calamity-addon-talk

[smoky dock]

ah, I wish I knew what summoner was like in vanilla

Ah no worries!

[limber ridge]

ah

1.4.5 seems like summoner might finally be good

really the main issue is that summoner has huge gaps of just really sucking in vanilla

early prehardmode is straight up impossible almost
mid prehardmode is generally pretty solid
late prehardmode is hellish
early hardmode is hellish
mid-lategame hardmode is really strong

its really annoying that summoner doesn’t get good until 2/3 way through the game

[solar badger]

use cheat sheet

theres like a paste tool so u can just copy air onto the blocks where u places stuff

[solar badger]

early hardmode is not hellish for summoner

sanguine staff goated

prehardmode tho is not great

[limber ridge]

i thought sanguine staff was mid prehardmode

hardmode*

[solar badger]

u can get it before fighting any bosses

unless u count dread as one

[limber ridge]

like isn’t the only decent early hardmode staff the blade staff?

[solar badger]

the only other one yeah

blade staff and sanguine

ig spider is good for twins

but like the other two are better

[limber ridge]

only if you wanna place walls everywhere

[solar badger]

idk I dont use spider I didnt know they needed walls 😭

pretty sure pirate staff is ass

[limber ridge]

easy fix for prehardmode: early whip, slime staff recipe

[solar badger]

real

I just get the slime staff like every playthrough somehow 💀

[limber ridge]

its baffling that the slime stagf isn’t craftable

[solar badger]

even when im not going summoner

[solar badger]

should be pink gel or something

[limber ridge]

like i genuinely want to know what they were thinking when they added it to the game

[solar badger]

so its at least still kinda rare

[limber ridge]

ok but why does it need to be rare?

its awful

if you’re gonna make a weapon rare at least make it a good weapon

[small comet]

on blossom flux what is better left or rightclick

[solar badger]

idk

finch staff should drop from trees tho

since some worlds just dont even have living trees

[limber ridge]

yeah true

[dusky ingot]

Wdym? Summoner is the most cracked class easily in vanilla once you exit hardmode

[gloomy wedge]

kelvin catalyst would be best weapon for banished baron right

[gloomy wedge]

i'd say melee is better but

[dusky ingot]

Before that it's a bit difficult, but still not impossible difficulty

[gloomy wedge]

summoner's def very close

[solar badger]

melee is def better

[dusky ingot]

Melee is honestly overrated (unless we talking abt zenith)

[solar badger]

like melee is just a free win as soon as u get nights edge

[gloomy wedge]

im ignoring zenith because you cant use it anywhere

[solar badger]

like the rest of the game is entirely free

shadowflame knife till terra blade

then just use that and ggs

[gloomy wedge]

in pre-hm, melee gets stuff like volcano, blade of grass, starfury, enchanted sword, and nights edge

[solar badger]

literally only need two weapons for hardmode

[dusky ingot]

It might have a lot of defense and decent damage, but can't compare to the pure DPS of something like summoner or to the versatility of Ranger, or the sheer fun of Mage

[small comet]

dodge

[solar badger]

wdym versatility

ranger is just worse melee

mage is fun tho

but doesnt make it good

[gloomy wedge]

in hm, you get shadowflame knife, bananarangs, dao of pow, drippler crippler, true excalibur, terra blade, influx waver, and daybreak

[solar badger]

my fav class 🔥

[gloomy wedge]

plus the best defense and some absolutely STUPID armor sets like beetle shell

[solar badger]

beetle shell is crazy lol

[dusky ingot]

Not really, Ranger is very versatile, cause it's one of the few classes that can actually work well in multiplayer, and can also use practically any weapon safely to its full extent

[gloomy wedge]

ranger isnt versatile as much as it is very, very easy

[solar badger]

I dont play multiplayer tho

[dusky ingot]

If something feels good, I play better, it's that simple

[gloomy wedge]

you will always have a good ranged weapon available to you

[dusky ingot]

Fair

[solar badger]

its not better than melee tho, which is what were basing this off of. Otherwise id just say mage is the best class cause its my favourite

[limber ridge]

yeah but the means of obtaining most weapons is very obnoxious and again, actually getting to the point that it functions in a way thats fun makes it so awful to play imo

[solar badger]

its really good prehardmode

[dusky ingot]

But still, Ranger is decent at all stages of the game - not insane, but very stable

[smoky dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/893924166925955104/1268262256693612554/trueMeleeLocket.gif

[limber ridge]

true ogs remember when the megashark was probably the best weapon in the game

[gloomy wedge]

doesnt exist in vanilla

there are like 2 good true melee weapons

[solar badger]

true excalibur

and idk the other one

horsemans blade?

[gloomy wedge]

true excalibur and nights edge

[solar badger]

oh yeah

[gloomy wedge]

oh and volcano too so, 3 ig

[solar badger]

mb

[dusky ingot]

Okay, fair, maybe I am just including my bias because, again, something working in a fun way makes it feel better, and in turn, better gameplay

[dusky ingot]

Is that even true melee?

[solar badger]

yeah

its a true melee blade which only creates projectiles on hit

so it counts

[limber ridge]

im ngl

[solar badger]

like in calamity theres weapons like that

[dusky ingot]

Umm, I also wouldn't consider night's edge true melee since it realistically does have a projectile

[solar badger]

and its true melee in calamity pretty sure

[limber ridge]

i really wish true melee played more like horsemans blade or beekeeper

im fine with melee having projectiles but for the love of god at least make the class actually melee

[smoky dock]

like, everything’s a projectile

[solar badger]

cant remember if it is in calamity or not

but pretty sure nights edge is true melee

[smoky dock]

Spears (E.x. Gungnir, Swordfish) are projectiles too

[dusky ingot]

Yeah, but Night's edge has an additional projectile in addition to the sword

[smoky dock]

Shortswords are projectiles as of uhhhh… 1.4.4

The vibe’s still true melee

It’s true enough

[dusky ingot]

True

[smoky dock]

Do not pursue purity, for the only route to purity is to eliminate everything that defines the game as what it is.

