Battlegroup 4/10 - Dwarf Fortress & Merchants: Comms

[warm hazel]

And another buddy is thinking infantry but I might bully him into getting a truck

[brazen helm]

https://tenor.com/vWRTncC5rZ6.gif

[warm hazel]

Truck sweep

[queen tendon]

We have so much arty

[astral nymph]

Maginot Line 4067 or whatever

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/truck-crash-rhyme-gif-1582731065078919726

[silent glade]

https://tenor.com/view/dump-truck-haul-truck-mining-truck-big-truck-large-gif-5449760181755300102

we need some of these bad bois

[modest pagoda]

Fr

[silent glade]

we going to a mine after all

[astral nymph]

FOXBAT Welcome!

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/truck-truck-pslavi-cybrtrk-pslavi-hogdexter-gif-19818067

This is what we need

[warm hazel]

Wait

Might have another

[modest pagoda]

Awesome

[warm hazel]

It's all coming together

[soft bloom]

Hi again

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[warm hazel]

They are

[brazen helm]

3 K!!!!

[modest pagoda]

Awye!

1000 more than victorum who has the second most messages lmao

[brazen helm]

#1382037040438181950 is looking to make some logi orbitals

[modest pagoda]

Yee i saw that

Lets gooo

[queen tendon]

Finally

[astral nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-give-up-it-to-gif-19321408

Do whatever you want

[queen tendon]

Whatever I want eh?

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/lelouch-vi-britannia-code-geass-gif-25097717

[soft bloom]

And with that I go to sleep. Can't wait to wake up to chaos in 8 hours

[modest pagoda]

Give me TG

TF

[warm hazel]

Oh I had an important question

[astral nymph]

And i'm live, somehow. GOD we need logistics.

Chrono, your pickaxe is cute

[warm hazel]

@astral nymph thoughts on wall flower part 1?

[astral nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/kyo-kaneko-kyo-kaneko-hanya-kyo-kaneko-cute-kyo-kaneko-tilt-head-kyo-tilt-head-gif-13560185064659011828

[warm hazel]

Glad ya think so. Thought it would fit. Was thinking of using the masterwork icon too

[warm hazel]

Oh it's the first lancer adventure

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-confused-question-mark-neuro-klef-gif-15232759065116895197

[warm hazel]

Thought you might have played it was all

[modest pagoda]

Ah

[astral nymph]

Oh I've never played or read it though I am playing a litch right now. I think thats in that book

[warm hazel]

Oh I am stealing that

Drink deep!

[brazen helm]

alright it seems TF2 has bought another BC

[modest pagoda]

Ooh shii

[warm hazel]

Oh lordy two BC

[astral nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/farewell-to-space-battleship-yamato-anime-water-sakuga-gif-17566749867359261650

[queen tendon]

I’ll start working on it in a few days. Need more info beforehand

[modest pagoda]

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https://tenor.com/view/takao-arpeggio-of-blue-steel-gif-13375405538262076827

[warm hazel]

Can't wait to blow all the req from this on a big silly ship

[astral nymph]

Oh is that second Task Force ,Fluffle? The one working with Bunny... Neat. Well hopefully they grab us the airfield 😄

[warm hazel]

Maybe cover it with mechs

[modest pagoda]

Frfr

[brazen helm]

im not sure tf2 is working with bunny

tabby wanted to but it seems tf2 is doing their own thing

[modest pagoda]

Pog

[minor solar]

If a BC is 2 Req and if I survive i get 5 Req, then math says i can buy PAI and a BC in one go, hmmm... Interesting.

[modest pagoda]

Shiii

Can orbitals be in BGs?

[brazen helm]

nope :p

[astral nymph]

Oh we got another VTOL other then Foxbat too neat.

No, task force only

[modest pagoda]

Dang

That would've been nice if a bg could have like one orbital for a flagship

[minor solar]

I would be honoured to haul future BGs

[modest pagoda]

Me too fr

If i get 5 req

Im going to make sure the Ships full of dwarves

[brazen helm]

next campaign im waiting at least 24 hours after announcment before i spend my points

[modest pagoda]

I'll become the Interplanetary Mining Corporation

The one from Deep rock

[minor solar]

(BC is the top ship) imma put a big ass gun on my BC and possibly Missilepods and hangars and some others. Literally a UNSC ship

[brazen helm]

i dont know if its the paintjob but all the hw3 ships look the exact same to me

[queen tendon]

"You know what. Fuck it. You can totally land orbitals in your orbital. DOesn't break anything.
People want to attach an orbital to a battlegroup go for it. Should be ""interesting""
Leashed to a ground force. I could kinda see it for some kind of armored dropship / base of operations thing. But it get strange fast"

From shack: #meta-comm message

[minor solar]

I like the Incarnate cause the resemble the Saajuk dreadnought one gets in HW2s final mission

[queen tendon]

I had to check the rules clarification doc for that one

[astral nymph]

That is what I was going to do as a mobile FOB, so cool that its allowed.

[warm hazel]

Gonna need to buy a ton of atmo fuel

[brazen helm]

les go

[warm hazel]

But that sounds amazing

[astral nymph]

@fading dune Don't forget to sign up buddy friendo :3

[warm hazel]

You can pay to add atmo fuel to a battleship

[fervent sage]

Y’all got room for a VTOL?

[queen tendon]

He did mention that a few messages down lmao

[warm hazel]

Literally lower a massive chunk of metal into the sky

[queen tendon]

“Just remember your limited on fuel.”

[warm hazel]

Only purpose is to block artillery

[queen tendon]

Of course

[warm hazel]

Just 'land' it on an enemy base to destroy it. Like, what would it take to fix the bottom of the craft at most

[winged dawn]

wonder if we can use boarded ships as "Kinetic" armaments

[queen tendon]

No

No orbital ramming

Lmao

[winged dawn]

awhhh

[warm hazel]

I mean, blow it up and let it crash on top of them if it is a boarded ship

Need a spec ops team with timed bombs tho

[fervent sage]

Sweet time to remember how to sign up for campaigns XD

[warm hazel]

And a wing suit to fly out

[winged dawn]

yeah i remember crashing the orbitals debacle. nobody was willing to do it.
but imagine. we board a clanker battleship, drop it on their fob

[astral nymph]

Feel free too, I'm not turning anyone away. VTOLs are very handy and helpful

[modest pagoda]

Ayee

[queen tendon]

#meta-comm message

[modest pagoda]

Vtols

[astral nymph]

Most important thing is activating your unit in S.A.M. after that, just put your name on the signup sheet in Pins.

[winged dawn]

at the very minimum vtols can carry logi.

[modest pagoda]

We have a decent Composition tbf

[winged dawn]

get ready to be a crate hound lol

[modest pagoda]

Still lacking logistics

But

[queen tendon]

We’ll figure it out

[brazen helm]

i mean with all the vtols we should be alot better off

[winged dawn]

we dont talk about that

[modest pagoda]

Yes

Thats what i mean

[brazen helm]

we still have AWHILE before the campaign starts to get more logi

[queen tendon]

Our biggest issue is the arty rn

[winged dawn]

in what way bahahah

we dont have enough?

[brazen helm]

maybe logi should get a buff so not so many players feel pressured or forced to play them?

[modest pagoda]

Yeah our arty eats alot of shells

[queen tendon]

In the way of they are slow and we can’t pull them all

[modest pagoda]

Ye

[queen tendon]

Getting them to the hill is gonna be tough

[modest pagoda]

It will

[winged dawn]

we almost certainly arent getting any intel are we?

[winged dawn]

not if we get a couple more trucks

[astral nymph]

We have a very good group of folks and a good composition. It's really just 3 trucks/HVTOLs that we are missing.

UUUUH WE might Wanderer. We generally get intel as we close in on start date.

[brazen helm]

rabbit should be going in a week before anyone else. will be getting us recon

[modest pagoda]

@warm hazel

We should do a artillery train

[winged dawn]

ill take whatever we can get

[warm hazel]

We have more logis on the way

Gonna be doing food bribes

[modest pagoda]

Lmao

[astral nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-fern-beyond-journeys-end-macdonald-burgers-gif-10253262265477048425

[warm hazel]

Not for the Logi part. Just for the signing up faster part

[modest pagoda]

@astral nymph you must really like frieren

[warm hazel]

Bahah I send that to my buddy every time they surprise me with fast food

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/elf-nonsense-elf-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-2308403050531304831

[astral nymph]

I doooo, but also its like the first thing that comes up in gif searches these days.

[modest pagoda]

Fair lmao

[winged dawn]

its an amazing anime

[modest pagoda]

Its one of my current favourite anime

[warm hazel]

That is also exactly why I send it

[modest pagoda]

Tensuras also up there tn

Rn

[valid pecan]

Logi trucks eat free

[astral nymph]

is this dwarfy enough for you (from my gacha game I play)

[modest pagoda]

Which gacha tho

Afk journey?

