Task force 1 - Victorum: Comms

[tough jay]

Not ponderous lmao

[quasi crown]

In actual mil coms you don't say "this is" it is implied by the ordering of the names

[rapid sorrel]

Think I can squeak a broadside in too then?

[tough jay]

Did a full 180 at the end there

[fluid cave]

I don't have a map open. I could tell you later today

[hard sleet]

I thought ponderous let them turn tight, just not 260

[fluid cave]

We can't do 180ºs

We don't know our limits other than that

[edgy harbor]

So, by saying atlas first it is us victorum addressing them?

[edgy harbor]

That how it works?

[zealous palm]

You could either way, the thing is 2 tiles long, just put it to you 045

[quasi crown]

Yes

[thin fulcrum]

In Atlas we're trying to come up with a middle ground between disabling the Tormentor and making our delivery. This is what I think would be the fastest way to disable for a Victorum boarding and lets us keep on our path to Elim. We recognize the danger we would be asking you to take. Please add your insights if you're willing.

[edgy harbor]

Ok I understand

[fluid cave]

Our LF cannot board

It doesn't have infantry

[quasi crown]

if you guys want to stay to board it just stay out of our fireing lanes.

[edgy harbor]

"Atlas, Victorum. Make way, the Battlefleet has arrived."

[quasi crown]

We would prefer you guys just disengage and make your way to elim

[fluid cave]

We're happy to keep blasting

[rapid sorrel]

The only person who can is Cobalt I believe, and that requires him to land on the enemy ship.. somehow

[fluid cave]

If we have a disabled ship we can.

[calm talon]

HATs can't dock with orbitals. Or at least there isn't explicit rules for it the way there is for VTOLs

[fluid cave]

The LF doesn't have any infatry to board

[rare lantern]

The only way we have to board is direct orbital docking, which requires that the enemy orbitsl has not moved for a whole round iirc

[zealous palm]

HATs can, if the orbital has a flight deck, this one does not.

[tough jay]

https://tenor.com/view/r6-fuze-hostage-clustercharge-team-gif-19380550

[calm talon]

In theory, Atlas can board the engines, disable them, and bounce. And then we can roll up and board at our leisure

[edgy harbor]

I gave cancer's captain a chimichanga :)

[thin fulcrum]

You can move crew around before deploying them. That's how you can pick up infantry from one orbital and get them back. This was according to Shack. I'll see if I can find the message but either way it sounds like y'all are going in guns blazing. So I'll need to talk with the TF about this

[fluid cave]

Yes, but we aren't just keeping marines for boarders. They also take actions normally.
If we move them away, we can't get them off

[rapid sorrel]

We're at least hitting it to get it's attention off you and the civvies

[tough jay]

Idk what you’re expecting to be honest, you’re asking the hammer to not smash the enemy.

[quasi crown]

I think we should just blow them up. We can't spend time to board them when the auto freighters could take hits

[rapid sorrel]

Every problem looks like a nail~

[lyric turret]

Ching Lee

[zealous palm]

We'll have other boarding options later probably

[rapid sorrel]

We won't IF TF2 boards, because we can't teamkill

[astral tapir]

We can board them with our bullets.

[hard sleet]

good to see you captain.

[astral tapir]

Been busy watching DIY vidoes in my quarters. I might still be a little absent for this next week as well.(Im helping at our fireworks stand and there is little to no mobile network there.)

[tough jay]

Maybe

[hard sleet]

Yeah

[rapid sorrel]

That'd hurt like hell if it did

I'm taking off for rn, will ping PV members who don't have orders in later tonight

[tough jay]

[quasi crown]

Lets not dogpile Atlas yall.

[fluid cave]

I just don't want all of us spamming them

It doesn't help the "bullying"

We're just telling them what we're doing

If they want to board it's a risk to them.
Their choice still

[tough jay]

after some study of past movement of the frigate, I have determine that this is the most likely ending destination of the Frigate.

[edgy lance]

aye, that seems logical

[tough jay]

Reason for suspected bending, this past action.

Reason for moving the way it does, Getting both MBC on Atlas and protecting the Tormentor.

[quasi crown]

Victorum gunners, recommend focusing the Frigate. Atlas wants to try boarding. Those gunner who have already selected the BC are fine

[fluid cave]

We can't pick targets Cael

The gun is only manned or not.

The ship's position determines targets

[quasi crown]

We can choose intended targets according to shack for orbi vs orbi

[fluid cave]

Can you source that?

[quasi crown]

Uh, gimme a sec I asked that a while ago

[edgy lance]

after scrutinizing the midrounds and newest map of the gate, I do not know what flight path is best for Dagger squadron. I'm gonna wait a while before submitting my order.

[tough jay]

do we know if this rule is still applicable

[fluid cave]

That isn’t part of mega campaigns

[tough jay]

you're right just saw

[amber dragon]

I also saw that somewhere, just can't find it now

[tough jay]

So the problem here is we’ll have to face the HMG regardless

of flight path

[quasi crown]

found it! #shack-chat message

Kael actually asked it in shack chat lol

[fluid cave]

Thanks

[quasi crown]

That was when I added the intended targets section

[tough jay]

Should go with this if we're sure enemy movement will act like that

[quasi crown]

you can hit based on its current position

[tough jay]

Oh

[fluid cave]

See midroounds of the lonely heir getting shot

[halcyon dew]

The Twisted Echo will probably stay in the back for the moment, to avoid drawing attention to it and so y'all have a nice spot to fall back to

[tough jay]

Then based off that, best course of action for the aerospace detachment would be this.

would mostly avoid the HMG and have plenty of fighter ammunition to spare. Hell, it's probably good enough that a Fighter Flight can be split off for other duties.

[timid zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/battlestar-galactica-bsg-sarah-rush-richard-hatch-rigel-gif-17237050

so... do we launch fighters?

[fluid cave]

Yes

You can start in the air if you wanted

[tough jay]

well then, Operation Gatecrasher is a go then

[timid zinc]

??

[timid zinc]

come agian?

[fluid cave]

Find your sqaudron and their flight plan

[timid zinc]

im lost

[fluid cave]

Which ship are you on?

[tough jay]

Refined the picture, use this picture for your order if you want to fighters/bombers.

[timid zinc]

Auroae

[timid zinc]

ifeel im missing a document

[fluid cave]

Main tab of the sheet

[tough jay]

Squadron was something we made up within Victorum, just think of it as your long term battle buddy for ease of coordination.

[timid zinc]

i kinda lost track of a lot going on in here
but ok, guardian, so... escorts?
or is gatecrasher a "everyone goes in" mission?

[heady void]

@tough jay just to make sure Valk is going evasive order right?

[tough jay]

yeah

[timid zinc]

i currently feel mentaly challanged

[tough jay]

This the plan

Guardian is just a squadron name

[covert palm]

So do I need to help launch a fighter/bomber? or can they launch themselves if they are crew

[fluid cave]

They can take off normally

[timid zinc]

so... for order, i copy picture and say i wanna evade?
im sorry, i really feel dumb rn

[tough jay]

one moment, I can explain everything fully in a second

[fluid cave]

They only need help rearming and repairing if they aren't crew, or they don't want/can't use their primary to do it themselves

[covert palm]

Oh so later on I can use my action to get faster turnaround on an aerospace. Cause they land and I repair that turn, then they take off the next (if I recall aerospace rules right)

[fluid cave]

Yes

[covert palm]

Neat

[fluid cave]

You won't need to do it unless it's aircraft that aren't ours

Pretty much

[covert palm]

…can one of aviary’s pilots land and rearm same turn? I thought those were both primary actions

Also I guess for this turn I am either comms intercepting or scanning

[fluid cave]

Landing and take off aren't primaries

[covert palm]

Ah

[fluid cave]

Or the gun if that's not taken

[covert palm]

Aviary doesn’t have a gun?

[fluid cave]

It has 1 autocannon

[mossy flare]

It has 1(one) gun

[covert palm]

I don’t see it on the sheet but maybe I am blind

[fluid cave]

Are you on the new tab?

[zealous palm]

It's on the new tab, not the old

[tough jay]

Alright do you know what the Order Format is?

[covert palm]

Oh

Doesn’t help that google sheets on an iPad looks like this half the time….

[zealous palm]

I'm grabbing food, and should be home and putting together the first pass map in an hr.

[mossy flare]

It's definitely there

[tough jay]

jesus

[timid zinc]

i unfortunately do not

[zealous palm]

Speaking of orders and maps, I still need Averys order, or where it's going at least, and CAs

If their captains are here

[covert palm]

Ok @old hill do you want to take either comm intercept or scanner and I’ll run the other this turn?

[mossy flare]

I'm already running the Aviary scanner this turn

[quasi crown]

@dusky dagger Did you mean MBC jerry?

[tough jay]

scroll all the way up on this https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1385616519882346546

Then start filling that out, based on the movement and action of bombing the frigate #1382036960356597963 message, picture optional.

Then fill out evasive as shown in this picture #1382036960356597963 message, picture optional

ask if there's anything else confusing you.

[fluid cave]

Also you care welcome to do something else

[quasi crown]

@glad flume @slow whale @halcyon dew Need you all to put your orders in for ship movement

[covert palm]

I mean there’s only so many things to do on the aviary

[mossy flare]

Very true

[glad flume]

Oh is it due today? I’ll get it done

[fluid cave]

No, Taccoms want it early

[quasi crown]

its not due today but ship movement determines everyone elses possible actions so we'd like that first

[halcyon dew]

Will get to it boss!

