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[sonic meadow]

on an only vaguely related tangent, I just had the annoyance of two disks with the same diskid.... of 00000001. not clones of each other afaik, just... the same essentially null diskid

[jagged star]

memory cells get partially full, they end up needing to read and write to multiple cells when in that state to manage them

[sonic meadow]

Very controller dependent. But yes, you do generally want some empty space for performance. The amount likely massively depends on the controller and size of disk

[cinder lagoon]

Not entirely wrong but completely unrelated to the statements before
Lemme explain:
Multi-layer cells (MLC) DO need to shuffle around stuff when they get written to. In effect they get worn faster because that means they are written to more often.
However it doesn't affect the speed of the drive.
How much of the drive is allocated to partitions also doesn't have an effect on speed but it does help with longevity.
Internally the controller even may move around that block over time to get even more homogeneous wear.

[cinder lagoon]

https://youtu.be/hCQCP-5g5bo?si=lZsswr1Ky8qlWjsp
lmao

[sacred seal]

Video title is not entirely accurate, but it is a fun experiment.

[cinder lagoon]

I mean - what a headline xD

[cerulean helm]

Man, just the process of updating different parts of my home server setup can be a chore in of itself.
Home Assistant-needs updating, HA apps also updating, custom integrations, gotta go pull those and update. Hey, Pihole has a bunch of updates, go connect to the rasberry pi running it to update. Linux PC needs updates. Oh Unifi Network needs to be updated...

[cinder lagoon]

I try to set up auto-update as far as possible - it's not always trivial but it was worth in the long run every time

In the end - I run all those things to tinker, and to improve my life, not to become a slave of theiur maintanance

[cerulean helm]

Good grief. 3.5 hours? They were not kidding when they said it was movie length. But thats bordline LOTR movie length.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3xQaf7BFI

[jade scaffold]

Intel's lunar lake keeps getting updates and getting faster

It's actually faster than the Z2 extreme ATM while being more efficient

Over the course of its life it's gotten some 20% faster. Little wins intel little wins if only it wasn't so expensive of a chip

[cinder lagoon]

20% sounds a little much - got a source to back that up?

[jade scaffold]

mostly on the GPU side due to Xe2s drivers being substantially improved and its not all games mind you but in the games it has only gotten a few % faster in it was already as fast as the Z2 extreme is

Techpower up reported on it

across the board performance uplift averages about 10% apparently just from driver updates and software changes to how the chip distributes power

[sonic meadow]

10% is pretty crazy, and at those power levels is showing a pretty good jump. Especially the 25w v 30w results

[jade scaffold]

Yea lunar lake is probs my favourite intel product

[cinder lagoon]

wait - you should've specified that you mean the GPU chip, not the CPU 😂
20% would've been a miracle on the CPU, 20% on the GPU is actually almost expected haha

[jade scaffold]

the GPUs all that matters

the CPU performance is practically irrelivant

you've got an IGPU that best case scenario matches a gtx 1070 and a cpu that worst case scenario is 2x faster than a 7700k

wouldnt matter if the cpu miraculously doubled in performance

[cinder lagoon]

Yea true

[jade scaffold]

https://ncased.com/products/s5m

It's comming soon

This about to be the best pc case ever developed

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/mlY2QjP_-9s

[jade scaffold]

I think they've pushed a patch already

Shouldn't happen anymore I believe

[mossy gull]

"shouldn't"

[cerulean helm]

Okay, Asus launching a legit 800w 5090. Uhm, at what point are pcs going to need to be on their own dedicated circuit, lol. Thats insane.

[mossy gull]

Limited edition mind you

But 800w over a single 12VHPWR which loves to melt, sketchy

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, its still a native 800w card approved by Nvidia.

It also uses its own pcie power connector that allegedy can handle up to 1000w on its own and the card also has the standard 12hpwr connector. Both of which can be used at the same time.

So theoretically the card could handle up to 1600w via its power connectors.

[mossy gull]

It's just a BTF connector I believe, it's Asus's "hidden" connector

But that terminates to either multiple 8-pin or single or multiple 12VHPWR

[cerulean helm]

Nope, different connector. It looks like a pcie x4 slot.

Aus calles ia a "GC-HPWR" connector. (I hate these stupid connector names).

[mossy gull]

It's called BTF

https://www.asus.com/uk/content/btf-hidden-connector-design/

[cerulean helm]

I'm looking at the clock speeds listed for the 800w card. Base boost block of 2580 mhz and an "oc mode" of 2610 mhz.

Significantly higher than the FE cards rated boost block. Though a 200w power increase for a 200 mhz boost block is the definition of diminishing returns, lol.

Its a "new" version of the connector. Just going by what asus is saying. Ironically enough that brand is the only one I'd trust with that kind of power limit with what they did with the astral card.

[mossy gull]

Yeah, "new" connector, BTF 2.5, basically 12VHPWR 2x2 or whatever it's called.
Same connector, different specs

[jade scaffold]

that boost clock is a lie

i hate it when they list boost clocks they are never even close to being right

my palit 5090 will do 3ghz at 660w

[cerulean helm]

Its just the listed clock. Obviously can boost higher depending on conditions. But I thought it was interesting the Matrix has a 200mhz clock boost listed over the FE, makes me wonder what it actual clock speed would be.

[jade scaffold]

i guess it depends on the clock bin

though imo for a limited launch nvidia should have let them use the better die

that would have been awesome

the full fat 24000 core die at 800w that'd be a good 15-20% faster than the standard 5090s which is a frankly absurd ammount of performance

[cinder lagoon]

technically, Today already.
Technically a single circuit is rated for 3.6kW (EU at least)
BUT thats on spike load, not continuous.

[cerulean helm]

Went to go finish watching GPU smuggling GN video. Its been DMCA'd. Aparently Bloomberg News filed a claim because..... GN used a Bloomberg video snippet of the U.S President making a statement about Nvidia.

[surreal moss]

Nooooo I haven’t finished ittttt!!!!!!

[cerulean helm]

Its being uploaded all over YT by others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s482ElwLR6A

The snippet of video the Bloomberg DMC'ad by the way, was the U.S President speaking. Apparently they think GN won't actually fight back at all.

[timber barn]

YouTube is beyond broken

[mossy gull]

A lot of buffering for you to?

Or just what's been happening?

[timber barn]

No with those Copyright claims

https://youtu.be/zBq_krhKbW4?feature=shared

Basically it is a cover your ass mechanism for them without repercussion which is getting completely abused

Pretty sad that there are no big EU alternatives…

[mossy gull]

Very simple, there are alternatives, but who the fuck cares if you can just use Google and YouTube.

If you ask the average person how they found their information it's always Google or YouTube.
Never ever the website or content creator.

Oh, even if a video isn't found on YouTube, it's still a YouTube video

So why does everyone keep using YouTube, because a video on the Internet is called a YouTube video even when it isn't.

Most people don't fucking care what happens until it seriously effects them in a bad way, when it already gone way way too far'

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/xSbPHUrOg44

That's a ±700.- card vs a ±1500.- card

[jade scaffold]

Intel's and AMDs server CPUs have plummeted in price for what ever reason

Intel's 128 core Xeon is currently going for 5k like what?

That's nothing for a 128 core cpu infact that's less than AMDs top end threadripper and is an objectively superior chip

Same for AMDs epycs their 192 core epyc is now like 8k where it launched at 15k

Sadly Intel's 288 core chip isn't available at retail so we don't know if it's price has eaten shit too

[jade scaffold]

pretty sure alot of this video is fake

yea im pretty certain the 5080 there is being artificially limited or isnt actually a 5080 for 1 the VRAM clock is wrong VRAM clock for the 5080 is 15000mhz not 14000mhz

2 the card seems to refuse in all but 3 of the tests to ever pull more than 300w of power and when it does pull more than 300w its not by much

[mossy gull]

Any reason why?

[jade scaffold]

unsure thats what im wondering

intel just tanked their prices seemingly for the lols

that and their node has gotten alot more reliable to build recently

but seemingly just for the lols

and intel running a 128 core cpu for the same price as amds 64 core threadripper i suppose must require some kind of response from amd

alternativly intel might have gotten some intel (duduntsss) on a competetor chip and dropped their price accordingly and amd just follow suit

[mossy gull]

Kinda like their U7?
Which is roughly the same price as their U5.

Although, we're almost at the yearly "new CPU launch" time, weirdly enough I never seen it happening like this before.

Wait, how does Intel's 128 core perform compared to AMD's 64 core?

I soon need a replacement for my current workstation.

[mossy gull]

Maybe it's in retaliation that they can't sell in China🙃

[jade scaffold]

they can sell in china tho

everyone can sell in china

all nvidia have to do is not pass a certain limit in terms of AI performance

[mossy gull]

Eh I don't know, the whole tech world is being weird lately.

[surreal moss]

There is the news of the new 10% ownership stake that just occurred. While the new ownership is passive that doesn't mean there wasn't some other discussion that occurred and may or may not be related

It's definitely odd

[jade scaffold]

going from $12k down to $5k is fucking insanity though

[surreal moss]

I don't disagree

[jade scaffold]

like threadripper is just fucking dead now

it has 0 reason to exist past maybe single thread performance

[surreal moss]

I've had Dell throwing 50% discounts at me for their new hardware for the last 3 months

[mossy gull]

I read somewhere where Nvidia dropped their 5080 price to 1K, I don't know if it's true because it takes at least 2 months to take effect in the Netherlands 🤣
But that card was like 1500.

[jade scaffold]

the 5080 price has been 1k for ages

i bought a 5080 for sub 1k

you've been able to get them at arround the 1k msrp for like 3 months now

[mossy gull]

It's what I heard, I am not following the prices lately

[surreal moss]

I was looking today. Trying to talk myself out of a 5090

[jade scaffold]

5090 is almost worth it

[mossy gull]

Did you succeed or still bought the 5090?

[surreal moss]

Haven't bought anything yet. Just looking right now

I'll have to get a new PSU along the way but that's only ~$100

[jade scaffold]

its the cheapest way to get 32gb of vram ever pretty much outside of maybe some amd pro gpu

and its the fastest gpu on the market by so far its almost silly

just dont get the Palit Gamerock one

[surreal moss]

but fireworks!

[jade scaffold]

unless you intend on liquid cooling it

the cooler on it makes a fucking horrendous sound

[mossy gull]

I just found an 5090 for 2200 here.
But then I saw it's Gigabyte and that reminded me instantly about "thermal gel" leakage.

[jade scaffold]

im so excited to cram my system into that new NFC case

[mossy gull]

I am gonna wait for the 6090 probably before getting a new GPU unless it's absolutely necessary to get a new GPU.

[jade scaffold]

yea ima wait for a new feature

if they do that perfect frame gen for the 6090 ill get one but if not im not too fussed unless its like 1.8x faster or something fucking absurd like the 4090 vs the 3090

sad the 5090 isnt the full die if it was the full die at 800w it'd genuinely be 50% faster than the 4090 which would have been great

[mossy gull]

Like the RTX 6000 Pro?