[modest pagoda]

YO?

Appreciate it

[minor solar]

Only Gacha i got is HSR

[astral nymph]

Yeah, AFK Journey. Tis Hugin

[modest pagoda]

I get the most Sus ads for afk journey on my facebook

Its weird

[astral nymph]

Really? that bad? I've been playing sicne release. TOBEFAIR never heard of the 1st game before and I went 'this is stupid' when I saw the 1st add.... and i've been playing for a year and a half :/

[warm hazel]

I mean that is the plan right. 5 trucks 5 arty?

[fervent sage]

So for the document, is it a note yourself or inform Nalla?

[brazen helm]

put yourself in!

[modest pagoda]

Prolly

Though we're trying to get more

[silent glade]

usualy ads are super wierd and sus for lots of games.
then if you play its just anormal game xD

[modest pagoda]

Fr

[warm hazel]

That is for cargo and more units

[astral nymph]

Either or. If you cant put it in, I'll add for you. Just tell me your name/callsign/unit and I'm pretty sure your not new Night.

[modest pagoda]

Fair

[fervent sage]

Nope was a tac-com XD

Just didn’t want to mess up organization

[astral nymph]

Oh, I just reused Atlas form. I don't mind if the other tac-coms improve those pages or whatever. I'm not tooooo much of a stickler. So long as the basic information is there and it looks relatively pretty

[fervent sage]

Ye I noticed that, it’s a good page

Will be reused till the end of time I think

[astral nymph]

Probably. I like putting room for data and graphs and stuff at the bottom. Percentage breakdown by types, veterancy, etc etc etc survival lol

[fervent sage]

Anyway, naked VTOL is signed up, Dwarves are on strike till they get all my Rec Pay /RP

[fervent sage]

Yeah it’s a neat addition

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-gif-21824862

Welcome brother dwarf

[fervent sage]

Plus with Operations having a people cap it’s nice to know make ups

[modest pagoda]

Whose ready to strip mine the planet for real?

[astral nymph]

It's 60 this time around, and there are now... I think your the 6th past Tac-Com in here. So i'm not overly worried about size. Stressing a little about lack of trucks but we could close that form now and be totally fine.

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-glassing-covenant-gif-12623933176306525510

[silent glade]

aah maybe im getting too much satisfaction from my row on the sheet being thicker than the others due to having too many upgrades. but it makes me happy 😅

[modest pagoda]

Pfttt

Mans got more words

So it makes him happy lol

[fervent sage]

Yeah if you need help you’re covered lol

[modest pagoda]

[fervent sage]

I can help too obv, just need to wait till after Mid July since I’m on vacation then and can’t Tac-Com lol

[warm hazel]

Ah wair

[astral nymph]

I definitly will. I'm not here from the 10th to 20th of July basically.

but theres plenty of good folks to help 😄

[warm hazel]

Wait are you thinking of closing the form for this battle group?

[astral nymph]

No

max size is 60, we have 40

[fervent sage]

XD I get home in the middle of your vacation

[silent glade]

maybe we should just split the dates into 6 so everyone gets a taccom session XD

[warm hazel]

Oh thank goodness

Had a mini heart attack

[fervent sage]

Each former tac-com gets a noob who we teach how to tac-com/j

[dry wraith]

Hey! How do I go about joining the battle group?

[silent glade]

i mean, it would work

[warm hazel]

Check the pin I believe

[fervent sage]

Make sure your unit is activated and in the campaignthen either inform Nalla or use the pin Sheet to write yourself in

[silent glade]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-michael-scott-dunder-mifflin-the-office-welcome-aboard-gif-27005393

[modest pagoda]

Alright

I gtg to work

[fervent sage]

So we’re low on Logi?

[dry wraith]

Thank you!

[winged dawn]

always are

[fervent sage]

Yeah but that’s why I ask if we’re actually low or if it’s the funny haha “can’t have too much logi”

[warm hazel]

We are

[dry wraith]

Excellent, on it now ^^

[winged dawn]

ah yes

[warm hazel]

Check the pin and you can take a look at the unit roster

[winged dawn]

we are low, we need i think 3 more to transport our arty

we would like 4

[warm hazel]

I got 2 buddies who are very interested in joining the same battle group as me both liking the look of a logi

[winged dawn]

to be able to keep them stocked up constantly

[warm hazel]

So if we have 1 more we would have 5 total. Enough to haul our arty

[astral nymph]

Added a few more air lines.

We have 5 arty and 2 arty transport capable folks. So we are actually low. Between the 2 hats and 2 trucks and vtols with the small supply changes. I am sure we can keep small supply running. It's just a hauling to and from issue.

[fervent sage]

Okay so 12 units that need supply, 3 that can get their own but work better with Logi (Engineers), the LMs, and then Arty.

We’ll need a supply base no matter what

[astral nymph]

I feel like thats a UNIVERSAL need though among all BGs so I'm not too worried about it.

If we move at speed 1, then we will roll over them like a glacier and crush them at speed 1

But yes, we will need a FOB no matter what.

[warm hazel]

That is the Logi truck upgrade right? The one that has 5 cargo?

[winged dawn]

yeah hopefully,
actually how do we go about getting an HQ

[fervent sage]

If the bots have established an airfield (Probably have) we can snag it

[fervent sage]

Well we can try

[warm hazel]

We dig a few tiles down and put a trap door above us

[winged dawn]

bet

[fervent sage]

Engineers can also build stuff

[warm hazel]

Again we still need to fight through the city

[astral nymph]

Thats the hope. Otherwise it's hoping the Flying Shovels are able to build one.

RedDetonator CAN build a Rough Airfield, so we can keep the fighters supplied, it's just the HATs that would have some trouble landing. Admittedly they can shuffle supplies from the city if need be I hope....

[warm hazel]

From what was being talked about

[winged dawn]

i think we just blitz the city and try to get out asap.

[warm hazel]

Do they really need all these buildings?

[silent glade]

maybe they can just bring us stuff via airdrop?

[warm hazel]

I am sure arty will take care of it

[astral nymph]

That works great for small supply and with even 2 trucks, we can do that since trucks can carry a lot of small supply now and they work in tandem with HATs.

[winged dawn]

good ask chrono. can we ask the raccoons if they need their buildings intact?

[silent glade]

Logi packs up what they get dropped, bring it around and hand it out as needed

[fervent sage]

Yeah sounds like our logi chain depends on if the City has infrastructure for us to supply at, setting up at a safe spot near the city for a rough airfield, and HATs airdropping supply from our orbitals (?)

[fervent sage]

I think that’s the turn 1 logi questionnaire, on if those things can be done by us

[winged dawn]

if only we had like 10 hats

everything would be simple

[fervent sage]

Or a guaranteed airfield in our AO, supply would really flow then

[astral nymph]

That is the current basic logic train unless Flying Shovels BG get enough people and folks to build an AF in the north or one is not already there from the Bots that we can take and repair.

We don't need 10 HATs, they can carry alot more supply now and so do logistic trucks. We just can't land them to move vehicles atm

[silent glade]

i really thought about going logi or hat this campaign but, alas. Shack added rams and rapid ramps

[astral nymph]

I would have if I hadn't already bought this mech. I did pick up fists so Ican help build though.

[fervent sage]

Yeah I think we are at the stage where we could need more Logi but technically don’t based on what we know (Which is absolutely fucking nothing!/j)

[warm hazel]

Shoulda did a hat truck

[winged dawn]

what im concerned about is how long travel and turn around time will be.
if we get no airfield. are we going to have turns where we are unsupplied?

[warm hazel]

Currently stuck waiting for people to wake up myself

[fervent sage]

I was extremely tempted to play Deimos as an LM this campaign, but I want to get a nice stockpile of rec

[fervent sage]

And for us to get scans on the battlefield

[warm hazel]

Glad to see this war is such a big payout then

[winged dawn]

as long as we can get 5 logi trucks ill be merry.

[fervent sage]

Yeah this war is gonna be great

Assuming we all don’t die

[astral nymph]

Yep, thats where we are. Ideally we get more trucks/HVTOL but it's whatever. I am not pressuring people to buy stuff or play.

Depends on the map Wanderer and what exists on there... and how many hits we receive or ammo salvos. We will need a FOB build no matter what I think.

5 points.... this is going to hurt ya'll.

[fervent sage]

5 could be overkill depending on our map

[queen tendon]

We got confirmation that fighters cannot land on rough airstrips. So they cannot be rearmed there

[fervent sage]

Oh damn, only VTOLs then?

