Battlegroup 14 - 212th Logi: Comms

[grand sun]

Same or similar would be my recommendation. We’re trying to avoid getting focused while also getting as close to Field Nav 1 as possible.

Shovels will be taking the same/similar path as the red arrow I drew out.

[peak terrace]

Aight then Ill do the same, still need to learn how to play this tbh

[grand sun]

No worries!! Most rounds have a bit more time for orders, but I was late starting the poll.

Starting this round we’ll be doing 2 a week so things should get more into a routine.

LAFLOL231’s been pinged a couple times today…I’ll wait till closer to ping em.

[grand sun]

Just post it in #1387899686135791756 using the template. It’ll get to feel natural quickly.

[surreal canyon]

Let's fly!

[chilly iris]

Gonna post my order, ping me if you need me to change it

@peak terrace Make sure your order has your callsign and not AutoDave’s

[ebon river]

…does Puffin have mech-sized seatbelts?

[violet sparrow]

@grand sun it just suddenly occurred to me.
We don't use Order Types as a description for the main action the unit is doing (Advance, Evasive, Heal, etc.)
We call them *Primary Actions now. Likely will have to change that to help avoid confusion for newer players

[peak terrace]

whoops lmao

[chilly iris]

You have to delete and resubmit the order

[keen vault]

order should be in

[chilly iris]

Maybe…

[violet sparrow]

Disregard this. I was wrong lol. Just misremembering some changes

[grand sun]

lol, don’t scare me like that. Do you know how hard I worked to copy/paste from Shovel’s? 😜

[hidden scaffold]

That copied from Shack (well except the extra text)

[gusty aurora]

thank you

[grand sun]

Welcome! But I need you to copy/paste it back in. I’m not allowed to process orders with the “edited” tag

[gusty aurora]

good now sorry about that

[grand sun]

No worries!! It’s really easy not to think about it and just do a quick tweak right after it’s sent. Just one of the rules TCOs have to follow.

[gusty aurora]

still thanks for the catch

[deep narwhal]

*Note: As TCO, you have discretion to interpret orders so that they make sense - most of STORM R1 was just "Follow in Formation", and the TCO used a vote to determine where we would go.

A legal order? Technically yes. Would it be helpful if they included more details? Most definitely.

If you see an orbital, you target the orbital - orbitals are number one priority and can be focus fired.

[grand sun]

@versed locust we’re getting on the map! All HATs are cleared for launch, and it looks like you’ll be flying empty to start…but I need your Orders. (Due <t:1751234347:R>)

Reply w/ping to this if you come in late. We rushed this turn, so I’m giving a little wiggle room.

[grand sun]

True…but at the time I wasn’t sure if we’d have multiple formations cause their original order was the first one in.

[gusty aurora]

ha just realized I moved in a way better spot than I thought it I did we got the hats covered

[grand sun]

You intending to follow us?
(Just so I know how to place you in the formation)
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We’ll be helping to transport a shovel. Seems they’re just shy on seats since their VTOL might be MIA

[gusty aurora]

yeah I'm in the same square covering there 6 which works perfect

[hasty garden]

Yeah, I was having a hard time with map precision due to it being late, and me being in bed, typing on my phone, with a broken arm...

[versed locust]

Shoot! I’ve been without internet for the whole day (storm cut power) am I still clear for an order?

[grand sun]

Yeah, go ahead and post it.

You’re flying empty, should see the path most are taking, but let me know if you have questions.

[versed locust]

I apologize, I’m never usually late with this

[grand sun]

No worries. We were crunched this time too.

[gusty aurora]

"don't worry falcon I'll watch your aft"

[surreal canyon]

congrats on that solitaire high score XD

[cursive rapids]

Did we figure out how the fleet would disperse? Seems like we alot of people wanted to go the same route

[deep narwhal]

BGs are small - I'm pretty sure all you can fit into 1 tile on the tacmap (STORM fit all of its VTOLs in 1 high orbit tacmap tile).

[violet sparrow]

We shall see

Either way, we will be put wherever the TAC-COMs and Cap needs to put us to make it work

[grand sun]

I haven’t scaled units to match the scale of Atlas’ fighters. I’ll post a draft in this channel for review before posting the final in #1386030427130564769

[deep narwhal]

You could just scale match our VTOLs.

[grand sun]

Fair…was just thinking since the fighters were on the same map I’d be adding to.

Looks like a lot of aerospace will be moving through the corridor. Looks like good cover to me.

[deep narwhal]

Oop- true. Sounds good, then!

[cursive rapids]

Right over the baddies lol gotta love it

[grand sun]

Bombers are torpedoing the big one and the rest are just dumping bombs on the smaller one.

Atlas looks to be charging straight forward toward the Nav Field at best speed.

[cursive rapids]

I dig it

[cunning shell]

We got this

[cursive rapids]

What could possibly go wrong

[chilly iris]

Many explosions

[cunning shell]

No doubt remember we have the fleet here we have the numbers on orbitals

We can sneak by the tormentor

It’s all good

Let the chaos begin

[gusty aurora]

right so what ships can we resupply at

[grand sun]

I’ll have a look at Atlas’s roster tomorrow. See who has the flight decks.

(And the flight deck rules)

[cunning shell]

I just imagine we’re like the one group that will set the new record for the longest travel time in Armco history

[gusty aurora]

prolly

[cunning shell]

I hope we have enough time to make a proper sub on the ground

[dapper quartz]

Can I just say, for the record, having slept on what we're doing... I still do not approve of yoloing past a bot ship like we're doing

If they have literally anything that deals splash damage, we are utterly cooked.

[cunning shell]

We’re fine

Besides there too focus on our orbitals to worry about us and before you say they have fighters they shot last round

We’re quite literally lucky to be able to get this one opportunity and to move forward with our own units at speed 5 vs 1

[grand sun]

I get it. And the poll was narrow.

[grand sun]

That wasn't meant as a dismissal either...the concerns are valid and felt by others both here and in Shovels.

In other news, I'll be starting on our map once I finish breakfast

[cunning shell]

Radical

So Dave how does it feel to be making a map for 16 people to appear in the middle of a combat zone

[grand sun]

😜 Better than 33 people over a remote base

[hidden scaffold]

Hey Dave how is the order processing of the 212 going?

[cunning shell]

Oh what happened

I’m pretty sure he hasn’t begun yet

[hidden scaffold]

Weren't you part of one of the Stormchaser Ops?

[cunning shell]

Yeah

Infantry unit callsign hell hounds

Died on party bus

The HAT

[hidden scaffold]

oh ouch

[cunning shell]

First campaign to

But it’s fine

That’s why I don’t like HATs

They die too easily

[hidden scaffold]

I think you mean another HAT. Party bus was part of the exfil operation at the Citadel #midround-events message

[dapper quartz]

Oh, they're valid concerns, alright - just valid concerns that, as a group, the 9th and 14th decided were less important than the valid concern of getting to the fight later.

[cunning shell]

Prophecy

That’s the one

[grand sun]

Had a delay (client sent something in)...booting up TTS now.

[hidden scaffold]

Either way of course it sucks and lets hope for the best this time

[grand sun]

You start on Shovels?

[cunning shell]

That’s why I’m trying to ride with a HVTOL

[hidden scaffold]

Orders are processed I just need to map it and add commentary how our positions is in regard to the 212th

Honestly the patch is the most time intense part 😅

[grand sun]

What you using? (TTS doesn't have the orbit version of the icons)

[hidden scaffold]

Affinity Photo. Makes it easy to make the arrows (see the Cross Roads planning map in Shovel doc)

• that's also how I work on the patch

[grand sun]

for scale...

[hidden scaffold]

Looks right I would say

[grand sun]

All processed

I haven't switched to blacked out icons and fighter archs yet...

Rusty stitching, but not a bad map I don't think

@hidden scaffold First draft complete

Dres was right...with the size of HATs, 4325 is looking like it's gonna bubble over.

More layers than I'm used to using. lol

[hidden scaffold]

Did you switch from TTS?

[grand sun]

TTS is still my primary. I used PS to stitch the screenshots together so I can give a larger map.

But I forgot the logo on the screenshot and I couldn't get the orbit version of the fighter icons to import to TTS

😜 so I turned the non-fighters black and box selected them for the yellow outlines and then in PS I imported the fighter icons and then just positioned them on top

Are you doing a strat layer map too? Are you mentioning that we're running for Nav Field 1?

[hidden scaffold]

Yeah

Just did that

[grand sun]

ok. I'll work getting those too then

There. Larger notes and one that says we want to go to Nav Field 1 with Shovels

lol, which is good since we have one of your units

I'll probably ditch the red arrow on the strat layer this round

[hidden scaffold]

Kind of funny that all logi/engineer TF/BG have orange in the patch

Btw why does your map have an orange tint?

[grand sun]

🤷‍♂️

The tac map is the export from PS. Strat map is a screenshot from TTS

[grand sun]

@violet sparrow This about how you envisioned it?

Anyone on, have a look. I'll be turning the TCO Tac Map in a few hours before my deadline. (likely <t:1751313647:R>)

[dapper quartz]

Can't fighters shoot at stuff in their flight path now?

(So there's... less(?) need for fighters to swing round to cover directions?)

[grand sun]

Yeah, you can engage along the route. Arrows and slash ordered to have the facings depicted.

[violet sparrow]

Works for me, though my facing was listed as pointed west by the end point

But I am not 100% worried by it 😄

[grand sun]

Shoot! You’re right. I’ll correct it after lunch. Anything else see off?