[jade scaffold]

6000 pro has the full die but not higher power limit

so its only 10% faster or so

you can cram another 10% out of it through power

and memory should be ran faster theres 0 reason for the 5090 to run memory at 14000mhz

it can do 1700mhz easy

[surreal moss]

I don't need a new GPU for once. Thinking it'd be nice to get and be set for another 5 - 6 years though

[jade scaffold]

hell it can actually do 18000mhz but MSI Afterburners slider doesn't go that far

[mossy gull]

Eh, I hope they'll replace the 12VHPWR.

But 1 thing I am happy with, if ATX boards keep getting less and less PCIe lanes I can use a smaller and smaller motherboard🙃

[jade scaffold]

hell it wont get me to 17000mhz without using a alternative oc table

honestly if 12v High power was rated for 300w it'd be fine

you'd have so much headroom and still be able to power a 5090 with only 2 small connectors

[mossy gull]

I read somewhere the 5090 prototype had not 1, but 2 12VHPWR

[jade scaffold]

it had fucking 4

[mossy gull]

Even 2 would've been awesome 😐

[jade scaffold]

i assume for pretty much no other reason than "i wonder how far this thing will scale off of power"

its insane how fast the memory is on the 5090

the fact that its theoretically capable of 2.4TB/s is almost silly

[mossy gull]

1 thing that bothers me the most since Linus his video, the lack of load balancing is just weird to me.

[jade scaffold]

that BTF connector is pretty good

thats 1kw

i wonder what stops that from being used on the top of the card with a wire

its really small too

[mossy gull]

Because it terminates into 2 12VHPWR on the back I believe, or 4 8-pin.
I haven't looked in depth with those boards but I saw something crazy like that.
And in theory a single 8-pin can carry 300w sustained on some PSUs.

[jade scaffold]

yes it can but then it'd melt just as often as 12v High power does

like providing a good connection and a good cable it can do it

but its pretty up there against the safety tolerance

[mossy gull]

More complex and therefore more expensive.
If Nvidia doesn't want a 2 lead cable and just went with the 12VHPWR, why would they want a BTF like cable?

[jade scaffold]

i mean the BTF is sure more expensive but it also requires 0 logistics

like the only thing you need to logistic there is the cable itself

no connector logistics basically

[mossy gull]

Like the 12VHPWR is only slightly cheaper than a 2 lead cable, and Nvidia went with the cheapest option.

[jade scaffold]

no thats just because linus couldnt find a cable that matched perfectly with the 12v high powers

thing is they wanted the connector to be small

they wanted that shit to take up minimal surface area

[mossy gull]

And in turn they got 1 of the most dangerous connectors on a GPU😅

[jade scaffold]

yea like its fine at 400w and below for the most part

but after that if its not inserted right its uh a lil risky

[mossy gull]

I think what Sapphire did wasn't bad either where it constantly will get cooled by the cooler, I haven't seen those ones burn yet, yet I seen them burn on the AsRock 9070XT.

Although the one on the AsRock 9070XT was connected to a cheap no-name PSU

[jade scaffold]

honestly yea activly cooling the connector would help

if the connector was made of some kind of ceramic it'd be impossible to melt lmao

the wire itself would melt before the connector end

[mossy gull]

Then it would melt the PCB or the copper cable inside 🙃

[jade scaffold]

not at 600w it wouldnt

to melt the copper that shit'd need to be running STOOOOPID power

[mossy gull]

True, still, the 12VHPWR is a mess.
Like it's been almost a decade we started using it and its problems haven't been solved yet.

[mossy gull]

Like DerBauer showed when all the power went through a single wire instead of multiple?

[jade scaffold]

yea but thats a seperate faliure

thats a PSU issue

a good PSU shouldnt let 1 pin pull fucking 55 amps of current

[mossy gull]

It was actually something with the cable, he replaced the cable and it suddenly was fine.
Although that's all I remembered.

[jade scaffold]

yea the cable failed

then the PSU failed to try stop it

it just sat there and let it happen

[mossy gull]

Still, doesn't mean the 12VHPWR wasn't at fault either.
If the PSU fails, the GPU should take over or vice versa.

But the GPUs fail automatically because they don't have freaking load balancing

[jade scaffold]

not saying it doesnt

but in any realistic scenario

the connector melts first

then the cable

[mossy gull]

Then the PSU, ah it couldn't be anyone other than Gigabyte🙃

Just joking

[jade scaffold]

i mean technically the PSU can fail identically to the GPU

but they very very very rarely seem to do so

which i think is just due to the GPU side being under more stress

[mossy gull]

How much would it cost Nvidia to load balance or even hard limit the power each cable connector can push/pull?
Not much, yet they didn't include it.

[jade scaffold]

probably not loads

[mossy gull]

Heck it's just a 2 pin splitted into 12 pins what they did.

[jade scaffold]

you cant really ballence the load

but you can tell when the load is becomming unballenced and just hard limit power

an pop a warning up

i think you only need a little bit of hardware for that

[mossy gull]

You can sort of hard limit it with resistors though

[jade scaffold]

not really and you dont wanna do it that way anyway

[mossy gull]

I know that, but it's better than nothing at all

[mossy gull]

Like what Asus cards have?

[jade scaffold]

they could just have some sensors on the pins that detects power input

if power exceed 9 amp limit power till power no longer exceed 9 amp

yea though the asus one will let your card melt still rather than doing anything about it

[mossy gull]

Doesn't it give a warning?

Or is it just dumb monitoring hardware?

[jade scaffold]

it gives a warning on the asus app

but thats like it iirc

so if you arent looking at it i dont think it pops a windows warning up saying your gpu is melting or anything

[mossy gull]

That dumb

So we need actively cooled and properly load controlled 12VHPWR connectors🙃

[jade scaffold]

yep

gonna be putting a thermal pad on my one when i get the block on it

[sonic meadow]

Imo the correct solution would have been an amendment to the ATX standard saying that no add in device can be designed to require no more than 300w or something like that in its default configuration. That would be 2x8pcie, or 1xeps+slot

(for consumer/enthusiast use that is. Servers can be their own mess, and regularly are)

But that would have needed to be done several generations back, between Nvidia 2000 and 3000 at the latest. The trend was already established at that point, though maybe not entirely obvious yet

[jade scaffold]

honestly all this could have been avoided if they just made 12V high power slightly bigger

still would have been smaller than 2x8 pin and still could have carried 4x the rated power of an 8 pin

[mossy gull]

BeQuiet their 12 pin🙃

[cerulean helm]

I did not have GN taking on Bloomberg News in my 2025 bucket list. But here we are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUnRWh4xOCY

[hasty rose]

I think, maybe... I need a new battery

[cinder lagoon]

Yup, seems about time
how old is it?

[hasty rose]

5 years

I need a new laptop in general

I got a ThinkPad for my father recently and now I'm going to need a new one

[mossy gull]

After Windows forcefully upgraded to W11, I noticed something, I still have a local account 😀🙃

[cinder lagoon]

Yea, its totally possible they just try to walk you around it

It's also REALLY not the end of the world, rather it's mostly OK

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/5k8P-SUjgSw

[jagged star]

Loving this push for handhelds the market is doing

[jade scaffold]

all this pushing for handhelds

still only 1 good handheld

its increadible how piss poor handhelds are actually doing tbh

at 25W this stupid abomination manages 25% more performance than the Z2 Extreme GPU wise
while having gods most hungry memory system on a handheld and amds dogshit IO Technology meaning this things battery life is going to be appalling. not that every chip amd has made for the past 3 years hasnt had appalling mobile battery life but this is probably going to be one of the worst

the most annoying part is the Z2 extreme the one chip thats built half decently for handhelds performs like shit because its using the same dumbass architecture the Z1 is but its CPUs a bit more efficient so it can cram 3% more performance out of the GPU

amd like nvidia get away with this because Intels 1 competing chip is too hard to produce at a comitative price, and sure its a superior chip in practically all regards but its too costly to throw in something like a steam deck

[cerulean helm]

Last handheld I bought was my Game Boy Color, lmao. And I bought that when it was new. Still works, along with my original Game Boy.

[mossy gull]

Probably because not everyone really cares of carrying a powerbank with them or have the thinnest handheld

[jade scaffold]

Thoes people are silly laptops exist

The fact a 14" laptop is genuinely a more portable device than a steam deck is hilarious

[mossy gull]

I wouldn't mind an handheld with the 8060S, even if it is severely underclocked.
But so far my only option for the 8060S is the Zephyrus Z13, which still doesn't have an OLED screen.

I have a powerbank the size of a 13" laptop in my backpack 90% of the time, so I don't mind to drain that

[mossy gull]

Most handhelds are unnecessarily bulky, that's the entire reason I have the AyaNeo Flip DS.

Like I can understand the Steam Deck, but for me, it doesn't fit in my pocket while the Flip DS fits nice and snuggly.

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/TbFIUu_7LIc

[mossy gull]

Thats some worrying shit

Even my SK Hynix is affected

[cerulean helm]

Now I'm glad I have Samsung and WB Black drives.

[mossy gull]

WD is also on the list of affected

[cerulean helm]

Not the black drives that I have seen.

[mossy gull]

I still would be careful though

For me so far I do have an SK Hynix and MP600 Core XT drives, while their controllers are on the list, they don't seem to be affected

Or well, not yet

[cerulean helm]

The WD SN850X uses their own controller, they do not use a third party controller.

[mossy gull]

And the SN5000 uses WD controllers.
It's not only Phison that is affected

At this moment it is a growing list

[cerulean helm]

The SN5000 is a blue drive and uses a completely different in house controller than my black drives. So far I have seen zero issues with my 6 nvme drives. My OS is on a 980 Pro.

[mossy gull]

I mean I have 3 SSDs, all should be affected, but currently see no issue.

[cerulean helm]

I have 2 980 pros a 970 evo, and 3 SN850x drives. And same, haven't seen any issue with drives dissapearing.

[mossy gull]

Personally, still be cautious, maybe it takes longer for some SSDs to show it

[cinder lagoon]

TLDW - what's the effect of the problem?

Got samsung, just wanna be sure

[mossy gull]

Anywhere from SSDs failing to work till they are completely power cycled to SSDs just killing themselves

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh dang

Not just boot drives tho, right?

[mossy gull]

Nope, they initially thought it happened when writing more than 50GB to the drive, but people just playing games also have encountered it.

[cinder lagoon]

Firmware or windows issue?

I know it's caused by a windows update

[cerulean helm]

Something in the Windows 11 update from the 12th along with the security update with it is fucking with ssd controllers. Nody is currently sure what exactly the issue is however. And more drives keep showing up in the affected list.
It seems to happen when doing large file transfers, ie; downloading or even loading game files in game.