[astral nymph]

Only Rugget HATS. Vtols can land anywhere that is clear already 😦

[fervent sage]

Guess we won’t need to compete for repairs/j

[winged dawn]

.-.

tragedy

[queen tendon]

There’s plans for a ground support fighter that can land on temp airfields but that doesn’t exist yet

[fervent sage]

Yeah that’s strange

[fervent sage]

Okay that makes sense

[astral nymph]

And armco has a grand total of 0 Rugged HATs atm

[winged dawn]

Yayyyy

[fervent sage]

Having only two types of units able to use it, one of which can use any plot of dirt anyway, feels weird

But a planned third makes sense

[warm hazel]

One is awake. It is time to start harassing them

[fervent sage]

Plus still can hold supply I think

[winged dawn]

Plan, plan and plan some more because when the fighting starts the plan goes out the window

[queen tendon]

HVTOL will also help the Arty transportation too

[astral nymph]

If we get one, yes. HVTOL or TRUCKs if we can get 3 we'll be totally set

[silent glade]

I really hope IFV can pay for a tow bar some day, having some other unit that can take arty around would just be so damn useful

[queen tendon]

But yeah, I’m fully expecting all this planning to go out the window week one lmao. Well look at the planet and need to completely pivot based on their current holdings

[fading dune]

Ill do that in a few minutes :D

[fervent sage]

This is a good way to get into some trouble lol, don’t overplan

[silent glade]

Also,
Its just a metal bar guys weld that shit on already xD

[queen tendon]

I’m pretty sure the crew here is solid, well all adapt well

[fervent sage]

99% of planning explodes when we see the battlemaps lol

[queen tendon]

Yup

[fading dune]

What's our AA looking like? I imagine flying bots will be a thing

[silent glade]

https://tenor.com/view/marley-kkt-throwing-laptop-slow-internet-rage-quit-gif-15488983524332865221

[queen tendon]

Two fighters who we can’t really rearm

[valid pecan]

I don't think there will be much change for us arty. We land, go "Oh shit," then shell everything in the general area of bad touch.

[fervent sage]

I’m imagining the Bots to be based off HD2? So probably lots of airpower

[silent glade]

Yeah tbh, AA is our biggest current weakness

[queen tendon]

tbf AA has always been lacking in Armco

Just like as a rule set thing

[fading dune]

Ill see what upgrades are available. Maybe i can get a dual role weapon for it

[fervent sage]

Yeah our AA has always won via being smarter than the enemy

[valid pecan]

It'd be cool to get flak rounds for the arty

[fervent sage]

The Arty is kind of big AA now for taking out Orbitals

[queen tendon]

You can buy individual AA missiles

[astral nymph]

If you have the points Noah, there is the limited LRM mechs if you wanted to spend it.

Alternatively for 3 ppoints I think, you can get a Flak Tank... also something I should have done but Noah and I convinced ourselves we'd get into one of the smaller interim games for 1 point and then did not

[queen tendon]

1 req a piece

[fervent sage]

I’d say going in we’re probably going to have trouble establishing air dominance, they have a space navy and they’ll have aircraft. But probably not much of that ground based AA that recked us during the last major campaign

[queen tendon]

That’s what we said last time

We fucking rolled those guys

[fervent sage]

Oh yeah true

Well we did get caught off guard by those AA turrets in the north and parts of the south but we did still have full control within round 1 basically

[valid pecan]

Yeah that's cool and all, but the idea of a battery of cannons shooting up the sky like ww2 is awesome.

[astral nymph]

If an orbital gets too close to us, then yes

[wintry swan]

I don't think fighters can land at rough airfields. I hope shack changes that ruling because if rugged hats are the only ones who can use it....well we don't even have any rugged hats signed up for the campaign at all

[tired cairn]

I was hoping we could get fighter escorts, for enemy interceptors, and hopefuly Artillary can take care of any G2A Anti Air

[wintry swan]

Two fighters with upgrades

[silent glade]

We need ourselves a specialised AA tank, but i dont think anyones taken the quad AC AA gun xD

[wintry swan]

Mage and I can last two rounds without rearming if we use our missiles judiciously but yeah an airfield is a top priority

[valid pecan]

Hold on, we are on an ice world. Could we not hire some sled dogs or snowmobiles?

[tired cairn]

huskie-towed Arty would be cool as hell

[fervent sage]

We might be able to buy but I doubt we can hire anyone in a war zone

[tired cairn]

I can imagine that happening in WH40K

[queen tendon]

Yeah, I’m honestly worried about this because you guys can’t leave and rearm without us. You also can’t change bgs midway through

[fervent sage]

Could they resupply at a Taskforce?

We need them for landing don’t we, could ask if their carrier could stick close for a bit

[winged dawn]

They can sortie out!

[wintry swan]

Yeah we could if the CV is close by but it'd be significantly slower than using an airfield in our AO

[hybrid hazel]

Sortied aircrafts can’t use airfields

[wintry swan]

Could we not sortie to the CV?

[hybrid hazel]

And have a handful of other limitations

[fading dune]

I have 3 points, I could get a quad cannon

[astral nymph]

UP TO YOU noah

your points.

I bought fists for my Light mech with my 2

https://tenor.com/view/punch-anime-girl-punch-gif-3087067746279166019

[fading dune]

I could buy the LRMs and then save my last point for the conversion to a medium mech later on

[astral nymph]

Up to you. (^.^)

[winged dawn]

Nalla is just a LM brawler

[rich olive]

https://tenor.com/view/dreadnought-space-marines-vs-orks-blood-ravens-gif-15592771

[astral nymph]

D2 and a dream

[fading dune]

alternatively

[astral nymph]

It'll be handy if we ever get in a melee charge though cause we only have 1 unit with melee weapons, plus I can help build airfields or fobs or other things.

[fading dune]

I could convert Hardliner into a PA infantry

[astral nymph]

You could. Up to you.

[queen tendon]

“Sorties can’t land an airfields, and must return home to rearm and refuel.”

[winged dawn]

Crash out

[queen tendon]

It also costs a large supply to sortie

[wintry swan]

Oh yeah

[winged dawn]

Man logi is rough

[wintry swan]

How much large supply do we start with?

[winged dawn]

Unknown

Seems to be however much the battleships bring in.

[queen tendon]

However much is in our orbitals

[astral nymph]

Theres no getting around it, we are going to need Shovels to hopefully build a n airfield, or we hope the bots have one at Hill Mine.

UH it's an item you can bring with ships but given that we have so few ships, we are quite limited atm

[winged dawn]

This is going to be a struggle guys

Are flying shovels the only ones with field engineers?

[queen tendon]

We might have to ask our fighters to leave. For their own sakes. I don’t want them locked into being in our bg when we can’t feasibly resupply them

[queen tendon]

Yup. I’m still talking with them

[fervent sage]

If we get the scan that they do have an Airfield at Hill Mine, I’m happy to combat drop some boys in to help, but they’ll likely have AA so might be a suicide mission

[winged dawn]

Basically we have to keep an eye out for field engineers.

If we could get our hands on one it would be grand

[wintry swan]

If we don't have orbitals in our battle group does that mean we have no supply

[queen tendon]

Doesn’t have to be in our bg specifically but yeah

Like we could use another bgs large supply

[wintry swan]

So there just need to be a way for the other bg to get that supply to us

[queen tendon]

If we want to sortie yes

[wintry swan]

Or get supplies at all like for our arty

[winged dawn]

Wait I’m not sure we even can sortie.
I thinks it’s a task force thing

[queen tendon]

It’s any aerospace asset

[hybrid hazel]

Wait so we can’t have an aircraft or logistic vehicle say pick up supplies from one region and move it into another with how the rules are? Shit

[queen tendon]

Correct

[warm hazel]

What are we needing?

[winged dawn]

I’m lost. How do we transport the large supply from the orbitals. I assume they all have to land at the space port if they don’t have landing gear.

[wintry swan]

Field engineers

[warm hazel]

Hoho alright, one of the buddies not as into Logi was looking at engi

That is good news mark. We can bee bees

[winged dawn]

Field engineer is a refit tho I think it costs more then he’ll get

[queen tendon]

Do they have 7 req to get the refit and the upgrade?

[warm hazel]

Oh dammit. Forgot

Not just normal ones

Field is the name of a refit

[winged dawn]

How do we even hold a supply line up then? If we can’t transport supply across maps… how do we possibly stay fed?

[fading dune]

mmmm do we have a taskforce to transport us? lol

[winged dawn]

Nope

We’re coming with the NPCs

[warm hazel]

We mine

[winged dawn]

I wish that worked

[warm hazel]

⛏️

[winged dawn]

⛏️

[warm hazel]

Logi trucks turned into mining trucks

[hybrid hazel]

Looking at how logistics are if we can’t drive back with trucks or aircraft to pick stuff up, and no other task force can just send a few others with supplies, it means we have to march all supplies in

[warm hazel]

Ok so no one in the logis beside supplies?

[hybrid hazel]

Unless others use aircraft to hot drop it in through a sortie

[warm hazel]

Everyone walks

[winged dawn]

We can’t really ask an orbital to waste one entire LS to drop us what 1 other LS?

