Battlegroup 5 - Redwall: Comms

[slow belfry]

Wow. Really wish I could advertise sometimes. I’m a published fantasy author XD.

[junior remnant]

It gets really hard to store your books after a while, we have like 3 bookshelves and still can't fit all of our books lol

[slow belfry]

Yeah, it happens. I have boxes of books.

[junior remnant]

Cool, now gib

[scarlet needle]

3?

Thems rookie numbers 😜

[meager comet]

Yeah the main begrudging reason why I switched to digital is that I have no room to store physical ones

[junior remnant]

Yeah, everysince I got my phone I found no need for books now

[scarlet needle]

Oh I rock my Kindle for a lot of stuff. Just means I put things I WANT on my shelf up there.

[junior remnant]

You got any history books?

[slow belfry]

Yeah, I can message you.

[novel dawn]

ill take a recommendation as wlel

[junior remnant]

Epic, now more food for me to consume

[meager comet]

Me too

[slow belfry]

Yeah? Okay

My first one has some growing pains, but the second one feels a lot more refined.

[ashen wing]

Welcome aboard

That’s the criteria for being a GM so that checks out 😂

[vague drum]

Sorry you’re the only air asset we have

Didn’t we pick crossroads

[ashen wing]

Soooo we have literally only one air asset???

Our battle group is a logistical nightmare XD

[vague drum]

Lucky this game doesn’t simulate maintenance,………

[ashen wing]

Eh to a point it does because you can repair units and I believe that takes supplies

Could be wrong

[warped oriole]

No you’re right

[warped oriole]

Also it’s not that bad in terms of logistics. The battlegroup is primarily infantry with only 2MBT’s, 4-5 engineers and 3 arty that really need to be regularly supplied

[ashen wing]

Just checked, so yeh we are a logi nightmare 😂 this’ll be fun on so many levels

[warped oriole]

If the logitrucks have a supply point in the city and can just focus on doing supply work then supplies shouldn’t be an issue

Though on second thought medics also require the occasional resupply

[ashen wing]

True, I was talking to another person who may be able to provide additional supplies if we need them since we will be very reliant on our two trucks

[vague drum]

Reminder who’s our task force guide again?

[ashen wing]

Yeah, by default we only have four medical supplies and require 1 small supply to replenish each time

[vague drum]

That city better not be fallen by the we get there

We need those supplies

Quick question can we scavenge supplies from the bots?

[ashen wing]

Plus whatever our engineers, infantry, arty, and tanks will need. Us five medics alone take a lot

[vague drum]

Whose our tac com?

[warped oriole]

I mean, logitrucks can essentially carry 10 small supplies with them per run. How many medical supplies do medics use up per turn on average ?

[ashen wing]

Depends. When I deployed with Blackout on Titan I managed to workout a very effective medical system, as well we were destroying enemy forces pretty quickly. Plus, we didn’t have medical supplies in the old version. Only supplies to build our MASH

So having supply costs for things like a MASH plus actual trauma kits is a new balancing act

I think the arty, MBT’s and our medical teams are gonna use the most supplies

[warped oriole]

Enginers are probably going to use the most initially but the rest are going to be important to keep operational when the battle starts

[ashen wing]

Yeah, we’re gonna be going through a lot at the start for sure. No doubt there

We’ll be able to get a better read on it once we get some planetside information

[vague drum]

So do we have a backup in case crossroads is also fallen?

[ashen wing]

Personally: I’m assuming we’re gonna be fighting as soon as we hit the ground and fight hard for the ground we take to defend in some cases

[vague drum]

I hope not

[ashen wing]

Hope for the best, plan for the worst

[warped oriole]

My main worry about the battlegroup is the relative lack of armour piercing capabilities

[vague drum]

Do we have any specs we. Could send to get a lay of the land?

[ashen wing]

Best case scenario is we have minimal contact and can establish a frontline of defence. Worst case scenario is we end up with moderate resistance and end up having to push through the enemy and establish points of contact

[vague drum]

Even worse than that we could falll back and set up in crossroads

[ashen wing]

Yeah, we’re gonna be dependent on the long guns and tanks for that one. Plus whatever kits the infantry are carrying but even that’ll be dicy

[ashen wing]

Not that I’m aware of. Having Spec Ops would be nice though

[vague drum]

Can we rely on other battle groups to get intel? Presuming they have spec ops?

[ashen wing]

Fighting Retreat isn’t ideal but is definitely an option. The only down side is we lack sufficient transports. Two logis is all we have. No VTOLS or IFV’s for transport

[ashen wing]

We’ll have to wait and see what we get in reports

[warped oriole]

Though tbf, assuming full strength infantry squads attack a tank there is still about a 50% chance to damage it

[ashen wing]

Coin flips odds are better than nothing, I’ll take it

[vague drum]

I don’t like those odds

[ashen wing]

Odds are always low but never zero

Should have seen the crazy things that happened on Titan

Now those odds were jacked to say the least

[vague drum]

I’ll have to watch the video again

[warped oriole]

I mean, well dug in infantry have a similar if not better bonus thank a tank for defense

[ashen wing]

I think in the very first turn we most like two or three HAT’s carrying around 30+ units. All fronts were losing transports but us in Op Blackout beat the odds and landed all units safely

[vague drum]

Christ

[ashen wing]

Ngl I was absolutely losing my mind since I opted last minute to arrive via HAT 😂

Was not in my happy place to say the least 🤣

[vague drum]

Which battle group assaulted that one airbase that completely slaughtered their air assets?

[ashen wing]

Yeah, we were all collectively losing it

[ashen wing]

Honestly, I don’t remember. Personally I was focused on Blackout since we were very low on medics for the infantry numbers we had. I know it was the guys to our East but not sure who

[vague drum]

Were you fhe southern contingent or did you attack the power grid?

[ashen wing]

Yeah, I was one of the frontline medics who aided the infantry on the assault

[vague drum]

chaotic?

[ashen wing]

Was sketchy being next to a nuke power plant to say the least

[vague drum]

How did you managed to breakthrough

[ashen wing]

Surprisingly no. Our assault teams managed to clear out the enemy pretty easy. Well coordinated infantry assaults supported by our vehicles and arty got the job done well. And is medics worked out a system based on real world traumas protocols that kept our infantry alive

[vague drum]

This all reminds me of foxhole

[ashen wing]

We had some fierce fighting in the village but wasn’t too bad. No Total unit losses, all players in our AO survived

[vague drum]

What was the final casualty count?

[ashen wing]

Now if we’re talking RP losses we definitely took a lot of those but still not as many as others

[ashen wing]

I wanna say close to a hundred because of the early HAT casualties. Think I have some old screen shots of the casualty lists

[vague drum]

100 player units or 100 rp casualty?

[ashen wing]

Actual players. Between two HAT’s there was around 20 players alone. The units they were carrying plus the HAT’s themselves

Not counting the fighter and bomber pilots we lost, and others we lost in the more intense battles in the North

The old SS I have was fifteen actual players in the initial causality report of the two HAT’s that were shot down in the first turn. Pilot losses pushed it closer to 20 just in the air

[warped oriole]

Oh wow

On another note, I just realized we might need even more supplies. PA can regain 1 FS per supply if engineers take an action to repair them

[ashen wing]

Yeah, was definitely intense sitting in the transport waiting to se if the company gave us parachutes 😂

[ashen wing]

Oh lovely

[vague drum]

Fuck

[tawny pilot]

I think venator might be able to cover you, we got HATs to supply you in case you need it.

[ashen wing]

Catch y’all’s tomorrow, I’m headed out for the night

[warped oriole]

That would be very appreciated. Depending on how deployment works out

[stone igloo]

Morning gang

The map is courtesy of Venator

[tough condor]

True, but because incoming damage gets spread between units in range, as long as groups of PA stay together we can shrug off a lot since we ignore any 1s coming our way that don't have AP

That'll help mitigate any supply needing to be spent on keeping us up

[warped oriole]

We also have a relatively large number of engineers in general. I hope there will be enough for them to do. Though admittedly they could always prepare fallback positions for if the frontline falls.

[junior remnant]

is this elim or ziyal?

[stone igloo]

Ziyal

[stone igloo]

We'll be busy. We'll also need to repair PAs and I'm sure that Venator will need us as well

[stone igloo]

Crossroads "Map"

Venator is indeed planning a Blitzkrieg.

I propose that we follow behind them in support.

Their primary plan of attack are:

• Land in Ziyal
• Form perimeter
• Hold the line

Secondary:

• Land at Eim City
• Stage in Crossroads
• Push into Ziyal

[vague drum]

isn’t that what we’re doing?

[stone igloo]

Thats more geared for our secondary plan

Because we never really pinned that down afiak

[tawny pilot]

Yeah thats the gest of the plan, if we are unable to land at ziyal then we have to land at elim.

[cinder flare]

Hello guys, one of the lads that's counting the numbers of everyone's OPs with the doc and the help of Marksman.
I see you guys on the signup are at 40/40, does that imply you guys aren't recruiting anymore ? 👀

[stone igloo]

We were softlocking at 40 for the Taccom

[cinder flare]

Does that mean no more recruiting ? 🤔

[stone igloo]

I'd say we wouldn't turn anyone away if they REALLY wanted to join.

And our Taccom was okay with it

But there are several other BGs in need of units.

[tough condor]

I don't mind splitting mapping and taking half the BG

[cinder flare]

Alr, then I won't write anything like "not recruiting anymore" on the ops log, they'll hit you up in here I think anyways

[slow belfry]

Yes?

[compact briar]

40 is less of a hard limit and more a rule of thumb.

I would say that 50 is the hard cap.

[rose ocean]

60 is the official hard cap

[compact briar]

For the sake of TACOM sanity preservation.

50 is my hard cap

[strong kettle]

I think @tough condor offeres to help a few posts ago, but I'm not entirely certain. Can you confirm Trench?

[tough condor]

Indeed

[compact briar]

60 it is then

[stone igloo]

Larger, but "older", Crossroads map

[slow belfry]

8 years old

[errant moth]

I have the whole series except one book

[tawny cobalt]

Read most of em as a kid. Still remember the prisoner escape from an island one and the siege defence ones so thoroughly. And the otter raiders one because the decryption part was really cool to me

[tough condor]

I read most of them, the ones I didn't own I borrowed from the library at school as a kid

[scarlet needle]

@compact briar

It'll be this evening before I can pop on to officially remove my name from your doc.

But I am moving to TF Fluffle.

Just wanted to make sure you knew

[topaz fable]

Gotchu boss, dw about it

Update as of 10 AM

I added a document index, made more room on the signups sheet, highlighted out TACCOM's in yellow, and increased the unit cap to 50

I think 50 is our max

[compact briar]

60

[ashen wing]

Morning redwall. How we doing?

[spice marlin]

Red, but no wall yet

[hardy saffron]

google show me this guys

[strong kettle]

I'm alive, just vibin'

[hardy saffron]

im so ready to die gloriously to defend an engineer

I needd the most willing to take risks engineer we have

[ashen wing]

Pfft fair enough

[ashen wing]

Love it

[ashen wing]

[manic stirrup]

Just to double check, are you all reinforcing Crossroads or Ziyal?