[gloomy wedge]

tbf have you seen vanilla bosses

it is not fun to fight eol or fishron with a horsemans blade

even more true for stuff like moon lord and twins

[solar badger]

we need a ram dash in vanilla

[gloomy wedge]

speaking of fishron im gonna go do banished baron

[dusky ingot]

Ummm, isn't Solar Flare armor that?

Though it is post-game

[solar badger]

post ml 💀

[smoky dock]

shield of cthulhu lmao

[dusky ingot]

Though I might remember wrong

[solar badger]

so doesnt matter

im talking like asguards valor etc.

so not post ml lol

[smoky dock]

Yeah I know

[solar badger]

and shield is overrated

[smoky dock]

I wish rams existed too

SoC hurts me and I do not like it

[dusky ingot]

Well, they do have assets for it so maybe it's possible in 1.4.5

[solar badger]

its good for when u get it tho

[dusky ingot]

Unless 1.4.5 never releases and we actually get a 1.5

[solar badger]

since u prob dont have a full accessory loadout by then in vanilla#

[limber ridge]

also the classification for true melee is all over the place

i would argue that solar eruption is technically true melee

[dusky ingot]

Like what happened with 1.3.6 turning into 1.4

[limber ridge]

and that weapons busted

[solar badger]

not ones that are better than soc anyways

[dusky ingot]

I like it, it feels good

For sure

[solar badger]

just use hook instead 👍

save an accessory slot

if ur on console then ur cooked ig

idk on console it looks like a pain to use hooks

[smoky dock]

ultimately the only correct answer to ‘what is true melee?’ is that true melee is whatever you think has true melee vibes

[dusky ingot]

Sure, but most bosses I fight in the sky

Where hooks are kinda useless

[solar badger]

use platforms

[dusky ingot]

Too lazy to put a lot of platforms in vanilla

[solar badger]

only time u should use shield is with a mount

cause then its pretty good

I like using it with the unicorn/goat mount

or the hexxed branch

but by then u can get master ninja gear

[limber ridge]

true, again, i personally think solar eruption is true melee

but idk how many people agree with that

[smoky dock]

I do not agree

[solar badger]

I can see that ig

[smoky dock]

but that's kinda whatever, it's definitely better than like

fuckin oathblade

[solar badger]

terra blade is true melee trust

[limber ridge]

i mean its very long range but it doesn’t shoot random magic homing projectiles or whatever else bullshiy

[smoky dock]

yeah exactly

[limber ridge]

thats why i classify it as such

[dusky ingot]

Well, they're as much of a true melee as shadowflame knives

Or the Flying Sword

[limber ridge]

not really

[dusky ingot]

I wouldn't consider them TM, but

[limber ridge]

huge difference

[solar badger]

nah its more like chain guillotine

[smoky dock]

Debating what is and isn't true melee is just running in circles and expecting to get somewhere

[solar badger]

fr

[limber ridge]

i think most flails are true melee except stuff like flairon which specifically shoots EXTRA projectiles that also home

[solar badger]

flairon is quite obviously not true melee

[gloomy wedge]

wait rusted oxygen tank seems kinda fire

[solar badger]

or drippler crippler

[gloomy wedge]

its like a perma featherfall no

[smoky dock]

Weapon category is kinda moot considering every weapon category has OBVIOUSLY true melee and OBVIOUSLY fake melee

[solar badger]

but even then I dont think the other ones are true melee

[smoky dock]

except like, uhhh, flails/maces i guess

you know what i mean

[limber ridge]

spears are mainly true melee besides a few endgame ones

[solar badger]

north pole

[smoky dock]

more or less, yeah

uhhhh goldplume isn't

[gloomy wedge]

ig next fight is twins

[dusky ingot]

Well, honestly, Flails are as much TM as Yoyos

[smoky dock]

umm

[solar badger]

and daybreak although thats basically a ranger weapon

[gloomy wedge]

they should be the same as eternity twins right

for edeath

[solar badger]

same with shadowflame knife tbh

both ranger weapons

but melee

[limber ridge]

yeah im not sure why scourge and daybreak aren’t just ranged

[solar badger]

I love shadowflame knife tho

[limber ridge]

and shadowflame should be magic

[gloomy wedge]

because the solar eruption fucking sucks

[solar badger]

prob like top 5 non mage weapons for me

[smoky dock]

using Solar Eruption as if it's got range is a fool's errand

It gets better the closer you are, by like, a lot

[dusky ingot]

Then there'd be no point for Magic dagger, since these 2 would be basically the same

[solar badger]

its alright but u gotta get into the enemies ass cheeks to hit them compared to the daybreak

[smoky dock]

Don't tickle with the edge

[solar badger]

and daybreak does good damage anyways

[limber ridge]

youre right, but logically shadowflame knife makes no sense at all since magic dagger also exists

how the hell is shadowflame infinite?

magic dagger makes sense since its magiv

but at the same time

[smoky dock]

can we agree that weapon classification in this game is more or less arbitrary

[dusky ingot]

How come we can summon a Squid Deity infinitely?

[limber ridge]

terraria is a game where you fight floating eyeballs so idk why im trying ti make sense of it

[dusky ingot]

Yeah, end of conversation

[solar badger]

true

[smoky dock]

bone javelin versus sky maiden's retribution versus daybreak

[dusky ingot]

Obviously Zenith

[limber ridge]

scourge is still my favorite

most underrated weapon in the game

[solar badger]

not true

[dusky ingot]

Bloodtongue doe

[solar badger]

I honestly dunno though cause im not usually involved with terraria weapon discourse

[limber ridge]

it’s personally my favorite terraria weapon ever

[solar badger]

fair

[smoky dock]

mine is Gilded Proboscis

and that was before the rework announcement

[gloomy wedge]

i am consistently shocked at how absurdly broken bulky rogue is

[solar badger]

still waiting for the terradle (terraria wordle) to be rainbow rod one day

[smoky dock]

terraria user discovers fat strats are really, really good

[limber ridge]

thats a thing?

[solar badger]

you can just sit on some bosses in vanilla

like plantera for example

[dusky ingot]

Do I see Ursa Sergeant there? Or am I seeing it wrong?

