calamity-addon-talk

[azure bane]

insanely bad fight

[fiery mango]

E V E R Y T H I N H

IS WRONG WITH INFERNUM POLTER

[azure bane]

not only does he lag the fuck out of your game

hge has like

2 attacks

and they're both insufferable

his desperation phase also goes on for like 30 seconds straight and is annoying

[fiery mango]

he spams the shit out of a brainless attack that extends the fight even more as well cause you cant hit him at all during it

[gloomy wedge]

Do you know why it’s so hard to make new elements in a lab

[fiery mango]

infernum has stinkers but polterghast is THE number 1 WORST

[gloomy wedge]

It’s because you gotta hit this reaaaaaaaally small target going really really really fast with another really really really small target going really really really fast

On an unrelated note, polterghast

[fiery mango]

its a fight that Does not respect your time and also the red orbs

that is all

[gloomy wedge]

I think infernum is very, polarizing in terms of quality

[obsidian vine]

okay i mean it seems valid

[gloomy wedge]

I think guardians, provi, and scal are some of the best bosses tmod has to offer

I’d change literally nothing about them

[obsidian vine]

2 attacks bein like he just dashes and spams red orbs yeah?

[gloomy wedge]

And then there’s polter, exos, and Yharon

[azure bane]

FUCK

first guardian phase

rest of the fight is good

[gloomy wedge]

I like it honestly

[azure bane]

but it is abysmal dog

until u kill healer

i would like it more if the defender wasnt hounding my ass every 5 second

s

[fiery mango]

hot take

scorching hot piping take chat

[azure bane]

i genuinely enjoyed astrageldon's circle beam phase more than guardian's

[fiery mango]

i don't like infernum Scal

[azure bane]

why

[obsidian vine]

i didn't like that i could only hit him when he was doing red orbs, and that red orbs chunked me at the same time
didn't lag my game but dog did and i had to get mods for that
i liked desperation phase

[azure bane]

i think the only beef i have with infernum scal is the fact that her theme comes nowhere near close to stained brutal calamity

[obsidian vine]

the final part of desperation phaes can go die, but other than that its a fine fight, i think i might like original bullet hell more

[fiery mango]

its hard to pinpoint exactly why with her i just kinda do not have fun with her

[fiery mango]

pinpinneon..............

[gloomy wedge]

I like scars of calamity honestly

[azure bane]

i think pinpin makes good music but it is

way too chiptuney

doesnt fit calamity imho

[gloomy wedge]

I think it flows better with the fight than sbc

[azure bane]

ehhhhhhhh

i do not

[fiery mango]

nnope

[azure bane]

i think sbc is far more emotionally charged

and that makes it better

i also just love dm dokuro

his singing is so good

[gloomy wedge]

I like sbc more but I prefer scars of calamity for the fight

You feel me

[azure bane]

it cannot be beaten

[fiery mango]

my biggest gripe with Infernum's OSt

is that it overuses the FUCK out of that one motif

Sky After Rain

[azure bane]

i couldnt get through scal without hearing the chorus of sbc

[fiery mango]

to the point it infests half the songs like a parasite and strips them of their uniqueness

[azure bane]

pinpin tried to be like toby fox

and it just turned out annoying

[fiery mango]

it would be less bad if the motif didn't play in its entirety every single time

[gloomy wedge]

True it should not be in like the boc theme lol

[fiery mango]

WoF theme i can get it but it goes on too long

and eidolon wyrm theme is like the worst offendor

[azure bane]

SIGNS OF SELF-DISAPPOINTMENT START INFILTRAATING

SYMPTOMS OF PARANOIA BEGIN INVADING

YOUR MENTAL FORTITUDE IS FAAADING

LOSING TRUST, ENDING FRIENDSHIP AND RAGE ESCALATING

ok im done

[gloomy wedge]

Anyways scal is really good on inf imo

Favorite boss in the mod

IF ONLY I DIDNT HAVE TO FIGHT FUCKING EXOS TOO

Inf ares is genuinely one of the worst bosses I’ve ever fought on tmod

And I played tremor

[heavy moat]

Just enable WoTM or smth when you get to the Exos iirc

[supple hearth]

just about anything even remotely ares specifically

everything else is fine for me

-# i had an attempt count up to quadruple digits on inf exos

[fiery mango]

exo mechs......,.,.,.,..

[supple hearth]

-# and i did not defeat them

[fiery mango]

if i had a nickel for every Potential Boss in Calamity i would have

how many bosses does calamity add

that many

[supple hearth]

26 fights

[azure bane]

i wishi could fight eternity death mechs without having souls mod

tbh

[supple hearth]

5 minibosses

[fiery mango]

do they Know.

[gloomy wedge]

Minus one because provi

[supple hearth]

there's uh

wrath of the machines it was called

[frank mauve]

it adds 3 bosses

[supple hearth]

[fiery mango]

Nameless Deity, Avatar of Emptiness and Mars

[heavy moat]

Dragonfolly, Old Duke, and Crabulon

[frank mauve]

✅

[fiery mango]

not the crabulon sneak

[supple hearth]

poltergeist is just plantera

uhh

[fiery mango]

yes

[frank mauve]

providence is wall of flesh

[supple hearth]

pbg is just queen bee but with nukes

[fiery mango]

yharon is Duke Fishron

calamitas clone is A fucking Joke

and uhhh

Dragonfolly is Mothron

[frank mauve]

slime god is mimic

[supple hearth]

every worm boss is just destroyer

[fiery mango]

my name-

[frank mauve]

calclones are twins

[gloomy wedge]

It’s weird that they cut every vanilla boss just for them

But ig the devs know best

[frank mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/unique-ai-terraria-terraria-calamity-gif-22727304

[supple hearth]

✅

calclone coulda been so much more i swear

[fiery mango]

calclone is the most Blatant cause she is SOOOOO outdated

[frank mauve]

can they make yharim have scal ai

[heavy moat]

Slightly bewildering how much of a turn perception of CalClone and the other infamous AI recycling cases took once Fabsol stopped owning the server

[fiery mango]

i never changed up i still despise CalClone

[supple hearth]

yea i heard the fight's how it is cause the sprite basically

[frank mauve]

no wait

i know

yharim needs eow ai

[fiery mango]

fuck

[frank mauve]

itll be so peak

[fiery mango]

we should make DoG but again and like
it splits in two

[heavy moat]