[violet sparrow]

Nope. All else is good

[fluid carbon]

Atlas T4 plan. We'll neutralize the Frigate, and have VTOL bays and Flight Decks standing by to Repair/Rearm and load up LS for the crossroads airfield.

[grand sun]

We may be a turn or 2 behind you. I know Shovels wanted to swing by the rock station last I knew

[hidden scaffold]

For that Rabbit is needed and for that the lumaran transports

[fluid carbon]

hard to say exactly how long, but we're most likely gonna be there another 2 or 3 turns anyway to retrieve our ground troops, and guard the Transports if needed

if everything goes super fast, we could join you at crossroads (pending vote)

[hidden scaffold]

All very dependent on the Lussan Gate blockade

[fluid carbon]

Victorum's got it, they showed me some math, it'll be 2 turns to kill both, max

(unless they board or something)

[hidden scaffold]

Tbf disabling them so they can’t shot would probably be enough right? Though my knowledge of boarding is not that big

[fluid carbon]

it's still hostile, so the "interdiction" effect still applies

[hidden scaffold]

Ah ok

[fluid carbon]

last I heard, Pathfinder might try to board, but also Victorum may just blow it up, so idk

[grand sun]

I moved the arrow and didn't feel like doing a new bottom image...But otherwise, this should be better

[cursive rapids]

Here's hoping the tormentor doesn't notice

[grand sun]

Target rich environment for Tormentor.

I put those with multiple hits between it and our HATs for a reason. lol

TF Atlas and TF V will have a lot of fighters active as well.

reminder, this is TF V's intentions this round

[fluid carbon]

yup, our 4 (out of ammo) are intentionally looping around the Tormentor to try and screen those HMGs for you

[grand sun]

I mean, Donner is after some action with their path while ADVANCEing

[dapper quartz]

Beating a horse I killed myself at this point, but would it really have harmed us to wait for another turn?
Rhetorical question, don't answer it, I'm just in a bad mood right now for unrelated reasons.

[cunning shell]

It’s gonna be okay

[grand sun]

Next round we should be going to a new Strat point. Think we're headed to Rock Station first since we got a shoveler with us.

Should make it there next round.

anyway, going mobile. ping me if you need me or think there's something I should see.

[cursive rapids]

At least this way we'll be out n about and ready to empower others to kick ass

[deep narwhal]

I mean, STORM and FLUFFLE made it through fine. And you guys will have even more, and know the enemy intent this time around.

You have risk, yes, but less than STORM.

[grand sun]

😅 they said not to answer.

[dapper quartz]

🤷

My knee-jerk response is "but we're not warships!!!"

[hidden scaffold]

I would lie if I would say I am not feeling nervous too about that maneuver

[dapper quartz]

Just... tell me to shut up until the round is calculated and we know what actually happened.

I feel like there are at least two relevant XKCDs for this...

[hidden scaffold]

In regard to calcuated risk?

[deep narwhal]

Sorry, Bunnytob, didn't see the "don't answer" part.

But yeah. Hope you guys make it through.

[hidden scaffold]

Well it is starting

[dapper quartz]

I think I was thinking of 3007, so yeah IG

[dapper quartz]

Oh, okay.

Eh, sod it. I'm tired. It's 11pm. See ya in 10-ish hours.

[violet sparrow]

As a wise man once said

Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair

I mean looking at it from a game mechanics perspective
Enemy use unit prioritization like we do. They do not get to select their targets. They attack the unit they are most effective against first (Orbitals will attack Orbitals, fighters will attack armed aerospace units first, etc)
So as long as we don't just fly in on our own, we will be fine. The enemy will attack the more appropriate threat.

Outside of the mechanics, the Bots are heavily engaged with our Taskforces. They have bigger threats and are distracted

So from a mechanical and story point, it makes sense to go now.

We can't collect payment for saving the Lumarians if they are all dead
The is the risk there, sure. But there is a lot on our side with the data we have

[hidden scaffold]

Jup one of the reasons I voted pro self deployment in Shovels

[violet sparrow]

There is also a reason I put myself between the Bots and our group 😄

I am confident with our chances, but that doesn't mean I just go into a warzone without precautions

Personally, I am glad we went now. It would be boring if I wasn't as risk escorting 😄

The threat of damage or even death is what I am here for. It makes it so much more fun if it works out

Also I always try to play on the policy that I am not my character or my unit. It is OK if they take risk or make mistakes. It keeps the story and the game interesting

I want more from a game then winning. I know, I am weird lol

[hidden scaffold]

Yeah I still remember the anticipation I had when we dropped at Haven. Never felt a rush like that over a few sentences 😄
(Also really shows how good Shack is at keeping the tension)

[keen vault]

I think i would have voted for Self Deploy if i wasn't a LM, If i were flying something, they I would have something to do, but the difference for me here is wait a little longer for 100% chance to play the game, vs 90% chance to play the game but go now

But, im also just kinda along for the ride, and have really no problems doing either, I joined up knowing full well I was probably not gunna get to do alot of cool stuff this campaign

[keen vault]

Thats the way i tend to think too, its more like an rpg than a tactical wargame for me. Playing the character is fun

[deep narwhal]

STORM dropping in with a dream-

[cunning shell]

They have bio organic material on their ships

What the hell are we fighting

[cursive rapids]

Something thats weak to fire

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[fluid carbon]

We thought maybe T-1000 style impersonators

or Brains in Jars

[ebon river]

Probably all cyborgs of some sort

[cunning shell]

Noted make sure you have self destruct as a dead man switch I refuse to be turned

What if that’s what those gray pods are on the ground like some kind of capsules for transportation of new victims

[flat swift]

https://tenor.com/view/unspottable-punch-ragdoll-robot-oneofus-gif-18030679

[cunning shell]

I refuse

[cunning shell]

I know it’s already too late for you because you’re a synthetic person but I have to strongly disagree with becoming a robot

[cunning shell]

makes a sub yummy

[cunning shell]

Why

[cunning shell]

Did you want a sub too

[flat swift]

pat pat the sandwich.

Uh I had one for dinner, was very tasty

[cunning shell]

Nice

[twin girder]

You people confuse and frighten me

[cunning shell]

Why

[cunning shell]

Am I confusing? 🤔 I don’t think I am

[cunning shell]

I believe it’s Dave who’s confusing

[grand sun]

Midrounds coming in. Looks like TF fighters are getting work done and pulling fire

[dapper quartz]

Great, we're gonna have to deal with the Frigate next round.

[twin girder]

Very nice

[grand sun]

Not necessarily. Depends on if Nav Field 1 is a tac map

[hidden scaffold]

Could be the case that we will be there already this turn

[chilly iris]

It also only has two hits left

[hidden scaffold]

Would be funny if 212 has an orbital kill 😂

[grand sun]

I'm hoping Donner will get added in and catch the fleeing freighter. Only one hit, but it'd still be something

[dapper quartz]

What're the chances that 6 fighters can kill a 5-hit frigate?

[grand sun]

Depends on angle...but it's also a damaged frigate with only 2 hits left

[dapper quartz]

Oh, it's got 2 hits left? Okay, that's... easier.

I imagine we'd be hitting it from the front.

[grand sun]

Not saying it's an easy fight or even one we're equipped for...but it's possible

[violet sparrow]

I mean as long as we don't fly in front of it, I say we just ignore it lol

[dapper quartz]

Yeah, I concur.

[violet sparrow]

As long as we don't engage it and it doesn't engage us, we might be able to just pass by in the same map and not be slowed down

Have to check with Cap

[grand sun]

Figure the Strat layer will help us largely know what we're dealing with. lol, but I'm definitely cool with us staying on mission

[violet sparrow]

Mainly my thought process is a Tac Map is only used if one or both sides are intent on actually performing actions and initiating combat
If you have say our BG going through and the bot is just retreating, we don't need a tac map. It would be a Tac-Map of both units just flying away from each other. That really wouldn't add to gameplay or the story on a tactical level
Both groups could just use 1 speed to go past that strategic layer point

Again, would need to check with Cap on that. There may be a side to it i am not seeing

[grand sun]

I could see that too

[dapper quartz]

Out of interest... is Shack known to have Dyslexia or something of the like?

[plucky river]

If I remember he uses StT (Speak to Text)

[grand sun]

I feel like I remember him doing that a lot

[dapper quartz]

Ahh, okay, that explains the typos (or rather, typo's.)

[somber apex]

was the spec ops scout team that dropped a week ahead of us a player group? if so which BG or something do they belong to?

[hidden scaffold]

Storm

[somber apex]

ahhhh oki that's neat
I didn't really see the involved player interactions which was a bummer

[grand sun]

Some of the spec stuff was DMed with Captain and then released for us to see, but yeah. They have the specop and specop vtol

[dapper quartz]

Holy sh they got smashed

Two infs and a VTOL downed already, most of the rest badly mauled...

Hopefully the tank can pull tank things because it doesn't seem like the bots have AT.

[grand sun]

Costly line to hold...but they held. I think Iron Hammer might be there next round and Fluffle should be able to help deal with the fighters and orbitals

[ebon river]

Speaking of stuff groundside, are we setting up shop at the airfield Stormblessed secured?

[grand sun]

Stormblessed have the starbase secured.

