Task Force 2 - Atlas: Comms

[royal sequoia]

I am discovered :/

[pliant fjord]

tout va bien!

on that line, would a "general time-zone" poll be helpful?
We'd get 4 distinct "shifts"

[royal sequoia]

Nah it works pretty well as it is

Imo

Our shifts complete each other very well

[pliant fjord]

If you want to draw up a few tactical plans, feel free to make another tab in our growing document

[turbid kernel]

Whoops, missed a bit.
A) we can deploy BGs at a Starport without landing gear. But I believe we have to go to low orbit to do so. Which can be risky.

B) I believe we are still planning to get TF1 to Elim since they're our best bet for taking on Orbitals, but this can obviously change if we want to discuss it more.

[topaz rivet]

Elim seems most likely, since I doubt Shack will give it to us for free

[jagged pagoda]

Indeed

I'm anticipating Case Red/Orange, or somewhere in-between.

[royal sequoia]

I guess if it's Elim, we can always drop Pathfinder or Iron Hammer there too, it'll still be one or two turns ahead of (npc transport) time

[turbid kernel]

Yeah, and it would give Storm some breathing room. Only issue is Pathfinders are 21 last I checked so it's 3 LS to move them around. But a new BC might be able to cover that

[royal sequoia]

21?! That's a lot

[turbid kernel]

Agreed

[wet shore]

21? no, we're 18 atm

[turbid kernel]

Did I miscount? I'll double check

[wet shore]

Sheet goes to row 21, but only 17 on the list and we've got one waiting to get off work

[turbid kernel]

Yep you're right, got used to the way I do stuff lol so 2 LS instead of 3

[royal sequoia]

it will depend on the tuesday BC then I guess. Spending more than three LS sounds like a lot

Actually, do you guys at Pathfinder need/want transportation?

[wet shore]

We would appreciate the lift if you've got the room - Southpaw would really like to be able to run interference and scouting for Storm

[royal sequoia]

Isn't it 5 units per ls? So 4 ls in that case?

[turbid kernel]

Yep, numbers aren't my strong suit today. Need more sleep

[royal sequoia]

I totally understand that issue

[pliant fjord]

@round dawn Hey there, this is Atlas, no pressure at all, but if you're looking for a ship with OD capabilities, The Endurance has two pods, but only 3 ODTs. You'd be welcome to join us if you want to do Helldiver things. We're planning to support Iron Hammer and Flying Shovels in taking the Crossroads anyway!
(The pods launch 2 ODTs at once)

[solid hare]

So I'm hearing we have two drop zones or it it just one big drop area with two other groups landing

[pliant fjord]

Drops are limited to one tactical map, but otherwise we can drop anywhere from high orbit.

[royal sequoia]

We have two potential drop zones, but then one we pick will depend on the intel

[wide quiver]

We don't even know what the maps look like. Do we?

[royal sequoia]

We have a rough idea for crossroads

but yeah nothing actually useful

[pliant fjord]

@adam, not really,
once we're at an orbital zone, we can only drop at the corresponding ground map

[round dawn]

i don't really understand being part of/inside orbitals and i don't want to confuse myself trying to so i'll have to decline

[pliant fjord]

Fair! Good hunting, and we'll see you on the ground when the time comes!

[royal sequoia]

Nice try 🙂 A fourth ODT would have been great

[pliant fjord]

twas worth a shot, but I aint gonna poach without enthusiastic permission

[royal sequoia]

Yeah definitely

I'm also pretty happy about our current manpower situation

(unless you find a HVTOL) (until the Tuesday BC joins up)

[hot haven]

i have no idea what this Tuesday BC is and at this point im afraid to ask

[plain dew]

lucky for you, i wasnt afraid

basically: there is a player who is deciding what they want to do

they will decide on tuesday, and one of the options is a battle cruisor

Thus it has been named: Tuesday BC

[hot haven]

i see, thx for the info

[pliant fjord]

Which is why I asked nicely, and respected when he said no.

[humble urchin]

Which I respecc.

I just find this emote too fitting for stuff xD

Sadly we'll have to keep our special ODT cookie it seems

I mean sadly for you, happily for us

[pliant fjord]

it did make me giggle

[humble urchin]

But just sadly because ODT, orbital, like

YOU GET MY POINT ATLAS xD

Where's the manager, @strange wigeon NALLAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[humble urchin]

great :D

[jagged pagoda]

Your manager?

[humble urchin]

I don't know, I'm looking for A manager, I think ?

[jagged pagoda]

Is your name Karen by chance?

[strange wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-go-do-it-go-go-go-gif-12909982

[humble urchin]

Maybe ????

[river vector]

Hey guys how many guns do you have

[royal sequoia]

what kind of guns

[river vector]

Any you can use against fighters or orbitals

[pliant fjord]

Two HMGs, One Autocannon

[royal sequoia]

5 fighters, 2 bombers

[river vector]

Roger expect contact right out the gate

Two confirmed hostiles seven unknown

Heyyyy Atlas

I got a proposal for you all

There’s a frigate in orbit around the city. It has space to ground (high orbit to low orbit) munitions that we really want. I heard you guys have marines. You have any interest in helping us board the ship?

[pliant fjord]

Elim?

[river vector]

Yup

[pliant fjord]

It fits with our plan B, which is looking more and more likely

[river vector]

We will cover you going in hopefully assuming we don’t get stuck in combat at NAV1

[pliant fjord]

our only real boarding options include our 1 VTOL, and a hard dock to a disabled ship, do you have something to facilitate that?

[loud mulch]

We can beat the ever living pulp out of it XD

[shadow sigil]

We were asking you to use your VTOL.
We can give you really good fighter cover

[loud mulch]

We might be able to lend you marines if necessary as well

[river vector]

Take a look at how many guns we have we will knock it around as much as possible

[pliant fjord]

oh, we've got hella marines

[royal sequoia]

let's see what the mid round events look like

it's exciting

and we might actually want to exit space asap instead of waiting for tf1 if it's just a frigate

[river vector]

There’s more around the gate we think

But not certain what the unknowns are

[pliant fjord]

where is this intel coming from?

[loud mulch]

If this plan goes through, we're more than okay with letting you keep it for TF2, as ground support weapons work well with you guys

[pliant fjord]

the frigate I mean

[river vector]

Mat

The spec OPS unit

[unborn stirrup]

It over the elim city in high orbits

[plain dew]

Oh my god its a code black hohoho lets gooo

[pliant fjord]

if it's the only one, it definitely seems worth the effort

[noble owl]

Lots of unknown space signatures. Likely enemy fighters number 7-10 total from what we have seen

[pliant fjord]

I'm game, and am down to board myself if we don't have any other volunteers

[atomic comet]

The ship might also not be there anymore when the next message comes through

[loud mulch]

We believe it is for now if there was somrthing close to it, I believe it would show up on the same scan

[pliant fjord]

true

I'll put it down as an addendum for plan B***

[river vector]

There’s a possibility but if we can steal those high orbit missiles it would be amazing

[plain dew]

how/where do you know this?

[pliant fjord]

SpecOps is in direct communication with them

[unborn stirrup]

The missile are from the east not the ship

[plain dew]

whatttt

so its not info from midround events?

[loud mulch]

Unfortunate

[pliant fjord]

ah, boo. we'll just have to blow up the frigate then

[strange wigeon]

Not yet at least. But Spec Ops is part of BG 3 and were leaking sicne they didnt die. :x

[loud mulch]

Doesn't mean we can't board if you guys want to, and that doesn't mean those missile don't belong to another ship

[river vector]

Ah damn I really wanted high orbit weapons oh well guess they die now that they’re not useful

[pliant fjord]

FYI, this is Shack's TF, so if y'all be breaking rules, best quit while you're ahead

[river vector]

Huh?

[loud mulch]

I don't believe we are

[pliant fjord]

dunno how much SpecOps is allowed to share, just pointing that out

[river vector]

I don’t think we are

[unborn stirrup]

We where told we could tell

By shack

[pliant fjord]

sick, that's all I needed to know

[loud mulch]

Yeah I remember Spec ops being able to tell in C3 as well

[plain dew]

where do the goodies live? is there a greater map we can look at?

[pliant fjord]

midround-events is the primary source, everything else is word of mouth for now

[plain dew]

I want the unofficial goodies, how else will i be able to make baseless speculation and over react?

