Battlegroup 3/13 - The Storm Blessed: Comms

[cunning aurora]

honestly us not getting 1 shot if we get hit will be the difference

also the 2 turn option will allow us to not send down any damaged vtol, only when it's safe to descend

the AA turrets on titan 1 shot the HATs

[untold pine]

Hey, I mean we have like 15 VTOLs, so if only 4 of us go down, that’s 11 that will hit the ground

[cunning aurora]

yeah but also 4 units insta dead...

[quartz bridge]

oh, all 15 are hitting the ground, it's just a matter of being in one piece

[untold pine]

lol

[heady plaza]

AA has like a 50% chance of shooting down any given VTOL, it'll be hopefully not too bad.

[storm basin]

I hope I come out in one piece

[hollow canopy]

50% is pretty bad odds...

[heady plaza]

*8

[cunning aurora]

Boots on the ground
Yeah i'm sure they're on the ground.... somewhere

[quartz bridge]

I thought it was 75% hit

[rancid tundra]

makes sense to only count the passengers since the vtols got a chance to not be hit

[heady plaza]

I mean, if they have 16 AA guns, we're pretty screwed either way

[cunning aurora]

huh? how do you figure?

[heady plaza]

75% hit, 50% down. Assuming the standard 1d4 damage.

[untold pine]

Yeah, we just got to hope that we have more than they do

[hollow canopy]

Didn't we do the math on like, Quad AA Guns?

[cunning aurora]

we have 2 hits. all they can do is damage us

[quartz bridge]

no, damage applies to force strength, only takes out 1 hit

[storm basin]

Unless there’s 2 aa guns

[cunning aurora]

they won't target the same VTOL

[quartz bridge]

16 AA guns

[heady plaza]

Oh? Oops, sorry, used to FS.

[storm basin]

okay then

[cunning aurora]

500 AA Guns

[storm basin]

Yeah FS is not the same as hits

[heady plaza]

If they have more than 16 AA guns, we're screwed.

[hollow canopy]

For reference, the Airfield that killed like 17 units on Titan was only what? 6 AA Guns? 7?

[storm basin]

vehicles have hits as giving ‘em FS would be stupidly weak

[hollow canopy]

We should be fine, cause HATs can't suffer any hits, right?

[cunning aurora]

Great. They'll damage 7 of the VTOLs. They'll stay landed

[heady plaza]

HATs are 1 hit 0 armor.

We are 2 hits 1 armor. We'll hopefully be fine.

[hollow canopy]

Ya, so we can get all the ground forces deployed regardless.

[heady plaza]

ENGI starts repairing the damaged ones.

[storm basin]

tbh HATs are basically massive planes

[hollow canopy]

And according to previous ops, "Heavy AA" is around 7 AA units

[cunning aurora]

exactly.

[storm basin]

I will, if it’s not like half our unit count

Since… I dunno if I can repair 8 vehicles solo

[hollow canopy]

Oh... Ya... About that...

You'll have the supplies, at least!

[strange sigil]

500 wrenches

[storm basin]

True

[cunning aurora]

Wait. It only shows repairing as an action, not a primary action.

[hollow canopy]

Do that funneh Tech Priest thing where they build themselves more arms, so you can do more repairs faster

[heady plaza]

Oh it probably will be if it's heavy AA.

Let's say 3 damaged by 4 guns for a moderate estimate.

[cunning aurora]

means you can repair 2 per turn

[heady plaza]

If they land on the same spot. Which they won't be.

[quartz bridge]

then I remembered AA has AP 1

[hollow canopy]

They'll probably be all clustered together.

[storm basin]

Yeah I can, but then I gotta collect supplies as well

[cunning aurora]

They only need to be in range of you

[storm basin]

So it’s basically I can repair fully for 2 turns

[heady plaza]

It what

... now I'm questioning how I didn't die in the training campaign.

[upbeat lily]

If we are basing the robots off the Automatons from Helldivers 2, their AA batteries are 3 per

[storm basin]

then resupply and repair once

[cunning aurora]

every single (normal) VTOL you're repairing can replenish your supply

[storm basin]

My unit also is mostly robots… so please do watch who you attack

[hollow canopy]

Man, I wish I got some training. =v=

[storm basin]

Don’t I need to grab it or do they replenish it for me?

-# smaller campaigns don’t really use these functions

[cunning aurora]

@little grail You want to leave us? 😢
-# Just joking, if you want to roleplay as the red cross you go!

[hollow canopy]

D: My health insurance!

[little grail]

It's just an idea lmao, just seeing if there's interest

I'm more than happy to be your flight medic

[hollow canopy]

Worse comes to worse, we could improvise Evacuations in this Battlegroup, we certainly have the VTOLs to do it

[little grail]

We sure do

[heady plaza]

These no rules against TACCOMing a group you aren't part of, it's just really awkward because you have to read 2 maps.

[cunning aurora]

I don't understand what you're saying. I see this as an unforgivable betrayal
-# /s
I'll only let Omniade heal me 😤

[little grail]

lmao

[hollow canopy]

x3

[heady plaza]

You should allow IFV but disallow Mechs - better transport.

[cunning aurora]

personal too

personal betrayal

[little grail]

Ah crap, didn't think about mech

[cunning aurora]

can't find a good medic these days

IFVs (which are more APCs) are great Medevac vehicles

[vast lodge]

I think you say which supplies your using

[heady plaza]

Also, what air ambulance - half the VTOLs in the fleet are tied up here already.

[cunning aurora]

VTOLs will say they're giving you their supply afterwards.

[hollow canopy]

So maybe the VTOL Distribution is a bit skewed this campaign, that's fine though!

[little grail]

That's what I was kind of thinking lmao

[cunning aurora]

That's like saying MBT distribution is skewed.

[storm basin]

Tig wouldn’t their supply max me out?

[little grail]

Mayyyybe we consider sharing the VTOL's and pivot to some HAT's?

[cunning aurora]

or Orbital distribution is skewed

[storm basin]

If them supplying me 1 maxes me out, when I am using my last 2 supplies they should resupply

[cunning aurora]

then just one gives you their 2 supply

[storm basin]

or if it’s 1:1 then that also works

[hollow canopy]

True

[fiery summit]

not feasable with our long term goals of being a QRF

[quartz bridge]

HATs are no good

[little grail]

Was just a thought lmao

[hollow canopy]

Ya, the VTOLs are like, our hard cap basically. =v=

[upbeat lily]

HATs would just be parajumpers then bye have a nice day

[quartz bridge]

problem is they have to stick with us

[cunning aurora]

HATs require Airfield. A core tenant of the BG is Airfield independance

[little grail]

That's true

Was just thinking out loud

[hollow canopy]

Now that I think about it, we may have to assist the other Defensive-focused Battlegroups like Shovels and Dwarf Fortress if the Points of Interest they want to fortify already have hostiles...

After landing and getting ARMCO off the Starport, that is

[little grail]

Our first objective in that case would be airfield/starport seizure

[fiery summit]

that is pretty much our overall MO anywys

[hollow canopy]

Ya, this is assuming we already have Elim's Starport secured

True

[fiery summit]

as a QRF it's our job to plug the gaps that inevitably arise

[untold pine]

I mean, I do have a thought. What if we organized our VTOLS after landing, and have ones that are strictly sticking with our main group, and the rest could support other groups as needed?

[fiery summit]

we've got too few VTOLs for that (suprisingly)

we're already a bit effed if one VTOL gets shoot down without it's inf onboard as now those guys are kinda stranded

[untold pine]

Yeah

And that might kill my other thought

[fiery summit]

share it anyways a bad idea is still an idea that could merit changing our current plan

not saying your idea is bad before it gets shared

[untold pine]

I had the thought, if the situation arises where we need more supplies we just unload a few to go and gather more from the ships and then regroups with our BG

[little grail]

The good news is that we're incredibly fast as a heliborne unit

The bad news is that we're so fast we're gonna beat everyone there

[quartz bridge]

nah, we're giving supplies not taking

[heady plaza]

Then we'll be back to needing an Airfield/Spaceport, which is what got us into this mess.

[hollow canopy]

It's unlikely we'd need to get more supplies, unless we either lose a handful somehow or more likely, another nearby Battlegroup ate a bunch of them.

And I guess the big issue is we don't have spare VTOLs, every VTOL has a unit they're responsible for moving and since we're a reactionary force, we have to be ready to redeploy at any time.

[little grail]

That's also a thing.

[hollow canopy]

And we don't even use that many supplies. Only the Engineers and Medics in our Battlegroup use supplies. (I'm not sure if the Armor does)

[heady plaza]

Good news: we'll probably be the first on the ground!

Bad news: we'll probably be the pathfinder team for the rest of the force.

Worse news: we have crap Intel and minimal support.

[storm basin]

Even worse news: We have no real support assets

[heady plaza]

Armor does not, thankfully.

[hollow canopy]

Ya, so, I can see the Engineer gobbling up supplies, but even than, we'd have 26 of it and Engineers carry 4 I think.

[fiery summit]

yeah i think us acting as a QRF also can help us supply other units, as their engies can build fortifications while our mainly inf forces can dig in for a bit and leave

[heady plaza]

Correct. We have 30 SS + 2SS equivalent for medics.