Our base will be Flying Shovel's airfield in Crossroads once they get it up

[somber apex]

that really felt like a Normandie landing
out of the vehicle, trying to take down as many as they can before going down
that was rough to read 😓

[ebon river]

Gotcha. In the meantime, we’re passing out the supply we have and trying to avoid getting shot at?

[grand sun]

We'll be able to load up supplies from Atlas soon and start with that side.

We've got an engi from Shovel, so we gotta work with them on movement until we drop them off. My vote will likely be that drop off units in Elim, load up on supplies, and then push via ground. But I need to see the map and chat with Shovels

[somber apex]

https://tenor.com/view/ina-inanis-ninomae-inanis-humuhumu-ina-nod-gif-21412096

[grand sun]

I don't see Donner on the map, but since the map won't be needed next round, I won't bother Captain with it

[somber apex]

he probably got lost as they split of from the rest of the formation
bummer, but not sure if they had been able to engage anyone

[grand sun]

I'm sure between all the other fighters and bombers in 4215, Donner was just forgotten.

[hidden scaffold]

Sooo maybe we try to make a formation together for the next turn?

Just in case

[cursive rapids]

Sure lean into the flight of the valkyrie vibes

[cursive rapids]

Wait what happened to Damar?

[cunning shell]

What is the plan for Shovels

[hidden scaffold]

Our one vtol is MIA

so we are just one spot under self deploy 😒

[cursive rapids]

Damn ..I

[grand sun]

So we're transporting 4FS of Shovels. lol

[cursive rapids]

That works

[cunning shell]

Are they nice

[cursive rapids]

Shovels are dope

[cunning shell]

Okay then should we give them a honorary badge

[cursive rapids]

First group to get a commendation as part of the free company in C1

[chilly iris]

Well my HAT has plenty of Dr Pepper that can be withheld if they’re mean

[hidden scaffold]

yeah also I know them from Rising Tide

[hidden scaffold]

You are thinking of Pete he is with Storm

[cursive rapids]

Am I? Dang

[hidden scaffold]

But you are right Rossy is also a RT vet

[hidden scaffold]

I think it might be good to do a combined poll where to go

[cunning shell]

5 confirmed losses from Storm that sucks

[hidden scaffold]

Isn't it four?

One vtol in orbit, one vtol on the ground and 2 infantry?

[cunning shell]

Wasn’t egg transporting someone

[grand sun]

Egg was empty on purpose

[cunning shell]

Ah okay so yeah four

[cursive rapids]

Damn

That's intense

[cunning shell]

Yeah but they accomplished there mission

That’s what matters right now

[cursive rapids]

Gotta make sure they get the beans bullets and bandaid they need to keep it though

[grand sun]

You wanna host in Shovels and I'll reference it here?

[hidden scaffold]

I can do that

Just gonna gather options first

So if you have ideas hit me

[cunning shell]

We go to the station

[grand sun]

We could

• Go to Rock station with Rabbit and Spearhead
• Stage at Field Nav 1
• Push to Elim but most forces remain behind the Orbital line

[cunning shell]

I go with option 1

[dapper quartz]

✋ 🤓 their*

That being said, I have no strong opinions on where we're going except for hot-dropping on Elm while orbit is contested.

Once Fluffle does their thing I'm fine with whatever.

[grand sun]

I think Atlas is also going in, so They should have both TFs engaging next round.

[violet sparrow]

OK, round is done

do we know what our next movement will be next round?

[grand sun]

Trying to work that out with Shovels since we're helping them transport.

Damar Rock Station has been mentioned a few times.

[violet sparrow]

copy. if we want to push for Elm, I have no problem being one of the fighers between the Bots and our HATs

all I ask is that I am not the only one 😛

[grand sun]

I'm all for the buddy system

I think Elim is unlikely while the orbit is contested based on what I've been seeing.

We should be getting a poll once @hidden scaffold has gathered the options that'll be in #1382191881873653833 for both groups to vote on.

Atlas's VTOL Bay(s) are likely going to be busy this round repairing Storm's damaged units anyway.

[cursive rapids]

We should also communicate with the storm and see just how critical they assess their situation to be

I dont mind going to rock city and making sure that situation is handled and w.e resources we secure are made available for use...but thats only viable if the storm can hold and not get chewed up while the rest of our forces deploy

[hidden scaffold]

Well now you can vote

#1382191881873653833 message

@grand sun

[grand sun]

lol, I was about to past the [poll link](#1382191881873653833 message) in.

[cursive rapids]

My vote would depend on additional info but fuck it lol

[grand sun]

Last I knew, they had enough supplies for several rounds and the TFs should be providing fighters. Lemme ping the TCO

actually...they don't have a logi truck, do they?

Also, here's the BG freighter speeds...

BG Transport Freighters
Redwall speed 3
Spearhead speed 3
Rabbit speed 2
Phalanx speed 2
Dwarf Merchants speed 2
Venator speed 2
Pathfinders speed 1*
Dwarf Fortress speed 1
Ultra speed 1

[violet sparrow]

Well not with that additude lol

[grand sun]

lol, I was meaning I was seeing opposition to moving there while there was a hostile orbital.

[violet sparrow]

But if that is what the group wants to avoid, all good. Just saying I am all for providing cover so others can make it. As long as more Fighters and VTOLs are willing and we don't have one unit so far ahead of others, it shouldn't kill us dropping from orbit

Especially if we go in before those Fighters could reload

Though it sounds like the Fighters are already planning to go into low orbit

[grand sun]

I think the 212th is in a unique position to be a decent fighter force as well as logistics. I'll roll with what the groups vote

I could see you and the rest of the fighters being a help to the forces in Elim and those moving into Elim, but I do also see how us holding could help with the next leg more than we'd help now.

If we go to Rock Station and the plan is to take the air path to Crossroads to bypass L-H, then I think it'd make sense to transfer LM Crow to a HAT at the station so Hoover could snag the LS on our way through (unless Atlas came with us too)

😅 Lots of potential paths as we wait for our base to be established

[violet sparrow]

I vote for Elm City 😄 Go big or go home

[grand sun]

😜 make sure you get your [vote](#1382191881873653833 message) in then. lol

I think most of the fighters haven't voted yet and theres a lot of indifferents

[cunning shell]

I go where I’m needed

[chilly iris]

Same here

[cunning shell]

But then I heard that I might lose my comfy HVTOL seat and voted to go to the Elim city

[gusty aurora]

hmm is it cool if we go after the frigate

[grand sun]

The one that’s fleeing or the one over Elim?

[plucky river]

You can, you'll just not have ammo until you can rearm.

Shack has said in Victorum that we can send a list of who's attacking it.

[gusty aurora]

sounds good who wants to join me and do we know of any defenses for her?

[kindred eagle]

I vote to go to Elim

[grand sun]

#1382191881873653833 message

Joint poll since we’re tied to each other.

[grand sun]

Donner was in position to, but didn’t. We’re moving to Field Nav 1 (beyond that is on the poll). I don’t know what rules are for the frigate and our BG moving to a different Strat Point rather than remaining.

[cunning shell]

I wonder if i could snag a mining laser

[cunning shell]

Federal listening post I wonder what we should do about it

[hasty garden]

Pathfinders and ultra are both down HARD for it, we probably don't need to worry

[cunning shell]

Yeah I wonder if there’s anything good in it

[grand sun]

My hope, it’ll give us a level of intel on bot movements in this system

[cunning shell]

I could see it giving us a hint of fleet movements and delayed movements of ground units

[grand sun]

I was just thinking things like bot fleet positions and maybe what strat points had bots on the ground. lol, I just gave it the “movements in this system” as flair.

Don’t know how strong or where they’re going…but it shows that bots are here, here, and here. TFs are also here and here.

[cunning shell]

I wonder tho if it’s operational

[grand sun]

You know…intel that tells us more where there could be a fight without telling us a lot else.

[cunning shell]

I feel it’s only gonna cover our side of the map then anything else

Same

Welp I’m going to put my order in since I’m not the one flying around

Unless I should wait

[grand sun]

Can you check the shovel roster real quick and see how many they have

[chilly iris]

As in votes in the poll?

[cunning shell]

Votes or people

Currently it looks like we’re going to the station

Majority of votes are going for the station

[grand sun]

People, sorry.

Was curious how many votes were missing.

[cunning shell]

So far we have a total of 22 votes

Out of the unknown number who haven’t voted

Out of 40 players theres only been 22 votes

That means 18 people aren’t voting either not sure or there busy with life

Unless I completely fudged up the math and then messed up the count

[grand sun]

lol, I appreciate you running those numbers. I don’t like how we keep being rushed to get the orders in.

There’s enough for me not to preemptively call the result, so I guess I’ll have to check it again in the morning and will send pings out once decided.

[hidden scaffold]

One person is MIA, two are busy with real life. I haven't voted yet because I wanted to wait till some votes are in

So 23 out of 37 votes right now

[dapper quartz]

Will our orders really be relevant this turn?

Like... unless we want to bum around by the gate for some reason (or split off) we're all going to be advancing in formation to wherever the poll takes us.

I'm not quite sure how the movement between zones works, but we don't really have a map of where we're going to plot the exact hex.

So...

[cunning shell]

Basically we are moving together because we have a little engineer with us from shovel

Because BG have to stick to their own group so we’re currently debating and voting on what to do

Please check out BG9 comms for the vote

[hasty garden]

I need to go to bed soon, so please excuse me leaving some vague orders that can be summarized as "follow the shovels to wherever they end up"

[hidden scaffold]

If we go to Elim then at least for the aerospace we need orders. Otherwise yeah I don’t think it is necessary but it is good to keep up with the schedule

[cunning shell]

makes some hot chocolate ☕️

Want some

[dapper quartz]

Yeah, I'm dumping some vague orders too.

