Battlegroup 12 - Iron Hammer: Comms

[hazy radish]

unless they move towards us

ifyou just advance without getting in a building you might have the range but that'll be up to shack and his eyeballs

[rapid pond]

French, being real once your people are spotted all the bots are probably gonna mobilise to attack you

[hazy radish]

or rabbit

[rapid pond]

True

Basically, once the fighting begins don’t keep your forces isolated

I can’t really say to control ‘em, but I hope ya get what I am trying to suggest

[left thistle]

Gotcha gotcha

[rapid pond]

I mean Shack is watching you from orbit

[left thistle]

I’ll probs enter a building this turn anyway if disembarking is what we’re doing. I’d rather have the defensive bonus

[hazy radish]

Oh yeah yeah don't you worry

#1383066706724913293 message we gucci

See ? it IS funny !!

[jolly cloud]

@iron arrow Just got caught up on messages, you still looking to drop 3917?

[rigid oar]

If they do I’m ok with hunkering down in the buildings and drawing their fire if it means someone else flanks them and hits their buildings.

[left thistle]

Wait @solar bear would you be willing to rush this round? I don’t think you’d be able to hit anyone from back there even with the auto cannon upgrade. Of course totally okay if you’d rather not, I’m more than cool with rushing into a building this turn and engaging next turn

[hazy radish]

me and the boys about to flank 'em with 4 MBTs and 3 IFVs

[left thistle]

We wouldn’t be too far forward anyway most of our tanks would be in engagement range anyway

[hazy radish]

range 2~

let's see for range...

[left thistle]

-# thank you French!

[hazy radish]

(i should be doing editing but i like helping you guys)

[solar bear]

My biggest worries in rushing is that we take double damage if we get attack and we have that big ? close by...

[left thistle]

Oh wait you take double damage when rushing?

[hazy radish]

Range 2 !!!

[hazy radish]

Yes, and cannot fire

[left thistle]

Oh fuck that then

Don’t do that lmao

[hazy radish]

that's why 1 ifv rushing is risky

but all 3 ? 👀
they'd split the damage...

[left thistle]

So each when rushing would have a 50/50 to hit, assuming all three rush

And no AP

[solar bear]

My biggest concern is the big ? close by that we don't know what it is...

[hazy radish]

In my opinion it's a factory

In rabbit's opinion, ITS A PLANE

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar bear]

If that thing as a canon for exemple, if shack rolls well we can take 12/10 of damage... Even if we split is a lot...

[solar bear]

If is a plane that is worst... Damage is not split then...

[hazy radish]

You and your risk assessment.

Honnestly with the rapid ramp you could deploy from afar and get the infantry in if the other 2 ifvs agree with rushing in

[left thistle]

But, to play devils advocate for a second, with how vehicle damage works wouldn’t that just amount to 1 hit? Potentially a subsystem crit, but still a single hit.

[hazy radish]

I can't make the call for you and never will, even if I do agree rushing ifvs in is risky, if y'all wanna do it, I can't stop you 👀

[hazy radish]

and ifvs got 3 hits right ?

[left thistle]

Yep!

[hazy radish]

You guys are like the 2nd most armored base unit in armco, having 2 armor and 3 hits

Only beaten by the mbt who has 3 armor and 3 hits

[left thistle]

Even if the big thing had two guns like a medium mech, it would still be 1 hit since they’d be forced to target one of the infantry in the current rules

[hazy radish]

You're literally the most armored a taxi can get, vtols don't have that much hits nor armor, hats and logi trucks can get one shot...

If there's one unit that can take risks, it must be IFVs

But, you and your judgement.

(and your unit.)

[left thistle]

Yeah I’m fine either way you decide darkhen, just wanted to talk out the options fully

[solar bear]

I can rush to bring you closer, but I will not risk going inside and facetanking it... I can get you to the edge to the buildings...

[left thistle]

I hope I’m not making you feel pressured either way. I truly mean it when I say either option works for me

[solar bear]

Don't worry... Didn't fell pressured to do it...

[solar bear]

@left thistle what do you think??

[left thistle]

-# sorryyyy 😭

[left thistle]

That would be more than enough! I just wanted enough speed to make sure that my squad would be in range to spread the damage around

[solar bear]

Didn't* ... Can English today it seems...

[hazy radish]

(don't sob chinderella, he always ends his sentences with "...", it's his brazilian nature)

[solar bear]

Then that set... After work I post my order with RP...

[hazy radish]

can't english indeed

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/hue-hue-shout-angry-gif-14481014

[hazy radish]

cursed gif

[solar bear]

-# I did the joke, but god I hate this thing...

[rigid oar]

Be the change you want to see in the world. Kill it.

[iron arrow]

Yep if it's fune with you

[left thistle]

Oh phew… in that case! Thank you for the lift!

[jolly cloud]

Yeah fo sho. Are you wanting to set down on top of that hill (kinda northwest part of 3917), or are you wanting to be closer to the buildings/somewhere else?

[hazy radish]

HE WANTS TO DIE HONORABLY IN BATTLE !!!!!

[iron arrow]

I'm not sure it matters so just the center is fine

[iron arrow]

I do not intend to die this day

[fluid viper]

We have help from the south coming anyway.

Rabbit is sending 2 Mechs up to help us and the rest of their group probably will be a bigger worry for the bots in town.

So long as they don't get mauled we are in good shape.

[winter dragon]

Can i move from 3716 to 3817 with 1 speed?

[iron arrow]

If someone made a gif of pratal mox saying that I would be very grateful

[hazy radish]

no, you'll need to rush to do so

rushing allows you to gain one more movement YAY

BUT

You will take twice as much damage and cannot fire that turn

[neat fossil]

Well rush doubles the damage taken while the splitting thing splits the attacks, so if an IFV got hit while rushing, it would take 2 hits of damage.

[hazy radish]

fuck he's right 😅

[winter dragon]

I think i am gonna move to 3717

[neat fossil]

Gotta be careful with rush. One of the side campaigns died horribly because of too much rushing.

[rapid pond]

Which one?

I wasn’t able to keep track of all of ‘em

[neat fossil]

Scrimshaw. They ended up with no logi so they rushed alot and got shot badly.

[rapid pond]

Oh…

[neat fossil]

I don’t think the channel got archived but the Red Press article covers it a bit.

[rigid oar]

But on the other hand would rushing into 3817 bring enough fire to kill all of the IFV's? Also what are the rules of what happens to the unit an IFV is carrying if the IFV gets downed? I assume they die?

[neat fossil]

We can’t shoot when we’re rushing sadly. And to answer your question, iirc carried units die if the carrier dies.

[hazy radish]

death, the imminent kind

[rigid oar]

Thats what i thought. Also yeah i know we cant shoot while rushing but i don't think we can shoot from IFV's anyways. Its either rush, survive, dismbark, shoot back or dismbark at 3717, and move into 3817 and 3918 slowly. Rushing saves a turn?

[neat fossil]

It would save a turn. It may also come with a nice serving of death depending on enemy strength.

You’d probably also need to spend a fair amount of extra time repairing your vehicles too.

[rigid oar]

For as much as I love my daily serving of death for a balanced diet I’m starting to think maybe we should slow? IDK I’m still tempted and if we get in early we will be better at drawing fire so others can flank better. Plus ideally we get cover bonus for moving through the town.

Also if we don’t rush we leave Ajax to die

[feral ivy]

You fall asleep for a few hours, and look what happens

[solar bear]

With the IFVs rushing the infantry can just advance to position...

[neat fossil]

Couldn’t you just drive the IFVs in like a normal person?

[rigid oar]

Not if we are in the ifv

Thought that was the whole point?

[solar bear]

They don't have the speed or the equipment to do that and deploy the infantry...

[rigid oar]

I guess the inf could double time behind the IFV's so the IFV's could draw fire?

Just throw them to the wolves?

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-soldier-soldier-meet-the-team-gif-5973890219255947351

[solar bear]

Yes you can... 0.5 to disembark and 0.25 to enter a building...

