Car gang

[remote plume]

Ye true

[vagrant knot]

You got the tools and shit and wanna come over be my guess

Guest

I’ll assist

Can do it on the parking lot here lol

[fierce heart]

build an ultima, you need about £150 worth of tools to build one 🤣

[vagrant knot]

Nah, this tuk tuk more fun

[lost nest]

Tech is that a selfie

[vagrant knot]

Yes but he had ai mod it

He doesn’t have hair or a beard lol

[river relic]

I have 2 car shows planned in the next week. Large show on Sunday and then next Saturday I am going to a Muscle car and Corvette Nationals show.

[lost nest]

Hot. Where at

[river relic]

One is at a park, the other one next week is at a private car museum called the Gilmore Museum.

[lost nest]

Cleaned the mess of wiring up. Put in a pair of bus bars so I don't need to run 4 wires to each battery terminal. Installed the signal processor.

Now I just need to find a usb cable to hook up my laptop for this signal processor and bobs your uncle

[lost nest]

It begins. Headphone warning big time. Finally got my mic working. Might have a solution for the noise too. I bought an isolated 12v to 12v dc to dc converter. Going to try to power the android auto mirror with that. It fixed the noise I was getting on the DSP

Also hitting 110 dB in that car in that sweep. Should be more than enough for top down highway driving, but I guess I'll see.

[stable olive]

I got this recommended
https://youtu.be/AaTi9KPxCwo

[vagrant knot]

I have coworkers send me vids of a guy on insta/tiktok who put a motorcycle behind a tuk tuk

And one who put a hyabusa in one

[river relic]

Left for a car show at 5::30am this morning and didn't get back till 5:30pm. Long but fun day, 800+cars.

[lost nest]

Damn. Not even the isolated converter solves the issue with the Android auto noise. If anything it's worse

[lost nest]

110 dB Sultans of Swing.

and I just realized audio zoom is enabled on my phone too

[remote plume]

That is because dc dc buck/boost converters are the lowest quality shit you can get. They're shit cheap and only do exactly what they're supposed to.

As said before - since your voltage spikes are in regular intervals, use capacitors as a noise filter!!

[lost nest]

It's a victron.

And it did fix the issue for the dsp

And caps didn't fix it either. That was the first thing tried.

[remote plume]

Yeah it can't just be any caps, they need to be chosen for the frequency I think I lined it out how to do that when I first mentioned it

[lost nest]

Its not just one frequency though. It's a combination of static, a whine, and high pitch clicks.

[remote plume]

I've seen the graph, it looked repeating to me (though multiple frequencies on top of each other)

[remote plume]

For each of the frequency, you use a separate RC circuit which will filter out all of them, if you put them all in series

[lost nest]

It would be easier to buy a 100w 120v pure sine wave inverter and plug in a USB charger than do all that.

Which I'm also not going to do lol

[remote plume]

Except it might be possible that the USB-charger would give you another crappy signal

My solution is like $10 in parts with about an hour of soldering, together with half an hour of planning

[lost nest]

If you know what you're doing sure.

Feel free to come do it

[lost nest]

It already works perfectly when powered from AC mains to USB outside of the car.

[remote plume]

I won't do the soldering but I would provide you with plans for how to do it and what to do

[lost nest]

I'd pay 10x that for a drop in solution.

[remote plume]

I just said might depending on the quality of the USB charger xD

[lost nest]

I could build and solder it but I can't be bothered

[remote plume]

So you gotta live with crappy audio or pay 10x xD

[lost nest]

I just said I'm fine with that.

I don't need to use that for audio

If you want to make some bucks, do it up. I'll pay for materials and shipping and if it works I'll give you many dollars more.

Also I have an urge to build a racing sim rig now

[remote plume]

Since I don't have an exact signal to probe and also no access to multiple frequency generators I sadly do not feel confident enough to accept any money for it but if you'd give me more information (oscilloscope screenshots of multiple scenarios that might manipulate the noise) I would gladly run som simulations and calculations on how to fix said noise

I can only work with the data I have tho

[remote plume]

Might be able to whip something up in like 2 weeks

[lost nest]

Nothing I've done so far changes the noise measured.

If I get motivated I'll grab some readings.

[remote plume]

Make sure to also include something like noise depending on rpm (do an rpm sweep and take a vid of the readings)

[vagrant knot]

I really gotta get a new light bar

And then also just silicone it

[remote plume]

Ye, make it as watertight as possible, most lightbars I heard of just fail due to water ingress

Or maybe you can find light bars with IP68 certification?

[vagrant knot]

Well it isn’t one to light

But one that’s like strobe warning

But I also needda get a light bar for winters as dark

Imma change the bulbs to led

But haven’t gone around to do such yet

[lost nest]

Turns out using a decent BT adapter with this mirror solves the noise issue entirely.

Sound quality takes a hit running it through the mirror though. I might axe the entire thing and then the issue is moot. Just use my phone for navigation and audio.

[remote plume]

Ohh god this is king of jank tier xD

[lost nest]

Nah I don't have that much incentive to use android auto.

It's nothing the phone itself doesn't already do

[remote plume]

Well yeah but an adapted interface which makes everything much easier. Also it supports potential steering wheel buttons xD

[lost nest]

Which aren't a thing at all in my 1991 car. The sole value is the slightly easier interface, and it's very slight.

[manic lark]

I do have to say as someone who owns a base trim 1996 car, going to a top trim 2005 is nice

[lost nest]

my truck is a 2012 lol

got all the buttons, and with my new stereo they all work

also my android auto mirror would never support the buttons anyways since its chinese junk, not a stereo

[manic lark]

Subaru in 2005 still didn't believe in aux ports though, so you still gotta spend $250 on a custom bezel, plus the cost of a new radio if you want aux, let alone bt, usb, micro sd, android auto, etc.

My only issue radio wise is previous owner cheaped out on a single din radio to go in a double din bezel, so there's a massive gap where you can see all the wiring and stuff

[lost nest]

My differential is finished. 425 bucks

[vagrant knot]

Not bad

But i assume it helps u dissasembled it and put it back together urself?\

All he had to was weld and coat it right?

[lost nest]

The welding was free.99 and I painted it myself

[vagrant knot]

Ah

Nice

[vagrant knot]

Nice]

[lost nest]

Yeah they rust converted the housing

[hollow knoll]

Pretty sure the hitch alone exceeds the allowable tongue weight for that car.

Must be why you went with aluminum.

[lost nest]

Well considering that's technically zero. Yes.

Otherwise it's 200 lbs

[bronze gulch]

ive seen it done with a mini uhall trailer in the wild

[lost nest]

I might have the aluminum bit modified to give me the clearance needed to put that tighter against the bumper

Depends how high it is when it's actually on the ground and has the trailer on it

[remote plume]

Wait why does it have a ball on the bottom? 🤔

[vagrant knot]

Two diff size ballhitch

Us likes to use so many vs europe where basically all is one size

[remote plume]

Ohhhh you can flip it around

Than the hiehgt adjust even makes sense xD

[potent flicker]

I’ve seen hitches with 3 different sizes and a clevis loop

[lost nest]

correct. I have 3 balls for it, that set comes out then a third size with just the one ball goes in. I bought it because its aluminum, its adjustable, and I can use it with my truck too.

so I got started putting the diff in today, fucked up a bolt, and realized I lost an important spacer. So now I get to wait till next week

Got the axles snapped in though. Tomorrow I'll probably button up the hubs and wheels. Then maybe Saturday finish up the trailer plug mounting.

[remote plume]

Thought the crystalline structure of aluminum makes it a bad bet for such shearing forces 🤔
afaik aluminum is strong, until it rips, steel would be flexible and more reliable in such usecases

Pls correct me if I'm wrong

[lost nest]

Rated for a lot more than my truck can pull. And steel is just as crystalline.

[bronze gulch]

It depends on the way the aluminum was made and what aluminum was used

[stable olive]

Funny fact: so called Transparent Aluminium is much much harder than aluminium 😃

[lost nest]

That's true for steel too though lol

[lost nest]

That's because it's not a metal anymore.

[stable olive]

I know, it's more a "transparent ceramic"

[lost nest]

Yeah. And neato.

[stable olive]

If I would build a vehicle and had unlimited money, I would use it as my windows

[bronze gulch]

very there are steels that are about as pliable as rope prior to heat treatment as wells as ones that take hours to make simple cuts in

[lost nest]

Ah yes. Clearance.

[lost nest]

New mud flaps who dis

[vagrant knot]

Hunk of metal that doesnt move]

[lost nest]

The only thing I'm waiting on is one bolt and it'll move.

[vagrant knot]

But u dont have it

For now its big brick

[lost nest]

I technically do have the bolt and could put it in. It's just got chewed up threads.

[vagrant knot]

Big brick

[lost nest]

At least I have a big brick to work on

[vagrant knot]

I have small brick that could be worked on

It doesnt need it

[lost nest]

And a solution in sight.

And while it's been down its gotten a bunch of upgrades

[vagrant knot]

Hehe

Id like to upgrade mine with a motorcycle engine but that requires so much work and experience and a spcae i dont got any of that

[lost nest]

You know mine might be not drivable for the next week but you keep saying you're want to do all these mods. Where are the mods taxman? Where are the mods?!

Trailer wiring done.

[vagrant knot]

As i said

I gt no experience and all

Did add a roof box it didnt come with from factory

Orther models did

Plus i upgraded the engine

[lost nest]

You get experience by doing it.