Ping me if you want me to try and make them more specific.

[grand sun]

Alrighty folks, looks like we’re going to Damar Rock Station this round. Player orders will likely just be largely RP and I’ll draw up a strategic level map.

[chilly iris]

My order is in. I put that I landed in case it’s possible to unload troops to explore the mines

[grand sun]

I’ll be honest…I’m not actually sure what all you do if you go to a strat point that doesn’t need a tactical map for hostiles…

Putting in that you’re intending to land should work and leave you with enough movement since we aren’t going far.

[hidden scaffold]

Any idea regarding a formation?

[grand sun]

When I was playing around with it, I had

• 3 fighters on Left and Right
• 2 VTOLs rear
• 2 HVTOLs front
• HATs in the middle in a close grouping.

[hidden scaffold]

Sounds good just be aware @umbral galleon is doing the map this turn

[grand sun]

Idk if it’s needed game mechanics wise, but to my eyes it gave the HATs the most protection. I guess the VTOLs and HVTOLs could be swapped…but I forget sometimes that we aren’t more armored than VTOLs anymore.

[cunning shell]

I put my order in let me know if I need to do anything

Oh by the way Dave

☕️

Your coffee

[grand sun]

Late start on my coffee cause I had to drop the kids off. Working on getting caught up on everything

[cunning shell]

Well now you can imagine having coffee

[versed locust]

Hold on, I though we were grabbing a large supply from Atlas to help shovels build an airfield. Did we change plans?

[grand sun]

We're still doing that. Just not this round

Atlas is expecting Storm's damaged VTOLs to fill their bays for repairs and we need to either put LM Crow on the ground in Elim to walk to Crossroads, or transfer the LM from Hoover to a HAT.

We'll go to the Rock Station this round, and next round be at least over Elim if not further.

[versed locust]

Ok that makes sense. They took a pretty big hit, so they need the repairs. If we want to I can take crow because at this point I’m starting to doubt the possibility of getting a second LS from Atlas.

[grand sun]

They have 3 reserved for the airfield, with each lasting 4 turns I think thanks to a LS Depot that Shovels will be building the same round as the airfield.

That said, you could end up doing both. Crow first, then the LS after.

[grand sun]

If you want to put in orders about us going to the rock station and you attempting to land, go for it. I don't know what the situation over there is like. We've got enough movement that you attempting to land (like Puffin) shouldn't limit our abilities for next round. Up to you tho

[violet sparrow]

If i just put in my orders that I will fly point ahead of the group, is that enough for you to make the formation in your orders?
I assume we just need to the strategic map, but could be a tactical map is needed 🤷

[grand sun]

Yeah, that'd give me enough to do up a formation in case we ended up launched into a tac map

[violet sparrow]

If we go to a strategic point that doesn't need a tactical map, then you juat send cap a map of our movement on the strategic map

[grand sun]

I figured I'd turn in both a Strat Layer map and a formation image that way we were covered if something happened

[hidden scaffold]

Probably good to discuss sth now before it goes to an actual contested zone

[violet sparrow]

Maybe with a picture of what the formation will be, in case we do run into stuff he knows how to lay us out on the map real quick

[grand sun]

I figured HATs would be the most protected with VTOLs and HVTOLs helping on angles the fighters weren't...unless y'all (fighters) wanted to split up enough to cover all around...but that's isolating each fighter a bit

[violet sparrow]

Are we not planning on going to the Mine with the data we got from the recent intel?

[grand sun]

We may go there to support in following rounds, but we don't actually qualify for the initial activation.

Marked For "Ground Battlegroup in Transports Only"

wait...I might have read that wrong...

I took that to mean like the BGs that are on the Armco freighters, but I can see how it could actually be talking about us...

[chilly iris]

It might mean only the bags in the automated transports as it mentions only sending one of them to keep a low profile

Plus the anti-grav lift that would only help the orbitals

[grand sun]

I mean, that's how I read it.

[chilly iris]

I mean if he means us or another BG, I wouldn’t be surprised

[grand sun]

If it wasn't for the single transport flying low, I could see it maybe the idea being that we secure it for another BG to use the lift to get down.

But with us having a shovel, we'd need to either bring that BG with us or drop them off first

Not sure if 7 HATs, 2 VTOLs, 2 HVTOLs, and 6 fighters count as low profile...tho we aren't orbitals...

[chilly iris]

I mean combined we’re like 2.5 frigates or something

[grand sun]

🤷‍♂️ I'll take your word for it. lol, since we were both self-deployable (at least originally), I didn't actually look at orbital space for our BGs

imo, if you can self-deploy, then you should...even if you remain with the fleet that can't

[chilly iris]

I’m sure once they gain control of it they’ll need help transporting the LS so maybe that’s where we come in

[grand sun]

Armco being strapped for space should mean that they'd only scrape together was was needed for those who couldn't transport themselves.

At least that's how I see it

[ebon river]

What’s the plan when we get to the station? Are we debarking, or staying aboard?

[grand sun]

up to you. Puffin is going to attempt to land.

[cursive rapids]

At least we'd be on the ground

[grand sun]

I will likely recommend Crow switches to a HAT either this round or next so we have Hoover open for an LS

[cursive rapids]

Can they do that? lol

[grand sun]

who do what?

[cursive rapids]

Crow switch to a HAT in flight

[grand sun]

Not in flight

But we could potentially use the rock station as a transfer point

[cursive rapids]

Right so landing would be required one way or another for some of us

Might be smarter just to flock together to the airfield for protections sake then lol

[grand sun]

Falcon is already attempting to land, so we'd have an empty HAT on the ground should we decided to transfer Crow we'd just need Hoover to land as well.

[cursive rapids]

k I'll go with just in case something else needs to be picked up at some point in the round

[grand sun]

I may ask while we're there and see if they have supplies. Could load up some of our units to prepare for resupplying those already on the ground and soon to be on the front.

[cursive rapids]

Or just whatever goodies we might uncover on the ground who knows

[grand sun]

Nothing that changes our orders this round...just might give us something for next round.

[grand sun]

🫣 Logi tab now with more HAT slot options

@peak terrace , @surreal canyon , @somber apex We are jumping to the Rock Station with Shovels and at least 1 BG Freighter...but prolly 2.

I know there's not really much to this one since I'll be putting a Strat map together and we're hoping not to have a Tac Map, but for "activity" and paper trails, please enter an order even if it's just "remaining in formation".

@chilly iris what you using (or planning to use) to make maps?

@ebon river what you using(or planning to use) to make maps?

[ebon river]

I’ve been using Tabletop Sim

[chilly iris]

I use TTS and Gimp

[ebon river]

It sounds like you also use that?

[grand sun]

Both went TTS, nice. You have it setup to be able to place units and orders easily?

[grand sun]

Yup Yup. I do TTS + PS. Not necessarily a needed level on complexity, but it's how my maps are the size they are.

[chilly iris]

I have all of our units and call signs as a saved object

[somber apex]

got it

[grand sun]

You going to use Gimp for the arrows and such?

[chilly iris]

Yeah

[somber apex]

this message really deserved a ping

[ebon river]

That would be awesome, thanks

[grand sun]

I'll get better about those. I'm still getting used to promoting (or even just using) polls both here and in other servers for that mater. I am sorry about that.

[somber apex]

no worries
was meant as a constructive note

also the poll is closed now, right? or is there a newer one?

[grand sun]

😅 I more was just asking if you had already gotten it prepped for easy placement on your own save.

[ebon river]

Ah, no, not yet

[grand sun]

yeah, it closed. I think there was 10 who hadn't voted and of those 10, 9 would've needed to vote for Elim for the rock station not to win.

[chilly iris]

If there are blank versions of the maps with no units on them for clarity, that would be hella appreciated

[grand sun]

Yeah...that'd be nice.

[somber apex]

yea I mostly just wanted to ad my vote to show my presence

[grand sun]

I'll look making it so I share my setup, but really it's up to you on how you want to do it. This is my "tray"

[ebon river]

I’ve already set up one set, I can do another pretty easy once I have easy access to my computer again

[surreal canyon]

Apologies I've been very busy this week, I'll try to keep up with things better in the future.

[grand sun]

oh no worries then.

I thought you didn't have one. Once you have a "tray" you can just change the map out and you already have all your tokens prepped and ready to place.

[grand sun]

I gotcha! I know I have to break pings up...but prolly what I'll start doing is pinging the groups based on unit type. So when a poll or something like that drops, I'll ping all the fighters, then group the transports, then the LMs.

[grand sun]

No worries! Pretty basic round this time, but things should start to heat up.

Fortunately once we actually get to the planet, our plans should be able to be more known and less of this complete unknown until it's right on top of us.

[surreal canyon]

I just got to make sure to check when orders are open. should be easier from here on out to do that.

[grand sun]

Schedule
Orders from Players Due Sunday, Wednesday <t:1749592800:t> or 6PM EDT
Tac-Com Maps Due Monday & Thursday <t:1749592800:t> or 6PM EDT
Tactical Maps Released on Tuesday & Friday <t:1749592800:t> or 6PM EDT

[somber apex]

that sounds like a plan worth trying

[surreal canyon]

Thanks for this, I'll be able to follow that, just forgot what day the 2nd set was (the Wednesday). I just got to look at putting orders in Tuesdays and Fridays.

