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[surreal moss]

If I learned anything from the Crowdstrike incident it’s that I keep my bitlocker keys accessible via a different system

[sacred seal]

I don't trust bit locker period. Pcs are not relyable enough, if something goes funky I want to be able to recover my files

Had to turn bit locker off on my laptop less than a week after I bought it because it kept freaking out and asking for the key

I think the airport scanner might have screwed something up

[surreal moss]

Something sounds screwy with how yours was set up. I’ve got it in play on many of the devices I manage at work and haven’t had any problems with it.

[sacred seal]

It was a factory install. But my point is not that mine broke and therefore the tech as a whole is bad, it's that the tech can break and if it does you are up shit creek

[surreal moss]

That’s the case with anything. Encryption or other software/hardware

Modern computers are just so insanely overly complex

[sacred seal]

No, without encryption getting the data off a drive is typically possible.

It might be expensive, but most of the time you can pull most of it

Even if the drive is dead

With bit locker, if something goes even a little bit wrong, your data is gone for good

[surreal moss]

Right, if you don’t want to use encryption then that’s your choice

But the risks with bitlocker exist with other encryption systems

Generally I think people should encrypt their drives and have a bare bones knowledge about how it works and how to use it

[sacred seal]

Yep, don't disagree. That's why I favor file level encryption over drive level

[surreal moss]

Ehhhh depends on the needs

I figure if you’re going to encrypt stuff might as well cover it all by default

[sacred seal]

The only attack vector drive level encryption solves is hardware theft

Which is pretty rare by and large.

[surreal moss]

[sacred seal]

There may be some use case, but I would think that it is completely useless in 99 percent of cases

The risk of hardware or software fault is far greater than hardware theft.

I would argue that drive level encryption is only useful where the value of the data to someone else is greater than the value of the data to you.

[surreal moss]

Hardware level encryption is generally more secure than software level. It’s also more performant.

If you don’t want to use it, that’s fine and your choice. However hardware level encryption is the minimum standard by every security audit I’ve ever conducted and I don’t see that changing any time soon

[sacred seal]

If you need a security audit you are probably dealing with something more sophisticated then a personal computer

And it is likely a redundant system

[surreal moss]

If we’re just talking about personal windows machines then I’d argue you’re at a greater risk of hardware theft

[sacred seal]

I have had tonnes of pc hardware failures, but I have yet to have a pc stolen

I have pulled data off some pretty messed up machines

I have seen more then a few drives where I needed to switch to Linux to get the files off

Well actually just a few. I think 3 or 4

[surreal moss]

I’ve never had my own hardware stolen but I’ve had roommate’s laptops were stolen out of our apartment at night. I know several other people that had their personal laptops stolen as well. Just because we haven’t had it happen doesn’t mean it’s less likely

But again, if you don’t want to encrypt your drives, that’s find and your choice. I still think it’s a recommended security step to take even with personal devices

[sacred seal]

Not only does it need to be stolen, but the thief needs to have the know how and desire to pull the data. Most thefts are only after the hardware

[surreal moss]

which includes the encrypted or unencrypted data on the drive

[sacred seal]

No, they wipe the drive so they can resell it

[surreal moss]

Yeah, I’m not going to trust my local thief to abide by scouts honor and not look at the contents of my drive

You can

And again, back to it’s your choice. I think people should do so. You don’t.
We can leave it at that

[mossy gull]

I only encrypt my drives on laptops, on my desktop it's pretty useless

[sacred seal]

Here is a thought experiment to better express my argument.
Would you rather clone your drive and give it to a stranger, or would you rather destroy the drive and all the data on it?
I think most people would choose the former over the latter.

The data most people keep on their devices is only valuable to the original owner.

I have close to 20tb worth of files on my machine, but only a few mbs of that is worth protecting

[mossy gull]

What about I have it back-upped just in case, but encrypted so idiots have a harder time getting my data.

[surreal moss]

Yeah, I think we’d be better off getting people more comfortable with backups and encryption instead of discouraging either or both of them.

And to answer the question I am absolutely not comfortable handing my unencrypted device to an individual of unknown intent or capability

And I don’t think most people should be comfortable with that idea either

[cinder lagoon]

that is true - tho given that bitlocker has the ability to upload the key to the cloud, has saved my ass (and that of our customers) multiple times.
up until now I've found that keeping it in the cloud (far away from the device it affects) seems reasonable (if you know which account it is being saved to lmao)

i think windows / desktop PCs need some kind of optional boot loader lockdown like android has.
It's pretty much unbreakable except of that one government unlocking software

ahh yea Cellebrite

[cinder lagoon]

This actually seems to prevent phone theft since the device is still paired to the last google account.
Can't flash any software without the bootloader unlocked
can't unlock the boot loader without credentials.

[mossy gull]

At 1st I was very hesitant, because encrypted drives also meant they're slower.
But the difference is barely noticeable.

And back-ups are kinda annoying to do, but you will be less stressed if something does happen to your drive.

[cerulean helm]

Well, the home automation journey via Home Assistant has been a learning experience so far. Currently trying out a different local hosted LLM for the conversation agent for voice. Hoping that a 7B model does better than a 3B model for reasoning speech.

[sacred seal]

Should be a fairly large step up, but ideally you would go for something like a 14b

[tidal birch]

Christ all mighty

Maximum level sketch

[cinder lagoon]

lmao the aliexpress listing

[sonic meadow]

Lemme guess, it's got a DVI and two hdmi?

[cinder lagoon]

I've seen some people put up pre-sale listings for printed photos of the 5080/5090 at market value and put in the description "no refunds, YOU WILL GET A PHOTO, IF YOU ARE HUMAN DON'T BUY"

[mossy gull]

"Founder Edition" and shows a Zotac card.

[mossy gull]

And people still fall for it.

[cinder lagoon]

the $7000 listing is actually reasonable because thats currently the market value on ebay and people actually auction at that price...

[cinder lagoon]

it's meant against scalper bots and I'm actually so here for it.
if you can't understand "if you are human, don't buy" I'm sorry lol

[mossy gull]

People see "5090" and buy it without reading.

[cinder lagoon]

like I said "so sorry for you" (them)

if you have enough money to spend to not inspect the listing, you can afford it or should not have access to that money lol

[sacred seal]

Most of these sites have policies where if the title or picture is misleading you can get a full refund regaurdless of what the description says.

So you are not going to get any scalpers with that

[cinder lagoon]

maybe not long term but at least it eats up their capital temporarily

[mossy gull]

Ah, my favourite pop-up

[sacred seal]

Think I may need to reinstall windows soon

[mossy gull]

I once had that with a broken windows, was pressing enter a lot because of another program so I made half of Windows disappear 😅

[jade scaffold]

It doesn't work tho

[balmy flicker]

how do I tell if a SSD is good or not?

I am looking at getting a 2T M.2 drive (to replace my current boot drive) and an 4T Sata drive to replace my current hard drive.
but I don't know how to tell what drives are good last time I looked into it Intel was still making reliable SSDs and was consided one of the better buys

[mossy gull]

Solidigm and Crucial are very good brands these days

[balmy flicker]

thank you

[cinder lagoon]

never heard of solidigm wth

samsung very expensive and not as great anymore imo

sabrent rockets are great value and quality I've heard

[mossy gull]

Formerly Intel SSD devision

[cinder lagoon]

OHHH makes sense then

[balmy flicker]

the specks on this make no sense

looks like Crutical has the best price but they are only 5000MB/s

[cinder lagoon]

well, the bus maxes out at about 8GB/s

given that drive manufacturers like to be funky around Gibi and Giga etc, I think I can kinda see where it comes from

[mossy gull]

What they don't say is stuff like IOPS, which for games is much more important '

[cinder lagoon]

Feel that

Data sheet should have it tho

Solidigm doesn't do hybrid SSDs like Intel did, do they?

[mossy gull]

They should have indeed.
Because an SSD with 500k IOPS but 4gbps is in games faster than a 400K IOPS and 5gbps SSD.
How odd it may sound.

IOPS indicate how fast an SSD is with smaller files

[mossy gull]

You mean like their Optane?

[cinder lagoon]

Yea

[mossy gull]

They still do, mostly for businesses though.
Not for te average joe, because the average joe thinks "that's a slow SSD" while of you look at their latency and IOPS they're incredibly fast.

But the average joe only looks at raw data output

[cinder lagoon]

Sadge, most consumer optane is gone by now

But thats actually a drive I would recommend for embedded solutions or caching because the system will be much more snappy

[mossy gull]

I know, I would get them if they still existed for consumers, because I don't want to pay 500 just for 2TB

[balmy flicker]

how hard is it to clone a boot drive?

or should I just move all non boot stuff to the new drive even if it is not in the good M.2 port

[cinder lagoon]

Not hard.
HOWEVER:
if you're switching hardware, it is advisable to reinstall windows anyways.

At least if you're switching mobos

I recommend using linux to clone the drive

[jade scaffold]

solidigm have the best iop peformance out of any drive manufacturer asside from intel them selfs

[jade scaffold]

its not hard but its certainly less effort to just reinstall windows entirely imo

[cerulean helm]

Can't. My hardware can't run that big of a model without swapping to the cpu.

[cinder lagoon]

anyone know how to speed up onedrive first sync?

can't live with that eating up my aging laptop for ages lol

[balmy flicker]

no mobo switch just upgrading the boot drive first but that is where most of my used storage is

[cinder lagoon]

in that case I'd recommend creating a ubuntu install stick, booting that and following a tutorial on "how to clone drive with DD" and "extend partition" with gparted

DD is a commandline tool (but really easy, just double check source and target),
gparted is a GUI disk manager.
at the last "(gnome) Disks" app to identify your drives beforehand

[surreal moss]

Not really. Even if you manually copy everything over it seems to just make its own copy of each thing. I just turn it in for my users and let it do its thing

[cinder lagoon]

ehh crap, thanks... will have to do lol. Just got TONS of small files on OD because I keep some programs binaries stored on there

[surreal moss]

Yeah, it’s unfortunately one of those M$ things where if you use it you’re better off just letting it do its thing

My next job is going to be living alone in a cabin in the woods on a mountain where tech can’t find me

[cinder lagoon]

quickly wrote up this quick tutorial, fairly fool proof very reliable but if you're unsure about something feel free to ask:

Clone a Drive and Extend a Partition on Ubuntu

Step 1: Create an Ubuntu Install USB

1. Download Ubuntu ISO from ubuntu.com.
2. Use Rufus (Windows) or balenaEtcher (Mac/Linux) to flash it to a USB stick.
3. Boot from the USB:
   • Enter BIOS (F2, F12, DEL, ESC).
   • Select the USB drive.
   • Choose Try Ubuntu Without Installing.