Make Yharim an abstract, horizontally mirrored giant rocky machine

[gloomy wedge]

Yharim needs Selenian AI

Mixed with Goblin Warlock

[fiery mango]

make yharim Diagonal

[gloomy wedge]

Actually? Here’s an idea

[heavy moat]

Aren't those both fighter AI

[gloomy wedge]

Give Yharim Duke Fishron AI

[frank mauve]

wait which boss has warlock ai

i remember one having warlock ai

[gloomy wedge]

None

[heavy moat]

ME

[orchid cloak]

What's the hardest infernum boss in your opinion

[frank mauve]

oh its you

[fiery mango]

the Warlock, Shinryu

[azure bane]

yo

[heavy moat]

Giant Clam

[azure bane]

infernum profaned guardians is lowkey pissing me off

[frank mauve]

its pmo

[azure bane]

i wanna fight whoever designed this

[frank mauve]

its pmo you

[orchid cloak]

Btw is 950 attempts on dog normal?

Infernum

[frank mauve]

yeah ig

[supple hearth]

yea

[fiery mango]

um

uh

[azure bane]

wait a minute.

[supple hearth]

i don't remember how much i had but that seems accurate

[frank mauve]

say yes

[orchid cloak]

I kinda jumped from revengance to infernum

[analog marsh]

am I trippin or inf dog is a joke compared to vanilla one if a player has brains (not about me)?

[supple hearth]

only complaint i have of inf dog is that phase 1 is three nanoseconds long

[frank mauve]

its like 20% health only

[fiery mango]

phase one is to fuck around

[heavy moat]

They should increase Infernum DoG's total HP

[supple hearth]

i wanted more of scourge of the universe 😔

[frank mauve]

use a worst weapon

[orchid cloak]

The hardest infernum bosses i fought so far were providence, polterghast and profaned guardians

[supple hearth]

yea that's the reason

[azure bane]

are you part of the reason profaned guardians are the way they are.

[heavy moat]

Nope

Infernum Guards are the one Infernum boss I didn't make

[supple hearth]

maybe i might

[frank mauve]

u can use stellar striker its just postml

[azure bane]

i can tell because there's twice as much BULLSHIT

grumble grumble

[frank mauve]

so u made everything but guards

[heavy moat]

Yeah

[fiery mango]

my turn

[frank mauve]

[fiery mango]

i will rework every calamity boss... and make the next Infernum....

[unkempt mesa]

are there any reliable way to find the temple or i can only count on my luck?

[frank mauve]

can u make every boss a worm

every boss with eow ai

[fiery mango]

perchance...

[supple hearth]

it's supposed to be found below the vernal pass if you know that

dig around the lower parts

[heavy moat]

And end up with tens of thousands of people cursing you for the inevitable mistakes!

[fiery mango]

[supple hearth]

[unkempt mesa]

time to grab my onyx key then

[frank mauve]

infernum!2

[supple hearth]

that's the spirit

[unkempt mesa]

annihilator of the environment

[fiery mango]

WE'RE MAKING A SEQUEL-

[azure bane]

it's ok lucille.. i forgive you for infernum yharon..

yo i dont think this is how rifts are supposed to work

[supple hearth]

i feel like making a tier list

[heavy moat]

We already have Infernum 2 it's called Fargos DLC

[frank mauve]

call it evil mod

[supple hearth]

of the inf bosses now

[azure bane]

(and old duke..)

[fiery mango]

evil mode......

[azure bane]

wait does infernum override the wotg old duke instakill

[heavy moat]

I didn't ask for forgiveness

[frank mauve]

wow u like old duke

[azure bane]

i dont

i hate old duke actually

[frank mauve]

u must LOVE old duke

[azure bane]

TAKE MY FORGIVENESS AND BE HAPPY

[frank mauve]

i can tell

[supple hearth]

[autumn bough]

what are these boosts

[azure bane]

purple haze

uhhh

idk and idk

LOL

[autumn bough]

lol idk what those are

[analog marsh]

rum and whiskey

[autumn bough]

true

[azure bane]

if i keep getting rocks thrown at me

by the defender

im gonna tweak

what are we doing terraria

glass cannon melee might actually be hell

let me switch things up

[frank mauve]

glass cannon tmelee

[lofty mist]

Just don’t get hit

[azure bane]

im not even tmelee 💔

idk why im struggling so hard with prof guardians on meele

i did this shit on summoner 0 issues

[frank mauve]

use plaguekeeper

[azure bane]

i do not have

i wish i was good enough at the game to use aote well

[frank mauve]

make it

use gilded proboscis for first phase

[unkempt mesa]

where the hell is the temple bruh 😭

[frank mauve]

left

the thingy u found

go under it

or above it i forgot

[azure bane]

why is my dps so bad

ts pmo

[frank mauve]

bad loadout

[supple hearth]

ok take this and kill me if you want

(infernum)

[azure bane]

my loadout is fine

im on amalgamated brain and bloody worm scarf + full solar loadout angel treads and the absorber

all menacing

[neon stag]

actual truth nuke

or just make his AI faster

[neon stag]

"my loadout is fine"

using the worst shit ever 💔 💔 💔

[azure bane]

me when im lying

have you like

read amalgamated brain or blood worm scarf

[neon stag]

[azure bane]

l ragebait

10% damage for free is not bad

[neon stag]

first of all your build sucks ass, 2nd of all your missing 2 accessories

and last but not least, menacing sucks post moonlord

its good for certain things, and melee pre provi is not one of em

[azure bane]

first of all no it doesnt

second of all what are you talking about

last of all menacing is only bad for profaned guardians

[neon stag]

[frank bluff]

idk it looks like star beam rye rum and purple haze

[neon stag]

why do I do 0 dps?!!?

explains

no bro!!! L ragebait!