[grand sun]

No worries! I normally aim to start reminder pings like 4hrs out, but got busy with client work today.

And again, I'm hoping things will start to move more smoothly once we get to where we're actually operating over Lumara

Nothing against Shovels, but it'll be a bit different when the two BGs aren't tied together with the transportation

[cunning shell]

Mid round event

[grand sun]

The Mine bit?

[hasty garden]

Mmhmm, could be worth a quick run to grab the supplies if no one else can make it/has the capacity

[grand sun]

Venator has their eyes on it. Spearhead is going that way too

[hasty garden]

The grave lift,they do,not sure about the supplies

[grand sun]

Spearhead is more focused on the supplies, Venator is talking about using the grav lift to blitz toward Ziyal

[grand sun]

We may assist in extracting the supplies, but we’ve gotta see how much and what the situation is. I believe Storm is considering flying over there to assist after securing Elim as well. If so, Storm has HVTOLs that could extract LS on their own.

[cunning shell]

Supplies

We needs them

[grand sun]

they keep the company running

[cunning shell]

So you say remember it doesn’t hurt to be able to fight as well

[grand sun]

Haha, not the “running” I meant.

I was meaning like the fuel that kept us going.

[cunning shell]

Yeah

I’m worried about those missiles trying to get us

[weary laurel]

I would really love to do something like this, how did you do it? I can tell it's tabletop simulator but I don't know how to set up a game like that

[grand sun]

I don’t know how to share it yet…but are you talking about the “tray” and that screenshot?

Cause I can easily explain how I set that part up.

[weary laurel]

I just want to build an army like that for rabbit if I can

[grand sun]

Cool! So like you spotted, it’s tabletop simulator. I’m using Captain’s Free Company workshop item for the tokens.

I cleared off the types 212th doesn’t have and arranged our group on the bottom edge of the table.

That covered most of it. I am using some items from C3’s workshop item like the arrows and the supplies, and I subscribed to an item for the riser to log elevation for aerospace units so I get the fun shadows. Lol

Does that help @weary laurel ?

I know there’s a lot of different programs out there, but TTS is easiest for me since it’s what I used for TCO maps in C3

[weary laurel]

Yes thank you this is really cool!

[grand sun]

Happy to help

[weary laurel]

I'm trying to figure out how to change the map atm

[grand sun]

Right click on the board, you’ll see a custom input. Upload your map to that slow and it’ll populate.

[weary laurel]

oh nice thanl you

[grand sun]

Happy to help!

[weary laurel]

I got a gauss warthog design from another mod kit and I'm using it for my autocannon light vehicle

[grand sun]

That one missing?

(I’ll admit, I didn’t look past 212th’s unit types)

[weary laurel]

yeah best we get is the alt LV which I think is better for the armored LV because it looks like the armored machine gun car from foxhole, or just using a regular LV and putting a mech autocannon on top of it

[grand sun]

I think ideally the weapons just get added to the base vehicle

[dapper quartz]

Hey, Mira? I think you forgot to change the callsign.

[somber apex]

our TF once we've "reclaimed" the planet's resources :3c
(some random trading app I keep getting ads for)

[somber apex]

oh shit I did x.x
I was never good at copying homework...

[grand sun]

😅 and just like that Bunnytob revealed that I hadn’t paid enough attention to the callsign field this round

[cursive rapids]

Lol I love the shovel on a parachute

[grand sun]

lol, that's their logo

[cursive rapids]

I figured haha its exceptional work

[grand sun]

@violet sparrow and @kindred eagle y'all good leading the formation?

[grand sun]

You good as the leading HAT?

[cunning shell]

🤔 Dave where’s the 3 mechs

[grand sun]

Yeah...but the other 2 are in a HAT.

[cunning shell]

Do I have to give up my safety seat in the HVTOL

[cursive rapids]

I love it. It suits my units Commander well for RP purposes hahah

[grand sun]

I need to check the Storm stuff to see if they had their vehicles marked under the HVTOLs

[grand sun]

Perfect!

[cursive rapids]

Whos HVTOLs?

[grand sun]

Depends on if we're going to land in Elim next round or if we're flying past. If we're landing in Elim and progressing via ground routes to Crossroads than Hoover can drop you off at Elim and get an LS from Atlas.

[grand sun]

That would be me (Sumer) and 15thWanderer (Hoover)

[cursive rapids]

Damn I keep missing stuff. Where would we go besides elim?

[cunning shell]

The rock station

[cursive rapids]

Ah ok I didn't see any names along the right side of the formation so I was wondering where the LMs were cool

[grand sun]

I meant if we do ground from Elim or if we fly through it and use the air route to Crossroads

[cursive rapids]

I thought we were going straight there per the poll

Aaaah I see

Question answered

[grand sun]

Crow is held by *Hoover *atm. The other 2 on in Puffin

[cunning shell]

And I don’t want to get into a HAT

[cursive rapids]

What you got against HATs?

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[cunning shell]

I lost my first unit in a HAT

[cursive rapids]

Sounds like you got in a shitty HAT

[grand sun]

Honestly, I like the idea of going to Elim next round and then progressing by ground from Elim -> L-H -> Crossroads. That'd have the LMs runnin

[cursive rapids]

Are you saying were shitty HATs -squints-

[cunning shell]

What

[cursive rapids]

Yes how are LMs for ammo though

[grand sun]

Naw, C3 we had a rough deployment

[cursive rapids]

I've been out of the game for a minute but I basically had to spoon feed an AA LM in C1 and 2

[cursive rapids]

I just messing with you man sorry if that came off aggressive lol

[cunning shell]

2 of us have light lasers Meanwhile light mech Newton is good for 3 shots

[grand sun]

Zeta was in my BG and their HAT was shot down on deployment.

[cursive rapids]

What would be the turnaround on rock station?

I could pick up SS there and air drop it for them yes?

Or is that an upgrade?

[ebon river]

I can’t actually reload, which is why I’m with the logi group. I’m going to primarily run supplies and save my missiles for anyone trying to mess with us

[cursive rapids]

Huh? Do you have to go to a particular facility?

[ebon river]

No, I’m just getting off in case it turns out things are happening there. I intend to get right back aboard if this is a temporary stop

[grand sun]

@surreal canyon , @somber apex , @twin girder , @hasty garden , @gusty aurora , and @dapper quartz

Y'all good with the formation and y'all covering the sides?

[cursive rapids]

Aight

[kindred eagle]

[grand sun]

Figured with you and Dres voting to go to Elim rather than the Rock Station, it was a safe bet that you'd be good to join Dres on the leading line

[somber apex]

yeee

how did this Taskforce start out by the way?
sounds like a fun story to heard around a campfire down on Lumara, drinking with some of the Lumarens

[grand sun]

The 212th?

[violet sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/huckleberry-i'm-your-huckleberry-tombstone-gif-4098529265287526032

[dapper quartz]

For RP purposes I'd like to switch places with Arrows - assuming Mirror's also fine with committing to it and Arrow's fine with switching.

[grand sun]

No problem! Takes me a couple rounds to get to where I remember groups

[somber apex]

yee

[somber apex]

yee

[cunning shell]

Oh dang that story would be like this “we started out as a bunch of jokers and misfits”

[cunning shell]

Replying to this

[somber apex]

lel
what was the idea behind it? instead of joining another BG directly like Flying Shovels or Storm?

[grand sun]

Independent Logistical support.

Many of our members are transfers from other BGs. Dave's vision was that by forming the 212th as it's own BG rather than a branch of another, we'd be able to freely support whomever needed us the most without needing to favor one group as our paired BG.

That said, the 212th was born in the final hours out of desperation realizing that Armco was going to need a group to help the supplies flowing and fighters flying.

😜 feel free to use/edit/ignore any/all of that. lol

[cunning shell]

I think mine is the more accurate version

Joking

[grand sun]

I mean, mine isn't talking about who joined...more why we formed. lol

[cunning shell]

True

Do you think a mining laser is better than our light laser

[grand sun]

lol, is that random or did I miss something?

[cunning shell]

I wonder if the mining laser might be better than our standard light laser

[grand sun]

Gotcha...no clue. Laser increases are kinda difficult

[cursive rapids]

It certainly is bigger lol

[grand sun]

1d4 range 2? idk. lol, it could be the civilian version

[cursive rapids]

Well idk if theres a military mining laser lol but I also doubt this game will make anything special out of a giant fuck all digging laser

if only for simplicity and balance sake

[somber apex]

that does make sense
this is one of the reasons I joined BG 9 originally
so I'm glad I fit in here so well

[cursive rapids]

Happy to have you Mira!

[cunning shell]

Welcome

[hidden scaffold]

Hey do you by any chance have room for another full load of a HAT?

[cursive rapids]

2 of our HATs are empty i believe

[grand sun]

I'm glad you like it and feel at home here. One of my fears was that we'd feel like people's semi-forced backup plan

[cursive rapids]

I know i am unspoken for for the foreseeable future

[grand sun]

whatcha thinking?

[hidden scaffold]

Got one HAT player that will be MIA for 1-2 turns (in the rockies without signal) and I am thinking it is best when they dock at the station and transfer the players loaded up so they can participate

[hidden scaffold]

Wanna be part of dropping some Shovels?