Step 2: Identify Your Drives

1. Open GNOME Disks (Super (Windows) key → search Disks).
2. Identify the source (old drive) and target (new drive) by size.
3. Note their device names (e.g., /dev/sda, /dev/nvme0n1).

Step 3: Clone the Drive with dd

Run the following command in Terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T):

sudo dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/target bs=64M status=progress conv=sync,noerror oflag=direct

• Replace /dev/source and /dev/target with the correct drive names.
• bs=64M optimizes speed for SSDs.
• status=progress shows progress.
• conv=sync,noerror prevents errors from stopping the process.
• oflag=direct bypasses OS caching for better performance.

Step 4: Extend Partition with GParted

1. Open GParted (Super key → search GParted).
2. Select the target drive.
3. Expect a warning about unused partition or drive space, confirm extension if asked.
4. Right-click the main partition → Resize/Move.
5. Drag the slider to use all available space → Apply.

Step 5: Verify

• Open GNOME Disks to check the new partition size.
• Run: lsblk to confirm partition changes

[balmy flicker]

thank you

that will be use full later

[sonic meadow]

for another fun bit of 50 series bashing... nvidia have dropped support for 32-bit cuda, which also breaks PHYSX in older titles

not helped by nvidias cpu implementation of physx having been deliberately gimped from day 1

[jade scaffold]

Yea

Really shit tbh

Especially with how often old games used physx

[mossy gull]

This is a kick in the ballsack, I still play many old games.

[sonic meadow]

There's less than I thought, but some were pretty notable. Borderlands 2, mirror's edge, assassin's Creed 4 piracy sim, and some of the batman games

[jade scaffold]

Yea Arkham city and Arkham asylum

Mind you both Arkham games are hilariously easy to run cpu wise ordinarily so for those specifically I don't see the cpu implementation causing toomany issues but for some games I could certainly see it being an issue

Can you still use a separate force card as a physx card might grab a itty bitty quadro and do some performance testing

[mossy gull]

I wonder how AMD will step in with this🤔

[sonic meadow]

The cpu physx still tanks in those games

But that's what happens when your cpu implementation was optimized for a 486

[jade scaffold]

They won't

Lmao

AMD have no Physx alternative

And they likely never will

[mossy gull]

I so far have no issue with PhysX games on my AMD GPUs, or my CPU is fast enough to do it😅

[jade scaffold]

And if they did it'd be competing with modern Physx not old Physx

Which they just wouldnt be able to do

[sonic meadow]

This is primarily about games between 04 and 08

[jade scaffold]

Yea most games aren't hyper physics intensive

So you can get away with running Physx CPU side

Not sure how well parallelized Physxs CPU implementation is tbh

[sonic meadow]

The 32bit implemention of the time? Not at all

As I said before, optimized for a 486

[jade scaffold]

Gonna get a quadro a400 as my "Physx accelerator"

[sonic meadow]

So not even simd vector maths like MMX, let alone SSE/SSE2

Nvidia deliberately gimped the cpu physx implementation, likely to make AMD systems look bad

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's not a surprise

[sonic meadow]

In mirror's edge in current systems it will tank down to 20fps in places using cpu physx

[jade scaffold]

Physx was kinda mostly a flop anyway and CPUs for the most part are fast enough

[sonic meadow]

Nvidia expanded it to an entire product suite, but it's mostly in the back and very few of the features require the use of the physx logo splash screen

[mossy gull]

It's good enough on the 245K

[sonic meadow]

Remember that this is only for 32bit games between 04 and 08. 64 bit games, and ones after 08 aren't effected

[mossy gull]

Unless it's a Bethesda game, they have 64-bit games that aren't true 64-bit games😅

Although they usually use Havoc physics and not PhysX.

[sonic meadow]

Specifically ones in this period that use physx

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's old games that ran on cous not even half as fast per core were fine with

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: Skyrim will run better on an 8GHz dual core than a 5GHz octa core.

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/v20kLX76_GU?si=zhPhVc2jy74-3LzW

[jade scaffold]

So will any old game

[sonic meadow]

old 386 era games would like to have words with you.
then again those have as much trouble on 5ghz as 8ghz

[jade scaffold]

I am very excited to mess with strix halo

Is it totally unlocked for tuning?

[mossy gull]

That I do not know but looks like it

[jade scaffold]

I hope the power limit isn't locked at 120w for "desktop" use

That poor GPU choking

[mossy gull]

80w max in the Z13, the thing is, in balanced that would be 40w for the CPU and GPU each, but I know from GHelper, you can adjust that balance, like 20w CPU and 60w GPU

[sonic meadow]

I have discovered that my laptop can just play 4k HDR content (at native resolution). A few stutters here and there but otherwise completely watchable. Was a pleasant surprise.

Did pull around 30w at one point to do so, but it can

[jade scaffold]

Yea which just isn't enough

It's a 9950x glued to a really big memory controller and a Rx 7700 glued to it

Like I would love to see how it runs at 250-300w which is really where it's power limit should be

[mossy gull]

For a thin and light tablet it is😅

[jade scaffold]

Yea but then they should use a CPU GPU combo that makes sense

[mossy gull]

And do what?
Use an RTX 4050?
Which already uses 50w without turbo by itself, leaving even less for the CPU.

I think they chose the Ryzen Ultra because it has 16 cores while also having a much simpler board design.

Not to mention with the display resolution 6GB VRAM ain't enough for people who need more.

And the 4070 variant of the Z13 was sold in very limited quantities.

Which had a TDP of 65w

[jade scaffold]

Didn't mean that meant AMD make a chip that made sense

Like they have no in-between chips really between the Ryzen AI and Ryzen AI Max

Need like a single ccd chip with like a 20 core GPU or something

[mossy gull]

Maybe they start with a powerful chips 1st and then get the weaker chips.

[jade scaffold]

Maybe they shouldnt cram a 300w part into an 80w frame

Like that's just silly I bet it kicks off he chip soooo fat off it's efficiency curve

120w is probably the lowest power amd could go without loosing efficiency on the thing

[mossy gull]

I think it's much better than a 80w 5070 Laptop and an 115w 285H😅

I don't know, maybe they have some weird plans, it's Asus and AMD anyways

They now say this, and then we find out it has a limit to 120w😅

And maybe we get a desktop chip capable of doing 200+w

[jade scaffold]

It wouldn't be though benchmarks are showing it's sat at around the 4060ti mobile mark

Which for an apu great

But it COULD do 4060ti desktop performance with more power

If not even greater performance than the desktop 4060ti

[mossy gull]

To be honest, I am happy with those results, for me VRAM is far more important as the games I play and the stuff I do need tons of VRAM.

And no way Asus is gonna cram a 5090 24GB in the Z13 without some huge compromise

[jade scaffold]

There isn't gonna be an actual laptop 5090 anyway it's just gonna be a 5080 with more ram

The 5090 is just too big and needs too much power it's already ran at lower power than it should be

[mossy gull]

I meant the 5090 Laptop 😂
Not the desktop chip

I heard it's gonna have 24GB, that actually would be amazing in the next Titan

[mossy gull]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/rtx-5080-power-cable-allegedly-melts-at-psu-redditor-reports-another-50-series-failure

🤔

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/s/nFf5KVKTwL

[sacred seal]

The 12pin connector is garbage. Even if it does not cause issues right away, another outlet (I forget which one) reported taking apart thier 4090 system a year after it was built only to find that the connector had begun melting.

So even if it's not an issue immediately, it may be so later.

[mossy gull]

I have said since the beginning this connector is garbage, but nobody listened, we're like 5 years further and the melting still happens.

And always the same excuses "stop using 3rd party cables" or "you didn't correctly plug it in"

[cinder lagoon]

well i mean why would nVidia listen to a random discord user, when they don't listen to their own experts lol

[mossy gull]

And people rather have the best gaming GPU than their house apparently

[cinder lagoon]

yes, der8auer already confirmed that.
it happens because the entire cable strands are overloaded, not only the contact points (presumably some just don't make contact for some reason

[mossy gull]

I also been saying for years, people keep forgiving Nvidia for this issue, but if AMD or Intel had the same issue, they would go almost bankrupt as people would claim they're the worst company in the world and people would stop buying them.

[cinder lagoon]

(ignoring the fact that 95% of their income comes from business customers)

[mossy gull]

And customers that play favouritism

[cinder lagoon]

nah, thats like 2% of their income

[mossy gull]

Few years ago I was reading about MS preferring AMD for AI tasks because they're cheaper when it comes down to price per GB VRAM
I don't know if it was the truth '😅

[jade scaffold]

I went over this when you were touting it before

They don't prefer amd they looked into and for the better vram per cost

Ultimately chose against it because AMDs ai accelerators suck balls

In raw performance they are allright still vastly inferior to to nvidias in that regard

But their main actual issue is no support and no ecosystem. Pluss AMDs comedic efficiency Vs nvidias in ai

[cinder lagoon]

AMD always had more VRAM / $ and they (afaik) practically developed HBM2 specifically for business compute customers
just think about a 1060 3GB vs 480 8GB
didn't have more performance but way more mem

[jade scaffold]

Hbm for business mostly came about though due to the need to process enormous data sets pascal had hbm on the Tesla's and one of the high end quadros

But hbm1 wasn't even that high bandwidth and hbm2 if not implemented correctly was slower than gddr5x was

[mossy gull]

I love how my CPU cooler still has 0 fans

Before you ask, the fans included were 1 mm too tall to fit🤣

[mossy gull]

Vega🙃

[jade scaffold]

Yea Vega which did a shit implementation

Beaten by the gddr5x used by Nvidia

AMD only used 2 hbm2 chips

When using 4 as on GP100 core gpus that's where you see hbms performance shine

[mossy gull]

The only advantage AMD had at the time was with the Vega FE and VRAM heavy games, which were few and far in between.