[stone igloo]

Primary is Ziyal, but if landing at Ziyal is not an option we'll be setting up shop in Crossroads

[topaz fable]

When I said max I meant soft cap, ideally we don't go above 50 but if you want I can add 10 more spaces into the document.

[stone igloo]

Trench is gonna Co-TacCom, so they were good with going to 60

[topaz fable]

👍

[novel dawn]

The Wall shall be stained red with.. wait bots dont bleed.

[junior remnant]

they bleed oil

[novel dawn]

but oil is black

[junior remnant]

yeah, but if you use some food colouring, its now red

[novel dawn]

no? oil is very black

[junior remnant]

how black?

[topaz fable]

atf fluid is red

[junior remnant]

apparently motor oil can come in red variants

sooo

[subtle light]

Tbf can also be coolants but that’s usually blue (ours are atleast) and idk any ones colored red

[ashen wing]

The walls shall be stained with the unholy essence of the soulless machines that threatened the purity of flesh!

[novel dawn]

Spectre Company being Machines themselves look at you Yes indeed...

[ashen wing]

You’re the exception 😂

ARMCO machines are good machines

[novel dawn]

Do be sure to look out for the Indentifing blue ribbons marking friendly machine units

[ashen wing]

Rog’ that

makes a note: CAS call on blue ribbons

Cheers bud!

😂

[novel dawn]

live synth reaction

[ashen wing]

🤣

[novel dawn]

I know where your barracks is

[ashen wing]

I know where your warehouse is

:p

totally not laughing my ass off right now

Don’t worry we don’t have CAS anyway

[novel dawn]

Note to self. Keep shield units between us and Saints Medi Platoon.

[ashen wing]

Okay there’s my laugh for the day

[novel dawn]

Our cameras are watching you Wolfie

[ashen wing]

Make sure you get my good side

[novel dawn]

Friendly fire will not be tolerated. It is encouraged in return fire

[ashen wing]

https://tenor.com/view/grinch-pose-fab-gif-13879588

[novel dawn]

Error: Unable to detect

[ashen wing]

Friendly fire isn’t friendly. Who said that has clearly never been shot 😂

[ashen wing]

Pfft damn

[novel dawn]

You have been puts ill fitting glasses on burned

[ashen wing]

Geez 😂

Love that

[novel dawn]

Anyways are you a normal medic or combat medics

[ashen wing]

Combat Doc

Combat with a CCP

[novel dawn]

Chinese communist party?

DAM COMMIES

[ashen wing]

HAHAHA

wrong kind of red 😂

I know we’re redwall but dang

Didn’t know we were THAT red

Jokes aside I have a Casualty post for civie evac. Me and Stitch were talking about working to evac as many people as possible

[novel dawn]

Good idea. Im sure the Logistics Battlegroup will probably be dealing with that

[ashen wing]

Hoping I can establish my CCP a little ways behind any contact line we have and then return to the front and support infantry on the line

[subtle light]

Cuties-

[inland sedge]

I’ll follow you after we set up some sandbags for our defense line

[subtle light]

Hope we don’t have to use dead infantry as sandbags

(Us synthetics wouldn’t make the best sandbags admittedly)

[hardy saffron]

hop on the PA train brother i’ll escort you wherever you decide to build your bags

[inland sedge]

I figure we are going to only be a few clicks ( 2-4 hexs) from the star port for our line this way we can lessen the chance of an orbital being under fire from the bots and it gives us the ability to resupply quickly from space. I’m not going to lie I wanna try and capture and tech or spare parts to use it as supply or upgrades for people so I wanna be in the thick of it if you’ll have me

[compact briar]

Since we have CCP/Civilian evac medics, it would be good for us to set up in heavily populated areas.

[hardy saffron]

i’ll go exactly 1/4 hex in front of you anywhere you go brother

got the ballistic shields and everything

[compact briar]

Since the bots will "collect" the population, it'll be a good idea to save them

[subtle light]

Exactly keep em safe so these crazy bots don’t abduct them

[inland sedge]

Fair so maybe we just secure the port and have that as a retreat point and then advance to the population areas to set up the ccp? I feel uneasy not securing our means of supply if we can get more

[glass walrus]

The one thing I'm sure we'll be is painfully slow since we are mostly infantry and getting hit with extra damage trying to go faster sounds horrible enough

But we will be tanky too so as long as there's cover I'm confident most shots will bounce off our armor while the standard infantry lays down fire

[subtle light]

Yeah I wish we had more ifvs and stuff to transport us (maybe I’ll buy some afterwords)

[strong kettle]

I mean, to be fair, we're a BG with a Trench Warfare doctrine. We're not trying to move fast, we're trying to get dumped out the back of transport to build the Alamo.

[halcyon peak]

the main issue with us being slow is if we need to land early to avoid enemy AA fire or if we aren't able to retreat if our lines are broken somewhere.

[tough condor]

You rang?

[ashen wing]

We’re basically gonna be the poor fuckers who got hot dropped behind the lines on D-Day who are operating off of a spit and sprayer

Given were mainly infantry we ain’t got much spit so we living on a prayer 😂

[obtuse charm]

As long as everyone remembers their power armor I'm sure it'll be fine

https://tenor.com/fHFVLdGGZsx.gif

[strong kettle]

Power armor? Outrider is literally digging out back of a walgreens for bandaids.

[obtuse charm]

As long as you hum the MASH theme song you're fine

[ashen wing]

Brother I don’t have power or armour! I AM A SQUISHY MEAT BEING! 😂

The only part of power I have is POW if the looks at me the wrong way

[obtuse charm]

if all else fails i find running away in terror works quite well, i did that at Braven

[ashen wing]

Strategic retreat? Nah

Running away bravely? Hell yeah 😎 😂

Braven? Where was that?

[obtuse charm]

Calmly advancing to the rear

[ashen wing]

Love that even better 😂

[obtuse charm]

it was the campaign dresdan(i think) ran

[ashen wing]

Lussan or something like that?

Or one of the recent training ones?

I’ve only been deployed to Haven, and Titan

Never made it into the small scenarios, annnnd I literally slept through signups for Lussan. Yay for time zones

[obtuse charm]

it was the one dresdan ran a few mouths ago Rescure at New Braven

[ashen wing]

Ah okay. I remember that one

Tried to join but the bot rejected me like a high school crush 😭

😂

[subtle light]

Market garden gaming

Also literally my first campaign I’ve missed like 10-12 of the smaller ones since I caught the tail end of the last major one

[slow belfry]

You arent actually a squishy meat being. You are 4 squishy meat beings.

[subtle light]

Imagine being a squishy meat being. This post was made by the synthetic infantry gang

(Wish there was an option or upgrade for being Beeprs beyond power armor)

[slow belfry]

You speaking mighty confident for a potential IFF Casualty

xD

[slow belfry]

Heyo, question. this is my first campaign but our units will eventually be assigned to one of our tac-comms yeah?

[tulip zephyr]

BTW, this is my first campaign. Is there a help to explain how to issue orders and where I tell the Tac-Com what my trucks are doing when we make planet fall?

Oh, and I am going to be assigned any Arty to tow at the start? Combat loaded with troops or supplies?

[slow belfry]

That would make the most sense. You can carry either 2 infantry units or carry supplies, and can also tow.

[subtle light]

https://youtu.be/IKtD2kht1ZI can’t wait for us to turn Ziyal into space Kursk with such absurd defenses they can throw wave after wave of tanks at us and they will be pushed back by our in depth defenses

[slow belfry]

i was gonna say Stalingrad lol

[subtle light]

Both end the same way for the attackers tho Kursk fits a lot better as they defended the shit out of that city so that even the largest force of tanks in history couldn’t break the line

Tho yeah in this case the Soviet’s had a 2:1 numbers advantage in tanks, infantry, artillery, and a 1.5:1 advantage in planes

Not sure if we will have such an overwhelming advantage here but we will similarly be digging in like hell

[slow belfry]

i dont think we will lol.

they can self replicate

[subtle light]

True that’s why we have a battlegroup defending the mines so they can’t get the materials for said self replication

Maybe who knows

[slow belfry]

ah, but they might be able to break through to the other mine

also, they want the people in the city

probably to make more bots

Though.... that's actually a scarier thought than i realized. The bots could be bio-mechanical.

god... i hope we dont end up with a Geth situation on our hands

[subtle light]

Literally the fucking automatons

Also geth aren’t biomechanical that’s the reapers and their husks

[slow belfry]

and i saw this. The Geth reanimated corpse horde would be crazy

[slow belfry]

Im referencing the geth spikes that turn people into zombie things

from the first game

(I know its reaper tech but still)

[meager comet]

So with tac coms everyone will submit their order in the bg order section than the tac coms will make the map we’re not necessarily assigned one

[slow belfry]

ah, got it

[meager comet]

So when the campaign starts there’s going to be another thread like the battle group sections for orders

We all submit the orders there before the deadline the tac coms then make the map together with the units on it and what they’re doing then submit it to shack who combines the maps together into the big map

Then he does the op for term

[slow belfry]

i think he said before that he makes the orders for the enemies before ours are in and then has them play out. Dunno if he still does that since that was for like C3.

[meager comet]

He probably has the first turn done before we drop but then he has to go off our orders

[stone igloo]

So no one can order your unit, so that decision is ultimately up to you.

However, that being said, our current Logi should have the arty set to be towed (the third is a SPG). You can haul units, but most of the BG is gonna be on foot anyways.

Instead, I would suggest loading supply to bring along in the initial wave.

But all of this depends on the first week as well be in the following waves.

[stone igloo]

Newest map from Sierra. With the minor note that Ultra is now retasking to Cell'dar mines Haydar Village

[strong kettle]

So we have Venator and Spearhead with us. As I recall, aren't Venator VERY well supplied?

(Check my info there.)

[stone igloo]

No. We're have the most logi at three units. Venator has two (with four arty pieces) and I think Spearhead has one.

We also have the most Medics and Engineers (which makes sense IMO). So we'll likely have to assist those units as well.

[strong kettle]

Ah... I must have been thinking of someone else.

Welp... if someone drops a rifle, make sure to recover it XD.

Ziyal will be our Alamo

Let's just hope we can actually hold it lol.

[stone igloo]

Hopefully not the 7th Cav seeking Crazy Horse

[errant moth]

Got to throw ourselves to that city screaming "Eulalia"

[subtle light]

Yeah those were given to the heretic geth yo use bc they worship Nazzara (Sovereign) as the form of synthetic life they aspire to become. Main geth call them heretics and don’t approve of em at all

[slow belfry]

indeed. Mass Effect is my favorite game series and i have 100%'d it 3 times

[slow belfry]

when did we get a third logi unit xD

[subtle light]

Still pissed I couldn’t romance legion I tried for so long lol

[stone igloo]

We got ourselves a Praire Dog

[compact briar]

Has he signed up on the sheet?

[stone igloo]

Probably not @tulip zephyr

[compact briar]

I am in favor of this motion.