[pliant fjord]

you can hang out in BG 3's chat to follow it

[jagged pagoda]

Well shit... Code black

[noble owl]

Very much so😆

[topaz rivet]

Maybe not. We don’t know anything about the planet

[noble owl]

We do from the spec ops directly. It’s code black

[jagged pagoda]

Good luck fighters :D

[topaz rivet]

Even worse, I included Case Black for “we’re screwed, let’s go home” planning

[noble owl]

We must save the otters

[royal sequoia]

exciting stuff

I think there's a real call for rushing ahead asap

[plain dew]

its "code black, but we can spank the bots at least for now"

[jagged pagoda]

Might as well make it official :/

[plain dew]

Also IMO... sticking together at least at the start

[midnight lotus]

its going to be a struggle

[jagged pagoda]

We have the numbers advantage for now

We should use it as much as we can

[midnight lotus]

do we?

[jagged pagoda]

For now.

[noble owl]

Idk the latest report said they were appearing in large numbers

[plain dew]

especially if theres smaller enemy forces trying to clean up the otters. We cant be having our smaller forces run off alone and get surrounded/cut off.

[noble owl]

Ground forces will need to coordinate very tightly for sure. We need to play this well to minimize losses in the city and establish a coordinated push to crossroads

[jagged pagoda]

Agreed

I think TF3 can no longer justify scouting unless we dramatically outnumber the bots in space 😅

[plain dew]

i am also eyeing that mining ability if someone has that as a crew upgrade.

We could drop it to protect the refugees while they hide out at that asteroid

[jagged pagoda]

There's an upgrade for that?

[plain dew]

Yup

its cost 2 LS to deploy... which is hefty...

[ember python]

we really should nail down all our remaining CS and get everything squared away before contact

[jagged pagoda]

Agreed

[ember python]

whats on our wishlist right now? more cargo? point defense?

[jagged pagoda]

Probably just Cargo

[pliant fjord]

offensive weapons or another VTOL player

[jagged pagoda]

That too

[pliant fjord]

more Cargo is probably always gonna be good now

[jagged pagoda]

Actually yeah, guns would probably be more helpful 😅

I wonder if we could secure the mining aasteroid, could we produce our own LS?

🤔

[shadow sigil]

Probably not. But that would be nice if we could

[jagged pagoda]

Agreed

[royal sequoia]

we need cargo

[topaz rivet]

So T1 orders are to move to high orbit over Elim?

[royal sequoia]

we can't supply people properly without more cargo

[ember python]

im not sure how effective it would be but, mech doors on Endurance would allow us LMs to walk out on Endurance's hull and pop shots off at enemy aerospace assets. i'm not convinced thats better than just hauling more cargo though

[noble owl]

This is going to be a long campaign. The more supplies the better😅

[jagged pagoda]

Agreed

[maiden belfry]

that otter? is cute as hell, how exciting

[pliant fjord]

Ok, Scouts report that the Starport is contested

[jagged pagoda]

Where?

[pliant fjord]

Elim

That means we are 100% on plan B

[jagged pagoda]

Code red?

[pliant fjord]

I can make a poll to allow a vote if anyone wants, but this whole thing will go really badly if we can't get that port

[topaz rivet]

Though I hope contested means a clear (enough) landing site for Stormblessed

[jagged pagoda]

This looks like code red, rather than code black

[noble owl]

Contested but still under our control for now

[pliant fjord]

The ships at the gate seem more like scouts than a full combat task force

so yea, Case Red

[jagged pagoda]

Which doesn't bode well

:|

[topaz rivet]

There are significant transport resources available in system, with landing gear

[jagged pagoda]

Poggers

[topaz rivet]

Depending on the strength of enemy forces we may not want to drop at Elim but instead hit crossroads or, if Shovels aren’t relying on us, perhaps Hill Mine if the enemy isn’t there in force

[jagged pagoda]

Hill Mine would be good if there are still survivors, plus it's right next to Crossroads, so it might take some pressure off there.

[noble owl]

I think trying to land at crossroads would be a death sentence no question. We know they have strategic missile systems placed there and likely heavy AA as well

[jagged pagoda]

Yes, they see the strategic importance as well

[unborn portal]

the defenders should be reinforced first, they might be in a desperate position

[jagged pagoda]

So they're probably using it as we would use it

[jagged pagoda]

They might have more supplies/troops

As well

Plus it denies the bots of their kidnapping

[noble owl]

Nvm misunderstood

Yeah Elim city defenders are in bad shape

[jagged pagoda]

All are in bad shape, except us (to an extent)

And the bots...

The bots are in great shape

[solid hare]

We're botsterminating?

Terminating the terminators?

Woooo!

[jagged pagoda]

I think the two key ground targets are the two mines, to deny the bots any ores that might help them mantain strength

[turbid kernel]

Well, shit

That really changes up some plans

[jagged pagoda]

Indeed

Boutta be the first invasion of Geonosis up in here XD

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-landing-gif-19999086

[turbid kernel]

Are those friendly fleets holding the gate? I'm worried about our Case Red becoming a Case Black

[river vector]

No, there are hostiles in the gate

The gate is contested

There was at least one civilian ship

[loud mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/104th-starwars-ct-rain-battlefront-venator-gif-20192932

[ember python]

if that new logi BG doesn't hit their minimum, maybe we should see if they wanna sign up w/ us

[solid hare]

Well if they board the picketline they may find themselves in trouble

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

[jagged mulch]

Yeah, anything that tries to board the picketline is fucked

[pliant fjord]

A Logitruck would be super helpful in the whole "fetch all our deployed units and bring them back to the airfield" problem

[midnight lotus]

oh boy i can't just import this map cause its gonna screw with my icons and stuff.... ugh

time to remake it lol

[ember python]

i just checked their sign up sheet, right now they've got an HVTOL that can drop a prefab bunker and a light mech w/ a supply pack and a pile of LRMs. so no trucks yet, but still some good stuff

[pliant fjord]

An HVTOL you say?

[ember python]

Yup.

[jagged pagoda]

👀

[topaz rivet]

Stormblessed is 1 speed faster than us?

[solid hare]

I wanna at some point have my PAI just walk to the door of a vtol, open it in flight and jump out 'I have a plan... attack' style

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-iron-man-attack-avengers-marvel-gif-21263552

[topaz rivet]

There is that frigate above Elim

[ember python]

can you use the jump packs to jump off of a vtol in space?

[topaz rivet]

No

[pliant fjord]

all on VTOLs, so they've got 5 speed to our 2

[ember python]

that makes sense, that would be crazy af

[topaz rivet]

So we should know by the time we get to Elim if they need us to drop

[pliant fjord]

Shack's said no to all "ground unit activities in space" other than what's explicitly listed in the equipment and rules

so it's basically just Light Mechs on hulls coming out of Mech doors

and boarding

[ember python]

yeah, thats probably for the best

things would get really finnicky otherwise

[solid hare]

Lol, yea, the other thing would be taking over an enemy ship, taking it low orbit and ramming another enemy ship with it

[pliant fjord]

which BG is it? would you liason with them and try to get them on board?

[ember python]

they've just started posting for sign ups earlier today in the meta comm, i'll reach out

[topaz rivet]

Argh. I want to know what the density of enemy forces is like.

[pliant fjord]

probably really high, they're made of metal

[jagged pagoda]

Depending on what they're made of... They could be quite dense.

[topaz rivet]

(-.-)

[jagged pagoda]

Same brain cell XD

[topaz rivet]

I hate you both in small but significant ways

[pliant fjord]

XD

gotta keep it light before the doom sets in

[alpine condor]

Howdy folks, what have I missed today?

[pliant fjord]

check the midround-events, got some major intel

[ripe stratus]

just to clarify, is one of the atlas transports joining up with fluffle for lift capacity?

[alpine condor]

Have we fooled any more people into the combat drop death cult?

[pliant fjord]

not that I'm aware of

[jagged pagoda]

Code black.

[topaz rivet]

I think our planning should proceed on the basis that Stormblessed and TF1 can quickly overwhelm the enemy forces in Elim, especially when our transports hit dirt (T3?). So we shouldn’t stop in Elim but go for our original plan of hitting the Crossroads.

[pliant fjord]

there's still more intel coming, and a few more days at least before we need to decide, but I'll set up a poll tomorrow and we can vote. In the mean time, check your gear, make sure you're unit is activated, and bug your friends to do the same.

[pliant fjord]

there's still some friendly territory, and the gate isn't defended by a blockade, just some scouts. Elim is only partially invaded.

I'd call it Case Red

[alpine condor]

I’ll activate my unit tomorrow so that I can get my back pay in

Let’s see how big a gun can fit onto a PA suit

[jagged pagoda]

Yes

[plain dew]

Can this be pinned?

Anyone with authority? 🤣

[river vector]

How confident are you guys against a mostly support role orbital?

[pliant fjord]

against 1, pretty confident, since we're 5 mostly support role orbitals

[jagged pagoda]

In ship to ship combat? Ehhhh... In boarding? If it's disabled, very.