[vagrant knot]

All that be done by the shop

I could of done the engine work but i didnt have right tools, but if i where to engine swap that means lots of welding, designing a frame, swapping over a motorcycle and lots of electrical work

[lost nest]

I didn't have tools

I bought them

[vagrant knot]

Plus making sure it stays road legal, altough i would register it as a car before hand

U have a garage i dont

Kind of a must for usch a projct

[lost nest]

Rent a storage unit

[potent flicker]

*space

[vagrant knot]

Pricey

[stable olive]

I want to build a vehicle, but I am poor and large storage units are very expensive

[vagrant knot]

Yeah its easily 150 a month

Plus welder and tools for such project id be out a grand, buying a used but not broken motorcycle is antoher few k

Metal and the likes

Plus as no experiecne its gnna be involving costly mistakes that will happen

[stable olive]

For me that's a 3m×4m

[vagrant knot]

Probz same here

Wel ,bit longer

[stable olive]

I need a space that's at least 4m×12m

[vagrant knot]

Thats not common in garage boxes

Ud better be off buying two in line and just tear the wall out lol

Altough i know some n rotterdam that got that

[vagrant knot]

Did u widen the rear or smth

Or bigger tires?

Just seems so wide

[stable olive]

I know, but Campers usually aren't that large either🙃

[vagrant knot]

Well tbf theyre usually stored in old warehouses or green houses

But u got a camper project or smth u wokring on

?

[stable olive]

I want to build my own 1, my original plan was by starting off buying something 2nd hand like the Rosenbauer 6x6s, but I would be happy with a bus as well.

[lost nest]

Neither.

[stable olive]

I want to build it into a big camper, that has the ability to go off-road

[lost nest]

In fact the mud flaps are narrower than the tires slightly

[vagrant knot]

Id say get a old daf or smth from the military and buy a box of a box truck from those cooler ones, shorten it and use the cuts to fill in the cooling units hjole and that type of crap

They do that to lots of old dafs u see, they just have a box of a cooling truck on thats cut and adjusted and then windwos fitted and such

[river relic]

Went to another car show today, this time at a car museum.
Yes, those are 2 all original 1969 Road Runners.
And the Mustang in the museum is a 1 of 1 1967 Shelbly GT500 convertable with the Mustang behind it being the only protype 1968 Shelby GT500.

[stable olive]

I want something that isn't too old, or a literal truck.
We have them enough here but most have more than 1.5 million kilometre on the counter, I am not gonna trust that easily.

I also want to make it electric, so the more aerodynamic it is the better, and trucks are literally less aerodynamic than an old airport firetruck or a bus.

[vagrant knot]

But either way u need a c license so might as well buy a big truck

Well tbf u can rebuild the engine if u gona buy a truck

But ive seen plenty of old dafs that didnt look the best some but plenty decent on auctions but also plenty of part batches being sold, that had like under 50k

They been running scania for a while now so old dafs and shit being yeeted out but plenty of those who didnt get much service

Anyways, why not buy a old ambulance

[stable olive]

I can buy an old Rosenbauer 6x6 for that price, and it's already off-road capable.

[vagrant knot]

I sure theres some sold here used or in germany thats a 4x4 version sprinter

So are those dafs tough, thats the thing, and 4wheels cheaper than 6xd

[stable olive]

6 wheels are cool, I like the rule of cool, I prefer 8x8, but those are too wide.
And with trucks, they rarely have anything more than 4 wheel drive.
I usually see 6x2, 6x4, 8x4, 8x2, airport firetrucks are by default 4x4, 6x6 or 8x8.
I don't have to convert half of the drive train, which I prefer.

[vagrant knot]

Tbf, it sucks we dont got 5tons like the us military

Those are a perfect base as u can literally throw on a 20foot container with some modifications and make it into a tiny home

If i where u id look for like a command truck or ambulance one

As those have a solid box already

Command ones might have slideouts tough

[stable olive]

Like I said, I want as aerodynamic as possible, not a litteral wall like majority of trucks.
And the drive train is important to me as I want to be able to go over very rough terrain.

[vagrant knot]

Well with what u want if u want like some aerodynamics there isnt much i believe military wise as thats what your more looking into

But with the size of those i assume its all gonna be c license so why not just import some from us for instance

As those got a big nose vs mostly flat

[stable olive]

@vagrant knot this is what I mean with more aerodynamic.
And visibility is amazing in these things.

[lost nest]

aerodynamic.
weighs 10 tons.

Kek

[vagrant knot]

To be fair

[stable olive]

They weight a lot less without equipment, less than 5 tons actually.

[vagrant knot]

If you can gut the inside without ruining the outside, and build a floor it can work, i mean plenty of firetrucks that get the inside gutted, floor build and done, but that thing no matter what u win with aerodynamic is one heavy brick that your better of puttng wheels on a bungalow and driving that

Plus good luck getting one of those

Bigger airports retire and usually they be sold to different airports and such or oversea

Why not look towards germany for a old mercedes, i believe germany has lots of 4x4 cars they use in fd

[stable olive]

Ever driven through snow?
More wheels you have the better.

[vagrant knot]

Well old 4x4 mercedes dually?

Plus the germans might not all but lots there have the on the move chain system with push of button it starts spinning a motor with chains so u have on demand trie chains so to say

[stable olive]

And who says you always have a tree strong enough to pull you out?

[vagrant knot]

Well you can get just as stuck with a 6x6 as with a 4x4 van

Ya never know, just cause its a bigger truck doesnt mean its always better tough

Thats what im trying t say

[stable olive]

The chance is smaller though, and the Panther 6x6s are actually not that big, smaller than a city bus actually, seen 1 in person sadly enough.

[vagrant knot]

Yes it might be smaller but if u equip the van with a winch and some good tow hooks then your quite capable still

[stable olive]

Ideally I would love to build my camper from the ground up, making an 8x8 with 4 axle steering to have more control over the cornering of the vehicle.

[vagrant knot]

Tf u plan on taking it tough

[stable olive]

Anywhere I want to go, I rather want to be prepared than not.
Although I rather want to be near the northern part of the planet, so any kinda grip and directional control is helpful.
Besides electric drive train can do some wacky stuff.

[vagrant knot]

Well i feel a 8x8 will be too bg tough for most places

Any chance u watch diesel dave on youtube?

He has a big hempt i think

5axle 5x5

[stable olive]

Not if you use 4 axle steering, then you can make turns sharper than a small hatchback.

[lost nest]

5x5

[vagrant knot]

Put big tires on it and a container on back

[lost nest]

So it has 5 tires

[stable olive]

I don't want to go combustion, I literally want to stay away from that.

[vagrant knot]

He put really big air tires on it once as he had to go in a lake bed that was soggy as frick to recover something but that got plentyo f potentioal

Electric?

[stable olive]

Yes, battery powered, charged by home/public charger or by the sun.

[vagrant knot]

That thing will sit for a week charging on solar and wont make it for that far, especially offroad as that thing with where u wanna go needs lot of power

[stable olive]

It's better offroad as it has near instant throttle control and per wheel control.
Also electric has tons and tons of power from the get go without build up, something combustion doesn't have.

[vagrant knot]

The size and what u want i feel hybrid youd be better of

[stable olive]

Hydrogen hybrid, I don't want to go with fossil fuels.

[vagrant knot]

Yeah but it will require quite some battery banks for it and to charge it of solar in the wild and whatnot, and such

[stable olive]

Who says I am in a hurry, I never hurry, if I have to wait a week, I will wait a week, if I have to hunt for food, I will hunt for it.

[stable olive]

I hope by the time I can build my dream camper solid state batteries are already a thing.

[lost nest]

Found a spacer. Have a local guy with the bolt I need. Just need to connect with him an this car can be on the road tomorrow.

[lost nest]

Need the camper and the car ready for next weekend.

[potent flicker]

Hell yeah!

[lost nest]

Also I'm pretty sure I can fit my big freezer/fridge inside here with a single side of the bed in place. Which means I can have ice and everything if I go out solo

Just need to figure out a way to secure it somehow

Maybe a sheet of plywood side to side under the bed and a front/rear 2x4 to brace it that way.

Or maybe I go balls out and put tie downs in the floor

[potent flicker]

Why not just go with a cooler or a dometic?

[lost nest]

... that's what it is lmao

[potent flicker]

You said “big freezer” and I imagined a chest freezer

[lost nest]

It's a iceco specifically that has a nice Danfoss compressor. Roughly 20 watt average power draw and I have one side set to like 20F and the other at 39F

It is relatively large

But I also have a smaller single zone one

[potent flicker]

Oh nice

[lost nest]

Yeah it's the cats ass. I have a roughly 80ah battery pack i built that I run that on for day trips

Both sides can be set to any temperature I want.

So two freezers, two fridges, large side or small side freezer, whatever.

The smaller one I have is a "3 in 1" which means it's got a compressor but I can also fill it with ice if I lose power somehow. I use that one usually for the day stuff since it's pretty rare I ever need to freeze anything.

[lost nest]

It lives again.

[deft musk]

I see an issue with your Miata... It's not red :p

Joke aside, yay it lives

[fierce heart]

They’re not all rust rotted!

[vagrant knot]

The driver is tough

[lost nest]

Yes

[lost nest]

Gave up on the retrosound stereo. Once again I shut the car off and it stayed powered on and killed the battery.

[remote plume]

You know that the radios usually have a cable input which delivers the main power for it that turns of with the ignition off?
There's also one thats always hot for retaining time and settings

[lost nest]

Yes this is not my first rodeo. I'm the one who installed it.

All those wires function fine. The ignition wire shuts off with the key every time. The radio however, at random, does not.

This also was not an issue with the ancient Blaupunkt unit that was in there when I bought it.

Whatever they are using to sense the ignition wire to determine if it should be on or off is not reliable.

Every so often the thing locks up, reboots, and then resets all the settings too.

[stable olive]

I know someone with that problem, they just constantly disconnect the cable from the battery when not driving

[remote plume]

Ohh thats weird...

[remote plume]

Maybe there's inductive currents or the ignition wire goes disconnected instead of to ground
sounds like a shitty radio tho

[potent flicker]

RVing in 2023 where the camper is always larger than the tow vehicle

[lost nest]

The size is very misleading on weight unless you've got a decently educated idea of what that is.