[quasi crown]

Orders aren't for a few days but it will help making the map

[covert palm]

Alright I’ll run the comms intercept then @old hill

Wait @edgy harbor if you are already comms intercepting the frigate…. Do we have a second scanner somewhere?

[slow whale]

I'll probably be forming up behind the other BCs at 4217, if that is still the plan. I'll see if I can find a point to do my order, still at work. Will for sure get it in around 4:30 when I get home.

[covert palm]

If we have a second we can also scan and comms the Tormentor

[fluid cave]

Both ships with Comms intercept has comms and scanner

We can scan BC and Frigate each

[edgy harbor]

From what I understand there is someone who is gonna be already scanning the frigate

[fluid cave]

And Atlas is also scanning frigate

[quasi crown]

Its ok to have some redundancy

[covert palm]

If we are already scanning the frigate, and atlas is scanning the tormentor… maybe we also scan the honey badger/brawler?

[fluid cave]

The Frigate and Brawler are the same thing

[covert palm]

Wait I misread that lol

[edgy harbor]

Yeah, was gonna say that. (is the third ship "brawler" in the room with us right now?)

[covert palm]

Wait I thought the frigate was the uhhhh vulture? I am confused lol

[edgy harbor]

Vulture is the one in orbit of the planet rn (I think)

#midround-events message I believe this one is "Vulture"

[covert palm]

Yeah scanners have range 3 on tac map

So it’s in range

Anyway my proposal is:

If atlas is scanning+ commsing the brawler, we should scan+comms the tormentor and vulture

[edgy harbor]

We can't the vulture because it's on a completely different map though? Unless I'm missing something that says we can

[quasi crown]

Vulture is 2 strat maps away

[crude slate]

Y'all have what, 4 marines? Plus 1 Medic and 1 Engineer?

[covert palm]

The equipment list says the scanner has a 3-tactical range

[quasi crown]

Yes, tactical, not strategic

[covert palm]

…..ok I may not be able to read

lol

[north crown]

I think they’re 2?

[calm talon]

all orbital guns are range 2 except LRMs

[north crown]

Do like “this is TF Victorum stand aside we’re coming through” that’s one of my favorite lines from WW2 from Chang Lee

[edgy harbor]

I did something akin to that with my own spin on it

Also I had a funny idea of just quoting conquest "Stand ready for my arrival, bots"

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-invincible-conquest-conquest-hello-chat-stand-ready-for-my-arrival-invincible-hello-chat-gif-13038544277166512740

[quasi crown]

my bad, my brain combined reload and range

[covert palm]

Ok hm. What can I do…. I guess I could comms intercept again lol? Or we could get two separate scans focused on different things on the battlecruiser, thst’ll probably get us more detail, and i comms intercept?

Cause scanner mentions asking for different things whereas comms intercept doesn’t

[hard sleet]

that would have been absolutely peak. Hose I am begging you to do it.

[north crown]

Would love to try to figure out what exactly that BC is manufacturing

cause I’m personally convinced it’s making those boarding bots from people

[fluid cave]

I don't think we can use a module more than once per turn

[covert palm]

But we have two scanners right?

[fluid cave]

The avairy is 1 Cargo bay, 1 armory, 1 autocannon, 1 comms intercept, and 1 scanner. The rest is flight decks

[covert palm]

We just need someone on the Primo Victoria to run it

Primo Victoria has a scanner too

[fluid cave]

Yeah, Kael is

We're spliting targets on the BC (Tormentor) and Frigate (Brawler)

Then Atlas is scanning each and Comms the Frigate

[covert palm]

But what are they scanning for specifically?

[calm talon]

scanning an orbital is a prereq for comms intercept

[covert palm]

Cause the equipment list says you should specifiy

[covert palm]

Yes

[fluid cave]

I think layout

We should go for Hits and armor

[solar ravine]

Well then...
Time to dish out some hurt.

[covert palm]

Yeah neither of them in our group specificy what they are scanning

[tough jay]

Will update this whenever the bombers actually form up

[fluid cave]

Ping them with that reminder then

[heady void]

@tough jay hey man not sure if its a mistake but you have your starting coords at 4419

instead of 4119

[solar ravine]

Gonna open up the second bomber squadron, ID: Cloudbreak

[tough jay]

fuck

[heady void]

yeah i had to fix mine as well

[covert palm]

Hey @zealous palm @mossy flare just going to remind both of you that the equipment list says scanner looks for specific info. It will probably still work if you specify nothing, but I think it’s better to make sure we get what we want out of the scans (what the life signs/industry is doing would be what I’m personally interested in, but feel free to ignore me)

[solar ravine]

Main question, do I hold my torpedo since AP3 is better served to the Tormentor.

[halcyon dew]

I cant write the order right now, but unit QUASAR will maneuverer the The Twisted Echo to hex 3918 and hold there for now

[fluid cave]

Isn't your torpedo your normal weapon now?

We'll do a second run on the Tormentor

[tough jay]

use it, we're going to be mass rearming anyways later

[solar ravine]

Also, depending on where the frigate ends up, my torp may well get shot down.

[tough jay]

.

[fluid cave]

It's work a shot anyways

[cosmic ledge]

There is nothing for me to repair this turn so what should I crew

[quasi crown]

Use it on either target

The auto fire is so good

[quasi crown]

Any of the guns would be good, we have a target rich environment lol

[fluid cave]

I would say HMGs especially

We’ve got fighters and maybe more boarders

[quasi crown]

YEah, exodia's port HMG would be great

Can't wait for the mechs to fire their lasers at them too

[hard sleet]

If I want to do an RP post for some pre campaign shennanigans. Where should I do so? in here or on the sheets

[quasi crown]

On the Lore tab of the sheet

[hard sleet]

gotta figure out how I want to upload it then

[edgy lance]

looks good to me

[solar ravine]

Opened squadron 2 as Cloudbreak. Preferred position rear inward.

[hard sleet]

would you all describe all ships making up TF1 as capital ships besides the Twisted Echo.

[quasi crown]

yes

[solar ravine]

Yep.
Only ARMCO ship bigger than us atm is the Vigil, and that one's not here.

[north crown]

Yes my personal take for Armco ships is BC and BB are capital ships, cruisers are secondary ships of the line and everything below that are escorts

Also our main goal this next turn needs to be to soak up any and all fire

Cause the transports are coming in with us

And we really can’t afford to lose any of those

[edgy harbor]

Isn't the vigil also a battleship? Making it be roughly the same size as the PV

[north crown]

It was a old gas mining station so we’re not sure

[edgy harbor]

Pretty sure I've seen it referred to as a battleship before though

[north crown]

Could be a unique size class or something akin to a dreadnought

[solar ravine]

Technically yes...?
It originally was a fuckoff huge mobile gas refinery.

3 hexgrids long, if the old gridscale is even comparable to the current one.

[zealous palm]

Good point, at least it's easy for me to adjust my order, seeing as I'm submitting them all rorl

[north crown]

Which btw is absolutely hilarious to me how size classes get mixed around these days. Technically battleships should be larger then dreadnoughts since dreadnoughts where the precursors to modern battleships

[edgy harbor]

Dreadnoughts where also technically a type of battleship, named after the OG dreadnought, HMS Dreadnought

[rapid sorrel]

Yeah, but calling something a dreadnought is about the viiiiibe

[gritty crystal]

see you get it. it has dread in the name so you are supposed to dread it

[edgy harbor]

Technically, the name also has "nought" as in dread nought. (Fear not)

[tough jay]

https://youtu.be/RJK0jhymE5A?si=YKe4YF0YvJniNZR7

[rapid sorrel]

Okay anything that tells me strictly to "Fear not"

Is being feared

[pure bramble]

boarders hmm, maybe its best we walk onto the hull in preperation? also great song!

[gritty crystal]

in this case, its the dreadnoughts that dont fear anything

"the dreadnought dreads nothing at all"

[edgy harbor]

If dreadnoughts are introduced, perhaps they could be a special variant of the battleship hull, maybe coming with pre-installed turret mounts for MBCs, seeing how the OG dreadnought's innovational design was how it was a pure focus on the biggest guns possible with the widest firing arcs.
Though if we get subtypes for ships I'd most definitely like to see something for fast battleships too.

[north crown]

Very true

[rapid sorrel]

You know I would hop on that dreadnought gang so fast

[north crown]

Oh I would to

Without hesitation

[halcyon dew]

Could one of the TACCOMs pin the order tempalte in the orders channel pls 🙏

[zealous palm]

Ok, powers out at my place, it's storming here, and it's not expected to be fixed for 3-4 hrs. So I'll put the map out tomorrow. At least all 4 orbitals have orders in, so guns can target.

Remember you can fire at where an enemy orbital is at the start of the turn, firing from where you will end up at the end of the turn.

Can't pin, but it's pinned here

[north crown]

I really want a BC but if I was given the opportunity to take something bigger then a BB I would in a heartbeat

[halcyon dew]

Aight, many thanks

[zealous palm]

BB is the biggest, and really is a Dreadnaught

[hard sleet]

Sadly it looks like I cannot atatch files into google sheets 😦

[unkempt smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/space-battleship-yamato-space-battleship-yamato2202-open-fire-torpedo-gif-13837971

[zealous palm]

Really a Dreadnaught class BB would have a bunch of ARC or turret MBC facing forward, and maybe 1 HMG per side.