Would be two mechs and one infantry

[grand sun]

All 3 of our HATs put in to land, so should be good there. Might transfer one of our Mechs from HVTOL to HAT, but we'd still have a completely empty HAT

[somber apex]

nah, this is very close to what I imagined doing in the campaign

I wanted a more supportive role in the rear for my first time,
then saw that BG 9 only had a single Fighter, so I thought I'd join to make it at least a functioning duo

when the introduction of the 212th reached us, Bunnytob and I discussed it together and joined together :x ||<3||

[somber apex]

thx!

[somber apex]

I've been here since the 22nd 😭

[grand sun]

😜 better late than never?

[cunning shell]

Well re welcome

[grand sun]

But naw, very happy to have you with us.

[somber apex]

yee thx xP

[somber apex]

buy me a coffee afterwards

[plucky river]

Would you rather not be welcome?

[cunning shell]

What kind?

[hidden scaffold]

Alright gonna inform the players for their option

[somber apex]

as a basic grunt, a cog in the machine, just dirt under the boots of generals
I'm just not used to it

[somber apex]

any really
but ice-coffee would be prefered~

[cunning shell]

I’ll see what I can scrounge up

[cursive rapids]

Im down just let md know what you need

[cursive rapids]

Can do! Im sure Puffin or Falcon would be willing to take on some supplies if you intend to be somewhere for awhile

[grand sun]

Puffin is full, but Falcon might snag some supplies if available at the Rock Station

[cursive rapids]

If we don't have anything else lined up we can split the troops between just in case we find something spicy

[dapper quartz]

'Ey, chinnup, m'sheens need cogs t'funcshun.

'N bissides, y'cn only be dī' undë rë ğenruls boo' if 'e can affōd boo's in the fīst place.

[cursive rapids]

I hope shack has boots with the state of some of our ships that'd be surefire way to catch some sort of disease

[grand sun]

Intentions submitted

[cursive rapids]

Excellent

[somber apex]

"boos sounds nice too!"

[somber apex]

I hope everyone got their typhus shot

[cunning shell]

I don’t think our ships are that bad

[cursive rapids]

they still need alot of work

many were dead hulks not long ago

[cunning shell]

That’s pretty good

I’m excited for after the mission

[cursive rapids]

You got plans for your unit?

[cunning shell]

Heavy mech or go for a medium

But also buy a orbital crew

[chilly iris]

I plan on putting together an anti-orbital orbital and naming it Pequod

[cunning shell]

Interesting

[cursive rapids]

So a warship?

[chilly iris]

Yup

[cursive rapids]

Noice

[chilly iris]

I could get a battleship and still have 2 REQ left over from this campaign

[cursive rapids]

I've been saving to make an atmospheric assault ship thats as big as i can manage

Noice

Lol I wonder how many people want orbitals

[chilly iris]

Even including the captain refit, I can get a battleship but that’s all my REQ

[cursive rapids]

You might be the first one then

[chilly iris]

Sweet

[cunning shell]

We have a battleship right now

Taskforce 1 has it

[grand sun]

5req for Sumer
version 1

• 1 req VTOL Bay
• 2 req Small Supply Box
• 2 req gun pod
  version 2
• 2 req Small Supply Box
• 3 req Infantry Box

Assuming more isn't added.

[twin girder]

True, I'm looking at running a support orbital. Sensor heavy with some bays

[cunning shell]

Nerd

I thought of using arty as guns for a destroyer

[grand sun]

🤣 I'm all about getting Sumer basically everything so I can choose what to bring in.

[cursive rapids]

Lmao transformers the cargo helicopter over here

https://tenor.com/view/optimus-prime-skill-solution-transformers-armada-optimus-transformers-gif-10309322353839672539

[cunning shell]

Curious why can’t Heavy Gunships get a VTOL function

[cursive rapids]

You mean the HAT upgrade?

[grand sun]

Cause they started life as a HAT. lol

[cursive rapids]

Yea if you just have a bunch of guns sticking out of one side of the aircraft might as well have it fly in a circle

[cunning shell]

Dang I really want to make a LAAT gunship

[grand sun]

You know I'd love to see it.

[cunning shell]

Same

[cursive rapids]

Im sure you can make a VTOL into a LAAT

[grand sun]

I mean, Sumer is one in my mind's eye

Not a gunship tho, one of the vehicle transport versions.

[cursive rapids]

Why cant it be both

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[dapper quartz]

I really haven't paid much attention to orbitals. I might actually look into one once we're done here.

Are the crew required for big ships players too?

[grand sun]

I considered a logi orbital for a bit...but I think I like logi BG too much. lol

[dapper quartz]

...do I take that 💯 as a yes?

[grand sun]

Yeah, sorry

The crew for orbitals are other players.

They can bring their own modules, or just man ones you have...but the crew count is a player count. Can have more, but need at least the minimum to operate.

[dapper quartz]

You mean I can't build the HArmcoMS BattleBarge and sail it entirely with my own money?

Sadge. Maybe I'll have to bug some of my real-life friends about this.

...Imagine that. Someone who's been here since v1 and has a bunch of stored Req gets their office of co-workers to sign on as crew and suddenly ARMCO has a(nother?) fully armed and operational Battleship.

[grand sun]

You can with your own money...just need others to help you use run it

[dapper quartz]

Yeah that's the point

Someone with the money buys the entire ship and they just rope their co-workers into being the crew for them

Or friendship group. Or family.

Or university cohort. Or mini-discord-server full of misfits or something

🤷Just a thought. I probably won't be doing that.

[somber apex]

where did you-... where did we get them from?

[cursive rapids]

Tactical acquisitions at there finest. Cap wrote out a whole thing for the Endurance but idk where it went

[somber apex]

and they came with the Capital ship? freebys pog

[grand sun]

We arrived without incident. HATs are on the deck.

[cursive rapids]

Endurance is Caps ship we've had it since C1

[cursive rapids]

Woo!

[cursive rapids]

OK so who's taking on what for these shovels? @chilly iris

[somber apex]

yea, I know that part
it functions as the harbor and hq of ArmCo right?

[cursive rapids]

Mhm and not much else. Its still pretty much an empty storage facility with engines is my understanding

I dont like the emphasis cap pur onoue fighters and training security teams for boarding actions

[grand sun]

Puffin has been carrying on of their engineers and 2 of our LMs
Falcon is the other currently empty HAT besides you

[chilly iris]

I’m fine with @wooden dune staying aboard if they want to. If we rearrange the LMs and I have more room I don’t mind taking more infantry if they need a ride

[somber apex]

hehehe, yea me neither...

[somber apex]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609
when the fighters get busy

[cursive rapids]

Woops wrong person then @versed locust how're we splittimg this up

[somber apex]

when the fighters get busy

[gusty aurora]

right everyone here's our chance to earn our 5

[cursive rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

Good thing we snagged so many fighters

[somber apex]

https://tenor.com/view/never-tell-me-the-odds-star-wars-odds-never-gif-14280242

[grand sun]

I mean, I'm hoping we can push into the planet...but I do like knowing we have a solid fallback option

[grand sun]

😜 you're landed and there's still orbitals between us and them. lol

[cursive rapids]

We got those autocannon turrets we can use for defense but it might be wise to consider leaving some fighters to escorts civilian freighters to the gate

[grand sun]

We gotta stay together. We all stay, or none of us do.

We'll see tho. I think we've basically fortified a fall back point either for us or just for the Lumarans.

The TFs are working on setting up an orbital line of control

Fluffle is headed to the Northern route, Victorum is headed to the Southern route, and I think Atlas will progress Center route as the ground pushes

[cursive rapids]

So long as they have fighters for enemy fast movers and drop pods i dont see any reason for us to stay the

[dapper quartz]

I imagine that I'm probably on stupid-high alert right now both willing and able to fire my missile at anything that moves funny. Coming from a military where civilian deaths were an unwelcome side-effect but not much more, it's... not necessarily a miracle that I haven't done so already yet, but give it a few more rounds and it might be.

[cursive rapids]

PTSD is a hell of a drug

[dapper quartz]

Lore is not immutable, but I want to say that the guy in the cockpit of Cambrly hasn't been shot at nearly enough for him to acquire it.

It's more just tension.

[cursive rapids]

He just really wants to shoot someone

Fair enough

[dapper quartz]

That too. If he was a pacifist he wouldn't have joined the Royal Flying Army.

[grand sun]

"Join the 212th Logi corps, we're supply runners"...few rounds in and we're the primary fighter force responding to the Lumaran's final sanctuary

[cursive rapids]

The plan never survives first contact with the ebemy

Plus I think we deeply underestimated thr number of objectives we were trying to take on and how involved we would have to be

[dapper quartz]

Supply runners and their escorts going somewhere that needs supply? Colour me shooketh.

It's obviously not as simple as that, but still.

[grand sun]

lol, yeah

[cunning shell]

Permission to go on a spacewalk if things begin going haywire

Wait can I even get outside

[cursive rapids]

Yea if it comes down to a pitched fight to hold rock city we might be cooked

[dapper quartz]

Can I get a bomber attack roll if I Kamikaze into a Capital Ship?