We have fighters, we have some guns

[pliant fjord]

(I can't pin) I'll put this into our doc

[jagged pagoda]

But we have a lot of troops

[jagged mulch]

Well, you do have lots of Aerospace if that counts for anything

[jagged pagoda]

Fighters, so a little

Unless it counts for more than I think it does XD

[pliant fjord]

Latest update indicates there are local forces actively contesting the spaceport, so plan A is still on the table, depending on how round 1 goes

[jagged pagoda]

I think we should still follow Plan B, because we don't know what orbitals will be further around the planet.

[plain dew]

Plan A might be upgraded to our drop forces being the heros that secure that starport

well, them and the VTOLs

[jagged pagoda]

And the fighters/bombers.

[pliant fjord]

also heard a plan C pitched, which was "lets go to the mine and save the civilians that we know are trapped"

[plain dew]

fighters/bombers gunna have to hit that frigate

(assuming TF1 is going to go chase that bot ship those fighters came from)

[topaz rivet]

I think other BGs will be heading to the mine

[jagged pagoda]

Aren't they primarily artillery though?

[topaz rivet]

I’m not sure

[pliant fjord]

"We've come to save you!" KABOOM

[novel oak]

https://tenor.com/view/rescue-congratulations-rogueone-rogue-one-gif-7378649

[pliant fjord]

oh, GAC, hi!

I don't have a ship preference for you

[novel oak]

hi

[topaz rivet]

Though if the missiles are coming from L-H, we might hit them

[ember python]

last i saw they have a lot of arty, but also infantry and other assets

[novel oak]

I’d prefer to be with simm(bc friends) but I dont mind wherever yall decide to stick me

[pliant fjord]

heard, thanks!

[vestal ice]

I was hoping for a one way ticket on this one

[topaz rivet]

Do we still have a drop pod open for more ODST?

Whoops, never mind

[pliant fjord]

hell yes we do

one more slot on the Endurance

[alpine condor]

ODST? You mean ODT? We wouldn’t want to get sued by Microsoft

[novel oak]

if we do we can frame it and put it on the wall

[topaz rivet]

I’m almost tempted to check if that’s a defensible copyright/trademark. I feel like it shouldn’t be

[pliant fjord]

just because they're orbitally dropped doesn't mean they're shock troops

if anything, ours are defensive

[jagged pagoda]

You might get your wish :D

Depending on how many bots there are :p

[jagged pagoda]

True

[jagged pagoda]

They could be friendlies

[ember python]

do HVTOLs take up more bay space? I can't seem to find it in the rules document, probably just missing it

[pliant fjord]

@eager pendant Here's our channel, check out the pinned doc and feel free to ask us questions!

[pliant fjord]

nope, they just trade infantry space for vehicle space

they're "bigger" but it still only counts as 1 unit

[ember python]

alright cool, thanks.

[vestal ice]

Also question on the rules. I assume if I use the evasion special action it would still only cost 0.5 speed but I can finish anywhere between half and full amount of my speed away?

[pliant fjord]

the special action doesn't take movement

it's more of a decision "how" to move

Advance vs Evasion - same speed, different attack/defense bonuses

[unborn stirrup]

it a order not a action

[pliant fjord]

that too

[vestal ice]

Right so my cost would be based on my final movement distance. And by that it is somewhere between half and all my speed?

[pliant fjord]

there's no cost to movement* to taking the evasive order

you have all your speed

[plain dew]

there is a cost whiel evading

while evading you go half speed

[plain dew]

Basically: yes

if you start evading at the start of your move, you go half speed

[unborn stirrup]

other way you have to move at least half your speed

[shadow sigil]

No.
You must move half your speed

[plain dew]

But you can wait till the end to evade and still get full speed

[pliant fjord]

You must move at least half your speed to go evasive. (You're dodging and weaving and trying not to get hit)

You do not have a speed penalty

[shadow sigil]

Basically a LM using Evade. Must end at least 2 distance from where they started

A fighter must be 3.5

[plain dew]

mate, you need to read what im writing and the context around it.

This is liek the 3rd time your commenting disagreeing with me, and then you post the same thing, written differently.

[shadow sigil]

while evading you go half speed
This is not true

[ember python]

if yall don't object, i think we should keep at least one CS in reserve (at least until the BG size deadline) in case the 212 can't hit the minimum BG size so we can offer them a home here w/ us.

[eager pendant]

Okay. I am trying to set up my unit so yeah. Do I register it in the Free Company menu or just on the spreadsheet thats pinned?

[vestal ice]

Right so I can move with evasion up to my speed but must be at least half

[pliant fjord]

Meta-comm has a pinned "how to register" document, it involves giving the bot commands

[vestal ice]

And this doesn’t impact my speed use for actions

Because it isn’t an action? It’s an order

Thanks for help everyone. New to this and trying not to fudge it

[shadow sigil]

Yes. You need to end 2 distance away from where you started.
No movement cost other than normal movemnt

[pliant fjord]

both, once you've activated your unit in the "Meta-comm" chat, mark it as activated

[unborn stirrup]

yes it so you cant cheese it just sit still on a point

[vestal ice]

Makes sense

[merry summit]

Also fyi you’re only allowed to use one order type per turn anyways

[shadow sigil]

As a Victorum memember I believe you can do it.
But I won't be voting

[merry summit]

Definitely can do it, but it’s gonna be costly

[jagged pagoda]

Agreed

It also depends what weapons the frigate has

[pliant fjord]

Intel says it's primarily an orbital drop ship, and probably has one weapon at most

[plain dew]

At best currently we are doing 9 hits, assuming bombers can reach target to drop in one round, and assuming auto cannon and both HMG are in range 2. Frigate has 7 hits and 1 armor. I think math wise there is a really good chance we leave it standing on one leg after a round, which isnt good.

[jagged pagoda]

Right, well that's what less than half of our ships have at most XD

[pliant fjord]

We've also got a scanner, and a VTOL, and can shuttle PAI over to board it

[jagged pagoda]

True

[plain dew]

Do ships explode when they reach 0 hits, or are they just disabled?

I thought disabled was a condition if a system was hit, but not sure.

[pliant fjord]

destroyed yes

[plain dew]

If TF3 Fluffle is with us, their extra firepowr puts us over the math threshold to kill the frigate in 1 go

[pliant fjord]

no rules for "explosions" from destroyed ships as far as I'm aware

[plain dew]

Im just concerned if we try and board while killing it we kill our own troops

[eager pendant]

never mind I can only play as a regular infantry unit.

[ruby magnet]

Okay question: As it stands. With what are you deploying, at which speed?

[plain dew]

2

[pliant fjord]

all good, you wouldn't be able to drop with the ODTs, but you'd be welcome to join as paradrop marines. You'd just go in with the heavy air transport

otherwise, it might be best to join up with a battlegroup

[topaz rivet]

Here's some deployment capacity info, unless I got something wrong. We can deploy:

• 4 VTOL
• 12 Aerospace
• via DPS - 4 ODT
• via Heavy DPS - 1-3 Light Mechs and 2-6 PAI (combined)
• via HAT - 6-90FS of inf and 1-7 vehicles (combined)
• via VTOL - 1 unit inf

[eager pendant]

Awesome. That would just be a landing right? I wouldn't need to equip anything additional?

[topaz rivet]

Nope, they just push us out the back and wait for us to bounce

[ember python]

Infantry are paradrop ready, just hop in the vehicle and be ready to jump out the back

[pliant fjord]

we don't have a HVTOL, and we can also deploy 4 ODTs

[eager pendant]

Alrighty. Unit is activated and standing by.

[topaz rivet]

Right

[topaz rivet]

I only see 1 non-heavy drop pod?

[pliant fjord]

Canteloupe (who's been AWOL for 4 days) has Drop pods, and Conko has Drop pods

Canteloupe isn't listed on the crewing roster, but he's on the sign up sheet

I've tentatively assigned him to the Endurance alongside Conko

so all our ODTs can lanuch from there

[maiden belfry]

fingers crossed, would be epic to drop em all at once

well make it work though, very excited

[ripe stratus]

where are you dropping

[pliant fjord]

Elim

[merry summit]

How risky are the other HATs willing to go in this TF?

[pliant fjord]

assuming we get enough help with that frigate

[merry summit]

We can drop while engaging the frigate as well right?

[pliant fjord]

yup

[ember python]

hey, if not, then they can deploy over 2 turns, which isn't too bad

[pliant fjord]

enemies also prioritize orbitals in targeting, so the HATS should be safe

[merry summit]

Perfect. A couple fighter or so for a screen while in atmo and I’m good to drop troops

[maiden belfry]

yeah I know it was asked if you could move over mechs from a mech bay into a heavy drop pod system and im assuming its the same for infantry barracks * or other systems*

be aight

[merry summit]

Be planetside on turn 2 after warping

[royal sequoia]

Ok, I'm back

[merry summit]

We could try for turn 1, but I don’t want to push out too hard and get wiped by interceptors

[royal sequoia]

180 messages

what did I miss x)

[merry summit]

Check mid rounds lol

[pliant fjord]

lots of intel
Case Red
Plan B (but there's a Frigate at Elim)

[ember python]

so, drop side, we can add an ODT and a PAI both and still fully deploy in two. doubt there are any to grab, but it may come up. and then space side, we've still got 6 CS to spend, according to the sheet. is that right?