[mossy gull]

And weird thing is, I have 2 high capacity SSDs and 1 for caching, and all 3 are on the list and yet nothing has happened yet, and I play with cache files that go up to 400 gig easily

[jade scaffold]

You might not have the new update

Or your SSDs firmware might be older or newer than other effected SSDs of the same model

[mossy gull]

My Windows 10 forcefully upgraded with Windows 11 last Thursday.
I would assume I have the latest update.

Or I get a different update because it's an Windows Upgrade variant.

[jade scaffold]

Windows has different branches

[mossy gull]

So you say that mine is probably not affected?

[jade scaffold]

It's might not be

Again no one really knows what's causing it outside of it happens on a specific version of windows

It could require a combination of drive firmware and windows

[mossy gull]

Maybe a certain hardware combination like an X870E board with said SSDs?

Although that would be a weird thing though and extremely hard to verify

[jade scaffold]

Yea recalling the update is sadly not an option because it was a security update

[mossy gull]

Windows 10 Pro to 11 Pro upgraded version might have legacy code saving them plus having a dedicated caching drive also could've saved my ass ChatGPT says.

The Caching drive literally takes the load of the main SSDs when dealing with heavy data load it says.

Although, it's still unknown what's causing the SSD crashes

It even says it also could be down to how the CPU handles caching and manages memory.
So it could be a CPU thing as well.

[jade scaffold]

Chat gpt is historically worthless with computers

Wouldn't trust it

Honestly ai is somehow probably the cause of the issue

[sonic meadow]

I was going to post that here... but I coudlnt remember where I saw it

[mossy gull]

AI going hostile confirmed?

[surreal moss]

That depends. I don’t trust it with anything less than a year old. And even then I still make it cite it’s sources

[cinder lagoon]

Ai kneecapping itself by destroying ai developers work xD

[cinder lagoon]

Intel files patent for 'Software Defined Supercore' — increases single-thread performance and IPC by mimicking ultra-wide execution using multiple cores | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-patents-software-defined-supercore-mimicking-ultra-wide-execution-using-multiple-cores

nooooooo

I've actually theorized about wether this would be possible...
This might actually be Intels way to the top again, unless AMD comes out with a similar but distinct way of doing that

This is practically Hardware-Handled asynchronization
Invisible to developers and how programs interact,
branch-predicting (but probably keeping more than one path),
With smart (ai lol) insertion of async await calls

[jade scaffold]

Yea Intel's next gen after nova lake is reported to be E Core only and have 100 cores

Intel's e core power budget is also typically only 2w

So max power would be 200w very reasonable and if all of those cores can act as 1 super core that's in theory like 10x the IPC of amds current best though we won't be seeing it till 2028

[cinder lagoon]

Hell naw, what's that for 😂
You mean the Super-Mobile server chips right (that nobody asked for?)?

It actually can't be all E-core because then if would defy the AMD64 processor architecture.

[jade scaffold]

No

Its for the consumer space

We already have 288 core Xeons

Using e cores Amazon and Microsoft use them

Well anyone running cloud services

Though I think they are exclusively available to Amazon and Microsoft because of how many of them they need

[jade scaffold]

That's untrue

But if intel can make 100 e cores pretend to be 1 core they'll outperform anything on the current market by a titanic margin

As if the multi core performance alone of 100 e cores isn't more than anything currently in the consumer market already

Each of these new e cores would be atleast 1.3x faster than current ones at a minimum too

[cinder lagoon]

No it is - they are (partly) more efficient because they don't support the entire instruction set

[cinder lagoon]

It definitely won't scale linearly and it will very much depend on the application.

I other news:
BASF und Welion erreichen Meilenstein bei Festkörperbatterien https://futurezone.at/science/basf-welion-meilenstein-festkoerperbatterien-kathode-material-nickel-kobalt-mangan-akku/403079756

I know this is in German BUT
Solid state batteries might soon be here 😲

[jade scaffold]

No it's not

They don't support certain extensions

They support the whole instruction set but don't support for example avx 512

[jade scaffold]

No it won't scale linearly as clock speed would inevitably have to take a hit to facilitate running multiple cores as a giant core but even if clock speed dropped by 75% 100 E cores still have more ipc than an entire 9800x has combined

The main hurdle to the unified CPU is cache the chip will end up built more like a gpu with a very fat L2 Cache. But each core will still have it's own private L1 cache assumably which isn't shared so this would create some overhead

Unless the unified CPU holds cores in specific clusters and it can combine say 10 cores in a cluster with a shared L1 but can't do all 100 cores as a single core

[cinder lagoon]

It's pretty hard to find actual information about this stuff but it seems I was wrong
https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/004/intel-performance-hybrid-architecture/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
AMD64 is supported, it just doesn't doe AVX-512 (like many newer CPUs) and FP16 operations

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's also outdated

Arrow lake can do fp16

[cinder lagoon]

On e-cores?

[jade scaffold]

There's still certain things it can't do

Certain instructions that require only 1 clock cycle on a p core might need 2 on an e core

[jade scaffold]

Yes

Technically they all can

Though the older e cores just do it through brute force really

But Intel's E cores have been rapidly increasing in performance some of the highest cpu IPC gain ever

If they keep on their current trajectory by the time they do the 100 e core CPU IPC will have gone up by 1.8x from now

[cinder lagoon]

Found the "up-to-date" version of this doc
https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/011/intel-performance-hybrid-architecture/

[cinder lagoon]

It says, the feature is mostly just disabled on hybrid (older) platforms, to avoid issues with thread scheduling

[jade scaffold]

Putting the e cores on par zen 4

[jade scaffold]

Yes

[cinder lagoon]

Zen4c is reduced tho 🤔

[jade scaffold]

That's why avx 512 is disabled on p cores

Causes funky scheduling issues with OSs

[jade scaffold]

No it's not

Zen 4 c is the same ipc as zen 4

It just uses greater density design and guts the cache

Also I was talking equivalent performance to a 7700x core v core not IPC Vs zen 4C

[cinder lagoon]

Aha this is the relevant piece

[jade scaffold]

That is still 12th gen

But also only applies to p core + e core chips

[cinder lagoon]

Damn intels docs suuuuuck lol

[jade scaffold]

Doesn't entirely apply to all e core chips

So all e core chips can't do avx 512 but they CAN do fp16

We already have several all e core chips that have 0 issues running everything like normal chips do

[cinder lagoon]

Dang what tf have I been reading ._.

[jade scaffold]

Though no all e core chips based on the new architecture yet

Was hoping for a successor to the n100 with the new e cores because they are nearly 2x faster

[mossy gull]

Wait, Intel wants to combine cores?
Now we're talking

[jade scaffold]

Yea E cores they are gonna use

Which is smart tbh e cores are 1/4th the size of p cores and are probably the most efficient CPU cores on the planet

[mossy gull]

But combining E-cores is like having a clockspeed of like 20GHz

Or more even

[jade scaffold]

Yea the IPC will be more important

Technically running all e cores has a latency penalty as you are updating things less per second

[mossy gull]

But the speed can sort of counter the latency, just like we have on RAM, where higher MT/s is often combined with more latency yet it's still faster

[jade scaffold]

No

Higher MHz ram reduces latency

The combination of CL and clock speed is what makes latency for RAM

[mossy gull]

That's what I tried to say😅

[jade scaffold]

In CPUs it's not like that

[mossy gull]

But how would it work then?
Would it help in any way?

[jade scaffold]

In CPUs latency is very basically time between clocks

Not super relevant really 3,000,000,000hz is plenty enough

Most things are scheduled any way making latency practically irrelevant it only really matters for anything that interrupts

[sonic meadow]

the latency issues with cpus are around IO and inter-core communication, both of which have issues with core count scaling

[mossy gull]

But would combining cores help in lets say Lightroom or gaming?
Or wouldn't we even notice the difference?

[jade scaffold]

It wouldn't help latency it'd technically hurt it as you'd end up at a lower clock thus greater time between interrupt but again 3 billion hz is plenty enough

Gonna get more latency functionally from the usb controller than from the fact you can interrupt the CPU less

Like doing 700 operations per clock 3 billion times per second is insane

But we also don't know how this mighty morphing CPU will work

[sonic meadow]

oh. and other bit of latency in cpus is pipeline depth

[jade scaffold]

It could run the cores in "raid" activating them in rapid succession one after another giving you like 7 IPC but 300GHz which is in theory a better solution than running 100 cores simultaneously at 3ghz

Or maybe only clusters of 10 cores are able to act as one

[jade scaffold]

Or cache latency or thread bandwidth or branch prediction being wrong

[sonic meadow]

branch prediction is an interaction with pipeline depth and reordering

[jade scaffold]

Yea anyway a 100 core CPU pretending to be a 1 core CPU will have higher latency potentially though reduced clock speed if it does treat all cores as 1 big core and executes simultaneously across all of them. It's probably not the main cost of latency

Filling 100 e cores full of data is the more pressing issue me thinks

Which is why I think the "raid" array of cores could be how they do it

I'm hoping they can do all 100 cores acting as one core and it's not just only a cluster of cores can act as one and you have like 10 clusters

[cinder lagoon]

...yeah this is great...
now get out of my face and let me reinstall BetterDiscord

[runic thorn]

Watch as they make the default theme slightly awful so you have to buy the ability to customize but not so bad that people will stop using the service.

[cinder lagoon]

Yea

[jade scaffold]

Atleast I can make everything true black now without having to reinstall better discord every other day

[mossy gull]

And then there's people like me, still waiting for touch support

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah that kinda sucks - I wish the installer supported commandline so I can just have a script do it lol (or at least if only one install is found auto select it haha)

[sonic meadow]

speeeeeeeeeeeed

[sacred seal]

Can you imagine a cpu clocked that high?

[mossy gull]

Then CPU bottlenecks wont be a thing anymore

[surreal moss]

If only

It’s always just a matter of time until something maxes out the new threshold

[mossy gull]

Like the PCIe controller or memory controller

[runic thorn]

Everyone would just stop spending money on optimizing anything and in a couple years we'd be CPU-bottlenecked again. (Okay, maybe more than a couple. That's a lot of Hz, and I assume all other components would still be crap since it wasn't otherwise stated in the scenario description.)

[jagged star]

We might just might have working physics engines in games with that.

[frozen igloo]

Anyone have experience with Tricaster having white artifact lines periodically after a software update? I recently updated the tricaster for my college tv station and we have that issue. I’ve reupdates the core, tried to roll back the update and reinstall it (had artifacts on both) Ive updated the graphics driver to the most recent one before the tricaster build date and ran a few command line prompts to check file integrity and it’s still have issues, any thoughts?

[cinder lagoon]

Ehh never heard of that software before but do the lines appear only in the preview or also the output?
When in doubt - reinstall windows lol

[frozen igloo]

I can’t reinstall windows unfortunately since tricaster (a windows based video production system) uses windows embedded and isn’t all that feasible to just reinstall. The artifacting only appears on sdi inputs 1-4

[cinder lagoon]

Ouhhh sounds like a hardware defect tbh.

[cinder lagoon]

Anybody think I can do anything Home-lab-ish useful with a 4port 100mbit switch that consistently pulls 4W?
It also does WiFi 2.4 GHz.