[gloomy wedge]

i think mine would either be rainbow rod, hellborn, or aotc

[solar badger]

bruh

[gloomy wedge]

yeah, ursa sergeant

[solar badger]

just look up terradle

[smoky dock]

https://www.terradle.com/

[gloomy wedge]

this is hardcore so im pulling out all the stops for bulk

[solar badger]

me sending the link got deleted 🥀

[dusky ingot]

Fellow Ursa Sergeant enjoyer, less go

[solar badger]

fire picks

[gloomy wedge]

actually no exoblade over aotc

i think exoblade has a way more intuitive and fun gimmick

[solar badger]

I shouldve got todays one in two but I changed my mind last second 😭

[limber ridge]

why does everyone like rainbow rod, did calamity buff it or something?

its kinda lame in vanilla

[solar badger]

I like it in vanilla

[solar badger]

😭

its fun to use tho

[dusky ingot]

I love the Ichor spear Rogue weapon or whatever its name was (Or was it its upgrade)

[gloomy wedge]

it's just really fun

it's a simple and effective magic weapon

i esp love it with mythril enchant

[solar badger]

I love the other ones too

like magic missile

and flamelash

[dusky ingot]

Easy to use, big damage, homing

What more you want from a weapon

[smoky dock]

yibbee got it in five tries

[solar badger]

also its cool

[limber ridge]

enchant?

is that some calamity feature?

[solar badger]

I gotta wait 3 hours for next one

[solar badger]

fargo souls

[dusky ingot]

Fargo's souls feature

[limber ridge]

oh

[solar badger]

im doing a no armor legendary mode playthrough rn 💀

[dusky ingot]

Now do it with satanist mode

[solar badger]

well I should prob just go try beat old duke in infernum instead but I hate old duke

[solar badger]

no 💀

thats just legalised torture

[limber ridge]

im over here struggling to beat calamity on just expert </3

[solar badger]

gl

[dusky ingot]

I saw someone here once that tried doing gfb on satanist mode for fun

[solar badger]

but vanilla is lowkey boring in terms of difficulty outside of legendary

after playing calamity

and even then its pretty ez

[dusky ingot]

From what I remember he said he kept getting instakilled from the heat cause he spawned in hell or something like that, but he kept pushing

[fading dove]

satanist ex 🤤

[solar badger]

besides getting one shot by random enemies

[fading dove]

oh yeah sata change coming: get devi yourself

[solar badger]

which means it takes forever to go through caves and shit

[dusky ingot]

Vanilla isn't really supposed to be difficult I think

[fading dove]

no free gift for you

[solar badger]

it used to be for me 😭

legit hadnt beat expert till like 2 or 3 years ago

and ive been playing for like 10 years now

💀

[smoky dock]

as in like, you gotta beat her before she moves in?

[gloomy wedge]

meteor ench when i need it to land a fucking hit

[terse widget]

Flamelash my GOAT

[solar badger]

fr

[stray lily]

first time getting to desparation

i completely forgot feathers follow you and instantly died but

[limber ridge]

but anyway

im stuck on yharon

[dusky ingot]

gl

[limber ridge]

should i just make a new world so i dont get bored? i personally find mindlessly grinding bosses for hours to be boring so i kinda want something to do in between

[gloomy wedge]

good shit

[solar badger]

rn im doing like 5 different playthroughs

[calm dagger]

is 16,000 health regular for infernum BoC

[gloomy wedge]

one minor optimization i would make, nadir is better than exoblade for inf scal imo

[solar badger]

so I mean if u wanna do that go ahead

[gloomy wedge]

the dash is very risky on most of her attacks and nadir is stupid simple to use

[limber ridge]

5 is crazy work

[stray lily]

ill try using it during brothers

i fuc king suck at 3rd attack

[solar badger]

well I have legendary hardcore, infernum, legendary no armor and masochist mode

so 4

but like im only playing 2 atm

[gloomy wedge]

brothers is one of those things you just have to grind out

[terse widget]

The what?

[fading dove]

wall of flesh will be a roadblock

[solar badger]

I'm to scared to continue hardcore and masochist mode ill do after infernum

[fading dove]

oh wait those are different runs

masoleg wof is

[stray lily]

its 3rd attack genuinely bricks my brain

too much stuff

[olive wolf]

hey quick question about Wrath of the gods. Do i have to do something specific for the frostblessed seedling to do something? i just obtained it, the tooltip says it needs to be nurtured correctly but the wiki is basically empty

[fading dove]

incredibly difficult

[solar badger]

wait

[terse widget]

The shield dash?

[solar badger]

replied to wrong message

[fading dove]

let it grow

[gloomy wedge]

with no spoilers, you'll see

[solar badger]

yeah lol

[gloomy wedge]

wait until post moon lord and then you'll get more info

[olive wolf]

okie, thanks ^^

[fading dove]

masoleg golem is also a major roadblock

so is masoleg moon lord

and masoleg abom

and masoleg mutant

[gloomy wedge]

the main tip i would give is to not overcomplicate your movement during brothers

[fading dove]

masoleg ml is funny

[gloomy wedge]

the absolute best thing you can do is just stand still and occasionally move upwards a bit

[solar badger]

I might do masoleg at some point

[gloomy wedge]

panicking because of 50 billion projectiles on screen, while understandable, is the #1 way you die during that phase

[solar badger]

but I havent even done maso mode so not yet

[fading dove]

changes:
vanilla movement speed
true eyes do not automatically sync
iirc there's some other stuff too

oh right

[limber ridge]

bro is 10000x better than me

[fading dove]

wrong classes don't hit

[gloomy wedge]

exoblade right click

[solar badger]

idk about 10000x 😭

[gloomy wedge]

but im also not a fan of aegis on scal either

[solar badger]

I'm suck

[gloomy wedge]

i think your accessory slots are INSANELY valuable on that fight

[limber ridge]

im struggling to beat calamity expert

not even revengence

[gloomy wedge]

might as well send what i used to beat scal actually

[solar badger]

at least u didnt jump to rev master like me

125 attempts on exos

[stray lily]

I just wagched a no hit video and they did that lowk might’ve opened my 3rd the for the attack

[fading dove]

very bulky but yeah thats how you do inf scal

[gloomy wedge]

oh yeah big tip for the fight

illuminant coating on walls is incredible for visibility

esp for brothers

[stray lily]

My accessory’s r the same except I’m not using chal im using smtb else i forgot

[dusky ingot]

Why would you do that to yourself?