[neat fossil]

It takes an action (0.5 speed) to unload infantry. So you’d get 1.5 speed to go places under advance.

[rapid pond]

Misconception

It doubles your movement speed

Not your speed

So he’d still have 0.5 speed to move around with, it’s just that he can walk a full hex

[neat fossil]

I think of it as moving with rush being half cost

[solar bear]

What I'm saying is that the IFV rush to the closest building, the infantry disembark and enter the building on advance...

[rigid oar]

Yes. So if the IFV has 2 move, goes down to 1.5 when dropping INF, then double that to get 3 which is the actuall amount of hex's they can move if they rush

[rapid pond]

That should be correct

[rigid oar]

Drop off INF at 3717 and they advance into 3817 and fire on 3918?

That sounds pretty good to me

[feral ivy]

I'm good with that too

[rigid oar]

How much move does it take an INF to dismbark? .25?

[rapid pond]

0.5

0.25 to enter/exit buildings

[solar bear]

Unless the IFV have the ramp upgrade 0.5...

[rapid pond]

I dunno if anyone has that rn

[rigid oar]

So it takes 0.5 move for both the IFV and the INF to dismbark

[rapid pond]

So I’m using base numbers

[solar bear]

I have...

[rapid pond]

Btw remember I am just here as I am bored, I will bring some info I think is correct, but I won’t stop you doing anything unless if I deem the maths wrong

Oh, good for you

[rigid oar]

If that is the case doesnt dismbarking at 3717 mean we wouldnt be able to advance till next turn unless we rushed anyways?

[rapid pond]

You can still move half a hex

Rushing just means you move an entire hex in distance

in this context

[rigid oar]

Intersting? I thought you could only move by hex but i guess not?

[hazy radish]

(ocdt becoming the new frenchboi while i get video editing)

[solar bear]

I at work at the moment... The moment I finish here a draw a quick map...

[rapid pond]

Hex is just what is used to measure stuff tbh (and ensure stuff fits)

[rigid oar]

Yeah i mean im more used to like grid situations where you are either in a square or not and if you move you move in increments of squares, ie no moving half a square. I was not aware that you can just move, half a square.

Or in this case half a hex

[rapid pond]

There’s only some rules with movement orders, but none really apply to inf

[rigid oar]

Rushing in the IFV still has the benifit of dismbark, hold, dig in.

[rapid pond]

Nah

Hate to be that guy again, but if ya wanna dig in for 2 defence, you need to not move at all

[rigid oar]

Yeah i just saw that.

[left thistle]

Aside from dig in, the IFVs rushing means the inf can get into good positions this round

[rigid oar]

Though to be fair they should reword dig in to say that it cost 1 speed. Only inf can use dig in and all inf only have 1 speed

[rapid pond]

Well…

Turns to PAI

[left thistle]

If they drop us off at the edge of 3817, we’d still have enough movement to enter buildings that are close enough to engage the stuff at 3918

[rapid pond]

oh nvm

They have 1 S

I swear it was more

[neat fossil]

I mean, all your movement is all your movement. Also who knows if Shack might add a refit that’s faster. Its more flexible this way.

[rigid oar]

They also cant dig in? I believe they where nerfed

[left thistle]

Nope, honestly I’m struggling to figure out what the role is for PAI aside from being a slightly mobile heavy weapons platform

[rapid pond]

Ah yeah they did do that

I mean they still get the buff of defence

[hazy radish]

https://tenor.com/view/dacia-top-gear-james-good-news-great-news-gif-16523018

The new Dacia Phalanxero is coming with us !

Uh I mean, Phalanx is comin' with.

[neat fossil]

Very compact heavy firepower. They take 3 FS and are almost IFVs in their survivability and firepower.

[hazy radish]

Something for ol' james to think about @odd lake 👀

[rigid oar]

Well the questions is all your movement possible your all you movement at the current time. Also it says movement not speed. If it said "Dig in cost the max speed a unit has" or something like that would also make sense. I know its more of a nitpick but when it comes to clarity its better spell stuff out, especially if some people play this outside of the public events we do here.

[rigid oar]

Easy. Big Armor Cool.

[left thistle]

Yeah I guess they really start coming into their own with upgrades. Base PAI seems pretty weak, esp since FS decreases on hit (tho only one at a time since it’s also technically a vehicle?)

[neat fossil]

Eh, fair enough. That’s why we clarify things.

[left thistle]

Fair enough lol

[rigid oar]

I mean part of the reason why people pick the units they do is cus they think they are cool. I mean im sure their are plenty of people who want to run totally not space marines, or totally not steel brother hood, or totally not spartans and PAI is the way to do that.

[neat fossil]

Yeah, they use hits like vehicles and when they take a hit they lose an FS.

[feral ivy]

Legally distinct PAI

[rigid oar]

Exactly

[left thistle]

Oh yeah ik a big portion of it is role playing lol, this is just my inner min-maxer coming out a bit

[left thistle]

Is it max one fs a turn?

That’s the thing I’m confused about

[neat fossil]

One FS per hit. Just like how when a tank gets attacked, it only loses one hit per attack that does damage to it.

[left thistle]

Oh then yeah they are wayyy tankier than I thought

[rigid oar]

No i get that. I was originally thinking about building into PAI when i was deciding my like "flavor" but i couldn't really see their usefulness past a non upgrade vehicle so i decided steer away from it.

[left thistle]

Esp since they’d still hold on to their heavy weapon until they’re fully wiped

[rigid oar]

IDK i might be swinging back to them since people here are praising them. I was told they are so tanky they cant dig in because it made them unkillable.

[left thistle]

Exactly my reasoning lol. I want to run PAI for the flavor, but part of my enjoyment in this game comes from being impactful so I’m trying to figure out the niche they’d be able to fill and fill well

[neat fossil]

A while back we had a really stupid idea where we’d have a RHAT BG with engis and a crapton of PAI since you can fit 6 PAI per RHAT. It’d give us a 6 speed BG that could land anywhere, anytime and wreak havoc.

[rigid oar]

I think the main thing that gets me is that they are so EXPENSIVE. Like 1 req for the INF squad, 3 req to refit it, and 3 req for any of the weapons, barring melee weapons.

Also on the subject they should get like a bonus to their melee roll or something if they bring melee weapons.

[left thistle]

Can PAI airdrop without the jumppacks? Bc that would be hilarious

[rigid oar]

Technically i think yes?

They are infantry, have the key word, and dont have anything saying they cant.

[left thistle]

Or honestly if the shields gave them a flat armor bonus as opposed to only in melee

[neat fossil]

Sadly not. :(
At least we can drop the engis and build a temp airfield to land them all instead.

[rigid oar]

Wait why not?

[left thistle]

Ah man

Is it bc they are technically vehicles as well?

[odd lake]

wat?

[hazy radish]

this :P

[odd lake]

oh

[left thistle]

Yeah like after this op I could fully kit out a light mech with an auto cannon, internal jump jets, and an ammo pack. And have a really impactful unit all in one go

[rigid oar]

Honestly they should probably be moved to their own unit (and just change the initial cost to 3) so that you can balance them more specifically.

[odd lake]

also, whats wrong with my order?

`Unit Callsign: GP
Unit Type: Logi

Order Type: Hold
Movement/Action Tracker:
-Await further developments from frontline units

Starting Coords: In formation with Battlegroup Iron Hammer
**Ending Coords: **3716

Specific to your unit:
-[carrying & tracking supplies] 8 small supply/2 slots
-[supply consumed this turn] 0 small supply
Facing: South

Roleplay:
Exerpt from the personal journal of Jonathanan 'Jim' of kiith Yakumo
"There may not be as much sand here as back home but it is no less cold. Or dead."`

[neat fossil]

The upgrade specifically gives them the ability to paradrop, so they don’t have it at base. I’m assuming its because they’re big hunks of metal, parachutes aren’t going to help much with that landing.

[hazy radish]

Oh, because we're moving due to the tactical map technically you're advancing not holding ?