[vagrant knot]

It’s bigger than your car

[lost nest]

That's what she said.

[vagrant knot]

Did she also say you barely fit in it?

[lost nest]

Yes

[remote plume]

I need to replace my clutch but I can't really decide on what to go with...

[lost nest]

Stock power = oem clutch.

[remote plume]

For reference: Hyndai Coupe GK GLS 2.0 (G4GC motor) 5 speed manual with 200NM but I want to go boost in the future
Found some (seemingly fitting, 215mm) Clutch Kits via Autodoc:

• Oyodo 120€
• SACHS 146€
• AISIN 116€

Anything special to consider? Internet kinda unhelpful on the clutch specs like torque or material...

[remote plume]

Yes but which manufacturer etc?

Found this in my workshop manual

[lost nest]

I just buy "oe spec", rather than call the dealer and pay their prices.

[remote plume]

Yeah but which one should I choose? They are all "oe spec"

I want the "best" "oe spec" that still has a good / reasonable price

[lost nest]

I'd go with exedy

[remote plume]

Any particular reaason?

[lost nest]

They are pretty much the top brand in clutches.

Lots of manufacturers use their stuff for the original part. Including Mazda

[remote plume]

Alright, good enuff for me >:)

[potent flicker]

@lost nest LS swap when?

[vagrant knot]

uh, isnt that a twin engine?

[potent flicker]

Why stop at one?

[fierce heart]

cause there are better options!

[potent flicker]

1 mediocre + 1 mediocre = good

Right?

Right

[stable olive]

EVs usually have 2 "engines", sometimes more

[lost nest]

Now accepting 5 figure donations.

[vagrant knot]

fuck evs, thats a car with twin engines

[vagrant knot]

ive seen lawnmowers with 4engines

[potent flicker]

That’s the spirit

[fierce heart]

iirc single motor EVs are more common in sales

[lost nest]

That's a hot wheels car

That someone made for real

[stable olive]

Not overhere, most common EV are the Polestar 2 Long Range and Tesla Model 3 Long Range.

[stable olive]

Yes, and it's awesome

[fierce heart]

Last time I checked in Nissan leaf was the most popular electric car because it’s been on the market, the longest… but it’s always changing

[stable olive]

I haven't seen a Leaf in 2 years now, even the Zoe is more common here

[fierce heart]

i never see leafs… but model 3 are rare beasts it’s mostly model S, etron GTs and porshe tycans

around here

[stable olive]

I forgot the Q4 E-tron and E-tron, those are also very common here, the performance models that is

[fierce heart]

nope no high-end suvs around here

[lost nest]

I didn't want such an obvious stereo but alas. The retrosounds one is terribly unreliable.

[lost nest]

Loose belt on the AC. Squealing like a pig. Fixed.

[hollow knoll]

My motorhome's AC is losing its cool now.

R12 system. grumbles.

[lost nest]

Rip

[hollow knoll]

One of my other cars is actually a very similar system (1990 Cadillac) to the motorhome (1992 Chevy G30 van), and I actually did a proper retrofit on it to r134, but even that stuff's not kosher anymore... Of course, I still have a probably 2/3 full cylinder of that, so that might be what I have to do.

It's just more pain in the ass than I want to deal with right now.

[lost nest]

Miata kid in a group bout the 134A AC recharge kit from auto zone and put it into a 1992 miata that's intended for R12.

The 134a will destroy all of his orings over time.

Save a dollar up front to spend $500 later.

[vagrant knot]

Isn’t that how most do it

[lost nest]

yeah its fine with a newer car that uses 134a

[remote plume]

AC recharge kit? whats that used for..? 🤔 All those terms sound electrical, yet you said something mechanical will fail. can you elaborate?

[deft musk]

AC as in air-conditioning

The refrigerant tends to need refilling after a while, known as recharging.

[vagrant knot]

Well no, that be refilling

[remote plume]

Ohhhhhhh uhhh ahhh the gas is 134a but older compressors might go bad with the newer stuff

[hollow knoll]

r134 won't work with the mineral oil that would be in an r12 system, and the common PAG oil used with r134's chemically incompatible with something I don't remember.

Proper retrofit minimally is system flush to remove all old oil, probably accumulator/receiver-drier replacement, new oil and charge.
In my specific case, I'd use a POE oil, and I'd also need to get an orifice tube with a slightly larger orifice. O-rings I'm not sure on, but it doesn't hurt to do if you're opening up the whole system.

I know what to do, I just don't want to because it's a pain in the ass.

[hollow knoll]

Adding more refrigerant to an AC system is frequently referred to as charging / recharging.

[lost nest]

I told him he made a mistake doing that then he stopped replying to everyone lol

[upbeat zenith]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[river relic]

I mean, if your not worried about a potential explosion, you could use propane for refrigerant. It will literally create snow in your vents.

Please don't actually do this/ I have seen it done but whoa boy its very dangerous.

[hollow knoll]

R290 is definitely a thing. In the quantities used it probably isn't a substantial danger, but it is still very illegal for use in an automotive application.
Tin foil hat on here: It's illegal because there's no nice fat juicy patent on it like there has been on many of the other commonly used refrigerants.

[lost nest]

probably

a small leak in a couple ounces of the stuff is hardly a danger compared to a full fuel tank

[hollow knoll]

Yep. And considering LPG cars are legal, a pound or two in an AC system shouldn't scare anyone.

Still quite illegal though

[river relic]

I should clarify, the way I've seen it done is homebrew style. Which I really don't recommend.

[bronze gulch]

the new R1234 is a close relative of propane

[deft musk]

Turns out hydrocarbons make pretty good refrigerants

Even better if you mix them with other things (when you want to go really cold)

[remote plume]

Most refrigerants are banned in usecases prone to puncture because of their huge climate impact.
Many of them behave like oil to water but in the atmosphere, creating huge ozone holes

If the gas is explosive, well theres your reason xD

[hollow knoll]

Propane has zero ozone impact, and insignificant climate impact in the quantities we're talking about.

[stable olive]

It's mostly artificial chemicals that have an effect on the Ozone

[remote plume]

Which is, why I infact, excluded explosive (flammable) gases from this information 🤔

[lost nest]

Well. Here we go.

Monster truck miata coming soon.

[vagrant knot]

lmao lift kit?

now put a diesel tank enigne in it

[lost nest]

Too heavy

Finally found the subwoofer box I needed in stock. No idea if it'll actually work.

[manic lark]

Hell yeah, lifted miatas are my favorite miatas

[remote plume]

Hey, is this lifter tick or should I be concerned? Always been there afaik, car was driven warm in this recording

this is it on a cold start in 30°C weather

[lost nest]

Absolutely no way to tell that from audio alone

Sounds a bit like lifters but I wouldn't bet my money on a discord diagnosis.

[bronze gulch]

R1234YF the R134a replacement has this in its SDS

now odds are propane is more damaging and flammable then R1234YF is but the question is by how much

[remote plume]

hmm aight - I'll find out if it explodes or when I do a rebuild before I put in a turbo - whatever comes first!

[remote plume]

is this used often in automotive usecases or stationary HVAC systems?

[hollow knoll]

1234YF is standard in most automotive since 2019 or so, I think.

[remote plume]

Hmmm okay... can't explain that...

1234YF is better for the environment with a lower Global Warming Potential while 134a, is a greenhouse gas that is as harmful as carbon dioxide. Still, 134a was an improvement on R12 which has a staggering GWP of nearly 11,000 while 134a brought that number down to 1430.

https://strutdaddys.com/2079-2/

[stable olive]

So weird, CO2 is both highly flammable and can extinguish fires😃

[hollow knoll]

That article appears to be machine generated or otherwise garbage

I've read a quarter of it and feel I'm losing brain cells as I go.

[stable olive]

Just remember, a gas used to extinguish flames for decades, is highly flammable

[hollow knoll]

Yeah, it's just a bunch of words strung together in a roughly syntactically valid order.

[remote plume]

ohh I've immediatly scrolled down some and it kinda checked out

[hollow knoll]

If that article told me water was wet, I would doubt it.

[stable olive]

Water actually doesn't have to be wet😃

[lost nest]

C02 is not flammable wtf lol

It explicitly is not flammable and will not burn under almost any circumstances other than if you split the molecule.

Or if you atomically combine it with hydrogen to turn it back into what is essentially gasoline.

Oh I see. That fuckin stupid article lol

[stable olive]

I was taking the piss of the article

[lost nest]

yeah I read it after the fact lol

[stable olive]

I know it's not flammable, we use it to quickly sub-zero freeze shit.

And it's also used in some of our fire extinguisher systems

[manic lark]

@lost nest fb marketplace be like

Ngl though, if i had fuck you money, i'd get an NC miata in that color

[remote plume]

..why does the roof look so goofy? 😂

[manic lark]

That's just NA (1st gen) miata hard tops for ya

The car was made to be a convertible, hardtop was an option iirc

[vagrant knot]

Unlike Mercedes’ who came out with a hardtop soft too from the get go

Downside is most that run soft top is old and not used as much so it’s a pain in the ass to get it to close on to the front window 😂

[fierce heart]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[lost nest]

I have a hard top for mine.

They're stupid expensive in the US because of the spec miata racers. I think they're required to have the hard top.

Either that or it's just so much lighter than the soft top that they all want it.

[lost nest]

NC worst miata.

[manic lark]

NC best miata.

[lost nest]

Nope. Overweight land whale of a car.

Might as well be a charger.

[manic lark]

As someone who drives a turbocharged wagon, weight does not bother me

[lost nest]

No point in owning a miata if that's the case though. Just buy a C5 Corvette for 12k

Or if you have fuck you money a C6, 7, or 8.

My only issue with the c6 was an inability to do less than double the speed limit.