[gloomy wedge]

chalice is very important imo

[solar badger]

it was fun tho

not as fun as master death

which took me less time lol

[fading dove]

my preferred loadout is

who fucking gives a shit

go go gadget murder scal

[gloomy wedge]

i have no idea what that slot 6 is

but i'd def be dropping amalgamated brain

since you could just use amalgam

[fading dove]

badge of bravery

its

[fading dove]

not good at this stage

[stray lily]

i lost my odl char

so i just used what i rrememberd

[gloomy wedge]

oh you're using menacing

[stray lily]

i thought it was good

[gloomy wedge]

tip, dont do that

[dusky ingot]

Yeah, if I wanted to play something difficult I'd play either Master Death or Infernum, but for something to chill out just regular expert death, I feel like Master Rev is just a weird middleground where it's neither hard, nor easy and just feels weird to play

[fading dove]

this gets sub 3 minutes iirc

[stray lily]

oh yeah im using wrong brain

[gloomy wedge]

privileged ass summoner class

[solar badger]

it was hard for me tho cause I hadnt played calamity in years

[stray lily]

should i try blood chal instead of badge

that or soaring insignia

[fading dove]

errrrrrrmmmmmmmmm aschually thats hybrid mage melee summoner 🤓☝️

[gloomy wedge]

how about i fucking Kill You

[gloomy wedge]

yes

[stray lily]

also what happened to drew wings why r they changed

i was so confused

[gloomy wedge]

soaring insignia is not good for this fight

your flight time is not necessary

[fading dove]

drew got killed

[gloomy wedge]

because wings of rebirth look fucking awesome

[solar badger]

fr

[stray lily]

those who vanity

[solar badger]

best wings

[stray lily]

they look cool but jims r better

[solar badger]

in terms of looks

[gloomy wedge]

i wouldnt say the BEST wings

[stray lily]

fire wings

[gloomy wedge]

i think ghostar's are better

[fading dove]

also yharon dropping a palette swapped solar wings really didnt make sense

[dusky ingot]

Ye it is quite difficult, but I feel like not the difficulty you'd want when choosing a difficult mode

[stray lily]

idk i think i missed a big update alot changed

after i beat scal

i wanna do another playthrough

maybe masteer death doesnt suck balls now

[solar badger]

I wouldve got cooked trying to do master death as my first proper calamity playthrough tho

[gloomy wedge]

alr so next boss on the list is aquatic scourge but what if i did old ones army instead

[dusky ingot]

Fair

[solar badger]

like when I meant havent played in years like the last time I played I just got up to brimstone elemental

and that was on expert I think

mightve even been classic ngl 💀

[stray lily]

its just health inflation on half the bosses

and on the other half its cool

minus a few

ML and golem iirc

and sprime

worst bosses ever designed

[dusky ingot]

But I wouldn't even try something like Master without feeling comfortable in expert death, but that might just be me

[solar badger]

I like golem and sprimes fights

plantera on the other hand

[stray lily]

i forgot most htem icl

[solar badger]

not hard just its plantera

[stray lily]

i only remember moonlord sprime and golem

for bneing so dogshit

[solar badger]

and ceasless void is ass

[stray lily]

sadly infernum moonlord is so bad too

[solar badger]

in infernum its cool tho

but too easy

[dusky ingot]

Ceaseless void always be ass

[solar badger]

nuh uh

[gloomy wedge]

i really like inf moon lord

[stray lily]

inf ml was miserable

[gloomy wedge]

i feel like a lot of people hate on him but i think its a fantastic conclusion to hm

[fading dove]

i should do inf ml again

[solar badger]

inf moon lord is fun

[stray lily]

invisible projectile moment

[solar badger]

I didnt have that issue tho

[stray lily]

its a setting

i dont remember what

[dusky ingot]

I remembered it being fun, but when replaying infernum recently, it was indeed miserable

[stray lily]

its alot better if u dont have that issue

[solar badger]

did u have that greater dangersense potion or whatever

[stray lily]

no its a setting in calamity

mightve been performance mode

[fading dove]

oh yeah does greater dangersense even do anything after it was found out that infernum hunters green mode is indeed a real part of infernum

[dusky ingot]

I honestly kinda dislike that all bosses in infernum are just bullethells except for like DoG

[stray lily]

dog scares me

[dusky ingot]

It'd be nice to have some variety imo

[fading dove]

https://youtu.be/hWbDKeeJy0k

[solar badger]

old duke is a bullethell cause old duke IS the bullethell

[solar badger]

😭

watch me have 2k

2k attempts

[fading dove]

is that under a challenge ruleset

[solar badger]

after I beat old duke

in like 500 attempts

[dusky ingot]

I think mine took only like 470 attempts on my first infernum run, unless this is like infernum master for the worthy

[stray lily]

no

[solar badger]

getting to 1% everytime

[fading dove]

:(

[stray lily]

i got my get back eventually

dog shrooemd no hit

[dusky ingot]

DoG could honestly be named The Devourer of Frames in infernum

Alongside providence and exos

[fading dove]

i like how there's only 3 places left to rise from what i'm doing

[stray lily]

i didnt have fps issues on him

[dusky ingot]

These bosses so damn laggy

[stray lily]

only exos and polter

[dusky ingot]

Well, I did

[fading dove]

which is straight up just the three layers of shrooms

[stray lily]

i always find it weird that everyone has fps issues on different bosses

shrooms on dog

was easy

[fading dove]

triple shrooms

[solar badger]

I had very slight issues on polt and prov

[stray lily]

i lowk could do the fight blind folded

[solar badger]

like every 10 attempts theyd lag

[dusky ingot]

I dunno, maybe differences in modlists, hardware and weapons I'd assume

[stray lily]

for me half my lag came from magic storage

[fading dove]

keep in mind that this is also elysian aegis damage only and lava chicken broth

[dusky ingot]

Prov phase 2 literally used to crash my game

[solar badger]

😭

[fading dove]

i remember my old laptop bsod'd on inf prov

[solar badger]

years ago I used to play on a laptop

[stray lily]

im excited to try exos again without them obliterating my pc

[solar badger]

and it would crash when I tried to use the halibut cannon

[fading dove]

i really just clicked on steam because i forgot where obs was

[solar badger]

like I was just messing around with cheat sheet

and shot the halibut cannon and it just crashed

[dusky ingot]

I feel like we should get back Terra Shortsword

And make it work like back in the day when it sucked

But was fun atleast

And, most of all, funny

[terse widget]

Ah
I see

[terse widget]

Wait, are wings of rebirth out already?