[stone igloo]

Would we benefit more from an Engi or Logi? Im thinking I might need to switchout Bricks for a basic Logi

[ashen wing]

I’d say logi for sure. We have five or six engineers

Lemme double check

Yeah. We have six engineers and two logi’s currently

[warped oriole]

I think dwarf fortress has 6 or something

[tawny cobalt]

worst come to worst maybe a logi could drive a couple engis back to hoof some supply as well? can carry 4 each, though not sure if the time sink would be unreasonable

[ashen wing]

Not a bad idea if the engineers have to fallback and set up a secondary line

Been meaning to ask if anyone has posted an SS of where we are deploying. Haven’t had a lot of time lately to check

[tawny cobalt]

I'm a little confused on that because there was some discussion here earlier of crossroads but this screenshot shows us at Ziyal

[halcyon peak]

our plan is to try and get to Ziyal, but if Ziyal isn't possible then we're going to crossroads

[sterile brook]

From what I know, our plan is to get to Ziyal if we can, but we probably need to land at the Elim starport assuming Ziyal is not safe to land, then move through crossroads and into Ziyal, fighting through if we need

[stone igloo]

Logitruck Mortar

[ashen wing]

Rog’ that. I’ll check the map later

Hopefully we’ll get some more info soon

We have good concepts but definitely need the intel so we can get a bit more organized

[compact briar]

Trying to get HATs for us. If that works out, we can paradrop

[ashen wing]

That would definitely help in a number of ways

If we can keep them that should help take pressure off your two only logi trucks

Six engineers, five medics, and three pieces of arty we are gonna consume a lot

[tawny cobalt]

Dar switched from engi to logitruck, spreadsheet has been updated (and I double-checked the statistics page cuz I was confused about it)

[stone igloo]

It'll still be tough, but yeah. I figured Logi would be better for multiple reasons.

[ashen wing]

Eh fair enough

[tulip zephyr]

Line 22 on the Spreadsheet. My unit is active in SAMs
If I need to sign up anywhere else then please let me know.

[inland sedge]

are we missing a medic or did someone drop out?

[tawny cobalt]

version history shows it was undeadrye, and searching their messages they didn't mention anything so may have just been an accident

[topaz fable]

@sterile brook ^

[strong kettle]

I was pinged in #meta-comm does anyone know why? I can't find it.

[burnt knoll]

Pobably the newest Red Press issue. Its in the pins

[bitter valley]

So, what is the current plan?

[topaz fable]

wait

for intel

[slow belfry]

Yeah, wait for intel, speculate on how the bots are going to use us as meat suits, argue about which landing sight we should use as our backup. You know, the usual.

[compact briar]

Based on preliminary intelligence, here are 3 conops. If anyone has any other proposals or feedback, go right ahead.

Deployment Plan Blue
Enemy Situation: Synthetic forces have established dominance over most of the planet. Elim City may or may not be under threat.
Friendly Situation: Heavy Air Transport is unavailable to BG Redwall.
Operational Plan: Take NPC transport to Elim City, deploy in defensive stance, evaluate pending further intelligence.
Advantages: More cautious deployment plan that minimizes risks to force.
Disadvantages: Slowest of all deployment plans.

Deployment Plan Yellow
Enemy Situation: Synthetic forces have advanced across part of the planet. Ziyal City is untenable due to enemy orbital/air defense. Crossroads imperiled.
Friendly Situation: Heavy Air Transport is available to BG Redwall.
Operational Plan: Paradrop in an open area in the Crossroads. Set up defenses and use Stitch and the Saints to commence civilian evacuation operations.
Advantages: A more forward deployment in a central location that we will probably fight over anyway. We can immediately begin evacuating civilians.
Disadvantages: If HATs are shot down prior to paradrop, all embarked units will be lost. Lack of airfield in Crossroads will require vehicles to either unload in Elim City and move to join main body, or wait until another battlegroup can establish a temporary airfield.

Deployment Plan Red
Enemy Situation: Synthetic Forces have either not landed or have only begun preliminary landing operations. Ziyal City is relatively unimperiled.
Friendly Situation: Heavy Air Transport and fighter cover is available to BG Redwall.
Operational Plan: Paradrop on Ziyal City Starport, land vehicles. Set up defenses and use Stitch and the Saints to commence civilian evacuation operations.
Advantages: Ziyal City is one of 2 orbit-to-surface routes Synthetic forces can realistically use. They are guaranteed to attack it, and therefore we are guaranteed to see fighting if we go here. As one of 2 major cities on Lumara, it is also a key area to rescue civilians. 3 other Battlegroups have also declared their intention to immediately advance on Ziyal.
Disadvantages: If enemy air defense is heavier than expected, significant casualties could be incurred before we can get to the ground.

[hardy saffron]

Thats a great set of plans brother thank you

Are we in contact with any battlegroups or task forces for transport if deployment plan red was an option

[topaz fable]

we talked to atlas TF-2 but nothing confirmed

[tawny cobalt]

so would something like this make sense for defence, where PA would be behind the 1st line of bag walls?

[slow belfry]

It’s going to depend on the terrain. If we are in a city, we need to take advantage of the buildings.

[remote lotus]

Depending on our number and on the map we might want to have the concave in our favor. In the formation you show, it's possible only two inf can fire on a target at once.

[slow belfry]

Each trench segment can hold 2 units I believe.

[remote lotus]

Taking the same place or side by side ?

[slow belfry]

I think it’s side by side. Not at my PC at the moment so I can’t look.

We also want to make sure that any trenches we dig aren’t so complex that they take forever to make.

Trenches already take a while.

[remote lotus]

I'm checking, does say it's tow units, doesn't say how, probably side by side, I think units have colision at rest.

With this rule half the job can be done by normal inf

[slow belfry]

We should assume it’s side by side

[slow belfry]

We have more normal infantry than PA anyway.

[tawny cobalt]

excellent point, I would prefer a concave formation if terrain allows. that said, convex allows a wider arc of fire with fewer segments so that could be another optimization we could need to make. but ye if we have terrain cover your way would be better

[slow belfry]

Depending on the terrain, we may even be split up into fireteams.

[remote lotus]

I think PA is still infantry for rule purpose.

[slow belfry]

It is

It’s Power Armor Infantry.

But they need the trenches to get the defense bonus that they lose from not having Dig In

[remote lotus]

So engies put the sandbags and inf (PA, drop and simple) follow to dig the trench

[slow belfry]

Infantry can’t dig the trenches

Nevermind I’m dumb

Trenches actually don’t take that long.

[tawny cobalt]

another big point of debate in my head is whether the first and second lines should be interconnected. The big pro in my head being safer medi evac and the negative being that it would all lose its bonus if any of it is taken

[remote lotus]

I don't think PA gets the bonus of Dug in even in a trench, Rule as written

[slow belfry]

No, but the cover they get from trenches is basically the same as dig in.

[tawny cobalt]

was asking in meta comm, I belive you're right but they do still get the +defence armor of being in a trench

[remote lotus]

They get to +2 armor in trenches, where infantry get 1 armor, 2 def.

[slow belfry]

The second line would have to be a fallback point, so interconnected would be nice, but not a priority in my mind.

Honestly though, all of this depends on the terrain. We may not even be able to do what we are thinking.

[tawny cobalt]

if we're setting up to defend an area for a while and have 5 engis, I mean what I threw together in TTS wouldn't even use the engineer's initial supply to make

we'll have 20 engi supply on at deployment

[slow belfry]

It’s more of the Time aspect. We don’t know how much time we will have.

Hell, we could have negative time

[remote lotus]

Because of the flanking rules If we do a conectice trench we need to have it some other way than 90°

[slow belfry]

Like a kill box?

[tawny cobalt]

could this get pinned please?

[tawny cobalt]

thanks a lot for the feedback, I need to go read the flanking rules

[bitter valley]

I personally would be more partial to a Plan Blue or Yellow Deployment unless we have some time to set up after a Plan Red Deployment.

[slow belfry]

I think we also need to decide how we are going to defend the city. If the terrain allows it, would we be setting up outside of it? Or taking advantage of the city itself?

[remote lotus]

If they can aim along a trench we don't get the bonuses.

The main problem we will meet is that we all (more or less) fire at range 1. So most things will outrange us. We will need to make use of false trenches and building to cut line of sight.

[slow belfry]

Yeah, another thing is that the city doesn’t appear to be walled just from the prelims. We have to be more creative with our defenses.

We’ll know more once the scouts get back.

I’ll do some brainstorming when I get back to my PC, under the assumption that we are dropping in Ziyal as planned and the layout is the same as the small image we have.

[bitter valley]

If we are going to start digging Trenches then keep in mind not to dig them in straight lines, getting zig-zags and kill zones is ideal

[slow belfry]

If we dig the trenches intelligently, we’ll be able to move through them to where we are needed.

[tawny cobalt]

yessir, I think the key will be balancing the effectiveness that will we'll get with those zig-zags with doing it quickly/without tons of segments. if terrain covers our flanks then we can afford to really optimize for overlapping fire instead of covering a wide arc

[slow belfry]

Oh shit guys, what if we can’t dig the trenches on the roads?

[inland sedge]

I would prefer to build inside the city and use buildings as corner stones on trench lines and the trenches/ sandbags to cover the streets this way it would cost less supply gives cover

[remote lotus]

I think a simple patern we can follow would look like this. Enemy unit need to either get in the building or walk along the road into our range. If they get in the building the PA can get in and null the enemy bonus and still be armored, while getting covering fire from the Inf.

If they go along the road, Inf can get close and open fire while PA take cover in the buildings.

[slow belfry]

Same

[slow belfry]

They can also just go around us, which wouldn’t be good.

[compact briar]

If we have enough time, we can also build wire in front of the trenches

[inland sedge]

Making me go on my computer to draw lol

[remote lotus]

We can wire/tank trap the middle, and we will need to at least 270° our defenses of the city.

[slow belfry]

Yeah, I was thinking concentric circles.

[tawny cobalt]

I unironically thought about driving 5min to the office to draw it up in CAD but figured TTS was good enough. just seemed fun, I drew up the capital city of the starter region for a D&D campaign I ran a few years back

[remote lotus]

We might want to make bait sandbag that are flanked by our trenches but not open to the enemy.

[slow belfry]

So I was just thinking, and I don’t think Ziyal will be there when we get there. Based on how the campaign could play out, and the fact that if we hold them at Ziyal, they end up stuck and won’t really engage anyone else, I have a feeling that they will have taken it when we get there, opening them up to moving through to the other areas.

[remote lotus]

Another possibility is that we will need to hold the NW and SW side of the map to stop them from just bypassing us. Witch will be harder without the city cover.

[slow belfry]

Yeah, and if they flank us, it’s a problem.

[inland sedge]

pink = starport
gray lines are streets
black buildings are "intact or ruined buildings used as hardcover"
brown boxs = sandbages and maybe trech behind if we can

this is a rough draft of what i thought we would need to do around our resupply point and to evace civs out. we would want to change it up a bit to have art cover and such but its a rough draft

[remote lotus]

We might not need the West cover since that's our entry point, it should be clear. Straight frontal trenches run the risk of us being fired at from beyond range and just getting chip damaged to death.

We probably want at least a medic/engie entry trench so they can counter the chip damage.