[storm basin]

Tbh I’m only gonna gobble supply if we keep getting shot by AA

Since its a 1:1 ratio with repairs

[hollow canopy]

Ya, we might help supply whoever we're reinforcing later on, by virtue of having too much supply and VTOLs willing to help. (At that point, we would need to consider a resupply, but given how our Task Forces are right now, I don't think we even have something to resupply the VTOLs with)

[upbeat lily]

I mean, if we only have one or two medics, could always fill VTOLs with multiple units as casualties mount xD

[hollow canopy]

I think I saw something somewhere that you couldn't merge squads into one vehicle, IE: You couldn't cram 2 Infantry Squads into a VTOL that only fits one, even if the FS fits.

[upbeat lily]

That would be odd, since I would think if there was two infantry squads at 3 FS each, they should be able to fit on one VTOL

[hollow canopy]

Maybe, I'm not sure. =v= I certainly didn't understand it at the time.

[quartz bridge]

certainly you can't split one group into two transports

[hollow canopy]

Oh, maybe that was it

[vast lodge]

The limit is fs so you could fit 2 power armour in a vtol

[hollow canopy]

:D Then it works out. I mean, not well for me, because I'm Infantry and that implies my unit is wounded, but ya :D

[quartz bridge]

Oh, really? 😊 hopeful

[storm basin]

Well as they take 3 FS

3 x2 =6 FS

[heady plaza]

Eh? I thought we could, that's how we did some transport during Training.

[hollow canopy]

:O Well, I didn't do any training!

[quartz bridge]

We've barely unlocked tech; breathing.

[storm basin]

Training? That’s so overrated, I had to get my training repairing the Confidence while we were battered by missiles from angry salvagers, truly the most dangerous force in the world

[lean berry]

BG Dwarf Fortress Flying Shovels is planning on setting up an Airfield, so there is that

[hollow canopy]

Eh, if we're in the area, maybe, but these supplies are for us first. (Mainly because we don't have a way to get more supplies for the VTOLs yet)

But if we're in the area and they need some, we'll sort out how much we can spare.

[lean berry]

I was noting the Flying Shovels and Airfields because if there's a supplied airfield, we can land there to restock.

[quartz bridge]

We have so many supplies, I'd honestly be happy for someone to take them off our hands.😅

[hollow canopy]

Oh, true, Airfields use like, Large Supply and vomit out unlimited Small Supply during that, right?

[frank ore]

everyone talking about casualties like the pay for this mission isnt enough to buy your unit again and then some

[lean berry]

You say that now...

[quartz bridge]

assuming we win the war in the first place

[frank ore]

fair enough

[quartz bridge]

Supplies are for sharing, change my mind.

[lean berry]

Yep, consume 1 Large Supply every two rounds to allow unlimited Medium and Small supply

[mossy cloak]

Morpheus got even the large supply depot so 3 rounds of operation before we need more Large Supply

[hollow canopy]

Ya, we'll see if we end up down there (Ideally, they wouldn't need the help of an Airborne QRF, but that's a bit wishful thinking), we'll probably help fill some logi orders.

Although that also implies we'll be fighting in the area, so... You know

[deep bobcat]

with medium supply (deliverable with HVTOL) and a upgraded engi you can make a FOB, which also provides limitless small supply. But that'd require a combat engi which aren't available most of the time.

[hollow canopy]

I was thinking of buying a unit of Combat Engineers with the Reqs from this campaign...

[deep bobcat]

I'd love to have been a combat engi... But alas I never succesfully entered previous missions...

[quartz bridge]

I thought you were looking at orbital transport?

eh, that's what I'm eyeing regardless

[hollow canopy]

With 5 Reqs? I can afford Crew and Engineers

[quartz bridge]

aight, I'll go captain methinks

[hollow canopy]

I was originally thinking going Medics or Engineers, but got off-put because they were unarmed. (And I didn't start with the Reqs to arm them)

And I dunno about getting a full Orbital and Captain, that seems expensive. And I can more or less get whatever I want by brining a Crew with the upgrades I wanted anyway for cheaper than putting it on my own ship.

[quartz bridge]

Join me, and we can rule the galaxy together!

[hollow canopy]

Let's finish this campaign first before we figure out we're doing for the next.

[quartz bridge]

fair

[hollow canopy]

But I was thinking Crew with Infantry Barracks or maybe the Drop Pods. =v= Or hell, just a Cargo Bay. We seem to be really short on those.

[cunning aurora]

@frank ore Did you see? We got you a Special Force to carry 😄

[frank ore]

im an HVTOL how is that going to work?

[cunning aurora]

never mind

[frank ore]

lol np

[shut lodge]

Hey tig votes looking in your favour right now don’t wanna get your hopes up

But it is looking like we will punch a hole through the asteroids for you

And a hole through anyone there

[cunning aurora]

Nice. And can we expect a scan on Elim turn 1? It would allow us to properly plan turn 2

[shut lodge]

I think so let me double check who has it

[ashen crypt]

Awesome. If the fleet can make a hole for us, we can fly straight down to Elim's spaceport.

[cunning aurora]

straight down is relative. i think the current plan would be to go above elim turn 1, send down just the stealth vtol to drop the sf to scout, then send the cavalry turn 2

[ashen crypt]

Perfect.

[shut lodge]

@cunning aurora ALX has a scanner and intercept turret so I think you can we just gotta figure out what their range is. We’re not sure if it’s tactical or strategic

[cunning aurora]

Scanner System or Directional Sensor Suite?

[quartz bridge]

High orbit is one zone per tactical map right?

[shut lodge]

sigh damn it One sec

[cunning aurora]

If I understand you correctly: Yes. Every tactical map has 1 high orbit map

[shut lodge]

Scanner

[cunning aurora]

"Used to scan a target or area and gather information about said target or area.
Can be used from high orbit against ground targets. Range 2 on tactical map, can scan from high orbit to ground. When scanning a specific target declare what information your looking for. If scanning an area, declare the area. Area scans only reveal FOG and hostile locations.
Primary Action: Scan Target"

I'm like 99% sure that's tacitcal scale

[shut lodge]

Shit so it wouldn’t be until turn two that we could scan unless we burn a large supply to push ourselves to speed two

[little grail]

If we go first, how soon can we get help on the ground?

We're fast and light, but we need some muscle take a defended airfield.

[shut lodge]

You’re on your own until you take the starport

Unless we get a designated transport task force

The only way the NPC transports can land is with the starport

[little grail]

So the big hurdle right now is orbital transport

[hollow canopy]

Well, for everyone else. That's why we're going in first.

[ashen crypt]

I don't mind waiting a turn for intel/support before we make planetfall.

[hollow canopy]

Well, Victorium can only get us our scan on Turn 2, at which point, we'd be deploying on Turn 3 with everyone else (If the Starport is still functional.)

[cunning aurora]

Is that on the table? I know LS is very limited, but the faster we can get everyone deployed the better. And flying blindly down to the surface feels like a really bad idea.

[shut lodge]

We could try to get you turn one if we burn a large supply, let me redo the math

[quartz bridge]

Did we confirm that in-game turns are 2/week? Thought that was IRL turns.

[heady plaza]

The remainder of ARMCO is only deploying if the starports are secure

Battlegroups who don't have Taskforce Transport will only arrive if we have secured a Starport to land the Automated Transport Freighters.

[hollow canopy]

I mean, if we fail to secure the Starport, the entire Ops kinda over, isn't it?

[shut lodge]

Then we will have to burn our supply to get people down which then means no ammo for anyone

[shut lodge]

We’re discussing it now we gave ourselves two extra supply we weren’t allowed to touch. We’re talking about dipping into that for this.

[little grail]

Would it be better if we sent in one of the heavier BG's first?

[hollow canopy]

Can't, not until a Task Force is capable of actually transporting them over.

[cunning aurora]

How?! We're the only BG capable of deploying ourselves.

[heady plaza]

They don't have self-deployment capability.

The only other one that does is the Engineering Corp (Shovels) that is setting up an airfield.

[cunning aurora]

Well shovels can too, but they're not better off than us

[little grail]

Gotcha, was just asking

[hollow canopy]

I guess a better question is if the Elim Starport is already held by friendlies or not? It would make since that's probably where the Last Stand for them would be. If they can hold out until 3 Turns, we'd be free to deploy and act as needed without having to dive onto the Starport

[lean berry]

I do like the idea of Victorum getting us turn 1 scans, but I think it might be better for y'all to conserve your Large Supply and clear a path through the and we can hot drop our Spec Ops VTOL and Special Forces turn 1 on one part of Elim City (West Elim?)

[shut lodge]

Unfortunately, that’s another part of information we don’t have we can hope and I desperately hope Shaq will give us the ability to get a little more Intel

[heady plaza]

Again, crap intel that is 3 weeks outdated and missing critical information.

we don't even know if ELIM has a starport.

[hollow canopy]

Kinda why we're pressing Victorium, just to get us some intel. Hopefully we do get more and the need to scan isn't required.

[quartz bridge]

Can AA hit high orbit?

[lean berry]

Negative

[fiery summit]

takes a lot more energy to hit something in orbit than something flying low

[quartz bridge]

makes sense

[little grail]

Do we have ODT drop capability?

I know we have the troopers

[cunning aurora]

No :/

[hollow canopy]

No

Haven't seen any Orbitals with Drop Bays yet

[shut lodge]

Debates going back-and-forth we’re trying to figure out if we’re gonna burn the LS

Cheese has a heavy drop pod, I believe

[hollow canopy]

Heavy Drop Pods are only for vehicles though

[shut lodge]

And PAI

Tig you wanna come make your case?