It's actually an old router/dsl modem/Access point combo device

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/xNlbzMFGY_k

[jade scaffold]

Nvidias next data centre GPU has ROPs

It appears to have 32000 CUDA cores 256 ROPs and a 512 bit memory bus available at the end of 2026

Speculation is that this chip will end up being the 6090 if it gets cut down the same as the 4090 and 5090 it'd end up with 30% more cores than the 5090 making it 30% faster assuming 0 clock speed changes or memory bandwidth improvements

What's really interesting about this is how fast Nvidia have developed Rubin 30% may not be huge gen over gen BUT they are currently in the prototype stages and it's not even been a year since Blackwell

To me this shows Nvidia if needs be might be capable of +30% improvements year over year which is an incredibly fast rate of improvement

30% year on year would put Nvidia at 70% every 2 years approximately which is what ampere to Ada roughly was

AMD are really going to have to pull their thumb out of their asses for this next gen otherwise Nvidia are gonna keep holding back to +30% like they did with Blackwell

[surreal moss]

Reminds me I need to update my estimate for an AI server

[cinder lagoon]

...Maybe I should look into a GPU upgrade 🤔

Got a Radeon 7800...
always liked the style of the 30-50 Founder Editions.
Might spring for a used 4090, heard they are pretty power efficient and price worth in comparison to 50 series

[jade scaffold]

Yea 4090 or 5080 you can get a 5080 for less but it's slower

4090s still kinda go for MSRP

[cinder lagoon]

msrp tho - not above msrp xD

[jagged star]

If feel like the fact a windows install requires a working computer is a bit of an oversight.

[cinder lagoon]

a little xD
I don't know, why microsoft doesn't have an android app (at least) that lets you use your phone as a bootable windows stick.

it would be totally possible!

[cinder lagoon]

https://www.drivedroid.io/
here :)
of course, google nuked the app from the playstore (god forbid, someone use their phone like the linux pc it is!)
in turn, this app seems to have been discontinued (and the website aswell)

it even does persistant images so you could literally carry a windows install on your phone haha

https://github.com/JinbaIttai/phonestick
this seems to be semi-recently

[jagged star]

This looks like pain

[jagged star]

ah its fine now after 3 hours my system found where it misplaced system 32

i just need to speed run making a boot drive now

[cinder lagoon]

😂

[jade scaffold]

yea im just saying you can get like 90% of the performance for $600 less

5080s are MSRP now pretty much

[jade scaffold]

Uh holy shit

[mossy gull]

Holy frioly

[sonic meadow]

tbh thats the only way that someone else was going to work on modern x86

[jade scaffold]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/nvidia-and-intel-announce-jointly-developed-intel-x86-rtx-socs-for-pcs-with-nvidia-graphics-also-custom-nvidia-data-center-x86-processors-nvidia-buys-usd5-billion-in-intel-stock-in-seismic-deal

This could like gut alot of AMDs product stack though hell its gonna make a mockery out of arm chips for laptops for the most part

[cinder lagoon]

ahhh now i'm picking up what ur puttin down

[cinder lagoon]

huh, suddenly I'm cured!
who could have thought that dropping another 1000 bucks on a USED GPU on top of the buy-in-price of the old one would fix my craving

...nvidia doesn't seem to sell founders edition in germany?
tho those prices for the third party ones seem downright reasonable!

[jade scaffold]

ill give you a quick dirty over clock that'll give you 11% more performance

+375 core clock
+3000 mem clock
max the power slider for fun enjoy

[jagged star]

Them prices are insane no wonder they have like a 60% net profit

[cinder lagoon]

Well yeah but I still need the GPU lmao

[jade scaffold]

Mobile discord can only use hands free call mode

You cannot force it into medis only mode

Meaning it bricks all phone audio if you join a voice chat and lowers audio to the quality that it's bordering on completely unusable

[mossy gull]

It because Android for some reason only can use 1 audio channel at the time while Linux itself can use multiple at the exact same same.

[jade scaffold]

That's not why

Discord uses call mode not media mode so where nothing else does and yea android can apparently only use one of those at a time

[sacred seal]

Pretty sure it can, some android variants allow for two apps, to be open at once

[mossy gull]

That's still only 1 audio channel though, because you can't call while listen to music

[sacred seal]

I think you can on those

My LG g4 had that feature

[mossy gull]

I know the Pixel 8 Pro can, but only if music is on Bluetooth, which isn't really another channel and more like data transfer.

[sonic meadow]

The majority of Bluetooth audio devices can be on either headset mode or headphones mode. And not both. There are bandwidth reasons for this typically

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/jKLuxWFUIm4

[jagged star]

Ah yes ofc

[sacred seal]

Fun... At least its a pretty clear error, should not be too difficult to fix

[jagged star]

Whole os is dead me thinks, guess no better time to install w11

[sacred seal]

You would be suprised, as long as the OS loads it normally can be brought back to life (at least partially).

[jagged star]

it's just gonna be a bunch of bones brought to life with animatronics

This is the 4th time

The task bar didn't exist

Neither did task manager

Also windows 11 looks horrible

[cinder lagoon]

"Nearly Done"...
go home Microsoft, you're drunk 😂

[runic thorn]

The MS Store has told me twice now that I should restart my PC because Paint needs to finish installing. Yeah nah.

[mossy gull]

Heya, does anyone know how long the Meta Quest 3 last on battery when you use the outside pass through?

I want to make a Cosplay helmet but sadly it will be a helmet without visor.

[cinder lagoon]

Good thinking!
I'm guessing not much of a difference to regular vr, maybe even slightly longer because there's no actual rendering needed.

would definitely advice for an exchangable battery pack integrated into the cosplay!

Do you already have a quest 3 on hand?
If not you could approximate the runtime by running a game on your phone and comparing it with the runtime of just having the camera app open - should deliver comparable results.

[mossy gull]

I do not have a Quest 3 yet, but I can film on my phone for roughly 4 hours in 4K60 as long the phone stays cool.
I doubt the Quest 3 reaches that.

I was thinking on getting a 2nd hand Quest 3 considering I probably have to dismantle the front of it.

[jade scaffold]

Not long

[mossy gull]

But what is "not long"

[jade scaffold]

You can get extra batteries for it

Like less than an hour

You could get a different head straps for it tho thoes can have additional batteries in them and you can use an external battery too

[mossy gull]

Well, the head straps will be removed as it'll be part of a helmet for Cosplay, but I kinda need the time so I can have batteries in the suit for it

[cinder lagoon]

Thats not the test I am suggesting.
Encoding takes a significant strain on the processor and just displaying should not.

Ok, HOW ABOUT you get something like Google Daydream that you will put your phone into?

[jade scaffold]

The difference is the quest 3 runs like 6 cameras and a depth sensor

Battery in mixed reality is less than an hour maybe if you aren't running a mixed reality game you can possibly get more

[cinder lagoon]

YES, but it's not encoding or actively 3D rendering anything worth mentioning

You don't need much as a viewport, do you?

So why not go with 2D camera and fake stereoscopic image?

If you wanted to reposition the quest's cameras in any way it would work anyway

[mossy gull]

It's primarily just for a HUD or "digital viewport", no gaming at all

[balmy flicker]

so what are some good mike included over the ear head phones

my G935s are falling apart

[cinder lagoon]

So you mean a headset?

Wireless?

I heard HyperX Cloud 3 are pretty good

Or whatever they called

[mossy gull]

HyperX Cloud whatever Wireless

[balmy flicker]

yah

what makes that the choice?

I liked my 935 and it has done fairly well Nearly 3 years service and dropped more than is fair share of times

[sacred seal]

Unless you need something for travel or you are regularly away from your desk, I would recomend a stand alone mic and a dedicated pair of headphones

[balmy flicker]

I am not doing any thing that requires good mike audio outside of maybe interviews

granted I could get a hyper x and mike for the same cost as my old G935

[cinder lagoon]

Actually - if you don't NEED it to be a mic + headphone combo, please choose the Desktop mic + (wireless?) headphones route.
Everyone on the other end of your communication apps will really appreciate it! :)

For the standalone headphone I can really recommend Sennheiser Momentum 4 (over-ear).
It's not cheap but it's really good audio, really comfortable, and has great battery life (easily 30h with ANC). Works wired (3.5mm jack or USB-C) OR wireless through bluetooth.)
These headphones are for hobby AND your main use case. I use mine daily as a gaming headphone and often when I'm on trips / public transport. Good noise cancellation aswell.
As for the desktop (or boom arm?) mic someone other than me probably has better recommendations, tho I got a Mic + Arm combo from "Neewer" on Amazon for 50 bucks.

[mossy gull]

Or a modmic

[balmy flicker]

I literaly will not hear the differnce between these head phones and my curent ones

yah that is way out of the budget

[cinder lagoon]

The antlion mod mics are INCREDIBLY expensive tho

[cinder lagoon]

I'm still advising for a separate mic because the other end will :P
was pretty certain that such a high end audio product would not be in-budget but worth a suggestion anyways

[mossy gull]

But they're incredibly awesome though

[cinder lagoon]

It can't be better than a mic that's like quadruple the size tho, can it? 🤔

[balmy flicker]

this hyperx bundle makes for sense for me if I get a stand alone mike
I was not talking about mike quality just that my hearing is not tuned to need or care about high quality audio I only need good (I can tell between ultra cheap ear buds and my head set)

my only consern with it is why it is still cheaper than the 935 that I have (other than brand tax) the hyperx sounds like it is better built

[mossy gull]

HyperX mics are generally pretty good for the price, plus come sometimes with sexy lights.

[cinder lagoon]

This Sounds good - the table mic will probably have an easily discernible quality (anbd clarity) difference to the mic-arm but you'll have the option and the mic-arm is disconnectible afaik

[balmy flicker]

it is min3.5 jack on the arm

looks like that is what I will do shame the build quality on the g935 is kinda meh the frame on them is toast

[vestal stirrup]

Was just gifted a 4u server with 2x 8 core cpus and 256 ddr4 ram. Really tempted to keep it, despite the higher electricity cost

[mossy gull]

Storage server

[vestal stirrup]

More like space heater

[mossy gull]

Nah, a Threadripper with 2 shunt modded 7900XTX is a space heater

[vestal stirrup]

That would be massively overkill for whatever I would use it for

I plan on tinkering with it, see how many services I can run

[mossy gull]

Services?
What do you mean?

[vestal stirrup]

Instances of game servers

[mossy gull]

Fair enough

[vestal stirrup]

What is your use case for that?

[mossy gull]

Usually light 3D aerospace simulations.

And we need as much VRAM as possible while not skimping in performance.

I didn't have enough money for 2 4090s at 3K a pop, and the 4080 is slower than the 7900XTX because it has less VRAM.
So I got 2 7900XTX at 1200 a piece, and as soon I saw how well a shunt modded 7900XTX I started with shunt modding 1 7900XTX, and a year later I also shunt modded the other.
The programs we use can use 2 GPUs at the exact same time without SLI/NV-Link or Crossfire as long we use Studio drivers.