I think that's why someone did a red cross on it

i wasn't sure myself but it sounds legit

[left thistle]

My thoughts too. I think they’re just a tad too expensive for what your getting, esp since a whole ass mbt and any refit you could want is cheaper 😂

[odd lake]

ok, i'll fix that and repost

[rigid oar]

That sucks cus taking that means you cant take any heavy weapon except light laser cannon and ballistic shields

[rigid oar]

Their expensive AND a lot of their upgrades stop you from getting any of their other upgrades. Cant have an auto cannon and a jump pack. Cant have melee weapons and heavy machine gun.

[left thistle]

Yeahhhh

[neat fossil]

Yeah, that’s why a hypothetical PAI RHAT BG would mainly rely on engis landing and building a temp airfield first to deploy, maybe with some cover from a few jump jet PAI

[neat fossil]

Yeah, that feels kinda sad for PAI, not gonna lie.

[left thistle]

The one role where I think they’d shine quite well imo is in a scout force, esp since they can fit into light vehicles. Give them the LRMs and a light laser (which we would be like 4 campaigns away from being able to afford 😭) and they’d be able to bring some quite heavy firepower to a force that might struggle against armor and air

[rigid oar]

It just feels like another tax ya know? Their expensive, their upgrades lock each other out, they cant deploy until a turn later then everyone else UNLESS they get the upgrade that also locks them out of getting most of the heavy weapons which is the whole reason to get PAI.

[left thistle]

I think the biggest issue with them is just how expensive they become if your trying to kit them into being actually impactful

[neat fossil]

Well, most of the time we’re not jumping out of planes, so that’s not too big a dealbreaker. The weapons thing sucks though.

[left thistle]

Otherwise it’s just at most 3 damage a turn that takes a full small supply to heal up when injured

Without the added benefit of being able to dig in too 😭

[neat fossil]

Its a micro IFV.

[rigid oar]

Which is way more expensive then an IFV

[neat fossil]

Anyhow I must away to bed. Nice chatting with you, Hammers.
-# its 1am

[rigid oar]

For the same cost of just making an PAI you can get an IFV with Twin Snub Heavy Machine Gun Turret and Rapid Ramp Deployment

[rigid oar]

Good night

[left thistle]

Night!

[hazy radish]

...so did we decide on ifv plans then ?

[left thistle]

I think the plan of rush to the edge of 3817 and disgorge the infantry to push towards 3918 is still in effect

[hazy radish]

okay, sweet

[willow epoch]

Hey Hammers, hope to see you all in Crossroads

Let’s make sure as many of us make it the end of the campaign, yeah?

[hazy radish]

Oh you bet

Last Iron Hammer only had the one casualty.

Sadly, despite multiple pings, he has not come back for this campaign. And yet, he was instrumental in C3, and his sacrifice has been (in my opinion) forgotten by most.

Sky81 died while running in the citadel, allowing Turtle II to do the full run for the airfield and cancel the ennemy's supply reinforcements, allowing for a quicker end to the campaign.

He walked so Turtle II could run. 😭

[willow epoch]

More like he got shot so turtle II could run, his sacrifice should be honoured

When are we getting the Sky81 memorial brigade?

[muted eagle]

I ain't confident in my chances

The dice said the VTOL I'm in is gonna get shot down

[solar bear]

He will always be remembered...

[willow epoch]

Hey look on the bright side, maybe that means the VTOL I’m in won’t get shot down

[muted eagle]

Dying so Jarn can survive? Hmm... Nah, I'm less of a fan of that idea :P

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

God dammit Vivian...

[hazy radish]

Soon enough...

[rapid pond]

Wanna bet on it?

[muted eagle]

Hmm... Sure

[willow epoch]

I see how it is

Thought you were a medic

[solar bear]

Don't... Please...

[rapid pond]

Jarn, us medics and engineers gotta think about self-preservation at times

[hazy radish]

God, not gambling again

[willow epoch]

Medicae delelenda est

[solar bear]

Don't encourage her addiction...

[rapid pond]

Oh I thought you meant, don’t root for the enemy
:p

[muted eagle]

I just decided to put it in google translate for the fun of it

[rapid pond]

Nice to see that isn’t banned yet

[willow epoch]

Translate is not a realisable tool, especially with Latin

[muted eagle]

I know

That's why I said for the fun of it :p

[willow epoch]

Smh

[rapid pond]

Tbh the translation makes it funnier

[muted eagle]

I noticed Jarn put in one more l and e than there should be

[willow epoch]

Yeah, cause delelenda sounds funnier

[muted eagle]

Fair enough

[rapid pond]

Tbh it does

[muted eagle]

I prefer the translation of "It should be deleted by the doctors" tbh

Just sounds funnier

[solar bear]

The medic with a pistol on a killing spree...

That is funny...

[dim plaza]

Soo do the IFV now rush or not ? i am off from work so i have more time

[hazy radish]

I think yes, if i've followed correctly ?

[iron arrow]

Can i dig in after spending the 0,5 disembark cost?

[hazy radish]

I don't think so, earlier it was mentionned digging in takes your whole movement

[iron arrow]

fuck

[hazy radish]

yup

[iron arrow]

no cover gaming then

[hazy radish]

yuuuuuuuup.

[glad hedge]

Cato the Elder fan spotted

[solar bear]

@left thistle Just finish with my work... Do you have a name for the squad lead for your unit?? Writing the RP...

[left thistle]

The squad’s got a handler that does by the codename, Regent

That’d probs be best for RP purposes

[solar bear]

Ok...

@left thistle #1385617845831995402 message Order in...

[left thistle]

Will get mine in after work. Gonna work with your RP 😉

[hazy radish]

and spiritually take cover
good one @iron arrow 🤣

#1385617845831995402 message @solar bear gonna have to shoot you down chief, that is too far

First time that I have to shoot someone for going too far 🤣

With the speed you have left you can go to the other side of 3716, the one you're on, but no further

OH WAIT NO YOURE UNDER RUSH

NVMNVM

FUCK

CANT FUCKING READ 🤣 🤣 🤣

[left thistle]

-# lmaoooooo

[hazy radish]

See, this is why the order type should be in fucking BOLD 🤣 🤣

Omg sorry Darkhen 😅

@muted eagle even putting the ✅ right after me

shoveling more dirt onto my tomb

[muted eagle]

:p

7 more orders to go

Today was a hell of a lot calmer

[hazy radish]

Yeah, everything seems calm when compared to turn 4

less problems to worry about.

[muted eagle]

Yep

[hazy radish]

Next turn will be more problematic as we'll normally close in with other BGs onto the "main city" of crossroads

[muted eagle]

Figuring out deployment logistics is hard

[hazy radish]

• phalanx & bot reinforcements

so we'll see

[muted eagle]

Yeah

[hazy radish]

what's phalanx comp anyways ?

Hm.

So...

[left thistle]

Starting to understand why the calls themselves phalanx 😂

[hazy radish]

All infantry.

3 scouts
2 MBTs
4 IFVs

[hazy radish]

Boy oh boy yeah 🤣

Now I wouldn't wanna be late with that comp.

[left thistle]

Wait can they even reach us next turn?

[hazy radish]

turn 7

[left thistle]

They are 100% speed 1 no?

Ahhhhhh

[hazy radish]

yes

they'll be reinforcements turn 7

[left thistle]

So who’s coming in next round?

[hazy radish]

for turn 6 they go L-H
turn 7 Crossroads
Just like us

[left thistle]

Just us and rabbit?

[hazy radish]

atlas overheard, 212th, flying shovels ?

[left thistle]

Gotcha gotcha

So two logi/engineering bgs. Us, rabbit and whatever atlas decides to throw down?

[hazy radish]

Mm.

[left thistle]

You mbts are gonna have to do a lot of heavy lifting if those large contacts turn out to be enemy armor lol

[hazy radish]

You betcha !