Sorry just realised how bad that sounds. 😅

[quartz bridge]

Now, the different colors on the planet are each 1 move to cross? Is it 1 move per map line in space? What's the move cost for orbiting or deorbiting?

[heady plaza]

Orbit-Deorbit should still be normal rules (1/2 of tactical)

Different colors should be 1 movement on strategic

[quartz bridge]

1/2 of tactical means what? 1/2 move?

[heady plaza]

Yes.

[shut lodge]

Would you guys be willing to do around two landing or do you really need to do round one?

[cunning aurora]

You mean land after 2? Because we need the intel before we give our orders to land

[quartz bridge]

I think the plan was R2 was ok?

[upbeat lily]

I guess it depends on if we can get a scan from an orbital

[cunning aurora]

So if the earliest you can give us a scan is turn 2. Then the earliest we last will be turn 3

[shut lodge]

Right so R3 landing which damn that would be rough

[cunning aurora]

exactly, means turn 4 BGs can start to arrive if we completely clear out the space port

[quartz bridge]

I still haven't seen confirmed how many turns a week in-game is.

[heady plaza]

That... hopefully shouldn't be too bad, I'm okay with that.

If more intel comes in, we can pivot.

[heady plaza]

Again, we only get to deploy BGs if we secure a starport. Time isn't as relevant.

[quartz bridge]

the question is on the Q&A doc part 2, but no answer rn

[fiery summit]

The longer we stay in our VTOLs in space the longer the enemy has to kill us while we're undefendedd. Are we sticking with Victorum with this plan?

[heady plaza]

We would be escorted by TF Victorum until we make landfall.

[fiery summit]

ok good, still worry about getting shot at but having the big ships will make that less of a worry

[hollow canopy]

I think we can afford to delay, do our information gathering on Turn 2 and then figure it out on Turn 3 for Landings. To be honest, we shouldn't care when the other Battlegroups deploy, just that if they can deploy or not.

[cunning aurora]

Right now the debate at Victorium is if they spend 1 LS to get there end of turn 1, so they can scan the city turn 1 and we can descend turn 2. Otherwise it'll all be pushed back a day.

[hollow canopy]

I don't think the Bots will manage to do too much if we give them a day, mainly early on.

[heady plaza]

True. They already have 2-3 weeks prep against us...

[hollow canopy]

An extra day isn't going to hurt us. (Hell, we won't even know the difference with how awful our intel is)

[crude lodge]

Hello
I am newbie looking for a place to help as an artillery unit would someone needing an artillery piece?

[storm basin]

being real… we don’t have any HVTOLs

[cunning aurora]

1 day is 1 day. No matter if it's in the beginning or the ending. If the BGs arrive 1 day earlier in Elim it'll be 1 round earlier they can move to Crossroads. 1 turn earlier they can start entrenching. 1 turn earlier they can be agressive.

[quartz bridge]

not in stormblessed, no artillery needed

[heady plaza]

STORM is airmobile assault - we don't have the ability take Arty with us.

Sorry!

[hollow canopy]

Sorry, Artillery isn't the best fit here. :O Battlegroups Dwarf Fortress, Redwall and I think Ultra are all taking Artillery though! (Among others I may have missed)

[storm basin]

Hate to be that voice of opposition, but if the situation is as dire as some believe it is, a day may be what makes or breaks everything. If we spend too long fretting about what the situation will be, we risk losing crucial moments during the planet’s siege

[crude lodge]

I see don't worry I understand have a smooth land see you on the battlefield guys

[hollow canopy]

Oh boy, I hope our landing goes smoothly...

[storm basin]

Mostly as with the time we wait, for all we know Ziyal may be getting overrun (or already lost) which risks us being pushed instantly to the Crossroads and Haydar Village, as well as possibly making the Cell’dar mines practically lost

[hollow canopy]

If Elim's getting attacked, Ziyal's gonna be done by the time we get boots on the ground.

[storm basin]

Also… actual question, I see we have 2 mines on the map… as these people relied on thermal power from the planet’s core… Could the mines connect to each other or even cities?

[fiery summit]

i doubt but it's a possibility

[hollow canopy]

No idea!

[cunning aurora]

We don't even know if they've taken over a city. How the hell would we know....

[hollow canopy]

Uggggh

[fiery summit]

mines are usually focused on mining, not connecting to places

[storm basin]

Fair, but I’m just voicing something I realised

[hollow canopy]

We should stick with the worst possible outcome as our plan then, then change it as intel comes in. (If anything, it'll be a relief if the news is any degree of good)

[storm basin]

as it literally says heated and powered by geo-thermal activity from the planet’s core

[quartz bridge]

non-sequiter

[untold pine]

Don’t worry, most of us VTOL pilots are young, dumb, and full of surprises. For example the good ole classic barrel roll

[storm basin]

Oh… Mal’s not going to enjoy this

[untold pine]

Who is Mal?

[storm basin]

Mal is my character, short for Do’malrion

-# It’s a pain to type, k?

[untold pine]

Ah, lol, I get it. Are you infantry?

[storm basin]

No I’m our only engineer unit

So… I guess

-# It depends if ya mean ground units or actual fighting units

[fiery summit]

that doesn't mean tunnels, that means hot spots. Iceland has a tone of geothermal and you don't see mines connecting their cities

[untold pine]

😂 Welp, Talon 1 and you are going to know each other very well I guess.

[quartz bridge]

I think mines means ore, not geothermal.

[storm basin]

Well… okay I don’t know geography tbh

But I do hold doubts that the mines lack importance

Either they’re just recourse hubs the bots may use, or could have some hidden boons we don’t know of
-# But that’s a personal theory, though I may be wrong

[quartz bridge]

oh, we reckon they're important alright

[storm basin]

The only other importance we may know of currently is that it could have civilians

[quartz bridge]

civvies and bot replication

[storm basin]

Good hiding place, off the side so hard to reach, good and bad in our case,

[vast lodge]

I’m just going to bring it up we could if need join space battles if needed and board every thing that moves

Which considering how few ships we have might be needed

[quartz bridge]

Notably the only ground route to Cell'Dar Mine is through Ziyal, so Storm Blessed may need to head that front.

[heady plaza]

That's a secondary concern once we have secured a spaceport and gotten some preliminary repairs done.

[quartz bridge]

after Elim of course

[hollow canopy]

Bleh, am back

So is Victorium gonna burn the LS or not?

[shut lodge]

…..

Still debating

[hollow canopy]

Democracy!

[shut lodge]

Most of the arguments are coming down till we don’t have enough information. People are worried if the campaign goes for too long. We’ll run out of LS.

[heady plaza]

Legit concer.

[hollow canopy]

Ya... I think we can't really come to a decision until we get more information (Err, if we get more information)

[shut lodge]

We still have a while so I think we should get some more information

[quartz bridge]

Though if another TF gets running they could escort us instead. 🤔

[hollow canopy]

Just us being told something about Elim would render the decision moot.

[shut lodge]

Yeah, if we get told they don’t have a star port that makes everyone’s life easier

Well, actually harder, but it makes this one decision easier

[hollow canopy]

Ya...

[quartz bridge]

especially if it's faster

[hollow canopy]

Still, it'll make planning a bit more concrete.

[heady plaza]

Zero interest in that rn, which is concerning.

[storm basin]

Or even hearing that Elim is held by the planetary government would be blessing

[little grail]

Let's come up with a primary plan of execution, and an alternate.

Something we can all agree on.

[hollow canopy]

Well, the primary plan is what we are debating on

[storm basin]

That would literally void all fears about lack of entry

[little grail]

Tracking, sorry, trying to catch up

[hollow canopy]

The big issue is do we use one of Victorium's Large Supplies to get us our scan faster? Or do we delay everything by a turn?

[cunning aurora]

The plan is basically decided. It's mostly a debate around if Victorum spends a LS to do it all one turn earlier

[storm basin]

I’m going off good night, I’ll be checking in a while, if we reached a consensus

[hollow canopy]

Ya

And like I said, if we get more intel on Elim, we may not even need the scan anyway.

[vast lodge]

And I guess how much intel can we get form orbit with a scan

[quartz bridge]

or the maybe suicidal option of going in blind 😅

[hollow canopy]

People already made that mistake on Titan, I don't plan on repeating it.

[vast lodge]

You can’t steal my job

[weary apex]

Sorry haven't looked at the chat for a couple of hours, what has been the decisions?

[little grail]

Trying to catch up still, what was the determination on sending Mathez down via SFVTOL

[hollow canopy]

It'll happen at the same time Victorium does their scan, so they'll drop a turn ahead and drop off their SF, which should give us some more vision as well

[lean berry]

@cunning aurora @y'all

To summarize; Turn 1 maneuver to West Elim City high orbit and have @feral yoke descend to drop off @vast lodge's Special Forces Aurora would be best for speed+safety.
Hopefully with @shut lodge convincing Victorum to burn a Large Supply and escort us, but at least clearing the way through Field Nav 1.
Thoughts?

[hollow canopy]

That, sounds like our plan, ya... Although both our Battlegroup and Victorium would like more intel to adjust the plan first, but if we don't get any intel, I think that's our game plan.