[manic lark]

Nah i just really like how it looks

[lost nest]

Rx8tho

Actually the rear door shit ruins that car.

Also I feel like that's modded

Oh yeah it is. Big time.

They look way doofier stock

Similarly modded na but with a wing

That nc do be cool though

[bronze gulch]

what does NC stand for?

[lost nest]

Just a model designation that comes from the VIN.

[lost nest]

Note the NB in this example

So with that mine is... JM1NA352xM...... something.

And it was built in the second half of the year because it's a long nose crank

[bronze gulch]

ahh that makes sense

[vagrant knot]

Or it is cause all the soft tops are shit

[lost nest]

Soft tops cost a fuck ton less than the hard top

You can get a decent vinyl one for a couple hundred dollars. You can get a cheap bikini top for like a hundred

[manic lark]

Yeah, anyone who wants a 2005 legacy gt wagon pretty much has to get a limited trim version which is another 200+lbs, cause way more people bought the higher trim limited than the lower trim unlimited. I know 200lbs on a 4 door wagon isn't nearly as important as 200lbs on a roadster, but it still sucks.

Sunroof, heated seats, power mirrors, under-seat subs, nothing performance.

But granted the car was about $30k in 2005 money

[lost nest]

Well for the miata is the same ass car they just pull 4 bolts and throw the soft top in the trash.

But it can't be more than a couple pounds savings. Both seem to weigh the same to me, so there must be a spec requirement.

[manic lark]

A hard top is probably safer

[lost nest]

It's plastic bullshit vs a steel frame on the soft one so idk about that

[manic lark]

Ah, i didn't know lmao

[lost nest]

Yeah there's not much to it

I can put the hard top on by myself and I'm a chump these days

Note the hard top hanging up there

[manic lark]

Yeah, as always the weight is in the glass

[lost nest]

Yep

[manic lark]

Hence the sunroof options always being heavier on cars with them

I doubt i'll ever actually use mine either

It becomes a greenhouse super quickly with the cover open and the glass itself closed

Considering the rest of the car is a fishbowl

Visibility is the best i've ever been in with those subaru wagons

[deft musk]

And sunroofs like leaking

[manic lark]

And otherwise just breaking

On mine, it has two sections of glass. The front section is supposed to come up, and the back section slides back. The front is stuck down.

Though tbf in the case of sunroofs, extra weight also has to be afforded to make up for the structural integrity loss the opening provides

[lost nest]

I had a black corvette with a transparent roof. Nothing I've ever owned since is as hot as that car was.

[vagrant knot]

But the steel one probably buckles in versus the hard top has some structural bits so it won’t buckle upside down, but most likely it’s for flying debris soft top it gets ripped trough easier than the hard top

[lost nest]

The hard top has zero structural bits.

That last point is probably the reason though.

[vagrant knot]

But in a roll over on its roof I bet the soft top crushes and buckled while hard top not much

As solid piece that spreads the weight

[lost nest]

Hard top flattens too

It's junk for that

They need to have roll cages regardless

[vagrant knot]

Surprised they don’t have a bar behind the seat

Most older cars even with soft top hard top combo had a structural bar so even if you’d crash it’s like a structural bit combined with the window pillar that’s teinforced so it doesn’t fold and crush you if you land upside down

Did see a Miata a while back with roll cage, seems that didn’t have a roof possible to fit

[lost nest]

Most roll cages will fit under the soft or hard tops.

The miata windshield can't support the car in a rollover so it's very safe like that. As long as you don't mind being flattened into your seat.

The new ones have all that rollover protection.

Old ones we die like men.

Unnecessarily and over something stupid.

[lost nest]

PACO PARTS ARE HERE.
But my back hurts so nah.

[deft musk]

Which of y'all are trying to power a pc with your exhaust spinnymajigs?

[fierce heart]

I think someone has misunderstood turbo boost technology!

[lost nest]

Supposed to be 90F and 90% humidity later. Rip plans to work in the garage.

[hollow knoll]

I'm going to cross post this over in the cave, but, I think these plugs were SLIGHTLY overdue.

[lost nest]

Bit of wire brushing, they will be good for another 100k

[bronze gulch]

a bit?

[deft musk]

Just run some sandpaper between the electrodes, and then finely adjust the gap with your finest gap adjuster

She'll be good for another 100k after that

[bronze gulch]

there are cars with Iridum plugs that have half that recommended service interval

[manic lark]

Pretty sure subaru EJ's are that or less

Also those spark plugs take a very skilled hand to get out. Or many hours swearing at them.

Or pulling the engine.

[lost nest]

Ford plugs automatically eject.

[stable olive]

Or both

[manic lark]

Yeah. So the problem is that it's a boxer engine, and the spark plug access is right up against the chassis structure, so you really have to finagle some swivel sockets in there to get to them. I'm convinced the only reason magnetic swivel spark plug sockets exist is for boxer engines.

[deft musk]

my na sg forester wasnt too bad. just needed to pull out the airbox, battery, and washer reservoir. once those were out there was decent access.

[stable olive]

Could be, all I know is the only ones with Boxers are Porsche, Subaru and BMW Motorrad.

[manic lark]

2005-09 Legacy/Outback doesn't need anything pulled out, just have to maneuver around the chassis.

[deft musk]

well I dont have a legacy... anymore. my poor 94 2.2l 😦

whacked it into a cliff face at about 80km/h (not head on)

[manic lark]

Rip

[deft musk]

apparently bounced off it twice

[manic lark]

Have you seen my legacy btw?

[deft musk]

maybe? but cant specifically remember

[manic lark]

#1050573453503242241 message

The fun part about that is i can't even normally access imgur myself anymore

[deft musk]

heh

ever plan on going to a front mount, or you happy with the top mount?

[manic lark]

Cause my adblock/privacy firefox extensions make imgur think i'm trying to ddos them, due to the spoofed info.

[manic lark]

Happy with the top mount, not doing anything more than what's on there (300hp if that)

It's an aftermarket top mount tho

Hell, if i could, i'd be replacing half the mods with oem for the sake of reliability. I just wanna drive it.

[deft musk]

fair

[manic lark]

But that costs more in the short term than going with what's on there.

Even then, i really wanna replace the (assumedly) stock turbo with one that is less likely to grenade itself, probably a vf52 just cause they're easier to find afaik.

The current thing keeping it off the road is lack of tune

Cause previous owner slapped the stage 2 bs on there and didn't know you gotta tune it

[deft musk]

stock ecu?

[manic lark]

Yeah

[deft musk]

darn. not one of those fancy learning ones then 😦

and cant do a road tune all that easily either

[manic lark]

Cheaper in the short term to just get a tune if you aren't constantly throwing new parts on.

Which i won't be doing

[manic lark]

Not myself no. Etuner's will typically allow road pulls as long as you aren't doing anything crazy

If i was doing anything more than this, i'd be getting a dyno

[deft musk]

other than than a later years wing mirrors my forester is bone stock. I really do need to sort out the extra wiring for the folding and heated mirrors though 🤔

with any luck the heated mirrors should just be a switch needing to be installed (it was available on higher trims for the year, and the wires are there in the door)

but the folders were just a later year thing iirc, and needs wires run 😦

[manic lark]

iirc mine has heated mirrors, but i could be wrong

[deft musk]

its not really needed. but I have them so I want to be able to use it 😆

[manic lark]

It'd be nice af here in northern Utah

But the heated seats are very welcome

Sunroof not so much

[deft musk]

was an accident anyway, went to the wreckers to snag a pair of mirrors since both passenger and driver housings were fubar. the glass was fine though
didnt notice I was grabbing off a later year (or jdm import, or both) until I went to install it and found the plug had more pins than the harness in the car 😆

[manic lark]

I need to go to a wrecker at some point, my grocery list is ever growing

Of just little things that aren't worth the cost to have them shipped new

[deft musk]

my big thing right now is that I need the timing belt done, and the front left wheel bearing is getting a bit tired.
aaaand im balking on the price to get it done. not stuff I am comfortable (or have tools) to do myself

especially not with how fun it is to do the timing on the EJs

[manic lark]

If i could, i'd love to snag some used shocks and struts

To replace the shitty ebay special $200 maxpeedingrods coilovers that are on there now. I'd rather have cinderblocks for suspension.

Cause this is how they are rn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491946292780728331/858882082721366066/our_racelands.mp4

[deft musk]

looks smooth

[bronze gulch]

there is a version that is so hard to get it it has its own removal kit

[lost nest]

One of my bikes has a custom tool for it.

Ford just had shit castings a few years ago that blow out the plugs out

And by few I mean like 15 years ago but whatever

[bronze gulch]

I heard about those only recently there is another ford plug that tends to leave bits of its self behind when you take it out

[lost nest]

I got this far in 2 hours. Mostly just sitting here doing nothing.

[manic lark]

The amount of times i've accidentally unironically called my 2005 legacy "a few years old" is way too much.

[manic lark]

https://youtu.be/PPkMzphYLGI

[lost nest]

Easy peasy on the rear.

[fierce heart]

what type of monster are you putting your alloy wheels face down?

[lost nest]

1: they are shit to begin with 2: the rubber sticks out further than the metal

3: they might end up replaced soon

4: they make a nice parts cup

[fierce heart]

so the type of monster that tries to defend the undefinable!

[river relic]

Another car show with the Camaro today, all Vettes and Camaros.

And somebody got a video of me driving the car into the show.
https://youtu.be/pqW2sMk-GdA?t=103

[manic lark]

@river relic you wanna see a sad sight?
https://imgur.com/gallery/WkjNjWu
https://imgur.com/gallery/Te0ZYkq

I hate that this thing is rotting away in my uncle's field, but i'm in no situation to restore it.

But afaik it's a unicorn, 73 RS Z28 with the 396 (which they stopped including as an option in 1973) and Air Conditioning (which they only started putting in with the 73 model year)

My headcanon is that due to the 1972 strike at the plant that made these, this thing sat on the line half completed with the 396, and when they went back to work, they just completed the car with 1973 specs.

