Battlegroup 12 - Iron Hammer: Comms

[hazy radish]

Woah, I am so much against splitting us all over the map 😅

[median epoch]

It's more like a hybrid plan, we can get some of you there early if you're ok paradropping. You'd have a fighter escort.

[hazy radish]

Also should get a black shadow on paint for your lines & plans thingies, to make 'em pop out more.

[hazy radish]

maybe ? Depends on who wants to go I guess

[median epoch]

Yea, exactly, we'd keep you together as much as possible.

[muted eagle]

Yeah, and it's not all iron hammers, a lot of it is also atlas's forces + stormblessed

And part of the issue I've been having with trying to make this is good lord it's hard to find spaces where you won't take damage when trying to drop 😅

I myself would rather not die because I took 4 damage from dropping

[muted eagle]

Yeah, I might group them up a bit more

Like having these groups be with the ones up north instead

And putting these close together

[hazy radish]

Huh, okay

I don't quite know what's happening now, i'd assume we just wait and see what happens pretty much

[fluid viper]

The mechs and Tanks being on opposite ends of the map puts them at a lot of risk with how limited our engineers are.

[muted eagle]

That is a good point

[left thistle]

I would vote for a mass drop in the southwest

Or maybe just along the west side of the map in general if there is not enough space

[fluid viper]

Let Storm Blessed be an anvil and us live up to our name.

[left thistle]

We're not big enough to spread out that much imo

[fluid viper]

One big swing is better then 10 little ones.

[hazy radish]

I agree with adam & chinderella

[fluid viper]

Put the mechs in like 2814 and this plan improves a lot. We just sweep the west end of the map and let Storm Blessed all turn to face 1 direction then we should have a stable front line.

With Rabbit and Spearhead landing behind them a turn or two later in Crossroads we then have them trapped to be wiped.

[left thistle]

Oh are rabbit and Spearhead gunning it straight to crossroads now?

[fluid viper]

From what I saw that is where they are leaning.

They want to go Crossroads>Zival

[left thistle]

Hmm, in that case they may be forced to be an anvil for us again, since I highly doubt they'd be able to clear Crossroads that fast and no other BGs can deploy outside of the space port

But good to know we'll have some good envelopment going

[fluid viper]

If none of our groups end up more in a surrounded situation rather then being a blocking force

[muted eagle]

Here we go

Though maybe we just split into two separate groups instead of 3, I think it'd be best to split into two groups

How tf did I only just notice this

[left thistle]

I was just about to say lol, it'd be really funny if that was a massive enemy force and we just completely split up our forces like that lmao

[fluid viper]

That is going to a skyscraper sized factory ship churning out 2 squads of PAI a turn just watch.

(we would almost certainly see that already)

[left thistle]

And an mbt for good measure

I think deploying in that area should allow us to get enough units down without over extending

[fluid viper]

If you drop mechs in the West they can clear the NW quadrant pretty well (A) and if the big scary question mark is scary for them they can use the blue buildings as cover (B)

[left thistle]

Or just run away quickly if it ends up being too much

[fluid viper]

In the NE if things go bad we need Storm to save them.

[left thistle]

But also thank you for the initial plan Vivian! Sorry we just immediately dogpiled it

[fluid viper]

We could also go SE with Mechs. That way they can retreat to the tanks, have SB covering them and they can investigate that convoy

[left thistle]

Do we know where the exit points are for Elim?

[rapid pond]

Well…

Assuming logic we’d be securing the region beforehand

But if ya want an answer, it should be like at the top and right hand sides

Or maybe 2 separate parts on the right hand side

[left thistle]

Gotcha gotcha

Just want to make sure we’re not dropping directly into the bot’s path of reinforcements

[rapid pond]

Aka if you’re on the South side, unless they are using aerospace transports, they shouldn’t be coming from that direction

As only the lone village there is accessible by air routes
-# Directly from the city

[muted eagle]

Don't be, I asked for advice, and I'll try work on the plan some more and factor in the advice you all gave

[fluid viper]

We don't need any orders in the next 40 min right?

[left thistle]

Nope

We’d be deploying next round under the current plan

[hazy radish]

So wait, do we have the starport or not ?

[tired jewel]

Uh... Not yet?

[hazy radish]

ehhh we'll see next round.

[left thistle]

Plan is to airdrop us in

[hazy radish]

huh, okay

[tired jewel]

We might have it this round though. Probably enough STORM there to keep it and hold it for a turn or two. A lot of unknowns and that frigate in space might be troublesome.

[left thistle]

I guess we’ll see next round?

[hazy radish]

Nice !

Then it's decided, with a majority of 69% (nice) of the votes, "Chaque problème est un clou" is our new motto !

[fluid viper]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[tired jewel]

[muted eagle]

Unfortunate

[fluid viper]

Just go pull some slot handles or something to feel better.

[muted eagle]

Time to gamble even more with the operation plans

[hazy radish]

I've pinged J.Jordan for our logo !

[eager carbon]

Can do

[left thistle]

Is the french like… grammatically correct and stuff?

[fluid viper]

Our native French guy never corrected it.

[atomic basalt]

If we drop tanks and mechs together would we rather have evade move mechs or MBT armor be the vanguard?

If we have the MBTs tank and have mechs do a normal advance we could really bring the hammer down on whatever we land next to instead of taking a bunch of penalties to hit

[hazy radish]

Oui. :)

[left thistle]

Beau 🙂

[hazy radish]

Nice doesn't translate well into french but good try lol

think "stylé" would be better

[left thistle]

Aw man

I was trying to go for the French equivalent to “lovely”

[hazy radish]

ah!

Magnifique ?

[left thistle]

Uhhh if you say so lol

[hazy radish]

I guess lol

[left thistle]

I mean you tell me, you’re the expert here man 😂

[eager lichen]

*Elim High Orbit, you mean.

You still have that orbital overhead to deal with.

Depends how heavy the fighting is - CAS and Repositioning are the major taskings, and some will probably need repairs.

If all goes well, we could spare 12+.
If it goes poorly... we could probably squeeze out 4 if you have air superiority?

amusement

Tremor has "Lightning Strikes Twice" as their motto.

[eager lichen]

IMO push the deployment zone slightly more north. You should clear the 5 contacts in the arty position, but otherwise, STORM is more concerned about our northern front - lots of buildings, hard to push into.

[eager lichen]

... We don't have the (combat) manpower to spare - EVAC VTOLs, maybe, but that would be several turns.

[left thistle]

Well no, from what I gathered with Atlas now hardburning out of the gate they should be able to get us in range to deploy via aerospace assets regardless of if the orbital is still up or not. But someone correct me if I’m wrong on that

[left thistle]

Issue with that is most of us are deploying out of HATs via airdrop, we go any further north and we’re taking the d4 penalty for parachuting into an urban area

[eager lichen]

The thing is, there's only 6 tiles on ELIM HIGH ORBIT that you can use to transit down to ELIM CITY itself. Unless Atlas can get onto that (which it can't right now), you'll only be in high orbit on the strat point.

[eager lichen]

Right-

sorry, was thinking as if you had STORM capability-"if it can fit, it can land"

See the light-grey tiles labeled "ELIM CITY" for the transit point for drop to the ground tac-map.

[left thistle]

Right, but would it not be possible for Atlas to enter Elim high orbit, move their two spaces, then deploy HATs and VTOLs who would have enough speed to cover the rest of the distance to the gray tiles and descend to the surface?

Or does a task force need to descend as one due to coherency rules or smth?

[eager lichen]

They can, but do remember it takes half a unit's total speed to descend down to low orbit - I don't think you have enough movement to do all of that in 1 turn.

[eager lichen]

Coherency only applies on the strategic layer, you're good there.

[median epoch]

Deploy yes, land, maybe not, we won't truly know until next midrounds are over

We can also deploy BEFORE we arrive, which is why we're planning now

We'd enter Elim Orbit in a large formation, including fully loaded HATs, VTOLs, and anything else we wanted to use.

[eager lichen]

Alright!

Just make sure you have fighter cover, it's kinda sketchy right now.

[left thistle]

Ahhh gotcha gotcha

[median epoch]

Depending on how far we make it this round, we might be within HAT range, but not VTOL range.

Yes, the 4 fighters would escort the HATs

Also, hi, I'm back

[left thistle]

Welcome back! Okay just so I have this right:

1. this round Atlas hard burns out of the gate and into FN1
2. The following round Atlas deploys aerospace assets with theirs and iron hammer’s ground forces embarked
3. That same round everyone enters elim high orbit in formation with those that can gunning past the bot ship to the surface and the rest staying to engage the enemy orbital/screen for the slower ground forces

Is that the gist of it?

[eager lichen]

Sounds about right-

Someone else should sanity check as well, though.

[median epoch]

That's it in a nutshell!

Should get as many people into the action as fast as possible.

And yes, please sanity check me, I am but one humble crazy person. (No sane person would do this job).

[left thistle]

Don’t look at me for that, I doubt any one sane would sign their squad up to run directly into enemy guns in what’s essentially a space-worthy tin can 😂

[simple elm]

shit I need to be ready for this, don’t I?

