Battlegroup 12 - Iron Hammer: Comms

[muted eagle]

Was gonna do it in the sheet, but then I thought "yeah, no, I can't be bothered"

[left thistle]

Lmao thanks for setting it up!

[muted eagle]

The results will be an hour or two late though since I've got d&d when the vote ends

[muted eagle]

Right, looks like Atlas won't be trying to board the battlecruiser

[left thistle]

Wow victorum rly just shat all over that idea lmao

[muted eagle]

Yep

[left thistle]

Like I agree with the decision but the way they arrived at it was… oof

[solar bear]

I don't think Atlas understand that Victorum WILL NOT hold fire...

[warped axle]

I do.

[warped axle]

The vibe of the campaign thus far from my position sitting in the Endurance Mech Bay w/ my thumb up my ass is that no one cares what Atlas says. They are going to do what they want, and all they want from us is a Large Supply.

I'd rather run the blockade and continue w/ haste... but having my taccom's ideas be dismissed out of hand has me a touch salty.

[muted eagle]

Yeah, fair enough

[left thistle]

Nah yeah I would be pretty miffed too

[solar bear]

I do agree with you on that front... In the end of the day the decision of what Atlas wants to do is entirely up to atlas... Do I disagree it the decision?? Yes, quite strongly mind you... But is still Atlas decision...

[left thistle]

Sure but when one of the options is getting shot by friendlies with no recourse, it’s kinda not an option any more

[warped axle]

where i'm at is i'd rather deliver yall first, but a short delay to gather intel on what's going on in that factory ship and maybe save some otters from a grisly fate? i get the appeal.

we'll see how it shakes out i guess.

[iron arrow]

wait what is this drama about

[left thistle]

Long story short: Intel says there are life forms on the bottom BC, which Atlas thinks might be civilians. So they were going to stick around a turn and board them to check it out. But victorum has kinda come in and said they’re shooting the thing regardless of whether or not Atlas has ppl on it

Oh and also an internal debate amongst hammers about the merits of atlas stopping this round lol

[muted eagle]

Tbh, I myself wouldn't say there's necessarily a right decision between the two options they're discussing

[left thistle]

Yeah it’s a matter of opinions. From a narrative perspective tho, this was such a great element to throw in. Starts forcing ppl to filter their decisions through an rp lens balancing trade offs and such

[iron arrow]

i'll try to say this as bluntly as i can without appearing hostile: That is quite an assholeish manner of doing things

[iron arrow]

pls no more waiting i will not survive

[muted eagle]

Yeah, it certainly is

[left thistle]

Hence the little pity party we’ve been having here lmao

[mighty osprey]

That depends if Atlas decides to board or not

[left thistle]

I mean the new plan of dip in and out with the vtol wouldn’t slow us down at all since atlas can’t leave the Kissane gate area for 2 turns

[mighty osprey]

ah didnt see that plan

[left thistle]

Yeah their chat is absolutely buzzing rn tbf

[mighty osprey]

ye

[left thistle]

Reupping this! Don’t forget to vote!

[hazy radish]

when does it end ?

[hazy radish]

AYYYYYYY NICE

[hazy radish]

...ayyy not nice ?

[fluid viper]

Shack had to step in and calm the people

[muted eagle]

8pm tomorrow

So lasts a bit over 24h

[hazy radish]

a

i wanted it 48hrs

:s

like the last one

D:

[muted eagle]

Ah

I can change that quickly

There we go

It's 48h now

Though that will still be during me playing d&d unfortunately

[hazy radish]

poggies

that's alright

[muted eagle]

Damn, looks like it's a tie right now

That makes me wonder

What the hell do we do if it's a tie?

[mighty osprey]

we go again

[hazy radish]

if tie

single vote

discord poll

the last 2 options

[muted eagle]

That changes nothing, because it'll just end up tying again, no? 😅

[mighty osprey]

maybe, maybe not

[muted eagle]

Unless we have someone change their mind

[hazy radish]

I'd be happy for you to edit this message with more info about the vote & current situation with atlas and the round please

I've asked dresden to pin it so, might aswell include an update on it 👀

[muted eagle]

Mind writing it? I'm not that great at making summaries 😅

[hazy radish]

Honnestly was hopping you'd do it so you get more involved :D

[muted eagle]

I'm quite happy being behind the more technical things tbh :p

[hazy radish]

I, Vivian, and it's totally not Frenchboi writing it for me because I'm not good at making summaries, **have made the (hopefully) last poll on this website, to know what's gonna be our new motto !**
[Link]

This website allows for a better system then first past the post, basically allowing for preference choice (so, 1st choice, 2nd choice, 3rd choice, etc) and thus a fair-er representation of what people really want, then having multiple equal votes or one singular votes.
**If there is a tie, there will be a discord poll with single choice ran, hopefully for the last time.**

__As for news of the front !__
- Currently, **Atlas has been engaged by the meanie bots as seen in the midround events, and are currently debating whether to stay fight or go through to Elim City.** I (as in Frenchboi, not Vivian, remember, it's me writing this :D) think personally the best decision is to go get the starport at all costs so we avoid a costly paradrop, but, well, that's just my opinion. We'll let Atlas make their own decision.
- We are still waiting, as most other Battlegroups really.
- Storm has made it through to Elim City orbit ! However, they've got an orbital waiting for them up there... *Audible gulp*

And I think that's it ! This was I, Vivian, and totally not Frenchboi !
# Don't forget to often check the pins ! :Salute: ```

[mighty osprey]

this feels like a psyop

[hazy radish]

There, made it in a easily copy/pastable manner

God, I beg and scream for the right gamble NOT to win 🤣

We'll see with more votes !

[mighty osprey]

common boss, i poured my heart and soul into that one 🥺

[solar bear]

You and me both mate...

[muted eagle]

Smh, having it not win would be mean to edited

[hazy radish]

I like it but, it's just too much of a joke, I don't think it'll carry over to next time xD

I love it and at the same time I think it's too much

[tired jewel]

The more you say no, the more likely it is to pass

[muted eagle]

Does edited also get a vote as an honourary iron hammer?

Clearly we need a poll for this

[hazy radish]

Yes

@left tapir aswell

[mighty osprey]

oh i mean i've been voting this entire time

[hazy radish]

They've willingly transfered for the good of the operation to battlegroups that needed them, they originally were Iron Hammer, so I'm counting 'em

Especially since both were active folks :D

[mighty osprey]

Vivian i swear to god

[muted eagle]

Perhaps I should get the dice out instead

[hazy radish]

hahahahahaha

[hazy radish]

Hold on, we need a poll for this

does vivian get her dice or do we make a poll ?

[muted eagle]

Let's see what the dice thinks about making a poll

[left thistle]

🙏🙏🙏

[muted eagle]

The dice loves the idea of making a poll

[mighty osprey]

The leadership of this Battlegroup fills me with fear

[hazy radish]

vivian c-can you add t-the bold and the underscore p-p-wease ? 🥺

[hazy radish]

like it's layed out here

[hazy radish]

Fuck me, there's a leadership ?

[left thistle]

Ain’t that you…

[mighty osprey]

yes YOU

[hazy radish]

I swear, the more we wait, the more I feel like this battlegroup is getting crazyer and crazyer with memes and shitpost

[left thistle]

👀👀👀

[hazy radish]

Like eventually when we get delayed again someone will just go some dumb shit like

"pineapple"

and we'll all fucking embrace the shitpost

[atomic basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[solar bear]

Not so diffenrent than the old Hammer...

[hazy radish]

BUT WE DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO WAIT IN THE OLD HAMMER !

[left thistle]

Did someone say pineapple

[hazy radish]

THATS THE THING

[muted eagle]

Leadership? What leadership

[hazy radish]

WITH WAIT IT GETS STIRRED AND CRAZIER AND CRAZIER DARKHEN

DONT YOU SEE ???

WE'RE HEADED FOR A MEME CASCADE !!!

[mighty osprey]

YOU

[tired jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/munching-on-pineapple-sweet-ice-cream-cake-gif-2002272026769315529

[hazy radish]

i think i've launched something

(again)

[left thistle]

🍍🍍🍍

[hazy radish]

@tired jewel can I get your endu panic emote ?

y'know, the one that spins

panicked

[mighty osprey]

maybe i should have just become tac com...

[muted eagle]

You still can :p

Probably

[left thistle]

But then you’d have to deal with French and Vivian when they aren’t trying to be semi-responsible… are you sure you’d survive that?

[muted eagle]

Me? Trying to be semi-responsible? Sure is a funny joke :p

[mighty osprey]

I'm pretty sure i've been surviving it for the past 2 weeks

[mighty osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[tired jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/panic-anime-shookt-shocked-gif-10583115

[solar bear]

This is me half the time here...