[cunning aurora]

This is literally already the plan

including the hoping that victorum burns a LS

[slow hazel]

Hard sell on that one lmao

[cunning aurora]

I'm glad we came up with the same plan though

[lean berry]

I wanted it summarized

[shut lodge]

If we get more ships I think we will be less concerned with burning one extra LS it’s just that for right now one LS is a LOT

[lean berry]

Also noting the "turn 1 deploy of SF" regardless of Victorum's presence

[hollow canopy]

Pray more Orbitals show up over the week, I guess. =v="

[cunning aurora]

[hollow canopy]

You might need to fight with the other two Task Forces that also need them... At this rate, I should just get a Captain with this Campaign's Reqs...

[shut lodge]

Victorum needs them more just because we’re a combat TF

Hopefully the other will be at least somewhat back line

[lean berry]

There are two other TFs looking to form, currently

[weary apex]

That could stretch the orbitals thin

But oh well, it's midnight here, gn y'all, talk to you tomorrow

[hollow canopy]

Bai bai fren :D

[little grail]

Sounds like a plan. If my pilot @strange sigil is amenable, we can be on alert status for a rescue should our SF team find a problem.

[strange sigil]

Yep, wouldn't mind lending a hand, I'm an unupgraded vtol so I don't have much to lose lol

[untold pine]

Perfect. Just make sure to remind us before the stuff is due next week

[cunning aurora]

Thoughts?

[heady plaza]

Motto to consider:

Ex cœlis (Latin for 'from the sky')

[cunning aurora]

I can't do concacted letters

[heady plaza]

Since Southpaw is literally making BG-Pathfinders, we'll let them take the "Always First/First In" motto.

[heady plaza]

Coelis is an alternate spelling.

[cunning aurora]

Do you feel the latin vibe on this?

Idk i feel like it should be something more modern

[heady plaza]

This can also be read more arrogantly as "from the heavens".

[cunning aurora]

Regis Caeli - Kings of the sky

Benedicti Tempestate - Blessed by the storm

[heady plaza]

Eh- we are kinda already with the lightning motif... which makes me think of Zeus and thr Greek gods, and their Roman counterparts.

[cunning aurora]

idk jupiter doesn't have the same vibe as zeus imo

[heady plaza]

"Same Day Delivery" /jk

[cunning aurora]

Dei Voluntate Cadunt - By god's will, they fall

[cunning aurora]

Traditio Die Eodem - To deliver on the same day

that's not a

🤔

that's a

[heady plaza]

I don't have :thonk:, sadly.

[cunning aurora]

[fiery summit]

🩴k

[heady plaza]

... okay, the reason why I suggested this is because this is an actual motto for some airmobile forces.

[cunning aurora]

Yeah but the whole fun of this is to come up with our own mottos

Otherwise i'll just throw up a sword with wings and we say "who dares wins"

-# please tell me you get the reference

-# that took a bit too long

[fiery summit]

Who cares [who] wins

[cunning aurora]

new logo

[fiery summit]

i don't know the motto but I know emblems well enough to know the SAS when I hear it described

[cunning aurora]

^^ that's the SAS one

The SAS Series is quite enjoyable if y'all are keen.

[fiery summit]

I always have thought of the gold one but that blue/red look is clean

[cunning aurora]

Mine is from the Wikipedia one.

dunno which is the 'proper' color

[fiery summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[heady plaza]

"Skyfall"

[cunning aurora]

Caelocadum feels like a mouthfull

[fiery summit]

If it's the only thing then it's good but it'd be too long in a sentence

[cunning aurora]

I'm still a fan of Benedicti Tempestate
our motto but in latin

[fiery summit]

seems best of the options imo

[cunning aurora]

Dei Voluntate Cadunt - By god's will, they fall

not sure about religious association though, invoking god directly instead of just using blessed

[heady plaza]

Steal ATC motto "someone to call" /jk

[golden owl]

evening comrades

[cunning aurora]

Everyone remember to react to #1382040199797801031 message 👍 to sign the waiver

-# We've taken steps to mitigate risks

[rancid tundra]

well that just makes it less fun

[ashen crypt]

As long as we’re suggesting our motto, a friend sent me this movie quote when I told them about the game I signed up for.

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SMGg4hpkl5bLfRzndCT_wGS3vpMv764DMnSwXp0eyT0/https/media.tenor.com/aMHE-9tq60AAAAPo/aliens-drop-ship.mp4

I feel like “rough air ahead” describes the kind of flight mission we’re on.

[quartz bridge]

I'd be all for "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves!" as per our namesake.

[little grail]

"Ab astris, salum"
"From the stars, salvation"

Also translates to "From the stars, peace"

[heady plaza]

"Rough Air" - yeah right.

[heady plaza]

BG10 has claim on that.

[heady plaza]

Oooh!

That's a nice one.

Parallel with TF1, actually-

Someone made this, and put motto "Ride the Lightning".

I still like Doc's suggestion.

[quartz bridge]

eh, they beat us to the punch!?

aight, Doc's suggestion seconded by me

[heady plaza]

I mean, BG10's shtick is entirely Civilian Protection & Convoy Escort. They basically have claim on that.

[quartz bridge]

Have they actually claimed it, or are you just making a thematic argument?

[heady plaza]

Lemme go back and check, I thought they did?

[heady plaza]

Claimed "We guard your path", but theme is Civilian Protection & Convoy Transport.

[quartz bridge]

Right, so for us my suggestion would be lore/name thematic, whether or not it's op thematic.

but I like Doc's too

just throwing out an idea

[little grail]

"Ab Astris", "From the stars" has a nice ring to it. We could play around with a few tags on the end.

...Rescue: "Ab Astris, eripe"
...War: "Ab Astris, bellum"
... Peace: "Ab Astris, Pax"

Open to anything else if we enjoy this flavor of it.

I do think "Salvation" fits our role as QRF, and "From the stars" fits our method of dropping in.

We could also throw the "Storm" in there as well.

"A tempestas, Salus: From the Storm, Salvation"

That one's actually pretty hard, ngl

[rancid oasis]

From the ones I've read this is my fave

[heady plaza]

I'm more partial to the "Ab Astris", mostly becuase it is "from the stars" but can also be read more arrogantly as "from the heavens".
We are an airmobile unit that can operate in space, so...

Salvation is probably best - we do a lot of things, and salvation for one can be damnation for another.

[upbeat lily]

So our VTOLs are unable to see ground targets when in atmosphere? I can understand not seeing units while we are in orbit.

[little grail]

Superius, Salus: "From Above, Salvation"

[quartz bridge]

balance reasons, so scouting with vehicles isn't strictly inferior

[heady plaza]

We will be able to spot where the spaceport is, though.

[little grail]

I also am a fan of "Ab Astris", just trying things on, if you will

[upbeat lily]

But then the Spec ops VTOL wouldn’t be able to see anything either.

[heady plaza]

They can land and drop the Spec Ops unit.

[upbeat lily]

lands next to a very mean anti infantry base “looks clear, have fun!”

[noble kindle]

Any more room for some infantry?

[upbeat lily]

Doesn't look like it atm, unless we get more VTOLs

[lean berry]

Or 1+ of our ODT find a Taskforce with Drop Pods

[little grail]

Dear heavens if we could find ODT capability

our BG would go to the next level

[lean berry]

Oh?

Aside from removing 1-3 ODT units from our roster

[little grail]

Just the coolness factor really

[lean berry]

Ah

[little grail]

I'm hype for the flavor.

That, and the ability to insta-deploy a team whhere we need it to establish a small perimeter to land VTOLs would be invaluable.

[hollow canopy]

:o What'd I miss?

[lean berry]

Discussions on mottos, probable Turn 1 plans, and some people talked about PAI power level in #meta-comm

[hollow canopy]

:D Neat. I think "In for some Chop" was one, although I thought "Lightning strikes twice" could fit too

[upbeat lily]

So is the issue with Victorum burning a Large Supply is to just bring a craft over to the planet faster? or is it to be able to do more "actions" per the round?

[vast lodge]

There speed one due to having a battleship and it two movements to get to the city

[uneven igloo]

Sup, are you doing a thunder struck?

[gleaming palm]

Sorry for the late answer. If you still Need Someone on the waitlist i can do it

[uneven igloo]

Are you loonatics leeroy Jenkinsing?

[gleaming palm]

Nvm just read that Xero is going on the waitlist

[weary apex]

Did a bit of reading up. Logo looks cool AF. As far as mottos go I like "From the heavens" or "Benedicti Tempestate"

[candid jasper]

@heady plaza @cunning aurora I am no longer part of Rabbit I have moved to Taskforce Fluffle to provide crew to orbitals in desperate need for some. I will still be working around you, just in a big floaty thing now.

[oak patio]

@deep bobcat i think you can add yourself on our google doc like Horse did, so that we know you're in if we get another VTOL. just don't take it for granted.

[cunning aurora]

I understand... but this is storm not rabbit

[candid jasper]

I am just letting you know, since I said I was acting as middle man between rabbit and here

[cunning aurora]

Ah I see. Thanks for the info!

[edgy ember]

As best I can tell, you only have one engineer so far. I would like to offer my services for front line fortification duties, along with vehicle repairs as required. Let me know if you want me, and if we can acquire the VTOL to make it work.

[deep bobcat]

(fyi signed up for rabbit, so I'm no longer on the list)

[chrome knoll]

@edgy ember spreadsheet be here, based on precedent i'd guess that u'd sign up here first and see if more VTOLs sign on?