While a Pre-Dread or non Dread class would have a bunch of ACs on the sides that have partial overlapping arcs of fire, and maybe 1-2 MBC fixed.

[quasi crown]

Share links should work

[gritty crystal]

do bombers have access to evasive order type?

[north crown]

I would love for turrets to get an update instead of costing one req and a CS to see it go up in req but cost no CS

[quasi crown]

No

[north crown]

But I can see how quickly that would be unbalanced, I could however see making the 360 degree turret cost a CS because of how you’d have to move a ships superstructure to get that degree of fire. While the 180 is just an add on

[hard sleet]

no clue how thos work.

[quasi crown]

if you upload your doc to some cloud service (google drive or etc) you can do a share link

[winter token]

@quasi crown
I've typed up the three plans that were discussed, would love your input:
LINK

[hard sleet]

think I got it to work. Thanks for the help

[tough jay]

You make it seem like we have any other choice then to shoot the BC if Atlas decides to go to elim

If we were actually hellbent on killing it despite prisoners, we would have had the Bombers target the Bc instead

[winter token]

I can fix the tone if its important, but are the facts ok?

[solar ravine]

Our LF doesn't have any marines onboard.
We're kinda not cut out for anything other than 'Big gun go blap'

[rapid sorrel]

LF's gotta stay away from those buzz droids

[solar ravine]

If the Tormentor had a flight deck it'd be a different matter.

[winter token]

It doesn't appear to. All '?'s have been revealed.

[thin fulcrum]

Yeah the LF isn't on the map to tagert before next orders. If they relaunch buzz droids they're likely targeting us in Atlas

[solar ravine]

Now I wish we had at least an VTOL... 😭

[tough jay]

don’t have a vtol bay

[winter token]

We'd come pick up your infantry for you if you had one, but alas, a lack

[rapid sorrel]

It's not "veto-ed due to big gun"

That's literally all we have, we can hold off if you want to board, but we have to know before next round, becuase every round it's alive and not being dealt with, it's making problems

[solar ravine]

We have infantry.
What we don't have is a way to get them onto enemy ships.

[winter token]

If you had a VTOL bay, we'd pick up your infantry.

is what I meant.

[rapid sorrel]

We don't

[winter token]

Yes, I know. "Alas, a lack"

[rapid sorrel]

You can try fitting it in the mech bay, but good luck

[thin fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-gif-26772759

if only lol

[winter token]

How awful would it be if you stuck all your infantry into the Twisted Echo, which could reach and hard dock with the Tormentor immediately?

[rare lantern]

It cant though orbitals can only dock if the target hasn't moved at all in at least the last round

[tough jay]

Also, Twisted Echo doesn't have a flight deck

[rare lantern]

And the tormentor has moved and is moving lol

[winter token]

The following round then, after we scan it, board it, and disable the engines?

[thin fulcrum]

Or if the engines are disabled which we can do

[thin fulcrum]

You don't need a flight deck to move crew around in the Task Force

[rare lantern]

You need to have some way to transport them between ships lol, we dont have teleporters

[winter token]

Y'all can dock while in transit, and declare where your crew is before you pass through the gate.

You don't need to be stopped to dock with a friendly ship.

[rare lantern]

Without a flight deck the only way the Twisted echo has to move units is to directly dock with other orbitals

[winter token]

Also, I'm striking plan B, it would take too long

[fluid cave]

If you have a flight deck I can take them back from you

[winter token]

You don't have a VTOL bay though, so the whole thing's moot

[fluid cave]

Cause you have a flight deck and VTOL Bay right?

If we landed infantry somehow you could take them back to your ship. Then I fly over and bring them back.

But the LF we have isn't taking our infantry so it'd be our larger ships docking

[winter token]

And they're 3 turns out from docking, right?

[fluid cave]

We have speed 2

[winter token]

or 2?

[fluid cave]

I think that's in range

[winter token]

2 is still a hard sell

We're 2 turns away from Elim now, and Storm just landed

There's no way they can hold on their own for 4 turns

[fluid cave]

They'd be able to dock next turn

Which is the earliest we can anyways

[winter token]

It's also assuming the boarding is successful, and disabling the engines is immediately successful

[fluid cave]

Yes

Which is the LF assupmtion

[winter token]

this whole thing feels more and more impossible

[fluid cave]

I agree with you

[quasi crown]

We also need all our crew manning guns

[rare lantern]

Alternatively, we just turn the ship into floating scrap and get to saving the planet

[fluid cave]

I stand by boarding is really hard.
It could be worth it.
We aren't equipped to board

[winter token]

agreed

[fluid cave]

If you attempt be ready to get off on T4 if we need you to

[winter token]

Which would you prefer, that we poke our heads in to confirm the presence of civilians?

Then leave immediately

[fluid cave]

If we find civies, then we need to get them out

If we don't look we don't know

[winter token]

I hate that idea lol

[tough jay]

"Hi yes Victorum there is civie inside, anyways your moral dilemma now, buh bye!"

[winter token]

Order the ship to surrender then

[fluid cave]

We can't stop you from doing anything

We can do that

[tough jay]

Can it even surrender?

it's a bot ship

[fluid cave]

We don't know

We can try

[rare lantern]

They're robots lol, the odds of them actually standing down are infinitesmal

[fluid cave]

I suggest we order it anyways

[quasi crown]

I think we are getting too wrapped up about the bio signs aboard

[fluid cave]

They might think we have even bigger guns comming soon

[quasi crown]

there is no proof they are friendlies

[calm talon]

I don't think that machines harvesting civvies are going to surrender

[quasi crown]

and we have to consider the fact that these ships are holding up ~400 players from making planet fall

[calm talon]

We can also blow this particular ship up, and then try to board another one later

[quasi crown]

The overall operation has precedence over everything else.

[fluid cave]

Okay, I think our opinions are clear. As TF Victorum
We're planning on blowing it up.
If friendlies are on board, then we can't.
The sooner the ship is dead the better.
The life forms could be anything, not knowing is okay.
We cannot stop Atlas from doing anything.
Every player is free to their choices

[quasi crown]

We can't stop anyone from attempting to board and we will attempt to honor any ceasefire requested once boarding has been initiated. but if it is between saving the possible handful of captured friendlies and the hundreds of troops behind us, we will have to destroy the ship

[tough jay]

rip the otter children

[quasi crown]

Also, ooc remember there are hundreds of players not getting to play until they make planet fall. Lets not keep them twiddling their thumbs

[fluid cave]

I'm choosing to believe the lifeforms are cyborgs.

Not otters

[tough jay]

knowing that they were hunting civie ships and that they need populace for reasons...very likely to be civies from ships that have surrendered, boarded and survivors of lifepods.

[fluid cave]

Shhh

[quasi crown]

for all we know they are already borg'd

[fluid cave]

If I think they're cyborgs. Then they aren't little otter people that could be saved

[quasi crown]

Also, trolley problem turn 1 lol

[fluid cave]

True

[teal rampart]

Since I only have flight decks should I just wait until some fighters/bombers come back so I can rearm/repair them or is there something else I can help with?

[fluid cave]

Which ship are you on?

[teal rampart]

Aurorae

Battlecruiser

[fluid cave]

You can use any equipment on the Aurorae

[teal rampart]

yea, but I assume that they already have their own crews manning them no?

[fluid cave]

Yeah I think so

[teal rampart]

I guess I can help with damage control if we take hits

[fluid cave]

Yeah, not much to do rn

[quasi crown]

HMG on CA is still open

[teal rampart]

What is CA?

[quasi crown]

Corvus Aurorae

[teal rampart]

guess I will be manning that, though where did you see that it's open?

[quasi crown]

I am using the orders tracker

[rare lantern]

No one has put in an order to crew it

[quasi crown]

You can view the orders tracker but don't edit it please

I have been updating it as orders have come in

@old hill do you want to say where you are aiming the intercept?

[old hill]

Do you "aim" it. I thought it's would do it thing on whatever the Aviary scans. are scans shard across a BG?

[quasi crown]

I honestly don't know lol

I would assume so

[old hill]

I will update the order to say I target the Aviary's scanners?

[quasi crown]

Or the frigate?

[old hill]

That works

[quasi crown]

Its just cleaner that way at least

[teal rampart]

Do I need to put Flight decks under my equipment or is that unnecessary?

[quasi crown]

Unnecessary

Your equipment has been equiped to the ship

[winter token]

@quasi crown
Atlas is still voting, but it's most likely we're not gonna board. Good hunting. Don't let them get close.

[quasi crown]

Sounds good. Good hunting

[glad flume]

@fierce sentinel is planning on manning it. tbh idrc who specifically does it, but he did bring it. @teal rampart you guys can decide. beyond that, yeah its just doing repairs if needed, and maybe (hopefully not) repelling boarders

[teal rampart]

then I will wait with my order until he makes the call (it's his equipment afterall)

[quasi crown]

Just noticed that the BC has LRMs, definitely want all of our HMGs manned just to be safe

[halcyon spire]

It has also pointed its HMGs towards the gate, any aerospace may need to be careful near there.

[quasi crown]

So far all of the aero units have swung wide around it to the other side

[halcyon spire]

Yeah, but our aerospace also needs to be careful once of the other side of the gate.

[dusky dagger]

@quasi crown no my MBC is called Longbow i know Zebrian joked a while back about renaming it, didthat endup official?