And even then these real time simulations live render at max 4 fps on 2 shunt modded 7900XTX.

That system has been collecting dust since I got sick in June😅

Only downside, if you want to try to shunt mod your GPU, it requires soldering and really good cooling

[cerulean helm]

Fuck. I'm building a cold storage backup for my NAS and got everything but the drives. And then find Ironwolf pro 12tb drives on sale for $209. I need 4...

[surreal moss]

https://tenor.com/view/money-cash-hairmoji-bounty-bountystudio-gif-15999195

[cerulean helm]

I don't think storage is going to get any cheaper anytime soon either with all the data centers being built.

Ohh, Bonus. Redeemed credit card points and paid for just over half on the drives.

Going to be real fun building out this cold storage unit. I am using a Beelink mini pc, a Terramaster 4 bay DAS while running proxmox on the Beelink with a TrueNas Scale VM.

[surreal moss]

Oh hell yeah

[mossy gull]

I would go with server HDDs
https://serverpartdeals.com/

[surreal moss]

Not much of an improvement price wise

[mossy gull]

Higher quality HDDs pretty much 😅

[cerulean helm]

I've used those guys before. In fact my current NAS is using an intel SAS SSD as its boot drive currently. My Kingston nvme died and that was all I had on hand. Also have 4 or 5 Micron enterprise 2.5 SSDs from them. For my Homelab stuff, I will definitely be using them for used hardware. Sticking with the Ironwolf Pro drives that I got on sale for my cold storage.

[cerulean helm]

Well, the one good thing about summer finally being over is my coolant temp drops in the main rig, lol. GPU sitting at 25c at idle.

[mossy gull]

You also can have a complex liquid cooling that moves the radiators outside the room, that you you barely have issues in the summer, 😏

[cerulean helm]

LOL, unless I want to run coolant hoses to the basement. That's the coolest part of the house. It was HOT this summer. We had hit heat indexes of around 40 C for almost the entire month of August.

And, I'm not sure I am going to do watercooling again. Outside of the gpu fan noise, its not really any cooler.

[mossy gull]

I have like 2 radiators outside my house, even on a hot day I barely increase the heat of the system.

[sonic meadow]

You would think that being in a house full of pc and tech junk that finding a usb printer cable would be easy... nope 😦

[cinder lagoon]

it's just a USB A to USB B, right?

those are hellishly rare nowadays BUT: Monitors with USB hubs use them!

[sonic meadow]

Usb2 though, the usb3 ones have the tumour on them that stops then being backwards compatible. And I can trip over three of those without thinking

[cinder lagoon]

ohh it's a micro-b USB 3?

never saw the thin ones on a printer

[cinder lagoon]

yeah I mean those

[sonic meadow]

Tumour

[cinder lagoon]

hang on

ahhh yeah

crap lol

I mean... do you have wirecutters available? xD

[sonic meadow]

Tbh all of the non-a 3.0 usbs had a tumour...

[mossy gull]

Not the duplex Mini-B, but those are by far few of the rarest cables out there

[covert valve]

Heyo. If I was looking for recommendations for a new gaming laptop, would this be the place to do it?

[cinder lagoon]

I think we just recommended someone one in #1423684242101112862
You should probably open a thread with your constraints / requirements (soft + hard budget, what you wanna do with it exactly, etc)

[covert valve]

Ok, thanks. 🙂

[balmy flicker]

only seen that one on computers with cash drawers

[surreal moss]

I have one plugged into my monitor at work…

[surreal moss]

DGX Spark is now shipping

Gib Station

[sonic meadow]

its not uncommon for things like usb hubs in monitors, hard drive docks/enclosures, or things that are expected to be more "permanent" than say a portable drive or phone or whatever

though I imagine a lot of those are moving towards usb-c nowadays

[surreal moss]

The displays I'm currently issuing at my office use the USB-B connector but have USB-C connections on them as well as USB-A

[mossy gull]

Nice
https://wccftech.com/sapphire-rx-9070-xt-16-pin-connector-gets-cooked/

Wait a minute, 4x8-pin can go over 1KW and 12VHPWR clocks to 600w?
Why le fuck don't we just use the 8-pin?

[jade scaffold]

Ah yes 32 bigger pins can do more power than 1 small 12 pin

Duh

And we don't use the 8 pin because it's massive

Like the 12 pin is not a great connector and should have definitely been designed better but it doesn't have to take up an area the width of your hand to power a high end GPU

[sonic meadow]

theres also that by spec the 8 pin can only do 150w, and so four can only do 600w. anything trying to do more than that is out of spec

sure its an insanely conservative spec. but its what the spec says

[jade scaffold]

The pcie 8 pin just sucks as a spec really

Should have never existed

[sonic meadow]

shoulda used eps

[jade scaffold]

EPS is better despite being the same physical connector

[sonic meadow]

same connector, but its not a 6pin despite the extra two pins

and a much less conservative... 288w rating iirc

[jade scaffold]

Yea and that's still pretty conservative

[sonic meadow]

heck you could replace the 8pin pcie with a 4pin p4 for approximately the same power 😆

[jade scaffold]

You could reasonably make a 12 pin connector with the same sized conductors and rate it for 600w+

[sonic meadow]

we have also had this exact conversation in this exact channel about a dozen times now

[jade scaffold]

Yea

It's equinox who keeps forgetting then looping the convo over and over

[mossy gull]

Eh, it's just 12VHPWR keeps failing 😅
Mine luckily hasn't failed yet

[cinder lagoon]

Because they aren't rated for that

[mossy gull]

Interesting🤔
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-x9-388h-with-arc-xe3-igpu-scores-over-6300-in-time-spy-30-faster-than-lunar-lake

[cinder lagoon]

Daaang
https://www.hackster.io/news/the-shrike-lite-combines-an-fpga-and-rp2040-for-just-4-3a399884ec6c
If ya wanna tinker around with fpga's that's actually wicked

[balmy flicker]

how good is the hyperx cloud 3 alpha?

[mossy gull]

Knowing HyperX, pretty good

[balmy flicker]

hmm might get it then as it is on sale and they goofed up my orignal order

suposedly has a 300hour battery life which is way better than my old headset

[mossy gull]

Usually I see it as 300 devided by 2 and that's what you should expect

[balmy flicker]

still way better than what I have the last more like 60 hours at best

[vestal stirrup]

So I was gifted a server from work as the parts are OoS now. It is an intel S2600CW board, 2x 2620v4, 256gb ddr4 2400mhz ram.
Now I know the tech is old but I am using it to learn about server hardware.

My question is, what good projects could I do to learn the basic to intermediate level skills ?

So far I have set up proxmox with docker and in the process of figuring out prometheus for server monitoring

[jade scaffold]

create a NAS/SAS

it requires alot of basic skills and is super easy to do as a first project

[cinder lagoon]

Hell yeah, totally go with a NAS
proxmox is a good start but it won't teach you much about networking (even with the docker containers)

[cinder lagoon]

did you know:
Bluetooth peripherals apperently can keep working in the BIOS, if the bluetooth adapter supports it?
I've just seen in windows event log that it "couldn't save bluetooth authenthification codes on the local bluetooth adapter. Bluetooth keyboards might not function in BIOS during boot"

also I've just found out how to easily diagnose / fix my PCs sleep issues

....now onto mine...

[sonic meadow]

Not surprising. Modern bios (actually UEFI) is basically a while OS on it's own

[jade scaffold]

Beeeeg fan

[mossy gull]

Big spinny boy

Is that a 14cm fan?

[jade scaffold]

yea

140mm x 38mm

[mossy gull]

Biiiggg spinny boy

[sonic meadow]

I've got a pair of full (double?) thickness 120mm fans somewhere. Wish I had a use for them 😆

Also probably around the power limit of a motherboards fan header

[jade scaffold]

Yea these ones are at power limit I think they are 1.1 amps

My use case is to blow air though a really really dense radiator

[sacred seal]

I think this is probably the second weirdest looking bsod I have seen

Even funnier, I have dual monitors and the image on the other one was fine

[cinder lagoon]

lmao thats pretty bad - looks like it has clock alignment issues xD

[cinder lagoon]

most monitors keep the image they last displayed during signal loss - windows only refreshes the main screen durig BSOD

[cerulean helm]

Fuck you Google. I will force Chrome to use Ublock. Chrome updated and broke by Ublock Extention. I have managed to get it working again.

[cinder lagoon]

HUH anyone seen YT collaboration videos?? How long did this exist?

[runic thorn]

I've seen that in music videos for... a week or two maybe?

[rancid plank]

Anyone have any good reccomendations for audio / video editing software? I'm starting a podcast and my school just ended their Adobe partnership in June

primarily more audio. Eventually we want to have visuals and stuff but that's a long way away

[mossy gull]

Do you use a Mac, Windows, Debian or Arch machine?

[sacred seal]

Assuming windows davinci resolve is pretty well the best free option

Vegas pro is another option for paid software that is pretty cheap (at least relative to others)

[surreal moss]

I’ve been getting good use out of Resolve

[sacred seal]

You could technically use blender, but that is not really its intended use case.
For audio only audacity is a good free option

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah, audacity just had a major UX upgrade

Otherwise - yeah... davinci resolve, blender

[mossy gull]

Isn't Davinci Resolve even supported on Debian?

I just checked, it's supported on Debian, Windows(X86 and ARM64) and MacOS.

[cerulean helm]

So, it seems as though pc hardware is going to continue to skyrocket in price. Really glad I managed to get my last NAS drives at the price I did. The memory shortage (fucking ai) has already caused dram prices to rise faster than gold, its also causing Vram shortages for gpus. Oh and Sandisk is already reported its fabs are at full capacity and booked for 2026. They are taking orders for 2027 now.

[sonic meadow]

need more fabs. quickly, someone go back in time 5 years and get one started!

[cerulean helm]

I'd rather start by gutting all the ai data centers first to be honest.

[sonic meadow]

theres been a need for more fabs since before even the crypto boom

theres always a need for more 🙁

the factory must grow

[jade scaffold]

RAM is the main one atm

Consumer GPUs arent struggling as much outside of the 5090 as consumer Dies are super small and easy to make lots of

[cerulean helm]

Yes and its snowballing into other areas. Due to the memory chip shortage its strongly rumored Nvidia has either delayed or cancelled their "super" launch because the new 3gb memory chips "need" to be allocated to data centers. And Nvidia has announced the 5060 ti 16gb card will be in short supply due to the memory chips not being available (they are available, but again ai data centers).

And even HDD are being affected. Sandisk is already at full capacity and their fabs are booked for all of 2026.

So we have memory chips shortage, NAND shortage, snowballing into gpu price hikes, memory skyrocketing in price, and storage going up in price.