[edgy ember]

done, let me know if I get VTOL or not

[cunning aurora]

Willco. But VTOL signups have been real slow after day 1

[chrome knoll]

gon see if a few of my friends r interested in joining, if so maybe they'll go VTOL as well. no guarantees tho but we do play ttrpgs so this is up their alley

[cunning aurora]

I'm doing the same 😄

[heady plaza]

We're good, don't worry!

[heady plaza]

Yes, if we get a VYOL, we'd love you.

[bleak robin]

Tac Comm has updated me on BG3's objective thus far, but I'll drop this here in case. Ops Log is now accurate for BG3, but if you guys have further updates, you can add to the Ops Log and I'll edit it to make it fit. Thanks.

[real minnow]

Did somebody call for PAI with drop pods?

[heady plaza]

... I assume you have Heavy Drop Pods?

[real minnow]

sure do

[little grail]

The problem is we dont have anyone to drop you, I think?

[heady plaza]

Yeah... We're a BG, not a TF.

We don't have orbital capability.

[real minnow]

heard, wrong room, carry on!

[hollow canopy]

Frens :D

[dull marten]

https://tenor.com/view/alestorm-friend-christopher-bowes-gif-21225699

[hollow canopy]

:D

[storm basin]

Hello

[lean berry]

@spice wraith @oak patio @golden owl any news on any of you finding an orbital with Drop Pods? Would love for y'all to actually get to use your innate ability.

[oak patio]

i've just checked it. It seems there're 2 players with active units which have the drop pods, 1 crew 1 odt

[lean berry]

Hmm... I wonder if they're planning on actually using their Drop Pods

[hollow canopy]

Apparently, they're missing a Hull to actually put the Crew onto or something.

[lean berry]

Hmm... Did they check with Atlas in https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1382037040438181950?

[spice wraith]

I haven't spoken with anyone else.

[real minnow]

Atlas is logistics focused, so you'd need to find a ride back aboard before we move, but yea we got room for more crew

[slim spindle]

@cunning aurora sorry for ping but I talked with Venator and most likely I will stick with them in the next operation, so I don't know if I should leave the exel sheet?

[heady plaza]

No problem!

Enjoy your transfer!

[lean berry]

If you're set with them, yeah you you remove yourself

[cunning aurora]

I've removed you! Good thing tbh, because I really doubted us getting another HVTOL

[hollow canopy]

Good luck at Ziyal!

[slim spindle]

If I'm able I will make sure to send a spicy can your way 😉

[cunning aurora]

We'll work to clear the way for you guys!

[little grail]

I'm looking around for a BG similar to ATC on Titan, and I'm not finding it. Are we going to have to piecemeal our air support?

[cunning aurora]

Yes.

[heady plaza]

Yeah...

[cunning aurora]

Almost certainly since Shack said no 100% Aerospace BGs

[little grail]

Oh shit, I forgot about that.

Well hell.

[cunning aurora]

There's some cheese you could do with taking 1 VTOL/HAT with a unit in it, but I'm sure Shack would take offense

Yeah Aerospace units kinda got shafted being tied down to ground units. Really negates their speed advantage

[lean berry]

Yeah, that would be RAW but not RAI

[cunning aurora]

btw look what they made on VIctorum:

[hollow canopy]

:D Formations!

[frank ore]

i feel so safe now

[lean berry]

I love the Pearl in the bottom right

[cunning aurora]

-# itsy bitsy pearl

[little grail]

Noice!

[hollow canopy]

So tiny! Also, isn't that their like, supply ship?

[heady plaza]

Actually, a quick feeler:

Would we be willing to cut the BG in 2?
Grp 1: VTOLs, with the ENGI and 1 MEDIC. Transport and Aerial Response. 14+2 = 16 units
Grp 2: Ground units, 1VTOL + MEDIC, SpecOps VTOL + Spec Ops. Can be left on the ground for a round if needed. 2+14 = 16 units

[cosmic coyote]

I wanna pop in and suggest that if the enemy has a decent set of fighter support, dipping behind Aviary may be necessary

[hollow canopy]

The enemy having air support is why we're tucked in with Victorum in the first place.

[little grail]

That moment when you join the funny little QRF BG do fly around and help the beefy Bois and you find yourself at the tip of the spear

[cunning aurora]

Pro Tip: If you're a VTOL you can just land to not be a valid target for fighters

[heady plaza]

Yeah...

[cosmic coyote]

I know I just wanted it said for saying's sake

[heady plaza]

Eh? Can't they do ground attack?

[hollow canopy]

I'll be honest, not exactly what I expected, but it's what ARMCO needs, so it's what we're doing!

[cunning aurora]

I'm gonna double check

[frank ore]

i was always kinda hoping we'd end up hot dropping

[vast lodge]

But they can’t spot then since air can’t ground spot

[hollow canopy]

Then it's your lucky day!

[frank ore]

yay!

[heady plaza]

Now go fill out that fancy little will.

[little grail]

If we split the BG and take some fighters, it may prove beneficial

[frank ore]

I've had that filled out since new braven

[cunning aurora]

No Fighters!
-# imagine Edna Mode here

[heady plaza]

We can't rearm the fighters, since we are expecting to jump from one fight into the next?

[little grail]

Lmao I was just about to say that would go against our airfield independence, but was just a thought

[cosmic coyote]

LF with a flight deck and Cargo bay 🤣

[lean berry]

I think this is very cheese and RAW but not RAI

[cunning aurora]

VTOL Upgrade: Allow the VTOL to do in-air rearming for fighters.

That would be a dope HAT upgrade

[heady plaza]

concern

How would they even do that?

[cunning aurora]

Thank you ❤️

[cunning aurora]

Well Aerospace can fly as slow at 3 units per turn. VTOLs can do 5.

[heady plaza]

Not that cheesy?

We are declaring that we have a Logi BG that can also respond to ENGI and MEDIC requests, and an actual Ground Force BG. Sure, they work best together, but in an emergency can work apart.

[cunning aurora]

I mean that's just a small orbital at that point

[little grail]

What's RAW/RAI?

[lean berry]

RAW = Rules As Written
RAI = Rules As Intended

[hollow canopy]

:O Neat

[cunning aurora]

It's a common term in Tabletop games where there might be loopholes based on how a text is written, even if it's clear that it wasn't the intention.

[heady plaza]

Such as [Revivify] not actually working if treated RAW.

Or stabilizing not having a "touch range" restriction RAW.

[cunning aurora]

I don't play 5e so I couldn't say. But I know Pathfinder 1e had a ton of stuff like that

[heady plaza]

The stabilizing one is hilarious - I can be across the battlefield and yell at someone to stop dying and they magically stop dying-

[hollow canopy]

Reminds me of Payday 2...

[oak patio]

you're telling me that according to the writers we shouldn't have made a Kobold capable of ripping the space-time fabric 🤔

[cunning aurora]

Love me a good ol' peasant railgun

[heady plaza]

Bad news:

Shack said that if we want more intel, we need to, "Make a fast Taskforcee and go get said intel."

[hollow canopy]

Hello Fast Battlegroup! We have a new objective! =v=

[cunning aurora]

I've always thought this would be the case. Idk why people thought we were gonna get more intel.

[granite bear]

Hello Storm Blessed! I'm here from TF2 Atlas and we're coming up with plans. We may be getting drop pod capabilities and we heard you all may have ODT that really wants to drop. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND, this is only a possibility not a guarantee.

[hollow canopy]

We have I think 3 ODTs here. :D

[cunning aurora]

@spice wraith @oak patio @golden owl Those three. You obviously have my blessing if this works out

[storm basin]

Well… I guess we might gotta do an instant landing then

[hollow canopy]

It's already been mentioned if Drop Podding becomes an option in another Group, they're welcome to head over there, so once you get confirmation on the Drop Pods, feel free to transfer them over (With their own approval, of course)

[storm basin]

If we lack any intel, rushing in may be the best option we have, if they lack any connection to orbit

Otherwise a TF (or ourselves) may be able to gain intel while in orbit

[cunning aurora]

We will get a bit of intel. TF1 will do a scan and out SF is deploying a round early to the ground

[granite bear]

Okay, as long as they're aware that means signing up with our TF and leaving Storm Blessed. Also, if they're sitting on 1 RP they can also buy the Drop Pod Module and bring it with them but we're waiting to see if one of our crew bought one anyway

[oak patio]

Keep us informed, and don't feel forced to change your plans for us.

[granite bear]

Will do and don't worry lol. A PAI squad showed up with heavy drop pods and signed up so it felt weird not offering the same possibility to ODT

[spice wraith]

Keep me posted, please!

[granite bear]

Will do!

[spice wraith]

We'll certainly be more useful with pods.

It'll also clear space for more standard infantry/medics/engineers.

[rancid tundra]

see the problem is that that isn't a clever loophole in RAW

that idea relies on ignoring the rules to apply realistic physics only in the specific instance that you want them to work

[frank ore]

peasant railgun in RAW is a terrible weapon, however its an excellent messaging system, just use it to move letters

[lean berry]

Yeah, currently the only ODT with 1+ Req/Drop Pods are @ blockaderunner and @ frame647

[hollow canopy]

I've been wondering, how does Stealth work exactly? And what defeats Stealth?

[heady plaza]

SPECOPS VTOL is spotted at 1/2 normal spotting distance.

SPECOPS INF basically rolls against the number of enemy units that could see them.