[azure bane]

ur trolling

i have fire gauntlet if that's what you're referring to

[neon stag]

youre supposed to have 7 accessory slots post ml

twin

[frank mauve]

no ur trolling ngl

[neon stag]

typical calcordian

[frank mauve]

absorbers gonna carry with menacing trust

[neon stag]

actually just either inbred trolling on purpose

[azure bane]

????

i literally listed everything i had

[frank bluff]

crabulon is so bad that it didn't get rated at all

[neon stag]

this is 5 accessories

"I listed everything I had"

[azure bane]

can you count

like

i want you to look at this

and recount it

[neon stag]

why are we trying to bait people on calcord lol

[frank mauve]

angel treads postml in INF yeah its so over

[frank bluff]

it is 5

[neon stag]

stop wasting your time its bait

this is the clearest bait ever

[frank bluff]

8 if you count armors too

[azure bane]

why would i mention asgard's valor

[frank mauve]

i need more flighttime: "inf flight" its so over

[azure bane]

literally everyone runs it post ml

[neon stag]

just block em move forward

[azure bane]

i thought that'd be obvious

[frank mauve]

but i like interacting with bait

[azure bane]

do people still use high ruler actually

[neon stag]

bro u ARE the bait

[azure bane]

i lowkey forgot that shit existed

[frank bluff]

i haven't played melee in a long time so idk

[nimble wing]

this is very agreeable actually

[frank bluff]

imo drop bloody worm scarf

[neon stag]

does he know????

[azure bane]

me when i say bloody worm scarf and amalgamated are bad but the other guy is ragebaiting

[neon stag]

its only used for one boss post ml

[nimble wing]

maybe i should go throw a list together rn

[azure bane]

[frank mauve]

when u send that one pic THATS the real bait

[frank bluff]

@azure bane what mod are you playing rn

[neon stag]

what one pic bro

[azure bane]

infernum

[frank bluff]

ok let me have this

[neon stag]

theres like 1000 bait pictures I have downloaded

[frank bluff]

GET THE SEALOCKET

[neon stag]

the one with 50 accessory slots?

[frank mauve]

that dax joker gif

it pmo

[azure bane]

yo

[neon stag]

😭

[azure bane]

hm

actually yea i see it

[frank bluff]

free 2 dmg taken

+12% dmg

and pre ml

[neon stag]

sealocket is worse than the absorber btw

(both are ass for guardians)

[azure bane]

ok smart guy

what do you suggest i use then

give me a loadout

[frank bluff]

idk man

i just

say that for no reason

since people kept mentioning sealocket

[neon stag]

solar wings, asgards valor, fire gauntlet, worm tooth scarf, blood pact, charm of myths and then either like an amalgamated brain, deific amulet, ambrosial ampoule or destroyer emblem

use purple haze, ale and like moscow mule

corrupt effigy

[frank bluff]

yeah i completely forgot ampoule

[neon stag]

you can genuinely afk or play with ur feet and they just die

[frank bluff]

but goated af

[neon stag]

its decent for guardians cuz they do inflict a debuff

[frank bluff]

imo the best healing accesory

[azure bane]

telling me to use more defensive items when i said i was having a dps issue

[neon stag]

I think the commander has a burn effect, healer might have a dot too I dont really pay much attention to the details cuz guardians is piss easy

[azure bane]

[frank bluff]

max +5 hp/s

[neon stag]

more defensive = more risky plays = more damage

[frank bluff]

you don't need dps if you're struggling with survivability

that's the thing

[neon stag]

also go full warding if ur taking alot of hits

full lucky for damage

[frank bluff]

also what weapons are you using @azure bane

[neon stag]

hes gonna say ark of the elements

💯

[frank bluff]

😭

i haven't played melee in a while

so idk what to suggest

but all i can is get eye of Magnus

in my defense

[azure bane]

aote is fine

[neon stag]

well for like max dps output gilded proboscis + hide of astrum deus

[frank bluff]

marked for death

[azure bane]

i was going to try plague keeper and gilded

[supple hearth]

agreed

[azure bane]

for this next attempt tho

just cuz whynot

[neon stag]

its really not

[frank bluff]

idc what version it is

[neon stag]

its 90% the reason u have bad dps

[frank bluff]

BOTH IS ASS

I'll check Fargo's ver (if there is)

[supple hearth]

don't ask me why first fractal was a part of the template

it was just

there

[frank bluff]

[azure bane]

holy shit why r profaned guardians still so badly optimized

summoner made me forget how good lucky is but im realizing now

[supple hearth]

most of the bosses were enjoyable i had trouble with the top three tiers

[azure bane]

im genuinely dropping in frames so bad it's becoming hard to dodge

is terraria a cpu based game i forgot

[neon stag]

gpu based

do you have wotg on?

[azure bane]

yes

let me guess

rift causes lag

[neon stag]

yeah thats why ur lagging

[azure bane]

[neon stag]

wotg is like a lag machine

[azure bane]

why is this shit showing in the underworld anyways

that's not how space works

[neon stag]

probably the most known mod ever to cause perfomance issues

its so bad

[azure bane]

i only ever played pre rework

i didnt realize how bad the lag was now

it makes me sad to realize that most of the biome blade and ark lines suck ass

except for aotc and like

i guess aota

sometimes

i liked aota

[neon stag]

both fail in dps compared to every on tier melee

[azure bane]

it’s the swing speed man

let them have better swing speed

[neon stag]

The homing is nice, but it deals like pre plantera level DPS and the bosses its meant to be used for are mostly slow moving meat shields who dont need low dps full homing weapons

[nimble wing]

recent patches have helped enormously with that, or so i hear

[azure bane]

or up their numbers

[neon stag]

aota is like B tier imo

AotC is like C

[azure bane]

i like aotc :(

aote is beyond ass tho

im starting to realize

how bad this fuckign weapon is

[neon stag]

after doing ark of the cosmos crafting tree only, I got tired of the whole weapon line

[neon stag]

you have to parry with it every now and then for the extra dps, but it just makes you get hit most of the time cuz ur focusing on parrying not dodging

[azure bane]

the reworks are cool but the weapons are too gimmicky and not good enough

the risk and reward for both lines dont match

[neon stag]

the damage it deals is actually good if ur parrying everytime its off cooldown

but u can just use tmelee at that point

[azure bane]

the problem is the if

yea

[neon stag]

10x more damage output for the same risk

[azure bane]

I tried using aota vs eol but i eventually just gave up and used omniblade

Why is tmelee genuinely fucking absurd in calamity

[neon stag]

omblade is good, aota is surprise surprise fucking Mid for empress

[woven coyote]

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT

MY PLANTERRA SPAWNS

[neon stag]

it gets beefed up ALOT in damage, you can get a sub 60s kill on like 90% of the bosses in the game with tmelee on tier (ignoring some of the post ml bosses)

true melee falls of HARD post dog.