[royal sequoia]

omg

Only 4Cs, mini is definitely there

and just didn't pick his equipement

[ember python]

oh ok

[royal sequoia]

shack also has 2 req to spend so we could use that if need be

[pliant fjord]

There are some players who haven't entered their chosen gear into the crewing tab

[royal sequoia]

(and if he wants to)

[ember python]

4 is still a decent amount of flexibility left, good to know

[pliant fjord]

shack bought Heavy Pods and Cargo

Mini said he bought 2 cargo

[royal sequoia]

but he still has 2 req for two more modules

[pliant fjord]

ohhh, nice

[royal sequoia]

My main question right now is: now that we know civilians are being pursued, do we try to enter the fight as soon as possible, probably after storm blessed and rabbit

[pliant fjord]

we might have to do some shuffling if he buys more, but we're just waiting on Canteloupe to pick his second slot.

[turbid kernel]

1 armor for a frigate? That's within Breach Pods parameters. Another possibility for consideration.

[royal sequoia]

or do we still want to play it safe with tf1

[royal sequoia]

I'm a bit worried about canta, it seems he's gone awol. Maybe the amount of chatting in there was too much for him

[merry summit]

Arc AC or double AC?

[royal sequoia]

but patience might be rewarded

[topaz rivet]

Some people, as hard as it is to believe, don’t live on discord

Is there a consolidated list of BGs somewhere?

[turbid kernel]

I know I'm gearing to get in there. But I'm worried about those long range missiles.

[pliant fjord]

TF 1 is gonna be dealing with the interceptors at the gate most likely, so it's on us and storm to get boots on the ground at Elim

if we lose the starport, we lose the planet

[royal sequoia]

we have plenty of point defense

if there's one thing we can fight reliably, it's small things

with 5 fighters and 2 hmg, I'm confident on that front

[plain dew]

If TF3 is with us we can 100% take out the frigate more or less easy, while deploying drop pods to secure starport with BG3

[royal sequoia]

I think we also have the capability to take on single orbitals, with bombers and the autocannon

[ember python]

both HMGs can't be brought to bear together though, since one is forward facing and the other rear? unless we've circled the wagons, so to speak.

[royal sequoia]

that would be my prefered scenario too

[ripe stratus]

storm blessed can help atlas

[pliant fjord]

hashtag blessed

we could certainly try for a boarding play, especially with some spare VTOLs

[ripe stratus]

if we do help you, it will be with all 19

[pliant fjord]

lmao, ok, not getting on that ship then. Lets blast it to hell and save the day

[royal sequoia]

I'm not convinced about the boarding

I'd rather blast it

(if we even can)

[merry summit]

Boarding, disabling and hopefully shack letting us rip intel out of their computers would be nice

[royal sequoia]

ok, that seems nice too

we can direct dock if the ship is disabled right?

[pliant fjord]

yea, but not destroyed

[royal sequoia]

we could try to get the bombers to aim for the engines, and then dock with our pai

[ripe stratus]

agreed

[ripe stratus]

that sounds ideal

[humble urchin]

Knock knock knock

Hello, since Iron Hammer is now officially a thing, I'd like to officially throw the idea of Atlas transporting us ? 👀

[royal sequoia]

Frigate has 7 hit points, one armor. A bomber deals D6 damage

it seems doable tbh

[pliant fjord]

aerospace can't flank, and it'd take 1 hit regardless of damage rolled

[humble urchin]

I do not know how orbital transport works, or if it's do-able, or if you guys are willing, but I'm throwing the idea here.

[merry summit]

How many units 😒

[humble urchin]

And this graph of Iron hammer's current composition.

[ember python]

Maybe, if you are willing to trade us some of your wine rations...

[humble urchin]

15 !

[merry summit]

Oh that’s not bad

[topaz rivet]

Do you fit with these parameters? #1382037040438181950 message

[humble urchin]

More read-able non-graph edition.

[royal sequoia]

I have no idea how orbital fighting works with aerospace. Is damage just limited to 1?

I thought you just rolled a dice

[pliant fjord]

it's certainly doable, since we're confirmed going for the spaceport, we'll be able to land at least one ship to get your heavies down, and the rest can be deployed by HATs

[ember python]

yeah, so many of the bigger BGs are just... REALLY expensive to carry, and seem to expect to be carried, despite the cost. carrying Iron Hammer seems a lot more feasible. and it'll look great for your recruitment ads next campaign.

[humble urchin]

• We got 3 VTOLs
• Who's aerospace ?
• 1 ODT
• 2 light mechs
• 5 vehicles, 7 infantries aka 37 FS combined with medics, odt, infantry
• ...we have infantry !

[plain dew]

i think they follow the same system as vehicle hits, where if you get hit theres a chance you lose a system or something.

but we need to hit them multiple times past the 1 armor

[pliant fjord]

vehicles (and orbitals) use the "hit" system.
Any amount of damage over its armor deals 1 hit.
If it takes a certain amount a damage (4,5,6), it also gets damaged in some way. Check out the rules for more info

[royal sequoia]

ho

[humble urchin]

Nice !

[royal sequoia]

thank you for the explanation

[tired trench]

What if your vehicle (fighter) has no armor or defense?

[pliant fjord]

any amount of damage is a hit

[tired trench]

Can I attack and then go evasive or is it one or the other only?

[pliant fjord]

evasive is an order type, and attacking isn't an action

your order will look something like this:

[humble urchin]

You guys seem to be talking about orbital stuff, do ping me back to get back to me for transporting our BG

[pliant fjord]

Order type: Evasive
Movement: from grid xx,xx to yy,yy

Engaging with enemy (target if applicable)

[topaz rivet]

Aero is fighter/bombers

I think we can deploy your whole force, assuming we have an airfield to land the MBT and IFV

[humble urchin]

No guarantee it will stay at 15 people for now, we're getting a 16th about right now I think, and there might be others in the way too.

[humble urchin]

"who's aerospace" was a joke, we have no aerospace exept vtols lmao

[tired trench]

And while engaging, ill be evasive and have the bonus from that yes?

[pliant fjord]

we can absorb some into crew if necessary, but we can probably spare room for 15 units

[tired trench]

I was just curious about what the enemy rolls against to hit you if you don't have armor or defense of sorts

[topaz rivet]

If I have mathed correctly we still have 22 FS of inf or 1 vehicle on the HATs

[plain dew]

if you dont have armor or defense, you just eat it

😂

[royal sequoia]

Don't forget that also means sacrificing 4 Large supply

[humble urchin]

Ah shit

not good.

[pliant fjord]

two fighters encounter each other:

yours in evasive: rolls a 3 (-2 from evasive) gets a 1, you deal a hit.
enemy, NOT in evasive: rolls a 3 (-3 from your defense) gets a 0, deals no damage

[jagged mulch]

It could be doable with the battle cruiser you get tomorrow if you guys get the crew for it however

[pliant fjord]

just 3 for 15

[royal sequoia]

4 for anything above that

[jagged mulch]

It'll probably be 16-20 by the time we start

[topaz rivet]

Plus 3 ODT and 1 LM or 2 PAI

[tired trench]

Oh I see

[tired trench]

🥲

[topaz rivet]

We have the crew to run it but not equipment to use the CS

[pliant fjord]

if it gets specc'd as a freighter, it can just deliver the whole ding dang battle group

[royal sequoia]

Take the empty battlecruiser, chuck a bunch of power armor troops in there, good luck x)

we're just lacking the cash to deck it out poperly

if it was filled with Large supply, I'd be over the moon

[ember python]

just 10 cargo bays

[royal sequoia]

we'd take iron hammer, we'd take pathfinders to the city, we'd pay out large supply to TF1 for their sorties

all the soupply

[topaz rivet]

This is for deploy in 1 turn, btw

[plain dew]

IMO for us fighters, we just roll around in evasion, unless there is a specific hard target we need to get damage thru, without lethal threat to our selves, since the most damage we could do with our lil D4 guns is 2 at that point.

[jagged mulch]

Yeah, just a tiny addition of 13 LS

[ruby magnet]

I'm checking in on the other groups. You guys are still planning on gunning for Elim when you deploy right?

[royal sequoia]

Maybe? We should probably vote on it before we guarantee anything

[plain dew]

also @royal sequoia

[eager pendant]

Can't wait to become a drop unit.