[tawny cobalt]

My attempt at an urban defence from 2 prongs. The black lines are trenches, the bridges are building replacements

[inland sedge]

I like it it’s just so much supply I would love to build a beautiful trench and sandbag line but I feel like we will need to almost have the minimum up of just blocking off roads and trying to resupply everyone (medics repair PA supply art)

[remote lotus]

I like the green position, I'm a bit more iffy on some of the other.

[slow belfry]

I recommend another plan.

Assume that Ziyal has fallen. Deploy at Elim and move half of our forces to Cell'Dar mine and begin fortifying it while the second half move to C-Z and form a temporary defensive line to delay the Enemy. Once the defenses are up, Abandon C-Z and bunker down in defense of Cell'Dar. Whatever happens, we cannot allow them to capture that mine. If they were to reproduce on site...

[inland sedge]

We can’t split the battle group

[slow belfry]

we can

we cant deploy split

but if we drop at Elim and move to our objective, we can split

at least, thats what i understood

[tawny cobalt]

I think since one of our medics has something that can save civies, that was one of the reasons why a lot of the plans were in urban environments

[slow belfry]

this is under the assumption that Ziyal has already fallen

[inland sedge]

We can stagger our deployment in the same map but from my understanding we have to all be in the same map or all move to the same map unless we do a sortie (aircraft only )

[slow belfry]

There is already a BG moving to Haydar, but nobody is going for Cell'Dar Mine

[inland sedge]

Or break up the battle group

[slow belfry]

Uh oh. We need confirmation

Well, if the case is that we all have to be in the same "Map" then we should just move to Cell'Dar mine if Ziyal is caput.

Everywhere else has lines of BG's defending. But the south is open

and if they take the mine, they will likely create a swarm of bots

[remote lotus]

Cell'Dar mine can only be reach on foot from Zyal. We'll need orbital or Air drop otherwise.

[inland sedge]

Im down for going anywhere I just wanna grab tech and scrap to build things and hang out with my PA friends right @hardy saffron your going to hang out with meee?

[slow belfry]

If Ziyal has fallen, we would be going from Elim. But if the scouts say that the mine isnt occupied, then we can send the logi trucks ahead with the artillery, 2 engineer teams and 2 infantry to get a head start on the defenses. Logi trucks move 3x as fast as the infantry.

Actually, it says that the logi truck can hold "2 full infantry squads worth of FS" so does that mean one can hold 3 engineer teams or 4 PA teams? Or is it just Two Units?

[remote lotus]

There is no land conexion between Elim and Cell'Dar. The only land conexion to Cell'Dar goes by Zyal.

Dotted line are air access, Full line is land access.

[slow belfry]

Really?

where does it say that?

[slow belfry]

I have been assured by moderators that the logi trucks can fit 12FS total, meaning a Logi truck can fit 3 engineer teams or 4 PA Teams.

it also counts if you have 4 infantry squads that have been half eliminated. Holy crap these trucks are cool

[tawny cobalt]

or 1 inf 2 PA 2 engi 1 medi for our first wave? can you tow the arty at the same time?

[slow belfry]

yes

[slow belfry]

zamn

so if Ziyal has fallen, we will have to leave Cell'Dar to a BG that has air transports.

then i guess plan Yellow is probably the most realistic

Oh hey, the Logi truck says it can also carry 1 vehicle in the back. It just says vehicle. MBT on duh truck fo today

Alright, but we will want to move as fast as we can even if we just end up at crossroads. I think using the Logi trucks to ferry troops will be instrimental in allowing us to get fortifications up early. MBTs are also 2x as fast as us, so they can go ahead. Unless, of course, we have to be in the same map. In which case, im going to scream.

[hardy saffron]

hell yeah we will put on some smooth looting jazz and run over to the front lines

I might need some minor heals tho lmao

[slow belfry]

Damn, we have to move on the Strategic Map as a BG, determined by the slowest unit. Sadge. But, when we get to the Tac map, we can deploy faster with the Logi trucks so thats cool.

[inland sedge]

Yes but we want to be careful if we separate to much we will get picked apart. We always want to be buddy system with I would say at least 3 man units (hopefully another PA unit comes to join in the bit looting with me and gudiu)

[tawny cobalt]

if you die early, do you get the req right away so that you could redeploy later on in the same mission as a new unit?

[compact briar]

Nope.

You get one unit. Once that's gone, you're out.

[tawny cobalt]

good thing I brought my lucky dungarees

[tulip zephyr]

I know that we are focused planet side being BG but I hope that some of TF are going to look at the big wreckage in space and try to drive the bots away from it. To me, a floating junkyard says all you can eat buffet. If the fly boys don't focus on that then we will be in for some long days of slog once the bots start manufacturing up there.

[slow belfry]

Yeah

[ashen wing]

G’day gents and ladies, how we doing today?

[junior remnant]

Good

[last narwhal]

o/

[strong kettle]

Good evening!

[obtuse charm]

Good evening everyone

[ashen wing]

Good to see y’all’s doing well

[subtle light]

Full Stalingrad style defense

If the outer perimeter falls we go full guerrilla warfare in the buildings making the bots suffer horrendously for each city block they take

Or Christophsis if you want a sci-fi version (hopefully with less warcrimes… tho with these bots and the Armco lore I’m not sure if warcrime rules actually apply lol)

[glass walrus]

There are war crimes

For example Nukes are banned

Mostly universally

[tulip zephyr]

With 3 artillery, if we are in more open terrain then we should adopt the interlocking firebase approach. One Artillery piece surrounded by defense and infantry. Three firebase force the enemy to focus on one or two bases which leaves the other artillery free to support the base under assault.

[meager comet]

Well it looks like either way we’re going to be in a city not the best firing angles in those

Especially ziyal maybe if we’re forced back into cross roads we could do it

[errant moth]

Until we level the buildings in the bot's side of the city 😈

[compact briar]

Did we lose our wall-constructing engineer?

[meager comet]

If they even own the city

[balmy zenith]

vietnam tactics...

[tawny cobalt]

@stone igloo looks like spreadsheet was rolled back maybe? Campaign statistics show logi truck active but spreadsheet back to having u as field engi

[stone igloo]

I changed it 🤔

[tawny cobalt]

Looks right now, not sure if I was tweaking or if that was a rapid-fire correction

[hardy saffron]

god i can’t wait to die gloriously against endless hordes of bots this is gonna rock

[strong kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-clone-wars-kix-ct6116-clone-gif-22760265

[balmy zenith]

i can't wait to provide artillery support :)

[topaz fable]

Unknown let me check

We still have a blank spot for a medic

[tawny cobalt]

I definitely saw it fixed 2hr ago, I wonder if multiple people being in it is screwing with which version gets saved. (I.e. person A fixes the sheet and closes the tab, person B still has old version up on their screen and closes it and it saves right back to old version)

It was UndeadRye in that row

[hardy saffron]

THIS IS GONNA BE ME FR I CAN’T WAIT

If i survive this campaign next campaign im convincing a battleship to solo drop me directly into the enemies main base i’ve survived too damn many campaigns

[meager comet]

I think this one is going to be significantly harder than the last ones

They last one was a raid and we took hella casualties and the one before that we had like 6 turns to set up now we’re pretty much hot dropping blind into a war zone to stave off a protracted siege of a planet

From a force that’s probably already entrenched in the territory we’re trying to take

[hardy saffron]

so it looks like ziyal has already fallen and most places on the planet are under attack. do we still push for crossroads?

[subtle light]

I think we should atleast push to crossroads

[halcyon peak]

do we wanna land at Elim then?

[inland sedge]

We could land at crossroads with everyone and once that’s secure make our way up to ziyal with the other 2 BGs that want to assist the city

[subtle light]

ye

whatever the BG commanders think is good we shall follow

[ashen wing]

Seems like we have some sparse data and intel eh

One of the plans was to land at ziyal, right?

If not there then crossroads?

[halcyon peak]

I cooked up a (provisional) map of the general strategic situation for when we enter the system based on what we have gotten from the recent scout data

[ashen wing]

It’s looking more and more likely, in my opinion, that landing at the crossroads and fortifying the village there is the best option

It could give us a chance to get a head start on fortifications, medical facilities, and since engineers can build airfields a rough logical centre

[junior remnant]

haydar or nerys?

thats a stupid question

its haydar right?

[ashen wing]

Is anyone else landing there?

Oh wait

Sorry, misunderstood

I’m not sure if any other groups are landing there. I’ll check real quick

Ultra will be pushing towards Haydar village from the Mines

Did I hear right that we secured transport to the surface?

[junior remnant]

unless i missed something, no

hold on lemme check tf2 and tf3 docs

[ashen wing]

Righto

I’m trying to catch up on everything since I wasn’t here yesterday

[tulip zephyr]

If we land at the Crossroads then we are going to have forces in both cities and any surrounding areas with access attacking us.
New rules are that any orbital is a priority target for anything with Range 2 firepower. We need a solid footing on the planet to evac citizens and bring in further waves of troops.

[ashen wing]

We have a GB landing at Elim city and are gonna be fighting towards Haydar

So our Northwest flask will be covered

[junior remnant]

Tf3 says that they don't have transport for infantry

[halcyon peak]

my main issue with landing at crossroads is that if we are pushed out of crossroads relatively early we dont have anywhere to go if theres still bots in the eastern direction (assumably) except for towards Elim, which may or may not still have many bots

[ashen wing]

Didn’t think so. We’ll likely end up going to a spaceport and marching our way to where we end up going

[ashen wing]

Given we have confirmation we have zero aerial transport we can’t land anywhere that doesn’t have a space port, which is a problem

Because that means we’ll have to March/convoy to where we go

Subjecting us to the risk of ambushes

If we had more light vehicles then that wouldn’t be too much of an issue. Still having vehicles in a column isn’t really ideal but at least we’d have the fire support of the IFV’s

[junior remnant]

Yeah we ain't getting any transport for sure

TF2 says that they are considering transporting BGs with 15-20 men

So like iron hammer and Pathfinder

[ashen wing]

We going full on 1700’s match. Who brought the drums and flutes?

[halcyon peak]

ah, in that case i do like the idea of pushing to crossroads, i am a little nervous about ambushes tho, id like to take any percautions possible

[ashen wing]

So any transport teams who aren’t fully committed to a GB are spoken for?

[junior remnant]

Yeah I think

[ashen wing]

My concern as well. Because we only have our three tanks for support. Arty would take too long to deploy

Our best bet if we end up marching there, which looks more and more likely, is have a couple three or four units take point ahead of us to act as an Assault Recon Team

[tulip zephyr]

Also, our Orbitals have pretty much voted to gut themselves to carry more stuff. I have visions of Jutland when the British found their cruisers exploding because they packed extra ammo and didn't close all the doors.

[ashen wing]

ART’s can scout ahead of us, engage the enemy or expose ambushes and give us a chance to engage accordingly

[ashen wing]

Fair enough

[ashen wing]

So maybe: three or four teams, supported with a couple tanks ahead of the main group

We don’t have a lot of support so I’d think smaller task forces within our GB could prove effective

That’s just me though

[junior remnant]

Split off into companies like this?

