Battlegroup 2 - Venator: Comms

[modest shale]

like where those dammed factorys are

hopefully

maybe

[oblique glen]

True but I’m pretty sure the task force people move in first

[versed olive]

Sierra sent this earlier

[modest shale]

indeed alongside storm who are giving some of em a lift but yeah

yeah its nice

[sage crane]

Yes but pathfinder is getting down fast

I don’t remember how

I just remember that’s path of their plan

[modest shale]

yeah sorry me neither but it did seem like they had a plan hahaha

well see, very excited

[oblique glen]

We’re going to be arriving at Ziyal during a invasion or see the aftermath of one

[versed olive]

they don’t have a plan yet

Well, let me reword that

They have a plan, but no transportation to actually do that plan yet

[sage crane]

Oh😭

[oblique glen]

What plan

[versed olive]

Pathfinder

[sage crane]

Let’s not make assumptions

I’m not saying it won’t be like that

We could arrive at the same time as the bots

[modest shale]

aye that's it, they're working on it, I think they asked storm but storms already full and got their own sneaky lads to deploy

such a cool visual I must say

[versed olive]

The only people who have transport semi-confirmed for the first wave with TF are Rabbit & Storm Blessed I believe, no idea who Atlas is cooping with.

[oblique glen]

There’s only one way that happens if we get enough transport to make it to the crossroads on turn 2 and then speed to Ziyal

[sage crane]

Once again
Assuming

I’m not saying your wrong but we could show up and the bots are still “recovering” from their initial attacks

[versed olive]

Just going to watch some crazy engineering bg just build the most massive trench line system to be seen in Armco history

[tranquil saddle]

Planet side artu

[sage crane]

Redwall gonna cook

[tranquil saddle]

Fr

[tranquil saddle]

Redwalls cooks the normal meals

Us Venator will cook the 5 star Michelin meal

[sage crane]

Yus

[tranquil saddle]

Anyways I wonder how the flag is doing

[supple beacon]

Alright i checked and if we get the last fighter we should have 8 fighters (3 fighters from spearhead) to support efforts in the skies.

[median sail]

They want us to what?

[tranquil saddle]

We need mo truck but they keep stealing the truck

So they want us to armor

Idl

Idl

Idk

[supple beacon]

Its not stealing trucks, if players choice to go with them its their choice.

In the end we are meant to work all together to achieve victory.

[median sail]

I'm pretty against bringing up the rare. Keeping up with the fight is going to be a challenge as it is starting in the back makes that even harder.

[tranquil saddle]

NO WE WILL PROTECT YOU WITH OUR LIFES ALL HAIL THE HEAVY TANK

[tranquil saddle]

Yeah i know lol

[wintry coral]

I'm not really asking you to bring up the rear, I just assumed you would be slower than the rest of us.

[wintry coral]

If you can lead the charge please do so.

[tranquil saddle]

Yes indeed brother

Let the tech priest bless you vehicle

[thorny night]

rip my gpu

[tranquil saddle]

Anyways guys where did shack post the time to put in your orders

Cause I'm looking at midround and briefing

[supple beacon]

Wait your doing a model now? thats insane XD

[supple beacon]

I don't know how i should feel about this cult forming around dawn bringer?

[topaz depot]

#campaign-information

[tranquil saddle]

Ok thx bro

[supple beacon]

Alright i ran the numbers and we currently have about 139 players in all 3 BGs on board to take back ziyal city.

I think we are going to have the largest planetary march of armcos history XD

[tranquil saddle]

XD

[supple beacon]

Hell when i made this battlegroup i did not expect this level of complexity.

[tranquil saddle]

No one did honestly

[smoky junco]

lads, BG9 might be asking for our assistance

specificly

they need bulldozers

[supple beacon]

Yes i know about it, they may need more room at cross roads so when we get there you can start bull dozeing some buildings

[tranquil saddle]

Shoot the building to demo it

[smoky junco]

we have bulldozers to push the rubble

[thorny night]

i tried model i got had to many triangles and my computer refused to cooperate

[tranquil saddle]

Plunder the concrete

[median sail]

I thought it was a attempt to put me in a safer spot to keep me safe. If I have logi feeding me supply I can keep up with MBT's

[median sail]

That makes 2 of us

[smoky junco]

i dont think that will be needed

i assume we will have quite a slow overall advance when we make contact with the enemy

[ebon jacinth]

Protect the war shrine!

(Crap, is this going to devolve int an armour variation of the Trench Pilgrims? XD)

[median sail]

No cause if it starts effecting game play I'll change things

[ebon jacinth]

Fair xD

If I had a different company, I'd definitely bring an armoured processional, tho

[wintry coral]

I want you to demolish!

[ebon jacinth]

Damn, those patches never cease to amaze me

I'd love to see them on a shop to buy from xD

[sage crane]

Yeah 😐

[ebon jacinth]

(So much so that I have downloaded the image and I'll find a way to include them in my unit and company sheet ^^)

[wary sundial]

The one from SAM or a docs thing?

[ebon jacinth]

My own lore repository ^^

[wary sundial]

Sick
Publicly accessible? :3

[ebon jacinth]

Should be... lemme check

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12Frp4JbbfixuCQfY98PL_BWuTtbHgGIfRlgbs07b0uY/edit?tab=t.eisnk9asre8a

[wary sundial]

Neat, shall consume it in a minute

[ebon jacinth]

It's a mess, be warned xD

It's mostly for personal use

[smoky junco]

TBH we don’t need a cult lol

But dawn should be protected due to how much of a force multiplier they are

They make our standard MBTs more dangerous through there firepower and armour

Same goes for our artilery being able to soften up the enemy

[tranquil saddle]

And our one logi truck

But hey we are being babysat by a pirate

So we can whatever we eant

Want

[distant olive]

Yeee let me soften them clankers

[wintry coral]

Dawn will not roll alone. I hope we have enough transport for the artillery.

[tranquil saddle]

I gotta scrap some clankers

[wary sundial]

we shall crawl if we have to

[tranquil saddle]

Dawn shall not die

If dawn dies our names in this battle group shall be stained forever

[supple beacon]

Dawn, the 6 HATs and any logi units are high priority units to have repairs or to be defended.

[tranquil saddle]

Sir yes sir

[supple beacon]

But that not to mean we have to be overly protective, we are a assault force after all.

[distant olive]

Just dont overexpose those units

[errant pine]

If we can keep em on the HATs till Crossroads, then we've got enough transports. Once at Crossroads, we're only 1 away from Ziyal city anyway.

[wind bear]

Redwall has five Engis should you need repairs. Ideally, we'll be behind you and Spearhead in Ziyal.

In the event that fails, and we're landing in Eim, Redwall will participate in holding Crossroads. Ill personally (Engineer Brick) be in the lead elements with our PAI should anyone need repairs.

Just be advised we have only two logi for supplies.

[errant pine]

Much appreciated! I'm very much looking foward to seeing how our BGs look once we get planetside and start seeing multiple BGs fighting together

[sage crane]

Hm, is it decided the route we'd be taking?

I was under theimpression we'd go north as crossroads is already so well covered and it'd be best not be be flanked

[vagrant frigate]

One thing I would like to throw into our planning are back up plans. No plan survives first contact and having some messure of fail safe should not be harmfull

[errant pine]

I don't know that much of anything is decided...I was meaning that as an option. Though the doc does say we're helping with Crossroads

[supple beacon]

I thought we were going to land at elim city then head to cross roads then reach ziyal city.

[sage crane]

Land elim for sure

Just stratiegicly we could sweep north as i think it's the same number of moves

No one else is doing it i think and it means we just have the security knowing no bots are there

[errant pine]

Not arguing against it, but North has 1 more node.

[errant pine]

BG 4 is going either to Hill Mine or H-H to dig in last I knew.

[sage crane]

Ah I got the mines mixed up

Crossroads makes the most sense then yeah

[errant pine]

again, not arguing for or against anything with that...just sharing the intel I have. lol

[sage crane]

I'm definitely for Crossroads :3

[supple beacon]

Agreed.

[severe crane]

Morning, what plans have we made for the assault

[supple beacon]

We will need to clear the way for flying shovels to build their air field at cross roads.

[sage crane]

Discussing routes to Ziyal for now

[sage crane]

Should be good

Out of curiousity what is the point of that again?