[vagrant knot]

See if u can store it on a concrete pad and cover it so then gras won’t grow in it

[manic lark]

No concrete anywhere, it is literally in the middle of a field

[vagrant knot]

Cant park it on somewhere it ain’t grass? Least that should help a bit with like rust from plants growing into it and holding water

[manic lark]

Nah, click on the link and you can see the environment it's in

Not much i could do other than put a tarp over it

It's also been parked there since like 2001

If i didn't already have a project car (which is also my daily), that would be my project car, and i still want it to be one day.

But that requires a stable, good paying job, which i don't have.

I'd especially love it cause i think it'd be something my dad would love to work on with me

He tries to help with my subaru as best he can, but he doesn't understand it much. He'd know more about that Camaro than i currently do, cause he grew up working on cars from that time.

[vagrant knot]

But why don’t you move it to your place even if the daily is a project as is

Probz can do simple things on the 73 to restore or prevent more rust

[manic lark]

Don't have room, and it's not mine, i'd still have to buy it from him and even though he has no intention of restoring it himself, it still sounded like he wanted to sell it for more than pennies.

[vagrant knot]

Ah I see

[manic lark]

I might be able to convince him to just give it to me, but even if i do, i don't have anywhere to put it currently.

[stable olive]

👁️👄👁️

[lost nest]

One of these things is not like the other.

[manic lark]

I'd kill for those pneumatic car lifters

[lost nest]

They're hydraulic lol

And you don't have to kill, just fork over a couple grand to quickjack.

They've paid for themselves already though, in that I usually give a hundred bucks to a guy I know who owns an automotive shop to use his lift and tools after hours.

Look at the difference between the rear and front now.

[manic lark]

That's what i meant lmao

[manic lark]

I mean this either isn't the best angle, or i'm missing what you're talking about

[lost nest]

the front rotors are barely visble. the rear control arm is visibly several inches lower

[manic lark]

Wait do you mean the lift?

Ah

Yeah i see it now

I was looking for actual different parts lmao

As long as it rides better than my pos maxpeedingrods

Which, btw, are getting replaced with rockauto oem-like struts and shocks.

[lost nest]

I have MeisterR Sportives

[manic lark]

Cause i don't have the money for anything nice

And tbh i just want it to be driveable rn, once it's driveable, then i'll look into upgrading it.

Cause the subie is meant to be my daily, but it currently still needs at minimum a tune

[river relic]

I still need a lift for the Camaro, but I have a pit in the garage so that helps at least.

[manic lark]

I don't even have a garage

[lost nest]

Time to go buy a $20 ball joint separator.

[river relic]

Just bought a telescopic spring compressor so I will be able to do the coil springs on the Camaro finally. Was always wary of doing them until I found this style of spring compressor. So much safer.

[lost nest]

Ball joint separation went with one hell of a bang but the passenger side is done.

So. I've never used a ball joint separation tool like this one. Usually a pickle fork or a straight up hydraulic press, so I had this thing on and cranked down to the max and it's not budging

Very lightly tapped the end while explaining to my gf how everything is bullshit

BANG

"Oh. Well. Nevermind."

[river relic]

I don't see the separation tool in the photo? Maybe I'm just blind.
Ive only ever used pickle forks to separate the joint.

[lost nest]

It's not in the photo lol

[lost nest]

There you go

[river relic]

I have never even seen that kind before. I would have had no clue that was for ball joints. What a weird looking contraption.

[lost nest]

It goes under the steering knuckle, between that and the ball joint. The pointy bit presses the stud through the knuckle.

I had to look up a video lol

[lost nest]

Good thing I got these new ball joints.

Olds ones be fucked

[lost nest]

Undrivable amount of toe-in right now lol

[bronze gulch]

that is easy enough to fix

[lost nest]

Yeah. I was just thinking about the geometry and it makes sense. I'm doing two things at once that will pull against the tie rods. Lifting it by forcing the ends of the control arms down as though the wheels are in the air, AND extended ball joints kicking the bottom of the knuckles out to correct the camber.

My cousin is a mechanic and alignment tech so I'll get it sorted.

[vagrant knot]

Time to cut the fenders and add bigger tires

[stable olive]

Is it me or am I the only 1 wanting to make small cars offroad capable

[vagrant knot]

I’m glad I keep my tuk tuk in gear

Someone tried to either move it for fun and couldn’t much as in gear or tried to steal it

No damage I could see but they moved it a bit

[lost nest]

Bro I'm literally posting photos of a miata getting a lift kit

[stable olive]

I thought it was on a crane, I didn't know it was a lift kit

[lost nest]

@stable olive ahem.

[stable olive]

I missed that all together

[lost nest]

Someone go put my car back on my lift and straighten out those wheels

[potent flicker]

I won’t but I’ll yell at someone that can

[lost nest]

Wait a minute. I am the only one here that can.

[vagrant knot]

shut up nerd

[lost nest]

no u

[potent flicker]

[vagrant knot]

im not a nerd'

[manic lark]

If you paid me a decent living wage i'd gladly sit there and work on your car all day lmao

[lost nest]

Talked to the owner of fast forward superchargers because the 90-93 was taken off the website.

They've got one intake manifold available for the 90-93, wont get anymore this year, and if the guy they have doesn't decide to buy the kit by tomorrow he's going to send me the invoice.

[bronze gulch]

you are supercharging? why not turbo?

[vagrant knot]

Cause why not

[stable olive]

Superchargers are amazing at the low end and have a lovely destinct whine to it.

Turbos have a drawback with turbo-lack

[fierce heart]

As an owner of a car which when supercharged hit 80% peek torque at 4200rpm with peek power at 7500 rpm, then when turbo converted hit peek torque at 1200 rpm hitting peek power at 6700… you’re talking about a subset of engine/charger configurations

[stable olive]

Superchargers are driven by an engine belt most of the time, which gives you torque at the start of the torque curve.
Which also has an advantage in weaker engines.

Turbos rely on exhaust gas to operate, that's why there's turbo lag, which also can mean you need more power to make the turbo work reliably.

My parent's car, thanks to efficient fuel burn, what Mazda engines are known for, turbos will have less of an effect on these engines than a supercharger.

[potent flicker]

My Mazda engine does not burn fuel efficiently

[stable olive]

Efficient fuel burn, not as in efficient engine.

I love how modern Mazdas still lack a turbo, and instead use a supercharger

[fierce heart]

Displacement superchargers are very inefficient at extremely low rpm as the amount of air by compressing is disproportionately small to the amount of resistance of compressing and mechanical parasitic losses. As the rpm rises, the parasitic losses of physically compressing via displacement will increase more quickly than the volume of air being compressed. to resolve this issue, you naturally push the peak efficiency of the supercharger down the rev range to ensure that any airflow instability in the very low supercharger rpm is hidden at or below idle. The result is that you get really good lower mid to upper mid talk but tails off the side. if the supercharger is dimensions correctly, you will get no negative supercharge affects at normal driving rpm.

Centrifugal superchargers work, like turbos. The efficiency of centrifugal compressors is pushed way way up into the high rpm range. if you have dimension to supercharger correctly, you should be hitting the sweet spot at just above the middle of your rpm range with the compressor going just off boost at the rev limiter. this pushes all of the talk up into the top half to 3rd of the weather range, making a very peaky engine. vantage of the superchargers is, they are light and have very low parasitic drawers. they are also very compact, for this reason they are often used for racing and motorbike conversions

As for the dimension of turbos, and where the compression is efficient and inefficient in the range that is a huge topic. In the case of the car that I drove, it had two low-pressure but very high volume turbos, which were in a compound arrangement, each of them, getting their own independent exhaust system to maximise scavenging postturbo, and also reducing the effective exhaust pressure postturbo. The net result was an extremely responsive engine, which has a sharper throttle response than most normally aspirated engines using a fly by wire throttle.

I also had a car which had a single relatively large turbo and I would completely agree with you. Yes it didn’t start to work until well past 2000 rpm and it did have a lot of turbo lag up to about 5500 rpm. Beyond that 5500 rpm, the turbos were pretty much spilled up all the time, so there was throttle lag because it was dumping the excess pressure anyway..

also, the engine size matters at the end of the day there are limits to how big and small you can make turbos and supercharger is of what any type you choose so therefore if your engine is too small or too big, you are forced into one regime or another. If you can get direct injection of petrol going, then you can run much higher compression levels which favour low boost high-volume turbos assuming you can keep the knock in check. this is why a lot of high compression high boost engines actually run pretty much pure ethanol. Detonation in ethanol is much harder so therefore you can push the boost higher and higher and higher. You also contaminate the input with excess moisture to help cool the charge down.

extra moisture in the inlet track actually reduces turbo lag by increasing the mass of the object today, which can push the turbo harder for a given exhaust volume so therefore spins up faster….

[stable olive]

Then why would a company like Mazda use superchargers over turbos just so you don't have the turbo lag and have a smooth torque curve instead?

As far as I understand from turbos is that they negatively impact lower rpm, while superchargers work simultaneously with the engine to produce power.

[fierce heart]

Turbos are much harder to manage. you have over boost conditions, in high compression ratio scenarios, you have under boost conditions where you have significantly more vacuum caused by the turbo. your thermals are much harder to manage a lot of energy is transferred from the exhaust into the intake which multiplies your heat superchargers do not do this. A centrifugal supercharger, which is basically a turbo, but driven off the engine is typically putting about 30% of the thermal energy into the intake air.

turbo engines need much better control over their oil system and run higher oil pressures. They cannot stand nearly as much debris in the oil mean in your oil filter needs to be better. This comes with engineering issues over the oil system as well as much shorter oil lifespan. you also need better control of the cylinder temperatures so now you’re adding complexity into your cooling system and also adding additional load into your cooling system. Therefore you’ve now need bigger water pumps, bigger radiators…. in short superchargers are preferred as they simply let the engines last longer. The problem is that you lose a lot of the power that you gain. if I remember correctly, the jag XKR at peak power was losing 120 to 150 brake horsepower purely to its supercharger, This meant the engines nominal 300 odd brake horsepower was actually more like 450

[stable olive]

But why do majority of cars produce more power when supercharged and not lose it.