[plain dew]

I didnt realize it was damage dependent, but yea, bigger guns, more fires.

[topaz rivet]

We’re definitely gonna be in high orbit ASAP. I’m not convinced we’ll need to drop troops

[shadow sigil]

Is it D4+ or 4+?

[royal sequoia]

I hope it's 4+

[ruby magnet]

Must be 4+

[royal sequoia]

otherwise bombers are no better than fighters against orbitals

[plain dew]

You tell me rules expert, im just noting theirs rules for fires and such.

[royal sequoia]

which would be very sad

[tired trench]

Hey that's a 2 and a chance to survive another day 😆 🤣

[pliant fjord]

I assume it's 4+, the regular vehicle rules say 5 or 6, not D5 or D6

[humble urchin]

Update on that, you guys might be transporting Pathfinders instead of Iron Hammer ?

It needs to be seen with the unit recruitment and all, but basically it boils down to me not wanting to cut recruitments even if it means "nuh huh no atlas transports for you"

Because I want people to be able to join a BG no matter what they are and no matter what they want, no restrictions. That's my philosophy. :P

[pliant fjord]

we can absorb some extras into crew, we've got room on our HATs for extra infantry

[royal sequoia]

that's a nice philosophy. I think we can just decide once the battlegroups are formed. You shouldn't limit recruitement because of us

[topaz rivet]

And it’s not the end of the world if we have to take 2 turns to deploy

[royal sequoia]

yup

[humble urchin]

It's a philosophy that comes from C3 where people could not join BGs due to every BG having restrictions (either logistical, or unit-wise what they wanted), and thus I made Iron Hammer !
And I feel like it's a good philosophy to have at least one battlegroup who accepts everyone 👀

[humble urchin]

Confirm, it was planned originally to be late to the party anyways, this is just trying to see if we can get transport :P

Surprised no other battlegroup other then us and pathfinders can get transported but, cons of having very big BGs and "small" TFs aye ?

[topaz rivet]

The supply cost is brutal

[royal sequoia]

yeah that's the big issue

so far, keeping everyone supplied felt more important than bringing a group in 2 turns earlier

with the city under siege, it's a very different proposition

at least I feel the need to intervene asap if that means saving more civilians

[jagged mulch]

The melon medics shall do their best to save the civilians

[pliant fjord]

Attention Atlas. There are two ongoing polls regarding our rapidly approaching deployment. They can be found on "THE PLAN" tab of the doc.

-# I'm taking a break, @ me with any super important questions.

[topaz rivet]

If we can drop battlehammer plus our own troops, I feel a lot better about assaulting the enemy positions

[plain dew]

keep in mind, we already have all of BG 3 going to Elim

[ember python]

plus, we could take more cargo to make up the difference, yeah? or am i off base?

[topaz rivet]

I’m assuming they won’t need our help against some drop troops

[plain dew]

we cant drop battlehammer cause they have a MBT right?

[topaz rivet]

We would need an airfield, yes

[plain dew]

anywhere we go probably wont have that already setup lol

[royal sequoia]

it's doable in the city

since they have a starport

[ember python]

if we scan a spaceport or airfield and it isn't heavily defended we could drop on it, do a quick clear and then fly em in, potentially. its dangerous, but it might be worth it

[royal sequoia]

we could just land a ship there

[turbid kernel]

We can use the Starport. The MBT are in BG storage until we can offload them at a Starport. We just wouldn't be able to deploy them as part of our DC since we don't have a vehicle bay but the Starport gets around that

[plain dew]

yea, i guess my thought is why bother sacrificing more logi if we think we already can secure the starport quick.

[ember python]

yeah, thats fair

[royal sequoia]

I do agree, but we will still arrive a couple of turns earlier than the npc transport

and the extra units could be decisive in the battle for the city

[turbid kernel]

Especially as Aurora and the locals still seem to be holding on to the Starport

[ember python]

plus, thats some time for any engineers and inf to dig in

[royal sequoia]

the issue is of course working with imperfect information, we don't know how long the battle will last, so we don't know how much soupply we'll actually need

[plain dew]

I think if the locals can support us, we should be fine, but im a bit worried at only 10 rounds of LS

[royal sequoia]

that's for sure

I'd want at least 2 more soup for ourselves

[ember python]

i think if we carry a BG we need to invest in more cargo space, if possible. i'm inclined to err on the side of more supply instead of less

[plain dew]

yeah, like i am all for max force hitting the starport, but based on the info, we should have enough deployed already to hit that

also, every LS we use, is less sorties we can make later

or less hard burns to get to critical areas later

[royal sequoia]

hmmm

[ember python]

i don't mind carrying the BG, but if we do we should compensate w/ more supply

[royal sequoia]

that is very true

[plain dew]

im honestly 50/50 on it ( i put no on the poll), but im just voicing the negative sides of it

[royal sequoia]

and it's very good that way

[plain dew]

theres something to be said tho, if we get iron hammer on the ground, and if they can get to the mine... maybe they get to the civies in time

[humble urchin]

Iron Hammer please ❤️

[royal sequoia]

yes yes

battlegroup silveraxe, duly noted

[plain dew]

yea, wood mallet has a nice ring to it

[vestal ice]

I heard it was copper spoon

[turbid kernel]

Yeah, I definitely understand the worry. I know I voted yes since I'm not worried about the taking but the holding and having tanks on the ground can be a world of difference for the ground troops

[royal sequoia]

ah shit there's also the mine

is it hill mine?

[plain dew]

this is super fair

just cause we take it, doesnt mean we can hold it

[royal sequoia]

there are people stuck at hill mine

well

ok new proposition

[vestal ice]

Don’t need to hold it just get people out

[royal sequoia]

with a hard burn, we have the ability to strike there turn one

and we have the hats to pick up quite a few people

[plain dew]

thats plan C 😛

problem with that: who kills the orbital for BG3?

[royal sequoia]

ha

just ignore it

easy peasy

or I guess fluffle can get all the glory in hill mine while we take care of the hard job with the orbital

[plain dew]

fluffle could be the play, they have the speed, they have the cargo room (assuming they dont reach a large enough size to carry a BG)

[royal sequoia]

fluffle always wanted to carry rabbit

[turbid kernel]

The delivery must be made. Always.

[royal sequoia]

ah wait

nah hill mine is a no go

no airfield 😂

we are useless without an airfield sadly

[plain dew]

you would have to convince shovels to go there

[royal sequoia]

well we can strike, but then we're stuck

which kinda defeats our whole point

nah crossroads is the place for an airfield

[ember python]

given that we are in a Case Red it might not be a bad idea to have the airfield at the Hill. easier to defend an airfield at Hill Mine w/ local support than the Crossroads, which is bound to get attacked from all sides.

[turbid kernel]

Time to pressgang the Mithral Mauls' HVTOL to join the crew

[topaz rivet]

The mine is only one turn out from Elim. It wouldn’t be too bad to show up, kill the bad guys, and drive back (but we couldn’t deploy there)

[royal sequoia]

hmm

we could drive back

[humble urchin]

noooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[royal sequoia]

that is true

[humble urchin]

God dangit xD

[ember python]

Plus we know BG Dwarf Fortress is headed there to heavily defend it. an airfield there supports further ops, and helps make securing Crossroads a lot easier. Nevermind that, I just checked the map again, i thought there was an air route between them, but I'm just straight up mistaken.

[royal sequoia]

In my opinion there should be an airfield on every zone

[plain dew]

I am warming up to the idea of having iron hammer come with us to Elim, and then they go to the mines

[royal sequoia]

we have options

I need to sleep x)

nighty night atlas

[turbid kernel]

Oh he's announcing his bid for ARMCO president!

[humble urchin]

This might be Pathfinders instead of Iron Hammer too, depending on sign-ups and what happens

[ember python]

if its Pathfinders, ideally Iron Hammer will be close behind

[royal sequoia]

Or it might be us ...

[turbid kernel]

Time to get some breaching pods!

[merry summit]

Just waiting to see Atlas have the highest K/d ratio

[plain dew]

I hope its undefined

because we have 0 deaths 😎

[ember python]

so, the automated CS calculation on the sheet seems to be borked, and i am no spreadsheet wizard.

[merry summit]

What could possibly go wrong paradropping units in a hot zone 😜

[humble urchin]

C3 flashbacks

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[ember python]

This is why we are using drop pods when possible, but... yeah

[merry summit]

Quick question: aero units can technically land and then crew an orbital same turn right?

[plain dew]

are you talking for orbital/crew actions?

[merry summit]

Right

[plain dew]

I think they can?

the only actions there are for rearming/repairing

[merry summit]

They could also step in and do firefighting or grab a weapons station right?