[azure bane]

The aotc line genuinely has to be one of the most disappointing crafting tree reworks in calamity

[neon stag]

its the worst class after dog

[spare summit]

Dragon rage makes it still good

[azure bane]

Is dragon pow considered tmelee i forgot

[neon stag]

good yes. still gets the slowest kill times post dog

[neon stag]

no

[azure bane]

sad

[neon stag]

dpow is stupid

60k+ dps on ares

[tepid root]

where are the times for kills and whatnot even like

[neon stag]

+20k more than nadir

[tepid root]

chronicled i guess

[azure bane]

i havent been grinding for flails

I might be cooked

I have ball o fugu and thats like it

[neon stag]

well this is a rought estimation, I havent done any testing lately, this is how I would class every rank post dog - post game:

1. Mage (jared drops are stoopid)
2. Summoner (best kill times)
3. Rogue (supernova drool)
4. Ranger
5. Melee
6. Tmelee/all the subclasses pretty much

[azure bane]

I need to do another summoner run i hunger to be disappointed by catalyst whips again

[neon stag]

you can swap mage and summoner, mage has lower killtimes iirc but the class is just nice to play overall and you can afford to take like one extra hit without dying (personal bias (?))

im also heavily biased into melee as im like THE melee main, I do NOT play any other classes

[azure bane]

I dont play melee

[tepid root]

im honestly suprised melee is that low

[neon stag]

melee sucks

[spare summit]

Halibut with bloodflare bullets should put Ranger higher imo

[azure bane]

In terms of playtime for me it goes like

1: summoner
2: ranger
3: melee
4: rogue
5: mage

[tepid root]

ptoton ripper does actually silly damage when calamitas stays still for like, a second

[azure bane]

i hate mage

[neon stag]

this is true

[azure bane]

ive played rogue once

melee like

4 times ever

[tepid root]

i love mage because eidolon worm is piss easy and illusioner's reverie makes the pain go away

[azure bane]

half my playthroughs are summoner

[neon stag]

im pretty sure cosmic discharge is just better, alteast thats what ive always been using

[frank bluff]

literally eye of Magnus carries mage

[tepid root]

i heard that but i tested it and photon ripper gets higher

[frank bluff]

+25 mana each hit drool

[neon stag]

ive never touched that weapon lol

support weapons are just mehh

[tepid root]

bit more annoying to use though

just gotta hold it real close

[frank bluff]

you should if you want to do mage

[neon stag]

ive played mage lol

[frank bluff]

heals by a bit and gives 25 mana each hit

[neon stag]

u dont need mana regen or healing

[spare summit]

Illusioner’s reverie + purity goes crazy, probably better kill times than even summoner

[neon stag]

support weapons are cope

[frank bluff]

and marked for desth

[frank bluff]

ok but

I don't use mana pot

mana pot* mb

[azure bane]

I LOVE SUMMONER

[neon stag]

as I said I have no recent tests on these, should probably wait for someone with actual killtime charts to come here with an opinion

[tepid root]

you use mana so slowly in endgame i see genuinely no reason not to

[neon stag]

less dmg

[tepid root]

eh

i feel like mana sickness barely takes an actual toll

[frank bluff]

also the reason that mage is #1 from post astrum deus is just

goddamnit gend fuck you

[neon stag]

lmao

glorious end into illusioners reverie

[frank bluff]

fuck

redo

fuck i forgot my script

[neon stag]

technically you would be using rogue armor so you would be multiclassing though

[tepid root]

what does deus have to do with gend?

[neon stag]

hide of astrum deus

lol

[tepid root]

i am very confused

doesn't it just boost tmelee damage?

and drop stars

[neon stag]

when you take damage you drop stars

glorious end makes you take damage

stealth armor boosts the acessorry damage by a lot

so you kinda get like sub 8s kill times on base cal polterghast

[frank bluff]

use it with hide of astrum deus and you'll see why

[tepid root]

that's insane lol

[tepid root]

i mean i know it makes you drop stars

i just didn't know said stars do that much damage

or how that involves mage

[neon stag]

well theres more to it than just glorious end, you need a minmaxxed setup

[neon stag]

magic dmg from gend

[tepid root]

oh right

the weapon itself is mage

okay makes sense

[neon stag]

yes

making me wanna play infernum rn

[tepid root]

is that a faster kill than fate's reveal on dog?

[neon stag]

im doing a 2 weapons only infernum challenge currently

[frank bluff]

note: you can even kill polterghast with that setup

[neon stag]

no fates reveal should be faster, although im pretty sure vitriolic viper is the best

[smoky dock]

holy crap are we talkong about the gender blende

[neon stag]

💔 💔 💔

[frank bluff]

?no

[tepid root]

really? Is there like a specific setup with it? Cuz I was getting way faster kills with fate's reveal

albeit, im not really the best at killing shit fast

[spare summit]

Just aiming it at the head
If you don’t wanna do that fate’s reveal is better

[neon stag]

coiling probably

should be faster

[tepid root]

i'll try it later

cuz i do like to be coilin n shit

[neon stag]

dog is piss easy anyways I just slapped on shit and he died

last time I killed him with lunar portal only

[tepid root]

tbh the only boss that still pissed me off is night providence (and ares last exomechs)

[spare summit]

Even Scal and exos take me under 5 attempts now usually but that fucker somehow takes me over 50 every time I don’t get it

[charred grail]

Attempted to run an infernum WotG getfixedboi world, world generation alone almost nuked my PC

[neon stag]

ares dsp is tuff

[neon stag]

yeah cuz infernum and GFB dont go together

[tepid root]

i really just cant be bothered to learn it

[neon stag]

scal makes me wanna hang myself

[nimble wing]

dont dot hat

[neon stag]

brimstone lesbian neg diffing me every single run

[spare summit]