I've been too busy to see what other BGsa are doing outside Ziyal

[supple beacon]

well on the map you can see the cross roads has many dotted lines those are paths that only air craft can go, meaning cross roads is a good strategic place for a air field base.

[sage crane]

Ahh i see

[supple beacon]

So armco forces could launch let say air strikes at the southern pole of the planet.

or get to cell'dar mine.

[sage crane]

Do we have a BG capable of that?

[supple beacon]

Not sure at the moment.

[sage crane]

Hm

I mean it's possible as BGs can sortie now

[wanton tundra]

Storm is fully air capable

That’s it

[sage crane]

Just a pain in the arse to get the LS

[sage crane]

True

[wanton tundra]

I think it would be ideal for them to scout or secure the south mines but it’s up to them

Their actual firepower isn’t much compared to our other groups

[sage crane]

I believe first turn they're securing Elim starport

Not sure after that, iirc it's QRF

[supple beacon]

Still i think securing cross roads is important, its gives access to areas where we would not be able to go other wise.

[severe crane]

is there any intel on the Damar Rock Station or is it just there...

[sage crane]

It's just there

[errant pine]

BGs with fighters will need a place to rearm even if they stick to the roads as well...like our fighters. Crossroads should be close to the front to allow movements as needed.

[sage crane]

A group is checking it out i'm pretty sure

[sage crane]

Does the starport function as an airfield?>

[errant pine]

I really hope so! lol, it hanging out over there is just playing with my curiosity.

[supple beacon]

Anyway i would like to say that about 139 units in total is going with our plan across all 3 BGs.

[sage crane]

Nice

[supple beacon]

This is one of the largest operations armco has seen since C3.

[errant pine]

Even if not, there may be proper airfields in the cities...just a question of securing, holding, and supplying an airfield in a hostile environment.

[supple beacon]

I just want to say lads that we are going down in armco history!

But time will tell if its a good thing.

[sage crane]

FAQ is a maybe

[errant pine]

😜 Armco is always making history. lol, but like you said...it's not always the parts you enjoy reading.

[sage crane]

It shall be GLORIOUS

Ahem, ignore that miss spell 🤣

[supple beacon]

lol

[errant pine]

ok...who's Anonymous Cormorant?

[sage crane]

?

[oblique glen]

I’m going bed fellow comrades I wish you best i hope to plan some more tonight

[errant pine]

😆 I thought it was someone in here given the timing

[smoky junco]

I’ll be with them building it

[errant pine]

Line 19

[smoky junco]

Oh marl the Tac Com chat is up

[sage crane]

Oh

That would be me 🤣

[smoky junco]

Those weren’t all me…

[supple beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[smoky junco]

The second top one and bottom ones were

BUT THERE IS A IMPERSONATOR

[vagrant frigate]

Before I close off for this day because I fly from Canton, China to Frankfurt, Germany in two hours I want to throw in a final thing in and that is Potential Enemy warcrimes. Without a doubt the Bots will do one of three things to the population in conquered Territory.
-force labor to bolster combat forces production
-mass graves/execution with the goal of eliminate population
-energy Camps where the population is killed and decomposed to Harvest chemical energy to be turned into eletrical energy like in the Matrix

[smoky junco]

That WAS me

[supple beacon]

HAHAH

[smoky junco]

They’ve been in this doc since you first sent me the link….

Also the bee movie script

That was me

The entire bee movie script is somehwere in the doc

[wanton tundra]

Our objective is just to hold as much of the planet as we can until imperial forces arrive🤷‍♂️

[sage crane]

Duality of man

[errant pine]

We can help the locals too...well this BG isn't setup to help them much...but Armco could have BGs setup to be able to help locals. lol

[smoky junco]

LOCALS?!

we’re helping them by killing bots

[errant pine]

haha, that's about all our BG is setup for...sure. lol

[wanton tundra]

As much as I like the furry little guys we are here for our own benefit and that’s all

We don’t get paid by how many people we save

[supple beacon]

Or can we?

[smoky junco]

RANSOM PAYMENTS BABY!

[wanton tundra]

If there’s extra pay involved I’m down

[supple beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

I am fucking DYING

[wanton tundra]

I’ll do anything you want for an extra RP

[errant pine]

but if we were helpful enough that they shared some of their engineering...like orbital prefab workshops or something...

[smoky junco]

YAR WE CAN PLUNDER THAT LATER

[wanton tundra]

There’s easier ways of getting info🤷‍♂️

[smoky junco]

Alcohol

[sage crane]

Ahem

Just try and keep it on topic yeah 😭

[supple beacon]

Okay yeah lets calm down lads.

[smoky junco]

grumbles in piracy

[sage crane]

Ok keep an eye out for logi trucks to recruit

If we get one more our whole arty group can start the game on the ground

[supple beacon]

Alright.

btw Xsword are you fine with also being a back up tac-comm?

[smoky junco]

Yeah

I am occasionally prone to getting minor serious illness

[supple beacon]

Yeah just double checking with you lads.

[smoky junco]

I’m still recovering from pneumonia lol

[supple beacon]

lol

[smoky junco]

Been over a month

[sage crane]

Uh if you mean to check over stuff sure

In terms of map making it's just not my thing sorry

[supple beacon]

Alright yeah thats fine no need to take on map making. (hell i am kinda a noob at it as well XD)

[smoky junco]

Aight

Looks like I’m doing the maps then

[supple beacon]

Hey i will help with making the map

[smoky junco]

good, I ain’t doing it on my own

but it will be a pirate map

[supple beacon]

heh

[sage crane]

If you really need someone to help Dave's got experience and was happy to help Electro iirc(not to pressure you btw @errant pine )

[supple beacon]

Btw thanks autodave!

[errant pine]

wonder if he'll do TTS workshop items again.

[supple beacon]

If he does that THEN MAP MAKING WOULD BE MUCH easier.

for me at least.

[errant pine]

😜 that's how I did Tornado's TCO maps.

[supple beacon]

Yeah!

[errant pine]

Happy to help where/how needed. Just ping me if you need something. I've been trying to stay up to date, but pings are the most reliable way

[errant pine]

Well...TTS with his workshop item and Photoshop to merge screenshots together

[supple beacon]

Alright, am going to check with shack if he could put the maps onto the workshop for C4.

[smoky junco]

I’ll use krita3d if needed

Very useful graphic design software

[supple beacon]

wait krita has a 3d option?

huh

I need to check that out later

[errant pine]

Round 2 example. Allowed my final map to be 1940x3050

[smoky junco]

2D sorry

I am dum

Had paint3d in my head

[supple beacon]

lol its fine lad.

[static galleon]

Is it weird to get a nostalgia hit from something that happened less than a year ago

[sage crane]

It's been a year and a few weeks since Lussan haha

[static galleon]

Those were C3 maps though

[sage crane]

I know

But it's insane to think even Haven was just 2024

[errant pine]

lol, I'm proud of my maps. Always happy to share...and I shared the cleanest folder too. haha

[static galleon]

I joined for C3, but even I can agree that this thing has come a long way since

[dull cloud]

Paint.net was my favorite tool

[static galleon]

And though cap deserves a lot of credit, I think we can all be proud of that

[errant pine]

gah! Still wish I had understood that the game didn't require more than a post. I missed out on Haven because of that.

[willow osprey]

I don’t mind being a backup-backup tac-com, I have some experience with map making and plan on getting TTS during the summer sale

[sage crane]

As marls just pointed out in comm

Maps can be bigger than we see

[smoky junco]

MUCH BIGGER

[sage crane]

a LOT bigger

[smoky junco]

look In BG9

NOW

#1382191881873653833 message

[static galleon]

...oh wow ok

[smoky junco]

Going to be a hell of a fight

[static galleon]

and i was getting worried things would be getting cramped for my LV in the city 😅

[supple beacon]

***Yeah this campaign might be longer then we expect. ***

[smoky junco]

The AVRE support detachment is going to be busy

[sage crane]

I was already expecting 15+ rounds

[supple beacon]

Yeah i think we may see 20 rounds.

[sage crane]

I bloody hope not

We'd be out of LS long gone at that point

[smoky junco]

Maybe we would get a resuply?

[static galleon]

From a gameplay perspective I think that's good though?

[smoky junco]

Or enough people would be dead by then to lower our LS need

[wintry sapphire]

Wait, so for me, am I officially moving over to battlegroup 9 or just taking orders from them?