[hollow canopy]

And LRMs (Long Range Missiles, I think) can one-shot a VTOL, right?

[heady plaza]

Can LRMs target Air? I don't recall...

[hollow canopy]

I don't really know what LRMs are, other than they are probably a missile. Let alone the rules of them

[granite bear]

Yes they can New Braven Flashback Occurs

[storm basin]

They are long range missiles

[hollow canopy]

Good to know I can still tell most of the Terms then. =v= And I get the feeling that the Bots might have LRMs available. As to whether it's at Elim or not is speculation though. =v="

[storm basin]

Tbh missiles aren’t the worse if you are in close range

They deal a d4, the real issue is that they have a range of 3 hexes

-# Other than being able to shoot anything they see

[hollow canopy]

Oh, ok. So the VTOL can still tank a hit from one?

[storm basin]

Pretty sure as damage counts as 1 hit

Aka unless there’s some specific rule I’m missing we should be able to tank 1 missile, although all LRMs come in either 2s, 6s and maybe 4s

(Ammo)

[hollow canopy]

We'd at least be aware of the LRMs existance when they fire the first shot and it gives us a round to react. (Probably by grounding the VTOLs)

[storm basin]

They can still shoot the VTOLs…

[hollow canopy]

Well, time to improvise! This would've also been a great time to have Countermeasures.

[storm basin]

They only wouldn’t be able to shoot us if we manage to land outside of their view

I dunno if LRMs require Direct Line of Sight, but they may

[lean berry]

@edgy ember are you still looking to join us?

Good odds spots will be opening for infantry

[storm basin]

Honid we sure we got space? or is the count broken

[hollow canopy]

Are the ODTs still on the sheet? As far as I saw, they haven't moved over yet, so they should still be there.

[storm basin]

Yes

[hollow canopy]

I don't think they were able to figure out the Drop Pods in the other Task Force (Atlas, I think, Task Force 2, right?) quite yet.

[heady plaza]

*If TF2/TF3 actually go with Drop Pods.

[lean berry]

TF 2 are waiting on one of their Crew to know whether or not they're getting Drop Pods

Was mostly asking to know whether or not Wesmas was still instead

[granite bear]

@spice wraith @oak patio @golden owl We have confirmation of Drop capabilities on the Battlecruiser Picket Line. Feel free to join Task Force Atlas at your convenience.

[hollow canopy]

:D Good luck frens!

[untold pine]

Hey guys, what’s the gist of everything today?

[slow hazel]

A lot of yapping and no real changes of consequence. Every group is holding off on final decisions until we get more intel

[little grail]

Good luck, Drop good!

[hollow canopy]

ODTs just got a Drop Pod-capable Orbital in Task Force Atlas, so they're transferring over.

[untold pine]

I mean, I’m flying a VTOL, my goal is to make sure to not drop to hard.

[spice wraith]

Remove me from the roster.

I'm moving over.

Thanks guys.

[untold pine]

What is ODTs?

[storm basin]

Cya

[spice wraith]

Good luck.

[hollow canopy]

Orbital Drop Troops

[quartz bridge]

In terms of intel, we have no intel.

[little grail]

Orbital Drop Trooper

[feral yoke]

That is usually a good idea

[slow hazel]

Exactly😂

[feral yoke]

Well that's useful

[untold pine]

Ah, so basically our VTOLS will not be the only thing hitting the ground hard

[spice wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-delta-halo-installation-halo-ring-deploy-gif-26482646

[hollow canopy]

Seems so, depending on what Task Force Atlas is planning on doing, we may or may not see them in Elim anyway.

This also leaves a few VTOLs empty too.

[spice wraith]

Orbital Drop Troopers.

[hollow canopy]

I've cleared Big Cheese's ODTs from the roster, are the other two also heading over?

[lean berry]

Probably, but wait for them to say officially

@edgy ember we officially have room for you!

Let us know if you're still game

[hollow canopy]

Ye, I'll hold off until I get answers from the ODTs themselves

[narrow sand]

Need any members?

[hollow canopy]

:O Whatca offerin'?

[slow hazel]

VTOL I think

They got rerouted here from rabbit

[hollow canopy]

:O Oh hell ya, we're looking for any kind of VTOL.

[storm basin]

You need a meta company…

Maybe make one soon, before trying to even make a unit

[novel ice]

hello inf squad joining this bg

[hollow canopy]

You should take a good look at the units and come to a decision of what you would enjoy most first. :O We can help with guiding you how to do that, but we won't tell you what unit you should get.

:D Hello Infantry.

[storm basin]

More [MEAT SHIELDS] for me :]

[hollow canopy]

I think we're looking for Engineers mainly right now, right?

[narrow sand]

I cant really make an informed descision

[storm basin]

We have 1 unit of engis confirmed (me)

[lean berry]

We're currently at our capacity for infantry, pending some players transferring to an Orbital Taskforce

[narrow sand]

Also interesting in light mechs

[storm basin]

ravens, I would recommend getting what adheres to you most, but this campaign my last a while

[lean berry]

We can wait-list you, as it were

[hollow canopy]

:O We can help you out then. Would you like to do ground fighting, fighting in the air, transporting and logistics or big ship combat?

[novel ice]

nvm im out

[slow hazel]

Please send any overflow units to Phalanx if possible😝

[lean berry]

Otherwise check our pinned messages

[storm basin]

So although after the campaign you would be able to get any 4 units you want if ya die, I would recommend getting something you like,
-# btw the “get any 4 units ya want” is a basis of a 1 req per unit class (discounting mech/ship variants)

[narrow sand]

Areal combat and ground fighting both look fun

[storm basin]

Notice that’s accounting that you die in the game, which is the worse basic outcome, we may get bonus req I dunno

[hollow canopy]

Light Mechs are good for running and gunning. (Light Vehicles as well). Most units (Infantry and Armor) all do ground-to-ground fighting as you'd expect. For Air combat, you're probably gonna look for Fighters or if you want air-to-ground, Bombers.

[narrow sand]

Down with orbital combat as well if you want

[storm basin]

Btw, this is needed so you know what to do as a tutorial (for starting up) btw proposing creating a unit is free, but actually owning it costs req

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239342388942737449/1361540878363000923/SignupCheatSheet.png?ex=684c4101&is=684aef81&hm=c86bedf72dad6c2d6aa4963ed365dbb39a5b2fd45bead14ed03099e87e7e78dc&

[narrow sand]

Are the basic units not free?

[storm basin]

Nope

[narrow sand]

Also dont you start at 0 req?

[storm basin]

No you start at 1

To buy one unit

for those who played in older versions they get payment based on what req they should already have (pre-S.A.M installation)

[narrow sand]

?

[hollow canopy]

It's what you want first and foremost. We can give you ideas, but we can't tell you what to get.

And you get only 1 Req and every unit requires 1 Req to be purchased, so you'll want to consider your options, because there's also no refunds.

[storm basin]

Yeah it’s why nobody here is saying “you must” like we do state what we need, but forcing you to buy something to be bored outta ya mind for an entire campaign is just cruel

[narrow sand]

Dont want to do infantry or artillery is all i know

[narrow sand]

What do you need, so i can choose?

[storm basin]

You do receive 4 req for playing (1 bonus for living) which can be used for upgrades or buying more units

[narrow sand]

Oh wait, can you control multiple units yourself?

[slow hazel]

No it’s one per player

It’s bad enough at just one per player when we have 400 people playing😆

[hollow canopy]

This Battlegroup in particular is stocking as many VTOLs as we find, also picking up Engineers currently. However, other Battlegroups are also picking a variety of other units, including Fighters, Bombers and Light Mechs. Pretty much every unit on that unit list is being requested by some group.

[lean berry]

We would like VTOLs or an Engineer

[narrow sand]

I can do vtol

Upgrades look interesting

[vast lodge]

You can have multiple unit but only have one in the field

[narrow sand]

Ah ok makes sense then

[lean berry]

Ok. So you understand you'll be transporting infantry and supplies as well as providing CAS (Close Air Support)?

[hollow canopy]

Look through and think what unit(s) would be fun for you on the field. We can tell you how they operate and stuff. Once you do buy a unit, let us know what unit. =v=

[lean berry]

Assuming you play VTOL

If you end up picking a unit which doesn't work with our MO, we'll help you find a Battlegroup.

All units are wanted somewhere

[narrow sand]

Yes

[narrow sand]

I looked through all the units and the potential upgrades

[hollow canopy]

:D Awesome. Remember, no refunds

Do let me know what unit you settled on. (I assume it is a VTOL, but correct me if you did pick something else)

[lean berry]

Then just work your way through this flowchart to sign-up with the bot

( @narrow sand ☝️)

[narrow sand]

So i make my own company?

[lean berry]

Yep

Each player has a company

[hollow canopy]

Yesh, you make your own company, which holds all of your units you will make/have.

I do want to point out, as a new player, you won't be able to afford any upgrades, just the core unit

[narrow sand]

Ohhh i see how it works

[edgy ember]

Just want to check what the idea is before I lock into a VTOL. Still going in aggressive at the start?

[slow hazel]

How are you guys doing on capacity? I know you’re a big group already

[hollow canopy]

Let me find the plan realy quick.