[sinful latch]

I mean, it got set on the sheet, but if you want it to be called Longbow, that's fine

[edgy lance]

@pine ferry check your order type. Frebird's recommended formation has Dagger squadron advancing.
Is there a particular reason you want to go evasive?

[pine ferry]

Oh i forgot to swap it off evasive. I’ll go change that

[edgy lance]

roger that

[pine ferry]

fixed

[north crown]

Sorry I’m catching up on messages now would we really fire on the BC if Atlas decided to board? I could understand one round of fire cause we shouldn’t be able to kill it in that time frame but if we fire consecutively we would kill the BC and the boarding party

If they wanna grab us info I’m all for aiming for the weapons in our first volley especially since it’s just the launchers and the fore MBC that can actually threaten us

[calm talon]

its reasonably safe for us to fire at it for one round as we get closer. if Atlas decides to board & disable engines, ok, we can then fly up to it next turn and board. if Atlas decides not to board we lose nothing

it would be ideal if we can communicate our intentions between the two TFs propery

but I've been hearing it both ways, so I dunno what's actually going on

[halcyon spire]

As far as I'm concerned, Atlas still hasn't actually decided.

[north crown]

Okay some of the messages I read in atlas sounded like they thought we would fire on them even if after they boarded

Ya saw that part I just wanted to confirm

[halcyon spire]

That is true. And I was not helping. :D

[thin fulcrum]

It's up to a vote we're leaving for 24 hours to get as many votes as possible but the biggest consensus is to leave for Elim. once the poll is done we'll formally come up with a plan.

[halcyon spire]

We're good, I really doubt we would friendly fire them with the vote being so skewed.

[north crown]

Ah hadn’t gotten that far yet okay that’s good news but I still don’t like them thinking we would’ve fired while they were aboard. Oh well hopefully it was just people just getting overzealous and misreading tone

[halcyon spire]

A big contributor from what I read to their decision was not wanting to stick around and waste time when they could be getting a move on.

[tough jay]

They decided to abandon civilian and compromise followup BG transports because of a miscommunication error, what can we do.

[rare lantern]

Gotta remember that as long as there are enemies around our automated transports will have to trudge through the tactical map

[north crown]

Yup

And their probably speed one

[tough jay]

They also keep pushing us to use our Light freighter to board the enemy Battlecruiser

[lyric turret]

So hammer the frigate if engines are disabled we can revist possible boarding if not provide the mercy kill.

[halcyon spire]

Oh well, we all know what's going to happen to the battle cruiser. >:)

https://media.tenor.com/gl-vEobmleoAAAAM/firing-attack.gif

[tough jay]

Frigate is dead 100%, that battlecruiser uh

Hopefully we can not kill the potential civie on board

[halcyon spire]

We'll know for certain once we scan it, and if there's none alive.

Also I would rather blow it up before it blows us up, that's a lot of LRMs

[somber urchin]

cant wait for the part its revealed those are all boarding launch bays and everyone in this TF gets a taste of hand to hand combat

[calm talon]

They're not actually that scary to our main orbitals, but they could fuck up the light freighter or our air contingent something fierce.

[quasi crown]

Fixed the sheet

[quasi crown]

Well so far no one has actually shot at it

[north crown]

Guys they are boarding launchers im like 90% sure

[north crown]

If you measure the distance I’m pretty sure those came straight from the BC

They might be both I know it’s the same icon but I don’t think we can expect shack to have a unique icon for everything

We’ll find out for sure this next turn

[quasi crown]

So far no one has targetted the frigate except one fighter lol

[tough jay]

Because we can't selectively target an enemy

[north crown]

We can I’m fairly certain. At the very least bombers can

[halcyon spire]

Buzz droid!

[north crown]

Ground can’t but I think orbital vs orbital is different I’ll double check the rules tho

[halcyon spire]

I'm certain orbitals can target.

[quasi crown]

literally just sent that ruling a few hours ago

[tough jay]

Orbitals can, aerospace idk

[calm talon]

Someone linked a shack ruling earlier that said orbitals can target their guns on specific orbitals

other than that... probably standard targetting

[north crown]

That’s what I was looking for thank you

Bombers can not sure about fighters

[tough jay]

[north crown]

That’s the bombers special ability to precision units so no clue for fighters

[calm talon]

Fighters still use normal order types so...

[quasi crown]

in any case, we have 4 MBCs & 2 bombers targeting the BC

[halcyon spire]

[tough jay]

anyways, the fighters will end up right on top of the frigate so it should target it.

[north crown]

They get a d4 right?

[quasi crown]

there are still 3 MBCs & 4 ACs unmanned

[halcyon spire]

Is that including PV?

[quasi crown]

yes

[halcyon spire]

Makes sense, not much to target for the broadsides.

[quasi crown]

PV has both forward MBCs manned

[north crown]

Yup I’m on one can’t wait to shoot some clankers

Hopefully our point defenses can knock down any potential boarders

[quasi crown]

The port guns should be able to target the frigate

[halcyon spire]

Most likely the boarders are about to get deleted by the fighters.

We're about to swarm the swarm. XD

[unkempt smelt]

I... want a plushie of one these things, always adorable

[halcyon spire]

Am I looking at this wrong? The PV position (blue arrow) puts everything in front of it. Even if the bots moved left the 90 degree guns wouldn't hit it.

[quasi crown]

You are pointed to the BC I thought

[north crown]

We could turn slightly right? Might open up one of the broadsides?

[halcyon spire]

Adorable?

[calm talon]

Shack had orbitals take fire at their starting position. So in theory the starboard MBC could fire at the BC's starting location, and then the forwards fire at it's final position?

[halcyon spire]

Remeber ships can't turn on the spot.

[north crown]

But probably better to keep the two MBCS and the point defense facing front

[quasi crown]

or if you stay that heading the stbd guns could shoot the BC

[north crown]

Isn’t it limited to 90? At the end of movement?

[halcyon spire]

Final position

[quasi crown]

no just cannot 180 in a turn

[calm talon]

I didn't say fire I said take fire

[halcyon spire]

Oh, 😅 woops

[north crown]

Ahhh maybe then. Couldn’t hurt to ask

[quasi crown]

In anycase, your STBD guns could fire on the BC from that facing

[halcyon spire]

Anyway it says in the most direct line, so I assumed it ends up in the direction it was heading it.

[halcyon spire]

As far as I can tell sstraight line, but feel free to ask anyway, always a good idea.

[tough jay]

definitely not 90 since that hostile frigate turn nearly 180

[quasi crown]

I'm just worried we may be focusing too much fire on the BC and not enough on the frigate with 2 MBCs

[tough jay]

...Looks at the 6 bombers and 9 fighters about to wolfpack the frigate

[quasi crown]

But there is plenty of orders till yet to come in

[quasi crown]

Both bombers that have placed their orders said they are bombing the BC

[tough jay]

💀

And they're using the picture for an attack on the Frigate

So something wrong is going on there

[halcyon spire]

They're going to fly over the frigate...

[violet wharf]

Yeah, i was confused about that

[halcyon spire]

Wait a minute bombs require to be over the target...

That doesn't work

I see the first bomber is using a torp.

And the rest just copied the order despite not having torps 😆

[solar ravine]

I'm specifically going for the BC because

• I can do that, I have a torp
• Said torp has AP3, so it's much better suited for whacking heavy targets.

[tough jay]

Your torp isn't a 1 time use I hope you know that

[halcyon spire]

@gritty crystal ^^^ You may want to clear up your order. You're currently not in a position to bomb the BC XD

[violet wharf]

Wait, we should calculate the probability of taking down the bc in one run.

[tough jay]

it replaces your bomb bay completely, so you can rearm it.

[quasi crown]

Well, there are a lot of possible fires so hard to tell

[violet wharf]

At least all bombs will only hit it, right?

[quasi crown]

But regular bombs are better suited against the lower armor frigate

[halcyon spire]

In 1 turn doing 9+ hits, that requires a lot of weaponry.

[quasi crown]

Regular bombs have no AP, so its a 50% of a hit

[violet wharf]

yeah

[violet wharf]

se we should take out the smaller target first? Since it'll remove threats immediately

[quasi crown]

But, fires also cause hits if not put out immediately, and the torp is an auto fire, the MBCs are 50% of a fire

[halcyon spire]

Yes, remove the frigate as that allows our bigger ships to engage better with the MBCs

[solar ravine]

• The frigate may also either outrun my torpedo or lure it into AA fire.

[tough jay]

also BC & Frigate have the same armor with the frigate having only 2 less hits. so the arguement for whacking heavy target is kinda eh.

[gritty crystal]

Ok thanks for letting me know

[halcyon spire]

Shack usually doesn't simulate everything. It'll be interesting to see if he simulates fires for the bots.

[quasi crown]

Also the fires will force them to spend actions putting out the fires instead of shooting or etc

[quasi crown]

Frigates have 1 armor, BCs have 2

[halcyon spire]

That I know for certain, Shack isn't simulating enemy crew. He's doing a rough count for the amount of actions the ships has.

[solar ravine]

BC is 2 armor, Frigate is 1.
Still only a minor difference, but it's there.

[quasi crown]

They probably have limited action pool though

[tough jay]

Did I read speed fuck

[gritty crystal]

Wait I get the armor piercing but can’t you drop bombs on any part of an enemies path??

[halcyon spire]

That's true.

[quasi crown]

12% difference in causing a hit with a d6, 25% with a d4

[halcyon spire]

I think you could, but you would need to fly over the path. Directly over it.