[median epoch]

Next round, if you wanna be in the first wave

[eager lichen]

quietly hides STORM affiliation tag

[left thistle]

Oh I am fully gauging my participation this blockade run on how many Storm vtols get blown up on insert lmao

[tired jewel]

I have full faith in Storm to survive!

[eager carbon]

have put myself on a VTOL on Atlas's doc 🙂
figured i would go on a different one to our other medic

[hazy radish]

Okay, I've been out of the loop for a few days it seems lol

Won't lie due to the time it takes I've been laid back casually 😅

Is there anything else I need to know about ?

[muted eagle]

Well we've started to sign up for going aboard the HATs and VTOLs over in Atlas's sheet

[hazy radish]

Oh, okay

To get early deployment next round, right

What about the uh

Orbital, that's on elim orbit ?

This "funny" fellow with his 4 fighter boys

[muted eagle]

We'll have Atlas's fighters escort us past it

I think

[hazy radish]

that... feels dangerous as fuck

[muted eagle]

It probably is

[hazy radish]

do we have a waiver to sign for this ? 🤣

[muted eagle]

Want me to make one?

[hazy radish]

No I mean more seriously do thoses who sign up in the atlas sheet know of the risks ?

[muted eagle]

Maybe

Not sure

[hazy radish]

a.

...should probably make them aware then

[rapid pond]

I mean Storm was forced to sign a waiver

But yeah, that might be a struggle for you

[hazy radish]

Honnestly not too keen on trying to deploy before the elim orbital is taken care of

...especially in fragile HATs

But uh, if you guys want to, just be aware of the risks I guess.

[rapid pond]

We’re just going all in as we should be able to tank it

We’re actually dropping before we reach the orbital

Since ya know the maps overlap, so we may be able to dodge most of the fighters

[hazy radish]

...they could also just go down to low orbit aswell

Like they could see fighters & hats go from high to low and just go "bet imma do that too"

[muted eagle]

Hopefully they'll be busy with our own fighters

[rapid pond]

Yeah next turn you with Atlas should be entering

If they decide to try and attack us before descent they’d see you and probably become occupied

[hazy radish]

Huh. 🤔

Still feels risky if there's another orbital or fighters that we don't know about that but in tbh.

[rapid pond]

Well unless if they landed we should know about ‘em

It’s kinda hard to hide a bloody orbital in a city when they’re massive

[hazy radish]

I mean reinforcements

[rapid pond]

Well… That sounds like a Fluffle issue tbh

Most likely reinforcement area is Nav 1

They could fly over the planet ofc

But… I deem that less likely

[hazy radish]

There must be an orbital hanging around here maybe idk

What are the odds ? xD

[median epoch]

We're gonna board it in our VTOLS

[muted eagle]

Here we go

This is everything we can drop in a single turn

[hazy radish]

hohooh, funni.

So that's where all the boarding peeps will go.

[muted eagle]

Yeah, so might have to remove the PAI from the plan then

[fluid viper]

Also Fluffle is on site this turn fighting as well. It is a full BG + assistance from Atlas vs them and then us sneaking past.

[hazy radish]

ooh, less dangerous then

[fluid viper]

Yeah. I think there is a lack of communication between the different BGs and TFs.

[hazy radish]

i'm just slighty out of the loop ngl

[fluid viper]

People in the BGs barely know what the groups plan is without constant work to summarize hundreds of statements. I don't blame people in other groups from not knowing what is happening.

[hazy radish]

Yeaaaahhh.

I'll see what happens with the next round, the plans can fall through if shit goes wrong/good/whatever

[muted eagle]

Yeah, I try my best to keep up but it's starting to become more difficult 😅

[hazy radish]

If I've stopped keeping track, and you guys barely can, oh boy we're gonna have problems 😅

I swear, the plan used to be "we go in elim city"

in some time, far far away.

[muted eagle]

Right, I have an idea

Rather than everyone trying to keep up everywhere

[hazy radish]

more gambling ?

[muted eagle]

We have people willing to try and keep up with what's going on in the different TFs/BGs, and each person keeps up with a different one, or atleast the ones that are important for us to keep up with

So like, you could keep up with what goes on in here, I could keep up on what's going on with atlas, another could do the same with storm, etc

[hazy radish]

that's smart

but we only need to keep up with atlas & storm right ?

maybe fluffle.

[muted eagle]

Yeah

So that's just 4 willing people

I myself will likely keep up with Atlas

[hazy radish]

I mean I kept up some time ago but since a few days now i've just kinda been waiting and stopped tracking what's happening

y'know, "problem for later" mentality as stuff can change with the rounds

[muted eagle]

Yeah

[left thistle]

This looks great!

[left thistle]

But yeah we’ll have a better idea of the orbital situation above elim after the end of this round

[hazy radish]

I'll start to keep up after the round, when the midrounds come in and the new map aswell

[left thistle]

If storm gets absolutely demolished on entry… I’m sticking in the big ship until we can drop safely

[hazy radish]

Hopefully that round should be the one to get us in the fight

...maybe.

[left thistle]

Eh either the next one or the one after that for sure, depending on how risky we want to be

[hazy radish]

It's not looking great but it's not like they got any better choices

[muted eagle]

I mean, if storm gets demolished on entry, it all comes down to us to take the space port 😅

[fluid viper]

Spearhead and Rabbit may be good to follow too as the other Crossroads BGs

[hazy radish]

And flying shovels

And 212th...

And god how many other BGs ? 🤣

[muted eagle]

Yeah, that's kinda why I don't want us to go for crossroads 😅

[left thistle]

Yeah that’s kinda why they’ll be a good gauge on whether this will work 😅

Tho ig they’re all in VTOLs and with the damage spreading rules none of them will be downed this round anyway

[hazy radish]

We need a stormblessed gauge ?

I propose "Stormblessed" for "yippie"
And "Stormchaser" for "we are absolutely fucked" as a barem

[left thistle]

Oh dang, I just realized HATs only have one hit 😅

[hazy radish]

yeah 😅

sqwuishy hats >w<

[left thistle]

I thought it was two 😭

Wait that makes this sooo much more dangerous

[hazy radish]

Two is for rugged air transport I think

[left thistle]

Yeah if the airspace isn’t clear, or the fighters/fluffle don’t engage before us, we can almost guarantee a hat is going down on entry

Did not do those calculations before I signed up to airdrop 😅

[hazy radish]

and remember kids

hats are sqwuishy wushy

[left thistle]

=w=

[fluid viper]

Spicy landings are fun

[hazy radish]

'tis why I was worried when I heard the plan, HATs are really fragile

[solar bear]

*Flashbacks of C3 *

[fluid viper]

We don't deploy until next turn right? We have a full turn of them purging airspace before that I think.

[hazy radish]

I think yeah

[left thistle]

Right bc fluffle is entering elim high orbit this turn

And storm is using their guns in high orbit I think too

[median epoch]

Ah, ambassadors! I'm working on getting some people to help me with that (you're absolutely right it's too much to keep up with.)

[fluid viper]

Storms deployment plan.

They are doing a real tight cordon around the Port.

Their NW corner is the scary spot. We have the big question mark and the building layout let's enemies get close before they have clean lines of sight.

They do have 3 infantry pointing at it though.

[rapid pond]

Remember each VTOL should be firing before they land if they chose to land

Alongside that we have Tiger shooting that way

Or at least should be firing that way

[fluid viper]

Is Tiger an MBT or artillery?

[rapid pond]

MBT

No arty with us since it is bad for mobile units

[fluid viper]

Are you guys shooting the space assets on the way in or saving fire for ground targets?

[rapid pond]

We’re dodging that one

Aka saving for ground

The orbital (if Shack understands the intentions) will be ignored

[old lark]

Feel free to make use of Pathfinder Intelligence Services, as well. Marksman and I generally do pretty well at keeping track of what most of the BGs are talking about

[iron arrow]

Ah my idea of dropping the ODTs on the buildings just North snd west of the bots' big cluster would be even better now

cool cool

[hazy radish]

Rawr.

[hazy radish]

The orbiwho ?

[solar bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1211453157419393094/1388207126190624768/Day-2_Elim_City_-_High_Orbit.jpg?ex=68636fe2&is=68621e62&hm=6471f3b0c377e1f6052b9cac77740bab5a63a2af11182b659fe6f870c38b2783&=&format=webp&width=1737&height=863

We have a orbital above the city...

[rapid pond]

Thanks for beating me to a bad humoured punchline

[solar bear]

kkkkkkkkkk

[rapid pond]

I was literally gonna do:
|| Ahem if shack allows us to avoid the orbital, your mother, then we will strafe the surface||

Although I am expecting the wanted response was an Obi Wan reference

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-so-uncivilized-attack-of-the-clones-star-wars-gif-19823075

[rapid pond]

Can’t disagree tbh

But it was funny
-_-

[rigid oar]

Seems like alot has happened. Are we still going to gun it for elim turn one?

I can see that we might be supporting storm take the center of elim?

[hazy radish]

Really it's gonna depend on this round and how well or poorly storm does

From what I understood Atlas has planned for some of us to drop in early (?) with HATs next round, and some have signed up

I raised the question of "isn't this risky" and i was told "isok"

...it's getting messy to understand everything that's happening right about now

We'll be fixed next round with the midrounds & the new map normally.