[hybrid hazel]

VTOLs can carry people and supplies

[queen tendon]

Okay so imma talk out the supply stuff just to get my thoughts out if that’s cool. If it’s not cool just ignore me

[fading dune]

Read the uh Cargo supply stuff

[warm hazel]

They got slots for both holding a 6fs thing and 2 supply light

[hybrid hazel]

Yeah, we also have two heavy air transport that can carry like how many supplies and guys again?

If we plan to fortify HH still we need to make sure we bring in max supply if resupply across lines doesn’t work with current rules

Or we split the the battle group into 3 groups. Base/transport/frontline but I feel we don’t want to do that

[fading dune]

You just need 1 medium supply to build an FOB, then you have enough Small supply that can be transported from there to everyone in the field.

[warm hazel]

Need engis to upgrade it right?

For larger stock

[fading dune]

need engis to build it first

but yeah

[queen tendon]

For the most part we need small supplies. This will help engies build defenses, as well as keep our arty, fighters, and medics supplied (ignoring the limitations of fighters landing). Small supplies can be carried by logi trucks, VTOLs, engineers, and HATs

Small supply is generated by orbitals with large supply, HQs, Airfields, FOBs

So our biggest issue is we don’t know where the small supply will be generated

[hybrid hazel]

We can build a temp airfield I think. How much large supply to we get and how often can we restore it? Lol

[warm hazel]

Each cargo on a logi can hold five so each fits ten

[queen tendon]

FOBs require a 6 req engineer and an airfield requires 7. A temp airfield doesn’t fit the bill here. We need a whole ass permanent one

[warm hazel]

Fuck you need a req for fob?

[hybrid hazel]

Are we just logistically unviable without the direct support of others logistics right now? Beyond carrying our crap in?

God I hope we can utilize the mines lol

[warm hazel]

The dwarves yearning for the mines. What is new

[winged dawn]

That’s what we’re trying to figure out. If we can’t maintain supply lines it’s a big sadge

[haughty mauve]

I feel like it depends on how long the campaign is

[warm hazel]

We get ten arty shots per truck

Assuming no units inside them

[hybrid hazel]

I feel this campaign will either be short and swift or long and brutal

[warm hazel]

Either way 5 req

I gotta live to pay for the orbi I want

[hybrid hazel]

5 req if my stock infantry squad survives lol

[winged dawn]

Long and brutal

[warm hazel]

6 for survival

[queen tendon]

Correct and it’ll likely stay that way just because of the req required to make logi units

[hybrid hazel]

I don’t even got a bayonet to my name

[warm hazel]

5 is participation

[hybrid hazel]

Ah okay

[queen tendon]

You know what we probably will need to do

We probably need to split the battlegroup. Have a combat bg that can stay in the hills and a logi bg that can move between maps getting supplies

Working very closely in tandem, but technically separate

[warm hazel]

More Logi incoming one is agreeing to my bribes

[winged dawn]

Honestly?

Not a bad idea axx

[brazen helm]

wrong, it was 5 for survival 4 for part

i think*

[winged dawn]

It’d definitely make the situation more liveable.
And even in that we might split into 3
One for logistics. One for holding. One for combat.
Though you could mix holding and combat tbf

Actually

I’m in favor of that

[fading dune]

@astral nymph I suppose I could also be a very annoying infantry team as well

[hybrid hazel]

I did suggest splitting earlier, I’m not sure if it would be best to do it now

[warm hazel]

I like us all going to the hill

[winged dawn]

But before me do anything let’s figure out if we’ll have a supply line function first

[silent glade]

This is correct

[warm hazel]

Drat

[hybrid hazel]

Perhaps after we get more people we can break up into 3 sub groups

So the recruiting is less chaotic?

[queen tendon]

I think we should split the party. But I don’t wanna run with that without getting everyone’s approval.

To be clear though we’d still operate together we would just be separately mapped for logistical purposes

[winged dawn]

i think two would be enough tbh.

Dwarf Vanguard and Dwarf Shipping Co.

[fading dune]

I feel like that would make things more complicated logistically wouldn't it?

[queen tendon]

The minecart

[queen tendon]

In what way?

[brazen helm]

im only voting yes to the split if everyone else votes yes

[winged dawn]

i actually think itd make it less so. if we have delegation, One tac comm can focus on logistics, and another can focus on combat. that way we arent screaming over eachother for info.

has this been done before?

[fading dune]

Thats already possible in one BG, and this is supposed to be a 1 BG per fight type thing isn't it?

[silent glade]

Im not sure splitting works better, like, whats the specific purpose?

We have lots of tac com capable people

[queen tendon]

Because a battlegroup can only be on one map. So if the combat group needs to stay in position while the logi group goes and gets supplies, they can’t.

[hybrid hazel]

Let’s hold off on a split just yet unless it’s deemed necessary for operations

Supplies might have ways to move more smoothly between regions

[winged dawn]

to allow logistics to move back and forth between map zones.
if we have one BG focusing on the fight, and another BG focused on bringing supp. the logi BG can move back and forth. It'd be a hell of a hassle to pull everyone from fighting just to get suppleid

[hybrid hazel]

Also, can heavy air transports para drop supplies?

[winged dawn]

they are, but we dont have a supplied airfield on location so its kinda useless function to us

[astral nymph]

trucks :F

[queen tendon]

If they have a logo truck to drop it in

[silent glade]

It would make alot of sense to allow transorts to deliver aupplies to eachother at map edges

Yes they can drop them on stationary logi trucks

[hybrid hazel]

So in theory someone else with HAT can air drop us supplies if it’s needed.

[queen tendon]

This system is still in testing so it’s a bit rough around the edges.

[hybrid hazel]

Yeah, I think logistics wasn’t thought out on this one

[winged dawn]

a

[hybrid hazel]

I’m worried I won’t get new boots

[brazen helm]

transport and logi NEEDS to be able to move maps otherwise this whole system is broken

[queen tendon]

For the record I’m not suggesting we split now, we have so much time. I just want the idea out there to see how people feel about it in general

[hybrid hazel]

I admit I haven’t played yet so I’m not sure how this’ll go

[hybrid hazel]

Same. I think keeping it in mind as a possibility wouldn’t be terrible if it’s optimal

So, worst case scenario, we march everything in

Wait how do we support aircraft that cannot land in areas without airfields when we move into them?

[winged dawn]

im still in favor of this if Supply line info doesnt get cleared up.
if it does get cleared up late. it wont really affect us either way.
my problem is,
A if we dont split by the time it starts, we'll be locked into one map at a time.
B. We'll be reliant on other BGs to supply us

[winged dawn]

you see the problem now lol

[hybrid hazel]

Do aircrafts need to refuel? Cause if so

[queen tendon]

My thought process is (for the vets of c3) this would be a similar thing to what happened to storm chaser but for more optimal reasons.

Instead of having one massive bg they separated into three separate ones that all operated together and planned together

[hybrid hazel]

Do we need an orbital that aircraft can land in? Is that even a thing?

A low orbit support orbital?

[queen tendon]

Fighters and bombers need to rearm after every attack

[brazen helm]

orbitals can now be attached to BG's, but we dont have one

[hybrid hazel]

Crap

[queen tendon]

It is, but orbitals are still being made

[fading dune]

There, I've activated

[hybrid hazel]

Perhaps an orbital or two could be beneficial to our operations for supplies and rearming

If we had a supply / carrier

[fading dune]

as far as i understand it

that's up to whatever task force we attach ourselves to

[winged dawn]

if there even is one to attach ourselves to in the first place

[brazen helm]

there are currently only 2 tf

tf1 has 6 ships as of last night

[fading dune]

yep, Orbital crews are sparse lol

[brazen helm]

tf2 has 1 ship as of this morning (est)

[queen tendon]

We don’t have to be attached to a TF. And as far as I know we don’t have a great one to attach to yet

[hybrid hazel]

Let’s hope we somehow get our own support ship lol

[queen tendon]

TF2 would be our best bet that’s still being made

[brazen helm]

tf2 said they would be 'taking contracts' based on which group needs the most at any given moment

[fading dune]

shrug im running a save up on this mission. Im using the mech i bought in the off season to run mini-campaigns on for extra cash. (that i never got into lol)

[hybrid hazel]

Maybe storms blessings can bring VTOLs around to drop off supplies on occasion lol

They have like how many VTOLs now?

[winged dawn]

i dont think we need to struggle to get in quick. i think we just roll in on the NPC freighters.
we dont need to be fast at all

[winged dawn]

14

[hybrid hazel]

Lol

[fading dune]

After this I'll try to do some orbital stuff, since i'll have the cash to actually do so lol

[hybrid hazel]

I think us rolling in on second wave from star ports would be best for how we plan to operate

[queen tendon]

I’d agree. I’m more worried about the afterwards when we are trying to hold the hill and can’t supply ourselves

[winged dawn]

yeah thats the stick for us

[queen tendon]

The issue is the strategic map

Can combat bg load into logi bg so that logi bg can move them across the strategic layer map

That’s a shack question

[winged dawn]

we're still waiting on info.
i think it might come down to a Shack decision.
not enough TFs with more LS cap?
he'll probably allow supply cross map markers.
if there are we'll have to beg for an orbital to come supply us

[hybrid hazel]

You know what would be cool?