[tough jay]

anyways, would rather you focus on just killing the Frigate right off the bat in this turn instead of scattered attention, but you do you.

[quasi crown]

They are on 4215 tbf

[violet wharf]

Order Type: Advance

Movement/Action Tracker(If not on ship):
4119 -> 4417 -> 4416 -> 4215 NW, in formation with other TF1 flights (see image.png for overview).

Should the order not also contain an order to move at the specific ship to strike it, incase it moves a single hex before the strike group arrives (or to clarify?) We have the move to deviate from the current path

[tough jay]

btw if the bomber can't hit the Frigate, just know it was Cael who told me that bombers can target Orbital at it's beginning point.

[violet wharf]

Or do orbitals always move after aeros?

[halcyon spire]

If you want to allow it you're the tac com. Maybe I'm just reading too much into this. 😅

But in cases like V3, the bomber had to literally path over the target.

It was part of the danger.

[quasi crown]

We know this from the fact that fluffle got hit before moving

[quasi crown]

I have just been copying what people put in their orders lmao

[unkempt smelt]

They are kinda all moving at the same time. Only difference is in whenevr shak posts it.

There is Some loosey goosey action timeline you can set as a tac com... within reason.

So you could say, order the fighters to run a screen first doe deplow a smoke screen if we had one and then the orbitals in the group push behind the smoke screen.

But you have to be SPECIFIC about that in taccom maps.

[solar ravine]

The torpedo can itself move at speed 2 for 2 turns, so I effectively have range 2 on my attack, or a delayed range 4 attack.

[halcyon spire]

Doesn't help that the rules are super specific in some parts and super vague in other parts.

[violet wharf]

yes, but if the rest of the bombers dont hit their mark, that's, not good

[gritty crystal]

So if I were to change my order, should I resubmit it? I remember hearing that i shouldn’t just edit it

[quasi crown]

Correct

[solar ravine]

Who says we're all required to hit the same target?

[gritty crystal]

Ok thanks

[quasi crown]

Delete the old one and resubmit

But don't feel pressured to do so

[halcyon spire]

Yeah if you still want to strike the BC go right ahead.

[quasi crown]

My damn "p" key is on the fritz 😦

[tough jay]

Just know I will throttle you if we're one hit off from killing the Frigate when the time comes 🙂
-# /j

[halcyon spire]

Damn, not working sometimes I guess.

[quasi crown]

yeah idk why

[unkempt smelt]

Left the enemy on 1% club. We'll make an official ribbon.

[violet wharf]

focus fire is important to take out enemy damage output. Ig the torpedos could target a different target? But if the Concentrated strike does not kill, it should probably strike the same target, even if it's a waste of AP (Fighters should specify that they target the same target as the bombers if possible)

[quasi crown]

Well current Focus of fire is on the BC

[tough jay]

.......?

[quasi crown]

Every gun so far is targetting the BC, over half of our MBCs

So if we are wanting to possibly sink a ship this turn it'd be the BC

[tough jay]

Man I can see why Atlas thought we were just going to recklessly gun everything now.

[violet wharf]

How many guns is it? Do we have enough damage to likely sink it if bombers target it?

[quasi crown]

4 MBCs ~1.5 hits each (when accounting for fires) so 6 hits
1 Torp is effectively 2 hits, assuming the torp isn't shot down
Assuming it has 9 hits, it is close to dead

[solar ravine]

Counterpoint, we know what the BC will do. With the frigate also being speed 2 it can (and likely will) outrun us on this turn.
So instead of the potential hit on the frigate, I choose the guaranteed hit on the BC.

[tough jay]

where are you getting these numbers???

[quasi crown]

Also to note, bombers could hit the BC and turn around and land

[violet wharf]

This is why i we need to know the rules on this, do orbitals move before or at the same time as aero?

[quasi crown]

Which numbers?

[tough jay]

the 1.5 hits and 2 hits

[quasi crown]

So MBCs have a 50% chance of causing a fire and Torpedos auto cause fires
Fires cause hits if not put out immediately

[violet wharf]

Fires are nowhere in the rules T-T (if im not dumb)

[tough jay]

They're there

[tough jay]

but that fire damage only take effect end of next turn

[violet wharf]

Thanks

[violet wharf]

so they still fire back

[quasi crown]

Yes, but each fire also shuts down/degrades a system

[quasi crown]

If they shoot back they aren't putting out the fire

[tough jay]

Also I'm more annoyed no one has told me the retargetting that's happening from the Frigate to the BC, current Aerospace Bombing run is focused primarily on the Frigate

[quasi crown]

Well, its up to each player

I also thought that the plan was to focus the frigate first but 🤷‍♂️

[violet wharf]

What is the list of orbital weaponry that is firing at the bc?

[quasi crown]

Both of the PV Fore MBCs
Both of CAs MBCs

[tough jay]

if the PV angle itself right, 3 MBC,.

[quasi crown]

and an AC

Exodia's MBC and AC haven't been manned yet

Neither has Av's AC

So 5 guns unaaccounted for

[violet wharf]

So total average hits = (2/3 * 2)*(ACs) + (1 * 2)*(MBCs) + (2/3 * 2)*(non torpedo bombers) + 2*(Bomber torpedos) + (1/2 * 2)*(fighters) - crew on board

(on bc w/ armor 2)

[violet wharf]

If the whole TF went for the BC the average damage would be:
9 fighters - (5 hits worth of enemy aero) + 6 bombers (1 torpedo) + 3 MBC + 1 AC + 1 HMG

4 (fighters) + 6+2/3 (bombers) + 2 (torpedo) + 6 (MBCs) + 2/3 (AC) + 1/2 (HMG) - Crew on board target
= 19+5/6 - Crew on board BC

I think we should focus down the BC

[violet wharf]

A bc's got 9 hits, so we'll most likely kill it in one turn + fire

Even if things don't go to plan, we've got a good margin

All aero should advance in a ball too, not be evasive, theres not even close to 15 AA hits on the enemy side right now

possibly even killing the BC before end of this turn with direct damage without fire damage (divide average by 2)
(my opinion on the situation, *I might be dumb in some way)

[rare lantern]

Fires only do damage if they existed since the start of the round to the end of the round and are not extinguished

[violet wharf]

Its still >50% chance that the BC dies of direct damage, without accounting for other TFs

Can aero land, rearm/repair, launch on the same turn?

[violet wharf]

If not, we should start launched, strike the bc and rearm the the same turn, as it's closer, this way we can strike the turn after too. If we can, we should concentrate fire on the smaller target to ensure it gets taken out to reduce incoming damage

[rare lantern]

No, first of all, can't land and launch on the same turn, second, rearming takes their primary action, but firing alos take primary action

[violet wharf]

so it's either take the smaller target out turn one with direct damage, or take the BC out in one strike, including fire damage

Then finish the smaller afterwards

[rare lantern]

the smaller has more big guns

[violet wharf]

Yes, but depends on what the silos and unidentified parts are

It would likely be a choice between: (targeting the smaller target) 2-3 turns of bc actions or (targeting the BC) 2 turns of smaller target actions and 0-1 turn of bc actions

(both using one LS to rearm, depending on orbital cannon's damage, but most likely costing one LS either way)

[glad flume]

@timid zinc idk if you know this, but Vampire is the callsign for when an anti-ship missile gets locked onto a friendly ship. so uh, try not to make your callsign into a reality lmao

or at least for our side

[unkempt smelt]

Hey, Task force space math nerds!

You guys were the ones who did the math on taking out that BC right?

[fierce sentinel]

I’m planning on manning it, haven’t put in the order yet since I was waiting to see where the Corvus Aurorae would end up and then to decide whether I would prepare to shoot at a fighter or prepare to shoot LRMS. Will put in my order later today as I’m currently not at my PC for a few hours.

[timid zinc]

nope thats totally intended

[glad flume]

So ur whole fighter is an anti ship missile? Lmao

Japan strat

[tough jay]

Emiza did that yeah

[unkempt smelt]

Yeah what uh

it was on 1 Hit left, eyeah?

Yeah the 1 hit plus fire. nice nice nice nice nice

[timid zinc]

Spacecraft are NEVER out of ammo...

[hard sleet]

I don’t like where this is going.

Have we considered that we are not going to hit the frigate as it is going to move?

[rapid sorrel]

Quite a bit

[rapid sorrel]

@lyric juniper @calm talon @keen yacht @neat loom

Your orders aren't checked as submitted properly, just a head's up

[violet wharf]

On average slightly under 10 hits dealt, accounting for 5 fighters/HMG having to shoot enemy aero (excluding fires)
So odds are it'd go down same round if we all focus fired, and if we can get some support from another BG we should have it basically guaranteed.
Right now our submitted orders are not to target the BC and we have fighters on evasive

[zealous palm]

Shack said firing is at the end of a move, but targeting and hitting could be at the start or end of an enemy move

Just to put this to bed, orbitals can always focus fire, aerospace and ground can focus fire on a tile, if theirs only 1-2 enemies in it, if it's a mob, shacks group rules apply.

[keen yacht]

Oh yeah when are they due?

[violet wharf]

I really think we should go for the gold and take out a BC turn one of action, what an entrance it'd be

[zealous palm]

Sunday night at the latest, we would prefer Sunday morning

Give us a bit of extra time to fix issues

[keen yacht]

oh good, was worried it was today

[quasi crown]

Sooner the better for Kael and I

[rich gulch]

You fire all but the HMG at the end of your turn.