[jade scaffold]

GDDR isnt really used in datacentres

HBM is which is a totally different manufacturing process

normal LPDDR5X though does get used quite a bit in datacentres on some CPUs as well as standard DDR5 which is why DDR5 prices are so absolutly shagged atm

[cerulean helm]

Reporting a 3gb GDDR7 shortage.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-50-super-refresh-faces-uncertainty-amid-reports-of-3gb-gddr7-memory-shortage

[jade scaffold]

yea memory price though for GPUs isnt really allot anyway

they uh streight up outside of the 5090 hardly use any chips

like the 5080 has 8 memory chips on it. which isnt really alot the issue is going to be splitting the production between the 2gb and 3gb chips both of which will be needed and it takes the same effort to make a 2gb chip as it does to make the 3gb chips so unless they just choose to make only one they have to continuously split the manufacturing of the 2

they could transition to 3gb chips only but that'd give the 5090 probably more memory than they want to give a gpu you can buy for 2k

[cerulean helm]

Okay, had quite the adventure tonight learning more homelab stuff.
Finally got my DAS installed with all the new drives to my minipc. Got proxmox setup. And a new VM running TrueNas Scale. Then had to learn snapshots (that part was easy) and replication tasks from 2 seperate TrueNas systems. That part took hours to learn.

But, its finally up and running. Going to take a very long time though. Have 7.5tb snapshot to replicate using a 2.5 gb connection (but runs at 1.5-2 gb cause the DAS is using a usb cable).

[cinder lagoon]

Daaaang - big project

I've just been setting up my homelab again last week

Well - currently it's just an rPi hosting a bunch of stuff in varying states of docker isolation but the network and routing part was interesting!
Certainly because I wanted subdomains to be routed to specific docker containers but they all use the same port >:)

[cerulean helm]

Well. Project hit a snag. It seems using a DAS with a TrueNas Proxmox VM isn't going to work. The VM keeps crashing while working on a replication task of a snapshot. So, have the install TrueNas itself on the mini pc. No Proxmox for me on this project.

[cinder lagoon]

Why wouldn't it work?
After all, if both are attached to the N etwork there shouldn't be any problems

Anything else is just a routing issue

Ohhh wait D AS... hmmm

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, it doesn't like that I am passing through the drives each via the USB device. Causes USB passthrough instability in QEMU and results in the VM crashing.

Logs after the crash showed:

proxmox QEMU[83742]: kvm: ../hw/usb/core.c:563: usb_packet_check_state: Assertion !"usb packet state check failed"' failed.

The only thing I was passing through Proxmox to the TrueNas VM was the DAS.

Oh well. Means I'll eventually have to pick up another mini pc eventually for a proxmox server.

[cinder lagoon]

How about you pass in an entire USB controller? Usually works better than individual devices

[cerulean helm]

Can't. Wasn't an option listed for the usb controller. Plus, I have aip kvm and a usb to 2.5gb ethernet adaptor plugged into the mini pc as well.

Looking at this mini pc for a proxmox vm cluster though.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FC2HVJXZ?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

Upgradable memory and ssds. Also 4 cores 8 threads. Much better than the N150 I have in the mini pc for my backup snapshots of my main NAS.

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/dU3ru09HTng

[jade scaffold]

i think this video is mostly glazing

Its big claim to fame here is the eye tracking the included WAP is really nice too

but thats the only tangable advantage it has over things like the Quest 3

the Q3 has equivilent resolution and is only 24hz lower on refresh rate and has been doing everthing the steam frame has done outside of eye tracking for over a year now

like im sorry but this thing better be well priced this better not be another index situation where they price it at 1k and then have meta release a new headset at half its cost thats just flat out better

like if this thing is say $650 then honestly thats great

the new steam controler is pretty nifty too

that steam machine pc is probably just a flat out scam tho

that thing is truly a potato

[surreal moss]

They’ll need to actually integrate well together to be a cohesive ecosystem. Which I think they’ve shown they’re capable of doing with the Index/Vive systems being compatible with each other. And then each device being capable of standing in their own is a bonus

[jade scaffold]

the headset and controler are both pretty cool IMO it depends on pricing

if valve price the frame at 1k then imo its DOA because its just a marginally better Q3 that costs 2x as much

thats providing meta dont just slash the Q3s price

[surreal moss]

No way they prove it at $1k when it’s specs compete with the Quest. I figure $600 tops but expect lower

[jade scaffold]

the still have the index at 1k

even though its been outcompeted by everyone since the Q2

[surreal moss]

I figure a full kit for the controller, headset, and Gube will be around $1k

[jade scaffold]

maybe that'd be reasonable

that mini PC is hot dogshit tho

like actually I hate it

[surreal moss]

Not comparing to the Index. The market they look to be going for is the Quest imo

[jade scaffold]

yea but thats what the index ended up competing with too

and in PC VR it lost horrifically

[surreal moss]

I preferred it over the Quest

[jade scaffold]

yea thats just weird

the Q2 has better screens and lenses

[surreal moss]

Facebook/Meta doesn’t need my business

[jade scaffold]

the Q3 and Qpro are indescribably superior to the index

the index's build quality was also truly awful

the steam frame from the looks of things does look alot better built so they've learnt their lesson

thank god

and hopefully just as repairable as the steam deck

which would actually be awesome

[timber barn]

I will get all the new hardware

[runic thorn]

I really want the Frame to be affordable for me. I want to ditch Meta. 😬

[jade scaffold]

If it's like 650 I think that's fine

I'm.just hoping it's not gonna be another 1k headset

[rancid plank]

That's the once I decided on

DaVinci resolve is awesome

[cinder lagoon]

hmmm...
How to circumvent AI Copyright problems 101
Original:

cash_to_expect
object
nullable
The cash amount that will be given by the consumer to the courier. It allows the courier to have change available.

plagiarism

        /// <summary>
        /// Cash amount the consumer is expected to hand to the courier so they can prepare change. | Reference https://developer.wolt.com/docs/api/order#order__cash_payment__cash_to_expect
        /// </summary>
        public Cash_To_Expect? cash_to_expect { get; set; }

[hasty rose]

I currently have a Rival 5 Mouse and it's breaking down at the moment, losing connection at random times, What would be a good upgrade or alternative or should I just buy another one?

[jade scaffold]

Ayyyy AMD have an answer to NVidias ray reconstruction at last yippeeee

[mossy gull]

How long till they implement it?

But from what I seen, it looks pretty promising 😅

[jade scaffold]

It's already in 1 game atleast

Hopefully they can do the driver thing and allow you to force it on in other fsr games

[mossy gull]

Which game?
I only saw pictures before I passed out last night😅

[jade scaffold]

Not sure I just saw that it was in a game and looked pretty good

[mossy gull]

From what I seen it does look good

[mossy gull]

Apparently it's Call of Duty Black Ops 7
https://en.gamegpu.com/iron/black-ops-7-comparison-nvidia-ray-reconstruction-i-amd-ray-regeneration

Not the most graphically accurate game out there

[jade scaffold]

It'll likely get added to cyberpunk too

[mossy gull]

I hope, Cyberpunk has been extremely slow at adopting AMD tech, probably because it's an Nvidia funded title

[cinder lagoon]

Successfully installed Official SteamOS image on a USB SSD on this Huawei ryzen 4600 laptop

[jade scaffold]

Niiice

[cinder lagoon]

literally EVERYTHING just works.

this is the year of Linux Gaming :o

[balmy flicker]

I wonder if it works on intel

[balmy flicker]

ok I need to replace my iPhone (the uber cheap one from 4 or 5 reas ago) I am looking for a midrange smartphone. I have done some reasearch and found that the pixel and samasung A 36/56 are good options but strugleing to find anything that makes better than the other

[jade scaffold]

CPU wise yes GPU wise I don't know honestly

Intel's GPU drivers are pretty decent now but they still aren't perfect and that's on windows they might be even worse on Linux

[balmy flicker]

nah I am running a 3060 then again I hear that Nvida does not have the best linux support

[mossy gull]

They don't, it's pretty finicky

[balmy flicker]

joy

know where I can get more info on gaming with linux

[surreal moss]

You thinking SteamOS or Bazzite?

[balmy flicker]

steam OS as I have a steam deck

[cinder lagoon]

compatibility seems to be pretty good..
just a heads up: if you want to install steamOS on anything other than /dev/nvme0n1 you just gotta change the path in /home/deck/reimage<somethingsomething>.sh

[jade scaffold]

Intel's next gen Apus launch early Jan
When an es sample was leaked as part of a thin and light laptop it performed equivalently to the RTX 3050ti

Chances are even more performance can be achieved with a higher power limit than what a thin and light can achieve

[mossy gull]

That's actually pretty good for an APU

Most APUs are still as performant as strong as a 1660 or weaker.

[jade scaffold]

Yea it uh annihilates the 890m

It's about 2x faster than it

Which tracks both have 12CUs but Intel's CUs are approximately 2x faster per clock

The chips are built on Intel's 18A 2nm node

And while the CPU performance was only a few percent faster there is allegedly a 30% increase in efficiency

I'm wondering if given sufficient power if or not it'd be able to take on the steam machine which would be a big deal because intel panther lake is gonna be cheaper than lunar lake

[mossy gull]

I am wondering if companies will use Intel over AMD.
Especially considering people still think Intel Ultra will still commit Harakiri like the 13th and 14th gen did.

[jade scaffold]

For laptops they will

AMDs laptop game ain't great tbh

Even their zen5 chips fall massively behind intel arrow lake and lunar lake for battery life in laptops

[mossy gull]

Tell that to all the Intel haters, they push hard for AMD laptops, claiming Intel is less efficient and gets hotter.
And only measurement they take is TDP

In other news, and I couldn't verify this with English news outlets, but a Dutch news outlet says there's a rumour going around that Nvidia may stop sending VRAM with their GPUs to AIBs due to memory shortages.

If that truly happens then 1 manufacturer will have much faster cards than another.

[jade scaffold]

Not nessrsarilly there aren't many cards that are vram speed limited

Maybe the 5060ti would see some decent benefit but the 5080 is already capable of memory bandwidth well over 1TB/s with the 5090 doing nearly double that

[jade scaffold]

I'm genuinely very excited

Wanna give one like over 120w of power and see how good it can get

[mossy gull]

Maybe 395+ levels?

[jade scaffold]

Not quite that high I don't think

Not got the memory bandwidth for that even with DDR5X 10000+

[mossy gull]

I mean, AMD is stuck on 8000 something MT/s, and Intel generally is better at memory controllers, so who knows

[jade scaffold]

Yea but the 395 is quad channel not dual channel

[mossy gull]

Wait, how the fuck do they do that inside a laptop/tablet/handheld?

[jade scaffold]

The 395 doesn't have dimm slots that's how

Memory is only soldered

[mossy gull]

Fair enough

[jade scaffold]

Though it will be massively faster than the normal Strix point APUs

[cinder lagoon]

Anyone got recommendations for me and my RX 7800?
Kinda wanna upgrade but not break the bank

[mossy gull]

9070XT?