And why does the older Ford GT has a massive twin-screw supercharger?

[fierce heart]

The majority of cars converted from superchargers to turbochargers, see huge gains in maximum output

The general expense of this is engine life

For instance, for the same level of boost of my car, I went from 305 to 482 brake horsepower

However, an additional 40 to 50 kg of mass was added, purely to the oil and water cooling systems

The engine also was Right on the edge of overheating when ever, you got into stop start traffic where previously it was comfortably cool with less equipment required to call the oil and water

[stable olive]

It sounds not beneficial to me to be honest, I want a vehicle to last as long as possible.

[fierce heart]

which is why superchargers are often preferred. The problem is they consume far more fuel than an equivalent output turbocharged engine and/or produce more power, depending on what your compromises are

there is a reason that the majority of small city cars are very effective at variable volume by turbo, rather than supercharger.

that reason is fuel economy that use less fuel. With my car going from the supercharger to turbo conversion conversion reduce the amount of fuel used in day to day drive driving by about 25 to 30%

However, the estimated engine life went down from 190,000 to approximately 120,000 miles

Basically, you need less technology to supercharge engine than to turbo charge it

[stable olive]

That's odd though, my parents car drives 1:18 (L:KM) with a 2.0L with 150HP, which is as high as most turbo-charged cars with a smaller 1.4L turbo-charged car.
My dad was surprised that my company's cars, Seat Ibiza was using as much fuel as our Mazda 6.

The Seats are 1.4L Turbo charged, while the Mazda 6 is 2L supercharged

[fierce heart]

That is not a supercharged engine, that output is a normally aspirated, 2 L Mazda engine

There is a Mazda technology which has a supercharge or supercharger in its name which is not a supercharger, but it’s talking about the way something works. I’m not sure of the exact details because I have not looked very hard in any Mazda engine other than the rotaries.

[stable olive]

The SkyActive-X, which our car has, is apparently supercharged.

Just a tiny supercharger

[fierce heart]

No, it’s not it’s not got a supercharger in it, not in a displacement of centrifugal terms

The sky active X is nominally a normally aspirated engine all variants

[fierce heart]

That is technically wrong

The air pressure in the intake manifold is not increased compared to the air pressure in the airbox at any point

as it never gets into a positive boost scenario, it is never considered supercharged or turbocharged

as I said, there is a Mazda technology which uses supercharged or supercharger in its name, which is not actually supercharging.

[stable olive]

All I know it drives nicer than every turbo-charged car I have driven.
Even then I barely use their car.

[fierce heart]

also, given the Engine is extremely high compression ratio in the cylinder. Any form of boost is problematic. there may be a device to help increase the airflow and get over intake drag, but it never gets into that positive boost scenario. In that case it should respond like a very nice smooth, revving flat talk curve NA engine

it looks like there is a device in the intake tract, which actively sucks air out of the airbox effectively eliminating the resistance for the engine, drawing air through the filter and intake track. it’s always in a negative pressure scenario, so therefore he’s not considered charging. Assuming I’m looking at the correct patent

[stable olive]

For some reason, Mazda makes amazing engines, it's all I know.

[fierce heart]

in that sort of lower high capacity engine range, they do look nice.

[stable olive]

They drive smooth and respond quick, I like there's no delay between the gas pedal and the engine revving.
It's not like other cars where you press the gas pedal and it has like time to respond, not talking about my company's Ibizas.

[fierce heart]

they still don’t compare that well to a small well remanufactured, turbo charged 1.5L engine from BMW. and almost legless, 217 brake horsepower with as good if not better fuel economy. that is kind of hard to tell as that good unit is only available in a hybrid.

[stable olive]

I never driven a hybrid, never saw a reason to, okay I actually do drive 1 but not in the usual sense.

[fierce heart]

I mean on paper, it gets absolutely slaughtered with an average mpg of about 85 to 90, but you know you can’t compare it because it’s got a bloody battery in the back of the car

[stable olive]

I drive an HEV, which actually is a hybrid.

[fierce heart]

The plug-in hybrid I drive. The great thing is you’ve got about 45 miles around town on,electric but you don’t also have the advantage of five minute fill ups to get an extra for 500 miles of range without having the inconvenience of going down to London every single time you want to fuel up because that’s where all of the hydrogen stations are…..

[stable olive]

I drive a Toyota Mirai, refuelling is a true pain, but at least I drive cheap.

[fierce heart]

It’s a minimum 130 mile round trip to get fuel for me

[potent flicker]

True hybrids driven by the ice or electric are pretty capable. Mostly they use the electric motor to augment the ICE and take over when simply cruising

[stable olive]

I know from usual PHEVs that the ICE only charges the battery.

[fierce heart]

no, most of them, the engine drives the wheels and is augmented by a motor. This is why they end up typically having relatively high output because you say combine 170 brake horsepower engine with a 85 hp motor, both of which are needed to drive the vehicle easily on their own, but combined give you significant performance

I can only think of a Vauxhall and the range extended i3 off the top of my head which have the combustion engine working as a generator engine.. I’m sure there are more, I’m just not aware of them

[stable olive]

For me luckily 2KM, can drive around 600KM if I am careful, and only pay like €35.- to refuel the damn thing.
Funny enough the Mirai is slow, still having fun taking over my company's Ibizas though.

[stable olive]

Mild-hybrid usually do combine power, plug-in usually has the ICE as a generator, unless you're Volvo or Bentley, which have the electric motor in the front and ICE power in the back.

I know from my HEV that I have around 20KM battery power, don't ask me how I know, I ran out of fuel more than once.

[fierce heart]

Vaxuhall, Volvo, VAG, BMW, Mercedes, Citroen and Hyundi all use dual drive PEHV

I’m not sure about the Toyota prius. I seem to remember that the plug-in hybrid had a CVT gearbox for the engine, but I’m not sure on that one. I’m not even sure if there’s if there’s a plug-in Kia not looked at Ford so there may well be all generator hybrids.

A lot of plug-in hybrids will actually overload the engine when cruising with the engine on to recharge the battery because the engine output efficiency is actually higher at higher loads so if you drive the generator with the engine as well as pound the vehicle forwards, you get more efficient use of the fuel that you have

plug-in hybrids tend to have a back of gearbox drive which can be the sole motive power unit

[stable olive]

Opel Ampera 2012 uses 1 electric motor to power the front wheels, the ICE is just a generator, I once asked this to my neighbour that has 1.
He even showed me the ICE can stay active to charge the battery when the vehicle is turned off.

[fierce heart]

if you want to talk about plug-in hybrids, the most sold plug-in hybrid drivetrain is a fully automated clutch ZF 7 speed auto with an output motor

[stable olive]

Depends on the generation, I know early models only drove electric under 30 KM/h.

[fierce heart]

That may be, why I’m not sure then

The Opal would be the Vauxhall I was talking about.

[stable olive]

Haven't been following the Toyota Prius all that much because it's in Europe 1 of the most problematic hybrids.

[fierce heart]

We just use Vauxhall for the branding of Opal cars

Just trying to remember the European name for Vauxhall and couldn’t remember

[stable olive]

I know, but what I found out, the Chevy Bolt is theoretically the same car, but you can't choose between the modes like on the Opel Ampera.
So maybe Vauxhaull could do something different as well.

The Chevy Bolt decided by itself if you drove electric or as a mild-hybrid.
The Opel Ampera you could choose between electric or with the generator.

[fierce heart]

there is a Vauxhall, which is a generator plug-in hybrid, but there are also other plug-in hybrids, which are combined output drive trains

[potent flicker]

It’s less efficient in the transmission

Also the battery packs in Hybrids aren’t meant to sustain a load the same way a PHEV or EV is. They’re designed for rabid charging and discharging instead to improve the ICE efficiency

[stable olive]

Some Puegoet uses generator based PHEV, as no matter what mode you put it in, you can choose between 2WD or 4WD.

[fierce heart]

The drive motors are also actually optimised for maximising efficiency, when being used as an electrical generator rather than a motor.

[stable olive]

I know Toyota once tested a super capacitor instead of a battery for in their Prius.

[fierce heart]

being able to switch between two wheel and four-wheel-drive does not mean it’s a generator platform. The Volvo dualdrive, for instance, is effectively a front wheel drive car until it starts to detect any sort of slip, then slowly, but surely put his power to the rear wheels. This is regardless of the motor or the engine output, pushing the car along, because it sits interior to the distribution differentials.

[fierce heart]

and now we’re onto what compromises did you make in your battery design? 🤣

[potent flicker]

None that I can tell so far. I’m about to hit 200k miles

[fierce heart]

Impossible, every single battery is a set of compromises 😝

[potent flicker]

lol true

[stable olive]

I once sat in the 3008, which had an option for EV or combo, with 2WD or 4WD, or full automatic.

[potent flicker]

I’ll keep taking the 40 - 50 mpg on my daily commutes

[stable olive]

But it's battery range is like 20KM I believe

[fierce heart]

I will take a Volvo, V 60 with exactly the same optional in the car. With its seven speed, automatic gearbox, and if you run the battery down it’s stupid amount of turbo lag!