I made a mistake with Fluffles cannon during last round. I'm also getting used to the new rules of orbital combat.

[fluid cave]

But we can still hit someone at the end of our movement but before they get to the end of theirs?

Example

[fresh stream]

I'm awake now, what did I miss?

Alright, Damage Control Team, I don't think I need to do anything for that this round is there? Just an action gets used when we actually have damage?

[quasi crown]

Its only used when the ship has damage

[glad flume]

Yep. I’ll lyk when we need it

This is gonna be cool. We jump in and immediately destroy a battlecruiser in one broadside, right?

[lyric turret]

Kinda depends looks like tf2 still hemming and hawing whether to board or not.

[north crown]

If they board we are not firing shack has already ruled no friendly fire of any kind

[glad flume]

I feel like we should ask them not to board, right? Cuz then all our orders are pointless. If they board like the frig that’s fine but also no reason to risk inf if we can kill it

We don’t have the spare crew to crew it, do we?

[quasi crown]

Cool, that would mean literally everyone who has declared a their target would have to change their orders. Which is just stupid. They can make their decision but that's on them

It's not friendly fire if they were warned that it is already being targeted

[calm talon]

Or, here's a thought, our shells get there before their boarding parties. No friendly fire.

[glad flume]

They can board the scrap metal we leave behind

[quasi crown]

I also am not a fan of how they have been painting it as if we are bullying them.

[glad flume]

A rail gun I’m sure arrives faster than a pod

[north crown]

I gotta go to work please lmk if anything changes

[quasi crown]

#1382037040438181950 message

and in many other instances, Ixen continues to bad mouth our TF and frankly it is pissing me off.

[fresh stream]

Alright, then is there anything I'm needed for this first turn?

[edgy harbor]

Damn, that's uncalled for

[glad flume]

Yeah I read through a bunch of it and that’s (what he’s saying) def not what happened. Disappointed shack didn’t check it out himself or ask our side

Also I might have missed it, but where does it say there’s civilians aboard? And honestly how the hell would they get civis about a battlecruiser/why?

[calm talon]

It doesn't.

There's life signs aboard.

People are assuming it might be cute critters

[lyric turret]

Possible civies with the life signs

[zealous palm]

Yah part of why I'm scanning it this turn, to lock down them, and really we can't kill it in one turn, not enough hits even including the bombers. Fire takes a turn to do damage.

[calm talon]

I personally think since the BC is a mobile factory that its some sort of biomechanical nightmare that used to be civvies, but w/e

[glad flume]

Ok I missed that when I first read it. The way I’m interpreting it is it’s like cybermen from dr who

[zealous palm]

Yah I'm getting real geth and reapers vibes from the bots faction.

There's no normal reason for a bot army to take organic prisoners.

[glad flume]

It’s also not fair of another TF to demand we just do nothing for another week

Like we want to play too

[fluid cave]

I’m gonna defend Ixen here.
They’ve been doing a fairly good job of keeping people calm.

But yeah. There are life signs on the BC

Atlas wanted to board

We want to shoot them (The BC)

[glad flume]

Plus like 30 people would need to redo orders

[fluid cave]

If they board there is no rules about us shooting a ship they boarded

[lyric turret]

Best thing we can do is voice our intentions to disable not destroy

[fluid cave]

Shack will force us to hold fire if we have known friendlies on

[glad flume]

I think we destroy. Disable leaves a nav hazard and could be made into a giant bomb

[fluid cave]

We can’t kill friendlies

[quasi crown]

Just, everyone stay out of their comms. A joke made by someone clearly disturbed them

[glad flume]

I bet shack has a ton of nasty surprises planned

[fluid cave]

Us manning the cannons is not killing them

I think that’s where everything went wrong

[glad flume]

Which wastes our turn. Which isn’t fair to us

[fluid cave]

It’s the rules

[glad flume]

And could get us or others killed

[fluid cave]

We can’t make them not board

We’ve told them our plans

If they board we roll with it

[glad flume]

No I know I’m saying their boarding plan is kinda a dick move. They’d hinder our entire existence for this turn

[fluid cave]

I’m aware

[zealous palm]

It's not like they have the ability to board really, their being boarded, or was that Fluffle?

[calm talon]

that was fluffs

[lyric turret]

It happens the battlefield is ever changing we have to deal with it.

[fluid cave]

They’re also stuck with the choice of going to Elim and dropping off Hammer

They’re under stress form other groups too.

The only thing we can do is blow stuff up so we don’t have a choice

[glad flume]

Then they’re like we’ll just transfer control to you guys that makes it ok. Like no we don’t have the crew to control it and can’t do anything with it.

Ok that’s it. Frustrated rant over

[fluid cave]

They have options, so they’re under extra stress we don’t have.

I’m with Cael we should stay out of their comms unless asked or Cael or Kael.

[unkempt smelt]

I hate to break in here but... we do actually have the ability to board. Shak was in Tac-Coms this morning and said
"yeah lets get simple tac-com order with the your BG's destination.
Any place they can doc is acceptable."

Presuming that the engines are knocked out on the battlecruiser. Any of the BG's in auto transports, can state 'were setting our docking to the battlecruiser' and board to take itover.

[lyric turret]

Yeah the only problem is engine can't be disabled unless we shoot or they fully commit to boarding

[quasi crown]

We cannot target subsystems, and they can only board with 2 units.

[fluid cave]

They have more units they can use to board

They have 2 PA in a VTOL. And they have 1 infantry that could use Breach pods

[lyric turret]

Only 2 units can fight in a hallway at a time

[quasi crown]

Without an engineer the VTOL breach takes a full turn just to enter the ship

[fluid cave]

Breach pods and the VTOL are 2 different entry points

[quasi crown]

If this wasn't a bottle neck for 400 players the turn cost wouldn't be a big deal

[unkempt smelt]

plus the main docking with the disabled ship

[fluid cave]

2 attacks 1 to breach and 1 to attack.

[fluid cave]

Ship isn’t disabled.
We can’t insure a disavle

[quasi crown]

but, each turn delayed is death for storm and boredom for 400 players who may just go mia

[calm talon]

If those PAI don't have a heavy weapon they're rolling FS3 vs armor 2 to breach

[fluid cave]

That’s 4/6

[unkempt smelt]

so thats 1 from the main dock... which it has to have because it has fleshies on there.
1 from the vtol
1 from the breach

I mean.... If you put in your orders that all of you are concentrating fire on the rear of the ship to attempt to disable the engines, that will give you a fluff bonus to doing it... Especially if your working with tandem with other groups to board. It's very much in the spirit of the rules kind of thing...

But ya, its not gaurenteed, and it might mean slower movement for the other auto transports coming in this round.

I'll pop back out, said my idea. Best of luck out there Victorum.

[fresh stream]

I can just dig in before we ever get boarded, can't I?

[fluid cave]

Yes. If you do anything besides digging in, you lose the bonus

Or at least I assume you can

[winter token]

Hello Victorum,
I'm just hopping in to say sorry for getting heated earlier. We're all frustrated at the prospect of losing more civilians than necessary, and don't want to build a wedge between us. Cael and I hashed it out in our chat. You can still count on us for help in the future, and are still our allies.

Our final tally was to leave and burn hard to Elim to secure the starport as originally planned. I wish it worked out, but the delay was ultimately going to be too costly.

[keen yacht]

so what isnt manned for the PV, that is still available for me to go on?

[fresh stream]

Well, if there is no damage to control I'm the greatest damage control.

[fluid cave]

Check the TACCOM list

[calm talon]

I took starboard MBC earlier today, I don't think the sheet updated for that yet

[quasi crown]

Starboard AC

or Port MBC/AC

[north crown]

Work is dead do I’m back

[fluid cave]

Thanks for the apology.
Sorry for having a bunch of us swarm your comms.
I know plenty of us have misunderstood what’s going on.
Pop in here if you need something.
I’ll try to watch your comms.

[calm talon]

I think the starboard AC will be able to fire on the BC's original position

[keen yacht]

oh yeah what side is our ship facing at the enemy?

[keen yacht]

or i guess which of those guns are able to fire?

[north crown]

There’s a lot of people so there’s bound to be some friction glad you guys could work it out😁

[keen yacht]

im guessing the starboard side is the one facing the enemy? and portside weapons cant fire?

since no one is on port weapons

[calm talon]

if we exit the gate facing the BC's end position with our forward guns, our starboard guns will face the BC's starting position. Which is still a valid target afaik

[keen yacht]

alright ill man the starboard ac then

[edgy harbor]

Didn't really know the full scope of what was happening but I'm glad to hear it's all been worked out, our fury should be directed at the bots rather than each other after all. Also I personally I'm glad you guys at Atlas are around in the first place and hoping to count on you, we fight but only for as long as you guys keep the supplies flowing our way. (On that note, chimichangas supplies on the PV are getting low, could you please send a resupply our way?)

[thin fulcrum]

I'm glad this was settled as well. And As a peace offering I bring our current (but not final) plans. We're burning an LS for the temprary +1 move. We believe this would be the most direct way off the map and allow the civilian freighters to come with us off the map. We recognize that this will put us in front of the big cannons but we're gonna be their target anyways and it would take another turn to try to safely sneak around their backs. Our fighters in Soteria squadron will be returning for rearm and repair. We're hoping to save our scanners and com-int for the frigate in orbit over Elim Additionally, if they have more buzz droids seeking to board us, their funeral. Any input is appreciated

[violet wharf]

We do have the damage if we focus fire, i did the math

[fluid cave]

Our scanners and comms intercept are hitting both ships right?