[cinder lagoon]

Any specific reason why this one?
Thought about going nVidia for some time now 🤔

[jade scaffold]

the 9070xt will be a bit faster not much tho

its not a little faster its like substantially faster still especially where raytracing is involved

its just kinda not a big enough upgrade imo that i could recomend

practically the only other option though is the 5080 overclocked the 5090 and one of thoes cards is infact goofy expensive

[cinder lagoon]

Hmmm I see...
something fairly RT capable would be nice for sure, regular performance is very much a concern tho (having some troubles)
What I can't find any information about is how big the AMD card's maximum texture size is.
Had issues before with games using a texture atlas

For nVidia, they have had > 16k for a while now

[cerulean helm]

Never thought I'd see desktop memory cost more than a PS5.

[mossy gull]

Just wait till you see the price of a single kit of 96GB CU-DIMM memory

[jade scaffold]

I'm hoping prices die down a bit before next year I want to buy a panther lake mini pc next year when they release

[mossy gull]

I hope too to be honest, I was looking how luch 128GB costs, something that would cost give or take 200 to 250, now it's around 1K or even past it.

[jade scaffold]

I just want like 32gb maybe like 48 or something for it

[cinder lagoon]

don't even get why.
can't take more than two months to re-spin up some stupid memory factory
Tech community has seen the writing on the wall for ages.

and it kinda seems like some dark conspiracy that like all major manufacturers had turned down production for so long

[balmy flicker]

you likely have limits on inputs as well even the factory work that I do it takes weeks if not months to spin up dead lines depending on how long they have been dead even if they were only down for a single shift it can take hours to do so. and i am not making any thing nearly as complex as ram. not to memtion how large the demand spike was

on top of the my factory has had issues with inputs and consumable items used to make the product all without a demand spike odd are ram is suffering from similar

[mossy gull]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rtx-5090-xoc-bios-enabling-2000w-power-limit-has-been-leaked

Doom in KiCAD

[cinder lagoon]

I get what you mean but everybody knew demand was rising (if not even spiking) literal months ago
supply chain issues should be kinda ruled out in this case, afaik

[cinder lagoon]

awww heell naww 😂

[jade scaffold]

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lenovo-loq-15-6-full-hd-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-13450hx-2023-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5050-512gb-ssd-luna-grey/JJGSH8FS59

laptop thats better than the steam machine for probably less than the steam machine

[mossy gull]

Aussie model Dell monitor
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/s/M80ye5GcVX

[surreal moss]

Does it bolt to the ceiling?

[cerulean helm]

Uhh. Well. Micron has announced its leaving the consumer market.

[sonic meadow]

oof

[mossy gull]

Sounds like almost all large US companies.

[cerulean helm]

Aren't there only something like 2 major memory chip makers?

[jade scaffold]

3 I think

Micron SKHynix and Samsung

[mossy gull]

Samsung is Korean

[mossy gull]

More than that, most are Asian, but the US companies feel like want to focus 100% on freaking AI.

[jade scaffold]

So is sk hynix

[mossy gull]

And Samsung and SK Hynix keep so far selling somewhat consumer products while Micron wants to pull out of the consumer market.

[jade scaffold]

Well they are shutting down their consumer only brand crucial

Everyone else can still buy and use their chips as before iirc

[mossy gull]

I hope

[timber barn]

How we gonna cosume AI in the future then?

[mossy gull]

We don't, they're gonna consume us.
Look at Cyberpunk where AI attacked humankind.
And Helldivers 2 where AI changed humans in murder bots.
Or Star Trek where AI consumes organics in search of unity and perfection.
And Mass Effect where AI annihilates intelligent life in purpose of preventing chaos.

[cinder lagoon]

Brother wtf u gonna do with 1GB on a pi5?
That's like barely enough to open chrome after the small amount the OS takes up

[cinder lagoon]

Probably on stone tablets if this reality continues...

[cinder lagoon]

There goes Crucial with a whopping 26% consumer market share

I THINK I'm gonna buy a cheap ddr4 motherboard, ddr5 motherboard and just start validating used ram from broken prebuilts and laptops as a side hustle 💀 💀 💀

If I choose a low power CPU for each, some sodimm to dimm adapters it would be like 5 bucks a day in electricity, 150 bucks up front and 2-3 validated ram kits per day, ay?

Bonus: maybe there's still SSDs in the laptops and prebuilts

Broken stuff costs 40 bucks at worst

10€/GB DDR4 3200
At worst 5€/GB in salvage devices, that's a Break-even point after like 30-35 days at worst

[cerulean helm]

Both of them have already stated they will not be ramping up production for 2026. So supply will be even less for consumers with Micron completely leaving the market.

[mossy gull]

They probably ain't ramping up because they have enough and scarcity is just artificial.

[cerulean helm]

I think its more the last time they ramped up the market then crashed soon after and they lost a lot of money.

Either way. Less product for consumers.

[mossy gull]

I just hope my SSDs and RAM don't die in the coming years.

[cinder lagoon]

Thoughts about this

[cinder lagoon]

Lmao think the ads didn't get the memo yet

[jade scaffold]

Changed the ear cups on my LCD2Cs this time they are flannel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965262899004198985/1446995058531369194/image.png?ex=693602a9&is=6934b129&hm=f553d1b187632a6ce2ad6300deb90bbddd229eb11b85a0e229a8a5fe97ccfc5e&

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm flannel? Looks pretty festive, ngl ^^

[tender plank]

A barebones Linux setup to run some services.

[jade scaffold]

Just shoot the steam machine why dont you lmao

This as well in a test that typically favours AMD I believe over intel

[cinder lagoon]

The CPU performance of a pi5 is totally overkill tho
Got a non-barebones services setup on a pi4 and seemingly the ram is the limit

[vestal stirrup]

Can I ask here advice about a server drive cage I am trying to find?

[cinder lagoon]

This one?
https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1433802113221394505
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/86AAAOSw2kBlAZL3/s-l1200.jpg
https://chatgpt.com/share/67d1f771-6084-8000-8016-75459077e8b1
(original findings)
#1048668928186007582 message
#1048668928186007582 message

[vestal stirrup]

Yes this one, I have been having so much fun/trouble with this case

I am trying to change it to a 4x3.5" but can not find the item

[surreal moss]

Do you have a pic of the cage?

[cinder lagoon]

And you want to get another cage to put them side by side?

[vestal stirrup]

I want to swap the 2.5 cage for a 3.5 cage

Not sure I am able to have both, from the diagram

[cinder lagoon]

Unlikely that you're going to find it by itself.
However you could probably 3D Print some hard drive mounting stuff since there shouldn't be any electronics in the bays itself

[cerulean helm]

Well thats great. One of my poe Unifi cameras apparently fried itself early this morning. Pulled it down, tried powering it via a poe injector I have for testing, and nothing. Power circuit must have shorted or something. I had a message log on the switch that it was connected to for poe power that the switch had exceeded its poe capacity just before the camera went offline.
$99 Switch is fine, that port is fine. $379 camera.... dead. Fuck

[cinder lagoon]

Rip - that IP rating did not hold up huh?

I'd be interested, what exactly broke inside

Might be identifiable / fixable if you share some pics :think 🤔

[cerulean helm]

So, I found a reddit thread from someone who does electronic repairs and according to them the power board itself for the poe port likes to fry on that particular camera. Its fixable, but that camera has been eol for several years now so...

And looking at a replacement, the updated version of it has LESS features. They stripped out the 1 gbe port and put a 100 MB "fast ethernet" port instead. on a 4k camera..... And want $300 when not on sale. So, thats a bust. Ended up purchasing the "ai" version of the camera as that has the 1 gbe port.

Looking at the switch logs where if posted an event of PoE availability exceeded I am really consused. I don't see where the power was exceeded. The switch in question has a capacity of 46w. I had 2 cameras (with IR sensors off) and a AP. Using available tech data the max draw of all 3 devices would have been 41w. Log says:
devicePowerUsage=16.71
devicePowerAvailability=46

What?

[cinder lagoon]

Honestly - you should open it up yourself and see if there's anything obvious.
Pcb repair is not that hard

Exceeding Power limit might log differently than regular tracking - it probably also disables power on that port momentarily so there's no fire risk

[cerulean helm]

I gotta see how this camera even disassembles. Nothing external is visible even on the port side for a tear down.

Ah, found a teardown for it.

But of course, that part is not available. So, unless I want to try and repair the board itself and socket on a new rj45 (I don't, my hands are nowhere near steady enough for that) I think I am out of luck. This assumes that board was the failure point in the first place.

[cerulean helm]

Well, after some further digging into the logs, I may have found what killed the camera. I have 3 of the same cameras. The other 2 had firmware updates pushed through on them. They sucefully u[dated. Logs never show the now dead camera updated. The updates of the other 2 were at 3:22am, then at 3:28 the logs show 2 cameras (1 updated and the now dead one) reconnected and finally at 3:28 the now dead camera reported offline.

Checking the companies forum on that update, someone else had a camera die on an attempted update.

[cerulean helm]

Just a strange set of coincidences that all occurred at the same time. Nothing changes the result obviously. Camera almost lasted 6 years of continuous 24/7 recording. Not sure what its expected life expectancy is. But also has me worried the other 2 cameras may also go out soon.

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah thats the input but no actual circuits there (actually good because that means that stuff is physically seperated)

[sonic meadow]

fwiw 100Mb/s is enough for 4k. 4k bluray is typically under that (50GB dual layer discs are about 92Mb/s)

[cinder lagoon]

depends entirely on the encoding processor haha

[sonic meadow]

Sure. But physical video medium is a solid baseline for what is needed

I doubt they would have moved to a 100m nic if it wasn't sufficient. Well I would hope not at least 😆

[mossy gull]

Normal BluRay is 20-40 Mbps
UHD BluRay is 80-120 Mbps
8K BluRay surpasses 5000 Mbps apparently

[cinder lagoon]

...does 8K BluRay even exist?

I heard that 4K BluRay is the last physical media pretty much

at least for full feature-length films

[mossy gull]

Funny enough they do

Just extremely rare

[cinder lagoon]

ahh

[mossy gull]

More rare than 8K TVs

[cinder lagoon]

yeah exactly

[timber barn]

sweet cooling tech https://youtu.be/VFZLnrJkpMI

[stuck summit]

chat, chat, its more than tripling my cpu power, for $99 CAD.

Ryzen 5 5500 outperforms Ryzen 3 3200G by 176% lmao

[mossy gull]

Now double that price and compare to the U7-265K 😅

But yeah, the 3200G has had its time

[sacred seal]

That is probably all core score, single core is not that high. Still a fairly respectable upgrade, but be aware that updating the bios could be interesting.

[stuck summit]

i bought this pc 4 years ago for 350 dollars

[stuck summit]

getting a new board and a new case too

[mossy gull]

That's a pretty nice price

[stuck summit]

all things considered

and its got a 1000 watt gold in it

the only things that come are the ram, the powersource and the gpu

idk whats up with my ram though, its sposed to be faster

[mossy gull]

Those are pretty nice specs, 64GB is a lot

[stuck summit]

it came with the pc lol

[mossy gull]

RAM speed seems to be base speed of DDR4, or 2660 MT/s or 1330 Hz.