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565

[supple beacon]

Thats is if shack does not give us a bone to help us, like a fed fleet coming in around the last few rounds.

[smoky junco]

No your sticking with me lol

[sage crane]

Huh?

[sage crane]

Oh true

[smoky junco]

We are needed to help them get the airfield built

[sage crane]

I forgot the whole thing was a timer

[static galleon]

Logistics are gonna be way more important this time around

[smoky junco]

But after that we beeline it back to BG2

[sage crane]

Uh no Halo

You can't split BGs

[smoky junco]

We’re not splitting

[sage crane]

If we're in crossroads at the same time as them it works

[supple beacon]

It will be while we are fighting in crossroads.

[smoky junco]

Yeah that’s the plan

Plan is for us to detach from the main force and aid BG9

Then as soon as we’re done we’re rushing back to the main group

[sage crane]

It's strategic map so should be fine

[smoky junco]

That’s the plan

[smoky junco]

@wintry sapphire

[sage crane]

Does Aether also have bulldozer?

[smoky junco]

Yep

[wintry sapphire]

Yes

[sage crane]

I see

[smoky junco]

We’re in our own little support group for the engineers on the force comp sheet thingy

[wintry sapphire]

Sorry, got a little confused at the original plan, we good now

[dull cloud]

Anything’s a bulldozer if you’re brave enough

[smoky junco]

We’re the AVREs

BG9s airfield is going to be useful for us aswell

For our HATs and such

[sage crane]

Uh

Not sure how but ok

[sharp whale]

That’s why we have arty

[sage crane]

I mean unless we have to retreat back to Crossroads

[sharp whale]

Wait how fast can we get to Ziyal City? It seems a bit far from the gate

[supple beacon]

We will be landing at elim, then head to cross roads then get to ziyal city.

[errant pine]

I think we'll have to see what the fight looks like. I'm trying not to make any assumptions about Ziyal. Mission is to hold until support arrives, not to beat the bots all the way off the strategic map. I have a feeling the wording is intential.

[sharp whale]

Still seems quite far for how close it is to the bots

I have a feeling a lot more fighting might happen at crossroads

[errant pine]

it's the goal, obviously how much progress we make will depend on the enemy's strength and progress...which we don't have

[supple beacon]

Yep we might even see fighting in elim, it just all depends on how much shit has hit the fan when we get there.

[sharp whale]

As deployment gets closer we’ll probably get more intel on enemy movements

Just seems too good to be true for us to get defenses up in time

[supple beacon]

I have that feeling as well, elim will prob be under siege when we get there.

[sharp whale]

Oh right. That intel is old

[supple beacon]

Yeah around a week old-ish?

[wanton tundra]

2-3 weeks

[supple beacon]

Yeah so the planet might be on its last legs.

[sharp whale]

So…. No more Ziyal

[wanton tundra]

Plus we will be multiple rounds later if you are landing with the npcs

[supple beacon]

Not per say, we will prob be able to reach ziyal if we play this right.

But there will be bot factories.

[sage crane]

2-3 turns dependant on where the starport is in elim

[wanton tundra]

Ziyal is an end game objective if we see an opportunity

[sage crane]

Or early game defensive point if it's available

[sharp whale]

I think the mines might be heavily defended by either side. Idk why just a gut feeling

[supple beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/automaton-helldivers-2-marching-robot-robots-gif-14090133636459797134

POV of ziyal:

[sharp whale]

Oh for sure

[static galleon]

The helldivers bot comparisons will be rampant for this one won't they

[sharp whale]

There will probably be a mission objective like with campaign 1 and the bugs

[errant pine]

Cell'dar only has roads with Ziyal City too

[static galleon]

Not familiar with that one, could you expand?

[errant pine]

Maybe, but the game is setup now to allow unit mechanics to give advanced intel. We'll have to see how much Captain gives us considering the current builds.

[sharp whale]

Ohhh I’d have to go back to old chats if they’re still there

Something about campaign players doing side objectives in HD2 and posting pictures as proof then Cap awarded us with intel or something

#campaign-operations-data

[static galleon]

Oh yeah, I think I remember hearing about that

[sharp whale]

Archived the channel

[static galleon]

That could be fun

[sharp whale]

Very

[wind bear]

Howdy Venator, lurking on your post here was the most recent maps for Crossroads. The first is the cleaned up verson from the Strategic layer and the second is the map "8 years" ago.

This was Tabby's last map with rough drop points.

I believe Shovel was planning to build an Airfield in the lower sector of Crossroads to facilitate air assets depending on the actual map.

[vagrant frigate]

This will be a shitton of urban warfare for everyone

[errant pine]

...yeah...I might not actually bring my bunker.

[slate hemlock]

Finally returned from work
Anything interesting in the last day?

[smoky junco]

We will be assisting with our AVREs

[little egret]

Okay so we dont have to worry about the enemy taking out the heat and killing all the civis

[mellow briar]

Just tuned-in for the day, missed anything of importance?

[tame mango]

Don't worry about it 😄

[sage crane]

Uh we're hitting crossroads and then Ziyal is the broad plan

[mellow briar]

Gotcha

[tame mango]

Sorry to hear that, but welcome! Glad you're here, with your presence we now have a full flight of 4 fighters

[ebon jacinth]

What do SHBTs do, now?

[mellow briar]

Had fun coloring the Orbat based on something I found online (no idea how true it was lol)

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-bart-simpson-join-us-sit-here-gif-15631014

[mellow briar]

And with a white back ground

[compact minnow]

Can't wait to spam skirmish and tapdance all over the mechs

[sage crane]

So to sum up our forces:
Tank line
Fighter escort
Mobile troop and tank movement
Supply bases with wings
Pitstop crew
2 mech lances

I think a mech lance is 3 mechs at least

[ebon jacinth]

Oh, two Lances, nois!

[sage crane]

theres 7 mechs, it depends on your definition of a lance 🤣

[ebon jacinth]

Canonically, in BattleTech, an Inner Sphere Lance is 4 mechs, so I say we basically have 2 xD

[sage crane]

xD

alright

[ebon jacinth]

Or a star and almost a half, if we're going by the Clan method

Or about a solidly built lance, if we go by 13th century northern Italian standards xD

[smoky junco]

And a mad pirate in a pear tree

[real kite]

Status report?

WE GOT AN EXTRA FIGHTER???

[errant pine]

Don't know last you saw, so I don't know what's new...cause I haven't seen too terribly much.

Likely deploying Elim City via Automated Freighters once the spaceport is secured or confirmed secure...either way. Once we've landed, we'll push to L-H and then to Crossroads where we'll assist BG 9 in securing it and establishing an airfield. Goal is to then push to Ziyal City...though everything is up in the air until we know what the situation is on Lumara currently rather than months ago

BG 6 and BG 5 are still planning to work with us, so we should have an impressive force. Not to mention the BGs and TFs that plan on targeting Crossroads as well.

[real kite]

Got it

[spice nymph]

Are things like this in the spreadsheet or another referable document?

[real kite]

That’s a force of about 120 units I believe

Yep 122

[modest shale]

dear god, were thicc

[real kite]

So we’re the armored contingent, and then we’ve got two entire infantry units backing us up

Red wall has like

ALL the power armor so hopefully we can get them to help us breach

[modest shale]

they do yeah basically spare marines

[errant pine]

ish...Landing in Ziyal was the original plan, but is extremely unlikely. The bit about helping BG 9 is in there tho

[real kite]

So from what I can tell
Venator - Armor
Spearhead - Mechanized Infantry
Redwall - Infantry

We have the most aircraft, with spearhead having 3 fighters and us 4

[errant pine]

Some objectives are out of date...but I think most of it is valid

[real kite]

427 players

Good god

[distant olive]

https://tenor.com/ev8WdqFzKBU.gif

[ebon jacinth]

A power armour heavy BG is a glorious sight

[real kite]

Yeah, hopefully they can do the hard part (storming buildings) while the guys that AREN’T in power armor can watch their sides

[ebon jacinth]

Honestly, I was expecting more, by now

[sage crane]

Nah

I’ll write one up when I get home though good idea

[real kite]

That’s still 40 over last game

Once we finish this one, though, everyone will be able to afford at least a new unit AND a refit

so

Hopefully more specialization will be coming

[sage crane]

Keep in mind no video from shack

[ebon jacinth]

Ahn, that is very true

[sage crane]

So it’s surprising it’s as many as it is

[ebon jacinth]

In that case, yeah, I can see that xD

[ebon jacinth]

I am honestly surprised the payout is that much

[sage crane]

Especially after the string of campaigns that haha were all draws and haha some people got into none of

Haha

[ebon jacinth]

Totally wasn't expecting it xD

[sage crane]

We’re all gonna die

[real kite]

Those I feel were mostly for bonus veterancy

Just a little something to tide us over

Also sword

We’re the armored company

We don’t die

[ebon jacinth]

Imagine, as someone said earlier in comms, if 5 Req was all ARMCO was paid, instead of 5 Req each company 🤣

[wary sundial]

Hell yeah!