I'll cling on my MBT as long as I can, even if it's not advantageous, I play what I want, and i wanaplay mbt :)

(it's also why I made a new BG in C3, Iron Hammer, if you didn't hear of the lore of it already)

[hazy radish]

confirm flying shovels

[muted eagle]

I'll just be sitting back in the cosy seat of the VTOL, opening armcomon lootboxes, while you all risk your lives in the front lines :p

[left thistle]

Bahaha good. It saves you the agony of budgeting out how to upgrade your units lol

[left thistle]

After the healing you gave me this round, you deserve it

[hazy radish]

looks at the order tracker

we're only missing 7 ?

@sleek cedar @left thistle @lost elk @sour flame @dim plaza @winter dragon @ivory goblet

Hello hello !

Your orders are due in around 4 hours from when this message has been posted !

We have most of our plans figured right now, don't hesitate to ask us if you need help, there's a few pins and we can catch you up to speed !

[iron arrow]

RP Post

https://tenor.com/view/hoth-empire-strikes-back-position-gif-17468565

As the 9th takes their positions Wrede breaks the silence
''Hey August did you watch that movie I sent you?''
''Wha- ..t-there wasn't enough time before deployment, now shut up''
''Lying really isn't your strong suit'' ''Okay fine I watched it, but shut up!''
''So.. how was it? did you cry when Beza died?''
''...I may or may not have'' ''I knew it! there's a sequel to it to,, you want me to send you that?''
''...We shou-...Y-Yes''
''See, August I always get you the best movies, now get your shit together Second-Lieutenant Marwitz! We've got contacts to our front and I can't have you getting distracted on my watch!''
August lets out a dejected sigh

[sour flame]

@hazy radish got the order in

[rough granite]

"Wake up my peasants,, and squares for soon you shall see my gloryes incandescent win us the battle to come."

"With the money ill get from this conflict I'll buy my dog a third mansion"

[left thistle]

In

[feral ivy]

Query. Should I update my order to reflect the new idea to charge in?

[left thistle]

Answer: probably, yeah

Double check with your ifv tho first

[solar bear]

If you want to join the assault, yes...

[dim plaza]

i am just doing my order

So i should be hidden behind buildings

[feral ivy]

You look pretty well covered from what I saw

[muted eagle]

@sleek cedar Digging in artillery is an action, no? So you'd be using 1.5 speed, while you only have 1 😅

[sleek cedar]

"Primary Actions are actions that can only be taken once per round and use up any attack that unit would have done if it was able. If you do an action that's labeled “Primary Action” your unit can not attack. This action does not use speed." Is from the rules about actions. "Action: Dig In: Unit gains +2 Defense. This uses all of the unit's total movement and is the core feature of infantry. This stacks with other defense sources.." Is from the Infantry rules. And "Engineers can Dig Artillery in, increasing Defense Stat +2 when deployed" which is from the Arty rules but not listed as an action. There is no specification that this is a primary action or just an action so I am a little confused as to how I can treat it. All infantry can use their primary action to upgrade a sandbag to a trench so I am trying to interpret the dig in for the arty as an "upgrade" to their position lol If that doesn't fly thats fine, but would that mean I can upgrade the sandbags I deploy into a trench since that is labelled specifcally as a primary action?

[hazy radish]

engineers digging arty in is an action, not a speed, no ?

scratches head

[muted eagle]

Actions take 0.5 speed

[hazy radish]

Oh, true.

[sleek cedar]

Thats my interpretation. Unless they would want me to run to an arty, wait a turn, dig them in and wait a turn, then leave.

[sleek cedar]

But is this consider a primary action, which the rules say does not take speed?

[hazy radish]

Tbh, I think you're better off just digging the arty in and not building sandbags

All the infantries are up south in the village in 3817

[muted eagle]

It is not labelled as a primary action

So no

[hazy radish]

You'd be building sandbags for either:
Our current MBTs
Phalanx's future units
For fallback if we ever fuck up majorly/have a big problem

But if you still wanna do it, as for the ruling, uhm... 🤔

[sleek cedar]

But to vivan's point, if digging in is all speed, i can't dismount and dig them in since i need all speed

[hazy radish]

#1383066706724913293 message <- I should have asked to get this pinned, but this is the plans rn I think

[muted eagle]

Yeah, I think you would have to wait until next turn

[hazy radish]

Action: Dig In: Unit gains +2 Defense. This uses all of the unit's total movement and is the core feature of infantry. This stacks with other defense sources..

Oh yeah

Shit.

So an engi digging in someone else would take all the engi's speed too right ?

That'd make sense

[muted eagle]

I imagine so

However I think you could construct a sandbag line and immediately turn it into a trench?

Since upgrading to trench is a primary action

[hazy radish]

..the trench upgrade is a primary action ?

you sure?

[hazy radish]

...but in engineer it doesn't say it's a primary action

this is a bit confusing

[muted eagle]

Idk

This shit is confusing

[hazy radish]

RULES LAWYERING BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[sleek cedar]

I think all engi are considered inf

[hazy radish]

I hate to see it.

[muted eagle]

They are

[hazy radish]

I swear I wonder if we've had more rules lawyering in other BGs...

[sleek cedar]

I'm not trying to be the bad guy lol just want to be effective and not do the bad things

[hazy radish]

Yes yes no, I don't blame you that's okay 🤣

It's just, I've had so many cases of rules lawyering in turn 4 I swear we could rename this BG "Iron Attorney" and it'd work

And also, this case today... 🤣

If we don't have a ruling i'll extend the deadline for you 'till you have to sleep/go to work/something

And if we don't have a ruling... errr... well... shit.

[sleek cedar]

We are hammers, we are meant to break and beat things up. Hammering out the finer details

[muted eagle]

I think for now:
Dig in uses all your speed
Upgrading to trench is primary action

[sleek cedar]

If it gets close to go time Ill resubmit with the more conservative understanding that Vivian has highlighted above

[hazy radish]

I think yeah, that makes sense from what we can get from the rules.

Throwing this in meta-comm aswell...

[muted eagle]

Yeah, even if the dig in didn't use all the speed, you still wouldn't have enough speed since it's an action, still using 0.5 speed 😅

Which you used for the sandbag line

[rapid pond]

Being real… I think ‘digging in’ an arty unit is deemed an action
-# But eh, Shack didn’t really write an answer for this, and I ain’t qualified for this shite

I just mean it as Shack never gave engineers an primary action… plus to turn a sandbag into a trench takes an engineers’ action

But as I said, I ain’t the guy who determines the rules

So do you, until Shack comes around

[sleek cedar]

I would end up up switching to digging in the arty if its determined to be an action and not do sandbags so they can survive. I was just interpreting it as a primary action similar to upgrading a trench which we established doesn't use speed

[hazy radish]

I'm too stupid to do rules lawyering tonight, I trust in Vivian's judgement

[sleek cedar]

I'm going to be hanging out next to arty as security and as a fall back for damaged vics so it gives me a nice cozy (safe) home

[hazy radish]

"a nice cozy (safe) home"

oh that's cool, a nice little ho-

CONSUL

WATCH OUT

PHALANX IS COMING WITH THEIR 200 INFANTRIES

NO YOUR LITTLE HOME

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/fred-flintstone-the-flintstones-clones-stampede-aliens-gif-17521409

[sleek cedar]

Resubmitted with the more agreed upon interpretation that it is an action.

[muted eagle]

Just c.wombat to go

[hazy radish]

at the eleventh hour, he'll be there

[muted eagle]

Yeah

And unfortunately I will not really be able to help with the map much tomorrow

[hazy radish]

That's alright, I should be okay this turn

[muted eagle]

I'm visiting another town and well... I'll be back at like, 7pm 😅

[hazy radish]

step 1: Put formation map together

step 2: put who's going where after the formation's arrived

Step 3:: boopdaboop map done

[rapid pond]

Anyhow

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211454073383952395/1382394826967748679/space-marine-space-marine-2.gif

-# Fuck da rules of combat

[muted eagle]

True

[rapid pond]

I mean Storm is a full airborne battalion basically

And we don’t give a crap about AA

[hazy radish]

i think i'm a smidge tired

I was about to say "we don't care either we have no air assets"

the vtols & hvtol would have looked at me reaaaaaaaaaal mean for the next few days...