[hazy radish]

perfect thanks

[muted eagle]

Anyway, back to gambling

[hazy radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1263994199804612751.webp?size=96&animated=true

[mighty osprey]

yeah this has also been me most of the time

[muted eagle]

Isn't it great here? :p

I've made such a great gambling program

That I can gamble while typing

[hazy radish]

Thanks Dresden !

[muted eagle]

Well, I should go to bed

So goodnight iron hammers

[hazy radish]

Goodnight Vivian !

[left thistle]

Night

[mighty osprey]

Goodnight Vivian

[fluid viper]

Holy crap the poll is close

[muted eagle]

Well, it's still got a while to go

[hazy radish]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-frank-castle-punisher-no-frank-castle-no-no-no-no-gif-24489266

[left thistle]

Yall rly love this gambling bit huh😭

[hazy radish]

Frenchboi [Iron Hammer TAC-COM]
— 25/06/2025 17:49
I swear if we get a motto that's in link with gambling in one way or another the next BG I make is gonna be named "Gambling Hammer" 🤣
#1383066706724913293 message

sweating rn

[fluid viper]

I really am not a fan of the gambling motif tbh.

[left thistle]

Me too French… me too

[hazy radish]

I like it, but I feel it's too far to have it as our motto for a joke that might not continue on later

...thinking of it I should maybe have put it outside but, hindsight 20/20 eh ?

Will of the people, all that.

[left thistle]

It’s a good inside joke to me, once we make it official it becomes wayyy less funny imo

[left thistle]

Yep democracy and whatnot

Also, just so ppl are aware you don’t have to rank all the options when submitting

[hazy radish]

oh!

I did

shit

...can I change my vote ?

[left thistle]

I explicitly didn’t vote for the gambling one out of spite and it actually let me submit

[left thistle]

double vote

[hazy radish]

fuck

makes me think we can't even verify who voted what even

...might not be the best website for this

[left thistle]

I actually don’t know that far lol. I only know the non-voting situation bc of my spite

[left thistle]

Yeahhhhhh

But what else is there?

[hazy radish]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[muted eagle]

I'm just hoping people who are non-iron hammers don't vote 😅

[hazy radish]

Same 😅

If you can add in the pinned msg before sleeping that you don't need to rank every option, you can just only rank a few

...i've ranked every option because I thought it was needed ngl 😅

[muted eagle]

If the amount of votes submitted is more than like, 26-27, then I'll make something in the spreadsheet

[left thistle]

Got it, so I just need to only double vote 24 times then >:)

[hazy radish]

God please don't xD

[left thistle]

How would you know tho 👀… jk jk 😂

[muted eagle]

I would notice that all the data is particularly skewed to a single option in the first round :p

[left thistle]

Ooop 👀

[hazy radish]

ngl now halfway regretting having put the gambling one 3rd or 4th...

I beg, I beg and scream.

(also fyi i'm not counting the website tie breaker, if there's a tie, we're having a singular vote here)

[left thistle]

Well I guess all you can do now is… gamble that it doesn’t pass

[glad hedge]

A new poll you say 👀

[muted eagle]

You could say... It's always the right gamble :p

[hazy radish]

In pins 👀

[glad hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/my-part-im-doing-my-part-army-soldier-gif-4718826

[mighty osprey]

If the gambling motto really makes people annoyed yall have my full blessing to get rid of it

[left thistle]

Well based off the vote it doesn’t rly seem to be that much of a deal breaker lol

Dw about it

[hazy radish]

If it's a majority, it's a majority

But wish I had a veto right about now 😅

I SWEAR IF ITS 1 VOTE CLOSE IM RUNNING IT AGAIN BECAUSE IM IN DENIAL 🤣

[hazy radish]

https://tenor.com/view/foxplushy-foxy-fox-vtuber-vtuber-fox-girl-gif-26697777

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldoncooper-bigbangtheory-awful-humanity-weep-gif-4896955

[mighty osprey]

I seem to have created a rift between the people and the brass

[solar bear]

Who is brass in here??

[glad hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeihcfYft9w

[left tapir]

It’s time to go gambling!

[mighty osprey]

I see it as you French and Vivian

Not in that order

[solar bear]

Me??

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-worried-scared-look-gif-23041456

[glad hedge]

Can I be the court Jester? 🤡 🃏

[mighty osprey]

Idk you’re like one of the ogs

[neat fossil]

Hey Iron Hammer, you guys got a plan planetside yet?

[fluid viper]

We did. It was Atlas was going to drop us. Now we may end waiting while they play pirates.

[neat fossil]

I meant more what you’ll do once yall get planetside.

[fluid viper]

Secure the spaceport then move to Crossroads and help secure that along with Rabbit Task Force.

[hazy radish]

Seems like a plan.

[hazy radish]

kill bots

win spaceport

[neat fossil]

The most detailed plan. Truly tis the Iron Hammer way. 🤣

[hazy radish]

Imma go to sleep, but if anyone wanna spend some time slightly theorizing what would be the best option for starport deployment, go ahead

Just, keep it simple. As in, "mbts here, infantry maybe here, something maybe here" with big circles 🤣

I can remember the big ass way-too-much-detail head-ache inducing plans of first turns in C3 and boy am I glad I went simple

something like that

[fluid viper]

I think those decisions have to wait until we see how Storm deploys and the bots respond.

[hazy radish]

Yeah, I'm just thinking of a way other then spiraling into gambling & PINEAPPLE so people can stop going crazy

Tbh doesn't hurt to think a bit about how we're gonna, deploy, and stuff, maybe.
Just, not too hard.

[fluid viper]

I am just sitting here like the Michael Jackson Popcorn meme watching Atlas make decisions that impact the entirety of the fleet.

[hazy radish]

I swear if I wake up tomorrow and I see a full on 47 step by step plan on how to properly deploy with everything set to a millimiter, I will shoot someone. 🤣

[fluid viper]

Really trying to not step on their toes.

[hazy radish]

Aight, g'night gents

Or G'evening

Or ahhh g'timezone yeah

[tired jewel]

this was going into a great turn. highlight of the campaign

Sleep well Frenchboi!

[glad hedge]

Ahhh good times. I can still see my bois on the map, with their broken turret lol

[left thistle]

They’re really going through it at the moment lol

[fluid viper]

It looks like run the blockade is starting to win so we may go down sooner.

[left thistle]

Yeah the boarding option kinda died the moment victorum said they didn’t give a shit about friendly fire lol

But that’s good news for us ig

[warped axle]

so i should plan, to the millimeter, all your prospective landing spots in the event of Operation Shit's Creek?

[fluid viper]

I am kind of sad it came to strong arming them into executing the mission a lot of people are relying on them to do.

[left thistle]

Why stop there, we should get it to the exact pixel

[left thistle]

Yeah. From an RP side I have a feeling this is exactly how a disparate group of mercenary companies would act with each other. From a player side tho…

[odd lake]

I have a bad feeling about our landing

if anything bad does happen, I'm blaming Hams

[warped axle]

this is not how i would characterize what happened, but, whatever. take what you will from it.
I voted to leave before TF1 got involved, so while i agree with the decision, i think it sets a pretty bad precedent.

[iron arrow]

The more I hear it sounds like Victorum were even worse about it than I thought

Makes me regret toning down my words

[warped axle]

everyone wants to do stuff, and is itching to get deployed. so there's literally hundreds of people watching it play out, and i don't think that environment was good for hashing this particular issue out. TF1 isn't a monolith either. some were diplomatic, some weren't. i think that this could've been hashed out better with just a couple calm heads and with less audience participation. that's why i didn't weigh in much (in the tf2 comms) beyond stating my opinion and voting, because i'm just sitting in a mech bay, i'm not really involved either. i'm deploying w/ yall. and yeah, a part of me wants to just hard burn and drop and get in there right away, but i also know i should probably try to separate that instinct from my decision making.

anyways, i came here to shitpost about gambling, and now i'm posting massive walls of text nobody gives a shit about, ugh.

[fierce dirge]

Is there something that I missed?

[warped axle]

nah, just some light drama between TFs, its fine.

it'll all be forgotten once everyone is stuck in.

[left thistle]

No yeah, it def could’ve been handled wayyyy better by people

But it’s the internet, ppl are always quick to anger here lol

[median epoch]

Mostly just a couple of meme-y "haha-warcrimes-are-funny" trolls pissing all over a very friendly conversation between TacComs about whether or not it's possible to save the possible civilians in the BC.