[ebon jacinth]

Honestly, I might just get a HAT with it

[slate hemlock]

Btw do we split into the groups mentioned above or are they just fluff?

[slate hemlock]

I mean this

[errant pine]

Just fluff or RP

We can look at formations when we actually know what the map looks like
(and obviously people aren't told they have to do it regardless)

[charred terrace]

How'd you make that?

[median sail]

If you need another I'm keen. Means I can run campaigns later on

[median sail]

That's what I was expecting cause of 5 rec

[sage crane]

Just wait till bro hears about anti armour weapons

[real kite]

I've heard

and what I have to say may shock you

but that's what I'm here for

The Gang

will annihilate everything and everyone hiding in buildings

[mellow briar]

There is a website for that, Google "orbat generator". Something spatial illusions for the website.

[mellow briar]

Mostly for fluff and RP as mentionedby AutoDave. Made it because I like pretty graphs 😅

[ebon jacinth]

"Jimothis?"
"Yessir?"
"Do you see that building?"
"Yessir."
"I don't want to see it anymore."
"Understood, sir!"
Jimothis floors the MBT gas pedal

[mellow briar]

Just remembered, I can also attack ground targets if need be 🍿

[compact minnow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/519444156687319041/984874573965164564/CD23E85F-25CC-489E-AA56-D4297D29B532.gif

[tame mango]

The M42 duster never got to shoot down a hostile aircraft, but it did a lot of work in the jungles of Vietnam, auto cannons make great anti material weapons.

[strong shoal]

Hello sorry been Inactive for almost 2 days missed any major changes in our plans?

[tame mango]

Nothing major has changed, just some organization it looks like.

[ebon jacinth]

Twentysomething Mike-Mike will do what Twentysomething Mike-Mike want xD

[smoky junco]

4/5 i beleve

[tame mango]

Ohohoho it was better than that, M42 had 40 Mike-Mike.

[smoky junco]

were 58/60

we will be the first to be full at this rate

[ebon jacinth]

As in the Swedish Sacrament of Bofors?

[covert compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKXl3zR7GwI

[oblique glen]

I’m back what happened

[errant pine]

I made a thing on a free pie chart making site lol

[oblique glen]

Can I have it in a cake form

[oblique glen]

Also Dave can you explain to me what happened please

[errant pine]

I entered names and numbers into the site and then it made a pie chart for me

lol, but I'm guessing you aren't asking about that. What happened with what?

[oblique glen]

Yeah I was hoping to know how planning went

[errant pine]

I don't think anything new really

[oblique glen]

So we’re still rushing the crossroads and trying to rush build a airfield and then push the Ziyal city

[errant pine]

Very likely landing in Elim once a few BGs have secured the spaceport (assuming it's not secured when we arrive), then moving toward Crossroads. BG 9 is going to dig in there including an airfield and we'll help with security and our bulldozers will help with construction

[fallow scaffold]

Interesting how focused all BGs are on the Cross Road and Ziyal

[errant pine]

End goal is still to push to Ziyal, but we'll reassess once at Crossroads.

[oblique glen]

This is going to end in a interesting way

[errant pine]

I think there's 2 going North to/through Hill Mine, but most seem to either be reactionary focused and pushing through the middle.

[fallow scaffold]

Yeah DF and Ultra. Though Ultra will push to Haydar Village which is connected to Ziyal City

[errant pine]

To be fair, BG 6 and BG 5 are working with us in our push (last I heard) so thats 3 BGs including ours that are all pushing together.

[fallow scaffold]

hm no one really wants to go Nerys Village right?

Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere

[oblique glen]

Honestly the crossroads is just a good place to hold

[errant pine]

I'm hoping a group will push to Nerys Village to make sure that's secured, especially since I think I saw that road is where y'all were planning on building the airfield

[fallow scaffold]

True that is an open flank that needs securing

[errant pine]

There's several BGs planning to be QRF at least after the initial deployment, so maybe one or two will head there

[oblique glen]

I hope we can secure the cell’dra mine

[errant pine]

We need to also remember that the dots are air routes I believe, so the Northern route will be isolated and the hostile Southern can advance even if we control the roads at Crossroads

[oblique glen]

Correct

But we have to control those mines in order to deny them because it’s even accessible by space

[errant pine]

Cell'dar Mine looks like the only road is from Ziyal City. Storm Blessed might be the only BG that can actually hit that without first either reloading in orbitals or taking at least part of Ziyal City

[errant pine]

I have high hopes of Hill Mine, but I'm not so sure about us securing Cell'dar Mine before reinforcements arrive.

[oblique glen]

Mhm do you think we could denote some explosives and destroy the mines (after confirming there’s no one there)

[errant pine]

Even so, if we're able to control most of the planet and space, then I feel like we've done our part. (Not that controlling the whole strat map wouldn't be AWESOME)

[errant pine]

I feel like that'd be frowned upon. Doing so harms the econ of this planet. If they didn't want the Lumarans to recover, then this would be an evac mission rather than a take and hold mission

[oblique glen]

Right right

[errant pine]

This is obviously just my takes on the situation and the job. I could be wrong...

[oblique glen]

No I think you’re right because even in a invasion you wouldn’t want your economy to be destroyed unless given a good reason

[errant pine]

@mellow briar were you going to add something? (I feel like I remember seeing you typing

[oblique glen]

They were

[mellow briar]

Yeah, also remembered the AAA has 1 AP to its name

[errant pine]

You'd bypass my armor and deal an automatic hit no matter what damage you roll. lol

ok, getting off for now. Ping me if you need anything

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bird-angry-door-fall-gif-11404358

Your pirate tyrant has returned

[smoky junco]

Yep, though that bit is just me and aether going to help

Then imediately going back to the frontline

[errant pine]

Just y'all helping with the building, sure. But the rest of us will be staying in Crossroads until y'all rejoin, so we might as well be setup to help defend it or continue securing it while y'all are working on the project.

[smoky junco]

Or you do what we do best

and break stuff

[errant pine]

🤣 why do you assume it’s either/or. lol, could be breaking stuff while doing those things.

[ebon jacinth]

A whole, entire AP!

[errant pine]

😅 I mean, 1AP can make a lot of difference sometimes.

Especially since buildings provide armor now rather that defense.

[oblique glen]

Can I point out we have 14 MBTs and SHBT

I think we’re perfectly suited to breaking down everything in our way

[mellow briar]

https://tenor.com/view/dharma-dharma-server-dharma-server-users-dharma-server-users-when-tanks-gif-20773693

[oblique glen]

Even if one is a AA turret it just shows nothing is safe in our way

[mellow briar]

I'm proud of my AA turret 😂

https://tenor.com/view/world-in-conflict-shilka-anti-air-gif-1206892096967880376

[ebon jacinth]

Talking of Dawn Breaker, is its profile public?

[wary sundial]

„Clear the skies!“

[mellow briar]

Looked around, there is like, 6 or 7 of us AAA in theater, we a rare breed 😂

[ebon jacinth]

"Sha''er their skoys!"
Regardless of the flavour of sky-shatterin', we got it covered xD

[oblique glen]

I look at the birds in the sky and ask my companions in arms remove those birds

Well we do have to rearm our fighters too

[ebon jacinth]

Is it still 1 shot - rearm?

[oblique glen]

I think so I’m not too sure I know VTOLs can shoot Willy nilly

[ebon jacinth]

Poor Willy Nilly, they've done nothing wrong

[oblique glen]

What?