[stable olive]

How would I calculate for my HEV?
Like it has a 4KG tank for 600KM

[fierce heart]

I want to know how Volvo managed to make a 300 brake horsepower 2 L turbocharged petrol engine that has more turbo lag then of 1.6 L, 350 brake turbo charged engine

[stable olive]

I want the EX90, sadly I am not that rich🙃

[fierce heart]

EWW an SUV! (doesn’t like most SUVs inc crossovers)

There’s nothing wrong with the vehicles in principle, it’s just I actually like to be able to see around my car properly

[stable olive]

I want something big, it annoys people on the road here as they either drive sedans, cross-overs or small town cars.

And the EX90 is big enough to be a proper SUV

Preferably I would love an electric Escalade, but to get the normal 1 into the country I can buy 2 EX90, and to convert the Escalade to EV I can buy an EV6-GT with it as well

[fierce heart]

See, I’m the opposite I want something small and quite low to the ground so i’ve got as much visibility in my critical view area as possibly

to give you an idea, i’m looking to ev convert a smart roadster!

[stable olive]

People here drive like assholes, and the smaller the car the less they care about you.

[fierce heart]

Drive prestige cars, then talk about people, not giving a shit. I would quite like people to not give a shit! it would be refreshingly stressfree!

that’s another reason I’m going for a smart build

[stable olive]

Or drive an ugly car like a Toyota Mirai, then you'll be the topic of the day apparently here.

[fierce heart]

I assume you mean the old style not the new one because from what I remember the new one is rather nice

[stable olive]

I have the 2017 model, got it for 20K with only 20K on the counter.

I thought it was a nice deal

[fierce heart]

okay it’s not as nice as i thought. it’s just much nicer than your gen (i’m not sure how Toyota managed to screw up the styling that much, but then again I have seen the current Toyota supra! 🤮)

that said what you really care about, is how the inside of the car looks! Because that’s the bit, you have to look at all the time

[stable olive]

With everything in the middle of the dash, which I still don't understand as I prefer it in front of me.
I have an iPad mount for my iPad Mini where the speedometer usually should be.

And to be honest, I love the look of my ugly car, I am planning on wrapping is soon to show the curves more, although on the taillight I am planning on putting some red reflector stuff there so the taillight looks like it's 1 piece instead of 2.

[fierce heart]

Oh, like the Tesla model 3?

[stable olive]

That car looks like a fish

[fierce heart]

inside not outside

[stable olive]

The speedometer in the Mirai 2017 is literally in the middle, like you have to look slightly to the right to see it.
Where they usually are in normal cars it's just flat, I put an iPad holder there.

Or is that what you mean?

Also Toyota, how can you make the navigation system so unclear.

[fierce heart]

like this

so kinda the same

[stable olive]

Yes, but a lot uglier

[fierce heart]

Yeah, that looks like it was penned by the same people that made the Supra design

[stable olive]

I can say, I hate the interior
But then I prefer the EQS interior

Which most people hate

[fierce heart]

I like my AM’s interior! two lovely satin Al dials, with just enough information around it for you to know what’s going on and no more

[stable olive]

Just give me displays

I am also more distracted by buttons than displays for some odd reason

[fierce heart]

It’s certainly the best of the all glass interiors I’ve seen, but I just hate all glass interiors

[stable olive]

I love it, easy to clean, no tactile buttons that distract my ADHD brain

[potent flicker]

The irony being that physical buttons and dials make for safer driving

[hollow knoll]

touch interfaces for important things in a car are fucking stupid

physical, tactile buttons and dials all the way

[potent flicker]

Or exceptional interface design with touch displays that don’t require you to look at them

But who’s got time for that

[lost nest]

1: the guy canceled so I'm on deck to buy it.

2: it's a TVS 900 supercharger. The guy who started the company designed the kit explicitly for the application I have in mind which is touring around pulling a small trailer and an empty wallet.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VzCZCJDJF8g&feature=share8

[bronze gulch]

nice

any one here have any experience with the venerable 22RE and it idiosyncrasies

like why the car will do 35 in 4th but not 40?

[vagrant knot]

Not really but that seems to me the gearing is off so it won’t do it in 4th

[bronze gulch]

it is just 40 that it detonates in 4th I can do 35 (just above idle) and 45-70 in 4th if I give it more than a hair of throttle at about 40-45 it starts detonating

[fierce heart]

What are the actual rpms?

[stable olive]

They are, but they also distract me more, like you know, a fidget toy.

[fierce heart]

As a general rule with touchscreen is you need to physically look at them while you are interacting with them. This means you are not looking at the road. Subconsciously fiddling with a dial and not looking at it is far less of an issue.

[stable olive]

It is an issue if the dial is related to the infotainment display😃
Besides I never use the touch display while driving.
Climate control is always on automatic and has the temp on 20°C, and music is through my phone or iPad, which are literally in front of me.

[bronze gulch]

I don't have a tack sadly,
I shift based on speed and engine sound

[potent flicker]

You're gonna need steps to get in and out

[bronze gulch]

making a rally speck miat feels worng

[deft musk]

just slap a big wing on the back and a bucket of lights on the front

[bronze gulch]

if he adds light bars they should also pop up with the head lights

[deft musk]

I just imagined them popping up out of the soft top 😆

[potent flicker]

No put a roll cage on and have the bar roll the lights up

[bronze gulch]

I forgot that roof ounting was also comon I was thinking of the grill mounted ones

[remote plume]

when engine go wrroooaaaaeeeeEEEEE right hand go BAM BAM 💥 😎

and maybe exhaust also go BAM BAM

[lost nest]

Roll cage on these has to go under the soft top so it's a no go.

[potent flicker]

No that can still work. You hit the light switch, top retracts, lights flip up and on

[lost nest]

Anything that flips up will just hit me in the head when it's down

Even the roll bar is technically unsafe as it's so close to the occupants heads.

[vagrant knot]

Helmet

[potent flicker]

Flip back to front

[bronze gulch]

I was thinking light bar just behind the radiator

[bronze gulch]

the engine fan is louder than the engine so that is what I use

[potent flicker]

Sure that isn’t an airplane you’ve got?

[bronze gulch]

almost the fan engine driven with a thermal clutch

but the engine is not that loud compared to the injectors/valves and the fan especily at higher RPM

the muffler is almost larger than my fuel tank

[lost nest]

I want a brush bar and winch, but my headlights are already stupid bright

[lost nest]

Alignment done. Exhaust leak located.

[bronze gulch]

fun

easy fix or good excuse for new muffler

[lost nest]

I have a full stainless catback. The cheap catalytic converter I bought is missing half the weld

[bronze gulch]

so not so easy fix

[lost nest]

30 second weld

1 minute of bolts

I got the technology.

Just gotta pop it back up on my lift and pull out 4 bolts

[bronze gulch]

forgot that you can weld

[lost nest]

Well.

I can melt metal.

Some may not call it welding

[lost nest]

Giggity

[bronze gulch]

now you need knoby tires

lifted cars look silly with city tires

[lost nest]

Find me a set that's only 25" in diameter.

[bronze gulch]

understand that one I have R14 rims so I get no tire options

[lost nest]

These are 15 but I will buy 14 inch wheels if I can get an all terrain tire in roughly 25 to 25.5 inch diameter

[bronze gulch]

R14 tires all but don't exist

granted I need an odd size even then 70/225 so...

like the tire shop recommended getting R15 rims so I had options for tires

[river relic]

Depends on the brand and size. Hankook still makes plenty of 14s, and well as Uniroyal. If your looking for nostalgic, Coker tire if you can afford it.

[lost nest]

yeah, but I need all terrains lol

[river relic]

What size (I work in the tire industry)?

[bronze gulch]

I have hankook as they were easily the best option but as you said there are not many options

[river relic]

Tire Rack shows Cooper Cobras, BFG Radial TA, General Altimax RT45 and the Hankook Kinergy ST all available in 225/70/14. Of those options I'd go with the BFG personally, the general isn't bad either.

[lost nest]

14 or 15, prefer 15 since that's what I have, and they can't be larger than like 25.5" diameter

those are pushing 26", and I am not entirely sure they will fit - but I might be able to have my buddy keep an eye out for something using that size and see if it'll fit

[river relic]

Gonna be hard pressed to find an AT tire that is 25" in diamter that would fit on your application. Smallest tire BFG makes on their TA K02 is a 215/75/15 and thats a 27" diamter tire.

[lost nest]

yep

I can get sick ass rally tires though

https://tirestreets.com/products/accelera-ra162-205-65-r15

[river relic]

Wait, General makes a 205/75/15 in their Grabber A/Tx.

[lost nest]

thats a 27

[river relic]

Might be the smallest AT tire you can go though.

[bronze gulch]

Hankook Kinergy ST is what I am using atm on half of my wheels

[manic lark]

This sounds like an excuse for the ultra lift

[lost nest]

its like 6 grand, some welding

[manic lark]

Lmao

[lost nest]

15 inches shock travel, like 8" lift

if I really get more into this with this car I will probably do it

[manic lark]

Might just have to find a good all-season with decent all-terrain capability?

[lost nest]

pretty much what I have on there tbh

all seasons more like no-season

[manic lark]

Unless you're actually taking it offroad all the time and not really dailying it, in which case rally tires all the way

[lost nest]

mostly on-road

[manic lark]

I know the michelin and continental all-season sports are good daily road tires, idk how they do off-road though.

Nor do i know if they make them in the size you want

Conti makes a 205/50/R15, looks like michelin only goes down to R16

[vagrant knot]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvOAnAvpNKs/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== @lost nest next upgrade ?

[fierce heart]

My preferred Quatrac Pro+ only goes down to 205/50R17

[hoary folio]

My friend is looking for a new car.

Budget is 8-10k usd

She wants a hatchback 4 door that's not too big because her garage is small. She also drives about an hour and half daily for her work commute and has to move teaching stuff.

Any suggestions? I've definitely got a model in mind but I'm interested in hearing other opinions.