[rapid pond]

French… don’t make me get Warmongerer a hammer which has a mechanic to increase the power behind the blow

[muted eagle]

Me too

[rapid pond]

Or else he’ll just start clubbing you at this rate

[hazy radish]

Warmongerer would be more interested in how the hammer worked then on making the hammer work on someone...

[rapid pond]

Ehh I never reveal my secrets ;]

[muted eagle]

We should give all our medics two hammers

[rapid pond]

Good luck finding my ship the S’axark Ezonire bish…
-# Oh shit it’s still in tatters

[hazy radish]

@lost elk Only your order missing !

[rapid pond]

French why are you up at 11:30 pm?

[muted eagle]

Go to sleep French

[hazy radish]

could be worse

i could be up at 3am

[rapid pond]

I only know your time as you leaked it in a post

[muted eagle]

I ain't asking, go to sleep :p

[rapid pond]

Trust me French I commonly for some god damn reason speak to those people

[hazy radish]

Nooooooooooooo.

[rapid pond]

Vivian

[hazy radish]

I'm fiiine :P

[rapid pond]

You might need to give him a white flag

-# Also I’m going to bed in like 13 minutes at most since I’m an hour behind our popular Frenchman here

[muted eagle]

I'll probably be in bed in half an hour

[rapid pond]

Are we all EU?

[muted eagle]

So I'll be up long enough to close the orders

I ain't in the EU :p

But I am in europe

[rapid pond]

EU as europe

I ain’t in the European Union either

[muted eagle]

I wish I was in the EU :(

[rapid pond]

UK?

[muted eagle]

Yep

[rapid pond]

Kinda the first one what comes to mind as it’s the only one I know isn’t in the EU

I don’t keep track of politics

[hazy radish]

:O

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HATE EACH OTHER !

[rapid pond]

I still remember bloody brexit, yet it has been like 5 fucking years

French… I’m also british

[hazy radish]

GET ME SWORD HAMMER, I HAVE SOME BRI'ISH TO FOIGHT !

[hazy radish]

oh bugger

[muted eagle]

I think the ones not in the EU but are in Europe include:
Russia
Belarus
Norway
Switzerland
Serbia
Bosnia
Kosovo
Ukraine

[rapid pond]

Russia is Eurasian

[muted eagle]

You're outnumbered French!

[rapid pond]

I don’t count that one

[hazy radish]

D:

[rapid pond]

Give me da fucking longbow

Let’s snipe this pillock

[hazy radish]

Hold on

[muted eagle]

I personally count it since it's more european that it is asian

[hazy radish]

Syntax typing.

Guys, act like we're serious and discussing battleplans

[steady zephyr]

Wow this definitely a detour from reading last minute orders 😄

[hazy radish]

gotta act good in front of other BGs

[hazy radish]

I don't see what you mean, we're totally up to big plans !

[rapid pond]

I ain’t in your BG buddy

[muted eagle]

Trust me, this is important

[steady zephyr]

honrary member of the gambling dent

[rapid pond]

Acting like I am somehow a grand strategist for you is the biggest lie ever

[muted eagle]

I don't think this is your BG either

[hazy radish]

@mighty osprey used to be our big strategist...

Until she had to leave for 212th 😭

[rapid pond]

Man, could you not ping everyone whenever ya want to mention ‘em?

[muted eagle]

*She :p

[steady zephyr]

I mean outside influence help around here. I helped with the formation

[rapid pond]

Fair

[hazy radish]

She ?

FUCK SHE

I ALWAYS FORGET

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rapid pond]

I’m just here to chat or nitpick

[muted eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/laverne-and-shirley-funny-cool-gif-27491810

[hazy radish]

(edited it)

[rapid pond]

Don’t tell me ya also call Joan d’arc a “he”

[hazy radish]

Nah, I like to ping people when I mention them. Especially if it's for credit, or if it's because I don't see them often in our comms or in meta-comm.

Brings some interaction with some fun peeps. :D

[hazy radish]

1. Jeanne*
2. no don't worry

[rapid pond]

Ah yeah it’s that

[hazy radish]

I'm just really bad with pronouns and I just assume everyone's a he, especially in link to usernames...

[rapid pond]

I don’t remember historical names da best

French, whenever I try to talk ‘bout people I just use plural

But eh I guess it’s more awkward when every word in your own language has a gender

[muted eagle]

Yeah, getting into a habit of just saying "they" is generally a good idea

[muted eagle]

And that's fair

[rough granite]

do we need to give new orders or is this jest for seeing results

[rapid pond]

If ya already handed in a valid order you should be fine

French has pinged the 1 person who hasn’t given an order

[solar bear]

He is not out number... We brazilians have some things to discuss with the brits "Loads the shotgun"

[hazy radish]

You're good with your order

[rapid pond]

Oh shite

Vivian, do ya have any grapeshot?

[hazy radish]

I like how you call everyone else peasants too 🤣

[rapid pond]

Well they probably are roleplaying a Lord

[muted eagle]

No

[rapid pond]

So why can’t you just do the equivalent of a medieval lord and call everyone broke?

[muted eagle]

But I do have knowledge of physics

You got any uranium or something?

[rapid pond]

… Does it look like the UK has a secret store of elephant’s foot?

[muted eagle]

No...

[rapid pond]

That’s your answer

I mean… We could just ehh pulls out obsidian knife
Are you a geologist?

[muted eagle]

Unfortunately not

[rapid pond]

No not you

I have. a great tutorial for killing geologists

[muted eagle]

True

They aren't real scientists anyway

[rapid pond]

https://youtu.be/NuyZ-ExYkpQ?feature=shared

It’s a great tutorial as those fools only see rocks

Anyhow, let’s pray these bots don’t secretly have SH mechs

[muted eagle]

Yeah

[muted eagle]

Actually... I know the perfect weapon, if we assume that french is nobility, then we just get the guillotines out!

[rapid pond]

So trueee

[solar bear]

Wait... I just remembered about the Lobster War... @hazy radish you are on your own...

[hazy radish]

noooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[muted eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/revolution-guillotine-marie-antoinette-off-with-their-heads-behead-gif-12604431

[solar bear]

I hereby sentence Frenchboi The Great King, the Imperishable, Khemrikhara, The Great King of France, King of Kings, Opener of the Way, Wielder of the Divine Flame, Punisher of Nomads, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Legion, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, Father of Hawks, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Worlds, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Ptra, High Steward of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Vitae, Sentinel of the Two Realms, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Faithless, Carrion-feeder, First of the Charnel Valley, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Vermin, Champion of the Death Arena, Mighty Lion of the Infinite Plains, He Who Holds The Sceptre, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Emperor of Talan, Waker of the Hierotitan, Monarch of the Sky, Majestic Emperor of the Shifting Sands, Champion of God, Breaker of the English Clans, Builder of the Great Pyramid, Terror of the Living, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Necropolises, Taker of Souls, Tyrant to the Foolish, Bearer of Ptra's Holy Blade, Scion of Usirian, Scion of Nehek, The Great, Chaser of Nightmares, Keeper of the Royal Herat, Founder of the Mortuary Cult, Banisher of the Grand Hierophant, High Lord Admiral of the Deathfleets, Guardian of the Charnal Pass, Tamer of the Liche King, Dismisser of the Warrior Queen, Charioteer of the Gods, He Who Does Not Serve, Slayer off Reddittras, Scarab Purger, Favoured of God, Player of the Great Game, Liberator of Life, Lord Sand, Wrangler of Scorpions, Emperor of the Dunes, Eternal Sovereign of Frances Legions, Seneschal of the Great Alpine Mountains, Curserer of the Living, Slayer of the Britons, Master of the Foxbats, Grand Hammer General... To death...

[muted eagle]

And clearly I should ascend to the throne in his place

[hazy radish]

D:

[solar bear]

Soo Vivian is next on the chopping box...

[muted eagle]

I am not french and so do not have such weakness to guillotines

[solar bear]

You do have a weakness to old colonies...