[ebon jacinth]

(Nothing, just pulling your leg over autocorrect being autocorrect xD)

[oblique glen]

Huh I’m still not good at sarcasm

Thanks for trying to make a funny

[jade parcel]

Ah yes, William McNilliam
premiere ammunition manufacturer

When you need to delete a map square, make sure you're shooting Willy Nilly brand shells™️

[sage crane]

Hopefully we shouldn't need to do anything as they'll do it and then rejoin us on the strat map

But maybe we'll be forced into a tac map for it

In other news I have one exam left then I can dedicate my free time to logi fully xD

[tranquil saddle]

Damn what did willy nilly do wrong

[ebon jacinth]

This is, in fact, only tangentially sarcasm since my post was not meant in snark and mostly to point out a funny play on words (like "fire at will!")

[errant pine]

🤷‍♂️ just me going off the sheet and convo I’ve seen about our 2 bulldozers helping with construction. Haha, keeping it fluid tho since there’s a massive lack of intel and a lot of space to cover.

[oblique glen]

Space the final frontier these are the tales of the group known as Armco

XD I couldn’t help but try to make a joke

[tame mango]

Yes that would be it.

[tame mango]

and i am extremely grateful for your presence.

[supple beacon]

Morning lads.

[mellow briar]

Morning

Casually dropped a RP post, been a while since I made those.

[dusty nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[compact minnow]

Don't worry, I've been inactive longer lol

Idk what's going on, all I know is I must spill oil

[oblique glen]

Who’s playing the SPG

[supple beacon]

You can find out by checking the equipment list in the BG doc

[oblique glen]

I checked but didn’t see any of our arty being SPG

[median sail]

profile?

[oblique glen]

Hey butter how are you doing

[oblique glen]

Humor me where would you go with a orbital on the map

[versed olive]

Straight to Alden Gate

Pull a quick scout maneuver, and commit full force if there’s no one there because it was unexpected

[oblique glen]

There’s no place on the map named that

[versed olive]

https://tenor.com/view/dalebrisby-dale-karate-gif-16373187504363081008

[oblique glen]

Huh

But why go there

[versed olive]

Cause I’d assume that’s where their main logistics hub is

and also their retreat route

[oblique glen]

I feel like that’s Tora

[versed olive]

spook em enough and they’ll come crawling back from all other sector

[oblique glen]

Do you think there’s any goodies in the wreckage field

[versed olive]

Tora is their local production hub is what I’d assume, but they’re definitely getting more stuff from Alden beyond the gate

[versed olive]

Danger & Goodies

[oblique glen]

Fair point

[versed olive]

Wreckage Field is in my guess where fucking space mine be the biggest danger in that area

Cause it would just blend in and mix with the floating scraps

[oblique glen]

Agh let’s hope they don’t have that issue

What about the station near the lussan gate

[versed olive]

Future Idea, Mines on the edge of the map from where they enter and spawn camp them on future defense mission

[oblique glen]

Risk but future plans

[versed olive]

If the main planet hasn’t fallen then it should be fine, though might be an idea to see if we can contact and setup a supply logistics line or something with that station

[oblique glen]

It is a Rock station 🤔 supplies would be nice if they helped

[supple beacon]

Remember, tora could be possibly out of reach for Armco orbitals it all depends on the bots invasion force

What we need to do is prevent the bot factories from gaining resources to make more bots

On planet

[versed olive]

Tora is most definitely lost

[supple beacon]

And wait for federation forces

[oblique glen]

Nah we can win this

[wintry sapphire]

Nasaasaaaaah

We win these easy

Just how many Purple Hearts do we have?

[versed olive]

To quote shack, it has a high chance of starting lost

[supple beacon]

The best we can hope for is to liberate the planet before the feds come.

[oblique glen]

I agree that place is dead as hell but I think we can win the battle on the planet and then probably raid Tora

[versed olive]

Honestly the play would be to evac civie from east Ziyal immediately if the bot hasn’t arrived

[oblique glen]

But they will because they’ll start moving when the TF go in

[versed olive]

Cause they want the local pop for some reason Brain Transfer of the Fuzzy Lemurs

[oblique glen]

That’s assuming sorry

Protect the fuzzies

[supple beacon]

The plan is to liberate ziyal, and build defences to hold out from any bots counter attacks on the city.

That's the end goal of Venator

[tame mango]

As long as I get to blast some droids out of the sky I'm happy, but most importantly protect transports.

[oblique glen]

So we’re just sending civilians to walk back to Elim city for evacuation

[tame mango]

We know our primary goal, but not yet what will be needed to accomplish it, let's focus on moons and battlestations after that eh?

[oblique glen]

👌

Rock station 🤔

[tame mango]

Look it's their planet they know the terrain 😉

[supple beacon]

Not sure we will be able to have the orbital transports to get us there, also we are being paid to defend the planet, any extra work will come at the cost of us.

[oblique glen]

But they wanted to have a positive impact

[supple beacon]

Either way when the feds reinforce us they be able to take back tora quickly

[tame mango]

Exactly, Ziyal first, space adventures if we got the time we won't

Knowing the good captains tendencys I suspect we will likely be to busy to get to... adventurous for some time.

[oblique glen]

Nah you can find a way to do both

I think we should do a pit stop before going to Elim city

See if the rock station could give us some tools and supplies when we need it

[odd cape]

The orbital detachments might be able to do that on their swing in if they're feeling frisky with it.

[versed olive]

We're not getting reported on Fed Net, it doesn't matter, they'll just spin the tale to say "Brave Federation Infantry take the fight to the Bots!"

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-federal-network-would-you-like-to-know-more-would-you-like-to-learn-more-do-you-want-to-know-more-gif-4815603783869531621

[oblique glen]

Still couldn’t hurt to try

[smoky junco]

Looks like we’re going to need to liberate it

[strong shoal]

Hello so I was thinking are we going to join up forces with other battlegroups as a mainly tank focused regiment with abit of artillery , infantry etc....
Would it be beneficial to corporate with other battlegroups who can use our armour/support

[smoky junco]

We’re already doing that

Have been for the past… well, since we started

[strong shoal]

First campaign so idk shit that's why asked

Ty

[smoky junco]

Eh

Could be worse

Could be BG3 who I am 99% sure are going to be slaughtered in there drop

[strong shoal]

Wait bg3 why slaughtered? What's their strategy?

The orbit droppers?

If they got enemy AA close by indeed it's gonna be a blood bath

[supple beacon]

They are planning to go in head first without any support.

[wintry coral]

jesus, good luck to them

[supple beacon]

Yeah even shack posted a message on their BG chat making sure that's what they want

[strong shoal]

Lol

Maybe they change their minds

[supple beacon]

Anyway if you want to work with us our plan is to land at Elim head to cross roads then get to ziyal to liberate it.

[strong shoal]

Ok I haven't read the new rule set or the briefing so I am gonna go that bec rn it's all Greek to me

[supple beacon]

Alright lad!

[tame mango]

Because they are... The Helldivers!!🎺🎺🎺🎷🎶

[smoky junco]

Helldivers actually have drop pods

they don’t

[supple beacon]

at least the helldivers get to the ground.

[vagrant frigate]

Something I want to throw in is a secondary objectiv, ceasing a bot fabricator for imidate field use and later reverse Engineering

[median sail]

surviving, barely. what about you?

[median sail]

ground troops in space transports is a bad idea for scouting

[tranquil saddle]

Damn that's how fucked up their situation be

[sage crane]

Morning

What’d I miss

[ebon jacinth]

Stats, guns, etc ^^

[sage crane]

To be uber specific we want to defend Ziyal from any attacks, and if we have to, liberate it. We and spearhead are acting as the main prongs of this, while Redwall is going to be bringing up the defences

Also once again people, if you see a logi truck try and recruit them, having our arty available the moment we’re in combat would be a god send

We’re missing capacity for one right now

Plus that’s 5 extra small supply

[median sail]

2d6 main battle cannon, Hits 5 armor 3 speed 1 with fuel tanks

[tranquil saddle]

BIG MF

[ebon jacinth]

Damn

[tranquil saddle]

big cannon

[median sail]

Yep, 5 rec well spent

[sage crane]

I know I already said it but I just realised HOW MUCH we need more logi trucks, please please please recruit any you see

[median sail]

Yea we do, do we have any?