[sacred seal]

An example as to why you cannot trust GPU vram usage numbers. I have 16gb of vram total, windows is not using 26gb by itself

And if I end the process, it drops down to 2gb

That is the difference between what is requested vs what is actually needed

[mossy gull]

And yet, more and more games use more and more VRAM

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold do you know good GPU waterblock manufacturers where the 1st few letters don't start with E K W or B?

[cinder lagoon]

Alphacool

wait not sure if they have GPU blocks

Thermal Grizzly might also have blocks (they're thinkin about making one for the 5090 at least)

[mossy gull]

Which is my number 1😅
But I need a waterblock for a MSI Ventus 5090 that I can buy from my brother over half a year for 1200.-😅

And Alphacool doesn't make 1 for the Ventus

And EKWB ain't a very trusted manufacturer

[jade scaffold]

Alphacool
Thermal Grizly
inno3d

will be your best bets for a 5090

[mossy gull]

Yeah, I think I am just gonna get an Inno3D

And tell my brother to keep his Ventus

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDlcgILBAXQ

what the hell

[cerulean helm]

Yup, the most expensive gpu is missing hardware.
https://www.techpowerup.com/332884/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-spotted-with-missing-rops-performance-loss-confirmed-multiple-vendors-affected

[balmy flicker]

slow clap and yet some how AMD will still shoot them selves in the foot harder

[sharp girder]

I have an nvidia RTX 3060 laptop gpu and I am suffering from low frame rates on most games I play any fixes?

[balmy flicker]

what games

[sharp girder]

elden ring squad etc.

i run my elden ring at like 20 frames on max settings and like 20 on squad

[sacred seal]

Check that the IGPU is not bieng used

[mossy gull]

Have you considered cleaning the cooling of the laptop?

[sharp girder]

it is not very dusty should i get a air canister and try to clean it anyways?

[mossy gull]

The RTX 4070 Desktop, on highest settings can achieve 50fps.
This is because of raytracing which is very heavy, especially for a 3060 laptop, which is weaker than the 3060 8GB Desktop

[mossy gull]

Do not use air dusters, you have to remove the fans from the cooling assembly if possible.

If that's impossible then you need a somewhat powerful air duster, not Canned air, they use gas that can cause condensation which can kill your fan.

[sharp girder]

Alright I will try to get it cleaned 👍

[mossy gull]

Still, the 3060 Laptop is not powerful enough to run Elden Ring on max settings

[sharp girder]

Would it be better to run on low?

[mossy gull]

Turn off raytracing and don't play higher than 1080p

[mossy gull]

Finally watched the vid, that's bad.
No only catch they flame, they are missing performance.

[cinder lagoon]

given that my work laptop has the same gpu spec (there's a high tdp and low-tdp one tho) I can confirm your findings, that thing slow as fck

RX 7800 plays War thunder like a champ, could even do ray tracing theoretically.
RTX 3060 LAPTOP however.... Medium settings at best.
the 3060 desktop would crush my 7800 tho.

or at least be about the same

[cinder lagoon]

i.E. use the AI upscaling or just play at lower res

[jade scaffold]

yea even on a 1080ti eldenring struggles at 4k

[jade scaffold]

theres no upscaling

[cinder lagoon]

there aint!?

bruh

[jade scaffold]

no

there isnt even propper raytracing

its bootleg raytracing

[cinder lagoon]

no FSR or ..??

[jade scaffold]

no

its a fromsoft game

it cant even do ultrawide

fromsoft dont know what modern technology is

their shit is at best on 2015 GTA levels of advanced

all their games have shit graphics quality too and all run terribly depite that

Their art direction is just really good is all so it doesnt matter that the fidelity is practically 2013 levels

[mossy gull]

Their graphics sucks for the hardware you need to run it at higher settings

[jade scaffold]

even at lower settings their games arent nessesarilly hard to run they are just really really badly made lmao

super unstable frame rates

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold many people are already complaining about the lack of proper PhysX support on 50 series cards, like people who still play lets say Skyrim and Fallout 4, you know, modders, have less fps with the 5090 than a previous gen GPU

Compared to 30 series GPUs pulling ahead when a game needs PhysX

[jade scaffold]

yep

[mossy gull]

So lets see, in less than a month time we have:

• Burning cables and connectors
• Less performance than advertised due to hardware issues
• Lower performance in older games

Nvidia is killing it🤣

[jade scaffold]

dont forget the total lack of any stock atall

[mossy gull]

Oh yeah, lack of stock and having to replace GPUs

Damn, Nvidia is on a roll

@jade scaffold I think I need 3 GPUs🤣
2 5090 and 1 3050
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1iv2a4c/i_bought_a_3050_to_pair_with_my_5090_to_uncripple/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[jade scaffold]

I was just gonna use a quadro a400

[mossy gull]

Eh, I just need a low power PhysX accelerator

It's sad why Nvidia does this to be honest, how much does it cost them to have PhysX support

[jade scaffold]

Yee the a400 you can get really cheap

[mossy gull]

Is it efficient enough you can passive cool it?

[jade scaffold]

Probably

Thats the cooler on it

[mossy gull]

That's a blowern't😅

Good enough for me

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's super low power

Yea it's tdp is 50w lmao

[balmy flicker]

32bit physx is active for what a 6-8 year time span its just some of the most replayed games came out in that time span

[jade scaffold]

yea

Borderlands 2 and Arkham City are 2 very notable games that used Physx

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold even the 5080 seem to be missing ROPS.
Damn, entire 50 series launch is gonna be a huge mess

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/3WfiwdOWNs

[jade scaffold]

jeesus christ

what is happening

gonna check mine now

okay good mines got all its rops

[mossy gull]

Aye, good

This is gonna be one of messiest Nvidia launches

[jade scaffold]

probably Thee messiest

so we have:
Lack Luster performance
Melting Connectors 2 electric boogaloo
Missing ROPs
Abysmal Stock
AIB cards being unaffordable

thats great

[mossy gull]

The last 1 is amazing, 5K for the MSI 5090 GPUs in the Netherlands, what's Asus gonna cost, 7K?

[jade scaffold]

the 5090 astral from Nvidia is like 2.7-3.5k in most places thats insane

the MSRP is 2k

there is not a single msrp 5090 that isnt an FE card

there isnt a single MSRP 5070ti either

amd are going to release their new cards at a stupid price sadly too

[mossy gull]

I am sorry, but for this, I rather get an 2nd hand 4090.

[jade scaffold]

yea honestly a better shout

BUT NOT EVEN THOES ARE CHEAP

thoes are still going for like 2.2-2.5k you are still better trying your luck with the fucking aib 5090s

what the hell is this

[mossy gull]

To be honest, now AMD should launch a card that's between the 4090 and 5090 in performance for the price of like 1800.-
But they ain't gonna do that.......

[jade scaffold]

they cant do it atm

but a $550 9070xt would be cool

but they arent doing that either

they are aparently going for like 900us

[mossy gull]

That's what they should do, but not gonna do

[jade scaffold]

only 100 cheaper than the 5080

[jade scaffold]

while being rather vastly inferior

[mossy gull]

Ever wanted to buy an almost 1500.- costing 5070 Ti?

[mossy gull]

Eh, I mean the 5080 here costs the price of the 5090

And the Ventus cards are known to be cheaply build with bad coolers

[jade scaffold]

thats cos they dont fucking exist

the manufacturers raise the prices when they arent actually buyable

probably why the 5090 is showing as 7k for you

[mossy gull]

This should be illegal to be honest

[mossy gull]

Cheapest I can find the 5090 for

[cerulean helm]

Well in the U.S expect even higher prices come April. If the semiconductor tariffs actually happen its a whopping 25%. So, good luck even buying Intel gpus after that.

[jade scaffold]

anyones gpus

[mossy gull]

I hope the EU won't be affected much

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/RycbWuyQHLY

100w 4060 vs 40w 8060S

[jade scaffold]

How tf you running a laptop 4060 at 100w it's ad107

That's nearly ad106 tdp

The better question really is why would youyhe 4060 desktop can be ran at that power and is nearly 30% faster

I mean regardless tho that's gtx 1080 performance from the 8060s at 40w which is pretty impressive

[mossy gull]

Lenovo does magic with their laptops, most of their laptops are cooled betten than the Asus alternatives

[jade scaffold]

Entry level Xeon 6s incoming

16 cores 136 pcie gen 5 lanes 8 channel memory controller with support for ddr5 6400 for 815 usd

[mossy gull]

Entry level, how expensive?

[jade scaffold]

@mossy gull

There's also a 12 core too I think maybe even an 8 core though don't know for sure

[mossy gull]

Oh, I full speed read over it🤣

[mossy gull]

24 core?

[jade scaffold]

There's a 24 core yes

A tad more expensive than the 24 core HEDT threadripper

But with like 4x the pcie lane count

And 2x the memory throughput

[mossy gull]

I hope it's not like 6 times more expensive

[jade scaffold]

It's like 180 more

I think it's 1580 Vs the trs 1400

[mossy gull]

Oh good

[jade scaffold]

Though really it's more comparable to the TR pro which is 2600iirc

So if you look at it for it's pcie lanes it's actually better value

[mossy gull]

2300 for the non-pro, which I currently have

[mossy gull]

Is it a big little like the Ultra CPUs?

Or full fat cores like the TR?

[jade scaffold]

No all p cores

[mossy gull]

Even better

All HT or no HT?