[cunning shell]

I mean if all else fails Dave could throw his bunker

[cursive rapids]

See thats how you find the massive network of underground tunnels full of dormant bots

Don't be the first victim of a sci fi horror thriller waiting to happen...stay inside

[cunning shell]

Nah

But I see your point

[grand sun]

You are outside

HVTOLs don't enclose their cargo

[chilly iris]

That actually gives me an idea for a cool HAT upgrade

[cursive rapids]

Lmao

[chilly iris]

Just give them mech doors

[cursive rapids]

Just dangling in space

[chilly iris]

Hang them from the wings

[cursive rapids]

Attached to a giant space helicopter with some steel cables and a dream

[cunning shell]

How am I supposed to know that I’ve never played a mech before

[grand sun]

I think of em like latches

[cursive rapids]

We're big were not THAT big

[grand sun]

Hydraulic arms with mag plates that lock onto and secure the vehicles and heavy objects

[cursive rapids]

A mech on a HAT is folded up and probably would have to be pulled out by a cargo hauler of some kind

[chilly iris]

Ah

[cursive rapids]

Like a real world C-17

[cunning shell]

We could have a camp in a HAT

Or like a mini fabrication shop in them

: o Dave we could make a HAT a mobile coffee shop

[grand sun]

😜 I prefer keeping my coffee with me. One in a HAT means I have to go there for it. lol

[cunning shell]

Nah nah you can just have a nice cup of coffee

That’s been perfectly made compared to your coffee machine in your cockpit

[cursive rapids]

I mean...I've seen a C-17 carry a pizza hut

And most aircraft carriers have a starbucks

Don't see why we couldnt put a bean grinder in a HAT

[cunning shell]

See

[plucky river]

Lore wise I have one.
Used it a lot during C2

[grand sun]

I mean, I've a setup in my home office that could fit inside a small cabin/bridge easily

[cunning shell]

Perfect coffee for you Dave

[plucky river]

The turns of just sitting at the Airfeild

[cursive rapids]

Using Amazon prime to try out new Keuregg flavors

Peak deployment memories

[grand sun]

I mean...an aeropress and good thermos for hot water could easily fit my cockpit

[cursive rapids]

For sure. Just replace the medkit with a coffee mess

Bandaids vs caffeine

[plucky river]

Caffeine can keep you on your feet

[cursive rapids]

Caffeine always win

[grand sun]

There's no medics on board anyway.

[cursive rapids]

Well have an emergency 550 gram caffeine suppository to resuscitate you

Thatll be the medkit lol

Future planning huh!?!

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-sus-bro-cat-gif-14584810346138711389

[plucky river]

Nah

[grand sun]

lol, I'm sure that's not him telling us that we will need a tacmap in the future

[plucky river]

It’s the Large supplies for you

[cursive rapids]

Definitely not

Or maybe....

[grand sun]

In all honesty, it was brought up that an AF could go in there to help with HAT movement

[cursive rapids]

We send zeta on a spacewalk and see whats in the mine

Definitely not be the first in a scifi horror thriller movie

[grand sun]

so there is actual planning potential besides us getting attacked...or rather...them getting attacked. lol

[cunning shell]

7-7 harsh

I’m listening you know

[cursive rapids]

You wanted to do a space walk

There it is

Lol

[cunning shell]

But we’re at the rock station not Cell’dar mine

[cursive rapids]

Were the airlift tf

If anyone can get you there

Its ud

Us*

[cunning shell]

Yeah

[violet sparrow]

The longer without a fight, the more time Cassie has to sip her Whiskey

God help anyone if she runs out...

Oddly enough, you do not want her as a sober pilot

[grand sun]

lol, buzzing the tower seemed on point honestly

[violet sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-fly-by-airplane-spill-drinking-coffee-gif-15162895

[violet sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-sterling-archer-im-scared-if-i-stop-drinking-all-at-once-the-cumulative-hangover-will-literally-kill-me-gif-5069112

^ Cassie

[grand sun]

We've got HATs on the deck at the Rock Station, Fighters patrolling, VTOLs/HVTOLs hanging out I guess, an LM out of the HAT for overwatch (fittingly the LRM one), and it looks like we'll be taking on a full HATs worth of Shovels when we leave

[grand sun]

You getting the job done...so why are we fixing what's not broke?

[somber apex]

"why is a fighter rapidly approaching our location?"
-Mirror, rapidly approaching your location

[somber apex]

another female pilot?! cute!

[cunning shell]

eyes one of the mining lasers I wanna take those things apart and make a makeshift high power laser

[chilly iris]

@grand sun What are the weeks where you won’t be able to map?

[grand sun]

I’ll be unable to map

1. <t:1752328800:D> - <t:1752973200:D>
2. <t:1755608400:D> - <t:1756342800:D>

I’ll have limited access to discord via my phone during each, so I’ll be able to send in orders and respond at least during my nights.

[chilly iris]

Roger that

[grand sun]

You been messing around with the mapping to get a hang of how to set stuff up?

[chilly iris]

Yeah I have

[grand sun]

Y’all have seen the various styles presented in #1386030427130564769 . Y’all’s maps don’t have to look like mine, they just have to fit within Captain’s guidelines and be clear enough for him to see what the players of the 212th want to do.

[chilly iris]

I have and I like your style so I’ll probably just either copy it or put my own spin on it

[grand sun]

If you have any questions feel free to ask either me or the other TCOs.

[twin girder]

You want me to drop you off on the station?

[violet sparrow]

I will be around to if you have questions Mini, and of course there is #1382781756989767692

[versed locust]

Quick question, can we pull small supply from the station or do we have to do that at a task force

[violet sparrow]

From one of the HATs?

[grand sun]

I think they’re asking if the Station is supplied to where the HATs and such could pull Small Supply from the Station rather than us waiting to pull from a TF or the Airfield the Flying Shovels build.

Basically a “while we’re here, let’s stock up”

[somber apex]

https://tenor.com/view/lisagatekeeper-gif-21860135

me in the cockpit anything new today?

[chilly iris]

Nothing new at the station, but we should be heading to the Crossroads soon

[grand sun]

I think Captain just has Elim left…but even if he has more, I think 212th and Flying Shovels are basically just waiting for the briefing at this point.

[hidden scaffold]

Jup contemplated to send the orders open already

Ah DF is missing too

[grand sun]

I wouldn’t yet (this is the bonus day period anyway), but talking about what we wanna do could definitely be done.

[hidden scaffold]

Yeah

[grand sun]

I don’t think the briefing will have anything that really changes our plans and we could always have a conditional plan.

[hidden scaffold]

Had a look and it seems Storm, Redwall, Iron Hammer, DF for the ground and Atlas for orbit are still in progress

[grand sun]

“if Elim orbit is clear…, if not…” type thing.

[grand sun]

DF is out of range to majorly impact the briefing tho.

(I swear I tapped to disable the reply ping)

[chilly iris]

I feel like it resets itself daily or something

[hidden scaffold]

Seems like the Pearls AC and a fighter wing will hit the frigate from the back

[grand sun]

Iron Hammer barely lands, but Redwall just makes orbit…right?

[hidden scaffold]

Redwall wants to land but that depends on Atlas firepower

[grand sun]

Gotcha!

[hidden scaffold]

So for Fluffle's one bomber hit
One sierra AA missile will be fired
And 3 fighter attacks
One AC gun

Not many damage possibilities

[grand sun]

Yeah…sounds like orbit will remain contested

[cursive rapids]

Yea but with our fighters cover and the sheer volume of friendly activities I think we'd be ok so long as we don't end the round in the thick of it

[grand sun]

Oh I agree. The tac map is large enough for us to join Elim City Strat Point and be able to choose if we engage or remain behind the TFs

[fluid carbon]

We factored in two misses with our count. It's clearly got 2+ armor (bounced an autocannon shot), so assuming all our FTRs can hit from behind, its all down to Black Pearl rolling a 2+. 75%.

How's it going over at Darmok (And Jalad at Tanagra)?

[chilly iris]

2+ armor means we can’t board it right?

[fluid carbon]

Not with a breaching pod from the front.

Vtol still works

Were you guys looking to pit stop to pick up LS for the airfield still?

[grand sun]

More than likely we’ll be grabbing it shortly. Gotta work out timing and do some maths to figure out if we actually have time to grab it before I drop off the bunker or if I’m going to have to delay the AF build.

[fluid carbon]

We'll be parked at Elim regardless, just let us know if/how many VTOL bays/Flight Decks to reserve.

[grand sun]

I’ll shoot you a ping once I have a timeline locked in.

You still expecting storm VTOLs this round?

[hidden scaffold]

I like those odds 🎲

[fluid carbon]

Yea, still good odds. Not despairing.
-# yet

[fluid carbon]

No they're all doing desperate CAS attacks to save as much of their INF as possible.

[grand sun]

That’s fair…

[hidden scaffold]

Let’s hope that at least one of the BGs can land

[cursive rapids]

Definitely seems worth it to surge to Elim to get the shovels and supplies on the deck

I know they dont have alot of heavy weapons that'll need ammo but I think elims gonna be in a rough spot

[hidden scaffold]

I think before that Phalanx, Redwall and Iron Hammer will drop

Which should be sufficient to get the upper hand in Elim

[cursive rapids]

True and it'll give us an extra 2 or 3 rounds before they need to rearm

[grand sun]

Fighters might be able to help with cycling wings for rearms and LMs might be able to contribute on the ground.

I haven’t looked at the supply consumption of those on the ground or the requirements for making VTOL repairs

I’ve been keeping an on the supply and air cover tabs to help.

[versed locust]

Yep, that’s what I meant

[keen vault]

Just woke up, skimmed a little but not really sure what our plan is, are we still moving towards Elim?