[warm hazel]

I sense a truck

[velvet scarab]

Hello, I have a Logitruck and would like to join your organization

[hybrid hazel]

Trains

[queen tendon]

Truck!

[brazen helm]

TRAINS

[hybrid hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-conquest-army-train-gif-17242572

[warm hazel]

I like trucks

[hybrid hazel]

Build a train for cross regional transfers

[winged dawn]

welcome

its a gaggle of dwarves in here

[queen tendon]

Make sure to activate your unit using the bot. Then add yourself to this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1muZ6eUbGh9T1X2CKXfxRDQA4mMZOh2mHMVg0AuL7Xe8/edit?gid=2109992944#gid=2109992944

[hybrid hazel]

Straight from the mines and into the front lines

[winged dawn]

can we get some ww2 style propaganda?

[velvet scarab]

Already activated, ty

[minor solar]

I thought we were with TF Victorum?

[hybrid hazel]

I think no matter what no one is using logi trucks as transport. We loading those bad boys up with supply

[winged dawn]

nah they're a combat focused TF. i dont know who gave you that info

[minor solar]

Ah ok

[brazen helm]

vic has a SINGLE cargo ship

and they are working with rabbit

[minor solar]

Then forget my question

[velvet scarab]

I need to install Google sheets on my phone apparently

[hybrid hazel]

I hope there is a way to produce supplies from the mines, if we can do that we can just be dwarves and hold the mines

[brazen helm]

we can add you to the sheet

[hybrid hazel]

Who needs fancy space craft when you got rock and stone

[brazen helm]

https://tenor.com/bK9Uv.gif

[minor solar]

We should ask Shack if that is a possibility for us

[hybrid hazel]

I doubt that’ll be info given ahead of time

All we know is robots will make more robots and they’re taking people

[warm hazel]

One trucker down two more to go

[velvet scarab]

Thank you immensely

[brazen helm]

need your unit callsign is all :3

[velvet scarab]

Trucker

[cosmic canyon]

Can you still use another Logi- Truck?

[brazen helm]

of course!

[hybrid hazel]

Engineers can carry supply, carrying engineers = carrying more supply. VTOLs carrying engineers will carry up to 6 supply

[warm hazel]

We need two more. Would love you to join

[hybrid hazel]

Can you split a unit between multiple transports? I don’t think you can can you?

[warm hazel]

Yep as you can hold 12 fs and that is 3 Engi squads

That is 2 supply more than holding two 5 units of supply

Hence my desire to haul 3 engis

[brazen helm]

those engis would be more usefull doing something else

than moving an extra 2 supply

[hybrid hazel]

Enginis and supplies get transport priority lol

[hybrid hazel]

We’ll really engineers can carry it on their backs

[hybrid hazel]

Lol

[brazen helm]

thanks grok

[hybrid hazel]

So trucks can load up more supply overall

[warm hazel]

They haul supply passively tho. But they being outside allows them to carry up that supply and also trucks to haul 10 more

So it could be good to go without as well

[hybrid hazel]

And our heavy air transports can just carry a haul full and fly around in circles until we kept the temp airfield down lol

[winged dawn]

nope

they have to be rugged

[hybrid hazel]

VTOLs with engineers would allow for more supply transport

Then on trucks

[astral nymph]

It's not really supply I'm worried about personally. Just movement speed strategically.

WORST CASE, the HATs can fly to space, pull their supply, and come back. that is what we were doing last campaign.

we'll know more once w ehave more intel in the coming days

[hybrid hazel]

Since VTOLs can take only 2 supply + up to 6 FP

True

HATs might carry our resupply heavily

[warm hazel]

Then we should be good carrying units in the trucks. Also wooo let's friggin go. 4 trucks so far

[velvet scarab]

Woo 4 trucks

[hybrid hazel]

We should still fill them with supplies

We plan to go engineer fortification heavy

And we have lots of arty

[astral nymph]

Oh my god were doing it guys

[warm hazel]

I mean the speed a hat can air drop is fast

[hybrid hazel]

Bring in as much as we can

[queen tendon]

Can’t leave the map that the bg is on, also requires there be a orbital above us with supply

[warm hazel]

I owe them two dinners for this

[velvet scarab]

Correct

[hybrid hazel]

Bring in supplies in mass in case stuff gets shot down / we have readily available resources

[astral nymph]

Then we will need to build a FOB and hope theres an AF to capture or Flying SHovels gets the people to build one.

I am unsure ANYone is a Field ith an AF upgrade...

[hybrid hazel]

We have an engineer with temp airfield listed

[warm hazel]

Let's fucking go

[hybrid hazel]

Not sure about a FOB

[warm hazel]

Fob would be amazing

Art could just dump rounds

[hybrid hazel]

Do you need an upgrade for that?

[warm hazel]

Yeeee

[queen tendon]

If shack comes around again when I’m not around can someone ping me so I can ask my question?

FOB news to be supplied every two rounds with a LS

[warm hazel]

Gives unlimited lower tier supply tho

During that time

[astral nymph]

Yes but we have 0 Rugged HATs in Armco at the moment... so thats... unfortunately not useful to us aside from some storage 😦

[warm hazel]

It holds supply too?

[astral nymph]

I dont member

[queen tendon]

This is wrong

[warm hazel]

Sucks that such an upgrade requires another person to have similar upgrade

[queen tendon]

HQ and Airfields need LS every two rounds. FOBs need medium every round

[hybrid hazel]

Looking at what shack recently said we’ll need an orbital to provide large supply

[queen tendon]

Correct

[astral nymph]

How do we get medium supply then? I am forgetting

[warm hazel]

Can't wait to buy one after the war

[hybrid hazel]

So, shiza

[warm hazel]

Hats can hold it

[queen tendon]

Large supply is only created by an orbital with an empty supply room. We can’t get any more after that

[silent glade]

Idealy yes, a logi based orbital full of supply with a flight deck to land HATs on

[astral nymph]

Can they drop it cause if we don't have an Airfield... and an Airfield needs a Large...

[queen tendon]

You pull it from an operational HQ, Airfield, or Orbital with LS

[snow python]

my dream orbital

[hybrid hazel]

Large supply though is limitless right? Or does it run out?

[queen tendon]

It runs out

[hybrid hazel]

Ah

[astral nymph]

I think Large is dependent on how many cargo holds you put on your ship....

[warm hazel]

Uh maybe. Probably got to land. We would need a better Logi truck to catch a medium quq

[hybrid hazel]

So what’s the logic on it? 1 large is like how many medium or small?

[warm hazel]

Every cargo hold is a large

[queen tendon]

LS is our most limited resource it it fuels everything that generates all the medium and small supply. It can only be created by logi orbitals. Once we are out, that’s it. No more supplies

[warm hazel]

||I spent all night reading the rules instead of going to bed||

[astral nymph]

1 larhe can drop an infinate amount of medium and small, SO LONG as they are active at a HQ level location. 1 large lasts... was it 2 or 3 rounds?

[queen tendon]

2

[astral nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-c3po-were-doomed-doomed-we-are-doomed-gif-18829104

[queen tendon]

“Large - Used on the strategic level by orbital task force groups. This can’t be recouped in a campaign, so what we bring with us is what we have access to. We get this from Cargo Bays on orbitals. This represents our War Chest for the current conflict. When this runs dry. We’re done. See large scale games and the strategic level above.. HQ’s / Airfields / Orbital Taskforces can be marked as Supplied for 2 rounds when a Large Supply is used.
“

[astral nymph]

😄

[hybrid hazel]

Okay, we maxing out how much supply we’re carrying on our backs and going in with

[warm hazel]

Exactly the reason why I wanna make a massive cargo ship later

[silent glade]

So, its 2 rounds of pulling as much stuff as you can ir need

[astral nymph]

How many.... space ships with cargo do we have right now?

[warm hazel]

Do we NEED them supplied all the time or can we slot the cargo in when we need to take it out

[warm hazel]

Like zero

[hybrid hazel]

And we’ll only use a large supply if we access it to completely restock as much as we can

[astral nymph]

We can slot it in when we need it. yes.

[warm hazel]

If they could they woulda removed them for guns from what I saw

We get 1 round of supplies and that is it

Bahaha

[astral nymph]

The benefit is, if its active at say an airfield. We can repair and rearm vehicles and planes for free, as well as pull infinate supply for 2 turns.