[rigid oar]

Wait where is the sign up for early drop?

Also yeah their does some to be alot going on communications wise but thats also the nature of the beast when it comes to these things.

[median epoch]

Damn, we're not quite close enough for IH's VTOLs to descend. Y'all wanna stay in formation with Atlas? There's not much benefit to being over Elim early, unless you wanna drop off your guys then move. (Can't descend from space and ascend in the same turn).
They ARE close enough to participate in the Frigate Boarding though, if that appeals to anyone.

[median epoch]

Right here

[fluid viper]

Put your unit name in one of these for a spot on early drop. You will be sitting in either an Drop Pod if able or a 1 Hit HAT

[hazy radish]

So no more early drop ?

[median epoch]

HATs yes, VTOLs no. pic coming

[left thistle]

I would vote we stay in formation for an extra turn

Not rly keen on getting blown out of the sky

[left thistle]

Oh nvm then

[median epoch]

It'd take the VTOLs 3.5 speed to reach the city-spacezone, then 2.5 to descend (but they only have 1.5 left)

So probably safer to stay in formation

[left thistle]

You mean for the VTOLs right? Also would the hat’s speed reset once they enter orbit? Or would we essentially be hanging in the skies above elim for a turn before being able to airdrop?

Cause if the second is the case it might just be better for everyone to wait an extra turn and deploy as one to the surface

[hazy radish]

confirm keennness on not wanting to blow up in a HAT

[hazy radish]

I was gonna point this out yeah

Wouldn't it be better for us to just wait until we're right above then getting vtols & hats out with a chance to get blown up by the orbital ?

[left thistle]

We’d certainly be safer in the orbitals than predeployed

[hazy radish]

yup

[median epoch]

100% true, this is just an option

[left thistle]

But I’d say let’s see what the situation about elim looks like at the end of the round, if all enemies get wiped then making a mad dash wouldn’t be so bad

[median epoch]

Yea, worth waiting for midrounds to decide, just wanted to get the pic down (it took a good chunk of time to make)

[left thistle]

Thanks for that honestly. Super helpful to be able to visualize things

[median epoch]

'Tis my job

[muted eagle]

Right, quick question, does anyone want to be an ambassador for storm and fluffle? As to make it easier to keep up with everything going on, basically your job will be to write summaries on what they're doing and help coordinate with them considering there's so much going on

[rapid pond]

I won’t take the offer but I ain’t declining it either
-# Nutshell, I am gonna forget and will miss stuff, but if ya ask I can try giving you info

[muted eagle]

Thanks, it's definitely appreciated

Even if it's just a little bit

[rapid pond]

Yeah I can do my best to relay what I know, but it may be outdated, vague or just half of what you need

[fierce dirge]

I can potentially help with Storm.
I have a friend in Storm who keeps up with the plans.
But I do not have the time to read both chats fully.
There are simply too much messages.

[muted eagle]

Alright, if we could ask them for a summary of what's going on in iron hammers that would be nice

I myself will be keeping up with atlas

[median epoch]

Last I heard, their VTOLs are gonna stay in the atmosphere and shoot at the ground forces, NOT firing on the Frigate.

[hazy radish]

Ay, I'll try to keep up with storm aswell when the new rounds hits and we know what we're doing, hopefully

I've always had an interest with 'em due to the amount of vtols they got

I'm trying to make sure they don't do the same mistakes the last storm-named OP did

[rapid pond]

Just a lil note, unless if Shack decides to start the midrounds early like last time I won’t have your updates until the day after

[muted eagle]

Oh no

I'm starting a d&d campaign of my own

And the players are already plotting to cause a continent-wide famine

[rapid pond]

Oh well

That sounds normal for d&d

[fluid viper]

From the sounds of it Shack doesn't allow you to pick targets like that anymore.

[rapid pond]

Well unless the orbital comes to us we should be able to dodge it

[left thistle]

After skimming meta-comm

RIP Iron Hammer 😭

[hazy radish]

Looks at #meta-comm
"Mostly sick of people just grabbing bodies without a plan as to what their unit is designed for. Without any will to say. Sorry we cant take a Speed 1 unit. We're designed around X capablity."
-Is that aimed at me ?
-Yes"

Wew uh

Great day to be in #meta-comm eh ?

Jesus, I hope specialized BGs don't become the norm either by will of shack or by rules of law.

[left thistle]

I feel like enforcing themes makes the need for a last chance bg even more necessary

Unless shack is looking to indirectly lower player sizes

[old lark]

As I pointed out earlier however, it all depends on whether the groups enforce the rule. You could just make a BG with a creatively vague purpose and then... not turn anyone away

[rapid pond]

French you should’ve divorced your BG when ya had the chance

[left thistle]

So something like “an assault force to take x location”?

[hazy radish]

It's a shame to get shot at for the idea of "jack of all trades, everyone can come in" which I find a very noble idea, but if specialized BGs are the go-to in C6/C7/Whatever due to a new rule then Iron Hammer will die or specialize itself.
No reaction to this either

I hope this not to be the last time Iron Hammer is a thing 😅

[left thistle]

I mean depending on how specified he wants the bgs I’m sure we could finagle an all encompassing purpose

[rapid pond]

I mean you can have a major siege unit next time

[left thistle]

Like what I wrote earlier, it’s a specific purpose but very open ended on the units we will bring in

[rapid pond]

Buncha MBTs, Mechs, Arty, some Logi and inf ofc

[old lark]

Yeah, or like "reaction force to respond to enemy force concentrations" and then you just... let everyone in

Artillery is very good at reacting to enemy force concentrations

[left thistle]

Exactly, as long as they are only looking for mission statements/purposes and not specific unit comps when founding a bg

There are certainly ways to word it so iron hammer can still be the all encompassing last chance bg

We just wouldn’t be able to state that directly

[hazy radish]

Yeah, there's ways to speak 👀

[median epoch]

I could see BGs be pre-built

[old lark]

And ways to wink wink nudge nudge

[rapid pond]

That’s what happened with some

[median epoch]

Have an exact number of each unit picked out before signups

[rapid pond]

Aka pre-built as organised beforehand to make stuff simpler

[hazy radish]

• I did have a plan with what our unit was designed for

Take crossroads, anyone who wants is welcome

big brain energy.

[left thistle]

Which is fair enough for ppl that want that, but idk if we should force every bg to do that

[median epoch]

yea, I'd rather people find groups that they enjoy being in

[left thistle]

I guess we’ll have to see what gets settled on rules wise, for now it seems like any pitches needed would just be directive based rather than a specific unit comps

[left thistle]

This is my first big campaign but honestly I choose bgs based on vibes more than anything else

[hazy radish]

We vibin'.

We chillin'.

[left thistle]

At the end of the day it’s a game and I’d like to spend my time on it with ppl that I find fun lol

[old lark]

I also chose based on animal propaganda

[left thistle]

Then how come you’re not here 👀👀👀

[hazy radish]

Still does feel kinda bad to jump on #meta-comm and just see my whole idea since C3 to just accept everyone and have a simple plan get shot down so hard by Shack.

I may be overreacting

I'm hoping I am honnestly lol

But that doesn't fill me with confidence

[old lark]

You were second choice. You don't have mutaletts.

and I was firmly informed, when I arrived, that Hammer and Pathfinders share the cat propaganda

[hazy radish]

Confirm

[left thistle]

Worst comes to worst, we form a bunch of small bgs each with similar unit types and then just operate together

[rapid pond]

Personally I had no clue where to go
I… before wanting to be torn to pieces by hungry groups for engineers asked for advice from Finley and got to Storm Blessed

[old lark]

United by lack of manpower!

[hazy radish]

Yeah !

[fluid viper]

Frankly I probably wouldn't be in this campaign without Iron Hammer being open to everyone.

I asked if anyone wanted an Engineer and BG12 was the only response.

If we do more exclusive BGs I may have gotten no response with a basic unit and been left out to dry. Forced into an MIA role by lack of BGs recruiting for a new player

[hazy radish]

Eh, there were other groups looking for engis too, I just happened to be the first one to come by tbh

[fluid viper]

No one else responded.

[hazy radish]

Lots of recruitments after the initial rush are just people falling ontop of people and "oh hey you're in this bg now"

[old lark]

It does get very hard later on when the existing BGs are mostly filled out and no one wants to risk starting a new one

[hazy radish]

Right, I'll go to the gym now, I'm now scared for Iron Hammer's future existence as a battlegroup thanks to shack, yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[hazy radish]

been there, done that twice 🤣

[old lark]

And actively recruiting is draining and time-sensitive

[old lark]

Yeah, well, you're weird, frenchboi. And we like you for it, but you're weird

[hazy radish]

Fuck me, I forgot who was the folk who suggested me to start a new BG in C3.

I'll find him, i'll find him.

YES GYM SEE YOU LADS LATER

[hazy radish]

#meta-comm message @fluid viper

https://tenor.com/view/mike-love-gif-20694670

Otherwise I think and hopping I'm worrying for nothing. 🙏

[left thistle]

If only he actually acknowledged it lmao

[hazy radish]

Yeah...