Would be even more fun if they're the P cores from the U9

[jade scaffold]

With hyper threading too

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/242666/intel-xeon-6511p-processor-72m-cache-2-30-ghz/specifications.html

[mossy gull]

God fucking damnit, I finally got rid of it🤣

[jade scaffold]

Yea this is where I properly approve of hyper threading hyper threading only increases efficiency in all core near full load work loads

Which server CPUs are always meant to be doing anyway

Excited so see if it increases the per core performance over arrow lake

[mossy gull]

I am curious how it'll perform against lets say the U9

In games that is

[jade scaffold]

Probably not great though depends on how boostable intel made it

Also with how much Intel's arrow lake benefits from memory bandwidth if the server chips are the same that chips got uh kinda silly bandwidth

[mossy gull]

So th U9 still would be better for me

[jade scaffold]

Maybe

I don't really know how it boosts

It's a different node to arrow lake too

It's not a tsmc node it's Intel's new node

Looks shockingly efficient too 150w for 136 pcie lanes a octo-channel memory controller and 16 cores at 4.2ghz my epyc needed 250 to do all that

I am planning on getting a new Xeon I'll let you know when I do

[jade scaffold]

But I don't want the 6500p series I want the 6900p series one 12 channels of ddr5 8800mhz

[jade scaffold]

1700 for the max config

for the board alone

aaaaand Preordered

got the 64GB version 128GB is neat but is malicious overkill for anything i'd do with it

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/1z7aco-y4RE

[mossy gull]

Tiny boy

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/-lErGZZgUbY

[cinder lagoon]

just watched it. Here are my issues:

• "affordable" laptop being an i3 in a plastic chassis (environment, dude!!) for "sub-$1000" while there are options that can literally game great, be convertible touch, oled display with AMD APUs for like 800...
• the mini-desktop ain't much of an innovation either imo... mentioning EMI compliance as a feature does not boast trust in the product.
• felt like a school presentation where the talking points are not actually that detailed.
• also felt like a presentation made from a website giving an overview about improvements like you see from apple ("now with an exciting new button to open your camera")

thoughts?

[jade scaffold]

sub 1000 is very clearly a joke

also i3 in a plastic chassis is exactly what all budget laptops are

usually its a Celeron or god forbid a pentium or atom

the mini PC itself is about the Value of it

128GB of RAM a 7600XT a 9950 with 5gb networking with multiple USB 4 ports for 2k

1.7k if you only want the main board and want to provide your own case

most of this stuff is 6 months out so NDAs apply he cant say much other than give an overview of they keynote basically and some lite opinions

[mossy gull]

Can you upgrade a laptop, that has a touchscreen with a U3 or U5 from otjer vendors?

Depending on the price, I might get the tiny desktop to replace a Raspberry Pi.

Sounds insane?
Well, for the size there's not much of an alternative really, especially not with RTX 4060 levels of performance.

I haven't been able to access the Framework website
But a small PC, with similar specs to the Framework Desktop, will cost me 2K, except it has slower RAM, only 8GB VRAM, is at least twice the size, worse cooling, and only 2.5 Gbps internet

[jade scaffold]

I'm very excited to get mine

[mossy gull]

For 2K vs a similarly priced desktop, very doable

[jade scaffold]

Wonder how the connections to the CCD are done

[mossy gull]

Well, if the Z13 with its 80w can reach very good performance, I think pretty well

[jade scaffold]

I mean do they use the Ryzen style one or epyc style one

Epycs use GMI Wide which uses 2 lanes to each chiplet atleast on chips that don't have all the CCDs

Ryzen uses only 1 of such lanes to each chiplet

[mossy gull]

That's a very good question

[jade scaffold]

Looking like it might be gmi wide

[mossy gull]

What does "GMI Wide" mean?

[jade scaffold]

So zen 5 CCDs have 2x GMI links on them

Normal Ryzen chips only use 1 link per CCD even though each CCD has 2 physically this is called GMI Narrow

Some epycs use 2 links per CCD this is GMI wide

[mossy gull]

So Ryzen Ultra uses GMI Wide?

[jade scaffold]

I think it might

[mossy gull]

Interesting
https://youtu.be/RYLUBvISa7I

[jade scaffold]

Pc upgrade for my brother got my beloved 1080ti back

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold I do wonder the performance of the Framework Desktop board, like they recommend an 500w PSU, does that mean the chip has a power limit well above 200w?

[jade scaffold]

no the chips still 120w

but you have a bunch of RAM a whole bunch of USB 4 support and all your drives and stuff

the chip does have PBO though so it may be possible to set a higher power limit than is normally available via CTDP

[mossy gull]

But then why not recommended like 330w, why 500w?

[jade scaffold]

transient spikes silence idk

why the fuck does anyone recomend power supplys for anything

[mossy gull]

But 500w?
Even the MSI Titan 18HX barely goes over 400w, and that thing has a 4090 or 5090😐

[jade scaffold]

Any reason why a GPU would totally green screen under load?

[mossy gull]

Lack of power which causes them to be unstable, something the 7900XTX is known for if you connect a single 8-pin from PSU side.

Driver crash, Windows stupidity, GPU crash, GPU sag.

You name it, it's mostly GPU related.

[jade scaffold]

It's the 3080ti connected via 2 8 pins

[mossy gull]

Through a 12-pin to 2x8-pin?
Or just 2x8-pin?

[jade scaffold]

Through a 12 pin

But it's only like 300w anyway

[mossy gull]

Transient spikes, or else I would look at GPU sag

On my 7900XTX it's only when I connect 2 8-pin from the PSU side that I get the green screen crash, it disappears as soon I connect the 3rd 8-pin from the PSU side.

[jade scaffold]

Can't be sagging

A it's tiny

B it's on a riser anyway

The riser is fine btw works with the 1080ti

[mossy gull]

Maybe the Riser?

[jade scaffold]

Worked fine with the 1080ti

Set the pcie speed of the mobo slot to gen 3 to prevent any kind of riser weirdness

[mossy gull]

The 1080Ti has the power of a 3060 these days😐, the 3080Ti is like 40+% more powerful.

Also some GPUs are more sensitive to ricers I have noticed.

[jade scaffold]

The 3080ti is 2x

[mossy gull]

Maybe the 3080Ti, or the 1 you have is more sensitive to risers

[jade scaffold]

It was the drivers

Reinstalling windows fixed it

[mossy gull]

Always fun when Windows fucks up

[jade scaffold]

I think it was because we installed the Nvidia app to replace GeForce experience then installed drivers through that it got confused

[tidal birch]

If I remember correctly Linus was informed that they used a 500 watt power supply but limited it to about 300 so that it runs with higher efficiency and quieter.

[mossy gull]

I usually install the driver before the app😅
But then I am weird.

[mossy gull]

But if you don't use their PSU, they still recommend 500w😐

[tidal birch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

Could just be your point above to guarentee stability during transcient spikes

[jade scaffold]

Cleaned the 1080ti

My beloved

[mossy gull]

Even then, 300w is a lot for a 120w APU, unless they have made it overclockable.

[jade scaffold]

It may just be over recommending

[tidal birch]

Knowing framework that's very likely. It also could be just to make future upgrades easier. Spend the extra cash now then buying a second one later.

[jade scaffold]

For the frame work desktop they wanted the PSU to be super quiet so they gave it a mega overkill PSU

[mossy gull]

I can get behind that, even my living room PC has a 1200w PSU while only having the 245K and 7600XT

Before you ask, the 7600XT can use 250w, I have measured this on several occasions.

[tidal birch]

I like to go overkill on my PC parts so that I don't need to change out even more components later.

My current PC has an estimated power draw of 600 watts but I got a 1000 watt power supply, that affords me several upgrades and overclock potential for a real long while.

[mossy gull]

The living room PC started with an i7-8700, 1060, 16GB RAM and 450w PSU, then it was upgraded with an R7-5800X and 32GB RAM but kept the 1060.

Then that was upgraded with the 7600XT, but kept the RAM and CPU.

Then it was upgraded with the U5-245K, 64GB RAM and the PSU with the Be Quiet Pure Power 12 M.

[tidal birch]

My current PC is 8 years worth of upgrading. I have a whole list on PCPP of my integral upgrades however that is going to be too long to analyze and type. However, one thing is true. Every part in my current PC is different from how it started except for three things.

1. The Case
2. The SSD
3. The HDD

The case has undergone quite a bit of repair and lost parts but still works fine. The SSD is still running but a little worse for wear but is still kicking.

[mossy gull]

I have had SSDs for the past 15 years😅
Only got some 2nd hand 20TB drives not to long ago in a back-up server.

[tidal birch]

Is there any privacy risk for showing the Crystal Disk Info of my SSD? I don't believe so but just wanna make sure.

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold curiosity.
Is the BeQuiet Pure Power 12 M a good PSU😅

[mossy gull]

Nope

[tidal birch]

Looked up online and they are shared freely so there ya go

[mossy gull]

50%, make sure to replace it at roughly 20%.

But I am gonna nap, need to wake up really early tomorrow, so nightnight '

[tidal birch]

Got it. Honestly. I might replace it sooner. Its been serving as my boot drive this entire time however its always having storage issues because of save data and crap. I just don't feel like going through the effort of transfering my OS between drives.

Night

[cinder lagoon]

Compared to their regular models against other machines with similar performance, easily a 40% price hike... So imo not so clear.

Will be staying sceptical but curious, hope framework does well ❤️‍🩹

[jade scaffold]

probably

i use the bequiet dark power 13 i think

[jade scaffold]

It's extremely clear

The joke is very clearly "I can't tell you the price but it'll be less than insert absurd figure here"

The things are meant to be fucking chrome book alternatives

Keep in mind a frame work with BRAND NEW mid end hardware costs 1000 with the aluminium frame and it's it's pretty much gonna last for as long as framework is around

I'm probs gonna get the low end version for myself wonder if they'll do a more expensive aluminium one

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/5mGzEsRM3hs

[cinder lagoon]

to me it sadly wasn't. could be because of the huge cultural differences tbhin other news:

in other news:
this is EXCITING

[balmy flicker]

oh joy I just installed my SSD and now it is not showing up in windows

[sacred seal]

Go into disk management

Probably not initialized yet if it's a new drive

[balmy flicker]

that seems to be the case it wined at me when I pulled it up

[sacred seal]

You might want to take out your usb stick before formatting the ssd, I am guessing you will want to give it the drive letter e

[balmy flicker]

I think I want to clone my old SSD to it and then make it my boot drive

[sacred seal]

Ah, in that case drive letter won't matter

[balmy flicker]

I not sure yet though my boot drive is 5 years old and full

but the d drive is an old 3in 5400 rpm spinner out of a lap top

[sacred seal]

Personally I run a 1tb is drive and a 2nd 4tb ssd for games and other large programs

[balmy flicker]

new one is a 2tb drive

[sacred seal]

Basically why replace when you can add

[balmy flicker]

I am planning on keeping the old drive but the 2 M.2 slots are not equal the new drive should be faster

[sacred seal]

Ssd speed is more myth then practically, outside some specific tasks. But cloning is easy and a viable solution

[balmy flicker]

the slot it is in atm is under the GPU while the boot drive is butting against the CPU

fair

[jade scaffold]

Fuck

[cinder lagoon]

Still have my cloning guide?