The verdict was an unfortunately, no, and getting y'all to the front to save storm was a major part of that decision, thanks for being patient

the poll is still ongoing, but it's at 20-6 to Burn hard and get to Elim ASAP.

which is the most people we've had vote in a poll so far (for atlas at least)

So yes, we're gonna do our best to stay on schedule, and get you all your early drop.

@hazy radish @muted eagle

The transit is kind of a gamble though...
So you all ready to roll the dice?

[muted eagle]

Why stop there? We should get it to the exact atom

[muted eagle]

Yes, I am

[simple elm]

So, where are we hitting the ground in Elm?

[muted eagle]

Uh oh

The dice is NOT with us right now

[hazy radish]

I WILL SHOOT YOU

[tired jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-panic-fuel-ahhhhhh-gif-18513549

I hope your proud of us if we pull this off. WEre cooking with gas in Dwarf Fort.

MORNING FRENCHIE

[hazy radish]

I read it diagonally, didn't feel like Victorum came in and said a straight no

Got a msg link?

[hazy radish]

God DANGIIIIT 🤣

[hazy radish]

Star port, hopefully

When is another question entirely

[hazy radish]

MORNING NALLA

Otherwise yeah, 400 player's worth of pressure that want to make sure they can play isn't good for sure.

[tired jewel]

I'm not too cut up about it, but I know people are

[solar bear]

Morning from someone who didn't sleep...

[hazy radish]

Ay, I know Iron Hammer's is the main concern since they're the bg in atlas, so I voiced my opinion there once but, overall it's their decision to make not ours

Just hopping it's the right one, as everyone else is

[solar bear]

I did the same... Shack asked Iron Hammer opinions and I just summarized what we had in this chat at that moment...

[hazy radish]

Yep, good one

We chill boys anyways

[muted eagle]

Right, now that I'm out of bed I'll start working on this

[hazy radish]

Ay something else then gambling to occupy your mind

[muted eagle]

You see, making a plan with limited information is basically just gambling if you think about it :p

[hazy radish]

Oh god damn it.

[muted eagle]

:D

[muted eagle]

French, do you have that image for the order we'll be deploying our forces?

[hazy radish]

I'm on phone rn, but shack posted the image without troops in tac Com chat some time ago

[muted eagle]

Ah, found it

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-im-done-yea-im-back-valorant-jump-gif-10621705115962771954

[solar bear]

That is in case we can't deploy on the space port...

[muted eagle]

You see, I'm assuming we won't deploy on the space port because that's less fun :p

[solar bear]

Fair...

[muted eagle]

I'm currently thinking about dropping somewhere like that

[muted eagle]

There you go @hazy radish

I also feel like those question marks could be civilians/allied forces

[neat fossil]

I thought the yellow text in the corner said “dice the enemies have been taken care of…”

Looks like a good plan though.

[muted eagle]

Yeah, it also seems like a good spot for the artillery

[neat fossil]

3321 is also a possible friendly position.

[muted eagle]

Yeah

[neat fossil]

About the deployment plane though, just be careful about a flank around 2717.

The walls let them sneak up on you too.

[muted eagle]

That is a good point

[iron arrow]

i cannot see the hex numbers why did shack think a grey hex grid with a white backdrop would be good

I prefer the idea of a coordinated ODT drop with atlas on these surrounding buildings ah shit i forgot this lol

[neat fossil]

Oh god, the cover literally blocks the hex coords.

[iron arrow]

Yep it's painful

[neat fossil]

I’m not in Iron Hammer, but I would be worried about getting surrounded and out gunned if we dropped on their faces.
Especially with that massive faded contact up north.

[muted eagle]

Yeah, that could work

[muted eagle]

Yeah, that was my biggest concern when considering where our mechs and ODT could drop

[neat fossil]

Maybe around 2916? It allows for a flank while still having enough walls and being close enough to the main force to pull back if needed.

[iron arrow]

the mechs dropping at 3219 if you can see it looks like a good spot to take out the horde while keeping their backs secure

[neat fossil]

Seems good. Still, all this kinda depends on what Storms does.

If you wanted to be insane, you could land in the NE corner.

[muted eagle]

I do like a good gamble actually

[neat fossil]

I mean, it’s a fair chance that 3715’s a friendly fortress under siege.

[muted eagle]

Yeah, I suppose I do see that being a possibility now

[neat fossil]

We’ve had a discussion and analysis of our current intel over in Pathfinders #1383066264485888120 message

[hazy radish]

grandiose plan

[hazy radish]

ngl i'd have seen us deploy more south-west but that looks right if operation shitcreek is a go

neat

i likey.

not final, of course.

just theorizing because we gotta do something else then shitposting & gambling

[neat fossil]

Hey, at least we haven’t scribbled all over the map like we did before New Braven. We didn’t even know enemy positions yet!

[hazy radish]

Only thing i'm scared about with this is the blue circle, they goin' faaaaaar

But is not final. Theorizing stuff.

[muted eagle]

Well, I imagine those in the blue circle will have the support of Atlas's forces

Should probably coordinate this with atlas tbh

[hazy radish]

yeee.

[neat fossil]

They’ll have Storms’ help too, since they’re dropping in first.

[muted eagle]

Yeah

[hazy radish]

oh true.

[muted eagle]

It appears that storm is going straight for Elim rather than waiting for Fluffle to get to Elim to deal with the fighters and frigate

[hazy radish]

christ

[neat fossil]

Honestly, its what I would’ve done. What else are they gonna do? Wait a round or two? Hope and pray that the frigate and fighters don’t hunt them down? They honestly don’t have much of a choice.

[hazy radish]

Wait for atlas maybe ?

[neat fossil]

They’d get chased in the meantime and fighters are faster than VTOLs

[hazy radish]

damn

the better choice it seems then

[muted eagle]

Return to nav-field 1 temporarily while atlas/fluffle while the enemy is seemingly unaware of them? 😅

[hazy radish]

I've hopped in their comms to confirm this, and I hope the best for 'em

Looks like casualties will run high in storm.

[neat fossil]

Its a damned if you don’t, damned if you do type situation. Especially with the shit on the ground in Elim.

At least this way with the damage spreading mechanic, the enemies shouldn’t kill any of them.

[hazy radish]

Just like for atlas, 400 players' worth of pressure on 'em

[muted eagle]

I suppose it is fitting for storm though, they are rather reckless

[hazy radish]

Yeah, Icarus 2.0 innit ? 🤣

[neat fossil]

Hopefully they can secure the LZ. 🤞

[muted eagle]

Well, they'll have the support of us iron hammers like, a turn after most likely

[hazy radish]

With hopefully, a motto chosen!

[muted eagle]

It's looking close still

[neat fossil]

How sweet, you’re always the right gamble

[neat fossil]

Por qué no los dos? (Why not both?)

[muted eagle]

I do like that idea

[hazy radish]

I'm surprised the french one has gained much traction

God, the only 2 options are the 2 I don't like one way or another, I hate democracy 🤣

[neat fossil]

I think its cool.

[neat fossil]

If it’s a draw you’ve gotta put both, French. Tis the will of the dice gods.

[hazy radish]

Wdym do both ?

I mean, do a poll with both, yeah

Yeah, gotta put both.

[neat fossil]

As in, both become the motto. After all, I don’t see why Iron Hammer can’t have a two sentence motto

[hazy radish]

For J.Jordan's sanity ? 🤣

(the one who did our logo and who'll remake it with the new quote, god bless him)

[muted eagle]

The dice says we should :p

[neat fossil]

Exactly.

[hazy radish]

aaaaaaAAAAAAAAA

Only one can remain

[muted eagle]

I say we do a poll :p

Or just add it as an option should a tiebreaker occur

[neat fossil]

See if the the dice wish for two.
-# and the people i guess

[hazy radish]

Hmmmmmm

That maybe

But then which one do we get on our patch/logo then ?

still doesn't fix the issue.

[muted eagle]

Both :p

[hazy radish]

I

HOW

WHERE WOULD WE PUT THE SECOND ONE 🤣

[muted eagle]

Make the logo bigger :p

[fluid viper]

It's a good motto

[muted eagle]

Anyway, time to do some helldiving

[neat fossil]

Just put it as a ring in the border.

[hazy radish]

That doesn't work ! 🤣

[hazy radish]

Don't think it'd be visible

AND THEN WHICH ONE GOES ON THE BORDER AND WHICH ONE ON THE MAIN PART ?

See, this is why only 1 motto

otherwise headaches for everyone

[neat fossil]

Kinda like this.

It’d fit all the text.

[hazy radish]

but then most of the text would be reversed, you'd need to tilt your head or something

i no likey

[neat fossil]

Just go for one on top, the other along the bottom!