The day he acknowledges it is either the day I get banned or the day we're saved lol

But they're just ideas thrown, lots of ideas gets thrown in meta comm so.

If push comes to shove Iron Hammer will just become a "QRF with a set first objective."

Wink wink nudge nudge.

ANYWAYS

Do we have any ideas when the midrounds are ?

Not to pressure shack just, a rough estimate somewhere.

[old lark]

Midrounds should be tomorrow. Always Tuesday and Friday afternoon, Eastern Time

[hazy radish]

Right, neat !

[solar bear]

What did a miss guys??

[hazy radish]

Me having an existential crisis over Iron Hammer

otherwise, a bit of planning here and there, I think a good map from Vivian

[left thistle]

Well we are kinda in an existential crisis atm 😅

[hazy radish]

Aye, that's an existential crisis for a future us

[left thistle]

Classic Iron Hammer response 😂

[hazy radish]

The battlegroups have been made, shack is not about to go wipe a BG with 25 people and tell them "okay, go and join other BGs" while the campaign has fucking started

[hazy radish]

Yup, and it truely is

We're here now, that's what matters

What has been spoken in #meta-comm is mear ideas, as it usually is, will they get real or not is another question entirely that only future shack may know

[left thistle]

Current deployment plan very tentative

[hazy radish]

Yes, to get back on track, Vivian has done a few sketches here and there, a few thinking

But all can be thrown into jeopardy depending on the midrounds, atlas, new reinforcements, storm's success, etc

So this is mear theory that most probably will change uppon hearing of the new round.

This is not definitive

(otherwise it'd have been pinned)

[left thistle]

Exactly, it’s just good to have a little bit of an outline ahead of time so we’re not scrambling to figure things out last minute

[hazy radish]

and that also makes us distracted by something else then gambling or shitposting

it's nice for once

[solar bear]

kkkkk

My worried is the 5 question marks on the LZ, I'm hoping they are Infantry...

[left thistle]

-# inb4 it’s 5 mbts 👀

[eager lichen]

STORM will be flying by it, you'll figure out how dangerous it is once our casualty reports come in.

[hazy radish]

DONT BECOME STORMCHASER DONT BECOME STORMCHASER

[tired jewel]

Its time to

Chase

the STORM

[hazy radish]

https://tenor.com/view/mati-depresja-matiskater-mati-skuter-lysy-łysy-gif-12282794113371896506

[tired jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/yui-guitar-happy-cute-anime-music-gif-15487056

[eager lichen]

That's 3 out of 8 of our INF commited in that spot already. We literally can't afford to commit any more without under-manning the other fronts.

hopefully, we'll get more info as we get in.

[tired jewel]

Soon, we'll get it soon Adj EC

[eager lichen]

It'll probably happen to be more specialized in the end - coherency rules on the strategic levels makes larger BGs too inflexble with only minor coordination benefits.

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-concern-meme-40k-tech-priest-commissar-gif-19826274

[eager lichen]

Yup! So you have the specialized BGs that first came in, and then you have ULTRA, HAMMER, PHALANX, and the TFs (after modules) taking on almost anyone.

[hazy radish]

Venator took everyone aswell

Phalanx aswell

There's plenty of BGs that took everyone I think

[eager lichen]

Venator had the "need logi before more newcomers" clause and armor preference, but yes.

They have a mission (Armored unit) and they are good at it.

[hazy radish]

ay from what I understood the armor is just a big coincidence lol

[tired jewel]

I will just note. Sometimes, your goal and needs just don't matter that much to what your grabbing.

DF for example, had a set goal and location in mind, very strictly put out. However, with how limited transport was, we were ALWAYS going to take the auto transport, and with out target being the north road, it didn't really matter what our speed was.

So we just said 'yeah we'll make it work, feel free to join with whatever.'
Cause we didn't need to be overly specialized.
We make it at speed 1, sure.
We can do speed 2? Thats cool, lets do that. But it just worked out that way.

[hazy radish]

Ay, same philosophy for the speed here

I assumed we'd be on auto transport and speed 1

And hey now we're on Atlas, and if we had a few more transports we could have gone speed 2, but we're speed 1

is nice.

[tired jewel]

And... there's no going around the traffic jam at Elim City or the BGs coming out of the gate.

That was always going to happen with our lack of captains. And thats just the nature of the beast by having a shop and req points open for MONTHS and most people not having the points for orbitals.

[eager lichen]

I mean, the TFs and the QRF/Objective teams are forced to be specialized (or have specialized divisions within), so they are forced to be picky about the unit types at the start.

[tired jewel]

Yep, i'm glad we had some groups doing that. I just don't think we had the intel or logistics to do that for the majority of people we have. Perhaps with some more intel time or something, we could have done that but. Shrug

Is what it is, live and learn for next campaign. We're all play testing here.

[hazy radish]

Yup.

I just like having the bg be "no restrictions fuck it just come in as you'd like"

I mean, it literally worked out in C3 to be a very cohesive jack of all trade force with a bit of everything

And HEY would you look at that same for this one ! :D

I just don't like having restrictions for every BG, it's what C3 was, every BG was restricted one way or another eventually (by players, by unit type, by units needed, etc)

[eager lichen]

My opinion? If a BG is large enough to split, you split it into two BGs under a J-BG banner, with each one being specialized to work with the other.

Your J-BG can still accept everyone - your actual BGs have specialized roles.

[tired jewel]

Agreed. we did that with dwarf fort....

HINDSIGHT I kind of wish we had split it a third way to have an armored core, infantry core, logistics core but... meh, is what it is.

[hazy radish]

hindsight is 20/20

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old lark]

!

[hazy radish]

O

FIRST MIDROUND EVENT

i saw the notification too

o!

[tired jewel]

WHAT

[hazy radish]

aaaaaaaaaaand that doesn't concern us. lol

funny mechanic tho.

[rigid oar]

Does a bg every breakdown into smaller groups like squads or does it usualy stick together?

Like when we hit dirt are going to be a massive zerg or break into smaller groups?

Or is it just a play it by ear thing.

[hazy radish]

hmmmm

depends really

[tired jewel]

[hazy radish]

I like to keep us all together, but nothing stops you from going to the other side of the map alone or with a buddy

[tired jewel]

PRay to the dice gods friend.s they detirmine our level of danger adn traffic jam

[hazy radish]

as long as we're good with the unit coherency rule (aka staying in the same battlemap), we're good

[rigid oar]

Intersting. Well i benefit to sticking to the closest engineer (for practical reasons) or light mech (for my lore reasons) so i probably wont break from the group i was just wondering.

[left thistle]

3 speed auto transports would be hilariously scuffed lmao

[left thistle]

There’s usually a benefit for sticking together in general due to the damage spreading rules

[old lark]

We already have the first 3 speed auto for spearhead 🤣

[left thistle]

Lmaooooo

[median epoch]

Quick, tell Frenchboi to roll a d4

see what happens

[hazy radish]

huh?! 🤣

Also thanks for transporting us Atlas

[median epoch]

Our pleasure

[hazy radish]

Avoiding the transport RNG, yay !

[left thistle]

nah that’s Vivian’s job

[muted eagle]

1

[left thistle]

And also the potential for our whole bg to get one tapped the first turn in lmao

[tired jewel]

You dont want 3 speed, that'll put you over Elim with an OPFOR Frigate

[left thistle]

Thats what I mean lol, imagine how scuffed that would be 😂

[tired jewel]

We made it! bang

run into a wall lol

[rigid oar]

Did our motto get finalized? Also are we still 1 speed as a BG?

[median epoch]

Oh thank goodness. I'm sitting here being frustrated that we carried a BG in only to have some transports just be faster than us lol

[left thistle]

Forget a wall that opfor frigate even looks at them the wrong way and good bye to an entire bg 😅

[median epoch]

It looks like it's gonna be boostable by engis and stuff tho, so cool

[tired jewel]

Well, Atlas is there to soak... I'm sure it's fiiine

[rigid oar]

The transports that are faster just have better gaming chairs. Its not your fault.

[left thistle]

Yeah and tbh the speed thing becomes less of an issue as the space starts to get cleared of enemies

[median epoch]

-# number of patreon subscribers /s

[hazy radish]

1. Yes, it's "Chaque problème est un clou"
2. oui.

[left thistle]

Oh yeah French, was there any word back about our new patch?

[hazy radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-the-cycle-frontier-the-cycle-frontier-hop-on-the-cycle-frontier-gif-26888181

so far...

[left thistle]

Oof

[hazy radish]

yeah 😅

He said he was okay but i've pinged him once today once yesterday and no answer so far.

[left thistle]

We should have grabbed a blank one when we got the chance 😭

[hazy radish]

I'll try out tomorrow afternoon and if he still doesn't answer i'll patch something up.

(hah, patch, cuz the og logo is a patch, get it ?)

[fluid viper]

I think we still win handily

[hazy radish]

in the words of a man who'd soon win

"nah, i'd win"

Anyways, I'm going to sleep, prob' missing all the midrounds, I see you guys tomorrow

So, in about 10-12 hours from now. Bye gents !