[balmy flicker]

Yep just about to sart cloning

[mossy gull]

Have you tried running the GPU without riser?
And see if same thing still happens?

[jade scaffold]

its almost certainly not the riser

[mossy gull]

I would say, still try it

[balmy flicker]

this correct?

[jade scaffold]

it still happens with pretty much no data running through the PCIE lane just having it ran in ram causes the green screen

and for the drivers to reset

i think the cards physcially just dead

[cinder lagoon]

Looks right. Photo of gnome disks?

[balmy flicker]

source

target

[cinder lagoon]

Yup. Spimds good

[balmy flicker]

terminal is case sensitve isn't it

[cinder lagoon]

Mostly yes

But in this case not

[balmy flicker]

figures use lower case m

[cinder lagoon]

Just wanted to confirm in/out files, looks good to go.

No wait

You need to NOT specify the partitions

So leave away the p1 at both locations

My bad

[balmy flicker]

shoot just started it

with the p1

[cinder lagoon]

Just press ctrl+c

That stops commands

Doesn't hurt tho

[balmy flicker]

how do I tell if it stoped

[cinder lagoon]

You get the green prompt at the start again?

Just press arrow up then

[balmy flicker]

like that

[cinder lagoon]

Yes

Press arrow up to recall the command, then use arrow keys to edit

[balmy flicker]

fixed

[cinder lagoon]

Yes, hit it jeff

[balmy flicker]

and it is running

[cinder lagoon]

Speed reading?

[balmy flicker]

after it is done and I have confirmed that it work I will want to remove the old SSD to test that evey thing works as it should before formatting the old drive

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh, for sure

Might also need to switch the boot option in uefi

Windows does not support having two drives (one cloned like this) attached at the same time. It will disable one and complain about duplicate Partition / drive IDs

[balmy flicker]

makes sense

[cinder lagoon]

So if done, shut down the system and disconnect the old one.

[balmy flicker]

has nearly a full terabyte to crank on so...

I only had 60gb left

[cinder lagoon]

It clones the entire drive bit by bit, does not care if "used" or "unused"

Before you shut it down tho, remember to adjust partition size with gparted!

[balmy flicker]

well now to let it work and pray it is not like the time I payed some one to do this (it took them 2 weeks to do it thanks to the old SSD failing and corrupting the save) in the end they barely got windows off of it (it was a 125g drive with basically just windows on it and one of the ones that uses drive space as psudo ram to boot)

[cinder lagoon]

Ughhh no wonder haha

What's the current speed?

[balmy flicker]

admittedly the PC was barely booting by the time I sent the PC in

737 MB/s

[cinder lagoon]

Not bad

[balmy flicker]

old drive is an intel one they were not as fast as samsung but were still one of the better options and the new drive is faster than some of the samsung options

well now to go do some cooking

[cinder lagoon]

700 is plenty fast for such a long continuous read

[balmy flicker]

oh I am happy about it

[cinder lagoon]

Probably getting a bit warm too

If you want you can view drive status in gnome disks in the 3 dot menu in top right

[balmy flicker]

benchmark?

[cinder lagoon]

hmm i meant the SMART DATA but that's greyed out for some reason

anyways

[balmy flicker]

figgured oh well

thanks for the help

[cinder lagoon]

^^

[balmy flicker]

hmm it is not letting me resize my data partition

[cinder lagoon]

what's it saying?

maybe need to check for file system error first for it to recognize 🤔

[cinder lagoon]

wait no u should use gparted to resize

it is also preinstalled

with gparted you can move all the support/recovery partitions to the end of the disk, then extend the data partition

[balmy flicker]

it looks like I only need to move partition 4

[cinder lagoon]

no, you should move all so they stay in order

[cinder lagoon]

thats your old drive

need to change in the top right

[balmy flicker]

I am a dumby

[cinder lagoon]

forgot to mention, should add to instructions

[balmy flicker]

start at the back and drag to the very back

[cinder lagoon]

yee

tbf I found those OEM partitions never really that useful... except of the microsoft recovery, I mostly just delete them / do a fresh install

[balmy flicker]

odd it is not letting me reize it with a key

[cinder lagoon]

maybe first need to apply?
resize greyed out in right click menu?

some operations it can completely queue, some need to apply first for some reason

[balmy flicker]

still not letting me

[cinder lagoon]

ahh wait I noticed something... do you have bitlocker active perchance?

no doesn't seem like it

[balmy flicker]

not that I know of

[cinder lagoon]

wait bruh it is mounted

[balmy flicker]

cause the og drive is not lock

[cinder lagoon]

right click, unmount, apply, extend

[balmy flicker]

IDK why it was mounted and the other one was not

[cinder lagoon]

the key means it's "in use" / mounted

[cinder lagoon]

ubuntu auto discovers usually

[balmy flicker]

ahh it was being" helpfull"

[cinder lagoon]

yees

usually it is.. not when fiddling with that tho

[balmy flicker]

welp it all checks out now to power down pull the old drive and test the new one

[cinder lagoon]

yup

:)

[balmy flicker]

then hop back into Unbuntu to format the old drive

but that can wait for later

[cinder lagoon]

yup

[cinder lagoon]

for that you'll want to use the format drive option from here, then choose "nothing" and not overwrite.
That way you could still potentially recover stuff if shit goes sidewys

[balmy flicker]

well the new boot drive works

[jade scaffold]

It was the PSU itself

[cinder lagoon]

nice, glad to hear that.

[balmy flicker]

now to preload wilds

[cinder lagoon]

Anyone rock linux on the main?

How is it even possible, that the linux kernel refuses system hibernation if you're using secure boot lol

I seem to have found 2 partly accompanying guides on how to make it happen anyways but like it's the year 2025, and this is one of the reasons why linux isn't taking off...

https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/757776
https://superuser.com/a/1417510

Gonna try that this weekend

[surreal moss]

I have one user that uses Linux full time for his desktop. I think that’s a Debian install but I don’t remember which franework he uses

[cinder lagoon]

God, backing up to HDD via USB Adapter is taking ages....

So glad SSDs, let alone M.2 is standard now

Don't mind the duct tape ingenuity fixing a self-Made problem caused by Microsoft engineers

[cinder lagoon]

...so the 1000GB SSD now took 2 hours to backup, at an average of 138MB/s....
This was horrible to endure, especially cause it was an offline backup...

[jade scaffold]

Fuuun

[mossy gull]

Gigabit connection?

[jade scaffold]

Probably just copying being slow

Coppy is very rarely multi threaded

[sonic meadow]

thats faster than gigabit. likely a USB bottleneck in some way

oh, HDD... speeds are a tad slow for modern spinning rust, but within bounds

[jade scaffold]

Nah that speed is about what id expect from a harddrive

[sonic meadow]

as I said, within bounds

[jade scaffold]

They can in theory so more they never do in practice frankly thats pretty fast for a harddrive

Though I honestly doubt the speed would be much faster on an SSD coppy operations are just never multi threaded by default sometimes better to use a 3rd party coppy tool for multi threaded support

[mossy gull]

Copying small files is rarely fast unless you have insanely high IOPS and good cooling

[sonic meadow]

they looked to be using a block rather than file based copy, so file sizes are irrelevant

[cinder lagoon]

Nah - Direct USB Dock. No server involved. 🥲

The dock wasn't very expensive so I'd guess it's not that fast but the platter is brand new

[mossy gull]

Cheap USB hubs have mediocre speeds😅

[cinder lagoon]

Not a hub - an HDD dock

Still

[cinder lagoon]

Seems the in-place-encryption is working splendidly

[mossy gull]

Just saw this picture on Reddit, like damn, Nvidia needs cards where the connector is like this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/3jAYGn78zF

[mossy gull]

Now I am curious, are Nvidia AIBs fucking stupid for not doing this or are AMD AIB actually smart?
Or does Nvidia forbid their AIBs from doing this and AMD doesn't?

[cinder lagoon]

Absolutely!
No idea why nobody has the connector facing the back

[mossy gull]

I have the feeling Nvidia forbids their AIBs from doing this

[cinder lagoon]

Nvidia has the connector specifically facing the front.
Like they're showing off

AMD is like pretty chill regarding aib designs afaik

The AIBs had much more time to design aswell

[mossy gull]

AMD allows AIBs to choose if they want to keep the 8-pin or go for the 12-pin from what I know.

[cinder lagoon]

Some say that's Nvidia had like barely a week or similar

[mossy gull]

Nvidia likes to do everything on the edge, 1 of the reasons EVGA got enough of Nvidia.
(to be honest EVGA should've gone to AMD just like XFX, but they didn't want to betray Nvidia even Nvidia did it 1st to them)

Even then, AIBs have enough time to design a mock-up of the card before they get the GPU itself.

If EVGA was able to do it, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte and Inno3D are also able to do it.

[cerulean helm]

That Sapphire card uses the dumb 12 pin though... Like, wtf were they thinking?

[mossy gull]

At least they put it in a sensible location, not against the side panel, but above the cooler🤣

All Nvidia cards suffer from lack of space for the 12-pin, this Sapphire card won't.

This is a card I actually want, just for the design.

[cerulean helm]

Well, Ive been hitting my Vram limit in the handful of games I play a lot. Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield. With Starfield texture pop in being by far the worst, My 3080 LHR is hitting its limit. I will not by a 50 series due to all the major issues as well as they killed support for physics in older games. So my upgrade paths are quite limited. I see 3090s on ebay for $750-$800, usually Zotac cards. Not sure if a 3090 is worth it though. And 4080s go for a insane $1200 or more.

I'm really kicking myself for not buying a 4080 AIB card instead of waiting for the FE card to come back in stock in my area, that never happened.

[mossy gull]

I seen people pair the 5090 with a 3060 or lower just for the PhysX support.

Also I play modded Fallout 4 on my 7900XTX, even though it doesn't natively support PhysX, it still runs pretty well.