[ashen wing]

Something like that. If we can keep our movements small and hard to pin down then any possible resistance we face while on March to the crossroads will have to adjust to us, not us to them

Like a counter-ambush in a sense. If they get the drop on us, we’ll be able to drop on them

[halcyon peak]

i do like that, although i think having tanks up front seems like a recipe for a few units of hostile AT hitting them in the side and doing more damage/possibly being knocked out

[ashen wing]

But like I said this is just my thoughts, we all have equal ideas and such here

[junior remnant]

Just let venator and the other BGs go first

[ashen wing]

That’s true, which is why the ideal setup for an advance team would be two assault units, a medic and an engineer. And like I said it gives us a chance to adapt to them as well since as far as I can see we’ll be walking through very open terrain

Buut as I said I’m not trying to force the idea. It’s only one idea of many options we have given our situation

I don’t want anyone to feel like I’m forcing it of course

Oh, just to clarify because I realize I didn’t specify: in terms of the ART the infantry would be taking point with the tanks in the rear to support them at range with minimal exposer to enemy fire

[wary ermine]

This is gonna suck.

[junior remnant]

Just a quick question, are infantry able to use dig in when they are inside trenches?

[wary ermine]

Yes.

[ashen wing]

Makes sense

[junior remnant]

Ok thanks

[wary ermine]

The whole point of trenches is so infantry can move and stay dug in.

[ashen wing]

Oh big time. Several options and none of them are overly ideal. Only the best of the worst unfortunately

[junior remnant]

You medics are gonna be working overtime lol

[ashen wing]

Okay so far we have one idea: smaller assault teams to minimize potential casualties while in March.

Anyone else have ideas or suggestions so we can brainstorm the best options?

[halcyon peak]

yeah, although our engis will also be hard pressed with all our PAI

[ashen wing]

Oooh tell me about it 😩 good news is I’m a vet from two campaigns so I shall be composed

[junior remnant]

Yep

[ashen wing]

Stitch is a vet as well

I’m not sure about the others though

[halcyon peak]

this is gonna be my first campaign, im fully new

[junior remnant]

It's funny how I could've joined the earlier campaigns if I had bothered to watch the video shack posted about the meta campaign when it came out. It was stuck in my watch later for like a year after I saw it lol.

[ashen wing]

No worries, what’s your kit?

[ashen wing]

Haha fair enough but eh ya here now so here’s hoping you have fun

[junior remnant]

Yeah it's pretty exciting rn

[ashen wing]

Last campaign was stressful asf 😂

[topaz fable]

@compact briar Both cities have come under fire, would you like to decide on a deployment plan now or wait longer?

[halcyon peak]

i think just basic, i didnt buy anything before activating

[ashen wing]

Around 20 units KIA before we even landed

[junior remnant]

Yeah I saw on the garden of moor docs

[ashen wing]

Ah okay, so you won’t be able to fight back. You can heal and that’s it

[junior remnant]

The majority of casualties were from HATs being shot down

[topaz fable]

I was apart of that squad.... I watched it happen in real time....

[ashen wing]

Yeah, those of us who were in our HAT’s were LITERALLY freaking out 😂

[ashen wing]

That’s crazy. I was regretting being in a HAT

[topaz fable]

I was thr only one of the surviving infantry

[ashen wing]

I opted last night to hotdrop from a HAT with other units so my unit could heal the hotdroppers near the plant

[halcyon peak]

yup, i plan on trying to stick close to at least one inf/PAI unit at all times

[topaz fable]

Medic's cant heal PA, stick to an inf

[junior remnant]

I do feel like if the HAT roles a 6 it should be able to crash it in a controlled manner, allowing at least some of the units inside to survive.

[ashen wing]

That’s a good idea. I’ll be pushing with frontline forces since as a Combat Medic I can do my FS worth in damage

[ashen wing]

Wouldn’t be a bad idea if critical damage on the initial attack is avoided

[bitter valley]

Sees that my unit is listed in the 2nd company ... Yall Know what game scene I am thinking of

[junior remnant]

But the units inside should roll a d6 to see how much damage they take

That way you have at least some hope of surviving

[ashen wing]

Fair fair for sure. Hopefully that’ll be something consider down the line since Ngl I would hate to see my unit die in much a way

[junior remnant]

Yeah so anticlimactic

And a waste

[ashen wing]

We survived Haven against the bugs for crying out loud 😂 I don’t wanna go out on THAT kind of blazing glory 😂

[junior remnant]

The dice rolls should at least be skewed towards death, anything below a 3 means instant death, 4-5 means you lose half your fs or health, and a 6 means you lose like 2 fs or health.

[bitter valley]

So how do we heal then... Engineers or just don't?

[junior remnant]

Engineer

[ashen wing]

Could definitely see that being a good balance. You survive but you could still die horribly

[tawny cobalt]

Engineers can use repair action to heal 1 FS for 1 small supply
"Repair: Vehicle - Can remove a hit or fix a subsystem of a vehicle for 1 Supply"

[junior remnant]

Yeah and if you survive you get badly damaged

[ashen wing]

I meant to ask what the PAI is

[junior remnant]

Power armour infantry

[ashen wing]

They are new to me

[ashen wing]

Oooh okay, yeah we definitely wouldn’t be able to do anything about that

[tawny cobalt]

We could use my idea of logi trucking engis back to make hard points along our convoy i.e.

Move forward two turns, engi lays down defence to use up supply, others upgrade. Empty engi gets taken back and force moves forward, builds up again while waiting for a round trip from the logis

[ashen wing]

Once I’m done editing my videos I’m gonna mark down the idea I proposed early and write down other peoples so we can keep track and fill in others as they join the conversation

[ashen wing]

Like set up points of defence along the way to secure the root like mini COP’s? (Combat OutPosts)

[tawny cobalt]

Yessir, with engis leapfrogging each other and the rest just keeping pace

[junior remnant]

Maybe we can do like a convoy system, vehicles on the inside and infantry on the outside

I'll draw one up when I get home from school

[ashen wing]

Could mix well with what I was suggesting early with teams taking point to clear the way and expose enemy positions while engineers from your idea come up the near and secure what we clear out

What’s everyone thoughts on that?

[junior remnant]

Sounds good

[ashen wing]

Sounds like a plan

[junior remnant]

Are we doing this as we move from point to point?

Like from Elim to crossroads

[ashen wing]

That’s a possibility. Wait and see what the others think about it and what they suggest

[junior remnant]

Cause we are moving on the strategic map with our entire BG instead of the tactical map with individual units

I believe

[ashen wing]

True true, if that’s the case I’d say we will be doing it based on hard points most likely

[junior remnant]

My idea of the convoy system is for when we get ambushed while moving on the strategic map (if that's even possible) and have to fight on the tactical map

We have infantry on the outside and then vehicles on the inside

[ashen wing]

Pretty good idea there

Firing lines with the infantry and vehicles in support

[junior remnant]

I'll draw a more detailed one later

[ashen wing]

All good, take ya time

[junior remnant]

Also the inf protects the vehicle

[ashen wing]

I get ya, no worries

All around defence with overlapping fire

[tawny cobalt]

The leapfrogging engis/string of combat outposts was under the assumption we'd arrive at a map far from our intended operational area, and also assuming we need to protect a logi route long-term anyway

[ashen wing]

That seems pretty likely since we have only ground based logistics. The Engineers can build a crude airfield in the village but realistically we are gonna be depending on our trucks

[junior remnant]

Fair

[junior remnant]

Do you guys know where you get the unit pics or whatever it's called?

Like the mini top down images shown here

For ground units though

[inland sedge]

I like it but we have to be careful with our supply. We can’t send logi trucks outside our map because we need to stay together as a BG so realistically we only have the supply on hand until an orbital comes down to resupply us. I really only want to use 1 supply on sandbags and to dig in while I keep the rest to repair/heal the PAI and vehicles

[tough condor]

How are we looking?

Been busy moving

[tawny cobalt]

I was also assuming there'd be somewhere on map for us to source supply from 😅 good to know though thanks

[inland sedge]

I wish my plan is to hope we can use bot parts or things in the city to help supply us if anything is left that the bots didn’t take. And I want to try and steal some of their tech / tanks

[tawny cobalt]

so was the push for logi trucks just so that they can drop loaded up with initial supply? I thought they were needed for further supply runs

[inland sedge]

They have supply but can also transport us and if we have a resupply such as a FOB or a orbital that comes down with a large supply they can resupply from it and transport it back to the front lines

[meager comet]

More than likely if we drop far back best plan ( that I can see ) is split the pai up with the engines and run ahead while the tanks move with the remaining units and arty try and stay 2 ish tiles ahead if something makes contact with us we they break contact and we swing the bg to engage them

[compact briar]

Just for the record, I am not the BG commander. My job is to compile orders into a neat map. As a side job, I like to suggest courses of action.

As per ARMCO policy.

That being said.

With the new intel dump, I can think of two COAs.

Call it 2.5

Given that we are an extremely slow task force, but quite deadly once we actually get in combat:

Option 1: Go with Deployment Plan Blue. Accept that we're getting where we're going slow, set up in Elim City and focus on holding the starport and evaccing civilians.

Option 2: Modified Deployment Plan Yellow. Land in Elim City, then push by ground or air (depending on if other BGs with transport are able to help by that point) to the Crossroads or Haydar Village.

We can play offense or defense, depending.

Offensive option is a slow, steady advance with engineers dropping sandbags and infantry digging in as we go.

[ashen wing]

Brainstorming some ideas since it looks very likely we’ll be walking essentially to the Crossroads from a spaceport. Trying to figure out the best way to get there annnd counter any potential ambushes we encounter

[tawny cobalt]

since none of our engis have the equipment to make airfields, FOBs, or supply depots (yet), I'm starting to wonder if staying closer to a starport might keep us more effective for longer

[limber minnow]

@junior remnant What did you use to make this?

(I want to make one for STORM)

[halcyon peak]

I'm more in favor of heading towards crossroads, especially considering the fact that there will be a lot of groups that will be fighting in Elim we can serve a good purpose blocking more bots from coming in, but if we dont have good logistics we just cant fight. if we cant get air supply (Which is looking like the case) we should stay in elim

[tawny cobalt]

Maybe we could coordinate with another group with airfield making capabilities at some point to move us forward. so hypothetically stick near elim until flying shovels is free enough to help us set-up a supply line in crossroads or beyond

[tawny cobalt]

there's a watermark at the bottom left with a URL 🙂

[halcyon peak]

there is also the opportunity of trying to hold L-H to cut off bot movement from crossroads, which would mean that we would be much closer to supply

[junior remnant]

I didnt make it

But there is a url on the bottom left corner

That's probably what was used

[tawny cobalt]

hmm I see now HATs can just dump supply straight on to logi trucks, so maybe the airstrip/fob isn't as important as I thought but if we don't have a taskforce to bring us out would we have one to for logi drops?

[inland sedge]

i say we stay need the starport and set up and defend it so the others have a nice supply point and if we need to we can always reinforce another battle group later on

[limber minnow]

Ignore me being blind-

[subtle light]

I love this

[tender violet]

idk what BG's have already planned to hold at Elim but if were not able to land at crossroads or other areas and get transport to it early then it might be better to set up at Elim instead until we get transport to move up somewhere else. Transport for the BG's is kind of already, and is going to be even more, limited for the start and not everyone will get to drop, or go to places they want to be in, as soon as they want to. It might be best to hang back a bit and let others take point at the start since we lack movement and might want to stay closer to supply points if logistics looks like it may be a problem for us

[subtle light]

Tbf yeah we aren’t a fully motorized infantry unit, much more of a defensive unit

[meager comet]

I was in the movies what’s the run down on the intel we got?