This would be closer to what I’m thinking. It’s definitely possible.

[hazy radish]

that seems nice

I was just away for a moment 🤣

But I really prefer having only 1 motto I'll be honnest

But if you guys want it then i'll add the option then

Democracy manifest, haha

Cries in Humble Iron motto

[fluid viper]

I want 1 motto

[hazy radish]

See, this is why you're my favorite non-refit engineer

Just ignore that you're the only one non-refit engineer here, and the compliment works. 🤣

[neat fossil]

Anyways, I should really remind you that I’m not in Iron Hammer, so don’t listen to me too much. Do whatever yall want.

[hazy radish]

Oh

Fuck I always forget lmao

Vivian did want a double motto tho

I should have shruged you off sooner smh

🤣

[neat fossil]

Originally I just made it as a joke and the Vivian started talking about it and I went holy shite, this isn’t a terrible idea!

[hazy radish]

Dergderg sneaking in some pathfinders idea in iron hammer smh

What's next, our new motto being "We cute and UwUy >w<" ? Can't believe you'd do this to us

[neat fossil]

v<

-# there is no escape -w-

[muted eagle]

Is dergderg an honourary iron hammer at this point? He spends so much time in iron hammers that I forgot he's not an iron hammer 😅

[hazy radish]

Ngl, me too 🤣

Maybe ???

[neat fossil]

Brothers in lack of manpower!

[hazy radish]

BROTHERS IN LACK OF MANPOWER !

[south ether]

Chicken power we do have

[hazy radish]

YEAH !!

[muted eagle]

@hazy radish I mean... if storm manages to secure the space port by the time atlas gets there... We could always give Cell'Dar mine a go :p

[hazy radish]

NEVER !

NOT UNTIL I'M DEAD OR THIS OP'S RENAMED ICARUS 2.0 ! 🤣

[fluid viper]

I want to go to were the fighting is thickest

[muted eagle]

Time to kill French I guess

[onyx basalt]

We'll take you to the moon

[muted eagle]

Yeah, fuck it, just go to Tora

[south ether]

i don't think there is a suicidal tf

[hazy radish]

looks at fluffle

[muted eagle]

Looks at storm

Oh wait

they aren't a tf

mb

[onyx basalt]

I can only speak for me personally but maybe we can get you first into Crossroads if Elim seems like a sure win

[south ether]

if elim is a sure win securing crossroads next would be logical

[muted eagle]

Yeah but who likes logic? :p

[fluid viper]

As far as this plan I think the blue circle should be on top of that hill to its south. Securing that gives us LoS on more of the city for getting artillery out and let's us have a better fighting position to support the south half of the space port

[south ether]

i never said we should do the logical thing

[muted eagle]

Fair enough

[onyx basalt]

Just want to make sure you get your money's worth even in the even if the auto shuttles some how catch up to us at Elim

[muted eagle]

Well, if that does happen, I don't think we'll mind if we end up getting dropped elsewhere on the planet

[onyx basalt]

Yeah, just let us know!

[left thistle]

I agree, and if storm is going straight for the space port we can kind of hammer and anvil them out of the south western side of the city before pushing together into that unknown contact to the north east/north

But we could also use the odts for some flanking, so long as we aren’t sending them too far afield

[fluid viper]

I would hold on that unless Storm puts eyes on a valuable target for that kind of operation.

Enemy Arti or Logi

[left thistle]

Fair enough, I guess we’ll see how things shake up at the end of this round

[rigid oar]

Kinda sucks that our push to land will leave the civillians in the dust.

[median epoch]

Take it up with Victorum. They're gonna shoot it whether or not we board, and they'd rather pretend there's no civilians, so that's what they're doing. The only other choice we have is to board under friendly fire, tell them to stop shooting if we find civilians, and then spend 3-4 MORE turns at the gate taking the ship ourselves.

Trust me, I had to personally console 4 Atlas members in private messages.

[rigid oar]

Why is Victorum so blood thirsty?

[fluid viper]

Didn't Shack say if you board they were not allowed to shoot?

[fluid viper]

They like every other group want to get in on the action.

None of us join, just to watch others play

[median epoch]

That was brought up, and Victorum said "We're putting in orders to shoot, but we can't stop you from boarding if you do that."
I spent hours trying to work out a plan to transfer custody so we could get outta there, but they didn't really care enough to try.

So ultimately, we're gonna say a prayer for them as we leave, and make sure their sacrifice is gonna let us take and hold the planet.

[rigid oar]

That's true. If i had one critique of this i would say its the ways its been setup to stagger how players can get access to actually playing and how many can actually do anything (ie some bg havingto wait until spaceport to be able to deploy.) But either way I still would have voted to save the civilians, even if it ment me waiting an extra week. But i also get thats a somewhat selfish take.

I also get that its not my vote to make its up to Atlas

[fluid viper]

I just am not convinced boarding the ship is the best way to save the most civilians.

[median epoch]

Yes, big picture, the planet is more important.

[fluid viper]

I know this conversation has been hashed out a dozen times in 24 hours though.

[rigid oar]

Yeah i get it. Im just the guy who cant even be mean to npc's in an rpg most of the time so im always going to say save people.

[median epoch]

100%. I do appreciate knowing we've got your support.

I told Atlas to come say hi here if they haven't done so already, so that should spice things up a bit. Maybe y'all can teach them to gamble

-# I'm leaving now, buh bye

[muted eagle]

Hmm... Teaching Atlas about the glory of ARMCOmon lootboxes... That does sound interesting

[rigid oar]

The infection of gambling spreads

[onyx basalt]

Gambling is something soldiers and sailors share lol

[hazy radish]

Heh, hammer.

Cuz we're Iron Hammer.

[hazy radish]

Shack has said "who is the asshat who decided to fire while friendlies are on board"

I am pretty sure you can take it up to shack to settle this down if you want to board, honnestly

#1382037040438181950 message msg here

[hazy radish]

Oh yeah, absolutely, we're chill.

I mean sure, waiting for another 87 turns will be annoying, but it's your decision not ours.

I've chimed in once in atlas comms about my opinion but that's enough, you guys got enough of 400 players' pressure, let's not add mine lol

[rapid pond]

Please…. no

Also good luck hammer boys and girls*

Enjoy being cargo

[muted eagle]

I mean, I don't mind waiting, if Elim is already taken by the time we get there, we can use the fact that we're in Atlas's cargo to drop elsewhere~~, like Cell'Dar mine for example~~

[hazy radish]

#1382037040438181950 message

christ what the fuck is happening in this comms chat

does anyone from atlas need a talk ?

[muted eagle]

Idk

[hazy radish]

we got gambling & good vibes here

christ on a bike

[hazy radish]

:D

[muted eagle]

I've been talking to a couple of fellow ex-atlas folks and yeah, they're not liking it either

[fluid viper]

I only try to voice my opinion here. They don't need me yelling my opinion at them in their house but if they want to come here and read it I am not stopping them.

[hazy radish]

That's good Adam.

[rapid pond]

I feel like this is a free chat so…
You can’t stop me!

[muted eagle]

I'm kinda glad I left atlas and joined iron hammers right now 😅

[hazy radish]

Tell me about it

(not literally, just, the metaphoric "tell me about it" thing)

(like, don't, spill out anything 🤣)

[muted eagle]

(I assumed so :p)

[hazy radish]

Huh, @solar bear cosplay much ? 🤣

He left Stormchaser in C3 due to all the drama/aggressive/whatever that was happening and chose to hang here

He was a very good taxi.

[muted eagle]

Though it is a shame that the group I originally joined with all ended up splitting up (I went here, some went to rabbits, some went to fluffle, some stayed at atlas)

[median epoch]

Looots of pressure now. Sorry it got heated. Was hard enough trying to communicate without the "warcrimes are funny" crowd pissing everyone off.

[muted eagle]

Yeah

[rapid pond]

My days…

[median epoch]

Had to basically be a therapist for 3 hours as a result.

So, yea, I was pretty angry, my own views not-withstanding.

[hazy radish]

Can you fire at unknowns without scanning them ?

[rapid pond]

Take notes people, this is why you pick your subordinates to be robots so they don’t question your orders…
-# Also so you can remove them and easily replace their personal functions

[median epoch]

yes

[hazy radish]

If so, then I understand them wanting to just fire, and not scan to see if it's friendly or hostile, because if it is friendly, it might impede on them

The way they phrased that tho might not have been best lol

It's more a mechanic optimization thing then actually wanting to morally kill some civilians really

[median epoch]

It was more like "scanning isn't gonna get the info, we'd need to board to know for sure"

[muted eagle]

Really wish you didn't need to... Having to be a therapist is really difficult sometimes...