[violet wharf]

Average of slightly under 10, accounting for -5 hits against enemy aero

[violet wharf]

divide by 2 for damage without fire

[thin fulcrum]

How many do you have of each? I'm assuming 2 scanner and 1 com-int?

[violet wharf]

Especially if we get any help at all from a different tf, or enemy aero doesnt engage the strike group, if they dont its basically a guaranteed kill

Can we please target the BC, it would be such a good entrance for victorum to take out a bc turn one

[zealous palm]

@quasi crown if you haven't already, can you populate the order spreadsheet, I'll be making the initial map once I get off work and home in 2 or so hrs.

Also, we need a TF patch, the orbital strike would work, but if anyone is artistically inclined and could make a NASA space mission style one, that would be great.

Heck, the BB symbol flanked by the 3 BCs and the LF, as the strike origin point might look sick.

[hard sleet]

Don’t we already have one with the triton?

[fluid cave]

We have 2 of each

[thin fulcrum]

Wow okay, I was worried we were leaving you without target data but it seems you all got it well in hand.

[edgy harbor]

Yep, feel free to save your scans for that oblivious frigate in orbit of Elim

[quasi crown]

I have been, I'm in a D&D game so I'll update it when done

[violet wharf]

I don't think it's gonna happen, not even getting acknowledgment 🥲

[keen yacht]

My order is targeting their orbital, though I don’t know how many other weapons are targeting it

[lyric juniper]

I’m aware, I have my orders written up, might draw up a map still. I’ll submit now, and if it makes sense I’ll just run it, if not fully I’ll draw a map

[violet wharf]

it would need to be a full coordinated strike for it to work, so whole tf would need to be in agreement and change orders if already submitted

[thorn kayak]

Hi Shovel TCO here! I wanted to ask what your general plan is?
Shovels might self deploy so I am asking specifically regarding the hostile fighters

[fluid cave]

We're not really worring about them

We're doing a bombing run on the Frigate and all guns are being fired

So we've got good HMG cover but no focus on the fighters

[zealous palm]

No clue if we had one, we're supposed to chose/make one, hence why I posted

I thought our fighters were going to down some in the sweep?

[edgy harbor]

Besides, pretty sure that Atlas should have the fighter front mostly covered. Whilst they lack anti orbital weaponry, they do have a bunch of fighters and AA defense.

[hard sleet]

Check the sheet near the top. I think that qualifies as a path on the main page.

[tough jay]

welp

Will draw up a new route since everyone wants to attack the BC instead of the frigate

[thorn kayak]

Well they did shot already right? So Atlas would need to use one LS for resupplying and repairs?

[fluid cave]

Yeah, their fighters are down this turn

They're going to spend the LS because they need fighters back up

[thorn kayak]

Understandable

[fluid cave]

Every bombing run we do is going to cost us 1 LS too

That's just how orbitals work

[tough jay]

Sorry folks who already got their orders in, we're rerouting due to popular demand.

[thorn kayak]

Could of course be like the other person said that the hostile fighters also need to rearm first

[fluid cave]

We aren't we bombing the Frigate?

[violet wharf]

all fighter would need to be on advance for us to have the damage

[tough jay]

No point when all of our torpedo bombers are going to target the BC anyways with previous route.

[fluid cave]

But then 1 target is almost already dead

Then our guns have 2 targets

I'd say we should bomb the Frigate and let the torps do it.

[tough jay]

Not enough firepower

[fluid cave]

We have guns that might hit it

[tough jay]

We won't since all guns are firing on Tormentor, they have said so on multiple occasion despite my internal frustration.

[fluid cave]

So of them can't

[tough jay]

So Frigate Bombing is getting scrapped, we'll just focus all effort on wiping ou the BC in 1 turn.

[fluid cave]

Ex: PV has 4 MBCs all are fixed

2 are port and starboard. They can't hit anything the forward guns can

If they can't hit the target they want, they still shoot someone else (If possible)

[hard sleet]

So I need to resubmit my order?

[fluid cave]

Wait on it for now

[violet wharf]

All fighters need to be on advance for us to have the damage

[tough jay]

9 Potential Damage from Dagger & the 2 Bombers Squadron, plus the MBCs from the Victorum's Orbitals will kill it in a turn.

[thorn kayak]

Why do some bombers have ? for their callsign?

[tough jay]

Cause the bombers haven't formed up into squadrons on the sheet

so I can only put them down as ??? temporarily/

[thorn kayak]

Ah okay still a WIP

[violet wharf]

if enemy fighters come in and tank, even accidentally when going to rearm, it'll be -5 damage, in case of that we likely wont have enough (or ig it wouldnt matter much)

[fluid cave]

Spreading damage is okay because we can't focus fire with our guns

[tough jay]

that's what the 6 fighters in the front are for.

[fluid cave]

(Because angles)

[violet wharf]

if they miss, the other fighters will also have to target them?

[tough jay]

You say this as if the Frigate mission would have gone any better in the same scenario.

[amber dragon]

so do we resubmit orders or wait?

[tough jay]

Wait

[violet wharf]

Frigate has less hits, so would be enough anyway? or?

[tough jay]

No because the Torpedo bombers decided to target the BC as we pass by

[fluid cave]

Definitly put up a poll

[tough jay]

so only 4 bombers are functionally actually bombing the Frigate

[fluid cave]

But people are allowed to submit orders as they please

[tough jay]

Hey if I was allowed to do whatever I want, I'd go run off and intercept fighters instead of escorting bombers.

[fluid cave]

You can

You just might die

[violet wharf]

how about something like this? that also possibly tanks with the strike force, and might engage fighters too

[tough jay]

That exposes us to HMG fire

the bombers are at least

[fluid cave]

You're always exposed to HMG fire

[tough jay]

which I don't want to take the risk of

[violet wharf]

that would be the point, clump up the strikeforce and we've got 15 hits worth of damage to tank, would save damage on orbitals

[tough jay]

Yeah but with the other one, the Fighters with evasive are being targeted before making it out of HMG Arc range, hitting the rear of the Orbital and then peeling back for rearm asap.

[violet wharf]

or even this, so that if we have bombs left over, we can damage / start fires on the frigate

Can go back to rearm / repair next turn

[tough jay]

We won't.

[violet wharf]

it doesnt cost resources to do it, just in case we have like one left

[tough jay]

You do you, I need a break.

[violet wharf]

fair enough

imma take one too

[covert palm]

If i am firing the Aviary Autocannon, should I shoot the frigate or BC? I assume the frigate cause we don't want to risk killing the life signs on the BC?

and lower armored

[tough jay]

At this point, Atlas has abandoned the boarding mission, and we don't have the capability to do so.

So just full salvo that thing

[covert palm]

roger roger

[fluid cave]

Everyone that gets within the purple circle is within range of the HMGs. (Not past the Pink line) but that also moves based on the path.

[violet wharf]

So we'll be exposed to less hmg fire with a path like this?

[fluid cave]

Focus the one you want. If you can't target it you'll end up hitting the other one

[fluid cave]

Not really. We always get hit by those 2 HMGs. Just ignore them this turn

[violet wharf]

what im thinking too

[fluid cave]

I just want to land on the PV instantly. before I get into range of those HMGs

[violet wharf]

pv? im not really that knowledgeable on acronyms

[tough jay]

Primo Victorum

the Battleship

[violet wharf]

ah right lol

[covert palm]

Hm how should i justify in RP not being here for the next 3 turns....

[fluid cave]

What are you manning this turn?

[covert palm]

autocannon

[fluid cave]

Back blast knocked you out

Ammo detonation also works

[violet wharf]

or dropped a shell on yourself (or one got knocked around and fell)

[edgy harbor]

Primo Victoria*
Victorium is the name of the task force

[lyric turret]

Could just be on damage control

[rapid sorrel]

Chimichanga break

[zealous palm]

I thought an orbital just needed LS to resupply fighters/bombers, not that it used it up

[covert palm]

it spends 1 LS to gain the ability to resupply any number of fighters/bombers for 2 turns

[zealous palm]

ah I see, just reread the rules

hum, wonder if Cobalt could fill up on small supplies when the LS is used, and then divy it up for 5 more reloads two turns later

ok I'm home now, and starting to check out orders, and map them all to the map, I'll focus on orbitals right now, to give the bomber/fighter flights time to recalculate

@edgy harbor @old hill both of you are currently tracked to being comms intercept for the frigate, do one of you want to retarget the comms intercept?

[edgy harbor]

Is there anything else to target? Isn't the battlecruiser already being targeted?

[zealous palm]

yes and no lol, both of you are targeting the frigate, one of you CAN target the BC

I'm targeting the BC for scanner, and SonofSkz on teh Aviary is tarveting the Friagte for Scanner

[edgy harbor]

-# I feel too lazy to change my order-

[zealous palm]

just copy paste, and change frigate to Battelcruiser, and remove the location part

[keen yacht]

I’m also hitting the BC with an AC gun, going to blow that up!!!

[zealous palm]

RP : Kael looks over to Hose, "Were supposed to be targeting the Torrmentor, not the unnamed Friagte, that's the rest of the fleet's problem"

[rapid sorrel]

Any chance of the portside of PV getting a shot in?