[tulip zephyr]

I like Plan Blue to start. We can organize trenches and the Medics can set up to start evac of civilians in the area. If a couple of BG are located at Elim then we are certain that a FOB with a Medium Supply or a Large Supply will be located here. That means we should be reasonably supplied. The Artillery and Vehicles will be busy giving AA coverage as anything with Range 2 can fire on Orbitals. We will also be helping the local militia stabilize the situation. The engineers can fortify the area. Trenches in patches 3 hexes apart could serve as both check points and allow the Logitrucks to set up a shuttle service. Trucks move up 3 hexes carrying 4 PAI and 3 Engineers to offload. Then they run back while those units secure. Logitruck then grab 4 Infantry units to take over the position. Move those units up and pick up the forward group and leap frog then a further 3 hexes. Slow steady taking and securing ground.

[limpid mulch]

Is it possible to get a holding force to take the city over from storm blessed once the port is secured
we have essentially no heavy assets, and we are likely to take heavy casualties while the main forces land

[slow belfry]

I agree with Yellow. We need to push them back, and with most people going to be landing at Emil, we wont have to worry about taking the city. We can fight through and move on once enough has been secured.

[slow belfry]

Also this. If we can do this in conjunction with the armor from Venator, we can push through and clear a path for the other BG's

[junior remnant]

Plan yellow has my vote!

[limber minnow]

psst - make a poll, set it to like 72 hours.

[compact briar]

Good idea.

[meager comet]

I think we should drop at cross roads and prep to move into zival

[compact briar]

Just so we're clear, right now our only option is landing at Elim City.

We're going to have to unload at the starport.

[meager comet]

We don’t have an Orbi or a vtol to hot drop the pai?

[halcyon peak]

as far as I know we have no confirmed in atmosphere transport

[junior remnant]

Nope

On the bright side that means we won't eat absolute rocks when landing at the star port

[slow belfry]

However, once we secure Crossroads, we can try and coordinate with other BG's to push into Ziyal.

if we want to

[meager comet]

Tragic

[tender violet]

I don't think we can drop in crossroads at the start unless a taskforce can transport the entire battlegroup together, and I think a lot of the other BG's are already trying to get taskforces to drop them. We will probably have to arrive after the 1st turn in the starport of Elim and either stay there and defend or find some transport to push us up to crossroads

[junior remnant]

Or we could walk to crossroads, it's just slower

[slow belfry]

yeah, we are going to need to just walk. We have so many units

[tender violet]

thats true as well, I just feel like it would take too long to be worth it and might be risky depending on whether the inf in the group that cant fit into some form of vehicle is gonna move 1 tile a turn or risk rushing for 2 tiles a turn

thats assuming we have to move across the city map in order to reach the crossroads map at least, could take several turns before we reach the position let alone set up defenses for it

[slow belfry]

Lets put it this way. If our transport dies, everything in it dies. Its unironically safer to walk in this situation.

[slow belfry]

We dont want a repeat of C3 with the HAT and the Quad Auto Cannon Turrets xD

[ashen wing]

Just seeing HAT gives me C3 flashbacks! vietnam noises intensifies

[slow belfry]

it was.... unfortunate

i wasnt here for it, but i watched the video

it was a good lesson to the community. Be careful where you drop in

[ashen wing]

It was an ambitious plan for those who tried to do it

It may have not accomplished the desired results it did accomplish one thing: putting the fear of the divine into the rest of us 😂

Saints almost met our maker 🤣

[junior remnant]

heres a rough pic, can always be cleaned up more. The arty is not here as its attached to the trucks

[bitter valley]

So have we sorted how we are getting dirtside?

[junior remnant]

We are probably taking the NPC transports to the starport in Elim

[glass walrus]

Whenever i hear C3 i get edge of tomorrow flashbacks

https://tenor.com/view/ponste50-gif-21292458

Best i could say is at least PAI could bargain with DMs saying we have a chance if we jump off the transport but it would still have casualties

[compact briar]

We are definitely landing with the NPC transports.

So no matter what, we are landing in Elim Starport.

Maybe once we're dirtside we can get some transport from other groups that aren't using theirs, but I wouldn't count on it.

[tawny cobalt]

I agree and like a lot of this, also doing this won't even slow us down from getting to further maps all that much I think. Some infantry will have to be moving slow, meaning a more mobile group using our logi trucks can try to set up defences ahead of the main convoy so we don't get slowed during construction

[stone igloo]

Our time table is NPC arrival at round 5 😢

[subtle light]

OC you put the two beepr infantry units next to eachother hehe

[hardy saffron]

NPC arrival at round 5 is brutal

[meager comet]

You forgot me 🥺

[hardy saffron]

interestingly enough, it kind of looks like most battlegroups are gonna be landing at the NPC star port besides 2 that are also landing at elim. there is going to be some serious crowding down there

[slow belfry]

Hey so im new here, how long is it between rounds?

[stone igloo]

About a week. Although they're saying that may just be for task forces

[stone igloo]

Who u

[slow belfry]

landing at the end of july? Guess we get to fight on my birthday lol

[rose ocean]

No no no

It’s two rounds a week this time

[slow belfry]

god, the logistics of landing troops is insane. Who's dropping first?

[rose ocean]

And orbital only turns seem like they might operate differently as well. I haven’t confirmed anything yet though

[slow belfry]

oh thank the great and honorable caffeen god

[meager comet]

Badger-1

[spice marlin]

Glad to see a couple more medics joined the group. Looked like we weren't going to have much medical support for a bit there

[tawny cobalt]

Think it looks great, nice work. But I wonder if it'd possibly be more helpful in letting us quickly split up if you mixed the forces. E.g. 2 inf 1 PAI 1 engi 1 medic for 'Rifle company one', then different composition for the arty company but still mixed like 3 arty 2 logi 1 engi

I can see why inf would be favored in defensive companies and PAI in offensive ones, but having some leeway to do either task can help deal with unforeseen circumstances

[meager comet]

There is leeway people just set up t&o’s like that to keep units organized at a glance dosent mean the units can’t work with each other

[tawny cobalt]

Fair, though to be honest our Google sheet roster is pretty handy for that and has number totals instead of just being pictorial

[tawny cobalt]

Is that including the rounds of movement from Lussan gate?

[strong kettle]

Honestly? Pictures help me visualize so I appreciate it.

[stone igloo]

Mechanically, the PAI spread their damage to each other instead of it being concentrated on one unit. So they should stay together. I see no problems making a combined companies. A standard template could be three PAI and one Engi to make three PAI Companies, three Inf with a Medic to make make four Infantry Battalions, although Stich at the very least should remain flexible given they're our most advanced Medic.

[stone igloo]

Yes!

[ashen wing]

So just a heads up, may not be super active or helpful today guys. Didn’t sleep well and I woke up feeling like absolute trash. Ironic that the medic needs a medic

[stone igloo]

Sorry must've split through the cracks 😅

[ashen wing]

I’ll read chat as I can to try and keep up though

[slow belfry]

Found this in Meta-Comm

and our scouts never made it to Ziyal, so we dont know the situation other than "It was hit first and hard". Im going to assume its been taken.

[rose ocean]

No one has any hope of making it to Ziyal right now. We will have to fight hard for crossroads and the two villages as is. Unfortunately we were too late and Ziyal seems like a lost cause

I doubt anyone there is still alive anyways

[slow belfry]

Yeah, i assumed we abandoned the Ziyal idea

[remote lotus]

If we go plan Blue we can fortify Elim to hell and back and keep a good back up position for the other and even if we advance after our fortification will stay.

If we go plan Yellow we can push Crossroad pretty well. Building to building, road to road fight where you never need more than 1 range and where we can get entrenched everywhere works to our strenght.

[stone igloo]

Venator is still going to try and push into Crossroads. They'll need infantry support.

[slow belfry]

I think we should push crossroads. We can talk to Venator and see what they are thinking, cause that armor would be nice

[meager comet]

Thank you love you

[royal heath]

Pathfinder is also looking to push through Crossroads alongside a larger BG, with an eye towards securing Nerys village

[tawny cobalt]

Sorry if I'm missing anything or chatting too much, but it seems to me like we don't have a choice but to march through Elim, so going to crossroads and fortifying Elim don't seem to be mutually exclusive; Elim has to be step 1 regardless

[slow belfry]

Fortifying Elim would mean staying there. We want to move through Elim (We can clear it as we move) and head out to Crossroads where we can be the wall that the sea of bots crash against, whilst giving the Civies in Elim some breathing room. Its also the only place that everyone can launch from to strike out at all of the other positions. Securing it will be a big deal, and full of glory.

Also, maybe we should designate someone to coordinate with the other BGs? Unless TACCOMM already does that.

[sterile venture]

At least we wont be dropping in without some intel this time

[tulip zephyr]

"Securing it will be a big deal, and full of glory." Not sure on you but I signed on to help build a defended position as part of the whole force. I hope we do that wherever it is needed. I'm not looking to charge forward in some silly rush for a nebulous thing called 'glory'. Glory doesn't spend and costs way too many bodies. Let the PR folks make a news reel and you will get plenty of 'glory'.

[slow belfry]

the glory thing was an rp joke btw

[sterile venture]

Honestly in my opinion, at this point our current knowledge on the ground situation is nebulous at best, while I do feel like eventually making a defence line around cross road to try and keep the bots as far away as possible so ships don't get hit, the situation might make this impossible if the city is under siege or the ground is heavily contested

[slow belfry]

Im going to be completely honest here. I think that all of the BGs need to coordinate with each other so that we know what we have the leeway of doing.

yeah, we are just going to be going around in circles until we have maps and can coordinate with the other BGs

[tulip zephyr]

RP is all good 👍. I actually think that given the current logistics for delivery of our BG to the ground. We, like all the other BG, are going to land in this Cluster F. And try to sort it out on the ground. Hmm, like this has never happened before in the history of military and civilian operations. 😂

[slow belfry]

i think there might be a few wikipedia pages dedicated to that xD

[tawny cobalt]

Can anyone confirm if it would even be possible to travel straight to crossroads or anywhere beyond Elim without going through the Elim tactical map?

A lot of what I've said has been assuming we're marching through multiple tac maps to get where we wanna go

[slow belfry]

if we had a TF that could transport us

[tawny cobalt]

Which seems very unlikely at this point best I can tell

[slow belfry]

yes

Its also techncially possible to fly there in air transports by coordinating with another BG (If there is enough space) but the downside to that is if they have AA and we get too close, anyone in a transport when it gets shot down is a goner.

this is after landing at Elim tho

[tawny cobalt]

So based on this, turn 4 ODTs will drop in and engage the enemy in Elim and will likely still be fighting when we roll in turn 5. Even if our goal is crossroads direction, we may as well be useful on our way walking through Elim tactical map.