[muted eagle]

-# Shhhh

[hazy radish]

oh how this chat has verred off sideways when we stopped talking about orders 🤣

What would be Iron Hammer without the constant off topic jokes lol

added in turn number for closing & opening orders :P

gonna listen to the voice of reason tho, i'm falling asleep on me chair

Good night gents, I'll get started on the tac-map in around 12 hours from now.

[muted eagle]

-# I may or may not be giving myself a title

[hazy radish]

@lost elk if you wanna get your order in, you got a few hours left 👀

[muted eagle]

Damn, guess no goodnight for me then :(

:p

[hazy radish]

oh

AH

ZFEFMZELFZEK

DANGIT

lemme restart

Good night

>>LADIES<<

and gentlemen.

[muted eagle]

Goodnight French

-# Try not to get executed in your sleep

-# I mean what?

[thorn sand]

Executed? We have assassins for that…

Executioners are casual plebians at the art of killing.

[neat fossil]

Hey what about the genderless sentient hiveminds in the room like Blob?
-# I couldn’t resist

[steady zephyr]

oh jeez I saw the title again

[hazy radish]

"I'm tired I should sleep"
Also me at 1:30am in my bed, awake.

[glad hedge]

I go away for 1 day and already you guys are guillotining people

[neat fossil]

Do you need me to teleport to France, break into your house and knock you out?

[hazy radish]

Sorry, force of habit.

[hazy radish]

No, no... Thank you for worrying about my in existent sleep schedule tho

[fluid viper]

Hey French let me know if you need any help with the map in the morning.

[mighty osprey]

Sorry boss

[rigid oar]

NOOOOOO IM ONLY GONE FOR A FEW HOURS AND FRENCH DIES??????

[mighty osprey]

French DIED!?

[left thistle]

Yep! He followed the long and vaunted tradition of all French rulers… and was guillotine’d

[mighty osprey]

so we killed him or did he die in the mission

[left thistle]

Oh no we “killed” him lol

His tank is doing just fine!

[mighty osprey]

ok ok

thats fine then

[muted eagle]

Smh

Hmm... I'm just thinking of ways an orbital could work in a BG... What if you had like, a light freighter with flight decks

It could land on the ground and you could use it as an airfield

[hazy radish]

Fuck you scared me midrounds were up an I died

[hazy radish]

Then I read this

Heart attack averted

[rapid pond]

Lel

At least we got our vengeance against the dastardly French

-# In all seriousness my dislike of the French is purely theatrical for the bit

[hazy radish]

Think i'll be good for this one thanks :D

[hazy radish]

-# obviously

[hazy radish]

washing dishes for today and i'll get to it in an hour and a half or so

[rigid oar]

Sorry for giving you a scare French! Also good morning iron hammer!

[hazy radish]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-scary-jumpscare-meme-funny-gif-25838955

live frenchboi reaction

...big question btw

do we like

know what we're doing after crossroads ?

Like I remember putting in "oh yeah crossroads babyyyyyyyy" as an objective but after that... uhm... I didn't think it through much.

[rigid oar]

I guess it depends on how much we think the crossroads is going to get counter attacked once we take it

[hazy radish]

true

gonna depend on the situation with venator, who wanna go to ziyal, dwarf fortress, etc

we'll see where we're needed

[steady zephyr]

Oh wow for once actual planning when I have look here 😂

[south ether]

It depends on the bots fleet and ground situation and bot production rate

We know of 3bc and 1.25 destroyer?

[hazy radish]

Rare actual planning in Iron Hammer, take a screen buddy 🤣

[hazy radish]

yup

why 1.25 ?

[steady zephyr]

Gonna add to that Storm is going to Nerys village this turn

[hazy radish]

neat

what could go wrong ?

[rapid pond]

A lot

[south ether]

Because one of them is a flaming wreck last we saw it

[eager carbon]

i think its wait and see what happens first

[muted eagle]

Yeah, I imagine we'll most likely go to Ziyal though

Maybe haydar village

Depends if venator needs some more help or not

[rapid pond]

I mean if ya go to Haydar you can easily flank the bots who might be going to help Hillmine

[hazy radish]

haydar could be fun

[hazy radish]

Anyone want a stream of me mappin' ?

Finally getting to the action. Just heard from Billote they think they can out shoot us, show them we're the best!
@sour flame hehe, we'll see ! 👀

[hazy radish]

scratches head

@rigid oar despite your IFV rushing to get to 3717 with the other IFVs, you wanna keep inside the IFV ?

just making sure, I'm mapping it our right now and seeing the boys deploying from the IFVs but not you 🤔

[solar bear]

I'm free if you want...

And still doing the map...

[hazy radish]

yes i am !

i'm in game room 3 @solar bear

[rapid pond]

French, I didn’t know bureaucracy was a gaming practice

[hazy radish]

not like we got much voice chats anyways lol

[rigid oar]

I completly forgot to change my order! big RIP. If i am stuck in the IFV then so be it.

[hazy radish]

no you're good, change it

I noticed it thanks to common sense, so be quick about it and i'm fine with it

if it can help

@rigid oar this is how it's lookin' like on the hex

so far

[rigid oar]

Ok cool ill just copy kriegs order and edit it.

to be quick

@hazy radish I edited the order. Let me know if you would rather me delete and repost.

[hazy radish]

delete & repost

delete & reposts are fine after the deadline

[rigid oar]

Cool i just didnt want to cause confusion with the deadline. Its been deleted and reposted

[hazy radish]

bridge

[rapid pond]

?

[feral ivy]

bridge

[left thistle]

bridge

[rapid pond]

Elaborate

[feral ivy]

bridge?

[rapid pond]

Yes

[feral ivy]

bridge!

https://tenor.com/view/enchantment-sandal-gif-26937920

[hazy radish]

the sane ocdt trying to ask: "but why"

us, already borderline insane: "bridge"

[feral ivy]

woah woah woah... borderline??

[rapid pond]

I probably deserve to be a Cdt now

But eh I’m lazy

[solar bear]

He is being nice and generous...

[feral ivy]

there aint nothing borderline about it. We are insane

i wear it proudly

[hazy radish]

No one give this guy a 2nd hammer

I've seen the results with @iron arrow, let's not make ourselves a second Sven

[feral ivy]

youd be amazed at the kind of work that can be done with just one hammer

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[hazy radish]

o no

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/i-give-up-i'm-done-i-quit-gif-2562811513236157054

[hazy radish]

The Turn 6 tac-map, any thoughts ?

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/dazai-dazai-osamu-osamu-dazai-bsd-bungo-stray-dogs-gif-25155066

[south ether]

I move to 3717

[hazy radish]

!

Fly in formation ending at 3717

Starting Coords: L-H
Ending Coords: Crossroads 3716

I took the ending coords to mean "i'm just staying in formation like this"

so you wanna be in 3717 @south ether ?

[south ether]

Yes

[hazy radish]

gotcha

make sure to get the ending coords right next time then :P

it's what I looked at 😅

[south ether]

Hmm tought I edited everything before reposting

[left thistle]

Can the other inf not make it any further up? 👀

[hazy radish]

define "other inf"

there's 2 other infantries besides you chinderella 🤣

[left thistle]

Bulwark and Kilo

[hazy radish]

nope

[left thistle]

Oof

[hazy radish]

.5 to disembark
.25 to dig in

[left thistle]

They’re still in range right?

[hazy radish]

they only got .25 speed to go forward to get in a building

[south ether]

Kilo should be

[hazy radish]

Kilo is nearly in range

Kilo is in range*

Bulwark is a no

unless shack's eyeballs say otherwise

[left thistle]

Okay so Sven, Kilo and I will be splitting damage. Phew

[hazy radish]

Hopefully yes.

we got a vtol medic right behind y'all anyways that i'm mapping rn lol

[left thistle]

Lovely,

[south ether]

Thats why I changed it with Vivian's ok

fixed

[hazy radish]

@south ether better ?

good!

i'll leave it for an hour or so then hit send.

[fierce dirge]

yo know, i am not against this.
but was our original plan for the MBT'S to be in front of our infantry?