-# don't overthink too much and thanks atlas for transporting us btw

[left thistle]

Damn 10-12 hours of sleep on a weekday? Crazy 😂

[hazy radish]

...no it's because I have matters to attend to tomorrow where I will not be available

[left thistle]

Well first drop would be just paradropping infantry so maybe not lol

[hazy radish]

I prefer not to say what it is to not sour the fun mood :)

[left thistle]

Ah fair fair, sorry didn’t mean to drag irl stuff in here

[hazy radish]

nono you can't see in the future or read my mind now can you ?

so it's okay lol

Have fun lads

[muted eagle]

Yep, I'll be going to sleep too

Goodnight guys

[eager lichen]

I mean, FLUFFLE and ATLAS will be there, so... Not an issue?

[left thistle]

Assuming they roll well 👀

[tired jewel]

I was half joking, its probably not an issue, yeah

[left thistle]

Still, as someone who previously got wiped round one, it’s pretty funny to think about lol

[eager lichen]

Ah. The Titan hotdrop fiasco?

[tired jewel]

In the arms of the aaangels

[left thistle]

I wish, at least then it’d be a little funny. It was on insert for one of the smaller ops, my squad ran into an enemy inf squad. We rolled a 5 they rolled a 6… I was the only unit to die that op 😭

[muted eagle]

Morning iron hammers

[hazy radish]

Morning !

[eager carbon]

[rapid pond]

Morning people

[rigid oar]

Morning

[left thistle]

Morning

-# crazy echo in here huh

[fluid viper]

If next campaign we need a more specific idea for a BG and we want to keep the wide variety of units we could aim to be a FOB based unit.

We would need a bit more Logi capability but I would be willing to push for the FOB engineer skill

[hazy radish]

Ay, we'll see next campaign for that problem

ALSO MIDROUNDS !!!!

[left thistle]

Whoa, opfor at Lussan got obliterated

Rip borgified civies tho lol

[muted eagle]

With what some of these transports are doing, I'm fucking glad atlas is taking us

[left thistle]

Wdym?

[hazy radish]

The npc transport rng for speed !

[hazy radish]

Only one person to kiss thank for that ! ❤️

Would have put a cute heart emote like @tired jewel has, but i have neither nitro neither patreon to put emotes there

[left thistle]

Ah

Yeah happy to not be in duck-taped ships

[left thistle]

Fr, I get such emote envy whenever nalla reacts to a message

[muted eagle]

Here we go...

[left thistle]

🙏🙏🙏

[hazy radish]

🙏

[muted eagle]

🙏

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hrejUl57PQz8Topn3FKS7rNhTnnSOzhJqsoLUuMrPng/edit?usp=sharing And remember to sign up for a HAT to the ground, everyone has to land at some point!

[left thistle]

Our med corps should def not be in a HAT lmao

[muted eagle]

Agreed 😅

[left thistle]

Plz sign up y’all, rn we got two medics and an engineer hot dropping on the first wave 😭

[hazy radish]

Ay ay ay, we might not need to hot drop

...especially if we only got support onboard and it seems risky lol

[muted eagle]

Well, depending on storm's situation

We may have to take the risk

[left thistle]

Kinda depends on how fluffle and atlas do. Also on how secure the space port needs to be before the auto transports can deploy stuff

[hazy radish]

And this is why we wait on the briefing & end of midrounds :D

[left thistle]

If we need to clear most of the map, we don’t rly want our auto transports mastering above elim for too long

[dim plaza]

Hey all.
So what is the Plan ? Are we still waiting ?

[hazy radish]

We have the start of a plan involving getting some early paradropping for next round thanks to atlas' hats if I understood correctly onto Elim City

But it's considered (by me, at least) as risky

Otherwise we're waiting on more info & the briefing & midrounds to actually know what we'll do next round

It's probable it's gonna go next round the HAT deployment plan if we're still cool with it
Then round after the normal deployment (?) on Elim City

All of this depends on how the situation has and will evolve with atlas, storm, the civilians, bots reinforcements, etc.

So, we're just waiting. :D

[dim plaza]

Ah nice. Thanks for the Info!

[hazy radish]

Yup, also we voted on our new motto, awaiting J.Jordan for edit so far.

[dim plaza]

So we are waiting. There is a lot happening every round so its hard to keep up 😛

[hazy radish]

We'll prob' need to get something pinned when the round starts, it has been messy for the last few days between us, atlas, storm, even fluffle, trying to keep up 😅

[hazy radish]

Yeah 🤣

[median epoch]

Good Time-zone Iron Hammer!

It looks like we dodged the worst of it. No damage. No enemies in our zone. We're clear to execute our Paradrop option if y'all still wanna do that. I've split our old deployment tab into two new ones:

• The Deployment Methods tab is a place for YOU to reserve your deployment seat if you are willing to brave the HATs. You'll have a fighter escort, and covering fire from Black Pearl.
• The Orbital Actions tab is for our crew. Don't worry about this one. 🙂

We're the Hammer and the Anvil

Chaque problème est un clou

Nobody crosses the Picket Line

-# I gotta go finish D&D prep, so I'll miss the end of Midrounds.

[stark rune]

Still room for warm bodies on LUCKYDRP

[rigid oar]

Can we get on the LUCKYDRP or can we only get on the iron hammer VTOLs?

[iron arrow]

uuh shiould i fill myself in on the empty drop pod? i was under the impression i'd be there anywa y but now i'm not sure

[left thistle]

Infantry and any other paradrop capable units can get in LUCKYDROP and EUREKA as well as our VTOLs

Oh holy shit

They are getting hammered

[fierce dirge]

It looks like Storm is not doing so great. My friend describes the situation as "FUBAR".

[left thistle]

Yeah me thinks we need to get down there for sure

[median epoch]

either there or on a HAT if you wanna be there early

ODTs will come one turn later

Your VTOLs are also in range to deploy, if you wanna send in your 3 best ground units and your heaviest big boy, now's the time

[left thistle]

Oh is that because the enemies were cleared at lussan?

[median epoch]

yea, also I better understand how the map travel works now, and we'll be one hex closer which is what we needed

[left thistle]

Oh wonderful!

[rigid oar]

So should we load up on the VTOL's as much as we can?

[left thistle]

On ours, yes definitely

Tho I would reserve it for medics and engineers imo

That way they’d have flexibility to go help storm rather than being stuck in the singular zone we can paradrop into

[rigid oar]

Yeah the more i look at it the more im probably jumping onto LUCKDRP

Whats the name of the lucky pilot by the way?

[left thistle]

Failhouse

[muted eagle]

@eager carbon Would you be able to move from the HAT Eureka into a VTOL? Just wanna make sure you're in a more secure vehicle, don't want our medical corps being shot out the sky afterall 😅

[muted eagle]

Right, turns out I won't be helping in the southwest, storm is in desperate need of a medic and I'm probably the only one mad enough to drop into that area

Wish me luck

[south ether]

so who am i transporting and to where?

[jolly cloud]

As a fellow VTOL I would like to ditto this question

[median epoch]

Here's the doc

[muted eagle]

Are either of you willing to drop me right into the middle of combat?

[south ether]

yes

[muted eagle]

Right, so you'll be carrying me and dropping me into where storm is positioned

I will warn you, this may be incredibly risky

[south ether]

i am in iron hammer gambling is implied right

[iron arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-cat-kitty-tears-gif-24106422

[muted eagle]

Correct

It is always the right gamble afterall

[median epoch]

-# unless you want to paradrop

-# it's not as awesome, but you'd get there

[jolly cloud]

I’m def leaning more toward airborne logi than frontline assault, just since I think we need some help in the logi department, so I’m not opposed to staying cased up until landfall

But if someone really needs to get to the surface I can make that happen 🫡

[iron arrow]

I mean my company originated from an airborne regiment lore-wise so it would be fitting but i'll pass this time

[rigid oar]

So for troopers paradropping are we going to have drop on the outskirts in move in as to avoid getting smacked by a building?

[muted eagle]

Right, so this turn we'll launch from atlas's ships, then hopefully survive the fighters and land down around the red circle

[median epoch]

either that, or the whole plane has to be ok with taking 1d4 damage from landing in an urban zone

[rigid oar]

Because if I am being honest not getting my soldiers plastered on the side of a building is a goal. Also Is the space port a building? Would 3318 be considered safe to drop to as it does not have anything highlighted so i assume no obstacle?

Our would it be closer to 2919's direction

[muted eagle]

May I request that whatever you have that is able to drop without taking the damage, immediately goes to reinforce storm?

[rigid oar]

Yes but the question is how close can we get without getting damage

[left thistle]

The safest place for us to drop would be the south west corner

[median epoch]

that'd be just your VTOLs

the HATs will drop nearby

[muted eagle]

What about the ODTs?

[median epoch]

not til next turn, out of range

[muted eagle]

Damn

Unfortunate

[rigid oar]

I am all for not getting most of my squad wiped on a d4 but the question is what is the closest location we can do that. If we cant do 3318 or 3319 then we will have to do 2819 and 2818 ie the bottom left.

[muted eagle]

Well we definitely need to send people to the southwest

[rigid oar]

though their does seem to be somthing at 3018

[muted eagle]

Because that's one rather good looking artillery spot

[median epoch]

Here you go. Either lower left, or upper right are the safe spots

[rigid oar]

Will arty have a bad affect on the units we have entrenched already?