[stuck summit]

is that good?

or is this an excuse to also up my RAM

[mossy gull]

Well, not really, it's the base speed, so lets say 3200 MT/s should be overclocked speeds, but not all RAM can do that.

[stuck summit]

this is corsair vengeance

[mossy gull]

You have enough RAM 😅
Majority of people barely use 24GB, let alone 64GB

[stuck summit]

i play arma

its very ram heavy

[mossy gull]

Sadly that doesn't say much as Corsair just sells RAM about just any speed and capacity

[mossy gull]

Then go during gameplay into Taskmanager and see how much RAM ARMA uses

And make the decision by that.

[mossy gull]

Is that while playing ARMA?

[stuck summit]

no thats just my passive

[mossy gull]

30% usage?
What the hell are ya doing?

[stuck summit]

noting

watching youtube

12 tabs open in firefox

sometimes i still lag

[mossy gull]

😐

[stuck summit]

what?

i think its a moba issue, the one i got is on its last legs

[mossy gull]

You're using 20GB RAM and 20GB Page-file while doing nothing 🤣

[stuck summit]

so probably yeah,

[mossy gull]

So, if something is hogging your resources it could be the reason your PC runs not well.

[stuck summit]

i mean, the motheboard is literally loosing its usb slots, i chalking it up to that

im factory resetting the ssd and hdd when i do the new build

[mossy gull]

A fresh reinstall is better than a factory reset.

[stuck summit]

of windows?

[mossy gull]

Yes

[stuck summit]

allright, ill buy it from the microsoft store later, and throw it on the SSD because somehow it ended up on th SSD

in fact theres 2 installs

[mossy gull]

Windows should be on an SSD, it'll run like absolute ass on an HDD.

[mossy gull]

I know the feeling

[stuck summit]

idk what one is running my pc

install on ssd, delet on hdd

[mossy gull]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

Yes, that's an official link

[stuck summit]

and itll delete everything on my ssd?

[mossy gull]

Windows 11 only works on PCs with TPM 2.0.

And if you don't back-up your data, and delete all partitions, your data is gone.

[stuck summit]

im on 11 right now

it updated my windows 10 against my will and didnt give me a free upgrade

[mossy gull]

You and me both🤣
I 1 day suddenly had W11 and I was like WTF because my updates are turned off

[stuck summit]

i have the stupid waermark in my corvner

and it often screws with the stuff im watching

suddenly my bottom corner is frams from4 scenes ago

[stuck summit]

do mobas come with the bios already installed or am i gonna have do use the disk and buy an optical drive?

[sacred seal]

So your current board should support the new CPU without having to replace it, and its a 500 series so it should be compaitible out of the box. Not sure how you ended up with a several year old processor on "modern" motherboard

Motherboards will always ship with a bios, but depending on the board it may not be the version of the bios that supports the CPU you got

A lot of the older boards support ither g series processors or 5000 series, not both at the same time

Any new boards will almost always ship with support for the 5000 series, so if you do buy a new board there should not be any compatibility issues

[stuck summit]

this board is missing usb slots and has to go, im getting a new one,

[stuck summit]

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0BDCZRBD6/ref=ox_sc_act_image_4?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1i getting this board

[sacred seal]

Not a bad option at that price point

[stuck summit]

yeah, debating if i should water cool it our just go with the cooler that comes with the cpu

[sacred seal]

Watercooling a 5500 would be a absolute waste of money

Unless you want to spend 150$+ on a cooler, an aircooler will pretty well always preform better for the same price

And at its TDP, you are not going to have any issues with thermals with a stock cooler

[stuck summit]

gonna get this

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0FD74J8WP/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_9?smid=A1BCKG4OE2CKC4&th=1

[mossy gull]

I would be personally more going to AsRock and Asus.
Through many older MSI and Gigabyte ports I kinda seen it a lot that ports die, even PCIe ports.

[jade scaffold]

ayaneo are making like a gaming phone and I'm so getting this I mean providing it has AV1 Encoding support. Actually portable handhelds my beloved.

[mossy gull]

It's based on the Sony Xperia Play, the 1st renders look pretty good.

[jade scaffold]

Yeee

Would be fantastic for my mobile gaming setup of streaming pc games to phone

Which is why I want AV1 encoding

[stuck summit]

all my msi stuff lasts, i think msi geta alot of needless hate

[mossy gull]

MSI is also known on their laptops of having subpar build quality, and their motherboards are also known to break prematurely.

There's a reason they got the nickname Multiple Serious Issues.

But like always, 1 person can have a good experience while others have a dog shite experience.

[stuck summit]

ive had multiple asus mobas die on me in a year, the current moba i have is msi and had survived 5 years of my pc never being shut off

[mossy gull]

I have the complete opposite, I still have a working Asus DTX motherboard

[stuck summit]

wild.

[stuck summit]

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0D86XH66Y/ref=sspa_ma_st_pt_comp_1/?_encoding=UTF8&ie=UTF8&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zaGlwdHJhY2s%3D&pd_rd_w=Sdion&content-id=amzn1.sym.4e767686-996d-4ec7-8929-0b3f3ec497c2&pf_rd_p=4e767686-996d-4ec7-8929-0b3f3ec497c2&pf_rd_r=3J2J8NE2DPDBHRFRES4G&pd_rd_wg=pd0Hp&pd_rd_r=007f7c73-673d-480f-bb09-ed1410636d06&ref_=sspa_ma_st_pt_comp&th=1 is this overkill?

i stream and i feels like my net is too slow sometimes but i have 3 gig

[jade scaffold]

why does it feel like your net is too slow

also MSI and ASrock mobos are the best atm

everyone elses may as well be ignored as far as desktop pc mobos

[cinder lagoon]

Twitch etc only accept about 2.5MegaBYTE/s if you're not a special partner

10G is overkill for anything WWW related - even 2.5G probably is.

scratch the specific number - i was off - but still magnitudes away from 10G xD
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/broadcasting-guidelines

They say 6MBit/s at 1080p60 (which is their usual MAX)

[sacred seal]

Note that a better nic will not increase your internet speed. Your router, ethernet cable and provider also need to support those higher speeds as well

[jade scaffold]

the main issue for streaming will be encoder

older AMD cards will all ways be frankly speaking abysmal for streaming

older nvidia cards less so NVenc has been arround for a while, and on both amd and NVidia their newer cards support AV1 which is currently the best encoder for streaming though im not sure what streaming sites support it

[mossy gull]

I use my Intel iGPU to record 😅
Because AMD sucks when recording

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/0r6QRQgE7Aw

[stuck summit]

thats what i thought

[stuck summit]

my stream lags when i stream cyberpunk

i wanna stream cyberpunk

[mossy gull]

That also can be that your encoder/decoder has extra strain.

I personally record on my iGPU instead of my dGPU because my iGPU is doing fuck all 90% of the time

[jade scaffold]

Might be something other than your internet speed

[stuck summit]

whats the heck is an igpu

[mossy gull]

It's usually the GPU that's inside a CPU/APU/SOC, it means Integrated GPU.

[stuck summit]

ahhh

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah - most of the time the thread scheduler (core program that allocates processing time) for the GPU just completely allocates everything to the game (just because it's the focused window) and doesn't leave any head room for something like discord or a stream

So using dedicated hardware to stream is the optimal route (an iGPU is dedicated enough)

You gotta tell us more about how you stream

Up until now the discussion was wether/how we could upgrade the GPU.
Completely leaving out the fact wether we should or even need to xD

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/i1SiWE7E48Q

[cerulean helm]

Well. All foreign made commercial drones have been banned from the U.S effective today. All existing stock can be sold (for now) and all existing legally able to keep their drone (for now). Drones are about to get very, very expensive in the U.S.

[mossy gull]

Basically all drones

Because the USA has no USA made drones🤣

[cerulean helm]

It does, but the are expensive.

Most of them are military contracvtors that dabble in commercial drone sales.

[mossy gull]

USA is going way way too far with banning stuff, all they show the rest of the world that they don't want to cooperate without outsiders.

[cerulean helm]

Well. Finally found a PCIE bifurcation card with an onboard chip that supports PCIE 4 and isn't an absurd amount of money. A 4 slot card with onboard bifurcation for $250.

[cerulean helm]

No datasheet on the chip controller but, considering the alternative is Broadcom or Asmedia whose cards are $600+ I'm willing to take the chance. Can always return it if it doesn't work.

[mossy gull]

I am still looking for a PCIe Bifurication adapter that goes from PCIe 5 16x to PCIe 5 8x/8x

But most go from PCIe 5 16x to PCIe 3 8x/8x

[cinder lagoon]

LINK PLS 🤑🤑

I'd be happy enough with a reasonably priced 16-4 pcie switch haha

250 is steep but given the capabilities...? downright reasonable

Merry Chrysler to those who celebrate BTW 🎄

[cerulean helm]

Fuck. I gotta stop browsing stuff. Look what I found.

[jade scaffold]

Do it you know you want to

[cinder lagoon]

Man recently I was meeting up with a friend to celebrate a new TV with a watch party - obviously we went for Avatar (1) - and DAMN it was good!!
It was the first ever "proper" tv for that family and it is MILES past that Samsung 55'' Q8 Series I have...
details you've never seen before
immersion like nothing else (except that darn "AI" motion smoothing)

The OS was actually usable

Now I want one of those LG TVs

Also I learned that Cameron filmed the second Avatar in 48 FPS because of the "eye strain" that people get with 3D - more FPS seems to help there and it's actually brain strain

[cinder lagoon]

Didn't like it at all in theathers but also never got any eye strain from 3D shutter glasses

[cerulean helm]

Finally have dual OLED monitors. Can retire my last IPS panel. Not that its old, 2-3 years I think.

[mossy gull]

I want to go to a 3 OLED panel route, but it has to happen in 1 go

[cerulean helm]

My desk setup will not work for a 3 panel setup unless I want to move my rig onto the floor (I don't). Not that I need 3 screens, 2 works just fine.

But, I need a different monitor arm setup as my current one just barely fits the monitors (and I can't turn my 2nd one hardly at all). So thats on order. Also the new screen calibration tool as my current one doesn't do OLEDs.

[jade scaffold]

What ya doin intel that's too many

It's like the size of a large smart phone

Also under the compute dies it's all just cache

This thing must have like several GB of cache several tb of hbm and then ddr support ontop of that

Will be interested to see if a chip of this scale ever makes it to market

Lenovo are also making a trash can style mini pc for panther lake I might grab that for no other reason than to rob it's probably very very small mobo

[mossy gull]

1 horizontal and 2 vertical to the side, not that space consuming 😅

[mossy gull]

What Intel's doing is making "modular" chips and god knows what they're cooking with their own Fabs.

[runic thorn]

How much smaller and cheaper would that be if you removed all the AI bits? (Rhetorical.)