Some have pointed out my idea of moving engineers ahead to build hard points without delaying the convoy is unnecessarily risky for the logi and engis, so instead I propose that while the bulk of our forces march through and clear Elim (with the goal of walking towards the other maps) an engi/logi team can stay behind at the starport to build up. After 2-3 rounds of marching and building, the logi truck would be able to catch up the 2 engis to the rest of the convoy and we'd still make it in to next map at our maximum possible speed while also helping leave behind defences (and/or civvie aid station) for Elim. Also hopefully the engis could resupply at the star port and we would still be near maximum effectiveness for subsequent maps

[hardy saffron]

i’m with this plan, it’s definitely our best move

[inland sedge]

I like it I’ll stay with the PAI and act as a medic

[raven flicker]

i love how things have been popin off

[subtle light]

We shall go where command thinks we are needed most in the defense of this world

[topaz fable]

BG's / TF's all need to stay together. I don't think they would allow us to split up.

[inland sedge]

Not split up but move up on the tactical map. And once we are all set all move out as a BG to the next map in that formation as a regular advance to try and avoid ambushes

[junior remnant]

Oh hey you used my convoy idea!

[tawny cobalt]

Right, I'm assuming we'd all be on the same tactical map (mandatorily at Elim best I can understand) and would regroup to leave it at the same time. My point is that, since we're limited by our slowest units, we will have time to build up a tiny bit and resupply without delaying our departure from Elim with the plan I outlined. I.e. we'll be separated on the tactical map for just a couple rounds and will regroup prior to moving on the strategic map; at least that's how I see it playing out with my limited knowledge and lack of experience

Here's one assumption that, if wrong, would make my point moot. Do we need to get to a tactical map edge to move on the strategic map? I was kind of assuming that's how it'd work on a contested tactical map, and if that's the case then we can use logi trucks to catch up anyone who falls behind in order to build up a tiny bit without being delayed

[stone igloo]

We probably come onto the tactical map based on the orientation of the strategic map, yeah. I assume the GM (Dresden?) will handwave us moving unless we come into contact with an enemy. We would use the convoy-esque deployment model as our headcannon in this time.

[kindred flower]

Hi Redwall, question out of curiosity: Where do you guys plan to go?

[tawny cobalt]

Not speaking for anyone but summarizing what I've seen: seems we generally want to get to and defend crossroads but don't have transport, and are discussing ways of making it there from Elim and what we'd do on the way if anything

[kindred flower]

Okay, aren't you transported by Atlas?

[tawny cobalt]

Seems that may have fallen through based on Martels comments I'm replying to

[kindred flower]

Ah, well that sucks. At least DF and Redwall will arrive at the same time then. ^^

[halcyon peak]

we're having a poll on where we want to go

AFAIK

[compact briar]

The NPC transports were always the default.

[tawny cobalt]

True but even if that poll continues to be heavily in favor of crossroads, our taccom said we have to start out by making landfall in Elim then move where we want to go from there. The only thing that's not been clarified is if we'll be required to interact with the Elim tactical map or if we'll be moving straight towards somewhere on the strategic map, and I think a lot of the debate has been assuming opposites for that

[compact briar]

It was TF/HAT transport we were trying to get.

[compact briar]

#1382044295007310006 message

Once again linking the poll.

Right now, we are riding down to Elim City starport in the Main Body.

The question is whether we defend Elim or immediately begin marching for the Crossroads.

See the linked poll to cast your vote.

[tawny cobalt]

would you be able to clarify if we'd still be on elim tactical map when we land if we choose to immediately march for crossroads?

[compact briar]

That is a very good question.

[hardy saffron]

i just think there won’t be much for us to do at elim city

it’s not like there’s gonna be armco retreats back to our line we don’t really tend to retreat from things lmao

i really like the voting idea though gives the battle group more of a democratic feeling

[tawny cobalt]

From #midround-events
"The [enemy] ship hasn't noticed our scouts. Descending to the city of Elim. Its largest structure in the center. A starport with docking clamps seems intact but flashes near the city streets below indicate a firefight. The city is currently being assaulted by a detachment of orbital drop forces. Likely a forward operating group. Not large enough for a main force."
^gives me a feeling our landing and travels may be harried/we may need to push through some scattered forces to get out of Elim. What do you guys expect, could the SF have taken care of it already I suppose?

[subtle light]

maybe personally I think crossroads would be a good place to hold out and we can always fall back to elim if worst comes to worst

[tulip zephyr]

It looks like the data dump is showing a harassment firefight. Civilians won't be able to wander the streets and logistics won't flow until the bots are cleared from the map. Looks like a sacrificial spoiler attack to bog down forces and give the bots more time to dig into other areas. From the sound of how scattered the bots have deployed, they have gone for the kind of strategy that we proposed. A bold grab of all territory to give time for reinforcements to get into position. Basically, we're going to need shovels and hand grenades to dig them out. I would suggest that the PAI will be best suited to this mission. Their armour will likely allow them to go toe-to-toe with what the bots have currently in the city and mop them up.

[junior remnant]

Yeah, both routes to Elim are covered by BGs already so Elim is pretty safe besides the air routes. As much as I want to live through the campaign I do wanna fight 😅

[hardy saffron]

exactly the prodigal sons have seen close combat on every mission so far and i’m not about to stop now

[meager comet]

^

[tawny cobalt]

Personally I voted for moving to crossroads, but how I interpreted the intel drop, and since we have to move on foot from Elim city, I just think it'd be wise to plan for the possibility that we have to do some light skirmishing to get on our way to crossroads (and if that's the case I have some ideas for how to use my engi time efficiently)

[subtle light]

agreed.

[wispy moon]

Would you guys be interested in another IFV?

[subtle light]

I think that would be helpful given alot of our infantry doesnt have fast transport (feel free to transport us as long as you dont mind a little extra weight due to us being synthetics heh)

would probs need to ask dar

[compact briar]

Yes we would

[wispy moon]

Unfortunately, I've gone ahead and joined Phalanx, as they claimed a pressing need for IFV's. I wish you gentlemen luck.

[compact briar]

Same to you.

[stone igloo]

As long as Martel is good, we'll take anyone!

[compact briar]

At this point we'll take anyone.

[hardy saffron]

hey guys, if we make it to crossroads and take it (we will we are based) and dwarf fortress and other move along the mines and the sides, how do we feel about assaulting ziyal?

just run it down mid

[inland sedge]

I feel like we should coordinate with the other battle groups that wanted to take ziyal after we secure the airfield to assault the city and try to evacuate or rescue anyone left

[junior remnant]

Yes

[rose ocean]

Idk if it’s a wise decisions. You’ll run into heavy emplacements and numbers. Ultimately it’s a survival mission and the more civilians we can rescue the better but we need to make sure we can hold the planet still

[halcyon peak]

if we have ziyal surrounded an attack on it could be a good idea, but personally i think holding crossroads is pretty important

[hardy saffron]

agreed that we can’t lose crossroads

i’m of the opinion that if we take crossroads it feels very likely that we will quickly be under heavy attack

[compact briar]

Depends on how heavy the enemy assaults our position.

If we're not getting stuck in, we can move to the next objective up.

Ideally, we set up in Ziyal City and hold.

More likely, we stay in the Crossroads.

[tawny cobalt]

one thing I'm curious about, do any other BGs have a civie aid station? I wonder where Wolfe plans to drop it

[compact briar]

The thing about our battlegroup is that we are slow but we will hit incredibly hard whenever we do show up.

Even on the attack.

[prime vessel]

I'm honestly not to sure. Once we properly hunker down somewhere, I'll probably place it smack dab in our defensive zone. But kinda a case of wait and see how it looks on the ground in regards to positioning. It'll be wherever we end up, since supplying it does help its effects. Though the Civilian Aid Station is mainly for assisting locals with basic needs, so food, water, blankets, etc. So not particularly suitable for evacing.

Also as far as I'm aware, I'm the only Medical Corps with the upgrade (May be the only Medical Corp atm, but apparently theres a second in Flying Shovels. No idea who. - Looking at the Medical Dashboard in the Logisical Hub anyway)

Wolfie's Casualty Collection Point in that regards serves as a far better point for evacing civilians, since its what it's designed for. I can pick up some slack with the Field Hospital since it also has free VTOL landing, but the CCP I imagine will be our primary method / point for Civie evac.

[stone igloo]

I think that practically Ziyal is going to be to hot to access. However, I don't think Shack would've added it as a mission objective it it wasn't attemptable.

There were already two BGs set to hold the Crossroads and I think Venator and Spearhead are going to need Infantry Support if any meaningful operation is going to be held in Ziyal. My vote is to push with Venator and Spearhead if its feasible.

[tawny cobalt]

dang that's pretty awesome, I like the sound of having such a big impact on the civies for a civie rescue mission. Based on what you said, does that mean it'd make sense to have the civie aid station one strategic map away from the fighting, and the CCP closer to the fighting where we're actively rescuing the civies? Were you planning on using both?

[topaz fable]

Current BG Status

3 Arty
6 Engineer
4 Medic
3 Logi
2 MBT
13 Infantry
9 PA

Total: 40

[compact briar]

Looking at the equipment list, 3 of our units have melee weapons.

This will actually be rather useful for trench/urban warfare.

[topaz fable]

I agree

1 PA Melee, and 2 Inf Melee

We also had a new engineer join with carry rigs

[limber minnow]

Omnidirectional instead of directional?

Interesting...

[junior remnant]

Protection from all sides

The logi trucks are essential

Also this is convoy not defense

The defense layout I'll leave to those more qualified

[limber minnow]

True. STORM has a directional travel plan, mostly because we have so many support units that an omnidirectional one would be spread way too thin.

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Redwall seems so quiet-

[junior remnant]

Yeah it looks like everyone in redwall is from the northern hemisphere lol

[obtuse charm]

did i get kidnapped to the northern hemisphere again

[vague drum]

Is ziyal city fallen?

[junior remnant]

Likely though we are unsure

[stone igloo]

We don't know 100%. However, the Midround post indicates a heavy enemy presence.

[compact briar]

Well boys, hurry up and wait.

Benefit of someone else going in the sausage grinder first is that we'll be able to fine-tune our plans before we actually go through the gate.

[bitter valley]

We have an approx drop date at this stage for this motley crew Martel?

[last narwhal]

Begins tying parachutes to my spg push me out the airlock whenever

[compact briar]

Whenever the Main body shows up.

Probaly turn 3

[bitter valley]

Im surprised you have not made either a bucket shaped chute, a bucket shaped balloon, or a bucket shaped drop pod

[bitter valley]

So sometime next week or the week after?

[compact briar]

Probably

[stone igloo]

At least we're doing two rounds a week and aren't going to have to wait long

[bitter valley]

True. And I'm not super upset about getting some more solid intel and info on enemy deployments, capabilities, and strategies

[topaz fable]

I will update the focument to reflect our current operational objective. I'm working right now so if someone could summarize the game plan or our current course of action that'd be very helpful

[compact briar]

Current operational objective is Crossroads.

[tawny cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo2-finishing-this-fight-master-chief-gif-18176522

[last narwhal]

These are ideas im ashamed i had not thought of!