I love infernum scal sm

[neon stag]

stupid clankers too

[nimble wing]

blame some other mod because you physically cannot make a gfb infernum world anyway

[neon stag]

I hate exo mechs

[spare summit]

Fem tech armor makes Scal especially fun

[charred grail]

Found that out the hard way lol

[nimble wing]

the master/seed enablers just remove the restrictions, they don't ensure compatibility

[spare summit]

Gem tech

Devs when are we getting fem tech armor

[tepid root]

i always feel like it's significantly worse

i like using it

cuz i like to swap weapons

but it just feels like auric tesla dps but squishy for me

[charred grail]

Off to go build random shit in a new world with dragonlens on then

[obsidian steeple]

the humble hook of dissonance

[spare summit]

Only if you lose ur gems
And you can use whatever the situation calls for
Like you’re able to 2hko sepulcher with supernova and then swap to reverie for the boss

[tepid root]

i feel evil using any astrageldon loot

[obsidian steeple]

I tried to manually dodge the spiral souls but just gave up and cheesed it

[tepid root]

i mean yeah that's what i do, but spulcher easy anyways on like half the classes

[spare summit]

I don’t think I’ve ever fought it without killing it instantly

[tepid root]

sometimes it takes a sec for me with mage, but i just run to the opposite side of the arena and dont get hit

then it dies to vortex quick enough

i haven't used summoner or ranger on infernum yet though

so maybe it's slower on them

[obsidian steeple]

currently I am doing ranger infernum mode, the dps feels kinda sustained and you got homing options most of the time (pretty sure mage too)

[tepid root]

i meant on spulcher

[obsidian steeple]

ohhhh

[spare summit]

Ranger has blood flare halibut which is quite strong

[obsidian steeple]

at the end of my revengeance run I just used voidragon

[spare summit]

That’s postgame tho

[obsidian steeple]

currently only at post polter on my ranger infernum

[tepid root]

kill primordial worm before yharon

i like doing that

[floral matrix]

I decided to start a new run. Since I didn't think legendary mode infernum would work, I thought "well I did corruption and crimson separately, why not do drunk seed"... Should I reconsider?

[neon stag]

drunk seed is super cool on infernum

definitely try it

[nimble wing]

does infernum even allow making a drunk world

[floral matrix]

Apparently so considering I did

[nimble wing]

without any addons or whatever?

[floral matrix]

(crimson and corruption are up my ass rn I'll never leave spawn)

[floral matrix]

I mean I didn't download anything to make infernum specifically compatible with drunk seed so

Even then it doesn't sound that hard to make compatible, Just has corruption and crimson in it

My only saving grace is I'm playing ranger so I know I could stand a chance

Even using calamity ranger expansion so that's always nice

[neon stag]

it also has a new dungeon

[floral matrix]

The dungeon under a tree right

[neon stag]

yes

[floral matrix]

Oh damn, the skeletron fight starts at a different y axis

Actually I'm pretty sure infernum drops a skeletron summon doesn't it

[neon stag]

luckily, skeletron is easy anyways

[obsidian steeple]

hope you find moon lord's legs in a chest

[neon stag]

yes

[floral matrix]

Idk man, it took me 64 deaths to beat desert scourage in my last playthrough

Don't overestimate me

[obsidian steeple]

infernum really is just patience and pattern recognition

[floral matrix]

(my last playthrough was masdeath summoner lol)

[obsidian steeple]

(download no gravesstones mod)

[neon stag]

it probably took me under 60 attempts to beat the latest infernum world I played

[azure bane]

@neon stag thoughts

[floral matrix]

Something tells me you're just good at the game

[neon stag]

its actually really fun to use but has very mid dps

its not even bad, ive used it for spears only

[azure bane]

hm

[neon stag]

theres just weapons that are 10x better

[azure bane]

what accessories should i use for prov

[neon stag]

same shit

[azure bane]

i feel like absorber would be good

[neon stag]

its very very mid

gets glazed for no reason

[azure bane]

this is what i used for guardians

ll prolly just

swap absorber for destroyer

idk

[neon stag]

its pretty good in basecal but gets negative value in infernum

[obsidian steeple]

static hook to dodge the "your disc was herniated by holy symbol" attack

[floral matrix]

I can't wait to play ranger! Surely I will win every fight :)

[neon stag]

literally just swap asgards and absorber for mythpact and it looks solid

[obsidian steeple]

"first try omg" ~typical youtube comment

[neon stag]

if you really want the kb immunity use that but swap asgards for statis belt

[azure bane]

bro

i do not like charm of myths

i dont get the hype

would i not be better off just

killing the thing

[neon stag]

charm of myths + blood pact is one of the best combos in the game

[obsidian steeple]

the 15 seconds might save your life but hey, providence deals 300+ damage easily

[neon stag]

its good all the way until yharon

post yharon theres way better stuff tho

its 10x better than absorber.

[obsidian steeple]

oohhhh I only used blood pact without the charm because of class set ups

good to know

[neon stag]

yeah no the synergy between them is insane cuz you get lower cooldown potions that are way stronger, and also just the max hp and regen are nice.

[azure bane]

dude

plague keeper is so good

but my gpu is screaming in agony

[neon stag]

the healing is just good

[tepid root]

is halibut better with purity or no

im testing it on scal rn

[neon stag]

I like halibut + bloodfire bullets with purity yeah

[tepid root]

and even with the soul artifact and all menacing it's slower than mage

[neon stag]

cuz mage is the best class for scal

[spare summit]

Halibut bloodflare shines on multitarget, try it on Thanatos

[neon stag]

also halibut + bloodfire is for the sustain, theres better combos for dps against single target enemies like Scal

[tepid root]

i mean i get that but i feel like soul artifact with a full damage build should be getting more dps than using no soul artifact with a few defensive accesories, no?

[winter widget]

Im currently pre-old duke, and im playing rogue, is there a better homing rogue weapon than the shattered sun that ya'll would recommend?

[tepid root]

such as?

[neon stag]

no lol

[neon stag]

try heavenly gale, also just halibut with god slayer slugs

[tepid root]

ima give god slayers a try first

[spare summit]

Stellar kunai stealth homes but does way less damage than profaned partisan or jaws of oblivion

[obsidian steeple]

hmmmm what about valediction from reaper shark since you just beat polter

[neon stag]

ranger is sadly mid for scal id probably even go as far as saying its on par with melee

[winter widget]

i have vale already

[neon stag]

they would share the 4th spot.