[fading dove]

as of 1 june 2025 yeah

[frail plover]

they were part of the fab culling patch

[haughty sage]

Does anyone have any suggestiions on what the optimal summoner setup is for exo mechs are (infernum)

[fading dove]

1 kindle, 5 mirror, lilies, rest mechworm

[haughty sage]

this is insane becuase i legit just went to try this

like i was doing it as u sent that message LMFAO

[fading dove]

insane

[haughty sage]

do these look fine

[night fractal]

reaper tooth and community are a bit out of place

[fading dove]

wings of rebirth over seraph tracers

[night fractal]

replacing community with Profaned Soul Artifact would be wise

And Reaper Tooth I'd probably put The Sponge in

[fading dove]

for exos i'd suggest a shield slam

[haughty sage]

I am listening to you guys' wise advice. Thankyou. I am intaking.

[night fractal]

then yeah, a ram dash is probably worth using instead of void sash

[haughty sage]

Wait maybe i should mention im duoing with a rogue

[night fractal]

Asgardian Aegis would do that

[haughty sage]

idk if that

changes a thing

u guys are saying

[night fractal]

does not change what I'd recommend

[haughty sage]

Ok cool

[night fractal]

tbh

sometimes it might but not here

Sponge is too obscenely broken to pass up

[fading dove]

yeah there's not a ton of build variety around that stage

[night fractal]

well

there's some good options

fearmonger armor, building into Chalice + Absorber, etc

[haughty sage]

Why rings of rebirth > seraph btw?

because theres more flying in this fight

or

[night fractal]

they're faster with more flight time

in general running is slower than flying

it's often better to just fly slightly off the ground

[real nymph]

cam ypi get celestial onion in infernum

[night fractal]

Yes

[real nymph]

master

[night fractal]

No

Celestial Onion is always not available on master

Regardless of infernum

[real nymph]

true true

should i be using defensive accesories as a ranger in master infernum

i dont see it as useful but idk

im post ml rn

[night fractal]

Yes

You should always be using defensive accessories

end of story

[real nymph]

noooo my damage

[night fractal]

haha damage saturation when it

[lapis tusk]

You can't do damage if you're dead

[night fractal]

yeah building defensive can actually increase your damage

since now you can play more aggressively

[real nymph]

i just almagamated brain and dodge

i just dont feel like defense will ever amount to anything

[night fractal]

post ML you should definitely have The Absorber at minimum

[real nymph]

maybe..

defiled amulet is better trust

[night fractal]

well flat you, your feelings are incorrect

no it's really not

[fading dove]

cooldown depends on how much of your max health you would take

[night fractal]

Absorber is a stupid broken item

[real nymph]

ill make it 💔 thanks goat

[fading dove]

taking a dodge worth 30% of your max hp has a lower cooldown than 40%

[night fractal]

oh goodness stalker quiver 😅

Ain't stalker quiver worse than just using sniper scope

[real nymph]

no clue i just put it on

cuz clesetial tracers

[night fractal]

but personally I'd replace Stalker Quiver with The Absorber

[real nymph]

yeah thats what im doing

[obsidian vine]

why can't i mine astral ore with a stardust pick, infernum

[real nymph]

time to farm jellyfish

[real nymph]

kill astrum deus and ares

[obsidian vine]

i have 😭

[real nymph]

ruh rho

[night fractal]

and Destroyer Emblem with celestial shell probably

good all around item

[fading dove]

when you get to astral ore but its post exos apparently

maybe youve got boss checklist

[obsidian vine]

wait neither of them

[fading dove]

maybe it decided that you didn't kill bosses

[obsidian vine]

yeah i've got boss checklist

neither of them counted

[cedar laurel]

aureus is actually ares’s legs

[obsidian vine]

can i shimmer smth into astral

scoria can be shimmered into astral

ok

[real nymph]

do certain jellfish spawn in certain parts

[fading dove]

??????????

[obsidian vine]

wait i flipped it

sorry

[night fractal]

Yes

Mirage Jelly in the abyss drops all the jelly items though

[real nymph]

for some reason zerg just doesnt work 💔

[cedar laurel]

guys Is 10 armor pen at a cost of using only honey bottle for heal good w herring staff

[lapis tusk]

You can also get 3 jellies of the same color and cycle shimmer

[real nymph]

smart smart

[obsidian vine]

ok i beat them again and it counted

[fading dove]

shoutout accidental press of the windows key

[night fractal]

That's a lot of alcohol

[cedar laurel]

This is what fighting eternity mode moths look like

[brazen wasp]

is summoner still broken even in infernum?