If its not active, we repair and rearm with whatever smalls we have at our disposal

[hybrid hazel]

So 1 large generates unlimited supply for 2 rounds, and 1 medium generates unlimited small supply for 2 rounds?

[wintry swan]

It costs 7 req??? Someone would have to be saving since Haven for that

[astral nymph]

Yes

[astral nymph]

Which is why we do not have any right now

[hybrid hazel]

So if done right you could restore all supplies 4 times from a single large?

[astral nymph]

and also why this mission is giving us 5 req.

[warm hazel]

Yep

[hybrid hazel]

So now it comes down to using it effectively

[astral nymph]

So long as we have a place to stockpile them... yes.

[warm hazel]

Blowing all of that on a ship before getting some other dwarfs to crew it

[queen tendon]

Correct. There are three people with an engineer unit and 6 extra req. all of them are in flying shovel

[warm hazel]

Engi coming in clutch with the 4 supplies

But they need them for their abilities

[hybrid hazel]

What’s the largest stockpile that can be built? Lol

[astral nymph]

Which is why WE CAN produce the AF, the issue is if we have enough Large Supply to man it across all of our battlegroups....

[astral nymph]

Trucks and HATs can hold 10. I think they might have some upgrades, adn I think arty can hold 2 and might have na upgrade for more.

engineers can hold 4.

[warm hazel]

Next person to yap an ear off to play is waking up soon

👀

[astral nymph]

VTOLS and Light vehicles can hold some but they are multirole

[hybrid hazel]

Can trucks transport medium supply? If we get a FOB and stockpile somehow we can just go in with medium supply and every 1 medium supply could refill everything with small supply to max

[warm hazel]

We should have 5 trucks

[astral nymph]

and a FOB is infinate if we can get mediums to supply it

[warm hazel]

Need to be heavy refit

[hybrid hazel]

Ah I see

Cause carrying mediums seem much more economical if you can turn it into small supplies

[astral nymph]

And no one has a heavy refit. It would be....

[warm hazel]

Still 5 trucks is.. 50 small supply cargo

[hybrid hazel]

That is very true

And engineers carry 4 each

[warm hazel]

If we had heavy refit they could air drop medium supply

[hybrid hazel]

And VTOLs also carry 2 each

And our hats can carry how much again?

[astral nymph]

Yeah, its a lot. Admittedlty, I need to do an infantry count to see if we have the lift for all of our infantry.

[warm hazel]

And we can reload all of that from a medium

[astral nymph]

KEEP IN MIND we'll need the HATs to deploy infantry, same as VTOLs or we are moving at speed 1.

on the strategic map

[warm hazel]

We could also just ditch all the supplies and load them in the trucks

Terrible plan

[minor solar]

First Infantry then supplies

[hybrid hazel]

VTOLs can carry a fair amount of the infantry, and the HATs can carry what’s left + supplies

[warm hazel]

Getting some VTOLs to drop infantry in front sounds good

Too bad no paradrop upgrade

[astral nymph]

We have 17 Infantry and

[warm hazel]

Oh god we can't fit that

[hybrid hazel]

Issue is how will we deploy the infantry from the hats

[warm hazel]

Stay outta the trucks

[brazen helm]

infantry can walk

[warm hazel]

Fire them out

[brazen helm]

they have legsfor a reason

[warm hazel]

Run

[brazen helm]

dont they litteraly have a rush ability for this purpose

[astral nymph]

2 hats so thats 10 infantry
5 VTOLs so thats 5 infantry
2 IFVs so thats 2 infantry

WE DO HAVE INFANTRY LIFT

[brazen helm]

my LV can carry 4 FS

[hybrid hazel]

We have engineers and medics that take up slightly less space

[astral nymph]

and a LV so thats 18, they can carry a medic

[hybrid hazel]

Also some PAIs

So before we deploy If we do some planning we can probably fit everyone somewhere and maximize supply transport

[astral nymph]

and PAIs are 3 so we DO have the infantry lift. If we have all 5 logistic trucks then we can move at speed 3 on strategic map. We will be in a VERY good place (with 50 small supply)

[warm hazel]

Let's fucking go

Speed 3 full supply

[brazen helm]

50 supply is 50 arty shots

orrrr 50 landmines

:)

[warm hazel]

I'd say 50 landmines first

[astral nymph]

the only question is if we are able to get a field engineer to build an AF or if there is one on the map we can take.

At which point we will be SWIMMING (so long as HATs do not get shot down) 😄

[brazen helm]

none of our engi teams have mines unlocked

[warm hazel]

Would be a blast either way

[silent glade]

IFVs will be rushing to keep up but yeah

[hybrid hazel]

I thought I saw someone with mines

[astral nymph]

IFVs are speed 2?

[hybrid hazel]

I saw someone with temp airfield at least

[silent glade]

Yarp

[astral nymph]

damn okay WE MOVE AT SPEED 2 but it is what it is :

[warm hazel]

Still it's gonna be faster than 1

[queen tendon]

Good news

[vivid vessel]

Yeah, tanks and ifvs are 2 speed

[warm hazel]

We got two mbt

[astral nymph]

Thats still 100% better then one 😄

Yes Axx!

[silent glade]

Oh yes 2 is alot faster than 1 and tbh, rushing in allied territory when we can is feasable to make it 3 or 4 speed

[warm hazel]

It's like it is twice as good

[queen tendon]

#meta-comm message

“could work well enough if they have the numbers” was the response to my question about a combat bg loading into a logi bg for strategic map movement

[astral nymph]

If we needed to make a cargo run... yes...? I think

[warm hazel]

We are fast

[wintry swan]

Is that enough to build a full airfield?

[warm hazel]

God 5 VTOLs

I think that is the 2nd most?

[queen tendon]

Yes. We have a single engineer capable of building a full airfield, Beards who is leading Flying Shovel. Now do keep in mind that the airfield will need LS every two rounds still

[queen tendon]

Was this in response to what I said?

[warm hazel]

I think our BG is the best to defend it

[astral nymph]

Not in 1 turn without other folks helping but, I don't know who has the upgrade

[hybrid hazel]

Looks like HATs can carry 25 small supply each and we got 2

[queen tendon]

It’s beards who has it, Syntax Fehler

[hybrid hazel]

They can also carry medium or large by the looks of it

[astral nymph]

Is he the only one?

[warm hazel]

Also still loving the fact we have two fighters with AA

[astral nymph]

And does anyone have a Large Depot upgrade?

[hybrid hazel]

Doubt it lol

[queen tendon]

Yes

One sec

Morpheus, Warli, and Syntax were the only three engineers worth the req for the airfield stuff. 7 req total.
Syntax took the airfield
Warli took a minefield
Morpheus took the large depot

All of them are in the engie bg

[warm hazel]

Makes sense

[astral nymph]

Thanks for the hard work. Just trying to wrap my head around the logistics from an ARMCO perspective

OKAY so that means, no one can build a FOB.
We can build 1 Airfield at a time from 1 group, that if Syntact and Morpheus work together, lasts 3 turns.

And Syntax is the msot valuable unit on the map.

[hybrid hazel]

5 trucks + 2 HATs = 100 small supply, 3 engineers equal 12 supply and 5 VTOLs equal another 10 supply for a total of 130 small supply carry capacity

[queen tendon]

Hello syntax lmao

Call and he shall answer

He was typing for a second

[astral nymph]

On a resuply yes, if we need to pull from an AF or FOB.... We will have 50... maybe 60 going in unless we get more logistics or VTOLs

assuming no more infantry or whatever. assuming we go live with what we have now +1 truck. This might change

[hybrid hazel]

VTOLs will still bring in the supply also, since it’s 2 supply + 6 FS

[wintry swan]

I assume it can build faster if other engis and mechs with hands help even if the others don't have the airfield upgrade

[hybrid hazel]

Are we loading up troops in air? Or we going on foot?

[astral nymph]

Our unit NECESSITATES that as we move on the strategic map starting out, 10 infantry are in the HATs

otherwise we move at speed 1

[knotty bramble]

uhm Brymaster was the only other engineer capable of obtaining the airfield.
You needed 3 campaigns worth of rec for that

[astral nymph]

Which we can do, but it would not be ideal.

[astral nymph]

Sooo... Byrmaster has it, or no one has it?

[knotty bramble]

Everything happened simultaneously for a minute 😂

[warm hazel]

I can bully more people

[astral nymph]

lol dont bully people into playing what they do not want too.

We still have time.

[warm hazel]

They already wanna play Logi is the funny part

[velvet scarab]

I got bullied (true and accurate account of what happened)

[wintry swan]

Please sir may we have an airfield 👉 👈

[warm hazel]

||They just don't know it yet||

[knotty bramble]

In theory a 5 rec engineer could buy the Field Engineer and then FOB equipment

[hybrid hazel]

We’ll load up the VTOLs and IFVs, between the 5 Vtols that is able to carry 30 Individuals. 2 PAIs in 1. 24 for 4 infantry squads. The IFVs can carry what 1 or 2 squads each?