[plain dew]

RAW i think so?

im not sure tho

[shadow sigil]

If they're crew they can take any primary action.
They can't make an attack as an aerospace and do a crew action though
Because then they did two primraries

[plain dew]

@pliant fjord so TF 1 cannot be sped up to match us, but is TF 3 going to slow down for us? or are they going to go in alone against that fighter patrol? Same for BG 3?

[pliant fjord]

-# (I'm not here)

[plain dew]

too late

😬

can answer later, just curious

[pliant fjord]

I don't have the foggiest idea what fluffle is planning.

[plain dew]

let me rephrase, can the faster BG slow down?

[pliant fjord]

yes, but it can't change the order in which it arrives through the gate

[plain dew]

so TF3 has to arrive before us

and the VTOL's have to arrive before that

[tiny rover]

If you would be interested in joining Fluffle again, we're no longer doing rabbit deploying idea so you'll actually be able to reload lol

Fluffle will in fact have large supply to work with during the mission

[tiny rover]

Plus that way you can arrive first lol

[plain dew]

I wanna be a fighter fighting around/on the planet, and i think TF3 is going to be doing space things, so idk if its a good fit.

[humble urchin]

A fighter ? Well you see, there's a certain logi battlegroup... 👀

[tiny rover]

It was worth a shot 👍

[plain dew]

I am worried for TF3 tho...

1 HMG, 1 autocannon, 1 fighter (according to the googledoc)

I guess if BG 3 goes in first, the mass of vtols can probably deal with most of the hostiles...

[ember python]

I made up some more fluffy names for our current proposed plans of action. hope thats cool.

[high pike]

We can't hit any aerospace, just act as a Hit Point blob

[ember python]

someone should help w/ that.

[plain dew]

yea thats why i was asking about the speed but uh... we cant lol.

Because they should at the minimum wait for TF 3... ideally us.

all those units probably arnt hostiles, but if they are, its like 9 fighters/planes that have to be dealt with.

[ember python]

yeah

[plain dew]

So with how the TF/BG have to deploy... I wanna double down on not taking in a battle group. If its going to take 5ish turns for the fleets to deploy, let alone try and take the starport, I think we are in for a bit of a long haul of a campaign. 10 rounds seem real sort considering our deployment time.

[river vector]

Funnily enough, I was just about to ask you guys to give me a number for how long we think this campaign will take so I can redo the supply math

[plain dew]

If we take a BG, we go down to 10 rounds

if not, we have 13/14 rounds

[pliant fjord]

LS lasts for 2 rounds

[river vector]

You have seven supply?

[plain dew]

ill double check the sheet and confirm tho

[pliant fjord]

and we can have "Grey rounds" where we're not supplied

[ember python]

i believe we still have unallocated CS to take more supply if needed (i could be wrong about this)

[pliant fjord]

yea, that's outdated now

[plain dew]

what needs to be updated?

[pliant fjord]

it doesn't include mini's +2 Cargo bays, the incoming battlecruiser, shack's last two Req, and Canteloupe's last Req

I wouldn't modify that page at all, it's Simm's project

Current projected LS (if everything goes as expected) is around 14-15

which is why we're considering bringing a BG

of size 20 or less, costing 4 LS

[plain dew]

its all formulas

we jus thave to update teh cargo on the crew tab

[pliant fjord]

yes, exactly, don't touch it

[plain dew]

and the info will flow thru

so mini's 2 cargo selections are already included

[river vector]

So how much free LS would you have?

[plain dew]

i think

[river vector]

After you carry the battle group

[plain dew]

oh its not included, ill play with it and add it

[river vector]

Don’t need an exact number right now. I’m just trying to figure out how much freedom we have with our supply.

[pliant fjord]

we put a cap of 20 units on the BG we'll carry, so no more than 4 LS

[plain dew]

If we get a BC, mini 2 cargo (locked in) and if shack takes 2 cargo, we are at 17 LS

[river vector]

OK, I’m gonna redo my math between our two battle groups and get back to you but we’re looking decently on supplies

[pliant fjord]

yea, I'm not worried

especially if we're not immediately dumping 3 to supply an airfield for the whole campaign

[plain dew]

If we lose 4 LS, we last until round 13, assuming everyone resupplies every round and there are no grey rounds by anyone.

factor in shovels deploying later... 15 rounds. But if the BC takes a few cargos too, will be fine

[pliant fjord]

again, no, when a Task Force spends a Large Supply, it becomes supplied for two rounds, not one.

[plain dew]

Yup, I understand. Im reading the info from the googledoc. It is setup to factor each task force burn rate and when it needs to be resupplied.

[shadow sigil]

17 LS
Lose 4 to ground groups
13 LS left
2 rounds per LS = + 26 rounds
(Start round 4) makes it to round 30
The TF would be supplied until round 30.
You could definitly spend that else where

[plain dew]

Didnt ask + we are supplying LS to other BG/TF 🙂

[pliant fjord]

as I said before, that doc is likely outdated, and we shouldn't mess with it, since it's captain Simm's project

[shadow sigil]

You said -4 I did the math with that.
If your numbers are different use them.
I'm not gonna know your numbers unless you say them
🤷‍♂️

[plain dew]

Its easy to understand once you see the logic behind it. Basically simm setup the estimated burn rate for each BG/TF (thats the info on the right hand side). Then he is pulling our TF LS from the crewing sheet (thats where the now 12 is coming from). That number is counted based upon the number of cargo selections for equipment.

Then he has a counting formula with rounding to the nearest whole number, so that it maps how much total supply is used after each turn

So our own needs at round 9 is 4 total supply used

(this does assume T1 deployment, so obviously that shifts since we are going to deploy on T4)

Its the same logic for shovels & fluffle

[river vector]

We’re looking good on supply I was just curious how my numbers had changed since the days where it was only TF1 thanks for humouring me!

[ripe stratus]

what is this for

[pliant fjord]

theory crafting I think. we're slightly worried about the unknown fighters near the gate

[ripe stratus]

oh yeah we will be there

but wont we have already gone through?

that might be a problem

fuck

[pliant fjord]

If you're going through first, you might get shot at by them

[merry summit]

Do we have a general warp formation prepped for our TF? And if so are fighters/bombers pre-deployed

[ember python]

haven't heard it discussed. good idea.

[twin widget]

You should most definately discuss this - ambush formation is needed.

[eager pendant]

What is SPCTR-2 Assignment?

[turbid kernel]

What unit are you playing as?

[royal sequoia]

This might be silly, but I am very happy with someone understanding my work (I know it's simple work x) So thank you 😄 Also I have no issues with you modifying it if you understand it.

Well done on keeping those pesky interlopers in check

What was that with fleets deploying later btw? Since we're speed 2, shouldn't we be deploying one turn after Rabbit, so probably turn two?

And do we have any actual confirmation that Storm Blessed is arriving before us. I understand that they're entirely aeroported, and it's perfectly fine from a mechanics perspective, but it seems very silly in terms of RP that we just sent a bunch of VTOLs into hyperspace, to travel for I don't know how long, in pretty terrible living conditions. Or is there something I'm missing?

[ivory anvil]

arent we coming right into a fight? isnt lussan overrun?

[royal sequoia]

Don't worry, we saved Lussan a long time ago :p As far as the intel goes, most of the system is overrun but one city on the planet is still holding

[ivory anvil]

lol i must have misread the midround event could you sum it up for me cap...i should have finished highschool

[eager pendant]

Infantry called SPCTR-2

Supposed to be jumping of HVTOL

[royal sequoia]

No you're all good 🙂 We have confirmed presence of bots on most of the planet, with civies trapped in hill mine, and Elim under siege from an orbital drop troop and missile barrage from the East. In space, there's an enemy frigate above Elim. At the gate where we'll come in, there's a couple of enemy fighters harrassing a civilian cargo that we can easily dispatch, and 9 unknown signatures. There is a big civilian fleet escorted by a couple of fighters trying to run to the mining station, it's big cargo ships. That's most of the important stuff

Also good morning 🙂

[royal sequoia]

We do have the means to paradrop you.

[turbid kernel]

You'll be jumping out of a HAT, we don't have a HVTOL. You can pick any ship on the sheet that has a HAT assigned already

[ivory anvil]

so we need to boost TF1 so they can go fight that frig

[eager pendant]

Sounds like a plan.

[royal sequoia]

I think we can also take on that frigate. Btwz there's a couple of votes going on! To find them you can go to the docs, and then THE PLAN tab. Discord links.