[median epoch]

and then a bunch went "we don't wanna know so we don't have to deal with the moral quandry"

and I'm like, ok, maybe we can board, then you can rush to take it so we won't be too badly delayed?

and they're like "we have no boarding capabilities" and I'm like wtf are you doing?

which was out of line

[rapid pond]

Okay this is getting onto the “Are we the bad guys?” kinda topic

[median epoch]

but yea, all is ok now

[hazy radish]

jeez

[rapid pond]

Fucking hell, I know it’s a warzone, but why are people already considering all IFFs hostiles?

[hazy radish]

the main big orbital boys clashing is not good

[hazy radish]

IFF ?

[median epoch]

yea, me and cael hashed it out, its ok

[rapid pond]

Whatever it is called, the signatures for ships

[median epoch]

identify friend or foe

[rapid pond]

Ya know the digital signatures

[tired jewel]

All those question marks

[hazy radish]

ah, okay

[onyx basalt]

It's done, and we're on good terms and a better understanding.

[hazy radish]

...I hope so lol

I hope I don't need to fckin' barge in to Victorum to yell at them Atlas can do whatever the fuck they want 🤣

[muted eagle]

Yeah, though I still think it's left quite a bad taste in a lot of our mouths

[median epoch]

yea no, please don't do that

[hazy radish]

I'd hate to be that guy but if someone's gotta make people understand people can do what they want then I friggin' will 🤣

[hazy radish]

Yeah I know lol

[iron arrow]

I mean in c3 it felt like half the game people were coming up with ...creative ways to 'punish' yos so i'm not surprised

[median epoch]

it wasn't even that, it was just the lack of willingess to try to make a plan. If we boarded they wouldn't be able to fire

[onyx basalt]

They weren't saying we couldn't just that no matter which way they cut it it was a delay for the campaign and all the following players behind us

[median epoch]

they can do what they want, and we can do what we want, but we can only win if we both do what we need to happen.

[hazy radish]

Force him to eat... HOT ICE CREAM >:)

[tired jewel]

Boarding is... very doable, even with the set rules. yeah what Ixen said

Hot ICe cream lmfao

[hazy radish]

hehehehehehe

[rapid pond]

French…

[hazy radish]

Jeez

[muted eagle]

Liquid icecream isn't that bad :p

[rapid pond]

I prefer to just inter them into fucking machines which are substandard

[hazy radish]

Glad that shitshow's over.

Don't make this again for next round or I will barge in someone's comms. 🤣

[iron arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[median epoch]

lmao, I promise. Working with fluffle has been wonderful

we'll go over there and help them out

[muted eagle]

Yeah, and depending whether or not storm has secured the star port by then, help out storm too by dropping us into elim

[onyx basalt]

And we'll be more free to do what we want once everyone is on the ground lol

[rapid pond]

That… would be… appreciated

[median epoch]

-# ok, ow my fingers, too much texting. cya

[muted eagle]

-# See you later

[hazy radish]

fluffy task force brings fluffy results after all

fluff

(nalla you got a fluffy emote ?)

(now's the time)

[tired jewel]

That;ll be for the best. The auto groups are landing in like... 3 turns.... Does anyone know if Storm is blasting through that frigate or ging around it?

A fluffy one?

[hazy radish]

ye.

fluffy one

cute fluffy one.

:D

[tired jewel]

[muted eagle]

-# I should probably ready myself for d&d

[hazy radish]

what th-

i can't even tell what that is

less fluff ? 🤣

[tired jewel]

It's Suzu's tail!

[hazy radish]

perfect

oooh okay

[tired jewel]

she has like 9 of them, but here, have her giving you pancakes

[hazy radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1342585236558712832.webp?size=96&animated=true

[muted eagle]

That's assuming they don't have to go through places where there are still enemy ships

And storm is going right passed the frigate I believe

[tired jewel]

Thats assuming auto transports are even following those rules.

[muted eagle]

I would imagine so

I do remember part of the risk of going with the npc transports was that you may end up just getting shot down on the way there

[onyx basalt]

It really helps that Simm is over there. He basically helped prop up Atlas and then jumped over to prop up Fluffle lol. The connection runs deep

[muted eagle]

Yeah, Simm's great

[tired jewel]

I'm not so sure based on Shaks comment in Tac Coms this morning of

They will arrive at the gate
They can be pointed to any destination they can dock at based on what the battlegroup wants.
Most are heading to the Starport. Some are headying for the Starbase.
I think 1 was talking about slowing down and waiting to land to see how things shake out? But not sure on that front.```

So we might just be.. skimming around or something

[hazy radish]

Ay @muted eagle helped me prop up to you guys for transport lol

[tired jewel]

We'll find out o7

Hope we don't get shot down, but like. is what it is lol (Unless we do something stupid)

[onyx basalt]

Yep, both Simm and Vivian have free passes to the ice cream ships lol

[muted eagle]

Yep, was me who reignited the idea of carrying a BG before leaving :p

[hazy radish]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[muted eagle]

Hell yeah

What about the bar?

[hazy radish]

Me with absolutely no hope of getting us carried: "Nah we're not even a full BG, pathfinders is there too, etc"
Me when Atlas favors us, even upping the limit to 25:
https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[onyx basalt]

Simm took that when he left

[muted eagle]

Damn

[muted eagle]

I mean, part of the reason is that we're more combat oriented anyway

[onyx basalt]

Those tanks saved you lol. When it came to holding ground we trusted the group with more armor

[hazy radish]

Good on me being an MBT. :)

[onyx basalt]

Thank God for the Frenchman in a tank lol

[muted eagle]

Glad I've been able to help both atlas and iron hammers

I might try and go improve the orbital spreadsheet I made

It might need a slight expansion for the next campaign if we're getting more orbitals

So I'm gonna want to make the thing a bit more expandable

Since right now it's a pain to try and add more orbitals to it 😅

[willow epoch]

I’m bored waiting for deployment in rabbit, someone mentioned there’s gambling?

[muted eagle]

There is!

It's in the spreadsheet

In the "ARMCOmon" section

Then you got to J56 and then download the file

[willow epoch]

Uh huh

[muted eagle]

Though you're gonna need python if you want to play it

[willow epoch]

Smh

Prefer viper

[tired jewel]

hehe. funny programming words goo brrrt

[hazy radish]

YES :)

[hazy radish]

:(

[rapid pond]

French m’boy this gambling feature is growing too great

Btw, how are those support mutaletts you hired going to fit?

You have like… 3 extra lifeforms just for emotional support

[hazy radish]

Only 1, it's for Jean my gunner

Otherwise don't worry, it won't ever get in the leclerc

I mean, a Mutalett, named Warmongerer, with a crew as clueless as mine ? No chance he'll ever slip in there !

-# foreshadowing

[rapid pond]

French… I remember the rp being one per person wasn’t it?

[hazy radish]

Oh no we somehow got out of that.

We had more rp with southpaw in here.

I can fetch you the start of it if you wish.

[rapid pond]

I found it

I detest digging through so much…

Quelle difficile

-# (I think that’s a direct translation)

[hazy radish]

-# confirm, i'm not sure what you mean

[rapid pond]

I was trying to state it’s difficult

Bc difficile = hard

[hazy radish]

ah

"C'était difficile"

that was hard

[rapid pond]

I studied French, I just may not know everything

[hazy radish]

no idea why you went with "quelle"

[rapid pond]

I went with “what” or “how” for some reason

I think it was how

[hazy radish]

no how is "comment"

[rapid pond]

Oh my… I’m definitely failing the french exam

[hazy radish]

...are you having a french exam soon ?

[rapid pond]

I did the exam

[muted eagle]

Quelle appears to be "what" according to google

[hazy radish]

Did you ?! 🤣

[rapid pond]

J’ai des examen

Quelle chance

[hazy radish]

examens

LE PLURIEL PUTAAAIIINNNN

Anyways let's stick to english for everyone's pleasure and enjoyment lol

[rapid pond]

Fair

I know basic french

Let’s just leave it at that before I “tomber” more than I hope

wait no… that’s to fall… fuck

Yeah… I’m giving up on French for now, I’ll try and get my brain together

[hazy radish]

lol

it's alright, french is hard

[rapid pond]

Non, l’anglais is hard

[hazy radish]

Hahha

I hope to see more atlas folks come here 👀

We chillin'

[rapid pond]

French is harder in terms of doing english, but opposite side it’s way harder bc of english is

It goes from “we usually shove x y and z onto the end of every word” to “Let’s… change the entire phrase”

[fluid viper]

English is only hard because we have a mutt of a language.