[sage crane]

1

Spear wall has 1

Spearhead*

And Redwall has 2

[distant olive]

oh damn we realllly need logi

[sage crane]

Yes

So bad

[tranquil saddle]

ª

[sage crane]

Very a

Ok the good news is we only have to deal with 4 arty

[distant olive]

when it is not possible to field arty i can (dont want to but can) look for a different BG

[sage crane]

A HAT can carry 30 supply, divided by 4 is 7.5 rounds of continued fire

[sage crane]

No no it’s very possible to field you

It’s just intensive on the logi

[sage crane]

Plus the 12 from Logi Truck should be 10.5 rounds of fire overall without dedicating too much of our overall supplies

[slate hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/baneblade-warhammer-40k-tank-gif-16557244

a big chonker

[sage crane]

Wait does the SHBT need to reload

Please say no

[distant olive]

that should be enough right?

[sage crane]

More than enough if we’re to assume not firing every round, plus late entry etc etc

[sage crane]

@median sail

[median sail]

Not that I've heard

[sage crane]

Ok thank the ancestors

[median sail]

Otherwise I'm really screwed

[sage crane]

Yeah

[median sail]

Cause I can only reload fuel tanks at a base, not sure if a deployed logi truck counts as a base

[sage crane]

Will have to wait for shack on that

[sage crane]

Uhh Nevermind

Too
Many numbers they can only carry 25

And logi trucks 10

So that’s 9 rounds

[fallow scaffold]

If you have enough logi trucks then Shovels could probably make supply drops

[sage crane]

We have the supply drop ability it’s the lack of logi trucks

I was just spitballing above on how many HATs we need to dedicate to arty

[ebon jacinth]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "now" (I know it's been like that for a bit xD) the "Supplied" status in a base is not a currency, but a label that is either on or off, right? It's not consumed by pulling supplies, but by the passing of turns

[fallow scaffold]

Correct

So LS need to be brought to the airfield every 2-3 rounds. Morpheus has the large supply depot so the main airfield should be opeational for 3 rounds per LS

[ebon jacinth]

Which units can carry Mediums?

[median sail]

Problem with that is I'm not on when he is

[sage crane]

I’ll ask for you

[sage crane]

That’s good

[median sail]

Thanks

[sage crane]

It still isn’t gonna help much with Ziyal sadly

Because we don’t have the resources to sortie nor can you resupply somewhere else with a sortie

[wary sundial]

is that regarding supplying or driving them? cuz one is an SPG

[fallow scaffold]

Interesting question might be if the large supply depot can store LS. That would allow for BG sorties

[sage crane]

Sippy

Supply

One arty may have to sit in a HAT rn

But hopefully we get an extra logi truck

[sage crane]

I mean it wouldn’t do much

Fighters could come in for extra AA for 1-2 rounds

[wary sundial]

I woud be fine with waiting for the airfield to come up

can VTOLs carry supply?

[sage crane]

Yes

But fair warning wiyh the HAT

It’s basically just does shack feel like there’s an airfield in Ziyal

Because if not we cannot land you unless we have to all go back to crossroads for some reason

[wary sundial]

I hope we get someone to scout the city before we pass crossroads xD

[sage crane]

Hopefully so

[wise mauve]

Yall in need of a fighter pilot yes?

[wary sundial]

I am a but on the backfoot rn, if there isnt an airfield in Ziyal then what exactly do we do with our fighters and HATs? like do they just circle in the outback of the tactical map as they cannot leave the area?

[sage crane]

So many issues are immediately solved just by having there be an airfield

[wary sundial]

one slot is open!

[sage crane]

That’s the issue

[wise mauve]

I wants it.

[wary sundial]

we are absolutely cooked if there isnt, i see xDDD

[sage crane]

I wish I could be more positive but we can do fuck all about it

It’s hope and pray because the only airfield building is building one in crossroads

And no one has the infrastructure to supply LS to BGs for sortie

And even if they could ha ha

Sorties can’t land at other airfields for some bloody reason

[wary sundial]

I think technically TF-2 could, they have 2 small frieghters which have cargo bays but I doubt they want to as they need LS too :/

[sage crane]

Again there’s just 0 point to do it sadly

[wary sundial]

Are sorties limited to "1 strat zone away" or can they go from anywhere to anywhere?

[sage crane]

Anywhere to anywhere I believe

[wary sundial]

then I am unsure about the purpose of the airfield of Crossroads, is it just to enable deploying?

[wary sundial]

the sheet is pinned
ya can just throw your name on it and you are good to go 👌

[sage crane]

I believe shovels are building it up as a fallback point of sorts

[signal coyote]

Out of curiosity how are orders gonna be sent through our TACCOM

Will there be a document we use?

[wise mauve]

Alright I'm in

[fallow scaffold]

#1327290771048628278 will have a forum for each TF/BG where players will send their orders.
One Forum will be for the Tac-Com maps then

[signal coyote]

Balling

[wary sundial]

did.. did you take one of the closed slots? xD

I mean makes no difference, just funny

[signal coyote]

I mean he probably should move it up to prevent confusion

One slot

Logi

[slate hemlock]

one plane slot is open from what I see

[signal coyote]

Nah

[wary sundial]

yeah but it isnt

[signal coyote]

Globe put his data in the wrong slot

[wary sundial]

he probably simply thought it was someone reserving the spot so he put himself in one of the closed ones

[signal coyote]

(Tf kinda autocorrect?)

[slate hemlock]

....oh so that is why it's shifted

[signal coyote]

Fixed it

[wary sundial]

semi

[slate hemlock]

also we have the main TACCOM, head of logi, and lead of engis, since we are the biggest BG should we also think about getting a head of air and head of ground operation?

[sage crane]

It’s not really heads of stuff

I’m head of logi simply because I wanted the fun of figuring out where supply is

I genuinely didny know we had a head engi

[slate hemlock]

• from the sheet american180 (555th) Lead engineers

[sage crane]

I see

I suppose it is easier for coordination

[little egret]

Yeah

The purpose is simply to help coordinate who does what when everything falls apart and the fecal matter hits the rotary impeller and we have to have the engines doing like 5 things at once

[ebon jacinth]

Ah, yes, the rotary matter

[median sail]

i don't mind helping make plans for ground

[tranquil saddle]

Let the holy one decide the ground offece

[sage crane]

Average tech priest

[sage crane]

Seems like a good idea, basically what I’m doing just for logi

[oblique glen]

I vote for golem to be ground vehicle leader

Joking

[topaz depot]

i would assume, that head of air is a bit too much

like, VTOLs and HATs would probably just work alongside logi - and 5 fighters probably can figure it out on our own?

[sage crane]

Let’s just not put too much pressure on the command structure idea

I only did logi head because I forsaw the current issues already occurring

And even then I’m not saying anyone in logi HAS to do anything, just what is the best way to manage our supplies

[modest shale]

speaking of which how many taccoms we got now?

[oblique glen]

2

[modest shale]

closing to 60 if were still at 2 we may need to look for another?

for the sake of ease of course

[oblique glen]

But will figure out what to do on the fly

[errant pine]

good [morning, afternoon, night] Venator!

[supple beacon]

I would like to clear up that its not a real command structure, we have no real authority over you. We are players just like you.

Its mostly a RP thing tbh XD

[errant pine]

I mean…for map making, yeah. But XSword was asked and accepted a backup TCO position for non-map making.

[errant pine]

💯 TCOs collect orders, confirm validity, combine into a BG map, and send the BG map to GM. Outside of that, they’re just players like the rest.

[wise mauve]

O

[supple beacon]

oh btw welcome to venator lad!

your task will be important for the safe being of the HAT fleet!

[wary sundial]

dw JMFragger fixed it ^^

[median sail]

@supple beacon

Here is dawn finally finished

[sage crane]

DE BANEBLADE

[modest shale]

Oho!

[median sail]

Shadow sword model

[modest shale]

Very sexy

I see you Armco symbol

and the reserve fuel tanks, very nice

[supple beacon]

That is awesome!

[errant pine]

Very well done. Love the logo.

[ebon jacinth]

Love it ^^

[errant pine]

everyone, as a reminder, make sure you have activated your unit. It’d be a rough surprise for the campaign to start and people to have missed that step

[tranquil saddle]

BANEBLADE HELL YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[sage crane]

I’m gonna be checking this through later, I have enough time

[errant pine]

Running the company show command is easy enough (especially on a computer), just figured I’d do a general post too.