[winter widget]

hes too quick for the typhoons though

[tepid root]

i mean it's doing fine for me rn

better than melee was at least

[neon stag]

every class is fine for scal, some are just strong

[tepid root]

as in like

[neon stag]

compared to mage or summoner, ranger just lacks in dps

[tepid root]

it's like half an attack behind in getting to the next phase

[neon stag]

yeah melee is sadly not that great

[spare summit]

Exoblade has done great for me against scal, maybe I’m just shit at aiming

[neon stag]

exoblade is one of the best options, just has low dps compared to other classes

[obsidian steeple]

better to focus on dodging rather than putting some brain into aiming

[tepid root]

shiiiii i nearly had it that go

i've gotten a lot better at scal lol, i popped adren like 3 times there

[winter widget]

I kind of have menacing on all my accessories, would it help if i swapped them all to warding?

[spare summit]

Yes, by a lot

[azure bane]

almost first tried providence

im so used to bursting her down before the core phase

😭

[tepid root]

what's the best ranger weapon for the lil gribbo phase

[winter widget]

Im using these accessories, im going for mainly stealth strikes since they are doing alot better against DoG and old duke, is there some i should switch out?

[tepid root]

felt like that was taking longer than usual

[spare summit]

Uhh Photoviscerator I think

[neon stag]

What stage of the game are you at

[winter widget]

Pre-old duke

i've done tier 3 acid rain aside from beating old duke

[obsidian steeple]

very nicee

[winter widget]

Im using twisting thunder, jaws of oblivion and valediction

[neon stag]

Im sadly not a rogue player so this is out of my expertise I kind of just slapped on shit for dog.. definitely take off RTN, celestial tracers and sealocket. not sure what your third accessory slot is, no idea if its good

The main gimmick of old duke and dog is just learning how to ram dash.

[winter widget]

i have good ram dashing, the problem is all the ads during old duke

is celestial tracers not good?

[neon stag]

Theyre mid

[winter widget]

3 slot is providence ram dash

[spare summit]

Any kind of boots are bad post ml

[neon stag]

I meant the 4th slot

[neon stag]

Well this is not necessarily true

[winter widget]

oh fourth i needed to swap out for sure since im doing stealth strikes

[spare summit]

Vampiric talisman has better alternatives by now

[winter widget]

should i use moonstone crown?

[neon stag]

Celestial tracers are technically bis for guardians and provi if youre for example ranger

[spare summit]

Starboard clears

[neon stag]

Tracers have their niche use cases.

[neon stag]

you just dont need the deaccel or the hover

for guardians or provi

[winter widget]

so would elysian wings be a better alternative?

[neon stag]

Yes

[spare summit]

Elysian or starboard

[neon stag]

Definitely

[obsidian steeple]

I cleared polter yesterday so I should switch out the tracers for wings?

[winter widget]

im just worried about losing the movespeed

[neon stag]

Yes

[spare summit]

I use starboard until wings of rebirth but I’m weird

[neon stag]

Elysian wings are very fast aswell you will be fine

[winter widget]

is movespeed on the ground different than wing speed?

[obsidian steeple]

ahh so no boots at all right or do I use angel threads

[spare summit]

Yes

[neon stag]

I use celestial until i get silva wings

[neon stag]

None at all

[spare summit]

Are you post ml

If no then treads are fine

[obsidian steeple]

yep, post polterghast

[smoky dock]

yes'

[winter widget]

wait are elysian wings from hallow providence?

[obsidian steeple]

hook of dissonance life saver

[winter widget]

how do i get them in infernum?

[tepid root]

honestly the halibut bullets are distracting as shit lol

i can barely see her attacks

[neon stag]

Kill provi

[spare summit]

Drops both in hell

[smoky dock]

Providence always drops both Elysian Aegis and Elysian Wings

[winter widget]

any provi?

oh mine didnt drop the wings

[neon stag]

Not during night time

[smoky dock]

??

I don't believe you

[spare summit]

Yea she doesn’t

[neon stag]

she has a bug where she doesnt drop aegis during night time

[winter widget]

ill check my accessories chest

[spare summit]

I don’t even know if it’s a bug

You’re supposed to kill day version first

[obsidian steeple]

killing providence drops both the aegis and wings yeah

daytime*

[winter widget]

I found some

Im so slow now, should i just use mounts for getting around now?

[neon stag]

Wings are fine, do you have all of the movement related potions equipped?

[winter widget]

yes

[neon stag]

swiftness, bounding, soaring, weightless candle

[obsidian steeple]

weightless candle goated

[winter widget]

oh should i use weightless instead of regen candle?

[smoky dock]

all the candles are really well balanced imo

[neon stag]

Yes

[smoky dock]

any given candle is never wrong so

pick what you like the most

[spare summit]

Defense and flight I think are the best ones but all are good

[neon stag]

Defense and regen candles fall of in the end game

spite is the best post dog.

[obsidian steeple]

I should kill old duke before DoG or just go straight to DoG

most players say old duke is the worst boss so not sure

[spare summit]

The defense one is cracked with draedon’s heart and other defensive stuff

[obsidian steeple]

oh fr?

[neon stag]

I meant skipping to dog

Brain fart…

[obsidian steeple]

I am probably using halley's inferno for DoG

[smoky dock]

Not quite true actually

Regen kinda :/'s because Auric Tesla and Fearmonger are already INSANELY good regeneration

[winter widget]

would blunder booster be a better accessory than RTN?

[smoky dock]

yeah RTN is like, :/

[neon stag]

Keep in mind this is infernum we are talking about. I will correct my statement here: the candles are all good but spiteful easily clears the competition

[orchid cloak]

I fucking hate you infernum dog

[spare summit]

Only for spam rogue

[smoky dock]

Don't use RTN unless you know exactly what you're doing

[neon stag]

No

Not at all

[winter widget]

oh okay, im doing stealth

[smoky dock]

Respectfully disagree

Stealth rogue gets like, zero use out of RTN

[smoky dock]

This

[winter widget]

oh

[orchid cloak]

If i have around 1k atts on dog then i cant Imagine how many i would have on scal and exos😭

[winter widget]

what would a better replacement be then?