[muted eagle]

Oh, perfect, the 5 question marks are moving away from the ridge!

[median epoch]

might be able to squeeze you in at 3413

[rigid oar]

Yeah so i guess we cant squeeze a paradrop into 3818.

[median epoch]

there's no way to guarantee it though

[left thistle]

We could paradrop in 2818, 2819, and 2820. Crest the hill and unload into whatever is lined up in 3018 that turn, and the next round double time it into some buildings to then support storm the following turn

[iron arrow]

3314 looks good if shack doesn't count the edges of buildings in the corners as 'urban terrain'

[rigid oar]

Yeah that is probably going to be the best we can do with paradroping

[median epoch]

whatever you end up picking, let your HAT pilot know, we don't want to split your two HATs up either, only got 4 fighters to keep you alive

I gotta go. Good hunting Hammers!

[muted eagle]

Good luck!

[rigid oar]

Same could be said for 3118

and 3318

[south ether]

Survive fighter drop on starport stay intact enough to help out, rest comes later

[rigid oar]

But if we do plan to drop arty and protect it then we should drop bottom right, move up to the ridge, and then push into the buildings. Plus flanking the clankers should help.

[left thistle]

Can arty paradrop?

We only have 1 hvtol

[muted eagle]

Yep

[muted eagle]

I think artillery has to take HVTOL

[rigid oar]

I just hope whatever is at 3018 isnt going to put a wrench in that plan. Atlas is renting us 3 VTOL i believe

[left thistle]

So are they running evasive in front of us to screen the fire?

Bless

[muted eagle]

We might be able to get some of storm's HVTOLs to get our troops on the ground

[median epoch]

those are your VTOLs, but yes, you've got 3

[rigid oar]

Well then one could be used to move an arty right?

Though we might not get to deploy both arty

[left thistle]

I mean frankly we’d have a high ground bonus and if they’re bots we’d be shooting into their backs. With three inf squads we have a good shot of wiping them immediately

If we land and push the ridge straight away

[rigid oar]

Yeah that does seem to be the plan

[left thistle]

Unfortunately that corner is the safest place to deploy troops en mass

[old lark]

Does arty work against armor? I thought it was just defense, and the bots aren't digging in

[rigid oar]

Well we have arty we might as well use it. Dont want two units sitting their doing nothing. Plus they can help support the inf units move up.

[left thistle]

There are/could end up being bots in buildings. That defense bonus with their inherent armor would make pushing up on them rough without arty tbh

[rigid oar]

also @stark rune my troops are in your hands, fly true pilot.

[left thistle]

And don’t even get me started if they decide to dig in rather than bum rush the space port

[old lark]

Yeah, just saying it's probably not prio

[left thistle]

Hear hear to that

[stark rune]

Straight into the bots right? Down into the belly of the beast

[left thistle]

Oh yeah I would like to get an Mbt down for fire power or an lm for safe scouting

[median epoch]

@muted eagle feel free to hop into our chat with any questions you have.

[muted eagle]

Will do

[rigid oar]

While my soldiers would sing of a maneuver like that for ages it seems the plan will be to drop somewhere behind the enemy and flank them from behind.

[old lark]

If you could get all your mbts down, you'd have a good chance of wiping 3+ full squads per round... mmmm, vengeance

[rigid oar]

Who runs crown and husky. Should probably solidify the plan with my fellow passengers.

[fierce dirge]

It seems to me like there will be a number vehicles on the east side of the map.

If we are dropping the MBT's we should prepare for vehicles coming in along the roads

[rigid oar]

Also I would like to say a word to the three units that have already fallen. May they rest in peace.

[left thistle]

I run crown lol

[left thistle]

Yeah probably all the more reason to use the west as a staging ground, don’t need to drop our armor pre-flanked 😂

[fluid viper]

Can't arty also just do a normal attack at range 4? Even if you are not shredding defense you still do work.

[old lark]

Not unless you're the spg refit

Arty don't have a normal attack

[fluid viper]

So for if we are landing we can assume that Enni, Stainz and Rhino probably won't survive next turn without major help. That leaves the west side really open to enemy attacks.

If we are doing a hot drop with our ODTs we should possibly focus those guys for help.

[solar bear]

I back and just read the all of the midrounds... We can deploy on using the HATs and/or using the space port??

[hazy radish]

Just finished reading the midrounds

And back from the gym

Wooh boy

Sooooooooo. What's the plan so far ?

[fluid viper]

Panic?

[hazy radish]

Okay.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Is that enough ?

[left thistle]

We’d need clarification on if we can use the space port atm, but that would delay us a turn

[solar bear]

Strom did become Stormchaser....

[fluid viper]

yep now we gotta kick steel

If we do the HAT trick I want to know how close to the space port is safe for paradropping.

It says if landed on a building

If we aim down a street and stretch the guys down it is that safe?

[hazy radish]

Not really, they got there good

[left thistle]

We’d have to ask, but based off our current info, the safest place would be south west corner

[hazy radish]

Uuuuuuh even zooming on paint.net I can't make good sense of what's happening

Hold on I'm gonna need some markers... gimme a pencil

[fluid viper]

As a note those SW corner guys we thought where possible artillery moved and are now against a wall. It is possibly 5 more infantry squads

[old lark]

Big pushes from all corners, huge friendly losses basically everywhere since no one could dig in

[hazy radish]

Alright, this is better now.

[old lark]

But biggest problems probably concentrated in the west

[hazy radish]

I visualize way easier what's happening with this.

[left thistle]

Yeah if we paradrop next turn on the other side of the hill and then push up, we should have a great vantage point to unload into them. Assuming they’re bots

[hazy radish]

better one*

[hazy radish]

So, is the plan of us paradroping south-west still an idea ?

[fluid viper]

Rhino in the SW is also a need help

[hazy radish]

3/6 is okay

[left thistle]

For those of us taking the HATs, I believe so. The ppl taking the VTOLs can just get stuck in wherever

[hazy radish]

Right, but that's only for infantry then

Vehicles can't get paradropped

[left thistle]

Yeah

[fluid viper]

Yeah but they don't have much to aborb hits for them with SCPL dead

[hazy radish]

Thing is the bots do have armor

[hazy radish]

confirm, alright

[left thistle]

Yeah but two inf squads at full fs gunning them should do the trick, and if we get all our infantry to deploy via HATs, we’d have localized numerical superiority down in the south west

Unless we can paradrop all of our inf on 3218

[hazy radish]

well, we'd be distracting that group that got to the wall

Thing is, we need to be enough to be able to tank 5 bot infantries, and hold until reinforcements come from the starport

...this feels incredibly dangerous, especially knowing our amount of infantry

I'm not sure our infantry would make it out alive.

[left thistle]

Wait are those question marks 5 individual bots or 5 squads?

[hazy radish]

they'd have to tank and hold for at least 3 rounds

[hazy radish]

...probably squads ?

[left thistle]

Oh…

Yeah, I thought it was 5 bots lmao

[hazy radish]

I'd heer on the side of caution

[left thistle]

Fair point

[hazy radish]

Seeing their movement, it must be 1 speed

[left thistle]

I guess it depends on where the VTOL-borne units want to go. We’re all going to make it planetside next turn (except for sven 😢) so if the vtol-borne units also deploy SW then we’d have enough forces to push NE and clear the way towards the space port.

If the VTOL-carried peeps want to get stuck in with storm around the space port, the HAT teams are going to have to rethink our insert

[median epoch]

my advice is to write some stuff down somewhere other than the chat, then you can reference what each person wants to do

also, our boarding plan got reduced to 1 VTOL carrying 2 PAI with no backup, so one more VTOL just freed up for transport

[hazy radish]

Wait so can hats & stuff land mbts and all ?

I'm kinda confused what's happening now

are we enacting the op deuce/shit creek thingy ?

[left thistle]

No but we have 4 vtols now and 1 (maybe more if storm is willing to come back up) HVTOL to carry units down

[median epoch]

HAT - paradrop infantry units.
VTOL - land infantry units
HVTOL - land heavy unit

HAT can deliver vehicles, but only to an airport with a runway

[left thistle]

So using all of that, we can get all of our infantry down and one vehicle down next turn

[muted eagle]

Well, it's always the right gamble sir :p

[median epoch]

Light Vehicles can paradrop, but you don't have any of those so no biggie

[left thistle]

LMs can’t?

[median epoch]

nop, they can orbital drop though

[left thistle]

Ah… makes sense

[median epoch]

we'll have an open pod for one of yours next turn (since us PAI will be busy trying to take the frigate)

[hazy radish]

Yes, that I got, okay

[hazy radish]

Okay okay, so we are getting vtols & hvtols from atlas ship in high elim orbit, into low orbit, into dropping ?

Boy how the fuck am I gonna map this out is my big question

But other then that problem (which is a problem for me later), that means, getting declared, and isn't that still kinda risky to do ?

[left thistle]

I don’t think the frigate above elim has the capability to hurt atlas (maybe the HATs, but definitely not Atlas proper)

[muted eagle]

We need to do it now

Storm is in massive trouble

[hazy radish]

that hard ?

looks at the map i've done

scratches head

did anyone ask storm what they think about this ?