[fading dove]

yeah

[scarlet forge]

am i missing something for Queen Bee, Deerclops or Skeletron

[fading dove]

bundle of balloons over skyline imo

[obsidian vine]

this good for infernum providence or should i replace something?
for weapons im using elemental axe, flowers of morality, and kaleidoscope
for sentry its sanctified spark

[scarlet forge]

wingslot

[steel pilot]

secret infernum dog tech

cover yourself with every alcohol possible and hope one of them kills him

[fading dove]

:(

[haughty sage]

how look now :P

[night fractal]

replace community with absorber

and then good

[fading dove]

lunar portal over spark for sentries
what does flowers of mortality do that elemental axe doesnt
absorber ofver either community or blood pact

[night fractal]

Looks solid

[scarlet forge]

holy shit
took down the queen

[obsidian vine]

i didn't want to farm the jelly stuff kek, i guess i'll get to it

[scarlet forge]

are bee strats good in calamity lmao

[night fractal]

As for sentry I'd recommend Rainbow Crystal for providence

flowers is not really worth using tbh but it's not bad

[real nymph]

is there a reason anhita doesnt spawn in my world

[obsidian vine]

hm, i found myself deal more dmg with the flower than without, but will test again

[night fractal]

flowers is like, roughly equivalent to elemental axes iirc

[fading dove]

rainbow crystal requires good positioning but lunar portal deals only slightly less damage for being super easy to just place down

[night fractal]

but I'm not certain

[night fractal]

in basecal rainbow Crystal does significantly more

like 30 seconds faster in testing

[fading dove]

oh damn

nvm then

rainbow crystals when they go absurd

[night fractal]

Specifically for provi because of her size

the crystals actually hit

[opal lotus]

is there a item to breath in abyss?

[ember escarp]

I think u can switch ambrosia for papyrus scarab if going offensive

[night fractal]

you could yes but ampoule is absolutely worth using

very good item

It would be better to replace Blood Pact instead of Ampoule

[ember escarp]

Never tried defensive accessories during hard mode

[real nymph]

digXx gets it

[ember escarp]

Was always offensive😭

[night fractal]

defensive accessories are super strong

defense in general is super strong

warding is meta for a reason

[scarlet forge]

are bee strats bad or do i just suck

[real nymph]

is warding meta

[night fractal]

Yes

Absolutely

[real nymph]

im too old head for allat

[night fractal]

warding is so crazy strong in calamity rn

[ember escarp]

I thought warding was meta only in pre hard mode?

[night fractal]

no lol

[real nymph]

ive never heard someone say warding is good

[night fractal]

you haven't been here very long then

[real nymph]

i havent

i used to play

wayyyy back in the day

[night fractal]

warding is also like

arguably meta in vanilla the whole game too

and calamity buffs it a lot

[real nymph]

why is it so good

isnt it better to just not get hit and kill boss fast

[night fractal]

well if you want a full explanation

https://youtu.be/VdNATCHC-4M?si=pKLqqz-k2fSpLwYJ

this is a good video

the TLDR is defense becomes MORE powerful the more you have of it

Damage % becomes less powerful the more you have of it

[ember escarp]

I'll try it in my melee play through

[scarlet forge]

do you not use bee bow and bee nades in infernum mode because i just grinded for it and it feels like it sucks

[night fractal]

Do you have hive pack

[real nymph]

if only ??? would spawn for me to get my community

[night fractal]

community sucks anyway

[real nymph]

period

[night fractal]

its decent from post provi to post polter

[real nymph]

well

[night fractal]

but that's about it

[real nymph]

im post ml

so thats lowkey where i am

[night fractal]

It's not worth it at all until post provi

Even post provi its just an option, not necessarily meta

it's only meta post SCal because of shattered community

[real nymph]

how enlightening

when will the camper be meta

[night fractal]

never

[real nymph]

camper my beloved

[night fractal]

(when the dedicatee asks to rework it)

[real nymph]

nooo its perfect as it is

[scarlet forge]

yeah

[obsidian vine]

i was using a way more offensive build but its not giving me that much more dmg while this gives me way more survivability

[night fractal]

yeah

especially for summoner they have such high damage % saturation

[scarlet forge]

skeletron is unneccesarily powerful

[real nymph]

big larp

skeletron easiest boss in 2025

[ember escarp]

In infernum? Or overall?

[scarlet forge]

infernum

[real nymph]

i dont stand for skeletron infernum slander

[ember escarp]

Its easy to learn his attacks tbh

[real nymph]

very

heh as like 4 attacks max

ngl i would date clockwork bow

[ember escarp]

The only issue i had that he was spreading homing heads in his phase 2 or 3

[real nymph]

kid named big circles

[scarlet forge]

they're all like impossible to dodge

[real nymph]

are they

[ember escarp]

Try defeating him in defensive way

[real nymph]

which attack cant you dodge

[scarlet forge]

?

[scarlet forge]

i genuinely can't dodge any attack he has without getting hit a bunch

[real nymph]

just get a comfortable pattern for all of them spend runs focusing on learning not beating boss

[ember escarp]

Are u struggling at skull geyser?

https://infernummod.wiki.gg/wiki/Skeletron#Phase_2-0

Or watch infernum skeletron guide in YouTube

[scarlet forge]

did infernum nerf slime god to shit?

i just spent like a hundred attempts on skeletron and then beat slime god first try

[ember escarp]

Maybe u adapted to slime god better than skeletron

Slime god is predictable pretty much

[signal venture]

what is the bad thing about calamity overhaul with inferum?

[opal lotus]

yo

for

supreme witch calamitas

shouldi use auric

or

the gem one

im summoner

[ember escarp]

With infernum its mixed

For example, destroyer is unkillable

Skeleton prime aswell

[signal venture]

ahhh

Any building mods ppl can suggest?

[ember escarp]

.

[scarlet forge]

alright, onwards to the wall!

[opal lotus]

is this good?

[scarlet forge]

and wall down in two attempts with no arena.

[haughty sage]

is there a reason the mars fight is unbearably boring

[real nymph]

mars?

like the bars?

[woven rune]

it genuinely feels unbalanced even with defense damage being a thing

full warding builds with a few survivability boosts (regen/defense candle, auto-dodges, etc) make you feel unkillable

[haughty sage]

wog boss

[real nymph]

full warding infernum master mulitplayer with def accesories and i definitely die to profaned guardians

[haughty sage]

because i was doing it wrong

got it

[night fractal]

Well yeah, defense damage doesn't really nerf defense except when you facetank

[woven rune]

only thing that you have to worry about is DoT honestly

but there are so many things that mitigate the lethality of DoT

[ashen pier]

i love true melee

[fluid flax]

what....