Half German, Half French, Half Latin with some random Norwegian thrown in there for some reason.

[rapid pond]

Yeah, the Anglo Saxons were germanic

Norwegian from vikings, French from da franks and Latin… is from the Roman days + French bc of how Latin was a basis I guess

[muted eagle]

Istg, I just started a new d&d campaign and we have ALREADY bribed a guard 😅

[rapid pond]

That’s… based

[muted eagle]

Two people are breaking further into the library, my character and another character have gone to the tavern to grab some drinks, then another one is running from guards

[rapid pond]

lol

I love this… chaotic neutral? party ya have

[tired jewel]

It was the bard... wasnt it

[muted eagle]

No actually

It was our monk

[tired jewel]

😮

[muted eagle]

And our... cartographer...?

Our bard is the one running from guards

[fluid viper]

William the Conqueror spoke French and replaced most of England's nobility with French ones.

French became the language of the elite and commoners more spoke Germanic based Anglo Saxon.

It is why most English swear words have German roots.

[tired jewel]

That checks out lol

[muted eagle]

The artificer (Me) and our fighter/sorcerer are at the tavern

[tired jewel]

Smart move

[muted eagle]

Our monk is neutral evil, our cartographer thing is true neutral, me and the fighter/sorcerer are lawful good, the bard is chaotic good

[fluid viper]

Y'all have very different D&D campaigns then mine. Mine are all dungeon and hex crawls.

[muted eagle]

This party is somehow more divided than the one in the other campaign I'm in

[tired jewel]

I just started one and we're in a druidy forest town and our very first task is something familiar.

There's a tavern see, and with a basement. It has a rat problem, ause of course it does!. A rodents of Unusual Size problem.

But see, heres the twist! It's not just a rat problem. If it was just rats, it'd be taken care of. NAY, an owlbear has decided to claim the basement as it's burrow
We must remove the bear from the premises.

[muted eagle]

Good luck with that

And now we're stealing maps from the military of the kingdom we're in... Because they won't notice that...

[left thistle]

Is cartographer a home brew class?

[muted eagle]

They're some wanderer homebrew class

Idk why they didn't just go ranger, they seemed pretty similar

[rapid pond]

Basically they are a medieval geographer

[muted eagle]

Yeah

But are also a warforged

[rapid pond]

Well… that’s a weird trait but eh

[muted eagle]

Knowing the player, they're probably plan on ascending to godhood or smth

(They also happen to be our resident metagamer and powergamer and two of our dms are banning them from future campaigns)

[rapid pond]

Well then

[left thistle]

Ah yes, the classic dnd campaign progression: clean out a cellar of rats -> take down a corrupt mayor -> defeat god and take their mantel

[muted eagle]

Yeah, they're really not that fun to play with

They did dm a campaign of their own for a time

But it flopped because well... They're our resident metagamer and powergamer

[left thistle]

Oh no… min-maxers and homebrew classes, never a good combo

[muted eagle]

Yeah

They also get really annoyed when stuff doesn't go exactly the way they wanted it to go and whenever we try to give advice on the plans they make 😅

(One time I pointed out a glaring flaw in their plan, they got really pissed at me, or well, my character atleast)

It's a rather annoying thing when you're trying to win a war against a world-threatening evil

[rapid pond]

I think I know why their GM game failed

[muted eagle]

Yeah

[rapid pond]

You literally trespass into an area “The guards now all approach and try to kill you”

Like wtf if I want to sneak into a building let me sneak in

[muted eagle]

There were two main reasons why I initially left:

• The Campaign focuses on a single person
• It felt incredibly forced and linear (I can count atleast 3 times when we were just forced to fail saves when we really shouldn't have), and then you also had the fact that literally everyone around us was basically like, level 20 characters, so we dare do something that the dm doesn't want and we all just die

[rapid pond]

That’s… stupid

[muted eagle]

Like, I really wanted to start a tavern brawl because it's what my character would do 😅
But apparently every single tavern has to be massive and full of level 20 characters who would all just kill my character at a moments notice if I tried

[rapid pond]

Literally I watch Narrative Declaration (no actual advertising, just me stating a source)
And literally it’s all balanced and the GM, who gets annoyed doesn’t literally do stupid moves to stop the player

But that sounds dumb

[onyx basalt]

Straight railroaded

[rapid pond]

Like, what’s a real dnd campaign if you have the entire route

[muted eagle]

Yeah

And our campaign was directed by literally just one person, the rest of us didn't matter, like apparently, according to the dm, my character was incredibly important for the start of the story (Spoiler alert: They weren't)

[rapid pond]

“Oh yeah, here’s a fight… you’re level 4, the enemy is level 100, good luck”
Gets absolutely hammered by the boss which is immortal
“You now somehow survive because this random ass guy who makes you their minions needed fresh labour”

[muted eagle]

Yeah, sound about right for that dm

[rapid pond]

And it does sound idiotic

[muted eagle]

Yep

[hazy radish]

uhm

armco?

🤣

slight sidetrack now aye ? xD

[rapid pond]

French, don’t act like your gambling side biz is related to ARMCO in any way except the units you can gain

[solar bear]

@muted eagle congrats in dodging the bullet...

[muted eagle]

We're basically always sidtracked :p

[solar bear]

And what did I miss??

[muted eagle]

d&d talk

[hazy radish]

ARMCOmon it's named ! >:(

[solar bear]

D&D specifically or rpg??

[muted eagle]

d&d specifically

[muted eagle]

Right, so assuming by the time atlas gets over to Elim and if the starport is already secured, what do we want to do? My thoughts are we could have atlas take us to Cell'Dar mine and try to secure it as it may end up having civilians in it just like hill mine, or perhaps weaken the bots considering it is a mine afterall, I imagine they have to get materials from somewhere

[left thistle]

Or we could have atlas take us to crossroads to start securing it ahead of time if ppl don’t want to get too cut off

[left thistle]

I’m honestly in the cell’dar camp, bc controlling the mines are likely to be important for stopping bot reinforcements and we can always be reinforced by air

Tho I highly doubt given the contacts that storm is going to have Elim secure in 2 rounds

[muted eagle]

Yeah

[warped axle]

Some projections have Atlas above Elim in 4 or more rounds, which is why I wanted to prompt a discussion

[left thistle]

Yeah I saw that, but also wouldn’t the auto freighters still be behind us? Like, unless all enemy contacts are cleared out next round they’d have to traverse the same distance as Atlas does at the same speed

And if all the enemy contacts are cleared out next turn, atlas can move at tactical speed anyway and will still get us there faster, no?

[muted eagle]

Yeah, and if storm gets wiped out, the bots take the starport and I don't think the other battlegroups will be able to land

[left thistle]

That too, I don’t think the auto freighters have mass deployment capabilities from orbit, they’d need to land or be ferried over multiple rounds to get their boots on the ground

[warped axle]

i think the auto-freighters are faster than us. but, yeah, if Storm can't wrest control of the starport, then even if it takes 4 turns, we aren't late, and we'll drop you there along w/ our marine assets to support

[old lark]

It would take even Victorum at least 2 turns to clear all the bot space assets around the gate, wouldn't it? With the frigate and the BC and the fighters and buzz droids?

[muted eagle]

Yeah, they need to dock at the starport if they want to deploy

[muted eagle]

I imagine the auto-freighters are 1 speed

[old lark]

But most of those turns are at the Elim side, because there's a frigate and four fighters there and Storm literally can't kill the fighters. the TFs and transports have to crawl in from the edge of the tactical map to the drop zone in the center

[warped axle]

Fluffle could take those fighters, but theres a lot of unknowns on what the fighters will do right now, they might follow Storm and harass them in Elim airspace, they might go after Fluffle, they might do other things that we can't anticipate right now because we lack intel

[old lark]

Right, Fluffle. Not me entirely forgetting about a whole TF oops

[left thistle]

I feel like that’s happened a lot in these recent convos lmao

But yeah when are orders due? I feel like we’ll get a better idea of what ppl are planning when we get closer

[old lark]

Sunday, 3:00 PM Eastern time

so, like... a bit less than half a day from now

[warped axle]

I just want to be upfront w/ yall about the potential risks. if yall want to stay onboard i'm here for it and looking forward to dropping w/ yall. on elim or anywhere else.