[median epoch]

I can handle the space insertion for you, all you'll need to do is indicate where your VTOLs are landing, and where your units are jumping out of the HATs

[hazy radish]

I mean, more like "how fucked are you guys" more then "do you need help"

[left thistle]

Also I think it’s a little late to not declare. Every other bg that wasn’t carried by a tf is in their auto transports. If we don’t declare we’d be like 5 turns behind

[hazy radish]

the answer to that last question will always be "YES" in any situation 🤣

[muted eagle]

Storm requested a medic

So I'll be taking a VTOL down to them

[left thistle]

On paradropping, can multiple squads jump out into the same hex?

Like could we all dog pile on the hill at 3218?

[hazy radish]

must be a line i think

[median epoch]

they'll have to, the HATs have exactly enough speed to descend over one hex

but since they're coming from high orbit, you can pick exactly where

[muted eagle]

It's gotta be a line, but I imagine they can be in the same hex

[left thistle]

Is in a line according to the flight path, wasn’t sure if they also had to string out along the entire flight path

[median epoch]

[here's](#1386030427130564769 message) a good example of a ground map for VTOL landings:

[left thistle]

Yeah that’s cursed lmao

[median epoch]

yours will be smaller, only 4 VTOLs to worry about

[hazy radish]

yup

[median epoch]

and if you want, you can send yours to me, and we can submit a joint order

[hazy radish]

...already gushing my eyes out seeing this

[hazy radish]

I'll see what we'll do, i'm too tired to think properly on how to map this out

for now let's figure out how do we get this underway in a good manner

mapping is a problem for us later

[left thistle]

Yeah we need everyone to declare intentions first

[hazy radish]

SO, before I mentally check out, if I haven't already

So, TURN 4 PLANS SO FAR:

• Atlas declares us
• Our VTOLs & HVTOLs, aswell as HATs/VTOLS/HVTOLs from Atlas & Storm go out of atlas with what storm needs, goes to high orbit of elim with fighter escort from atlas, low orbit drop onto the fray to help them. The VTOL & HVTOL along with their cargo rushing through in Elim is risky and we need to make sure everyone is aware of it and consents to do this, cargo included. Sign-up is on Atlas sheet here in "Deployment Methods" for transports.
• Thoses in the cargo put in orders to deploy from the starport, as if the orbital dies this turn, it'll turn into a strategic map, and we'll be able to turn up there aswell.

Yes ?

[muted eagle]

Yes

[hazy radish]

OKAY.

WEW.

[left thistle]

Yep

[hazy radish]

Alright.

[median epoch]

Tres bien

[hazy radish]

@tardy blaze Hey Dresden, mind pinning this ?

And, oh boy, unpin literally everything else but the one pin with the spreadsheet please :D

And the, new pin, with what I asked you to pin, obviously.

[median epoch]

-# FYI, you can edit your pinned comments so you don't have to keep bugging Dresden

[left thistle]

Also, just checked the rules, dropping on a hill doesn’t proc the d4 penalty, so we could technically dogpile all of our infantry onto the hill at 3218 to help relieve the southern front lol

[hazy radish]

I know, but when I said I would do that to Dresden, he just went "PFFFFT I'm not gonna pin a placeholder, just ping me when you need something pinned"

So, if that doesn't bother him we cool then

[median epoch]

A paradrop/VTOL mass landing in one spot might be good, maybe you can send out an outlier or two for medical rescue

[fluid viper]

So if we are dropping on the hill we have 2 options for our engineers.

A) drop with our engineers with the main force to immediately get sand bags for our guys to fight behind.

B) drop on Stormblessed to try to save individual units by giving them armor and some soaking

[median epoch]

that's a good thing for a poll if you want

[left thistle]

Yeah I think we’d need to stick together as much as possible so we’re not getting picked off

[hazy radish]

Honnestly if we only have 4 vtols & 1 hvtol we should ask storm what they need

[median epoch]

yea, solid plan, I'll leave you to it!

[hazy radish]

that's assuming all 5 want to run the gauntlet

Maybe some will say "nope, too risky" and we'll have less then currently anticipated.

Consent folks, consent.

[left thistle]

Fair fair

[hazy radish]

I'll give a shout to storm

[left thistle]

Im gonna get a sanity check on paradropping in the first place before i run away with this idea

[muted eagle]

I should have a new map of a general plan by tomorrow

[left thistle]

We also have the HATs potentially going out this turn French, don’t forget

[hazy radish]

We have HATs ?

I didn't even factor in atlas ngl

[left thistle]

Yep two HATs at our disposal lol

And a 4 fighter screen going ahead of us too

[hazy radish]

notes notes

Do we have a sheet somewhere in atlas or iron hammer for noting all this plan so far ?

[left thistle]

Screen shots lmao

I’ll make a new sheet on our doc rq

Won’t be pretty

[hazy radish]

nonohold on

I could have sworn @median epoch had something going in his sheet for that ?

[left thistle]

Or wait no, we should just use Atlas’s deployment sheet for this one

[hazy radish]

Fuck this really is baby steps for this plan 🤣

Iron Hammer tries to make a plan stick together, it takes 2 hours to have the idea going, 4 hours for the first order, and 8 more for the second one.
48 hours later, a sheet is made to organize the plan, but the deadline's already passed.

[left thistle]

and in the end we just roll the dice on everything

[hazy radish]

also, someone remind me to make some patchwork on iron hammer logo tomorrow if J.Jordan is still unresponsive, I'lll try my best

AND ON THAT BOMBSHEELL me mentally checking out of armco today :)

[muted eagle]

Uh oh

[hazy radish]

I'll go to sleep soon enough™, ping me if there's something important at some point or something

[muted eagle]

The dice is a 3

This does not bode well for the lives of my medics

[left thistle]

👀

Night French!

[muted eagle]

But damn the consequences, full speed ahead to bringing back those infantry from the dead

[muted eagle]

Goodnight French

[fluid viper]

Don't we have until Thursday to get orders in? Or is it Wednesday?

[muted eagle]

Wednesday

[fluid viper]

Oh

[left thistle]

Wait tomorrow?!?

[muted eagle]

TAC-COM maps are Thursday

[left thistle]

Oh dear

[muted eagle]

Yep

[fluid viper]

Ok we gotta work

[muted eagle]

I'll see if I can chuck something together in the morning

[fluid viper]

Hey @sleek cedar you are our other Engineer and you have some combat capability. If we only have space in the drop for 1 Engineer do you want dibs or should I do it?

[hazy radish]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

depends on timezone shenanigans

Schedule - Start Date <t:1750629600:F>
Orders from Players Due Sunday, Wednesday <t:1749592800:t> or 6PM EDT
Tac-Com Maps Due Monday & Thursday <t:1749592800:t> or 6PM EDT
Tactical Maps Released on Tuesday & Friday <t:1749592800:t> or 6PM EDT

[fluid viper]

Ah tomorrow at 5pm

[hazy radish]

24 hours from now yeah ?

or nah ?

[left thistle]

Pretty much yeah

[fluid viper]

Pretty much

[hazy radish]

CHRIST

SOMEBODY GET THIS PLAN GOING BEFORE I WAKE UP TOMORROW

[muted eagle]

I'll wake up at 5am tomorrow

I'll see what I can do

I already have an idea of a plan, I just need people to sign up for HATs and VTOLs

[fierce dirge]

Where do we sign up?

[fluid viper]

Atlas has a Google doc in here

#1382037040438181950 message

The sign up is in there

[left thistle]

Its in the “deployment methods” tab

I have a feeling I’m going to need to resend my questions in meta-comm

[left thistle]

Fair warning we’d likely be able to deploy only one vehicle this round

[fierce dirge]

This is fair

[left thistle]

Tho given what storm is asking for it’s likely going to be an mbt that can soak up hits anyways so feel free to put yourself down if you want

[charred swift]

we still drop next week right?

[left thistle]

Nah we dropping Friday now

[charred swift]

when do we put orders in? might need help with that lol

[fluid viper]

23 hours from now

[left thistle]

Orders are due in 23.5 hours.

French has a guide in our orders channel here https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1385617845831995402

[left thistle]

Also check out the “deployment methods” tab on Atlas’s spreadsheet here

[charred swift]

Okay next question, do I post it in that channel?

[left thistle]

Yep!

[charred swift]

okay, and hopefully the last one lol, with the answer from Adam and then you, Chinderella, are the orders needing to be posted in the next 24 hours, or are we able to post them after 24 hours?

[left thistle]

I think they need to be within the next 24 hours

[charred swift]

wonderful, looks like we're deploying facing south east, but the plan is to further our movements south if i'm reading their orders correctly?

[left thistle]

Honestly, the plan is very bare bones at the moment so I’d just stay tuned

Also you’re a mech right?

[charred swift]

Yeah i'm light mech

[hazy radish]

transfers that over

Also hey Techno.