And I think we have 2 Infantry openings now (As long as all the other ODTs do plan on transferring to Task Force Atlas)

[heady plaza]

We have an ENGI on wait list, and we will open back up for INF/ENGI

[lean berry]

We may not open back up for sign-ups, since we want spare VTOLs for redundancy

[hollow canopy]

This is still more or less our plan. We might have to delay it all a Turn though since Victorum didn't opt to burn their Large Supply.

[heady plaza]

Quite. We are one of the first groups down.

[hollow canopy]

More specifically, once we're in range of Elim City, we're sending the Special Forces first and holding position. (Victorum should also send a scan at the same time.) The turn after, we're making planetfall in full force.

This ideally happens in the first 3 Turns.

[edgy ember]

I have a history of high intensity, high risk engineering. I dont intend to break tradition this time

[hollow canopy]

That's perfect here! Also, didn't I see you on the Garden of Morr?

[narrow sand]

Done

[edgy ember]

I played campaigns 1 and 3 I think

Shack actually calls me out in his video about campaign 1, if you watched that

[hollow canopy]

I did, that's why I recognized your unit. =v=

[narrow sand]

Wait fuck

[edgy ember]

Slot 26 is currently without an infantry unit, should I move myself in there?

[lean berry]

Did they not? Ok

[narrow sand]

I named my unit too long

[heady plaza]

Oh, the team that built an arfield and died?

[edgy ember]

Yep

[narrow sand]

So its over the char limit

[hollow canopy]

With how the system is organized, the unit above you (Which should be a VTOL) is the one carrying you.

[heady plaza]

If it accepted the callsign, don't worry about it too much.

[narrow sand]

It did not

Hmmm

[lean berry]

Yep

[heady plaza]

What's your current idea?

[hollow canopy]

Unit names can be a bit long, it's callsigns that are 7 characters or less. Usually, this'll be your account name, but whatever works as a quick-glace Idenifier.

[narrow sand]

It wont let me select any units

[hollow canopy]

What state is your unit in? Is it Proposed or Inactive?

[narrow sand]

Dont know

[heady plaza]

Have you proposed a unit and then purchased it first?

[hollow canopy]

Should be under #campaign-statistics or you can use the command "/ company show "

[slow hazel]

Sam struggling it looks like😆

[storm basin]

Did you buy it in shop?

[lean berry]

You didn't buy your unit yet

[storm basin]

That’s the real question, as it goes
Create
Buy
Activate

[lean berry]

Use /shop open

[storm basin]

You need to buy it

[narrow sand]

What do i need to buy ?

[storm basin]

That’s why

[narrow sand]

Oh ok

[storm basin]

Btw

[heady plaza]

It needs to purchased. Go to /shop open

[storm basin]

Only do this if you’re certain

I have been absent doing some irl stuff, but don;t do anything unless you want to fully do it

[narrow sand]

Done

[lean berry]

/unit create just make a proposal of your unit (of which you can have 3)

[hollow canopy]

Proposed units are units you're thinking about getting. Inactive Units are units you have purchased and just lazying about.

[storm basin]

Yeah

[lean berry]

Looks like your unit is bought. Now you'll just need to use /unit activate

[narrow sand]

?

[heady plaza]

Select your VTOL, then select Lumara System.

[narrow sand]

Its done yes

[storm basin]

It’s a false error, if it isn’t then reset your discord, if that fails try again later, if that fails tell LtCmdr Cheese

[narrow sand]

Its also letting me click on my unit

[cunning aurora]

We're also getting the same issue. It's not on your end

[hollow canopy]

S.A.M.'s been a bit overworked. If the interaction fails, dismiss the message and try the command again. If that doesn't work, you may need to restart your Discord and then the command again. (SAM's been getting overworked and underpaid, so it's a bit on the fritz) If none of that works, you'll just have to wait for a bit then.

[heady plaza]

Alright, well, looks like we'll need to flag that as not-yet-activated on the sheet to remind you about it later

[cunning aurora]

@narrow sand Try again. Cheese said it should be fixed

[storm basin]

Well either try again later or try brute forcing it (not best idea)

[hollow canopy]

Did we add Raven to the sheet yet?

[storm basin]

Didn’t think so

[narrow sand]

Perfect

[storm basin]

You in?

[narrow sand]

Nice

[hollow canopy]

:D I can add you to the Battlegroup's roster or you can add yourself. :O
( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12U1MGIujK0DOrQDiLpHOYyus9aocOr8IkkKFy8wbXlM/edit?usp=sharing )

[cunning aurora]

@dire viper

[narrow sand]

Can i add you?

[storm basin]

Add your details to this (unit and region if ya desire)

Oh… you bet me to it, no need for a 2nd then

[cunning aurora]

ravens, what's your callsign?

[hollow canopy]

I'm already on the sheet. =v=

[narrow sand]

Screenshot

[slate fox]

Would this Group need a medic?

[narrow sand]

"Polaris"

[storm basin]

I dunno, if we have… what should we have space?

[cunning aurora]

Wolf let us do a check in real quick. We've suddenly gotten a lot more space

So we have 7 infantry and 2 medics right now.

[heady plaza]

We have 2 slots, I'd say yes tentatively

[cunning aurora]

So is the Drop Troops Orbital a thing?

[edgy ember]

We currently have 2 medics. More is never a bad thing, but I dont know how many other BG have

[heady plaza]

Yes. Not sure if our remaining 2 ODTs want to hop to them, though...

[hollow canopy]

The ODTs should be transferring to Task Force Atlas, they confirmed they have a Drop Pod-capable Battlecruiser. Big cheese already transferred over, the other two ODTs are asleep, I believe, so they're still on the sheet. Big Cheese was already cleared though.

[lean berry]

Our two remaining ODTs can transfer to Taskforce Atlas, yes

[heady plaza]

I would go with a tentative yes to the MEDIC, and hopefully bring on 2 INF to replace the ODTs.

[slate fox]

If you already have two, I would rather check in with another to ensure one does not get left out to dry.

[edgy ember]

A good decision IMO

[heady plaza]

Sounds good!

[slate fox]

Good luck on your objectives o7.

[edgy ember]

We would welcome you if you dont find greater need, but we dont want to deprive others

[cunning aurora]

So assuming the ODTs go to the orbital. We have 4 open infantry slots

[lean berry]

@storm basin looks like you're not getting that raise after all. /s
We have a second engineer

[edgy ember]

I only see two ODTs on the doc

[cunning aurora]

Infantry size let me specify. Not specifically infantry

[hollow canopy]

Revoke his hypotheorical Bonus Pay!

[cunning aurora]

Yes but we've recruited two additional VTOLs

[edgy ember]

Ah

[lean berry]

4 spare VTOLs would be quite the redundancy

Wish we could have one spare HVTOL

[cunning aurora]

I think 1 spare is enough

[edgy ember]

TBH, I would find the doc much more pleasing if they pairs were organized by what was being carried

[lean berry]

maybe 2 spare VTOLs

But certainly not 4

[edgy ember]

Put the SF VTOL and team at the top, then HVTOLs with MBT, then Inf loaded VTOLS, followed by medic and engineer VTOLS

but thats pointless until everyone is locked in anyway

[cunning aurora]

but i wanna be on top 😦

-# /s

[hollow canopy]

x3 I think we have a Readable List that does that.

[edgy ember]

Somebody is apparently listening to my comment

[cunning aurora]

Yes. It's called reading 😉

[storm basin]

Still, 2 engis for like 18+ vehicles isn’t a good ratio

[edgy ember]

my concern is actually to do with supply for resupply

[storm basin]

We have like 20 vehicles, so it’s a 1 per 10 vehicle ratio rn

[storm basin]

Well all VTOLs have 2 small supplies

[edgy ember]

unless it has changed, repairing vehicles takes supply

[cunning aurora]

We have 30 Small Supply in our VTOLs

[storm basin]

In terms of long warfare, we’ll struggle with supplies, but short term we aren’t that badly affected

[edgy ember]

I need to read the ruleset properly

I also need to go to bed

but the hype is real

[storm basin]

It all depends on whether the city (Elim) or the towns/areas we may have are able to give lesser supplies

[hollow canopy]

I doubt it. =v=" What few supplies are left in the cities are probably earmarked or already stockpiled for not-us.

[storm basin]

Fair, we’d probably need to raid the bot’s depot

btw I am not suggesting robbing locals, I am suggesting acquiring loot from the enemy

[heady plaza]

Well, we have 50% of the company's HVTOLs already, so...

[edgy ember]

Im off for the night. I look forward to seeing what has happened by the time I awaken

[hollow canopy]

:D Bai bai fren

[heady plaza]

Every single (normal) VTOL has 2 supply each.

[fiery summit]

Checking in rq what updates do we have today?

[little grail]

ODT's moving over to TF atlas for drop capability. That's about it.

[lean berry]

We got 2 more VTOLs

[hollow canopy]

ODTs found a Drop-Pod-capable Battlecruiser in Task Force Atlas, we got 2 more VTOLs and 4 Infantry-Squad sized openings. Also got another set of Engineers, Concrete Pete's Engis.

[fiery summit]

Nice!

[cunning aurora]

#1382040199797801031 message reminder for everyone to sign the waiver

Anyone have the picture of our formation?

[lean berry]

I'll probably go through the roster a few days before deployment and ping everyone who hasn't signed the waiver/activated their unit

[storm basin]

We had a waiver?

I thought we were just deemed acceptable losses

[cunning aurora]

This is us agreeing to being that

[hollow canopy]

Can't exactly afford to lose an entire Battlegroup during Launch Week.