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, I have no available PCIE slots left. And my monitors are Gsync. As for Fallout (and Skyrim) both utilize ENB mods that use DLSS, so kinda have to have an Nvidia GPU. I also do use RT on other games. I am curious to see what AMD is doing with their new cards but more so to hopefully disrupt the gpu pricing market.

[mossy gull]

Do you have an ITX board?

[cerulean helm]

ATX board, Asus Z790 Gaming Wifi E if I recall. And it only has 3 PCIE slots total. The other 2 have pcie nvme cards in them.

[mossy gull]

Then make sure to free up some PCIe slots this generation 😅

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, I'd need a motherboard that actually supports bifurcation in more than just the primary pcie slot. Well, at that point I would just spend the money and get a cpu that has more than 20 pcie lanes, as I don't have enough with my current setup.

Currently have 7 drives in my rig, lol.

[mossy gull]

What do you need 7 drives for?

[cerulean helm]

I keep, a lot of mods on hand for many games. Nearly have 4TB in just mods alone. Plus 2 Steam drives, a 3rd non Steam drive. A Backup drive and then a spinning disk as I had one lying around when I was building the rig. Its like 14tb of storage total, lol.

[mossy gull]

You can delete a lot of mods as they either won't work anymore, you don't need them anymore or if you're like my dad and keep all old files, throw them away.

I personally have a little NAS with 5 20TB HDDs for storage and 2 high speed 2TB SSDs for caching, stuff we don't use 24/7.
Like some files haven't been accessed for quite some time.

[sonic meadow]

You could also get a PEX pcie switch card, and use that to get more lanes out of one of your slots (great for storage)

They do get kinda spendy though

Some of the 4x nvme boards have one, you can usually tell because they have a fan for a small heatsink on one end

[cerulean helm]

A lot of the mods yopu cannot get anymore as the authors have deleted them and/or disappeared. So especially for Skyrim and Fallout I keep all my mods backed up. Also because I like to modify them and often break them and need the original copy, lol.
I have custom ported Skyrim LE mods I use to this day for example.

But I also have custom files for older Civ games, that have long since vanished online.

I have looked into PCIE cards that have the chips with Bifurcations and yeah, last time I looked they were stupid expensive.

[mossy gull]

But you don't need old versions of a mod

[sonic meadow]

You do if you are mod modding

Or dealing with game or other mod version compatibility

[cerulean helm]

These are not old versions. These are mods that have long since been deleted off the internet, textures, meshes. Stuff that no longer exists. Also have game overhauls that again no longer are available online for games I still play from time to time. An example is Civ 4.

[mossy gull]

I am dealing with that, but some old mods need older versions of script extenders or alike that won't work with latest game version(or 2nd latest in case of Fallout 4)

[cerulean helm]

I cannot tell you how many times I have modded a mod and utterly broke it and only was able to recover as I had the original copy on hand still.

[mossy gull]

Get a NAS, at least 1 that can mirror data, then your mods are even safer than in your main machine.

[cerulean helm]

Ah yeah for Fallout 4, I never "upgraded" it. Still running the 10.163 version.

[cerulean helm]

Have one. Currently have used 7.2TB of space on it.

[mossy gull]

I personally mod Skyrim, Fallout 4, Monster Hunter World, Monster Hunter Wilds, Cyberpunk, Dragon's Dogma 2 and Dragon's Age Inquisition.

[mossy gull]

Get bigger drives🤣

[cerulean helm]

Its a 24TB RaidZ1 setup. I still have just under 16TB left to fill it with. Plus another 7TB mirror pool I use. I keep multiple backup copies of everything after several instances od massive drive failures in the past.

[mossy gull]

And in Cyberpunk 2077, Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma 2 and Dragon's Age Inquisition, I recently threw away dozens of mods because they simply don't work anymore, either because the mod author disappeared or hasn't been updated in years.

[mossy gull]

I use the GoG version, because my Fallout 4 disappeared with my broken laptop and I can set GoG to never update or download older updates 😅

[cerulean helm]

Between all my storage I have something like 53TB of space between everything.
14TB on main rig, 8TB on USB backup drive, 24TB NAS, 7TB mirror on NAS, and I think thats it.

I'll eventually be getting the GOG version of Fallout 4 to use that as the install for Fallout London as to not mess with my Steam version. I think I can do that.

[mossy gull]

You can use the Steam version with Fallout London, just copy it.

[cerulean helm]

I don't want my mods nor the mod manager to even try and touch it though.

[mossy gull]

Are you modding with Nexus/Vortex Mod Manager or MO2?

[cerulean helm]

Vortex for Fallout.

[mossy gull]

Why not MO2 😐
That 1 saves a ton of space and can make backups as easy as a push of a button.
Not to mention it doesn't conteminate yiur Fallout 4 folder, keeping it as original as possible (besides the ENB and Scrip extender ofcoarse)

[cerulean helm]

As I have explained before, I am not going to fuck up my setup by switching to a completely different manager after I got it running as smoothly as it is now. Fallout 4 alone has 455 plugins and many I have modded myself. Skyrim has 855. The amount of work that has gone into building just those 2 load orders, just no. Not touching that.

[mossy gull]

455 plug-ins in Fallout 4?
Rookie numbers.

Vortex just creates a mod back-up of a mod back-up because it doesn't use virtualisation to make it work.
This means Vortex does break even the mod itself while MO2 doesn't

[cinder lagoon]

Other than Star field, how are you determining the VRAM usage? Because task manager is gloriously under qualified for doing so, even if it pretends to be

[cinder lagoon]

I know a pcie 1 X1 Switch Card for like 12 bucks, comes with an ASRock switching chip

[jade scaffold]

Yea eBay is in a real state these days GPU wise atleast

The 3090 isn't an upgrade from the 3080 in any regard other than vram really it's like 10% faster

The 7900xtx is 24gb and 1.5x faster or so than the 3080 if you can find one cheap and don't value nvidias features

[mossy gull]

I personally determine it by VRAM usage by program in Task Manager or AMD overlay and shared memory usage.

Although Starfield is a lightweight in terms of VRAM usage because the areas are for Bethesda games pretty small.

Fallout 4 and Skyrim with modded 4K textures uses a lot of VRAM and RAM.
But it also depends on how you mod the game

[cinder lagoon]

The driver itself obviously know likely the best but there's other programs like Afterburner with the Aida64 plugin that are also very precise.

Task manager never has any idea what it's talking about with VRAM usage

[mossy gull]

Taskmanager has an idea when shared memory is being used though

[cinder lagoon]

🥴

Not really...

.... 🤔

🤔

...something has changed... 🤔

I specifically remember task manager pretty much always showing maximum vram usage while the game didn't even have the textures that could allow that...

This is on DX12, lemme try some other stuff...

[jade scaffold]

Task manager never showed max VRAM useage

it showed Reserved VRAM

and as all games reserve like 80-90% of VRAM it just ends up looking like to task manager that all the GPU video memory is in Use which if its reserved by a game nothing else can use it

[cerulean helm]

Aida64 sensor panel.

[cerulean helm]

I'm so tempted right now.

[mossy gull]

For that price, you better can get the XTX,

[cerulean helm]

The XTX doesn't exist at all. And when it does its 1k or higher. Hell, just a quick look at pcpartpicker shows any 7900XTX $1400-$2k.

[mossy gull]

People are scalping XTX now?

Maybe try to get the 9070XT, which soon will be released.

[jade scaffold]

No amd just aren't making any

They stopped building them in large numbers like 6 months ago and now their stock is nonexistent

[mossy gull]

Maybe in the US, but we still have well over 500 of them in the Netherlands

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/rUaztYdgoj0

https://youtu.be/DOgjKHq_ZIM

[jade scaffold]

Or no ones buying them in the netherlands

It's the only rx7000 gpu that sold well and it still sold terribly

[sacred seal]

And now it seems like it's stuck... Ideas?
Edit: NVM it fixed itself

[mossy gull]

Or we're too small😅

[cinder lagoon]

what the hell are you recovering!? xD

that 13TB hard drive from recently?

[cinder lagoon]

fyi. this did work.
what is not working is the boot partition auto-unlocking on boot which could stem from the surface's TPM or other factors. did not yet try on standard hardware.

[surreal moss]

It’s been a bit since I set mine up. How are you trying to unlock your partition?

[cinder lagoon]

systemd-cryptenroll

I set it up to store the key in tpm which i specifically set to release the key while secureboot is enabled (it is set to microsoft + 3rd party)

i know there's also clevis but systemd encrypt is the preferred option for ubuntu it seems

[cinder lagoon]

...this was concerning for a second, for some reason writing the backup to the disk went from 150MB/s to like 25

WHAT IS HAPPENING

[cinder lagoon]

...still fluctuating

[cerulean helm]

Yes and no, just checked Best Buy and a XTX came into stock. This is retail non scalped pricing.

So they have a MERC310 in XTX and XT.

[mossy gull]

Odd, we have the same card for 900 something with VAT included

[cerulean helm]

Watching the 9070 XT reviews and the XTX is actually slightly worse performance. Just has more Vram. So, hmm. That may be an option moving forward. Problem is, Ive seen prices for some of the higher end partner cards $200 plus above MSRP.

[mossy gull]

9070XT better than the 7900XTX?
Maybe in Raytracing, but the 7900XTX is better overall.

The 9070XT is placed between the 7900GRE and 7900XT

[cerulean helm]

Depends. Cyberpunk with RT on is almost 10% better. Starfield at 1440p the 9070 XT is 6 fps less than the 7900xtx. Thats impressive.

[mossy gull]

Once again, Raytracing, then yeah, it's better.

[cerulean helm]

Black Myth at 4k the 9070 XT is 5 fps less than the 7900 XTX. So now its a pricing thing. a $1100 card when in stock in the U.S vs a sub $1000 card. Hopefully sub $750 even with the high end aib cards.

[mossy gull]

Also Starfield is more a CPU thing than a GPU thing.
Bethesda games have very very poor CPU utilisation.

[cerulean helm]

Yeah. its roasts my 13700k even with it set to the Intel default performance setting. Like usually a single P core or 2 always hit 100c for a split second. Never actually throttled yet but with cpu has me looking at changing it to a different platform well before I had planned. I doubt i'll get the same amount of time on this cpu as I did on my 8700k.