[charred swift]

hi! lol

[hazy radish]

So uh I think what we're dropping today is thoses who wanna go on a vtol & hvtol through

[left thistle]

Ah okay you might be deploying a round after us, maybe using the open heavy drop pod. We can only carry one vehicle this round and STORM really wants an mbt

[hazy radish]

starport drop should be next round

[hazy radish]

there's this i made up

shit's still in it's baby steps, we're all trying to figure out together what's happening lol

[charred swift]

fair ehough haha

[hazy radish]

ill be going to sleep now, g'night gents

[charred swift]

g'night!! and yeah @left thistle I noticed i'm sitting in 2nd wave in an HD pod

If something changes, and I need my orders in today can someone tag me?

[fluid viper]

Do you want to do a duo drop next to me and we can save Enni?

We have him declare digging in, I drop Sandbags, you heal and then we have an instant trench to fight out of?

[left thistle]

I’m sure French will once we get closer, tho you may just need to put in a holding order just so everyone in the bg is declared

[fierce dirge]

The plan from Atlas to air-drop, so we cant actually bring in any vehicles

[charred swift]

Understood I'll keep an eye out

[old lark]

Note the convoy in the southeast: it's moving in, probably heavier bot reinforcements

[neat fossil]

I’m currently dumping my thoughts on current intel on the Pathfinders comms. Might want to read it.

[eager lichen]

Storm swearing over the radio about needing reinforcements

[eager lichen]

Would prefer to VTOL people to go in and support STORM immediately.

[eager lichen]

Land, yes. Paradrop, no.

And we don't have an airfield, so no landing.

[left thistle]

Yeah we’ve pretty much scrapped that already

[fluid viper]

HVTOLs are it outside putting an Orbital in the space port.

Stormblessed is debating sending their 2 HVTOLs up to us or using them to bunny hop their tank to better positions

[fluid viper]

I am willing to join Storm just to give them some armor. I can disembark, drop 2 sandbags and probably die.

If we don't have HAT airdrops I would prefer to go SE to our mass of troops down there and reinforce a strong point rather then waste reinforcements on a failed position.

[eager carbon]

Can do
Sorry thought i did

Done and done

[old lark]

Over at Pathfinder we're assuming the 5-bunch you're dropping behind is friendly: they're bunching up behind that wall, and there's no evidence the bots would even consider using cover like that

[fluid viper]

I think that is a dangerous assumption.

Though if the bots perform as advertised (advancing toward space port) we could hit them in the rear and avoid their armor.

[left thistle]

I agree, but if we can HAT drop all of our infantry unto one tile (the hill at 3218) we could really dig in and lock down the entire SW approach

Which would free up the vehicles to respond to threats as needed

[old lark]

Assuming they're hostile and a priority target despite their noticeably distinct behavior is more dangerous: drop behind them with enough firepower to take them out and your infantry won't be able to reach a position to relieve any part of Storm

[fluid viper]

I personally think 2919 is too far out of the action to give adequate help to Storm. If we land out there our infantry will lose a turn running to catch up. And Storm dies immediately.

I think 3218 is our best bet.

If we need an extended line for dropping a stick of infantry go from the south end of 3217 down to 3219

I can prep for what is coming from the West by landing West end of 3218 and sandbag between the 2 walls

2 infantry digging in there can then fight with 2 armor

[calm plank]

FWIW, i also think 3218 is probably the best drop point. It has the highest chance of not resulting in damage from dropping in an urban area. It is also near the engi & medics on the ground, as well as a few of the healthier infantry squads.

You can try and launch the VTOLs on the northern side, but that area probably needs PAI.

[fluid viper]

Like this. Arrow is direction of HAT drop, Red Lines are sandbags, circle is where we try to consolidate most.

We need more people to sign up for spots

2 empty VTOLs and almost nothing in the HATs so far

[left thistle]

That is exactly what I was envisioning!

[left thistle]

Lurkers time to reactivate lol

[left thistle]

I think you have to go in a different VTOL than Dice. They can only hold 6fs and you both are 4

[eager carbon]

Ah
Of course

Some point i will get this right

[left thistle]

Lol, I have all of the rules and spreadsheets perpetually open... and I still get confused all the time

[eager carbon]

Ok fixed

[left thistle]

Okay but that means all of the VTOLs are full, we just need someone in the HVTOL and all of our inf to sign up and we should be good to go for drop!

Well, the remaining two inf

Since I think sven is going to wait to ODT

[solar bear]

I could go on the HVTOL... Since I have the autocannon upgrade, I could provide support from a longer distance...

[fluid viper]

If in the morning that stuff is still empty I am going to ping every infantry man to wake them up

[simple elm]

Shit, where do I need to sign up?

[left thistle]

Under the "Deployment Methods" tab

[atomic basalt]

(MBT here just catching up on plans and seeing where vehicles might be deploying)

[fluid viper]

We are trying to get Stormblessed HVTOLs up to move more down immediately (1 said yes the other has not responded yet).

Currently looks like only 2-3 MBTs will deploy this turn overall.

We can move the infantry relatively easy and are doing so but some MBTs likely must wait for space port landing.

Oh sounds like we have 2 HVTOLs coming up and I think we have 1 already?

[left thistle]

Nice so all 3 mbts can make it this turn

[fluid viper]

Wait we have 2 HVTOLs and a Heavy Drop Pod

Which I think can drop a mech but not a tank?

[left thistle]

yeah but that would be the turn after

Since Atlas proper would need to be above the city for Drop Pods

[fluid viper]

Oh yeah of course.

[left thistle]

Tho you've kinda already been signed up lol 😅

[simple elm]

👌

[eager lichen]

Leaning towards sending them up right now, standby.

[left thistle]

Also, and no one rly needs to have the answer for this right now, but did we ever get a definitve answer on if we'd be able to paradrop in Elim at all?

[sleek cedar]

@fluid viper "The north west side of the star port is a mess of a fire fight. Casualties are high. The bots don't take cover, they don't move quickly. They just march on. ENNI reporting it takes a full mag dump to take one down..." From Mid rounds. If we assume those units on the wall are hiding then it is not in the current bot MO. Though, we all know what they say about assuming.

[sleek cedar]

If you feel passionate about the plan I've seen you discussing send it. My combat capabilty can be used in both scenarios for deployment.

[left thistle]

Well that just means you can HAT drop with the grunts lmao

We have more than enough space

[fluid viper]

I think if we do the Hill option me and Chinderella were discussing above we both will deploy and we would set up 2 sandbag lines on deployment.

[sleek cedar]

Its just dangerous for both of us to be on one flight as if it gets knocked both of Iron hammer engis are gone

[sleek cedar]

I thought I saw your plan was to hot drop on storm and set up some sandbags for them.

[fluid viper]

That was the original plan but I think that is tossing wood on a fire rather then actually winning the battle looking more at resources we have.

Enni is almost certainly dead no matter what we do.

[sleek cedar]

Fair. I'm not opposed to the sandbag idea, tough I do think we need to be on different transports.

[fluid viper]

Oh absolutely. I think the plan is our 4FS units are in VTOLs to avoid any chance of a bad drop leading to taking 1d4 damage

[sleek cedar]

Unfortunately there isn't enough VTOLs to get both us and the the medics down in one go. Unless one of the medics sit it out, which Storm needs so I doubt it lol

[fluid viper]

Ok I can paradrop then. Your unit is more valuable then mine.

[sleek cedar]

Or I can wait. Our vehicles won't get down for a turn so I can deploy with them at the space port. That way I can act as another gun at the spaceport if needed or fix up the VTOLs that are still there. I've played before so I am preferential to getting you in the action first so you can experience it lol

[fluid viper]

I am currently in 3 different war game PbP. My goal is winning. Don't worry about giving me a chance to play. I play plenty of war games of a similarish style (none quite as big or crunchy as this one).

Also we both see action this turn if you go VTOL and I go jump with a Stick.

You just get an optimal spot and I have a little RNG where I land

[calm plank]

If Atlas /Fluffle clear the sky, redwall and shovels will also deploy with you and the few in Atlas.

[left thistle]

wait you'd be able to deploy this round?

[calm plank]

Yup, redwall is move 3

if Elim high orbit doesnt have a tactical map, it only counts as 1 move

[sleek cedar]

@fluid viper Fair enough. Then I think your plan is best. I'll take the VTOL ride if you're still offering it and we can deploy out and set up the sandbags. if the those unknowns are hostile we will be better prepared.

Was it determined where the drop will be

[left thistle]

Ah do the auto transports not have the half movement debuf when descending to the surface? Sorry I haven't rly been paying attention to that side of the campaign

[calm plank]

Not 100% sure.

[eager lichen]

IRON HAMMER TCO (or someone who knows what's going on),

Fill out the following intent page for coordination purposes

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qFkFUIQjjFQVOd7Au0cdv8I-KX31-_6jAF_U4JfvRUU/edit?tab=t.jrwuqfimtkc7

[left thistle]

Both our TCOs are asleep 😭

[eager lichen]

If you know what's going on, fill it in!

[left thistle]

Also, did you ever get an answer to whether or not we could drop on a hill/street without taking the d4? I saw you put that on the Tac-Comm chat a bit ago

The answer to that kinda defines how we’re gonna do things

[eager lichen]

Nope. Waiting on an answer still.

Make 2 plans.

[left thistle]

Dang

It’ll be a rough outline for now