[storm basin]

Ah…

[fiery summit]

No we are, Shack just has to waive any responsibility for our deaths

[storm basin]

I love bureaucracy

[dire viper]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo2-halo-oorah-gif-15782884

[storm basin]

Tbh my unit is 3/4 sentinels anyway

[cunning aurora]

Our story will be legendary. Remember the Battlegroup that died before everyone else deployed?

[storm basin]

I don’t think they even need to sign the waiver

[hollow canopy]

We will be remembered!

[storm basin]

btw sentinels to me means robot

[fiery summit]

HE'S A ROBOT, GET 'EM!!!!

[storm basin]

-# So keep me like 20 ft or more away from civvies

[storm basin]

3 of ‘em are robots the leader isn’t

[vast lodge]

And then everyone went home since they can’t land

[heady plaza]

Oh, they landed.

Just not in one piece.

[hollow canopy]

Zealously cover the robots in ARMCO colors and symbols to avoid misidenification.

[storm basin]

Thats the plan

Give ‘em bulk army in rp with spray painted ARMCO insignia on my company’s logo

[hollow canopy]

I mean, we did that with the White and Red on Medical units... Until, well, they started targetting the White and Red... It'll be fine!

[cunning aurora]

I meant ours.... the one with the flying V

[heady plaza]

I have our tactical one, but because of the changes, I need to update it.

[heady plaza]

Again, outdated.

[feral yoke]

Ah yes, right up front, I'm sure this couldn't possibly go badly for me

[hollow canopy]

Wait, would this formation work while landing in an urban area? I feel like some of the units would need to shift around buildings and other blockades...

[cunning aurora]

Are you 100% you're registered? Because I never find a spec vtol when getting the unit list

[fiery summit]

this is more for flying around

[heady plaza]

Nah, you've buggered off somewhere. I just put you there to not forget about you.

[heady plaza]

Activate your unit, Man-

[storm basin]

No no it is active, just not in the correct sector

It’s so invisible it has avoided all detection by S.A.M

[hollow canopy]

Das why ish purple, bozz.

[cunning aurora]

must've been the wind asteroid

[vast lodge]

So invisible we forget him at the last job

[heady plaza]

Formation proposal: if we lose all our ODTs and only get INF replacements.

(SF, you are off-screen).

[little grail]

If we could get some PAI... They fit on VTOL's real good. Real tanky too.

[feral yoke]

The Pathfinder WAS activated, not sure why it was showing as inactive, probably SAM issues with the rush to activate units, Callsign:Saber as Pathfinder is to long

[heady plaza]

Huh. @vapid hound , you mind taking a look? NVM, fixed.

[cunning aurora]

whatever, it's activated now

[feral yoke]

Nah its good

[cunning aurora]

probably just didn't get through on day 1

[storm basin]

I’m off to snooze

Good night people see ya tomorrow

[feral yoke]

SAM was a bit overwhelmed day one when I activated the Pathfinder

[hollow canopy]

:D Bai bai fren

[feral yoke]

Tbh, me being up front does make some sense as I have some of the most experience with campaigns here (Haven, Lussan and Titan)

[hollow canopy]

What is standard detection range anyway? If Spec Ops is only half that range.

[cunning aurora]

[heady plaza]

Bots could have different stats, we don't know.

[hollow canopy]

I know we're short on intel, but like, I thought that only applied to campaign intel, not system mechanics...

[lean berry]

Standard detection range is 3

[hollow canopy]

Well, I certainly hope the one VTOL we're sending down alone doesn't get detected then.

[cunning aurora]

Not that I doubt you, but where is that written? Can't find it in the main rules doc

[slate fox]

Battlegroup one had no medics, I have found my place. A safe and swift deployment for you all. o7

[hollow canopy]

:O Good luck treating all the wounded alone. :D

[heady plaza]

Rabbit what-

[slate fox]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-medic-tf2medic-tf2meet-the-medic-birds-gif-23358692

[heady plaza]

.... No stealing souls of fellow mercenaries while on the clock.

[slate fox]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-surprise-tool-bob-odenkirk-mickey-mouse-gif-24554573

[frank ore]

I find it funny that out of our 18 individual vtols, all but 4 are bone stock

[hollow canopy]

Lots of new companies and units. :O I figured most of them would be Infantry

[lean berry]

@cunning aurora

If there ends up being a snow storm, that would reduce LOS

Lumara is in an ice age after all

[cunning aurora]

❤️ cheers for that

[heady plaza]

Huh... we might be slightly slower as well, then.

[lean berry]

I know search-Fu

[dire viper]

#meta-comm message

[lean berry]

I see you added yourself to the roster

Although discuss on my phone isn't showing me what you're trying to link from #meta-comm

[cunning aurora]

They're my chucklefucks, I walked them through joining

[mellow scroll]

we are a great ASSet to the team

[worldly meteor]

Ive got zero training, and plenty of spirit

[hollow canopy]

:O Me too!

[worldly meteor]

Twinning

[golden owl]

alright. signed up with atlas. which is kinda funny because the 32nd is lead by a Lt. Atlas good luck with your plan

[cunning aurora]

glad a drop troop orbital got formed

i'll remove you from the roster

[hollow canopy]

x3 Good luck on Drop Day!

[hollow canopy]

Funny enough, I actually am an identical twin too.

[worldly meteor]

That's crazy, my sibling is 2 yeaars away from being my twin

[oak patio]

im going with Atlas too. Hope to see you on the planet guys. best of luck

[hollow canopy]

:D Good luck on Drop Day!

[dire viper]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dwarf-rimmer-salute-arnold-red-gif-20393894

[worldly meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-eat-munch-eating-hungry-idgaf-gif-15806998189948731128

Cant wait for battle

[cunning aurora]

Alright y'all we got 4 VTOLs without units in them.
We're at:
8 Infantry
2 Medics
2 Engies

Feels decently balanced so I also feel good about recruiting more of each. Maybe Engie > Medic. but no more than 1 of each. We can also leave one empty as a precaution

[hollow canopy]

I know some Infantry and Medics came by hours ago (Although the ODTs were still stuck with us back then) that were interested in joining. No Engineers except for Concrete Pete though.

[cunning aurora]

Just the type of units we're keeping a lookout for

[shut lodge]

Hey yall just checking in to make sure everything is on schedule right now

[cunning aurora]

pretty sure they went to other BGs

[heady plaza]

... as long as you aren't flashing civvies during the op, I couldn't care less about what you do off the clock, as long as it's not illegal.

(ASS-sets? Really?)

[cunning aurora]

their Callsign is STAINZ

[hollow canopy]

Ya, they've since crewed up with something else, but still, we're probably gonna see even more Infantry and maybe the other Support Infantries later looking.

[cunning aurora]

exactly. it's just a heads up for everyone

[hollow canopy]

Okie

[bright garnet]

so you guys are so desperate in need of engineers that we start poaching? /j

[hollow canopy]

Well, they showed up of their own accord and joined us. =v= I don't think they were in a Battlegroup prior.

[heady plaza]

We would like 1 more-

If you want to actually join Shovels, though, that's fine.
We can always use the spare carry capacity.

[bright garnet]

we’ll see, maybe rabbit doesn’t even disintegrate 🤷‍♂️

[cunning aurora]

Why what's going on with rabbit?

[heady plaza]

They may be breaking into 2 BGs. One as a QRF with LM and LVs "Rabbit". One with the slower units "Tortoise". And shoving the remainder in TF2/3, and other BGs.

[bright garnet]

or 3 bg, or 4 bg, everything has been suggested

the logistics sadly just dont math

[little grail]

the main logistics we need are spaceships.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something.

[bright garnet]

yes

[heady plaza]

Yes, TF support is lacking.
However, even in the individual BGs, they are struggling for Logi

STORM: 1:2 TTT Ratio
Rabbit: ~3:1
ULTRA: ~3.6:1
Venator: ~2.2:1

How ULTRA is getting anywhere, I have no idea.

[lean berry]

Good to know. I had heard they were considering that

[bright garnet]

Ttt ratio?

[lean berry]

Auto transports

[lean berry]

Tooth-To-Tail

[heady plaza]

Tooth-to-Tail Ratio
Tooth = Combat units
Tail = Support units

[bright garnet]

ah

thx

[narrow sand]

Zero training, zero skill, zero maidens

100% cool call signs

[steady stream]

Would yall like another VTOL armed with gun pods?

[heady plaza]

Yes, please!

[rancid tundra]

we're up 3 vtols right now but having extra carrying capacity is always good

gun pod is useful, right now only the specops vtol has that

[heady plaza]

Sign this waiver by reacting to it, then your soul VTOL will be ours!

#1382040199797801031 message

[steady stream]

😔

[quartz bridge]

it actually looks like the sheet isn't counting one, so 4 I think

[heady plaza]

We do have TaskForce escort, so we are less likely to die.

[steady stream]

i hope my crew is in good hands

[rancid tundra]

range was set too small

so yeah 4

[heady plaza]

Welcome aboard, EGGY DELIVERIES. We hope you have a smooth flight, and are not shot down.

[steady stream]

thanks!

[quartz bridge]

If we do end up with more VTOLs than inf maybe we could air-evac some civvies.🤔

[steady stream]

that’d be pretty interesting 🤨

[little grail]

That should be helpful

[hollow canopy]

:D Welcome to the Battlegroup!