[zealous palm]

If you faced NE, maybe, but not strait north

but that would turn the starboard out of line

[rapid sorrel]

Noted

[zealous palm]

if you turn NNE, like TF2 is facing, then the starboard will still be in line, and the port might be able to hit the frigate if it moves into 4016

ok, looks like all the guns are manned minus the starboard on PV, and the two Fore on Exodia

@torpid gate @coarse oxide @rare lantern You still have to put in orders for Exodia

[fluid cave]

I could, but we couldn't repair them unless we grab our engineer.
Plus we need to be in supply anyways to reload ship weapons.

[zealous palm]

@teal rampart You still have to put in orders for Aurorae

@neat loom you still have orders for PV

[neat loom]

Yes

Looking into how to do that

[zealous palm]

all other crew/infantry has put in ordres

[edgy harbor]

Well, if the other intercept doesn't change their orders I guess I will... eventually

[rapid sorrel]

The only thing I think can be crewed on PV is the port cannons, and there isn't much for them to do

[zealous palm]

the pinned comment in this channel has the copy paste order format, copy paste that, and put replace what's missing with what you need, you can look at Yakove, ALX2079, Teej, Masakari, or Logans for examples

having atleast the MBC crewed on port might be useful, or he could dig in, for anti boarder support like Random did

If the frigate moves around us, or the fighters chase the civilians, the port side could blast them

ok, wow, so the PV when it's the correct size, is big enough that nothing larger then a cruiser can share a hex with it easily

there's the current setup for orbitals, and stuff, orbital outlines are not correct colors yet, I'll need to go up and find where I was told your preferences, unless you guys want to edit it onto the excel sheet for me

[teal rampart]

What action could I do? Should I just type in Hold? I kinda don't have anything I could do right now

[quasi crown]

@zealous palm I just updated the sheet

[zealous palm]

you can crew PV hopping a ride with Cobalt, and man one of their guns, or hold for now, on PV both Port guns need to be manned

[covert palm]

man the primo victoria is big

[zealous palm]

yes, yes it is

[zealous palm]

updated where, with what? I pulled in the last 3-4 orders that were missing

[quasi crown]

The orders, I udated the sheet with the new ones

[zealous palm]

lol

[quasi crown]

oh, well there was a mistake on one, the brawler is the frigate

[zealous palm]

we both might have been doing that

[quasi crown]

There are only 11 orders missing currently

[fluid cave]

It turns out we can just transfer ships

No need for me to shuttle unless it's between TFs

[zealous palm]

good good

[quasi crown]

I think eleven people in 24 hours is easy, especially since I have seen at least 2 of them be active.

Open Gun list
PV Port MBC & AC
Exodia Fore MBC & AC

[zealous palm]

we also need all fighters and bombers to verify their orders, since there was supposed to be a redirection?

Updated Map, with all Firing Orders, Scanning Orders, and Comms orders added in

[quasi crown]

On the final map we should have movement arrows for the 3 BCs

To show they move to 4218 and then 4217

[zealous palm]

ok, map saved and closed on TTS, as for arrows, cant do that on TTS easily, I might have to make some using shapes

same with all the fighters and bombers

you miight be able to, but I don't know, I'll hit up Ixem about how

[quasi crown]

Also want to include Hose's broadcast

[zealous palm]

@winter token do you know how to make lines, and arrows and stuff in TTS, or do I need to pull the final image into paint for that?

Yah I'll have to add that in, once he resubmitts his ordres, if he's swapping from Brawler to Tormentor

[lyric juniper]

Custom arrow tokens is how it was done C3

[zealous palm]

ok, ill have to download, or make some of those

[lyric juniper]

kinda annoying to work with, but overall pretty easy to measure if you scale them to one movement's distance

[rapid sorrel]

It's the chimichanga parties

Fried burritos pack on a lot of weight

[zealous palm]

ok, I'm taking a break Cael, check back later tonight and see if the last of the spots have been filled gun wise, and finalize the text box for the Orbitals, and start placing the fighter's at the endpoints + torpedo symbols if their not under 2 distance, which I dont think they will be

ping me if you need me

[edgy harbor]

Alrighty I've changed targets to the battlecruiser

[edgy harbor]

RP: *It takes some time for Hose to process the fact he is being talked to, he was far too focused listening to music whilst drawing chimichanga related propaganda*
"Huh? You say something?"
"...oh, just noticed that the rest of the fleet is dealing with that frigate and so I'm guessing it's gonna be dead soon, but no one's doing the battlecruiser? I'll be switching to the tormentor then, after I finish this quesadilla."

[tough jay]

Make a poll and ask the aerospace if they want to target the Frigate or Battlecruiser.

[fluid cave]

Reminder you can do what you want regardless of the poll.
This is for planning and for the people who want to follow the group.

[edgy harbor]

It is only for aerospace units though, right?

[quasi crown]

Yeah, angel wants to know what the air groups plans are

[edgy harbor]

Ok I see

[north crown]

Jordan made that a while ago

[zealous palm]

that looks cool, the one on the sheet also looks good, but it's see though, and we need a patch like that one that's not

[keen yacht]

I love it

[sinful latch]

Can just give it a background colour, if that's the issue

[zealous palm]

it's not just the color, it's also the texure, and outline, but yah, it's a good base

main reason I'm saying it, is if you look in the Tac-Com:comms channel, you see every other unit is using true patch style ones

[quasi crown]

Thoughts?

[sinful latch]

I like it, but it's up to the group

[quasi crown]

I trimmed off the background, that should be a bit better

[halcyon spire]

ooo that's nice.

[zealous palm]

THAT'S IT

[quasi crown]

Well, its just a a submission with Jordan's art, if anyone else has submissions we can run a poll

[edgy harbor]

God that is magnificent, I do have an idea though that could perhaps elevate it, what if you implemented laurels into the design? Like perhaps making them the outline? (Would that be possible?)

[quasi crown]

(I am bad at this kind of thing and that sounds beyond my meager abilities)

[edgy harbor]

(Damn, still looks awesome though)

[quasi crown]

Hey guys, I was thinking about extending an olive branch to Atlas, they are talking about burning an LS to reach the planet quicker to help Storm out. Would you all be interested in giving them an LS for that?

[edgy harbor]

Yeah why not, the sooner they get into position the better it will be for the ground teams. And also the sooner the battlegroups get the situation under control the faster they can divert attention to supporting us back in space. Hell, might be a bit crazy, but imagine if we manage to get to the gate the clankers are pouring out of and manage to shut em down.

[fluid cave]

How are we going to shuttle it?

[zealous palm]

you would have to ferry it over, but that means they cant leave this turn

unless they can shuttle it with a hat, or HVTOL, but I don't think they have one

or we can offer them an IOU, for later refund

[fluid cave]

I can't start loaded with LS.
So offically I'd need to take off with one and land next turn.

[quasi crown]

Ah gotcha.

I didn't think about that.

[fluid cave]

But if we mark one down from our supplies I'm okay with a little cheese

[zealous palm]

speaking of takeoff and landing, since we don't need you to shuttle, do you want to change your order Cobalt?

[quasi crown]

Maybe an IOU? but that feels a little bad

[fluid cave]

Yeah, I probably will. No need to be in space near the HMGs

[zealous palm]

even if you could start loaded up with a LS, and could land this turn, that would either make it so they cant leave the zone, or make it so your unit becomes MIA

since you would have left the sector with them

[fluid cave]

I'm not for getting MIAed

It sounds to me like they're leaving just having checked their comms

[zealous palm]

yah, their burning 1 LS to get their in 2 turns I think, I just checked myself

[quasi crown]

Yeah, I think they are set on leaving this turn, which is great but I figured offering to help pay for the burn will help to mend the relationship

[zealous palm]

really I don't know what all the hoha was, I heard some of our guys went there, and talked in their channel after they talked about wanting to board, but from what Ixen told me 3 days ago, that plan was already nixed

[quasi crown]

Yeah... it was complicated

[fluid cave]

A lot of misunderstandings and people taking things a bit too personally on all sides

[zealous palm]

yah

[old hill]

Just got done with my D&D game. what up with Hose's and my orders

[quasi crown]

Yall are good

[zealous palm]

Hose changed his, you orignially had the same order, on the same target, for both sets of comms intercept

Voidrat Cael, when did you get that title lol

[quasi crown]

Voidrat? its my callsign lol

[zealous palm]

ohhh, like Nova is mine, makes sense

didn't pay attention to your callsign, since I knew your order was good lol

[fluid cave]

Cael's just gonna submit an order to teleport across the map and You and Shack aren't going to notice

[quasi crown]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-serialized-foiled-my-plan-ruined-my-plan-gif-19719484

[zealous palm]

I mean, if you want to take a spacewalk, I'll accept the order

[fluid cave]

Sorry Cael, just knowing what I do

[zealous palm]

if I was in my infantry unit instead of my crew, I might attemtp a teleportor boarding action myself lol

speaking of spacewalk, PAI orbital manuvering pack, allows a PAI to move in space, maybe 2 tiles, for boarding operations without a pod or VTOL

[quasi crown]

Let them use a External Mech Door

[zealous palm]

ohh yah, like jumpjets, it makes them vulnerable to fighters, and anti aerospace stuff, so it's a high risk, potentially high reward

maybe a melee upgrade that gives them plasma cutters, AP melee

real imp space trooper, or the mini gundum, idea

[quasi crown]

Or let engis have a PA upgrade for that