[muted eagle]

Yeah, I think we're staying aboard

[iron arrow]

Uhh i just checked back and i see options for us to not be transported by atlas (i'm too lazy to read through everything sorry)

can someone give me a rundown of what's happening

[old lark]

So, because Elim orbital space has hostiles in it (a frigate and some fighters), it's possible that it will take Atlas 4 or more turns to travel to where they can drop you to the spaceport unless Fluffle can destroy all of those space assets effectively instantly. Which may or may not put you in Elim at basically the same time the autotransports the rest of us are using would get there, depending on exactly how those transports actually work, which would mean that Atlas would be sacrificing 5 large supply for nothing. So they wanted your take on whether you wanted to stay on if there's a chance it would be meaningless

[left thistle]

This js also assuming that tf1 clears the space around the gate in one turn

[old lark]

Also that. I don't fully agree with the analysis, but that was the basic discussion in Atlas

[iron arrow]

Ayayay does shack not wan any battlegroups to deploy this game?

[left thistle]

I’m not entirely sure on the numbers calculations with this one either, but I also think Atlas was willing to take us straight to somewhere else like cross roads or cell’dar if elim is clear before we get there

[fluid viper]

I think that projection assumed 0 burning and that we had to travel center point of a hex to center point adding about 30% distance to travel.

[left thistle]

Tho someone from atlas can correct me if I’m wrong

[warped axle]

yeah. but there are layers of uncertainty. we have to survive one or maybe two rounds of MBC fire, and hope there are no engine fires (which would stop our movement entirely) and roughly a thousand other variables which, 1- make my head hurt, and 2- make me unconvinced that we're going to be smooth sailing to Elim in 2 rounds or less, which is what everyone was picturing when all these plans were originally concocted.

[fluid viper]

I think between Victorum coming in and Fluffle and Storm shooting as they move past the air space above Elim may be clear arrive. It is just the BC and Frigate here that are big concerns for now I believe.

Also you guys get shots as you move.

Assuming the bots don't want to sacrifice a factory ship to slow us down they may also retreat if we get 4-5 hits on it next turn.

[old lark]

Though they're unlikely to be any faster than us: it would take them a long long time to retreat to a friendly map border

[warped axle]

Atlas has a single auto-cannon. Black Pearl cranked their shot, and did 1 hit's worth of damage. us getting shots off is irrelevant.

[fluid viper]

Not to the fighters at least and those Phages.

[old lark]

Well, tbf I believe that's just how hits work. I don't think you can do 2 hits by rolling well (excluding crit effects), can you?

[fluid viper]

I don't think so

I think Shack tried to design the rules so one unit has a hard time just deleting another off the map in a single turn.

[warped axle]

the vibe of the bot ship is that its heavily armored. BC's we can field have an armor of 2, so this one has a 2 or maybe 3. either way, an auto-cannon has AP1 and rolls a d4. BCs have 9 hits standard, so we can expect this one to have at least that many hits.

that auto-cannon isn't likely to have an appreciable effect on how fast the task force can boogie outta there and do the delivery.

[old lark]

Fair, probably. Victorum will almost certainly 'blit the BC in two turns regardless. Just saying that a successful hit doing 1 hit is not a fantastic way to judge effectiveness here

[fluid viper]

Yeah I think it is going to be 2-3 turns at best until the gate can be cleared of hostiles outside some really lucky rolls on our part.

[warped axle]

this is fair. i should've been more specific. getting hits is great, and i hope we get more of them. i only mean that it probably won't matter for speed purposes.

[old lark]

If Victorum can land all, what, 5 of their hits on the BC and all three of their forward-facing MBC cause fires, maybe? 👀

[warped axle]

i just really don't want yall a turn or two from now to be like "oh, i wish we'd just auto-deployed" i just want to lay out the pitfalls so yall can make informed decisions.

I really like Vivian's option of, hey, if we're late for Elim take us some where else.

[fluid viper]

We cast our lots with you. What is Iron Hammer without some gambling.

[rapid pond]

I don;t think you’ll be late
You just won’t have such a warm welcome

[old lark]

As someone who's auto-deploying, I can tell you that will never happen. The ships are... functional, but their multi-species lavatories leave a great deal to be desired. There are some... interesting design flaws

[solar bear]

If we are late to Elim and you guys can/want to deliver us to some where else I fine with this...

[rapid pond]

Being real if you’re late to Elim that means we probably are all dead

[solar bear]

And I think most of Hammer will agree...

[fluid viper]

We barely agreed on Crossroads people were saying every different location. We just want to drive tanks at scary robots. Give us that opportunity and we are happy.

[warped axle]

i hope not. i thought we had a path for like a 2 round transit, but, people mentioned getting slowed down by interdiction from the opfor frigate, and many many other concerns. i'm a cynic and a pessimist, so i want to be prepped for a worst case scenario.

[rapid pond]

Tbh it’s unlikely

But that’s the only real reason Hammer would be late if you have ‘em

[warped axle]

WORST CASE is we take an engine fire from one of those MBCs and then we are stopped dead in our tracks

[rapid pond]

That’s… fair

I mean other worse case, the frigate over Elim actually has some boarding pods

And tried boarding y’all

[muted eagle]

I mean, if they try boarding atlas... It's not gonna go well for the bots

[rapid pond]

I ain’t denying that the defences would hold

[warped axle]

i think most of our TF would cheer if we got boarded

[rapid pond]

But it’d probably delay y’all

[muted eagle]

True

[muted eagle]

That is true

[rapid pond]

I feel like I’m one of the only players hoping they don’t get blue on blue action…
-# Due to roleplaying as 3/4 of an engineer unit being robots

[warped axle]

not me, I'm a mech jockey, so when we get boarded I just try not to have my squishy meat get exploded

but, yeah, if would delay our transit

[fluid viper]

With Shacks new rules unless they hit a ship with like 4 infantries at once.

[muted eagle]

Also, if you haven't voted in the recent poll, check the pins!

[warped axle]

which, might be possible, depending on how many of those swarming virus guys the factory can spew out (if that's actually what that factory does)

[fluid viper]

It is closed. Final results are tied with in the rules of the poll posted the French winning due to +1 round 1 vote over the tie.

[muted eagle]

Ah, it's closed? Thought I set it to 48 hours 😅

Oh well

I'll make the tiebreaker poll when I'm back at my pc

[warped axle]

you could get Iron Hammer more pumped to vote if you make it a voting slot machine

[muted eagle]

Here we go

[neat fossil]

I’d vote if I was in Iron Hammer. 😢

[left thistle]

Wait you aren’t 😂

[neat fossil]

w<

[fluid viper]

I still don't know who our other Engineer is lol

[neat fossil]

Uhhh, it’s someone. They’re a combat engi…

[left thistle]

It’s ConsulManlius lol

But yeah we’ve got so many ppl coming in and out I sometimes forget who’s actually a hammer 😂

[eager carbon]

That was a hell of a read to wake up too

[warped axle]

yeah, my b, i've shitted up your comms a lot. and i'm doing it more now!

[left thistle]

Good! Wouldn’t want it any other way

[left thistle]

Just a few things happening here and there

[fluid viper]

We need someone to do it and unfortunately our native French man sleeps half the day I am on.

[old lark]

Speaking of intruders: hi Hammer, it's me! Good luck storming the spaceport (when you get there)

[neat fossil]

I know right. Timezones are a pain.

[warped axle]

Frenchie is too busy shitting up meta-comm to shit up Iron Hammers 🤣

[eager carbon]

Just a few

[hazy radish]

Damn, too fast for me !

reading up the convo about the options and stuff brb

[hazy radish]

I am once again refusing cell'dar mine unless we all sign a waiver making us aware of all the risks involved with this operation

And also renaming the BG Icarus 2.0

I've gone over why before, I'm not doing it again 🤣

[hazy radish]

Seems like a good plan tbh

[solar bear]

I'm with French on that one...

Cell'dar mine is not a good option...

[old lark]

I also think it sounds like suicide. Please don't: we kinda need you

[hazy radish]

WEW, caught up!

Right, well

[muted eagle]

Time to create a waiver it is!

[hazy radish]

GOD NO

SOMEONE GET ME VIVIAN OUT OF HERE ! 🤣

o no we cant the battlegroups are sealed

ATLAS, HELP!!!

[solar bear]

Anywhere that we can't get in and get out on our on is a gigantic risk...

[solar bear]

I gonna use you as reactive armor for my IFV...

[hazy radish]

For my grain of salt on what was spoken,

I think it's good to stay with Atlas unless there's a catastrophic killer failure somewhere.
Having a TF being able to deploy a BG is still very nice, even if it's not for elim because, idk, reasons, it can always be for crossroads or something else.

And hey, if we decide now, after all that's been done from our part, from atlas' part, from pathfinders' part, to say "nah actually we're going on foot", well that's just fcked planning an coordination.
That means convincing to take pathfinders, or having no one to bring on to Elim, that's just not cool.