[spare summit]

Dog will probably take you more attempts especially on a first playthrough

[obsidian steeple]

thanatos will bite our butts again

[smoky dock]

Generic Defensive Accessory

[spare summit]

Easily my most hated infernum boss

[obsidian steeple]

[neon stag]

This is most likely just a build issue rather than skill issue

[obsidian steeple]

shiiit, this is my first playthrough on infernum too

[neon stag]

Any defensive

[orchid cloak]

I will send it tommorow if i remember

[obsidian steeple]

I got some practice on astrum deus (nah I am gonna get cooked later)

[spare summit]

Affliction

[neon stag]

no bro

[winter widget]

I forgot, does DoG always do 50% of your health with a head hit?

[neon stag]

No

[smoky dock]

No

DoG's head just has a very high base damage

[orchid cloak]

Lemurian pfp?

[neon stag]

Affliction is literally just a reskinned the community, they have way better options for a defensive accessory

[orchid cloak]

🗣️

[smoky dock]

🦎

[spare summit]

But with way better stat boosts

[obsidian steeple]

terraria amalgamation

[spare summit]

Also vampiric talisman is kinda doodoo caca especially at this point

[neon stag]

Affliction is pretty similar to the community at the post polter stage, with community having stronger offensive stats and only losing slightly in terms of the defensive capabilities, with slightly less DR (under 2%)

[orchid cloak]

Btw who do i fight first on infernum? Scal or exos

[neon stag]

I recommend exos

[spare summit]

Exos

[orchid cloak]

Alright

I fucking hate you dog

I cant progress

Since june

[neon stag]

I find him to be one of the easiest bosses in the game

[smoky dock]

I prefer fighting Scal first because enchantments my beloved

[neon stag]

I like fighting dog

[orchid cloak]

I started consistently reaching the final phase but i panic and die

[winter widget]

okay this is my current set up now, i also have those armors in my inventory incase i should swap to them

[orchid cloak]

I start shaking and breathing loudly

😭😭😭

[dusty cobalt]

lockin with omega blue

[neon stag]

Is this for dog?

[orchid cloak]

Maybe ill get the armor that Has a little defense but a lot of dmg and swap during the final phase

🤔🤔

[winter widget]

DoG or old duke, whichever would be a better option for me to do

[orchid cloak]

The sea one

[smoky dock]

old duke

[orchid cloak]

Forgot the name

[spare summit]

Fine for old Duke, get omega blue for dog

[winter widget]

I have omega blue and tarragon in my inventory, but omega is just flat out better for DoG?

[frank bluff]

-# but stealth

[spare summit]

Shit yeah forgot

[neon stag]

Yes

Tendrils op

[spare summit]

Stealth rogue and summoner get ripped off for dog

Can’t use omega blue

[neon stag]

You can

lol

[frank bluff]

but stealth

[winter widget]

i lose 1000 dmg on valediction if i use omega blue

[neon stag]

just spam

[frank bluff]

wild

[neon stag]

omegablue diddles dog ive done tendrils only dog

[winter widget]

so should i do twisting thunder spam instead of stealth along with omega blue?

[spare summit]

This
Also old reaper spam is better if you don’t care about stealth only

[frank bluff]

insane

[obsidian steeple]

can you still coil up dog? I tried to do it on aquatic scourge but he breaks out of coils easily

[spare summit]

But old reaper is a 10% drop from old duke

[frank bluff]

exos

imo never do scal first if you're doing infernum

[neon stag]

Yes

[unkempt mesa]

is stealth rogue really worth it?

[winter widget]

do the omega blue tendrils always deal dmg if they are in contact with DoG?

[neon stag]

Sometimes

[winter widget]

because im pretty okay at ram dashing thru him without taking dmg

[spare summit]

Don’t do scal first on infernum because you’ll have to finish with a garbage boss otherwise

[neon stag]

Pretty much yeah

[unkempt mesa]

spam has done wonders for me so far

[spare summit]

Depends on the weapon

[frank bluff]

still less garbage than crabulon

[winter widget]

so should i swap my accessories again or just stay with stealth?

[spare summit]

wtf did crabulon do

[frank bluff]

i hate crabulon for life

[obsidian steeple]

giant clam honest reaction

[spare summit]

Hardest prehardmode boss tbh

Giant clam I mean

[winter widget]

im gonna run DoG with what ive got, when should i use my armor buff to make the tendrils stronger?

oh also i should swap from menacing to warding reforges right?

[frank bluff]

nah i think crabulon is the worst boss of all time

you can't make up my mind

[spare summit]

Did crabulon fuck your wife or something

What happened lol

[frank bluff]

base calamity even infernum

i CAN'T enjoy it

[neon stag]

Asking for help here is going to get you pretty mixed answers as there seems to be nobody good at rogue online currently.

[neon stag]

Use full lucky for everything post moonlord

[winter widget]

Alright.

wait why full lucky?

[spare summit]

The moral of the story is don’t use rogue for dog

[neon stag]

Most damage value.

[winter widget]

oh

[spare summit]

Because menacing and stealth don’t mix well

[neon stag]

^

[winter widget]

is lucky just for perma criting?

[neon stag]

What I would do if I was you is either swap class to literally anything else so I can give you a good build, use your current (most likely) suboptimal gear and see if you win, or wait until tomorrow to see if anyone with rogue experience is online

[neon stag]

Well, not on every weapon

Some weapons you can make perma crit using a full lucky setup and some crit based accessories though. (Effectively 2x dmg)

[winter widget]

Ill try continuing with melee then

[scarlet shadow]

more or less trying to reach that, but usually not

[winter widget]

Im gonna swap all my stuff real quick

[frank bluff]

random bs hitbox

[scarlet shadow]

lucky is great for melee as well

[frank bluff]

infernum makes it worse

it reminds me of skeletron prime bs hitbox

[spare summit]

The worst part is building the arena, if you don’t do that then yeah I can understand
But if you have space to fight it I think it’s fine

[neon stag]

Does he even have a hitbox

[winter widget]

deaths acsension is a must have for DoG right?