[ivory anvil]

okay cool

[novel oak]

looking at our sheet

we dont have good options to take on the frigate

does fluffles or maybe one of the battlegroups have more firepower?

we have 1 ship with decent weapons (from what I can see) and neither of them are our heavy ships

the TripleS probably has the best shot being not a light frigate and actually being armed

but idk if we want to risk it

Black Pearl and Picket Line are armed but Picket Line is a rear arc gun and Black Pearl is a light freighter

neither of which I believe would perform adequately

[royal sequoia]

But we're not doing honorable duels

We're engaging all together. Plus the fact that we're hoping to taking it by surprise, while they're busy shooting missiles/drop pods at the city

[novel oak]

taking it by suprise doesnt help much when the majority of the fleet isnt armed

[royal sequoia]

I also don't think that it can be too heavily armed, considering it's dropping pods. Probably just a support ship

[turbid kernel]

We also have two bombers, and if we get breaching pods the ability to send PAI aboard

[royal sequoia]

We have 5 fighters and two bombers

[turbid kernel]

I should specify, send PAI aboard without having to breach an airlock

[red brook]

Bombers will fuck up a frigate, also storm will be helping kill it

We are headed to W1 to help prevent the bots from flanking our forces in space

[novel oak]

Im still nervous about most of our ships not being armed

[jagged mulch]

It'll be fine

[novel oak]

though the bombers I didnt account for

[jagged mulch]

You've got enough for self defense

Or should do atleast

[turbid kernel]

So to confirm Storm and TF2 will be heading to Elim while TF1 holds the flank at W1?

[jagged mulch]

And if you really wanted to, get breaching pods and just get PAI to go board some ships

[red brook]

Thats the current plan

[novel oak]

wheres TF3 going?

[royal sequoia]

it will depend if they exist or not

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Here's the votes btw

[jolly crypt]

im sure the fighters can draw the fire of any of the guns on the ship under evasive orders cos from what I understand of the combat system we only have 25% of taking 1 damage if it has an hmg or 50% if autocannon, tho idk how what the targeting works cos it would be bad if the bombers get targeted cos they have no defence and only 2 hits

idk how hits work, is it let, d4 rolls 4; bomber defence = 0; 4 - 0 = 4; 4 damage taken , 2 hits - 4 = -2 hits and the bomber is destroyed cos if thats the case bombers are quite flimsy

are hmgs the only thing that can do point defence?

[pliant fjord]

We've also been given a promise by storm. They'd swoop in at the same time as we do and unleash their 17 VTOLs on it.

[jolly crypt]

and would 2 of them protect the rest of the fleet from missles?

[royal sequoia]

Hmgs and fighters can do point defense iirc

[pliant fjord]

for 19d2 damage

which has a 65ish% chance of destroying it in one round

add our cannon, our fighters, and bombers, and odds are high

One ship might take one hit

maybe two if we're unlucky, but Storm's got the math lol

[jolly crypt]

you sure? the classes & equipment sheet doesnt mention point defence for fighters

[pliant fjord]

I swear I saw this too, but I can't find it

Also, I think the HMGs roll 1d4, and intercept that many LRMs (meaning that much damage). So they're kinda like crew-operated shield generators

[pliant fjord]

Vehicles and Orbitals take "hits" whenever they take any amount of damage from one source

[royal sequoia]

Can vtols actually attack orbitals? 😂

That seems silly

Is there anything Vtols can't do?

[jolly crypt]

ah so even in the worst case senario the bombers can survive one hit then

right its looking more doable then

[pliant fjord]

the attacker rolls a die, and if the die is higher than the armor, it deals one hit

Infantry, Medics, Engis, all take full damage.

and don't use hits

[pliant fjord]

they've got armor too

they only have a d2 weapon though, so they can't scratch a battlecruiser

[jolly crypt]

wait the spreadsheet for LRM says theyre non reloadable so do we only have to take down 3 salvos? that should be more than do able cos we'll take out 2/3 even if both hmgs roll a 1 and if fighters can do point defence then they can take out the last salvo - right I think we could take down the frigate easily

[novel oak]

that changes things

[pliant fjord]

alone, it'd be doable but it'd take a while

[novel oak]

bc the frigate having LRM was my biggest concern

[pliant fjord]

with Storm, I think it'll be a cake-walk

LRMs are also expensive, CS wise, taking up 2 slots

[novel oak]

yeah with storm this is easily doable

they’ll make good fodder(Im joking)

[jagged mulch]

I mean, storm does seem incredibly suicidal

[pliant fjord]

ha, also unlikely they'll be targeted, enemies will tend to target orbitals first, so we get to tank for them too

[jagged mulch]

Fair enough

[pliant fjord]

we'll get right up in their face, and send in the bees

[jolly crypt]

is there a way for fighters in evasive action to draw aggro?

[red brook]

Shack made them sign a waiver because of how suicidal they are lol

[pliant fjord]

not in the rules

[jolly crypt]

or will we just be ignored x)

[pliant fjord]

but creative play is sometimes rewarded

In a salvage mission, I forced a logi-truck to surrender so we could hijack it and drive our objective back to the ship

[royal sequoia]

That's pretty cool

[pliant fjord]

it'll usually boil down to a die-roll

[novel oak]

worst case fighters can harass

they might not hurt but they can sure as hell be annoying

[pliant fjord]

even in evasive, you'd still do damage on a 4

yea, we're gonna be fine 🙂

[royal sequoia]

Other issue, storm is slated to be there like, 3 turns before us

[jolly crypt]

ooh thats not good

[royal sequoia]

If I understood the whole speed thing properly

They speed 5, we speed 2

[jolly crypt]

but cant they go slower on purpose?

[novel oak]

how are they speed 5?

[pliant fjord]

oh, they've got another objective first, they're just gonna meet us there

[jolly crypt]

vtols i think

[royal sequoia]

They're vtols only

[novel oak]

huh

[pliant fjord]

they want to drop off all their infantry before they attack the frigate

[royal sequoia]

Because vtols seem a bit bullshit right now

Really fast, armoured, provide utility, can attack anything

[pliant fjord]

they're strong, yea, I think one of the downsides is that they can be attacked by more ground forces

[royal sequoia]

They can?

Sorry, it seems like I didn't read the rules hard enough

[pliant fjord]

literally me every time I do anything with this game

[royal sequoia]

They just shouldn't be aerospace imo. Be stuck in atmo. Not for this campaign obviously

[pliant fjord]

Yea, I can't find that on VTOLs. Maybe I made that up when I did my game.

they're slower than fighters, and do less damage, but the armor and transport capabilities are godlike

oh! they can be shot if they land

that's what it was

and they have to land to deploy infantry without upgrades

[jolly crypt]

I assume this game doesnt have fuel for aerospace cos surely theyd need to refuel at a carrier cos I doubt a vtol would have enough fuel to go far in space

so I guess us fighters also dont have to worry about straying away too far and too long from our carrier and running out of fuel and dying

[pliant fjord]

na, no fuel concerns, but ammo is limited

[jolly crypt]

the docs have a line that says fighters must reload/repair by landing at a friendly flight deck/airport but doesnt have an equivalent line for vtols, so do they not need to that and can reload wherever? cos that seems really busted

[pliant fjord]

also really busted yea, they don't need to reload (yet) that's been asked for, and seems likely for next campaign

[jolly crypt]

damn

[pliant fjord]

this is also kinda a special case, there's 17 of them, we've never had this many in one place

in 1v1s, they do really poorly against armored ground targets, and can't even touch anything in evasive

d2 is pretty limited

[jolly crypt]

wait a minute, with 17 vtols and them doing 1 hit if they roll a 2, if they dont get fucked by rng, they should on average do 8 hits against a frigate and a frigate has 7 hits, we're just backup for if rng isnt on their side xD

[pliant fjord]

they've got a couple upgrades that boost the odds a bit, I think their math had it at 65% of a one-shot kill

add in our guns,fighters,bombers, and our own VTOL, and that number gets very high

the best way to heal damage is to not take it, right?

[royal sequoia]

I didn't even consider that X) it keeps getting worse. Here's hoping they get a bit more balanced once we get the req to buy the orbitals to do proper operations

[pliant fjord]

good night folks

[royal sequoia]

And we hopefully will have the initiative on them

Night night

[pliant fjord]

bonne nuit!

[jolly crypt]

good night!

[jolly crypt]

idk if im using the calculator wrong, but the minimum sum roll to kill would be 7 hits, aka 7 dice rolling 2 while 10 dice roll a 1, so sum = 7*2 + 10 = 24 and putting that into that calculator gives a 83% oneshot chance

[merry summit]

Also if there are absolutely any aero assets none of the VTOLs can do a thing against them if they don’t have specific upgrades to

[jolly crypt]

you mean if the enemy frigate has a fighter escort? then yeah, if theres more than just the frigate it will get dicey

[signal stream]

What happens if the bots don't have the same stat block we use for our frigate? They might have more armour or HP than we expect.