Also, howdy XSword!

[sage crane]

Hiya!

Wrong reply but still

[sage crane]

Yeah exactly

[errant pine]

Got what, 8ish days now until round 1 starts

Anyone here familiar with Strategic Layer movement? My understanding would be that TF 1 would take 2 rounds to reach Elim City (if that is their target), since their slowest unit has speed 1.

[ebon jacinth]

Alas, I'm as green as you are in the matters of SL movement

[wanton tundra]

There were talks of them consuming LS to double speed and get there in 1 round. I think that might have fallen through though idk

[oblique glen]

Could we go over 60 players on the cap just curious

[wanton tundra]

No 60 players in a BG is a hard limit set by Shack in the game rules. You would have to get some kind of exception from him personally

[oblique glen]

Okay hmm so the slowest units we have are speed one

Our we plan to carry majority of our troops via hats and HVOTLs

[wanton tundra]

Your HATs are basically the best solution for you. You’ve got some ground based transport options so make sure to use those and then figure out whatever distribution you want to also get as much supply as you need

[errant pine]

XSword has been working through logistics, but I’d be surprised if we weren’t speed 2 for a lot of the Strategic Layer movement. Between IFVs, HVTOLs, HATs, and Logi trucks we should be able to transport the speed 1 units.

Keep in mind too that 1 of the arty is actually a SPG which has speed 2 on their own.

[oblique glen]

Hmm but can we double the speed to move quickly in extreme conditions

[errant pine]

🤔 LVs too I guess since we have smaller squads too.

[wanton tundra]

Rush the infantry at least although it’s somewhat risky

[errant pine]

I think air units lost that ability, so…no cause the BG has to all be on the same strategic point

[wise mauve]

Glad to finally do something.

[oblique glen]

Okay then besides I feel bad saying that when everyone is hoping to play not just being shipped around the battlefield

[errant pine]

I mean, Strategic Layer is the slowest non-transported movement…Tactical is the same it’s always been, just Air can’t rush.

[oblique glen]

Yeah so we could move at speed 4 and risk double damage or play safe and move at speed 2

[errant pine]

I’m hoping to see a secured spaceport and airfield in Elim by round 3, and an airfield in Crosswords within 1-2 rounds of that. So even if Arty is in HATs, they’d be able to deploy relatively quickly. Tho another option is to do like Crazy is doing in DF and loading them onto the truck beds of the Logi trucks as well as Logi trucks towing.

I think HVTOLs would need to unload them, but that’d still be more reliable than needing an airfield and the HATs could carry supply where the Arty would’ve been. 🤷‍♂️

[errant pine]

🤔 you know what…I don’t actually know if Rush is available on the strategic map, cause how would you take double damage when combat doesn’t happen on that layer.

At any rate, if I’m understanding correctly…2 speed on Strategic is enough to go from gate to city, and then city to Crossroads assuming no Tactical map for L-H

[oblique glen]

But if you want we have enough space for all of the MBTs that we could move faster with LMs and IFVs and LVs

Just charge straight to the Z city

[errant pine]

😜 even if we could transport all the speed 1-2 units without support, we’d be leaving support behind and have loaded HATs that’d need a secured airfield in Ziyal to unload the armor.

[oblique glen]

Huh that’s a gamble strategy

Which is a option if were feeling lucky

[errant pine]

Either way, we should have intel before our BG lands since there are others who plan on deploying round 1 via self deployment and TF support.

Personally, I like securing Crossroads and getting that airfield up before trying to push further…but I’m also trying to remain fluid especially while our only intel is months old and doesn’t include troop numbers and such.

[sage crane]

We are

We have actually got extra space

I need to check rules again quickly

Ah yes

So we have one logi truck carrying 12 FS total of inf, towing once piece of arty

Spearheads logi truck volenteered to tow another arty piece as they are also speed 2 and going the same route as us

3rd arty piece is waiting for a logi truck, but if not I believe we have a spare HVTOL anyways, because Dave said he might not be taking the bunker

then we have 48FS of infantry scattered throughout HATs and VTOLs, obviously fill vtols because they carry both units and supply, whereas HAT's can only do one or another per slot

And yeah thats all speed 1s accounted for

[errant pine]

You have the LV and IFVs empty or loading those too? (Asking purely out of curiosity since I too enjoy logistics)

[sage crane]

Honestly I forgot about them haha

I'll check their capacity now

Oh shit

HATs only have to carry a single infantry unit

18 off IFV
18 off VTOL
4 off LV
12 off Logi truck(though this could be switched with a HAT so the LT can carry in supplies, they have the same per slot ratio)

So 52/58 FS

[errant pine]

Just need an engi, medic, or med corp to be the one in the LV.

[errant pine]

If I bring the bunker, I’d likely deploy it by the airfield in Crossroads if I hadn’t used it before. I’ll have an answer for y’all on that before we offload from the freighters. Just waiting for BG 9 to develop their build plans.

[sage crane]

Lars has volenteered to sit in a HAT if you don't

[sage shale]

Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly: We are waiting til a suicide group captures an airport somewhere (presumably crossroads?) Then we are making our way to save Ziyal City, evacing the civies to the other city while it gets fortified by another BG?

[sage crane]

Uh yesn't

We're letting someone else secure a starport, likely at Elim

Landing with the NPC ships there

Going to Ziyal and shooting bots

Not sure where you got the civie bit from, that's someone elses job

Quite hard to do that in tanks xD

[sage shale]

Well it's an assumption but I'd imagine some civies are still in Ziyal, so no point in even going there if not. If we find out they are all dead we could pivot from freeing civs to taking out the mines I suppose

[sage crane]

The idea was never to free civies though, the idea was we'd be a massive roadblock in the way of the bots

[sage shale]

If there are bots already in Ziyal, which I bet there is, it's the same thing. I doubt they'd just let us roll by to their back lines. They are bots, but still.

[topaz depot]

yeah, we're mostly assist in any evac by engaging bot's frontlines

[sage crane]

Yes

That comes under the "kill the bots" bit xD

[sage shale]

Thing is, I'd be surprised if the civs aren't inbedded in the front lines. We have to kill bots for the civs to evacuate the city, they'll get gunned down elsewise.

[sage crane]

I think that's gonna fall more on Spearhead

[errant pine]

BGs 5 and 6 are coming with us and are better equipped for helping civilians in the way it’s normally thought.

[sage shale]

So we are flanking then? Like outside the city?

[sage crane]

no...

We're driving in with a bunch of tanks and doing as much damage as we can

[errant pine]

In that sense, sure. Lol, we help the civs by applying AP rounds to the bots

[topaz depot]

i suppose, vtols and logis can take some non-combatants after brining in supplies

[sage crane]

Spearhead are a majority infantry BG who will be sweeping in with us

Redwall are basically fortfying and healing people

[sage shale]

I don't see the difference here. If I'm interpreting your meaning, I think you might be thinking I'm saying we transport them, which I'm not. I'm saying, we give them the window to get out themselves. "Freeing" them if you will, from the danger of escape.

[sage crane]

Oh that reminds me @wise mauve @topaz depot @versed olive @thorny night @tame mango After discussion with Shack in meta comm, i really recommend you join up with one of the smaller TFs instead of us, simply because we cannot guarantee that you can land anywhere to rearm, and having you be able to land with a TF in high orbit makes more sense

I'm not saying you have to leave, no one has the authority to do that xD
Just highly recommending it

[sage shale]

If the situation is absolutely dire and far worse than we anticipated where they are completely unable to evac without our help, this might be needed. But I believe we are direly short on supply so it'd be a last resort, sadly. It'd make more sense to have the IFVs do it once we make contact since we can't carry supply and are useless in combat. Could ferry civs back and infantry from other bg forward on our way back to the front

[sage crane]

Yeah very much this

We basically need the Logi trucks to work with the HATs to bring down as much supply as possible

And again, Spearhead are very equipped to do exactly that

[sage shale]

Yeah, and we need that for arty, tho, we have to use arty sparingly once we get to Ziyal due to collateral.

[sage shale]

If the infantry bg falls to far behind, us IFVs, could ferry civs to them from the front, then grab the lagging infantry and bring them up closer. Hit two birds with one stone.