And I'm water cooled... I'd hate to see the temps on air.

Well. U.S price for the 9070 XT is $849 from XFX. That sucks.

[mossy gull]

It actually doesn't, the game just uses 2 CPU cores, the rest are at idle.

On my 245K Starfield only uses the last 2 cores.

[cerulean helm]

Mine are far from idle. Ive seen the E cores in the 70s and the P cores in New Atlantis is the 80s and 90s, with 1 or 2 spiking at 100.

[mossy gull]

Temps say nothing about idle or not.

[cerulean helm]

There is no way a cpu pulling 180w or higher with over 50% utilization is only using 2 cores.

[mossy gull]

You would be surprised 😅
It's Intel afterall

[cerulean helm]

Okay, really happy I backed this project. And I should be getting 2 of these IP KVMs in a week or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaQAfVP0Yq8

[cinder lagoon]

What about the PiKVM project?

[cerulean helm]

The Jet KVM is $70.

Also just read that a poe version is in the works as well.

[surreal moss]

Please post updates

[cerulean helm]

Absolutely. Iv'e been waiting for this to use with my ancient HP DL380 Gen 7 as remote desktop via the HP ipmi took me nearly a week of troubleshooting because of old software. And isn't great. Also can finally get rid of the monitor I have balanced on my server rack that I switch between the TrueNas NAS, LLM PC, and the HP server.

Though I also recently discovered RustDesk for remote desktop. And I love it. Use it for the AI PC.

In the video I posted the guy hooked up the JetKVM to a KVM switch and use 4 mini PCs off of the JetKVM.

Oh, also worth noting the guy has a forked api hosted on Github that allows you to locally host cloud service for the JetKVM.

[surreal moss]

I have a piKVM at work that I really like. The integrated display on the Jet along with the size of it have me leaning that way if it turns out ti be solid after release. I’m waiting to see what kind of out of band management options the Project Digits will come with. If they don’t have anything then I’ll opt for a Jetkvm to manage them

[cerulean helm]

Found the github for the locally hosted cloud for the JetKVM. Posting here for reference.
https://github.com/timothystewart6/cloud-api

[mossy gull]

For the price, AMD does it really well this launch, especially because they delayed the cards on purpose so everyone has enough stock unlike Nvidia who has been running out of stock.

https://youtu.be/ptp5suRDdQQ

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/HSkjSuTVYeo

[jade scaffold]

Yea the 9070xt is great

The normal 9070 though is kinda uncompetitive

Like the 9070xt is not much more and is way faster

Actuall passable raytracing performance too thankyou AMD

[jade scaffold]

My brother got a new CPU a 5600x the person he bought it off put it in the lil am4 box the wrong way round bending 6 of the pins luckily I was able to fix it

[mossy gull]

Raytracing better than the 7900XTX, I am actually impressed so to say.

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh, I think I was talking about this
https://github.com/sipeed/NanoKVM

didn't realize that there were that many (semi-) open-source kvm solutions!

[cinder lagoon]

Is this the before or after? Cuz they look not aligned enough

[jade scaffold]

Before

That's how it came I took pictures incase I couldn't fix it so I could do an eBay return and refund

[grizzled oracle]

Obligatory

Here’s to hoping the myriad of issues I’ve had previously with AMD was a fluke

[cinder lagoon]

Hell yea

[cinder lagoon]

Their drivers have improved VASTLY over the last years

[cinder lagoon]

Found a case where they completely disagree: CS2

[cerulean helm]

This is at a Microcenter 2 hours from me. MSRP, HA.

[grizzled oracle]

Partner tax 😩

[runic thorn]

I'm really tempted to order the XT. It's almost 400 € cheaper than the 5070 Ti here.

[hasty rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7dhwFcuUn0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl0GnzPIOl4

[cerulean helm]

I'm pretty set on getting a 9070 XT. Have a way better chance getting one at msrp than finding a 5080 at msrp. Not that the 50 series is a good purchase with all the issues.

[runic thorn]

Yeah, the price will probably be the deciding factor for me.

I won't even need a new PSU with the cheapest 9070 XT I'm looking at.

[mossy gull]

In the Netherlands it's almost 1K cheaper than the 5070Ti

[runic thorn]

oO
The 5070 Ti is about 1200 € here. Your prices are quite wild. Hope it gets better.

[mossy gull]

They won't, in less than 1 day the 9070XT went from 600.- to 1000.-

The 7900XTX is 900.-

And in raster still better

This is insanity, WTF is going on with GPU prices

And now I have the feeling Nvidia came into play with this behind the scenes and forced companies to hike the prices for the 9070XT, because the 5070Ti is 1000.- here.....

This is insanity

That's more than 300.- over MSRP

We really go into a new era where mid rangers will be more expensive than the high end of the previous generation.

Retailers "Demand is quite high and we don't have enough cards", I took a look at stock availability and see there's more than 4000 available in the Netherlands and more than 500 in Norway and Sweden, not enough my ass.

They just want to cash in.

I am sorry, rant over

[runic thorn]

Oh hey, they adjusted the price of the card I was looking at up by 60 €.

Still 180 € cheaper than the XTX.

[mossy gull]

Here XTX is cheaper

[runic thorn]

I can't add the XT to the cart yet, so they still have time to fix the situation here. 😛

[mossy gull]

I wanted the 9070XT for my 2nd system, but with a price of 1100.- it's way too much, a year ago you got the 4080 Super for that, which is more powerful.

[deep zenith]

Soooo anyway, tech savvy folks, it's Tiber here after a long while: new PC has worked well but with one caveat: I get massive GPU throttling.

In your opinion, what Mobi and CPU should I pair my RX7900 XT with?

When I built the unit I made the mistake of buying a cheaper pair of both and not being able to use the 5.0 ram

[mossy gull]

Curiosity, did you connect the 7900XT with a Daisy-chain cable or 2 separate cables?

Also, you never can go wrong with a 7800X3D or 9800X3D and a B650 board from known manufacturers

[deep zenith]

w> in terms of the daisy chain are you referring to the data lines or the power: I'm only middlingly computer literate. I know enough to put it together but have issues with descriptions and memory

[cinder lagoon]

"why does nobody use linux"
because everyone is fighting against you...

Netflix support page

[surreal moss]

Naw, the real reason is that nix suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen

Too many “unifying standards”

[cinder lagoon]

Of course

But not even 1080p lmao

A browser is a browser

And I know the browser is built for a specific distro, which in turn provides some APIs to the browser to use the hardware

BUT WHYYY

[mossy gull]

Just as EA says "We won't support Linux because of cheaters".

Basically what they say "It's a lesser used platform not many people use that doesn't support our kernel level bullshit that makes us able to control your PC so we won't support it"

[cinder lagoon]

ITS A VIDEO STREAM IN A BROWSER
*screams in "tony stark was able to build this in a cave"

[mossy gull]

Exactly

But they always have excuses

And I got the Sapphire Nitro+ 9070XT for my birthday

[cinder lagoon]

Congratulations 🎉

[mossy gull]

Thanks, the card is massive

[runic thorn]

The XTs still aren't available to order here. I'll probably get one on the way as soon as I can. I guess next week at some point.
How's it performing? Have you had time to try it out yet?

[mossy gull]

So the 9070XT has a cool function, it can force FSR4 onto FSR3.1 supported titles.
So it doesn't even need native support.

[runic thorn]

That's handy. I saw someone use the lack of games supporting FSR4 as a point against the card, but seems like that's not something to worry about after all.

[jade scaffold]

I'm sad the strix halo isn't using rdna4 tbh

[mossy gull]

It might be able to still do it with the help of the NPU in the APU 🤔

FSR4 needs AI cores to work properly, an NPU should be somewhat efficient enough to do it🤔

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's a good point

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold not an official tester, but this is pretty interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/t3lQwD3FIo

[jade scaffold]

I'm really excited to get to play with that 395+ apu

[mossy gull]

Same, and because I got the 9070XT as a gift, I have more money to get the Z13 with the 395+

[jade scaffold]

I'm getting the framework mobo so I can do some overclocking

[mossy gull]

I need an Surface Book replacement, and I went from 3 laptops, to just 1, and I want something more portable than a Titan😅

[grizzled oracle]

The driver \Driver\WUDFRd failed to load.
Device: ROOT\WINDOWSHELLOFACESOFTWAREDRIVER\0000
Status: 0xC0000365

same issue on the 9070xt as the 6800 lmfao

im not a scientist but i wasnt able to replicate this at all with a 3080, only happens under load most often in SC

[mossy gull]

Have you tried to DDU?

[grizzled oracle]

yes every hardware swap

[mossy gull]

Havd you tried to reinstall Windows?

[grizzled oracle]

yeah, ran through all of the usual suspects and tons of unhinged steps

[mossy gull]

Is the GPU connected with the amount of cables it has connectors for?
So no cable that terminates into 2?

[grizzled oracle]

correct, 2x8 no daisy chain

interestingly, this occurred with the 6800 on 2 totally different systems and with the 9070xt on the same system, which would indicate its likely AMD software/drivers related

[mossy gull]

When you installed the driver, did you installed it without active network?

Windows sometimes will install the wrong drivers.

[cinder lagoon]

Can yall read lol?
It says "Windows Hello Face Software Driver"

Nothing to do with any GPU what so ever haha

Given that you're on a desktop (and almost no webcam supports windows hello) I'd recommend you uninstall that device via device manager, then run the following commands to re-acquire / fix system files:

DISM.exe /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
DISM.exe /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup
sfc /scannow

Would be very surprised if running those three multiple times (with admin priv) wouldn't fix it

Press Win+X, select "Device manager"
Then find this device and uninstall it:

[grizzled oracle]

it only procs after a hard crash while in a graphically demanding game 🤷 maybe im pulling the wrong error from event viewer

[cinder lagoon]

Could be

Is it a bluescreen or..?

[grizzled oracle]

no, total shut down

[cinder lagoon]

Shutdown like the power went out?

Not freeze or stuttery sound or similar?