[naive rapids]

How tf am I suppose to do the infernum mode providence grid attack if explosions are flashbanging my entire screen

[frail plover]

go up to her

and i think the very far left wall works but idk

[woven rune]

Personally I like flying right on top of her

Safe from all the explosions and all you gotta do is avoid the obviously telegraphed attacks

[dusk fable]

Hey guys, whats the go to reforge for a rogue playthrough (going through infernum). I understand there is the Silent modifeir but is that best in all stages of the game. If not, is lucky or menancing worth? Or is it best to go warding

[cedar laurel]

Warding the best

[dusk fable]

Not worth getting anything else?

[cedar laurel]

lucky+silent are kinda fine

[soft haven]

right when i loaded into my world with this

why does wotg do this

[sour blade]

Im not tech savvy but I feel like noxus is too flashy

Like it requires a BEEFY pc

[thin canyon]

far left

[thin canyon]

💔

[thin canyon]

skeletron basically the opening of the bullet hell

slime god aren't that hard

predictable and can cheese some parts

[tight fog]

slime god is made out of wet paper towels they die in less than 2 minutes with the right gear

[soft haven]

ive beaten wotg once already though

did my pc performance get worse maybe

[thin canyon]

Solyn beam and circle + M1 M2

that's the entire fight-

[balmy mason]

There was a discussion about that in #suggestions-discussion a month ago

I think they don't mind if it gets changed the item is useless

If you wanna be sure just ask him again I guess

Doze's Camper rework when?

[vestal otter]

hey does anyone have information about playing infernum mode with friends? is the mod still broken or has there been patches to fix it

[grizzled garden]

I played Infernum with a few friends a while back ago, it’s a little buggy, you can’t go into other worlds like the sand sharks realm with friends but if you download the multiplayer patch it makes a lot of the game better at the least

You guys probably won’t be able to fight sand shark together so I’d say just fight it separately but you both fight it

[thin canyon]

auric

you still can use gemtech but you will waste alot of potential when using 1 class only

[barren zephyr]

seraph tracers or silva wings

[thin canyon]

what boss

[barren zephyr]

scal

[thin canyon]

wing

[barren zephyr]

👍

[lean grove]

I was gonna ask why the perforaters were so easy

But they are currently whooping me

[thin canyon]

lmao

gg yharon

hell

[fiery mango]

World: Ass(Range)

[thin canyon]

first try of today

[thin canyon]

Yes

first 3 are infer
last is vanilla

[plush patio]

@real rivet just to let you know that WOTG doesnt really work in multiplayer yet

[smoky dock]

It works just fine, or at least as well as multiplayer will ever get

[ashen pier]

in my infernum summoner run my provi fight was 2 minutes long i didn't even know there's a crystal phase 💔

all menacing + everclear is very funny

[obsidian pine]

ever heard of warding

if your dying get better at dodging or just get warding

[graceful wind]

Is master death mode harder than infernum?

[lapis tusk]

Not in a fun way

[lean grove]

Perforaters sucks

Perforaters sucks

That stupid little second worm attack

Why does he spit out bombs that are so annoying

[dreamy tide]

anyone got tips for inf polter

[lapis tusk]

Lure him to the surface

[dreamy tide]

without cheesing him

what summons do the most dps to him

[fiery mango]

No rlly just cheese him

It doesn’t even help much

That boss doesn’t deserve to be fought legit

[dreamy tide]

i dont even do enough damage

or surive long enough

survive

[dusk fable]

In infernum mode, eternity-death. Whats the best weapons for Rogue to beat WoF?

[spare summit]

Glaive (spam)
Slick cane (stealth)
Metal monstrosity is also good but I’ve never used it

[dusk fable]

Thank you

[dreamy tide]

someone give me a good build for infernum polter

im summoner

[spare summit]

Warding fat strat with terratomere I got hit 30+ times and beat it first try

Oh summoner, rip

[dreamy tide]

i hate this fight with a passion

[graceful wind]

I used shinobi blade stealth, does tons of dmg

Every stealth took like a 3rd of the eyes health if i hit

[spare summit]

Shinobi blade is good but the others are truly broken

[dusk fable]

What is truly broken?

[spare summit]

Someone used slick cane for dragonfolly

And it outperformed on tier weapons

[graceful wind]

Yea i wouldve used tbh

Is cane good for calamitas clone? Im using kelving rn

[spare summit]

Nah keep kelvin

It’s also really good

I like the homing for that fight

[dreamy tide]

so do i just uninstall the game since im summoner against polter or sum

[spare summit]

I wish I had advice tbh
Send loadout?

[dreamy tide]

hold up

i closed the game

[spare summit]

Swap hallowed rune for profaned soul artifact
I prefer using the starboard because of hover and ascend but whatever works better for you
Get king of constellations and use snake eyes in the remaining slots as your minions
Maybe consider swapping out blood pact for absorber or ambrosial ampoule or deific amulet

Oh and get eye of magnus for the debuff

[surreal delta]

is there a mod with only noxus

i know wotg had him but he was changed to AoE

[dim aurora]

will using summoner for infernum just let me skip attacks with the op damage and ruin the experience?

weird question but bear with me

[surreal delta]

yea

from a personal experience

[dim aurora]

alright

thanks

[surreal delta]

although if ur not good at dodging then its a different story

but nonetheless summoner op

[dim aurora]

kinda the case with all classes

except ur not cheating by using summoner

u wouldnt have to worry about damage if it was balanced

[surreal delta]

summoners idea is that the damage is high while having low defense most of the time

some people like glass cannons some dont

[surreal delta]

yes but in some cases (depending on the armor) any other class can tank way more shots than summoner

which doesnt sound like a big deal but it is

[dim aurora]

the defense doesnt even seem that low

[dim aurora]

i mean aiming

summons do it for you

i decided to go with melee first playthrough

[surreal delta]

good choice

[surreal delta]

you'll see the difference at some point

[wicked creek]

Except warding exists, and summoner has access to some of the tankiest armors in the game (squire, Valhalla, fearmonger)