Sure, if everything goes to absolute shitters, we're fucked
But, it won't go absolute shitters, it'll be fine.

Even if we arrive at the same time as npc transports, I don't care, as long as we get there lol.

as for "where to after elim"

uhm

I like crossroads.
But that's a problem for future us remember guys ? I think that's what we said back then.

Right, enough grains of salt I think.

Unless I missed something, idk.

[hazy radish]

I was busy playing war thunder actually :P

[hazy radish]

While I'm at it with important things, @tardy blaze can you please pin this ?
You can also vote on it if you wish to since, you did give this BG it's name after all 👀
Thanks ! 🔨

...does dresden get a vote in this since he literally gave the name to the BG ?

thonk.

[left thistle]

The snail consumes

[solar bear]

Yes...

[hazy radish]

aight putting it in the msg

Now, I'm headin' to sleep, good night boys & girls.

Or, good timezone, I guess.

[iron arrow]

can we vote for neither

[fluid viper]

These are the finalists of rounds of voting so they are the options in 3 rounds.

You can decide not to vote but at this point these are the options.

[iron arrow]

Yes i know that lol

i just don't like either

[eager lichen]

I mean, I did force the issue on the divorce and got it through the second time, so... valid tactic!

[eager lichen]

quietly hides STORM deployment map

[eager lichen]

Clarify, we'll be the ones that need emergency relief by the time y'all are back.

[eager lichen]

Get a divorce.

[muted eagle]

Yes

It's called not voting :p

[rigid oar]

I have returned from destroying my back. What has happened in my absence?

[muted eagle]

And damn, people really don't like the motto of "Always the right gamble"

[solar bear]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-fresh-prince-will-smith-gif-8260422073282672663

[hazy radish]

Tbh not too fond of the french one for reasons i've already explained but, I guess that's our final choices eh ?

Democracy babyyyyy !

[hazy radish]

Thank god sanity seems to prevail so far for the motto vote. :D

[rigid oar]

Yeah gambling motto would have been bad

[muted eagle]

Yeah, looks like the gambling one isn't gonna work :(

[glad hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/table-hit-yakuza-hitting-table-walk-out-gif-15307369

BUT I WANNA GAMBLE

[rigid oar]

I just don’t want people to think their taking a GAMBLE when they hire us ;).

[left thistle]

But we’d always be the right gamble >:)

[rigid oar]

But we’re not gambles we’re hammers

Damn should have put “The right tool for any job” or “The right hammer for the job” in the motto contest.

[left thistle]

Awwwww no

That would have been so good 😭

[muted eagle]

Yeah but they'll know that we're the right gamble

[rigid oar]

Hindsight is 20/20

[mellow narwhal]

alrighty. who here is insane enough to want a paradrop on the edge of the city (your pick on direction)

[fluid viper]

I am but an Engineer is zero use alone.

[median epoch]

FYI. We should be within range to deploy our combined transports to the planet next turn, so we can begin planning the op soon!

[left thistle]

I am too honestly so long as it’s not just infantry hitting the ground lmao

[left thistle]

Love to hear it!

[median epoch]

-# just another turn or two away from docking

[rapid pond]

Anyhow, we got the current order pic in Storm Blessed

Let’s just say the Starport may have a lot of holes

[left thistle]

So we’ll be a turn behind storm in reaching elim

That’s a good number!

[rapid pond]

That’s if you can instantly kill that orbital

[left thistle]

That’s less good lmao

[rapid pond]

Well I am checking its status (if it is allowed) upon entry

[left thistle]

Well, we’re going to be hot dropping in from aerospace units so idk if the orbital is relevant at this point, unless it shoots down a HAT or smth

[rapid pond]

The real issue is that we’re skipping the orbital in high orbit in favour of using our VTOLs’ weaponry on their infantry instead

It’s also the fact we dunno if there’s fighters

We’re just hoping that our hasty arrival has stopped any current QRF, but we should be able to land our AA MBT

[left thistle]

Hmmm I guess we actually have to start talking about planning in here

So far it’s only been important topics like how to improve our gambling and our new motto

[rapid pond]

…

[muted eagle]

We did have some productive conversations!

[rapid pond]

I have told y’all multiple times (kinda at the same point in the day) to stop gambling

[muted eagle]

Nah

Don't feel like quitting

[left thistle]

N O

[muted eagle]

I'm not gonna quit before I win big

[rapid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-knight-father-bread-boys-crusader-gif-18266778

[median epoch]

Honestly the gambling is what makes Iron Hammer unique in the fleet, and has grown on me.

[left thistle]

Exactly 99% of gamblers quit before they hit jackpot

[rapid pond]

Wasn’t it 90%?

[muted eagle]

Shh, it encourages people to gamble more if the number is higher

[left thistle]

The point remains the same either way

Aim to be in the top percents >:)

[median epoch]

It's ok, 80% of all statistics are made up on the spot

[tired jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/dandadan-ddd-momo-ayase-momo-gambling-gif-2433764376963763726

[rapid pond]

Nalla, no

Gambling is bad

[median epoch]

In all honesty, take a look at Operation Deuce again (it's in our doc) and tally up how many of your troops wanna be paradropped in our first wave!

[rapid pond]

I feel like I’m going to need to re-write multiple of the enemy bot’s code just to make them slap your people

[muted eagle]

Want me to add a list of iron hammer troops in the deployment logistics tab?

[median epoch]

as they volunteer sure, it's gonna be dangerous.
Lets reserve SkyWolf for our own deployables, and your inf can take up spots in the other two HATs.

[sleek cedar]

I think it also depends on where Storm goes. If they land everyone centrally or spread out changes where we should consider airdropping if needed. It doesn't seem like there are too many safe places to airdrop large amounts of people to avoid the d4 damage.

[left thistle]

From the looks of it, they’re dropping in and around the space port

[muted eagle]

Right, added a list of our troops to the deployment logistics tab

[median epoch]

Definitely a large concern of mine, we'll have some more accurate targets after the midrounds are out.

[left thistle]

Which if we drop in the southwestern corner of the map to avoid the d4, it would allow us to do some nice hammering against their anvil

[muted eagle]

Feel free to sign up for one of the two HATs that Atlas will carry us down with

Remember to use your callsign for it

[left thistle]

Is there a sheet or are we just dropping that here?

[muted eagle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hrejUl57PQz8Topn3FKS7rNhTnnSOzhJqsoLUuMrPng/edit?usp=sharing

It's in atlas's

Under "Deployment Logistics"

We also have three VTOLs and a HVTOL that we need people to volunteer for

[left thistle]

I feel like medics and engineers should get those slots, that way they have a bit more flexibility in where they can drop

In case Storm needs some attention or smth like that

[muted eagle]

I think our medical corps should definitely take a VTOL down

Same with the combat engineer

I myself will be volunteering for LCKYDRP, hope this works

[left thistle]

I'm just a regular group of grunts so we're taking the airdrop too

-# here's to hoping we dont get shot down before entering atmosphere lol

[muted eagle]

Right, added in the HVTOL and VTOLs for people to volunteer to ride on

[south ether]

so who is riding this rooster down

[left thistle]

Oh also is storm's vtols going to help? If they do we might be able to deploy everyone in IH in one turn

Ik operation Deuce had some mention of Storm's HVTOLs at least helping get our other two tanks down

[muted eagle]

I believe it was mostly just the HVTOLs helping out

So we can get our tanks down on the ground faster

[median epoch]

I'll link up with Storm tonight and see how many standard VTOLs they can spare, I'd like to reserve at least one of ours for a boarding mission just in case that Frigate has 2 armor and Storm can't damage it.

They're slower than the HATs, so it might be faster to wait for spacedock

[left thistle]

Sounds good thanks! It'll give the Storm vtols a little more to do than take pot shots with their peeshooters lol

Ahh didn't know that

[median epoch]

Gonna call it operation "Echo". The storm hits twice.

[left thistle]

Ooooh thats a good one

[muted eagle]

I do like that name

Right, I'm gonna get to work on a more indepth plan

[hazy radish]

:D

[muted eagle]

Does anyone still have that map of Elim lying around?

[hazy radish]

Operation Shit Creek for me chief

Otherwise we're really planning for the worst rn ?

[muted eagle]

Here we go, found it

[left thistle]

@muted eagle Here's the most up to date one if that's helpful

The one with all the contacts and what not

[muted eagle]

Yeah, I ended up finding that one too

Right, @median epoch mind asking for Atlas's opinions too? And I'd like iron hammers opinions on this

Hmm

One moment

Here we go

You may need to zoom in a bit

[median epoch]

I'm AFK for a bit, feel free to hop over and ask.