[hazy radish]

well, orders are in now, and while I allowed cagereal to change his due to "plans changed, you hadn't followed and edited, that's fine"

I'm not gonna allow every MBT to change to rushing in front :P

It used to be, but then some IFV realized "ay cant we rush the infantry in" and hey here we are lol

[south ether]

and i think it is better to have 4 mbt guns ready to fire than 4 mbts that take double damage

[fierce dirge]

I cast 💫 Replace Tank Engine With Skyrim Horse 💫
Now move across the hills and mountains to the enemy like water finding the quickest way to ocean!

[hazy radish]

Aye !

[hazy radish]

OH GOD DANGIT

🤣

[rapid pond]

The inferiority of biological beings always exist

Sadly your horse cannot run forever!

[hazy radish]

@fierce dirge YOU MADE THEM INTO SKYRIM HORSES

HOW THE FUCK AM I TURNING THEM BACK FOR THE TAC MAP DYNAGRUM

HOWWWW ?! 🤣

[rapid pond]

Are you all in VC designing this map?

[hazy radish]

well, mine's finished

but we're in vc about meta campaign ye

hop in

crazy axx's making his

[rapid pond]

Hallo

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/talos-skyrim-heimskr-yall-need-talos-behave-gif-22445235

[south ether]

so how is the fighter coverage because i am the only vtol in the air in this conner XD

[hazy radish]

the what now ?

[gentle trench]

Don’t think either of our BGs have fighters

212th is the only BG I can think of that them

[south ether]

no but 212th has 6?

[gentle trench]

I’m unsure what exactly they’re doing

Cause they’re gonna be in the bottom left with Shovels and Rabbit, you could probably ask in their thread

[south ether]

highest risk is that there are fighters on the map for me

[hazy radish]

rabbit is basically conquering the whole map lol

[south ether]

not the whole map but pretty much the whole center of the map

[gentle trench]

Don’t oversell us French then it’s gonna look really bad when we get mauled

[hazy radish]

I mean, if you guys' plans are going well, Iron Hammer is basically arriving as you guys will have finished crossroads...

Rabbit stealing our gawd damn job !

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-gif-23335359

[gentle trench]

looks at Rabbits intention from day 1 being Crossroads

Can’t steal our own jobs :P

[hazy radish]

looks at our own intention from day 1 being Crossroads too

Gawd damn rabbits being cute 🐰

[gentle trench]

Our day 1 is earlier than your day 1 :P

(Now I’m just being annoying on purpose)

[hazy radish]

Eeeeeehhhh gnégnégné rabbit gnégnégné

(me too i have no further arguments)

[rapid pond]

L’anglais?!

L’ANGLAIS?!

[hazy radish]

x)

[rapid pond]

jk

Lel

[fierce dirge]

Turn back? NO! Move forward! We are more powerful now! Nothing can stop us!
-# (except for guns, lightning, harsh weather, pointy sticks, water, fire, walls, doors, etc.)!

[south ether]

it has begun?

[hazy radish]

yup

first midround's up

[left thistle]

Oh god

We might have lost most of our armor 😭

That is a lot of fire power they’re staring down

[south ether]

spgs and armored aa could be worse

[hazy radish]

Aaaaaaaaaaaand venator's HATs are dead. 🤣

[left thistle]

And inf squads of 6 which have the capacity to actually damage tanks

The battle for elim might have given us a little too much confidence

[south ether]

yes but not all squads are 6

[hazy radish]

oof venator is gonna be in rough shape after a few turns I recon

[south ether]

it depends on the dice @muted eagle what do the dice say?

[hazy radish]

my man's got his priorities straight

[south ether]

i am looking at the last map of C-H and 12? are 10 groups of 6fs and the medium ? are aa/arty

[solar bear]

#midround-events message Your mama is soo fat that the Anti-Orbital Targeting System lock on her...

[south ether]

so my guess for crossroads 3spg 2 aa and 9 mech/6fs squads and about 12 infantery?

ouch if they are orbital spg's they may have a lot more hits than normal spg

[muted eagle]

The dice is with Venator

[rapid pond]

The machine spirits aren’t

Even with their fury at the horrendous merge of machine and flesh, it seems the spirits of those machines are raging, yet tainted

[muted eagle]

Guys

I have bad news

The dice... Is not with iron hammers

[south ether]

in what way?

[feral ivy]

ouch time?

[hazy radish]

oh dear

No wait

guys

I have a secret technique

@muted eagle reroll the dice

[muted eagle]

Do you want me to anger the dice?

[south ether]

no maybe we had advantage

[iron arrow]

to hell with the dice if they don't believe in us

[hazy radish]

YEAH !!!!!!

[muted eagle]

Right, I did it and the dice is not happy, the number was lower

[hazy radish]

oh dear

well

SVEN'S RIGHT WE GOT THIS BOYS

No need to break our morale over a dice

Venator's got a crapton of people, we barely have half of that

and we got thrice the men with rabbit & flying shovels

COME ON MEN, WHERE IS YOUR HAMMER SPIRIT ?! 🔨

[muted eagle]

We shall conquer any challenge the dice throws at us

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/mhw-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-hammer-mhw-hammer-gif-4493981768275536792

[south ether]

nope, but looks like there are more infantery on the midrounds map than there where ?? on end of round map ☹️

[iron arrow]

🔨 🔨 !!

[hazy radish]

🔨 !!!

[left thistle]

🔨🔨🔨

If those fast movers don’t turn around and instead push to crossroads…

We may be fucked

Redwall has all of the aa 😭

[hazy radish]

Nahhhh

We'll be fine gents, we have Phalanx reinforcements

AND HAMMERS BY OUR SIDES !!!

🔨

[muted eagle]

Should you be injured, the melon medics shall be at your location in a few moments thanks to @south ether!

[rapid pond]

Vivian

If you dare soak a tank in your melon juice

[south ether]

wel if the fastmovers are something like heavy gunships moving to crossroads they can have a warm welcome from 212th fighterwing

[rapid pond]

I will personally take out your fucking arm and replace it with a cybernetic that works on purely oil

-# Do not ever disgrace the machine spirit

[muted eagle]

😟

[rapid pond]

If ya wanna defile a machine, defile the enemy bots

They are already tainted

[muted eagle]

No guarantees that there won't be any melon juice on the tanks

[south ether]

maybe it are vtols moving our way

[left thistle]

Oh didn’t know they had a fighter wing lol

[south ether]

they have the most fighter in a bg

[left thistle]

Oh shit… we’re big chilling then, esp once they get their airfield up

[south ether]

if they are in position yes

[left thistle]

Maannnnnnn

You just gave me hope, now you’re taking it away 😂

[south ether]

nah crossroads is smol so they should be able to position well, but those three ? in the back are pretty sure also those fast moving things

[left thistle]

Yeah probably

It’ll be funny if the two closer big ones are the orbital cannons tho

Thankfully target priority rules out infantry at the bottom of their list

[south ether]

i think one AA one SPG

[muted eagle]

Almost home, god I'm not used to this much walking 😅

[fluid viper]

I wonder if we are going to see bots pouring out of Ziyal at this rate

This may turn into "can we kill the factories and then hold a front line"

[left thistle]

Given what venator has seen, I expect to be bogged down dealing with qrfs out of Haydar and Ziyal for a few rounds at least

According to what the civilian convoy stated it seems like they were just starting to set up in crossroads, so likely what we see there now will not be the last of them

[south ether]

so frontline cross roads C-Z and Hill mine/H-H/haydar village?

[left thistle]

If we eventually push into haydar ourselves, we could pincer any forces pushing to Hill mine

But that would be contingent on other bgs gaining at least marginal control over ziyal so we don’t get flanked ourselves

[fluid viper]

If we don't die ourselves

[left thistle]

For now tho, we gotta clear and hold crossroads

[fluid viper]

We may be hiding in trenches in a turn or two

[left thistle]

Depending on what gets sent our way I am digging into the building I just occupied. +2 def and +1 armor is no joke

[muted eagle]

Yeah, that means they'd have to roll like, above a 3 to damage you

[hazy radish]

Woah, actual planning, in my Battlegroup ?