[vale geode]

1 squad

[knotty bramble]

Sure I just don't know yet where we will put it. 😅
Wouldn't be surprised if only gets build turn 2 or 3

[astral nymph]

1, I mathed it out above. We currently have the lift for our infantry needs.

Well I'm assuming your guys BG will be basically moving from spot to spot to build airfields. We also might have airfields already in some of these areas. The cities will DEFINITELY have them.

[hybrid hazel]

We got 2 so that’s another 2 units carried.

[warm hazel]

City behind the hill to resupply doesn't sound too bad

[hybrid hazel]

We plan to hold HH and the mines area if possible

[astral nymph]

Yes, the only issue is. we can't split our HATs off mid combat... so unless their is an airbase ON the map. I'm unsure the HATs can do anything but drop off troops turn 1 of combat unless Syntax's BG builds an AF in that zone.... if there is not one there.

[silent glade]

we have quite a few vtols it seems lol

[astral nymph]

We do. yes.

[warm hazel]

Ah so we require an air field for hats

[astral nymph]

Just the right number 😄

[warm hazel]

So many air units and 2 perfect fighters to defend them

[hybrid hazel]

Hats can drop supplies into trucks cant they?

[warm hazel]

Yep

Up to that units cap

[queen tendon]

This is why I was suggesting splitting the bg into logi and combat

[warm hazel]

Heavy trucks could take medium supply up to them

[astral nymph]

Yes. The exception being Rugged Hats which can land at a Rugged Airfield, which our engineer CAN build... but we do not have any Rugged HATS in Armco atm.

YES. HATS can drop suppliesi nto trucks.

@queen tendon Yeah, it might be necessary, map and intel dependent.

I do not believe ARMCO hs any heavy trucks

[hybrid hazel]

Let’s see how many people this group obtains and what info recon brings back before we pre plan to much

[astral nymph]

Exactly right on that

[warm hazel]

I would get a heavy later if I had another to do the gimmick with

[snow python]

am I hearing this right? are our Logi creating another BG, who im now calling 'The Dwarf Runners'. so we can get supplies across the SratMap?

[winged dawn]

do we want to hold off until a day before the game starts. then we'll just rush through pushing our logi bg out

[knotty bramble]

It really is hard to balance it. One side no super carriers and aerospace only Bg.
On the other side no switching maps so TCOs and Shack don't go crazy
(love it when the reply resets itself)

[winged dawn]

basically the idea

[queen tendon]

It’s been suggested. But not in place

[astral nymph]

if were forced too, maybe. I'd like to avoid that casue it leaves that kind of BG snipable by enemies lol

[winged dawn]

dependant on a vote ofc

[velvet scarab]

I would also go heavy truck later when I have the points, trucks are cool

[hybrid hazel]

Split is a suggestion

For later if we decide logistics is Fed

[queen tendon]

I’ll sum it up real quick

[warm hazel]

Please don't make me drive without others around

I want my lowest target priority

And we can't have our armor following the trucks around

[winged dawn]

id be willing to run my LM into the logi BG if need be. we're fast enough to keep up im pretty sure

[warm hazel]

3 speed for logi

[winged dawn]

4 speed for LM

oorah

[warm hazel]

Sweet

Maybe then a lm and Logi runners?

Would be the only way I'm ok with splitting away. Would prefer sitting at the hill

[queen tendon]

Because we can’t confirm that we will have a source of supply near us here is what I’ve suggested:

we split dwarf fortress into two separate battlegrounds who work in tandem

One being the logi crew and the other being the combat. Reason being. If we are together then the logi units CANNOT leave the map everyone else is on in order to get supplies. If we split up, they are able to leave while the combat units stay in place doing the good work.

Now to clarify this is only a suggestion and I don’t want to force anyone to do anything. We also don’t need to decide right this second

[knotty bramble]

Interesting question would be if it is possible to go to another strat point, resupply and then return.
For example if the airfield is just in the next point

[queen tendon]

Only if the entire bg goes with them

[warm hazel]

Requires a bg to move as a whole

[knotty bramble]

That is if you have the Dwarf Runners

[astral nymph]

I think its still early in discussion. I'd rather not do that unless absolutely necessary as it would weaken the BG as a whole. But yeah. IF ITS NECESSARY. we do not have the intel for that at this moment.

And it's a moot point if Syntax's group decides to build an AF in the north.

[warm hazel]

Ah yeah they can split and return

[astral nymph]

Or if one exists.

[queen tendon]

Correct. If we get the dwarf trackstars, they could all leave and get supplies, then return to the map the combat is on for them to receive said supplies

[warm hazel]

AF would go so hard for the arty hill

[hybrid hazel]

For all we know we won’t even be fighting in the north if multiple landing points get secured by our forces right away

[queen tendon]

Genuine question. How would it weaken them? We’d still be the same amount of people working together, just with the added ability to move separately for supply runs

[hybrid hazel]

This entire scenario is up in the air

[warm hazel]

We will likely grind away at the city for several in game days

Cross our fingers we don't lose anyone

[winged dawn]

can we poll this?

[warm hazel]

And yeah as long as the two groups still work as a whole with the runners only ever leaving to resupply is sounds good on paper

[winged dawn]

see how many of us are willing.

[astral nymph]

Because if they ran into an enemy they would all die. Requiring protection units that decrease overall combat power.

[knotty bramble]

We have three requests/suggestions right now where to build.

• Your Base of operation. The northern mine
• Crossroads
• Cell'Dar Mine in the south
  The group itself hasn't yet discussed it in any substantial way

[winged dawn]

because either way, it can also be useful in another scenario of a fighting retreat. logi can retreat first while the Combat BG retreats last

[warm hazel]

Anything that is part of the runners NEEDS to leave with the runners any time they got to go get more supply

[hybrid hazel]

Let’s wait until this group is more so in its final stages of comp and members before we start splitting

[warm hazel]

So that does yank power from the front

[astral nymph]

And it's early for any decisions we do not have Intel yet.

[warm hazel]

So all 5 arty in the runners right?

[winged dawn]

no

[hybrid hazel]

Lol

[winged dawn]

.-.

[queen tendon]

Correct. I’m not suggesting we make a decision rn. I just had the idea and it would solve the logistical problems of our fighters as well

[astral nymph]

Whichever way it goes, you guys will be the most important people on the map

[velvet scarab]

Support arty

[warm hazel]

My goal? Haul arty to hill, spend every following action reloading them

[hybrid hazel]

I also suggested splitting earlier, but into 3 groups. Base, logi, frontline lol (still not wise to decide even remotely yet)

[winged dawn]

Arty goes into Combat BG so do most other combatants
Trucks, HATS, Maybe even VTOLS go into the logi BG.
Logi BG gets a skeleton crew escort

[knotty bramble]

Funny this is the second campaign Morpheus and me are the only ones with equipment that is seen as essential 😅
On Lussan we had both the backline equipment that allowed to build supply depots

[warm hazel]

I will blow through all 10 small supply

[queen tendon]

The splitting only matters if the groups need to be on separate maps

[warm hazel]

Woe had I the req quq

[hybrid hazel]

We may never need to be on separate maps. Our Hats could carry supplies from orbitals

Our trucks act as transport and storage

[queen tendon]

Orbitals that currently don’t exist lmao

[warm hazel]

If you hitch an arty from another BG does that mean the BGs are now locked together?

[knotty bramble]

Requires orbitals that are in the same Strat point

[hybrid hazel]

The two BGs would have to move together across regions

[astral nymph]

Which may yet happen. But currently our orbitals are just as stretched thin as bears

[warm hazel]

This war is gonna fund the great cargo hauler of yore

[winged dawn]

I would assume so. yes
my thought is that we all move together, drop the arty. then drop as much supp as we can and run back for more

the logi BG

[warm hazel]

Dang can't just steal other groups artys

[hybrid hazel]

You can’t just drop supplies on the ground can you?

[astral nymph]

Nope

[warm hazel]

Loot rats take it instantly

[winged dawn]

nah they have to go into an arty stockpile or similar

[queen tendon]

Side point: please call me out if I’m being too loud. I don’t wanna seem like I’m trying to tell people what to do, I never intend to. That was honestly my biggest pet peeve from the last campaigns, people bossing other people .

[warm hazel]

Needs to be fenced in

[hybrid hazel]

Yeah so, we should probably stick as one large force

And carry supplies in.

[warm hazel]

Apes together strong

[velvet scarab]

Trucks together vroom

[hybrid hazel]

I feel we’ll be able to get resupplied once the lines are drawn

[winged dawn]

by who though

[astral nymph]

Well know once we have some Intel and can maybe plan ss needed.