[neon stag]

You can just afk and jerk off for the whole crab fight and he just dies

[spare summit]

Holy collider and Corinth prime are prob better

[neon stag]

Only really if youre coiling.

[neon stag]

Corinth prime is mid in infernum, and isnt even melee.

[spare summit]

I got sub minute with it

Just aim away from the boss

[neon stag]

Also in terms of raw dps, holy collider falls behind deaths ascension

[obsidian steeple]

how to use corinth prime if the DoG is so close to you

[spare summit]

Aim away from it

[neon stag]

In infernum?

[spare summit]

Yes

[neon stag]

does he know?

[spare summit]

And I had warding gear

[neon stag]

[winter widget]

Should i use multiple weapons throughout the fight or stick to one?

[spare summit]

I mean I know you can get crazy kill times with tmelee if you coil it

[winter widget]

And also if i use deaths acension should i right click or left click

[scarlet shadow]

Lion Heart is usually better

[spare summit]

But if you’re not coiling then tmelee isn’t that much better

[neon stag]

I like using 2 weapons, but you should try all the options and see what works best for you. For deaths ascension, if youre ramming right click if youre coiling left click

[neon stag]

For infernum dog, no

”Best” isnt actually best for a noob tho

[winter widget]

by coiling do you mean getting him to layer on top of himself?

[neon stag]

just use holy collider, its best when ramming and pretty damn good even when coiling

[winter widget]

Alright

[spare summit]

Getting it so it moves in a circle around you

[obsidian steeple]

spin him on you

[scarlet shadow]

make him circle around you like a snake in slitherio

[spare summit]

It’s been a decade since I heard that name

[scarlet shadow]

[winter widget]

What melee specific accessories would be good? i have 3 open slots

[neon stag]

Coiling is the act of manipulating dogs movement in a way where youre forcing him to circle around the player as he can never make a turn sharp enough to reach the player and kill it.

[spare summit]

Warbanner of the Sun
Fire gauntlet
The third thing (idk)

[scarlet shadow]

since when did basecal DoG became weaker to a true melee weapon than inf DoG

[neon stag]

Fire gauntlet and warbanner of the sun are pretty good. Badge of bravery is also strong

[scarlet shadow]

aka nsfn (not safe for noobs)

[neon stag]

What? All im saying is that deaths ascension is optimal for inf dog

And pretty much the best weapon for dog, sharing first place with stellar striker

[neon stag]

for p1 its very easy even for new players, but p2 requires very precise movements that are hard for new players to learn yes

[scarlet shadow]

so hoad with death's ascension.. am i missing something

[frank mauve]

is it really a precise movement tho

[spare summit]

P1 is free anyway

[scarlet shadow]

p1 is free either way so that makes sense

[neon stag]

Im just giving out options.. also told em to use the holy collider…

[scarlet shadow]

better to take account for the majority of the fight

[neon stag]

Anyways hoad is probably not even good anymore just use badge of bravery

[winter widget]

is the war banner a bag drop or a drop like the spear

[scarlet shadow]

which they'll likely end up considering as a must have

[neon stag]

A drop from commander

Like the spear

[winter widget]

im so cooked, i struggled so badly against them

[neon stag]

Warbanner isnt a requirement, just use a defensive instead

[winter widget]

what accesory should i use in its place until i get it?

okay

[neon stag]

👍

[leaden briar]

i cant find any Lumenyl can someone help

[neon stag]

Do you have an omniscience potion on?

[leaden briar]

the mobs listed in recipe browser arent even dripping it

[leaden briar]

uhhh which buff is that

[neon stag]

Are you post polterghast?

[scarlet shadow]

dig down to voidstone and wait for its shard to spawn on it

[leaden briar]

Yeah post scal

[obsidian steeple]

you can mine the long blue shards for lumenyl or kill some mobs for it

[scarlet shadow]

have you killed anahita yet

[winter widget]

everything reforged to lucky correct?

[neon stag]

Yes

[scarlet shadow]

yeah

[leaden briar]

u can mine it>

[neon stag]

Post anahita yes

[scarlet shadow]

[neon stag]

I think you can just fish it from crates too

[leaden briar]

let me see

[scarlet shadow]

the infernum lumenyl is obtainable even earlier

[winter widget]

i should use eldtritch soul artifact yes?

[leaden briar]

if i tp into the abyss would that make none drop

[neon stag]

No

[winter widget]

oh

[neon stag]

Its horrible

[scarlet shadow]

naw

[neon stag]

Id go as far as saying its one of the worst accessories in the game

[winter widget]

should i replace it for the badge of bravery?

[neon stag]

Yes

100%

[obsidian steeple]

I did polterghast with this gear yesterday (don't mind the affliction, it was quiver of nihility originally), so what should I change for DoG @neon stag

[scarlet shadow]

yeah

[leaden briar]

there is just no lumenyl lmao

i cant buy it either when i could before

i just killed avatar of emptiness if that changes anything? it shouldnt tho

[scarlet shadow]

consider switching blood pact to absorber if you arent gonna use omega blue armor

[winter widget]

What is the avatar of emptiness?

is it something i missed from the abyss?

[spare summit]

Wrath of the gods boss

[winter widget]

is that a calamity addon?

[frosty moat]

yeah

[winter widget]

Ah

Im guessing its harder than infernum?

[neon stag]

Omegablue armor, elysian wings, elysian aegis, Recon scope, Sniper scope, Amalgamated brain, Flesh totem with any optional accessory you want (Not absorber, deadshot brooch or dynamo stem cells)

And as for the weapon, I personally used superradiant slaughterer and got a decent killtime. Theres other options that will get a faster kill time like the haileys inferno

[leaden briar]

Its just bosses Infernum is a difficulty

[winter widget]

oh

[frank mauve]

like pristine fury

[spare summit]

Much easier actually

[obsidian steeple]

oh yup, I got the halley's inferno on slot 1 hotbar

[spare summit]

Wotg isn’t any harder than expert death

It just adds new stuff

[neon stag]

pristine fury is good when coiling, pretty sure the polterghast bow is just better when ramming

And haileys inferno^

[spare summit]

Very cool mod but you have to make a new world to use it

[obsidian steeple]

I'll go grind the omegablue armor and stuffs later, thanks