[grizzled oracle]

correct, straight to black

[cinder lagoon]

This indicates a Power supply overload (over current protection kicking in)

[grizzled oracle]

psu is 1000w titanium though i think thats very unlikely

[cinder lagoon]

If it only happens with specific GPU installed that probably stems from the fact that different GPUs will have different power consumption characteristics (some have very high very short spikes)

[cinder lagoon]

Might be faulty or degraded. How old is it?
What brand?
1000W titanium is not made by many brands

[grizzled oracle]

whoops rm1000x gold

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm corsair..

Difficult to say, the RMx line-up uses internals from many different manufacturers...

Do you have access to a testing PSU?
What is the approximate configuration of the PC? Many lights / fans?

[grizzled oracle]

🤯 many, let me check max draw rly quick

[cinder lagoon]

Absolutely, check the fan specifications how much wattage they pull

With those transient spikes of the GPU it could actually be "too much" for the power supply

Some PSUs have very short "fuses" in that regard, usually a sign of quality

[grizzled oracle]

now that you mention it, previously this crash cut display and and required a manual hard restart, this time was unique in that we went straight to black

[cinder lagoon]

Could also be a (slightly smaller) transient spike triggering that 🤔

Do you possibly have a device akin to a "killawatt" at hand?

[mossy gull]

What do you have connected to the PSU?
Even USB devices

[cinder lagoon]

Thats why I'd use a power socket watt meter

[grizzled oracle]

700w roughly system after some math before AIO, 5rgb fans, and 2 non rgb fans

[cinder lagoon]

That might just be enough that the power spikes trip the OCP methinks 🤔

[grizzled oracle]

So I guess freak spikes is well within the realm of possibility

[mossy gull]

That's more than my system in idle🤣

[sonic meadow]

Yes, idle is typically substantially lower than load

[runic thorn]

Hm. Now I'm wondering if I should get a new PSU with the 9070 XT after all. Mine's a 750 W, but that's the recommended PSU size in the store for the card I'm looking at.

The current PSU is approaching 7 years at this point, so I wouldn't mind a new one anyway. It's not a component that I want to run until it breaks.

[sacred seal]

Well you can always try with the old PSU and see if it works. I was running my 6900xt off of a 650 watt psu and it worked 99% of the time

There were a handful of games that would cause my computer to hard shut down in certain circumstances.

But that was about it

[runic thorn]

I don't really want any hard shutdowns though.

[sonic meadow]

If you have a good PSU, it's not something I would worry too much about beforehand. If it does seem to be an issue then you can look in to a replacement/upgrade I guess

Fwiw I ran my old PSU for... I want to say 18 years or so 😆

[runic thorn]

It's a Seasonic FOCUS so should be pretty good. The currently sold ones apparently get a 10 year warranty.

Balls, I think PSUs have gotten more expensive too, just like everything else. Maybe I should try the old one first after all. 😬

A new FOCUS with an extra 100 W compared to the old one is about 50 % more expensive than what I paid for the old one. 121.90 € vs 186.90 €.

[sonic meadow]

Oof

[cerulean helm]

Literally can see a PowerColor 9070XT in stock, but Neweggs website is so overloaded and broken I can't add to cart...

[runic thorn]

Ouch. 😬

[cerulean helm]

I'm going to guess its actually not in stock but still showing it is.

[mossy gull]

Not if you have a Threadripper and 2 GPUs where 1 is shunt modded.

[mossy gull]

Get the recommended at least 850w.

[sonic meadow]

Remember that your brag was that your idle was lower than their load. It's just.. a weird thing to brag about. "Yes my computer uses less power when it's not doing anything than yours when it is doing something"

[runic thorn]

The recommendation depends on which model you're looking at. The overclock versions have higher requirements. The recommendation for the Reaper I'm probably getting is 750 W.

But I'm still undecided. I guess we'll see what I ended up ordering when I open up the package next week or whenever they can get some cards in stock. 😛

Also, I noticed that I've had my 2080 on a daisy chain cable. Should be fine for that card, but a new PSU would remove any theoretical concerns that the daisy chain added extra wear over time.

[mossy gull]

Look at the max power draw of all the components and add 50% onto that for transient spikes

[runic thorn]

50 % sounds like a lot. PCPartPicker put the total at 598 W which probably still lacks all the USB devices. Not sure if that's counted into motherboard power draw.

[mossy gull]

AMD spikes a lot.
And PC Partpicker only looks at TDP, not turbo power and transient spikes.

A nice example I have witnessed.

When I was monitoring my 7600XT for the 1st time, like that's a 175w card I believe, I seen it reach 250w for a few seconds.

[runic thorn]

But also, I assume that's a theoretical maximum that PCPartPicker gives. It's unlikely that I'll ever max out my whole setup in a way that it reaches ~600 W.

175w card I believe, I seen it reach 250w

That's a heavy spike, dang.

[mossy gull]

It held it for roughly 10 minutes till it dropped down to 175w again.

So it wasn't an transient spike, and more of a boost as long the thermals allowed for it.

It's an AsRock Steel Legend 7600XT, it has 2 8-pin connectors.

But yeah, the fact they never account for anything other than TDP, that's why I calculate 50% on top of max usage, you'll never know when it'll try to do it again

[runic thorn]

I think the highest UPS output I've seen with my current setup is a bit over 500 W. Not 100 % certain but I believe that includes monitors and audio setup.

[mossy gull]

I use the EcoFlow Delta Pro 3 as my UPS.

I have 2 of them.

Mainly to reduce overall power usage from the grid so I use my system almost "free of charge".

Like these things cost as much as a brand new high powered UPS here, but have the ability to be charged with solar panels

[runic thorn]

👍
Mine's an Eaton Ellipse PRO 1600.

That's a nice feature.

[mossy gull]

They're not really a UPS, and more like off-grid batteries

[runic thorn]

Yeah, sounds like it.

[mossy gull]

I always felt UPS for PCs being way too expensive, these are 4KW each with a power capacity of 4000w.

My system ain't using 4000w so that's nice, usually around 1KW to 1.2KW

[runic thorn]

The Eaton certainly wasn't cheap. I think the local grid was suffering from some annoying power cuts at the time I bought it. It's gotten better since then.

[mossy gull]

Power grid issues are never fun

I was just sick and tired to always have to pay a huge amount, so I decided to play for free.

I am using my system like once in 2 days most of the time, so enough time for them to charge

[runic thorn]

Understandable. That's quite a wild power draw.

[mossy gull]

Funny enough I have the most power hungry PC, but I don't have the highest power usage.
That goes to my brother.

[mossy gull]

My brother has a PC with a 9800X3D and a 4090, but uses it almost the entire day, I use my system for 4 hours max and have 2 7900XTX and a TR-7970X

[runic thorn]

Ah, right. I was wondering if he's got a hemp farm or something.

[mossy gull]

Noh🤣
He's considered "disabled" and does fuck all

[grizzled oracle]

In defense of Corsair I had the gpu overclock setting on in the AMD app on a factory OC card, and I’ve tried to replicate it since with that setting off without issue

[cerulean helm]

So, Newegg's "combo" deals they are using have 9070XTs paired with 450w PSUs... Cause you know, thats fine.

And I can snag one of those combo deals. Kinda tempted kinda not. Its a PowerColor Reaper 9070 XT, MSRP $699, so $100 above base price. Plus a shit 750W psu for $60 some.

Oh hell no. With shipping and tax its $825. Nope, not worth that at all.

[mossy gull]

Lol, that PSU ain't even enough for the 7600XT

Minimum recommended is 650w for that GPU

[mossy gull]

UserBenchmark at it again.

[jade scaffold]

Lmao

When aren't they at it

[mossy gull]

I guess my black screens are invisible, my excessive noise is being inaudible, my crashes being resolved so quick I don't see them happen and stutters happen so quick they're invisible.

I also didn't know my room is a "closed predictable environment"

[vestal stirrup]

Hello all, I know it is a bit vague but can anyone identify what the 3U servers might be?

I am being gifted them but not for another month, and will have to wait until then for the specs

[surreal moss]

I can tell you they old

[vestal stirrup]

That was expected haha

Do you reckon 10 years old or more?

[surreal moss]

The cd drives make me think they’re at least that old

I bet it’s an HP

And I think those are 4U

[jade scaffold]

they also seemingly arent actually servers

they are rack mounted PCs by the looks of things

[surreal moss]

Ehhhh I haven’t seen too many rack mount pcs with that many drive bays

[mossy gull]

Those are 4U

[cinder lagoon]

Not quite enough information to go off of.
The image quality is pretty bad and there's no actually identifying features other than the uncommon cyan drive bay buttons and the CD drive bays containing an Asus CD drive and an IO plate consisting of a VGA port, 2 USB 3 and some green LED.

[mossy gull]

The style isn't familiar either me.

[cinder lagoon]

Well, I found this image using google lense...

Thats pretty much exactly it.
Problem is: it's probably from an old ebay listing and ebay doesn't tell me what it belonged to exactly

Just wants to sell me old servers lmao

AHA!!!
(yes I found some japanese website which actually has the model name alongside an image)

[surreal moss]

Nice job

[cinder lagoon]

..damn how is it this difficult to find some non-japanese information about this server system from 2013!?

this is a real challange!

That would explain it...

[surreal moss]

I know it’s potato

[cinder lagoon]

Hey, that looks official... where u got that from? Haha

[surreal moss]

I found the press release from 2013

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh makes sense

[surreal moss]

That’s all I can really find though

[cinder lagoon]

First time trying openAI's "deep search" - came up with much information about it's storage capabilities (but nothing exciting about the cpu or architecture)

ran a whole 9 minutes...
https://chatgpt.com/share/67d1f771-6084-8000-8016-75459077e8b1

[surreal moss]

Claude isn’t giving me anything on it

Welp, I guess ChatGPT compromised Chaos’ account

How appropriate

[cinder lagoon]

Gaht damnit I just want som easily sharable text xF

My bad

[surreal moss]

Quick! Save humanity before ChaosGPT conquers us all!

[surreal moss]

We have full access in the link

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh, good, wasn't sure, haven't used that feature before

[cinder lagoon]

As we say in germany "The Name is part of the program" ^^'

[surreal moss]

That’s only because you’re trying to make even longer words

[cinder lagoon]

Wordkontraktionsgebrauch is an important part of this language!