[silent glade]

nothing wrong or bossy with asking questions and conversing about the answers

[warm hazel]

I swear we are gonna swerve side to side the whole way there

Triple the milage

[winged dawn]

we go in together.
get to the hill mine

commit mitosis

logi goes back

[warm hazel]

Straight up abandon the war to just mine

[winged dawn]

combat builds fob and AF

[winged dawn]

can we? itd be so much simpler

[hybrid hazel]

Other groups I feel will run logistics to an extent also. There is multiple groups with HATs. And we may be able to clear areas before moving to possible resupply points before our large supply stores actually run out

[warm hazel]

Let's just grind req down in the mines. We just gotta ... Dig a lil deeper

[queen tendon]

There’s no dedicated logi group yet, so every other group will be confined to the “we have to stay on the same map as the rest of our bg” that we’re discussing

[winged dawn]

yeah but how much are they willing to share?

[warm hazel]

I swear I saw a Logi bg

[hybrid hazel]

We’re all on the same team. Sharing means victory

It’s not about hoarding resources

[winged dawn]

i think the ale is getting to you my guy

[queen tendon]

I could be wrong. I’ll check

[astral nymph]

I think we are worrying about this way too much right now without intel

[winged dawn]

A logi bg sounds like a unicorn rn

[hybrid hazel]

A medium produces limitless small supply, it’s about transport capacity over limit

[astral nymph]

No one can build a FOB right now

[winged dawn]

as long as a medium is supplied.. yeah
thats the part to think about

[queen tendon]

I definitely don’t mean they’ll be hoarding resources I’m just talking about the logistics of it getting to us. Their entire bg would have to pack up and move to us

[warm hazel]

We could also guess at random

[astral nymph]

Yes, that is currently what the Flying Shovels are doing. That has been their plan since they formed

[silent glade]

https://tenor.com/view/rare-as-unicorn-farts-unicorn-rainbow-rare-gif-12302749

[winged dawn]

fr

[hybrid hazel]

We are assuming we’re functionally solo on where we will be which I doubt

[warm hazel]

We have deep pockets. Let's see if our Logi back bone can fill them

[winged dawn]

i would actually say its more plausible then it sounds.

[warm hazel]

Lotta cargo in this bg

[winged dawn]

i dont think a lot of BGs will be taking anything other then the direct route to Ziyal

[hybrid hazel]

We plan to push northwards from the west currently, I believe another group was talking on doing the same

[winged dawn]

assuming ziyal is the goal

[hybrid hazel]

We also got people pushing the various settlements immediately

[warm hazel]

Assuming none of us die along the way of course

[winged dawn]

yeah BG 7, they're willing to push with us, but once we get to our space. theyre continuing to ziyal.
we have to fund their logi lol

[queen tendon]

Task force 2 is the logi group. They’re focusing on trying to get orbitals to provide LS I believe

[astral nymph]

I mean, therir might be a an AF at the mine already. I think we'll be fine.

[warm hazel]

Mine field

[queen tendon]

No

[warm hazel]

Never been so happy to see one

[queen tendon]

Never a mine field

[hybrid hazel]

Depends on how Ziyal is we may reinforce them

[warm hazel]

ùwù

[winged dawn]

possible, true. we'll have to see though

[hybrid hazel]

We plan to hold the northern passes, but it may be better to support in assaults. So really, we should be prepared to be flexible

[snow python]

well luckily logi trucks can coordinate with HATS to supply drop SS onto them. so so long as we can coordinate with the supposed Logi TF that will hopfully be formed. we should be able to get supplies regardless.

[winged dawn]

i think thats well taken care of though.
we have like 3-4 QRF if anything we'll be pulling the back line the entire time

[astral nymph]

Yeah and once we deploy somewhere. EVEN IN THE WORST CASE. 1 resupply is 130 supply...

Combined with initial, that is far more small supply then we will need.

[hybrid hazel]

Even with 5 arty, medical, engineering and repairs our full up small supply should carry us well

[astral nymph]

and keep in mind. This is a TEST still for V5 of the rules. I am aokay with things going wrong as we go. part of the process.

[hybrid hazel]

Maybe we’ll be lucky and the mines do support supplies and we just end up guarding the mines against bots if they keep pushing the north

[astral nymph]

We'll find out 😄

[queen tendon]

For better or for worse

[vivid vessel]

Just a side note, I was crunching some numbers, and if we get one more truck to haul arty, and we're crossing into a zone with an airfield, we should be able to get 3 speed by packing our heavy vehicles into the HATs

Should we need to

[astral nymph]

Yep, if we need do JET across the map. we have that capability. I think we'll be good at speed 2 on Strat Map

[minor solar]

If push comes to shove we can still rush with the units that have to move on foot.

[hybrid hazel]

I wonder how fast Ultra is moving if they also plan to push north

Since we should probably move with them

[queen tendon]

What if we all pile into one VTOL and leave our vehicles behind

Thoughts?

Half of you won’t have seatbelts but that’s fine

[warm hazel]

Taking a look at the plans of other battle groups there is two real big qrfs

We should be pretty safe

[hybrid hazel]

guess we got a group motto now if the mines do create supplies lol

[astral nymph]

We shall see. If we are taking it from the bots, they might already have stuff there. We will find otu as we get intell soon* tm

as is, we have a very effective fighting force with enough supply to last us a few turns, worst case scenarios

[warm hazel]

If we dry up instantly we have a ton of supply to dig into

We likely will use most of it at the start of the hill on engineers

[astral nymph]

I'll do a count for what we have shortly, bit more indepth but I think were in a fine spot

[warm hazel]

Count one more Logi truck for when my other buddy wakes up

[hybrid hazel]

we may still get a few more people joining us, I still got a buddy who was interested in joining. I am not sure what he plans to be however

[warm hazel]

I couldn't talk him outta the role if I wanted to

[astral nymph]

I am assuming that at the moment.

And yep we might still get a few more.

[hybrid hazel]

I wish I could help with logistics more as infantry lol. but I'm just 6 dudes with rifles. not even a knife between them

[astral nymph]

We are not technically full. I was merely commenting that what we have as it stands is a very competent force

[warm hazel]

Too bad you can't hold a box

And how many slots left?

[hybrid hazel]

I would carry a supply with each of my guys if I could on their backs lol.

literally backpack it in

Infantry upgrade idea: Packmule robot, carry 1 supply

[astral nymph]

That exists for Mechs. I almost got it, but i chose Fists to help construct things instead

[hybrid hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-doggo-cute-funny-dog-gif-13088088

[warm hazel]

Wait fists lets you construct? Dang that is cool

So you are kinda like an engi light mech?

[astral nymph]

Yep. Fists give me +1 build action, and a 1d2 dice in a melee combat... so I can support Kommando if needed... since hes the only unit with melee weapons

[polar shore]

The orbital drop infantry can get supply packs and a supply drop pod last I checked

[hybrid hazel]

to bad I'm not orbital drop and that also requires an orbital

[polar shore]

Indeed

[warm hazel]

Hell yeah, does that mean I can reload you like I would an engineer for building supply cost?

[astral nymph]

? nooo I have no reload. Just handsy to help build. I am a forklift basically

[warm hazel]

Oh wait alright I understood that wrong my bad

[astral nymph]

or a crane??? I can assist in constructions so... if Beards was to build that AF for us. I can assist in the total number of actions needed to build.

[hybrid hazel]

also quick question, what is the purpose of Power armour infantry? they get like 1 armour but only 3 guys (so max 3 damage without heavy wepons?), wouldn't a roll of 4 from an attack instantly wipe it out? why not just be regular infantry? lol. I was planning to refit into them at some point but i'm not sure what purpose they serve exactly

[warm hazel]

Aye, I will need to reload the engineers supply then

Also we are now leading in chat activity by almost 2k

[astral nymph]

They have armor and a can take vehicle weapon mounts and stuff

[warm hazel]

3 hits per force also

[hybrid hazel]

so its mostly the weapon access?

when you read it it seems to imply each guy gets deaded after a hit since the hits and FP is combined?

or does each guy get 3 hits?

[astral nymph]

Correct. so basically each FS is a hit

[warm hazel]

Naw it says each guy gets 3

[astral nymph]

oh.. id have to read it fully

[warm hazel]

Yep it makes it hard to kill one of em from what I read

One of the few perks aside from cool gunss

[astral nymph]

YEah no each HIT is an FS

[queen tendon]

Each hit lowers you FS by one

[warm hazel]

Ah dame really? Might have read it wrong myself then

[hybrid hazel]

"with each hit lowers an FS"

[astral nymph]

but that means they can't be overkilled. so even if they have 3 and roll a 1 on damage and they get assaulted by an infantry who rolls a 6 on damage... they just lose 1 FS and are not killed outright

[warm hazel]

Ah most you can lose is one at a time

Per attack

[astral nymph]

that FS can be brought back with medics... meaning they are quite versatile. And they can dig in like infantry, while have vehicle sized weapons

[hybrid hazel]

Ah