[grand sun]

Briefing will show us where all the allied forces are. My vote (once we start the poll) will be for us to go to Elim. Players could decide if they wanted to engage or remain behind the orbital line, but it’d put everyone in position to choose and place us closer to the goal.

[fluid carbon]

Any chance we can add an "intended destination" column for the BGs/TFs tab?

[hidden scaffold]

There is a feedback tab that gets worked on

[grand sun]

Definitely sounds like a good addition. Not my sheet tho, I’m just using it. Lol

[fluid carbon]

Found the feedback tab, it's Perrin's, who's one of my HATs >.<

shoulda known

[hidden scaffold]

And Cobalt + multiple works that got added

[dapper quartz]

Y'know, I've only recently clocked the whole "day" thing.

I thought that this whole campaign would take place over, like, a day once the fighting started.

I figured a round was, like... a round. Five to fifteen minutes at most.

[chilly iris]

Nah, turns can be any amount of time really

[cursive rapids]

I mean were crossing spaces of thousands of miles in deep space

[dapper quartz]

"Yeah, we put a tank on the spaceport."
"Great! Should be able to hold back the waves of Bot Infantry, then?"
"Nah. It can only fire, like, one round per day."
"...That's bad."
"Nah. It'll take the bots multiple days to reach us anyway."
"I can See them in that building over there in the distance!"
"Yep. Like I said. Multiple days."

[cursive rapids]

Don't think of it as firing the weapon once think of it as in a day of combat we had this effect on the enemu

And expended this much ammunition

[dapper quartz]

"Come ON! let me go out there and strafe the bots again!"
"Nope. Rearming your fighter take an entire day."
"I get one burst out of this thing!"
"Uh huh. Still takes a day. Patience, pilot. Patience."

[cursive rapids]

LMs aren't carrying 3 missiles lol

[hidden scaffold]

It isn't really defined. I consider a round multiple hours, maybe half a day.
Enough so an engagement can happen and a longer operation

[gusty aurora]

to be fair I think I can also get repairs while getting reloaded so it's swings and roundabouts

[gusty aurora]

also if it is a day frame "okay that was an intense 5 minutes after 16 hours of flying now I can head back and sleep"

[cursive rapids]

Yea the day rounds make sense for everything else. After all ships moving tens of thousands of miles in 15 minutes would be wild lol

[grand sun]

Some rounds feel longer than others. Lol

[violet sparrow]

We could also go to the mine, then fly up to Crossroads

And especially if we can land our Mechs to help give us LOS on the ground at the crossroads

[hidden scaffold]

But Cell‘dar and Cross Roads is air only

[violet sparrow]

I thought we are all air now?

We could get their next round with speed 5

We just may not be able to land or paradrop that turn

[hidden scaffold]

It sounded to me like you meant to go to Cell‘dar let the mechs out and then go Cross Roads

[violet sparrow]

Either or. We land them next round at Cell'dar then go to crossroads the following, or we just go and take our chances

Then start landing/dropping every thing we can the following turn at Crossroads

Ah wait, the first option wouldn't work 😂

[hidden scaffold]

Yeah 😅

[violet sparrow]

Too me a second to catch up to the logic with my brain

What I really mean is wait at Cell'dar next round, then we can arrive at Crossroads the following round with extra movement to spare on arrival

[hidden scaffold]

Sounds reasonable. Maybe could even descend at Cell‘dar already to avoid potential bot orbitals at Cross Roads

[violet sparrow]

Could yeah. Wasn't even considering staying at high orbit to Crossroads

Only issue that just occurred to me: you need half your movement to drop from orbit

[hidden scaffold]

Well we will know what is there at the end of the next turn when Rabbit moves over

[violet sparrow]

So it would be in high orbit next round either over Cell'dar or Crossroads, then drop from orbit the following round with half our movement left after

Honestly if I wasn't worried about the HATs, I wouldn't mind flying to high orbit to Crossroads. Get a idea of what if anything is in high orbit there

Which come to think of it...a entire battlegroup doesn't have to be in high or low orbit together

[hidden scaffold]

If Elim Orbit gets cleaned up this turn I would tend to there since we can also collect the LS from Atlas. And they kindly offered space to land the fixed wing and maybe even have enough room for VTOLs

[violet sparrow]

They just have to be at the same strategic point. High and low orbit is considered two sides of the same point

So some fighters or whatever could scout high orbit while the rest of the group is in low orbit already

[hidden scaffold]

Hm looking at the travel distance I think we need to go Elim if we want a LS

HVTOL would need 3 movement to descend and land to collect the LS at Cell‘Dar. That would take an additional turn from Damar Station

[violet sparrow]

Cell'Dar also has some LS, if we can land to get them

In fact, you would need HATs to move them from the mine

[hidden scaffold]

Hm? Why?

[violet sparrow]

I mean unless the elevator there allows you to send that LS up to orbitals

How else do you move a LS that is on the ground already

[hidden scaffold]

HVTOL

[violet sparrow]

Did that get added to HVTOL?

[hidden scaffold]

Yup

Otherwise we would need an orbital with landing gear and cargo bays to even start building an AF

[violet sparrow]

That it is. Just saw

[hidden scaffold]

Hoover is designated to get one from Atlas

[violet sparrow]

It would be nice if we could add a thing to engineers that when they start building a Airfield, they can coordinate with a HAT to one time drop a LS on the area

Give the HATs more to do team based

But that is a after V5 idea if anything

[hidden scaffold]

Was One of the pitches

[violet sparrow]

OK, fair enough

[hidden scaffold]

Morpheus and me looked early how we could do the AF and tried asking the right questions to clarify it

[violet sparrow]

Still would be nice to go get those LS from the mine eventually 😄 unless we plan on doing something with them there

[hidden scaffold]

Hell yeah

Depending how much there is it could viable to build another AF there

Or to resupply the TFs. 212 could help them out a lot that way

[violet sparrow]

If we have a AF built at Crossroads, I say just resupplying one of the fleets or the base would be a more viable option

We don't really have the supply to support 2 AFs I feel

Though a airfield at the mine would make sense. Crossroads is more central, but the mines are just that bit harder for the bots to counterattack

Though for 212th, that really wouldn't be fair to trap our Mech there with us majority of the game lol

Our mech signed up probably figuring on Crossroads

[hidden scaffold]

Yeah though Cross Roads has also the advantage of being central. So it is also a good place for fighters to be stationed and then go where air support is needed

[violet sparrow]

With Fighter speed, distance isn't too big of a issue

[hidden scaffold]

• Dwarf Merchants has a shorter resupply route

[hidden scaffold]

Yeah but you will go at VTOL speed

[violet sparrow]

True. Unless we Sortie with certain units

[hidden scaffold]

True

Will be interesting to see if we can stockpile LS with the large supply depot

[ebon river]

Discussion is about whether to set up our base at Celldar Mine or Crossroads?

Also I’m not exactly typical for our mechs, but I was planning on being last-mile transport to places under enemy AA fire, and I can pretty close to keep pace with our fliers to provide overwatch. I could get HVTOLed in and run under them, then get picked up to evac.

The other mechs I believe signed up for escort duty or close defense- they could run along and harass anyone trying to intercept from the ground?

[violet sparrow]

Yeah. My worry was if we land at the mine, it may limit where you go or do depending

Since there is only air access to the mines

[cunning shell]

Mhm

[ebon river]

We could get airlifted in and out, but that’s a bit of a pain to organize for y’all

[grand sun]

Way I see it: Crossroad AF is priority, Cell’dar Mine AF has the main advantage of a fallback route for at least Spearhead

212th can definitely support the mine, but main base being Crossroads makes the most sense to me

[ebon river]

I wasn’t able to find rules, can we split our battlegroup? If we wanted to deliver supply or run CAP at multiple locations?

[grand sun]

Sortie…costs an LS per 10 units sent or something

[ebon river]

Seems simple enough, and we should have plenty of that

[hidden scaffold]

Isn't aerospace even specified?

[grand sun]

I think so, didn’t pay it much attention tho

🤔 could Hoover and one of the HATs use a VTOL Bay and a Flight Deck on Atlas to do a high orbit transfer of Crow from Hoover to the HAT?

[cunning shell]

Nooo

Okay then

[grand sun]

lol, just an idea I hadn’t thought about…but it’s cheaper than dropping to low orbit.

[hidden scaffold]

I mean won't that happen next turn between 95th AW and Condor? 😄

[grand sun]

If Elim is still a tac map next round, then our VTOLs couldn’t descend into low orbit next round. It’d be the round after.

[grand sun]

That’s on the Rock Station, not using an orbital. Hoover could land next round before the HAT took off.

[hidden scaffold]

Were VTOL not affected by no landing & starting in the same round?

[grand sun]

I’ll have to double check…

[chilly iris]

VTOLs are exempt from the “no landing and taking off in the same turn” rule as that only applies to aerial units with the “Atmo-Flight” tag

Which VTOLs don’t have

[violet sparrow]

Yep

Except when using a VTOL Bay on a Orbital
Which that is also when that rule applies to Atmo-Flight units to with the Flight Deck

[dapper quartz]

Looks like the Kitchen Sink was enough to take out the Bot Orbital over Elim

I wonder what sort(s) of music would be thematically appropriate for that and the accompanying ARMCO drop.

Like... my mind's going to a place that doesn't have nearly enough distorted guitar or relevant substitute.

[chilly iris]

If you’re looking for distorted guitar, what about any of Doom Eternal’s OST?

[dapper quartz]

Dunno. I don't think I've heard any of 'em.