[jolly crypt]

also another question about the combat system, can I attack and then move? as in use the fighters speed to get in the 1 tile range that it needs to fire, and then use the rest of my movement to run outside the ships firing range, if so it seems really busted, or does attacking use up all of my movement? its probably the latter rather than the former, but if its the former than fighters are way better than I thought they were

[merry summit]

If they up armor then the VTOLs are gonna be hurting hard for meaningful targets

[jolly crypt]

true

[jolly crypt]

hmm I didnt consider that, have previous events had the enemies using the same stats as us?

[merry summit]

I believe fighters “stop” when they engage for a fight, but I may be wrong. As for using different stats this time idk, but it is likely to happen. C3 they had a few unique units. C1 was all bugs so completely unique.

[jolly crypt]

well the unique ones would probably have a different class name

so i think the frigate might not be unique

[signal stream]

Yeah enemy unit had different stats

[jolly crypt]

I doubt theyd throw such a curve ball right at the start

[royal sequoia]

I think they will definitely be unique ones. But we can't expect that to be the rule. A frigate is a frigate, even if it has one more or less hp, or more or less modules

[royal sequoia]

It'd be an 'oh shit' moment

[signal stream]

This post has a bit of detail on the bots, it's about a year old #midround-events message

*Unlike the insects on Haven, these bots work in smaller numbers of elite units that can take a punishment. Requiring concentrated fire power to bring down. *

[merry summit]

Oh he would tho. C3 flashbacks to us losing 50% of our total casualties turn 1

[jolly crypt]

oh god

[merry summit]

Those quad AA were no joke

[jolly crypt]

tho so long as the frigate doesnt have extra defence our plan shouldnt fall apart and produce alot casualties

[merry summit]

Fixed and logi mounted

[royal sequoia]

I mean

These casualties were mostly self inflicted

[jolly crypt]

yeah did you not scan for AA?

thought you could do that

[royal sequoia]

Trying to air drop without much intel, on one of the two only airbases on the map

It was a choice

[royal sequoia]

In that specific campaign we had no orbitals

[jolly crypt]

oh

[merry summit]

We did have the choice to do a scan and let them know we were coming, or drop in an take em by surprise. We opted for the latter and did manage to take 3 airbases turn 1 and rebuild them for turn 2 landings

So absolutely worth it but boy was it bloody

[royal sequoia]

Seeing those hats get shot down was really painful

[merry summit]

All the casualties were in the same area too so that really weakened the offensive capabilities we had over there

[jolly crypt]

oh well, i had the inkling that they wouldnt let us cheese things that much

when I skim read through rules I didnt find anything concrete that would prevent or enable that strat explicitly

[merry summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Idk why some things just aren’t put in there

Pretty sure it used to be in the rules for C3 even

[jolly crypt]

I was hoping that fighters could do it by flying over the enemy cos it says that aerospace units arent stopped by hostile forces but I dont know now

[merry summit]

They might do flybys then ig. Id ask someone that plays a combat oriented aero 😅

[unborn portal]

am I also part of the landing team? I don't see through the plan quite yet

[royal sequoia]

You can be a part of it if you'd like to. Once we're certain there's no risk of boardings or AA.

[unborn portal]

no

I will not touch grass unless absolutely necessary

[royal sequoia]

That is entirely your choice. I'm happy having a permanent marine fixture, even if it's a grumpy one

[humble urchin]

Who's grass ?

[unborn portal]

if necessary I can also be transported on to other ships that need to fend off invaders

[royal sequoia]

That should be easy enough

[jagged pagoda]

Afternoon, what's cracking?

[unborn portal]

War

[humble urchin]

War never changes.

[jagged pagoda]

Fair enough

[abstract thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-automaton-invasion-bots-dropship-gif-17359944560955706193

[jagged pagoda]

We do have the Helldivers, drop pods, Eagles, ordinance, and all, so I think we'd win :p

[humble urchin]

"Nah, I'd win"

[hot haven]

nuh uh

[abstract thunder]

BC has been delayed due to issues with backpay

[plain dew]

I'm wondering if enemy fighters use energy weapons of some sort, based off the flavor description. Maybe a new upgrade one day.

[signal stream]

That would be cool, they might have infinite ammo as well?

[plain dew]

It's possible, although I'm sure there would be something to counter balance it since fighters are considered strong now.

[signal stream]

Maybe their slower with more armor?

[plain dew]

Boy would it be a surprise if this is a new heavy fighter variant with armor 😂

[granite otter]

Then we surely gotta board them.

[abstract thunder]

you go first tho

[alpine condor]

Damn, what’s wrong?

[abstract thunder]

Backpay hasn't been applied, Cheese is gonna look at it tho

[royal sequoia]

Fingers crossed

[alpine condor]

Yeah, I want my money

[royal sequoia]

@alpine condor you got your Dosh!!!

I have bad news though, a power armor infantry costs 3 req, so I don't think you can afford it

[pliant fjord]

attacking isn't really an action you take,
For the order, you declare your intended movement (and whether or not you're willing to fire this turn), and if you are in range of other enemies during that movement, you'll fire on the enemy that makes the most sense.

You might get away with "targeting" an enemy with your order, but we're not really allowed to cheese it by focus firing (except on orbitals, focus away)

[sage perch]

Do I have marines

also @abstract thunder you should have your pay

[pliant fjord]

not much grass planetside, it's a frozen snow-world

[alpine condor]

Ah well

[abstract thunder]

I do thank you

[royal sequoia]

Nick can buy the big ship

[abstract thunder]

I now have my BC

[royal sequoia]

We could try to split one infantry over to you.

Now... we can't crew it 😂

[sage perch]

We probably should have marines on every ship, and I already have Varsson to shoot his AC and myself to fly

[pliant fjord]

we've got 4 infantry

Between the PA and the ODTs, the PL and Endurance should be fine

so yea, one on each other ship sounds good

[royal sequoia]

Sorry for you :/ At least you can play infantry with upgrades if you so want. And after this game, you'll deffo have enough dosh for it plus upgrades.

[abstract thunder]

So my BC atm has 5x cargo bays

All the supply

[sage perch]

Jarn, want to join the Black Pearl?

[royal sequoia]

that's a ton of supply

[abstract thunder]

Now I need to find me a crew

[royal sequoia]

now to crew the beast

[abstract thunder]

I have a potential atm being @still rock

[royal sequoia]

as crew?

[abstract thunder]

Yes, I dragged him here for this

[royal sequoia]

Okay

[pliant fjord]

they got any CS?

[royal sequoia]

Ok in terms of crew numbers, we can man everything

we just need some creative spreading of our orbital drop capability

if we split our mech bay, drop pods and heavy drop pods between all three big bois

then the infantry/mechs dropped by them logically follows

we'll have to ask a lot of people for their opinion, but it'd doable

[pliant fjord]

I've been collecting opinions since we started

[royal sequoia]

and we have 17 soupply now 👀

[tired patio]

Just to confirm. Your the official ATLAS Tac-Com and will be making the groups intentions map each week?

Also who ended up being your second?

[pliant fjord]

Affirmative!
That'd be @atomic comet

[tired patio]

Cool. Thanks

[pliant fjord]

Are you no longer PAI?

[royal sequoia]

1 req short I think :/

[alpine condor]

Seems like I’m too poor

[pliant fjord]

dern

[alpine condor]

Which sucks cause that’s the unit type I used originally

[alpine condor]

Think that if I ask really nicely they’ll give me an extra req point so that I can keep my PA infantry?

[royal sequoia]

press X to doubt

[jagged pagoda]

Maybe

Wouldn't hurt to ask

Probably

[royal sequoia]

Nah, I wouldn't do it as a dm.

[pliant fjord]

I've seen many a player get shot down in the meta-comm

It's very unlikely

[royal sequoia]

You can't go around handing req willy nilly. It's just setting a very dangerous precedent, no matter how justified it is in that case

[alpine condor]

Sadge

[pliant fjord]

I'm gonna grab some coffee, and get started on Operation:Make-everyone-happy (ship assignments based on preference)

[royal sequoia]

you probably should wait a little, since Nick still has a crew coming

and we also have to ask the Captain nicely for two more modules x)

[pliant fjord]

I think the easiest move is the 2 PAI, since I brought my own HDPods

Endurance is pretty locked into mechs and heavy pods, so we can suggest 2 more Cargo Bays (with the incentive that we're gonna pick up a BG)

[royal sequoia]

Please don't leave us :/ You can still join with something else, especially since you have some req to play with

[royal sequoia]

we can always move the mechs and drop pods crew to the .... (checks notes) Banksia

Nick is a legend with his two extra cargo bays though x)

[pliant fjord]

unfortunately, Shack has a HDPod attached already, so something has to go there

[royal sequoia]

ah true

[pliant fjord]

And Ferdy has the Mech Bay, so that has to go there
Then it makes sense to put the second HPod for our second mech

[royal sequoia]

the 2 hdp and the mech bay have to stay together