[last narwhal]

This also works, land my spg inside an enemy ship and ill provide arty support through their important bits

[tawny cobalt]

I was trying to find the one where he blows himself out of an airlock and guides a mine through space in to a covenant ship 😄

[tawny cobalt]

Personally I hope we prioritize the civie aid station and CCP too. Maybe even leave the civvie aid station behind in Elim for longer term aid if Wolfe agrees, and CCP in crossroads

Wolfe where ever you put those I'd be happy to help with sandbag walls or trenches where appropriate

[slow belfry]

The first turn is Sunday, yeah?

[compact briar]

Proposal for the battlegroup: it has been suggested that we start numbering the battlegroups for "professionalism"

Based on our composition, we could probably get away with calling ourselves an Armored Infantry Regiment.

My suggestion is 22nd Infantry Regiment "Redwall"

[last narwhal]

This is armco, i reject any notions of professionalism

[slow belfry]

We are battlegroup 5

That is all

[topaz fable]

How come the 22nd?

I kinda like the name
22nd Armored Infantry Regument "Redwall"

[compact briar]

22 books in the Redwall series

[topaz fable]

I see

Battle Group Document has been updated

[hardy saffron]

Yo heater reason to be the 22nd

[stone igloo]

Confrimed Update: Redwall will be exiting the gate T3 on the Automated Freighters and then make landfall T5ish as long as the path has been cleared. We'll accompany Venator and Spearhead to Crossroads. We can go from there.

[prime vessel]

Roger Dodger

[limber minnow]

T3 you guys get through the gate.
Maybe T4-6 you guys make landfall.

[topaz fable]

This is fire btw

[meager comet]

Tides break on the wall would be better imo

Still 🔥tho

[sour aspen]

MBT Iron Casings signing on to Redwall

[topaz fable]

Welcome to the club

[topaz fable]

Check the pins, add your name to the doc

Read the doc

Arm yourself with knowledge

[sour aspen]

Pins of which channel? Doesn't look like the thread has pins, or the parent channel

[topaz fable]

This thread

[halcyon peak]

this is our signup sheet, its also pinned in the thread

[limber minnow]

@vague pewter I have BG6 - SPEAR claiming that you guys will be following up with a FOB and an Airfield. How are you accomplishing this???

(I'm really confused-)
#1382048208192274462 message

Because if you aren't, their fighters are kinda toast.

[bitter valley]

Heads up, you just pinged a random dude not this channel

[limber minnow]

Eh? "Redwall" is listed as REDWALL TCO?-

[bitter valley]

@compact briar see above??

[limber minnow]

... I swear to Zeus, if you guys don't have a TCO-

Wait, then why isn't Martel's name on the document? Redwall is the one that's on the Logi Hub doc.

[bitter valley]

Ok I think we have some terms mixed up here. what exactly does TCO stand for

[limber minnow]

TACCOM.

Or, in full, "Tactical Communications Officer".

[bitter valley]

well according to the sheet I am looking at (the one pinned here. Martel is primary and Trench is backup

[limber minnow]

Well, someone better update the Logi Hub-

[junior remnant]

bro where did they get that idea from?

[limber minnow]

I don't know-

[compact briar]

We are in talks with Flying Shovel and the 212th to do an airdrop on Crossroads to establish a temporary airfield.

Joint operation.

[junior remnant]

ah

[ashen wing]

Afternoon Redwall! How we doing?

[limber minnow]

Not Redwall, but I've been fixing a logistics SNAFU for the last 2 hours-

[glass spoke]

Y’all are all ground units anyway, right?

[ashen wing]

???

Oh like you aren’t with this BG

Gotcha

Yeah, we’re a logistical nightmare

I was addressing the whole chat as it was anyway

[burnt knoll]

Why do you say temporary airfield? I have the full on AF kit

[limber minnow]

STORM!

Your TTT Ratio actually looks fine. A bit ENGI heavy (I think you could cut 1), but overall should be good. (Maybe a few more logitrucks, but it's always screwed).

[meager comet]

To be fair we are not a logistical nightmare we can supply our front line with what we have for the most part everyone other by on the other hand

[ashen wing]

Hey beards, should have guessed I’d see you at some point trying to help with this disaster 😂

[burnt knoll]

Lol I am just reading up on what everyone was talking the last 6h 😂
But what do you mean by disaster?

[meager comet]

All our bg is reliant on is how we are getting supply to ground either through npc freighters or that space elevator

[ashen wing]

@meager comet @limber minnow I was more referring to our logistical transports for how much weee gonna consume potentially with such limited logi’s. Unless something changed recently

‘Cause last I checked we only had two trucks. But I’ve been MIA for a couple days

[burnt knoll]

Did you lose your 3 logi trucks? Bc the coordinated airdrop should help you out quite a bit

[limber minnow]

Your max supply consumption of SS is 10 a turn, assuming everyone is doing something. I think you're good for at least 6 rounds (64 SS equivalent).

[meager comet]

Well it depends on how much the inf get hit and take damage but we should be good worse case we have an inf fall back a turn from the front line to wait to repair

[limber minnow]

(I mean, technically, you could consume ~16SS per round, but why your ENGIs are building sandbags on sandbags... that's probably throwing.)

[ashen wing]

Yeah, I dunno. I had a bunch of crap to deal with irl so I’m trying to catch up on everything

[compact briar]

Misread of the upgrade name

Or possibly an older version

[ashen wing]

Plus what our medics are gonna need since we all have different loadouts that require supplies. Like I said I’m a little behind so things could have changed

[meager comet]

are we sure that engis building sandbgs on the front line is worth on regular inf can occupy

[ashen wing]

I’m an outdated wolfie needing an update 😂

[burnt knoll]

Just asking bc there is a temporary airfield upgrade on which rugged T can land. So was a little bit confused 😅

[meager comet]

plus it looks like we have enough buildings anyways that all the inf can occupy in a line

[limber minnow]

The 10 max includes your medics.

Unless I miscounted, which is possible.

[compact briar]

PAI cannot dig in on their own, but they can make use of trenches.

[ashen wing]

To be fair it’s more a base assumption. How much we really use will depend how heavy the fighting gets since most of us medics can only carry 4 kits at a time. And since we only have four or so medics for infantry company the ratio isn’t great

[limber minnow]

Depends how you interpret RAW... hopefully Shack supports that interpretation.

[limber minnow]

3 INF for 1 Medic isn't actually that bad.

Remember PAI are healed via ENGI, now.

[meager comet]

i thought he said they couldnt get the defense bonus from trenches only from buildings like a week ago i could be wrong though

[ashen wing]

True, which does help. But medics have to heal engineers and frontliners.
If the ratio is 3 for every one that’s three kits spent. And we can only heal one at a time since healing is our primary action. Which will put a little bit of strain on the front

[burnt knoll]

Last I checked you have 3 trucks so the airdrop could help you out. Each can hold 12 supplies (=36 supplies). You have 6 engineers each needing 4 supplies (=24). Sounds like the engineers can constantly resupplied by airdrops if it’s needed

[limber minnow]

STORM is about the same ratio as you guys, so...

[ashen wing]

That sounds perfect honestly. Last time we only had two so the addition of a third is a actually great

Sounds like the logistics are sorted out proper. Earlier conversations we were pretty concerned about it. Me and one other person floated the idea of a crude airfield in the Crossroads

[limber minnow]

Shovels is implementing a proper airfield there.

[burnt knoll]

Yeah plus your 4 medics resupply completely with just one small supply. Plus artillery using one supply for bombardment. So consumption per two turns would be 26 small supply

[ashen wing]

That works then. Last Op I was one we had a pretty good balance so this level of infantry was concerning for me

[ashen wing]

Oh perfect then

[ashen wing]

True. Having to manage supplies is new for us medics so I actually forgot we only need one supply

I knew the arty needed it but I forgot about medics

[limber minnow]

Although ARMCO as a whole has fewer medics IIRC.

STORM might actually be understaffed.

[burnt knoll]

I like juggling those numbers. Gives even more motivation for building the airfield

[ashen wing]

Oh big time. It’s funny because even IRL the medic to soldier ratio is horrible

In Canada we try to have at least two medics per platoon but we only have one realistically, so every soldier is trained in advanced first aid so I guess ARMCO brought that issue with us 😂

[ashen wing]

True true

Catch up with y’all’s later

Not quite done for the day but wanted to catch up and get an update on the plan

[limber minnow]

Reg Force or Reserves?

Oop. Bye!

[ashen wing]

Regs. Not many reserve bases have medical support career options

[limber minnow]

Clarify, I meant are you in military, and if so, which branch?

[ashen wing]

Oh fair enough. I’m studying for it. Had to change careers paths for something more financially stable for the time being. I was originally studying to be a medical technician (combat medic)

In Canada our medical technicians aren’t specific to a branch. They cover all three branches

[limber minnow]

Considered that at one point, I'm (trying to) go into civvie medicine instead.

(Yup. The side effects of unification and then dividing. Also means you see people with medals/awards for different branches.)

[ashen wing]

Eh medical is important all around so good on ya bud

[inland sedge]

Do you want me to add you to the sign up sheet? And did you active you unit? Your not listed under the excel sheet

[noble vigil]

Shalom from The Storm Blessed⚡ and Tremor🌋!
Been quite focused on Operation "Free the Starport". What are y'all about?

[topaz fable]

I will refer you to our signup doc which has battlegroups main strategy

this is a cute little easter egg

[noble vigil]

Sounds good, I'll do that!
Trying to get an understanding of the "middle BGs" (4 through 10)

[junior remnant]

It's all thanks to the sacrifice of @darman501 who swapped to logi for our sake.

[ashen wing]

Oh perfect

We should be okay then

Some of the others I was talking to explained some things and we seem to be pretty good now

So now we can save some of our panic reserves for when we get planetside 😂

[subtle light]

Can’t wait for our transport to be shot down on route

https://tenor.com/view/good-thing-bugs-cant-aim-gif-24668528

[limber minnow]

That's more of STORM'S concern. We've probably finished shooting the AA by the time you guys are here, or we are already dead.

[junior remnant]

I can't wait for one of the squads in a vtol to say that line and immediately get blown to smithereens by all 10 of the bots AA pieces

[limber minnow]

RAW, the bots need at least 21 AA firing at once to kill a single unit.

[stone igloo]

If we got one more MBT, one more logi, and one more engi. We could have three full Battalions.

[meager comet]

I think it’s to late at this point I doubt we’re gonna get anyone at this point

Unless you want to steal the 212th guys

[glass spoke]

We don’t actually have any of those units, lol

(Not yet at least)

[burnt knoll]

Might wanna give Prairie Dogs a ping their truck unit isn't activated yet

[stone igloo]

@tulip zephyr ?

[burnt knoll]

Jup

[tribal goblet]

well, I think I can grab you that MBT.

Cirrus Reporting.

[junior remnant]

Welcome to Redwall! Just sit back and relax for now, let Storm do all the heavy lifting for the first couple of turns

[topaz fable]

two mroe MBT's

@tribal goblet @sour aspen
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14kVqIlzZrS20ujiwTEgDtFoFpj7QRw98iSxI9nf3rDo/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Add your name to our signup sheet when you get a chance. If you aren't able let us now and someone can do it for you. You can always find this document in the pins on this thread.