[surreal delta]

in the early game it wont be a huge issue since you'll kill the bosses fast

[dim aurora]

full warding

[surreal delta]

i know, i used full ward in my last playthrough

[dim aurora]

i can actually use true melee weapons for some bosses

to do better

ark of the cosmos crafting tree is what does it for me on melee

the weapons are unique

[wicked creek]

I'm early game on melee still and yeah there's quite a bit unique weapons

Old lord claymore, broken biome blade, the urchin mace

[dim aurora]

i was deciding between melee and rogue

still not entirely sure

[surreal delta]

its because the devs reaaaally like melee

and because its obviously the most popular class

both vanilla and calamity

[dim aurora]

vanilla too

enter the pool meme with melee being held and summoner at the rock bottom

[surreal delta]

real

[dim aurora]

man just put the new whips in the 1.4.5 already

[surreal delta]

i wonder how they will balance out the endgame whips

if they add any

[wicked creek]

For base terraria? They probably won't lmao

[surreal delta]

i thought so

[dim aurora]

watch summoner become as broken in vanilla as calamity

im sure they've got enough balancers for that

[wicked creek]

It kind of already is

Well, the later parts of the game I mean

The dps on it is really high

With whip stacking and stuff

[surreal delta]

argh

[dim aurora]

8k pre ml dps

prehm is buns though

same as mage

[surreal delta]

mage is the most boring class

[wicked creek]

Hard disagree

[dim aurora]

ranger

100%

[snow nymph]

anahita makes my summons dissapear

[thin canyon]

she ate them

[raven vapor]

how does one survive the masochist mutant desp phase

[snow nymph]

the moment levi spawns all my summons just dissappear

[surreal delta]

oh definitely in calamity

i was assuming you were talking about vanilla only

[queen isle]

stay away from the world border

[dim aurora]

well i still consider mage more fun

in vanilla

[snow nymph]

ok ty

[queen isle]

they despawn if they go out of bounds

[raven vapor]

what causes this death message?

[lapis tusk]

Community remix

It has noxus for some reason

[raven vapor]

not only noxus tho

also includes 18736 cryogen clones

[fluid flax]

fanny!!

[fluid flax]

estrogen !!

[raven vapor]

yaaaaayyy

my favourite -gen boss frfr

[real cipher]

how tf do you leave ares as a final kill

[wicked creek]

Probably fight it first, focus on twins in the second phase, keep on them until they die, then rush killing Thanatos?

[real cipher]

i try but when ares does like the laser 360 spin my summon just focuse and target ares

[elder nebula]

yeah ares is ridiculously hard to not just accidentally fucking obliterate with any half decent weapon

[real cipher]

i cant i did it again ares just died

[humble marlin]

switch classes if you have tl

[real cipher]

what class

would be the best

[surreal delta]

bro💔 💔 💔

[surreal delta]

probably ranger

idk honestly

[lapis tusk]

It's the best mod on the internet

[surreal delta]

so true

anyways

if i have infernum enabled but i play literally any other sifficulty does it fuck up my world gen

[lapis tusk]

Especially the abyss

It's there but not functional

[surreal delta]

so my best bet would be to disable it from workshop

if i wanted to play something like eternity death mode

[queen isle]

yeah, do not have the infernum mod enabled unless you're playing on infernum mode

[elder nebula]

i mean, you technically can but abyss enemies won't spawn

[narrow horizon]

Oh no

Anyway

[dusky ingot]

Yes

[dusky ingot]

Well, technically, you could just go into the Abyss, enable infernum, and disable it when the enemy you want spawns, but that's a lot of work compared to normal

[surreal delta]

W mod optimization

[thin canyon]

bro

since when wrath of the machines twin just absolutely painful to fight

they just melt me in 10s

[thin canyon]

so

i forgot to wear the armor

there goes wotm infer

2 tries

[next canyon]

how do i make it so infernum just doesnt break the abyss while making world gen

do i just use medium instead of large

[limber sage]

you can't

unless you can make a 'patch' mod yourself, or rewrite the mod yourself

[next canyon]

so do i just go medium

[limber sage]

size of world won't change the abyss breaking with infernum generation. but the size of world you play is your choice. I always go large for reasons I don't even know

[next canyon]

you think its a good idea to use a mod that sees world gen and see if abyss isnt broken

[limber sage]

the abyss will break no matter what, because infernum generated abyss will not let things like eidolon wyrms, reaper sharks, or squids spawn because they require infernum to be enabled to even spawn with infernum generation

[next canyon]

well i have infernum on

[limber sage]

the difficulty?

[next canyon]

expert

[limber sage]

calamity has seperate difficulties

revengeance and death

infernum adds it's own, Infernum

they are only able to be toggled on in the world

so unless you plan on playing with the infernum difficulty toggled on, it's best to not have infernum installed

[next canyon]

yeah im trying to play infernum

[limber sage]

then your abyss won't break

[next canyon]

👍

thanks

[limber sage]

sorry, a lot of ppl want the infernum stuff without the difficulty so

I just assumed

[next canyon]

nah all good

[dawn abyss]

doess infernum not work on latest version calamity?

[limber sage]

it does

[dawn abyss]

it tells me that infernum mode doesnt work with my version of calamity

[uncut ocean]

i somehow beat Slime God before skeletron o_o

but hey now i have statigel armour!

[dusky ingot]

Yeah, Slime God tends to be a joke

[uncut ocean]

he was absolutely not a joke for me

[dusky ingot]

Well, considering you beat him pre-skeletron, he kinda was

[uncut ocean]

i mean in the first phase it got you into a consistent rhythm but i found the last phase to be a nightmare

had to buff up my defence considerably to survive

[dusky ingot]

Tanky builds are usually the way to beat most bosses easily

[limber sage]

the 100+ defense preboss build can carry until hardmode

[dusky ingot]

People underrate defense because of how easy vanilla is, so there's no point not going menacing there, since the bosses will just die faster and won't kill you anyways

[limber sage]

which is funny

[uncut ocean]

the what

[dusky ingot]

I think I used to be a mage that had like 180 defense against moonlord and demolished him

Tanky mage the goat

[limber sage]

the only boss it won't quite work against honestly is like

queen bee and WoF iirc

you'll lose some defense