Can't believe this

[muted eagle]

Quickly!

[hazy radish]

MEMES

[muted eagle]

Back to gambling!

[left thistle]

Oh shit…

[hazy radish]

More seriously I think this is a lot of speculation for nothing.

[hazy radish]

It all depends on our midround
Our allies' in crossroads' midround
Venator's midround

etc etc

[south ether]

no no it is to kill time

[hazy radish]

It is too early to speculate on a course of action to take

Especially when we've only seen 1/20th of the turn

[left thistle]

I’m on my lunch break so it’s not like I got much else to do atm

[hazy radish]

idk, eat lunch ?

[left thistle]

What?!? Eating lunch on a lunch break?!? Preposterous!

[muted eagle]

Yeah but it's fun

[south ether]

question is can we capture the aa gun and spgs?

[hazy radish]

okay, carry on having fun then :)

[left thistle]

Kinda depends, ik shack wasn’t keen on stealing stuff since ppl got a little war crimey

[hazy radish]

I just don't like seeing theories thrown so early despite them all probably going to trash in the next minutes or so

Y'know, same mentality I had for us not planning further then "we elim city we crossroads ooga booga"

[left thistle]

We def hit the crossroads ooga booga part now

[hazy radish]

oh yeah we have

then afterwards we have

[south ether]

ooga booga ooga booga,

[hazy radish]

an

***✨ existential crisis ✨ ***

ahead of us

[south ether]

hammer smash

[muted eagle]

I say we go wherever there are the most bots after :p

[fierce dirge]

oogo booga ooga booga

[hazy radish]

from gamblers to cavemen, jeez

[muted eagle]

More bots = More hammer smash

More hammer smash = very good

[left thistle]

But… hammer go b o n k

[hazy radish]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[south ether]

ooga booga, hammer smash?

[rapid pond]

Sadly your barbaric methods won’t work here

[muted eagle]

No

They will

Hammer smash always works

[fierce dirge]

Simple problems require barbarian solutions

[south ether]

otherwise smash harder

[muted eagle]

Exactly!

We simply enter crossroads, smash shit, refuse to elaborate and then leave

[hazy radish]

Fuck me I ALMOST forgot what I was cooking

Cat came to see me and I was like "aww how cute, i wonder why he comes sees me"

THEN IT CLICKED

STEAK IS COOKING

thank god it's not burnt 😅 😅

[hazy radish]

seems like a plan @mighty osprey would be proud of

[fierce dirge]

There are only three emotions:
-1: I LOVE GAMBLING! ❌ -AH!
-2: Hammer go brrrrt
-3:

https://tenor.com/view/terror-help-me-cat-gif-15301923

[hazy radish]

pineapple reaction ?

oh no i remember that joke

pineapple

[south ether]

so what are the over unders for crossroads being worse than C-Z?

[hazy radish]

the what now ?

"over unders" ?

[south ether]

ods

you know

[hazy radish]

no i don't

that's why i'm asking 🤣

[feral ivy]

When your only tool is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail

[south ether]

this is iron hammer the gambling bg and the tac com doesn't know, i am in shock, shock i say

[hazy radish]

I've never been a gambling guy IRL 😅

[south ether]

me neither but that doens't matter

[hazy radish]

so, what is over under ?

[rapid pond]

Well… if ya wanna take this literally:
It is where you go above something and then go under something else

:p

[south ether]

a way of betting, say you have a football game you can bet on if the total goals is over/under say 3.5

[rapid pond]

Tbh I don’t even fully understand gambling, so I’ma let people who comprehend it explain

[south ether]

but shack is asking questions about the crossroads maps

[hazy radish]

o!

comin'

[south ether]

so i it feels like it is time for some metal, any sugestions?

[hazy radish]

metal ? ooooo

I know a band, give me a minute

[rapid pond]

Metal?

[glad hedge]

Sabaton is the closest thing to metal I listen to

[hazy radish]

Okay, so, I just realized taht the whole fucking band's music I put in my yt playlist got deleted

[rapid pond]

I know a pretty… hardcore song what may be deemed metal

[hazy radish]

Good news: Found it back again. :)

[rapid pond]

However it’s 40k Iron Warriors themed

[glad hedge]

Iron within, iron without?

[rapid pond]

Heretek

I kid ya not that’s the name

[glad hedge]

I thought you were calling me out for a sec lol

[hazy radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xavJt2EF934

It's what I discovered 'em on

[rapid pond]

I mean I could’ve

[hazy radish]

Really like that group.

[rapid pond]

But I wanted to provide the name, not call someone out for tech-heresy

-# That’s a later issue

[glad hedge]

For loyalists I am a From the fires of battle, unto the anvil of war type of guy.
For traitors I am a Hydra dominatus type of guy

[rapid pond]

I mean I have mixed opinions as well

Actually I dunno if ya deem it heavy metal but the same people also made an Alpha Legion song

[hazy radish]

"Pionner of german power metal", hell yeah.

"Dissolved in 1999", less hell yeah.

But still, really love Heaven's gate, I think it must be one of the sole groups that I love nearly their whole discography :P

Go give 'em a look @south ether, if you like metal you should like 'em too I recon.

[south ether]

i am giving them a look atm

[fluid viper]

Good news. Rabbit isn't going to kill everything while we run up

Bad news. Bots = scarry

[left thistle]

Oh boy

[hazy radish]

Boy oh boy.

Flying bots we can't do shit about too, hmpf.

[muted eagle]

Have we considered trying to point artillery at them?

[hazy radish]

...would that work ?

[muted eagle]

God knows

[left thistle]

Atlas isn’t sticking around right?

[muted eagle]

They are not

[hazy radish]

unknown?

[muted eagle]

They are going down to support Venator

[hazy radish]

oh that was decided quickly

[gentle trench]

I think they are waiting to see the outcome of this round

But their main idea is support venator

[left thistle]

A flak shell upgrade would be pretty cool. Make a hex impassable for air for a turn

[muted eagle]

You all think all that shit coming to the crossroads are also those big flyers??

[south ether]

Yes

[muted eagle]

I hope the 212th can deal with them

[south ether]

But can vtol atack vtol?

[muted eagle]

Probably

[south ether]

hmm if true hmm, if i survive this round it is gonna be drop you of and try and outmanouvre them

[muted eagle]

I would probably advise against trying to fight them 😅

[south ether]

i didn't say fight them now did i

[rigid oar]

It looks like crossroads is going to be the killing fields of this campaign.

[south ether]

fun

[hazy radish]

cant vtol only attack ground units ?

[muted eagle]

I mean, going anywhere near them is probably suicide tbh

[south ether]

they are coming to the north west corner

we are in the northwest corner

[muted eagle]

I think they can only not shoot fighters because fighters are faster, I imagine a VTOL can fight a VTOL

[hazy radish]

seems legit

[south ether]

the 3 things moved to 4819 atop of the AA? gun, so i think the think at the intersection of 3919 3918 is a spg

but the question is is there an diference in the smol and smal ? signs

the smal is 6fs, are the smol 4fs or something else

[rapid pond]

Spoiler

Unless they revised rules, VTOLs can’t shoot any aerospace

From what I have heard in the past, they were meant to be able to, but as everyone assumed a aerospace craft which had a gun facing down wouldn’t try shooting others with crazy manoeuvres, they didn’t use VTOLs to attack aerospace, and it stuck

So, unless ya have fighters you’re fucked

[south ether]

so are they vtol or something that can shoot aerospace because makes a differnce in the danger to vtols

we don't 212 does have 6 fighters

[rapid pond]

VTOLs can buy AA rockets

Btw I am talking about our aerospace craft

The rules, if it wasn’t obviously clear by now
Do not apply to them based on our statistics

[south ether]

that is why i am asking if they can target aerospace

[rapid pond]

If they as the gunships, god knows

But we can’t shoot them with our VTOLs

that’s all I know

[hazy radish]

THATS US

THATS US