[sage crane]

They have enough movement to keep up, they're a speed two on the strategic map

[sage shale]

Us IFVs won't be much help in combat as we are poorly armed, and have huge carry capacity for bodies, excluding anyone with the range upgrade ofc. I would like to be moving stuff constanty

[sage shale]

Infantry have the same speed as vehicles? Since when?

[sage crane]

They have a ton of IFVs and LVs iirc

[sage shale]

Oh, that's what you mean.

Well what are us IFVs gonna do tho once we make a front line? Or we just gonna keep advancing as far as we can?

[sage crane]

Keep on shooting till the bots are dead or we are I suppose

In seriousness we haven't planned that far

Hell we could get there and Elim is the last city standing

[sage shale]

Yeah. It's entirely possible that another bg loses transports, we have to transport civs, and most of the enemy force flies. 🤣

Could be warhammer style bots or could be forerunner bots. We don't know. I'd hate to find out the latter cause I can't shoot flying things.

[sage crane]

We know they duplicate so thats a.. bad thing?

[sage shale]

Honestly, since they mentioned factories that produce them, I'm getting helldivers vibes, which if so, we should be relatively okay.

[sage shale]

Field factories to be specific

[dusty nimbus]

Do we have a TF to deploy us yet? (havent been keeping up with the planning for the last couple days)

[sage crane]

Nay

We're getting the NPC drop to a starport

[dusty nimbus]

do we know where a starport is yet or are we just hoping we can cap one quickly?

im really not too versed in how the new strategic ruleset works

[topaz depot]

no, we don't know yet

[static galleon]

Cue the factory strider

[sage crane]

There will be one

We just don't know where

[dusty nimbus]

is it possible the bots control it at the start of the campaign?

[sage crane]

and also they are found usually in major cities

[sage crane]

They could but we just lose the campaign at that point

[static galleon]

In fairness, if there is no friendly airport left on the planet to land on, the planet is lost and whats the point you know

[topaz depot]

ok, i will move to Shovels - see you all once we'll be able to organise a sortie or something
good luck with botsmashing!

[dusty nimbus]

[static galleon]

See you planetside

[versed olive]

TF is suffering the same problem 💀

[sage crane]

Wdym

💀

They literally have LS to do that

[wise mauve]

I see

[versed olive]

But not the flight deck

[sage crane]

one of them has room for you i'm sure

[versed olive]

Just went through Fluffle & Atlas

full

[sage crane]

Dang

Uh

well you can stay if you want like i said

[versed olive]

Will have to wait until Shack pulls more ship out of Armco NPC fleet

[dusty nimbus]

even after doubling the flight deck space we dont have enough 💀

we just dont have the orbital logistics to handle our forces

[sage crane]

He's not

The only ships we get are the ones to drop us off

So i'm assuming you're staying with us then?

[oblique glen]

Oh man what did you peeps vote for

[sage crane]

Hey i'm not on the orbital if it goes boom

[oblique glen]

So you didn’t vote

[rancid orbit]

I don't want to be responsible for an orbital casualty

[sage crane]

I voted for it

[wind bear]

Howdy gang, daily check in!

Just FYI, Ulta has changed plans and are moving South. Redwall is the only Infantry BG moving up with you.

In other news, we have a new logi truck 🥲

[sage crane]

We(I actually) didn't know Ultra was even hitting Ziyal

Well Marl too at least

[tame mango]

Welcome to the team.

[static galleon]

If I understood correctly, that would mean we don't need to send any of our inf on HATs, correct?

(The logi thing)

[wind bear]

I think the larger (Campaign-wide) problem will be lack of supplies. Your inf can march in our Columns tho.

[tame mango]

If I were a pirate I'd say something like I consider orders as more of guidelines .

[wind bear]

Correct. Im from Redwall. Im just coordinating with Venator and Spearhead as well be operating with the same objectives.

[tame mango]

Here is hoping we don't get to spread out. Any fighters in Redwall?

[wind bear]

We have 1 fighter

You guys have the most AA too 😆

[tame mango]

Mmmm. That's a lot of ground pounders for 1 fighter, we will try to cover you best we can, 6 fighters between the 2 battle groups, our AAA wouldn't miss us if we were gone to long right?

[wind bear]

That isn't to say the TF wont direct Fighters or Orbital assistance, but I imagine it'll depend on the larger scope of the Campaign.

I'd like to think well be okay, but strictly speaking, I think we'll be the ground sector most likely to see air units.

Also, quick addendum, Ultra is going to Haydar village. Not the mines.

[tame mango]

As long as it doesn't turn into a blitzkrieg in france situation where the tanks leave you in the dust, we should be able to cover you without to much trouble.

[errant pine]

Venator also has a quad AA MBT for ground based anti-airborne

[tame mango]

I know, we should be ok, it just depends how much air is thrown at us.

[sage crane]

I don't believe you can share units on the back of other peoples transports

And even then Redwall is a 1 speed on strat map, so we'd outpace them so we can't

[static galleon]

Ah I forgot they were from another BG lol

[oblique glen]

Can we carry red wall

Or is it not allowed in this campaign

[errant pine]

I assumed they could cause TFs deploy BGs and it’s a similar thing…I don’t see it on the Q/A and I’m not gonna go through a rule clarifications doc on mobile. lol

[oblique glen]

I see 🤔 who has the lowest player count and is coming with us to Ziyal city

Maybe we can use them to go to the crossroads ahead of us and do massive Paradrop operation

[errant pine]

I think most going to Ziyal have at least speed 2 same as us

[fallow scaffold]

Shovels slows even down

[oblique glen]

I can’t stop thinking about how this might look like we’re a bunch of angry techno barbarians marching towards a city with a bunch scrapped vehicles and old time military equipment

[errant pine]

🤣 we’re definitely not who you hire if you want shiny top of the line equipment.

[errant pine]

Y’all can move super fast, right?

[fallow scaffold]

Complete HAT transport but two VTOLs otherwise we would be even faster than Storm 😅

[errant pine]

Those shovels move FAST. Lol

[wind bear]

Unfortunately, we cant ride tanks. There were some memes a day or two ago about using them as spaced armor lol

[fallow scaffold]

Hello Brick 👋

[azure coral]

Are we actually lining up in platoons and brigades or is it going to be more laxed, like before?

[dusty nimbus]

on the tactical side of things, its the same. the changes are all on the strategic map.

[wind bear]

Hello! I've actually switched to Logi for Redwall. So I'm Mortar now LOL

Redwalls old company map lol

[strong shoal]

Welcome in

[fallow scaffold]

Oh cool! Good luck as logi this campaign!

[strong shoal]

Yeah you gonna need that luck I don't see a lot of hope in this situation too many tanks and artillerys that's gonna need a lot of coordinations with others to cover the upkeep of rounds used

[mellow briar]

I wonder what's the ratios of unit type across the campaign currenlty.

[dusty nimbus]

From S.A.M:

unit_type unit_count percentage
MBT 30 6.72646
MEDIC 24 5.38117
INFANTRY 87 19.50673
MECH 48 10.76233
VTOL 31 6.95067
FIGHTER 25 5.60538
MEDICALCORP 2 0.44843
IFV 27 6.05381
ENGINEER 32 7.17489
HEAVYVTOL 6 1.34529
ODT 6 1.34529
BOMBER 7 1.56951
LIGHT_VEHICLE 18 4.03587
HAT 17 3.81166
COMBATMEDIC 2 0.44843
SPECOPSVTOL 1 0.22422
ARTILLERY 14 3.13901
PAI 13 2.91480
SPGARTILLERY 2 0.44843
FIELDENGINEERS 2 0.44843
HEAVYTRUCK 2 0.44843
SPECIALFORCES 2 0.44843
LOGITRUCK 14 3.13901
ARMOREDLOGI 1 0.22422
SHBT 1 0.22422
HEAVYGUNSHIP 1 0.22422
CAPTAIN 9 2.01794
CREW 22 4.93274

[mellow briar]

I'm input that into a google sheet and be right back lol

[ebon jacinth]

Ngl, I wasn't expecting almost one unit in 5 being boots

[ebon jacinth]

We have pie!

[mellow briar]

Also we have about half the tanks of the entire theater here

[ebon jacinth]

DAMN!

We need all the tanks in the theatre!

[mellow briar]

We ARE the spearhead lol

[smoky junco]

Anything’s I missed?

[wary sundial]

To quote a great song
„We are the best, we are the best there is no contest“