[vagrant knot]

hatchback or such id say

unless she needs lot of trunk space too

theres plenty here and theyre great

but idk

chevrolet has some or u go european hatchback

[hoary folio]

She had an aveo 5 and it's been a total turd

I'm thought is a Honda Fit

Known for being reliable

Roomy. Hatchback

4 door

[vagrant knot]

idk that

idk if yall got european brands so to say over there hatchback wise

chevy spark or smth ?

those be hatchbacks i think

but being america i feel she might want something bigger as if she get hit by a full american car that shit is gnna be half the size

[hoary folio]

Oh yeah I forget you're not American lmao

The Fit was marketed as the Jazz abroad

[manic lark]

I'm not super knowledgable on "regular cars", but it seems like people like those as every day cars.

[bronze gulch]

look at Mazda's line up or go with Toyota/Honda

[bronze gulch]

if it is the states we do not get budget euro brands unless VW counts and even then they are not worth the cost compared what the Asians offer

[hoary folio]

Ooo yeah the the Mazda 3 hatch exist

[bronze gulch]

mazda has some good hatch options

[stable olive]

Is it me, or are Chinese luxery cars much much cheaper than their EU or US counterparts?

Like I have been following the HiPhi X, which was estimated to be around 200K Euro, but it's half of that.

[vagrant knot]

Well wonder why, quality vs Chinese quality

[stable olive]

I drove around a Nio ET7 before, they feel much better than Tesla, and with some stuff even better than BMW

[vagrant knot]

Well yeah Tesla sucks

[stable olive]

I mean, the ET7 is an amazing car, and quality wise really good so far.

[hollow knoll]

Items are often priced more based on what the target market can pay than the underlying cost to build the item.

[remote plume]

that statement is true, however it completely disregards the cost of production so if the target market can pay less it needs to cost less to produce i.E. the product needs to cut corners at some point

[hollow knoll]

That sounds like a longer way of saying the price is "based on what the target market can pay"

[stable olive]

But the problem I have with the western car manufacturers these days is they make the cars very very expensive.
For a good sized car we pay well over 50K these days, it use to be less than, way less.

This is why I feel where the Asian market can succeed.
The cars cost less than their western counterparts.
While the western cars are barely any better.

[remote plume]

My problem with them is they make cars too feature-rich and the price goes way up.
The most basic electric vehicles are very luxurious, there's no middle ground anymore.

[stable olive]

My problem is that Chinese cars are less than half the price, and are way better than their Western counterparts.
Why do I have to pay 250K for a feature rich 6/7 person car in Europe, and only 100K for an Chinese equivalent.

[remote plume]

A VW bus is not 250k 🤔

[stable olive]

VW has 1 of the worst infotainment systems I seen on modern cars, the interior is so minimalistic that it feels cheap.

[remote plume]

Anything from VW that can reasonably carry 6-7 people goes in the 30k to like 100k NEW range

[stable olive]

Not here, the VW Buzz for example starts at 60K, the Transporter around 75K.
And then we have the base model.

[remote plume]

Lemme make a reasonable config through their configurator real quick

[stable olive]

The base 5 seater VW Buzz here costs me 68K actually

Which means I am still a seat short.

A 2nd hand VW Transporter will cost me well over 35K, which is still absurd

[remote plume]

Thats an EV

N6RNCKVI this is the reasonable configuration code for 67k

Link

OMFG DISCORD FINALLY ADDED LINK MARKDOWN

[stable olive]

Luckily you don't pay double tax on your vehicles, the base trim here is 60K.
And I don't know how much you pay for fuel, but here Diesel is roughly 2.- per liter, so I rather have a hybrid or EV

[remote plume]

Yeah well I chose the Diesel cuz its the 1.9TDI and diesel is like 1,70€ a litre

The motor does not add much tho

Cant do anything about some doubletax tho 🤔

[stable olive]

That trim here costs me almost 80K

So still, not cheap.

@remote plume the 2nd tax overhere, for a van, is roughly 12K.

[remote plume]

Isnt that just for the commercial sector tho?

Btw still not anywhere close to the 250k you mentioned

[stable olive]

I said equivalent, if we say the HiPhi X, a luxery MPV for 4 to 6 people.
It costs here roughly 100K, the next equivalent is the EQS SUV, which is past 220K here.

Model 3, 60K
Nissan Leaf, 40K
Like what does a western car make it better than an Asian car, why are Asian cars cheaper?

[remote plume]

Because their market is completely different

[stable olive]

But their cars are cheaper for the same if not better quality.

[stable olive]

Just the fact, that Western cars are way more expensive, bothers me.

[fierce heart]

the issue I have with chinese evs is the record of chinese 125cc motorcycles… support and supply networks are few and far between with components sometimes not available for months at a time and no real way to escalate a problem

[stable olive]

The Chinese EVs have platforms similar to Tesla's platforms, and with EVs the advantage is that a lot of components are way easier interchangeable

[fierce heart]

I’ve not seen evidence of that around here (though that is very much a country based thing) and just because parts are interchangeable doesn’t mean you can necessarily get them. The same thing is true of Chinese 125s and still part shortages occur

FYI, my experience with Tesla is their support is awful and I would never buy a car from them because of that

[stable olive]

I only have Toyota Mirai, never broke on me.
But parts for this car are literally almost nowhere

[vagrant knot]

got a diahatsu

nothing broke that wasnt due to something like snow and the car sliding in a curb

or just a rubber bushing thats 18year old wear and crack

[fierce heart]

i’m glad you haven’t had an issue but having had experience of manufacturers with bad parts supply twice resulting in losing transport for about 15 months between them i’m not going to hedge my bets again

[stable olive]

I rarely see Asian cars break down other than Toyota mild-hybrids.
I see many western cars breaking down each year, with VW on top and then BMW.

But I wouldn't be surprised if a Tesla Model X motor fits in the HiPhi X

[fierce heart]

the major UK breakdown providers say the manufacturers of car they have to rescue most often due to non-functioning vehicles are Ford, Vauxhall and Kia. What is hard to gauge is the rate at which this happens. bmw was high but that was for dead tyres (so much for rft tyres getting you home)

my general feeling is we overestimate the reliability of Asian brands and underestimate the reliability of European brands.

[potent flicker]

The distribution of ownership of those brands would also have an affect

Like “red cars get pulled over more often” because there are simply more red cars

[fierce heart]

Yeah, that’s what I meant by. It’s hard to gauge the rate of this happening

[stable olive]

Oh no, my car is red.....

[fierce heart]

So last week, the traffic patrols attended to 4 Ford vans, one Honda, a Hyundai and a Mercedes on the local motorway

[potent flicker]

I’m guessing the Ford vans were work/delivery vehicles

[vagrant knot]

isnt vauxhall just opel

[potent flicker]

Which, if that’s the case, then frequency of use is also a factor

[fierce heart]

i believe so

[potent flicker]

And Opel is just GM

[vagrant knot]

just like the vw up got a skoda and seat version, just all the same just rebranded with slight altercation

[fierce heart]

which goes back to what I was saying, about rate of incidents.

[vagrant knot]

same as older vw crafter and mercedes

all the same then

same as nissan adn opel vans for instance, but then again the new toyota van ife seen as citroen and opel too

[fierce heart]

i would imagine so the stats are just by manufacturer and type

[vagrant knot]

i bet, the ford vans are kinda notorious for issues

work van we have one that had injector issues, and my unlce had similar on the bigger version so different engine and such

[fierce heart]

The Ford transit is like the most common van by insane amounts

[vagrant knot]

yeah

theyre good vans , but just sometimes got issues that diff models have even if diff engine, unless the big vans have the same as a combo

[stable olive]

They are, but there's still some differences.

[vagrant knot]

mostly upgrade wise and shit as the engines and bodys basically be the same

[fierce heart]

also, i’d not call a headlight getting smashed and an upper radiator support get broken by someone reversing into a parked car a reliability issue

[vagrant knot]

thats more reliability issues of other drivers

[stable olive]

But some systems like hybrid engines can function differently.
I know on the older Opel and Vauxhaull Ampera that the Opel could work fully manual as you could drain its battery completely without turning on the ICE.
But on the Vauxhaull the computer decided completely for you which of the 2 engines were active

[vagrant knot]

then again it could be, theres cars who get hit and drive off vs others

yeah, tahts mostly just software that one has vs the other do their thing

as i said minor things

[potent flicker]

What about self driving cars though 😛

[vagrant knot]

fuck em

people cant drive themselves properly, ad those to the self driving they still fuck it up

[stable olive]

Perfect for people who can't drive or don't want to drive.

[lost nest]

Bump

I really need to get my damn camper ready

[lost nest]

They want 70k for it.

That's a 40k car max. 70k is about msrp on a c8 that's 10 years newer with almost as much hp.

[bronze gulch]

what is the milage?

[lost nest]

Like 40k I think.

Even if it was 4 digits that's asking nearly twice what it's worth.

Dealers are barely asking 50 for something like that and that's with the inane insane markups going on these days

[bronze gulch]

IDK I would argue that 40 is pushing it but part of that is IDK wheather to trust the mods that were done

also corvet is not on my buy list

[deft musk]

Tbf, mods usually lower the sale value of a car

[stable olive]

Those go for 50K max in Europe currently

[lost nest]

Common to do the heads on them because they're junk stock

[vagrant knot]

Like you? Junk

[lost nest]

Nah I lasted more miles than most of the z06 heads so far.

[bronze gulch]

how many miles does your engine have?

mine is still young at 250k

[stable olive]

40K KM

Bought for 20K

[bronze gulch]

mine had almost 200k when I bought it for 3200

[stable olive]

Mine had 20K when I bought it over a year ago

[bronze gulch]

well this is fun I have a coolant leak that nearly caused my car to over heat (I got lucky) and no Idea where it is thanks to the mess of hoses between the intake manifold and the engine

[hollow knoll]

You actually see fluid leaking, or fluid level is just decreasing without visible leak?

[bronze gulch]

hear

it was hissing and I could see steam

cluster was not in the red