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[jade scaffold]

though im thinking if i could get a permit throw up a stupid tiny cell tower and only allow things to access it that have my own lil sim card in them

the main concern of people throwing up their own cell towers is that if they are built like actual cell towers any phone trying to get a cell signal will connect to it if its the best signal and theres obvious privacy and security concerns for that kind of thing

[cinder lagoon]

Afaik you need to rent bandwidth on the frequency band from the ones running the cell towers for that radio cell

[jade scaffold]

you can actaully own any kind of cell tower you want but you need permits to broadcast

[jade scaffold]

yea if you are using someone elses cell network you would

[cinder lagoon]

Thats not how it works afaik - it's just repeaters and they need to have a small enough range

[jade scaffold]

if all i want is silly tower to my phone then connect to the internet basically a really large hotspot

[jade scaffold]

cell towers arent repeters

Old radio towers used to be

cell towers are not

Cells are wired in to a places fibre optic network

[cinder lagoon]

No I mean I don't think you can become a cell provider like that just willy nilly

[jade scaffold]

you need access to licenced frequencies

alternativly you can apparently just use unlicenced frequencies in the UK

[cinder lagoon]

Well your modem still needs to support the relevant bands

[jade scaffold]

i think phones can just opperate anywhere between their min and max frequency

[cinder lagoon]

Nope

Specific models have specific modems based on their release area

Like Asian Phones won't operate (welll, if at all) in european range because they have a different modem

Usually at least

[jade scaffold]

weird my phone has so far worked flawlessly everywhere in the world ive been

seems like far too much manufacturing work to build phones to work on different band these days

maybe it was more economical on older phones but just stopped making sense once semiconducters and radiowave tech got good enough

[cinder lagoon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands

[mossy gull]

Chinese, Korean and Japanese phones work in the West-EU and Northern-EU to my knowledge, but won't work at all in the US.

[jade scaffold]

there only seems to be like 4 regions of which my phone has worked fine in one country of all of them

im UK based my phone has thus far worked in the US Canada Australia and obviously the UK

[mossy gull]

US has some GSM bands, but not all, GSM is mostly in EU and East Asia

[jade scaffold]

most modern phones are multi mode though

otherwise data roming wouldnt be a thing

[mossy gull]

Your provider has to support the other provider as well, a local provider explained this to me.

[jade scaffold]

for some weird reason though regardless cell signal doesnt reach my work place atall

just completely misses it somehow

[mossy gull]

My colleague has the exact same issue😅

[cinder lagoon]

You should check which net your provider uses and look up the maps

[jade scaffold]

no ones networking works

[cinder lagoon]

Speedtest.net has a cellular map for different providers

[jade scaffold]

LITERALLY NO ONES

out of 500 people

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh hmmm that sucks haha

[jade scaffold]

there is just no cell signal in the site

[cinder lagoon]

Well, maybe there IS an unlicensed broadcast nearby xD

[jade scaffold]

theres random spots where it does work and it works fine outside of the site

[jade scaffold]

you see we thought there might be some cunt running a cell jammer or something

but a phones antenna can see that

[cinder lagoon]

Usually?

I'd look into the mall-type cell repeaters.

[jade scaffold]

yea just strap a repeter to the top of a light pole or something

[cinder lagoon]

Maybe 500 people are just too packed together there

[jade scaffold]

its a BIIIG site

theres alot of people but its not like suuuuper dense ammounts or anything

one of the sites gets good signal theres 3 sites in total and 2 of them just dont get signal for what ever unusual reason

[mossy gull]

They use Vodafone NL, which has a dark spot where we work😅

[cinder lagoon]

Wait you work at the same site lol :D

[mossy gull]

My colleague and I yes, but I am in the Netherlands 😅

[cinder lagoon]

Lol

[jade scaffold]

Oh quick idea

So as you know I have this abominable thing

What do we thing if direct liquid to die evaporative cooling

I think it could look really cool imagine being able to see your chip while using your pc

The question is if it would work

One idea was to ontop of the chip create a pressure vessel this pressure vessel would hold enough pressure and flow rate to strip the boundary layer hopefully making sure the chip is cool at all times my main worry is if s bubble would form and create a void that could allow such a hot chip to potentially overheat in a point where there are no sensors and experience damage

[cinder lagoon]

I don't think you can safely apply enough pressure to the edges of the chip without it chipping

[jade scaffold]

It's liquid pressure is evenly distributed

[cinder lagoon]

No I mean to seal the goddamn thing

[jade scaffold]

Oh no that's not gonna be an issue

[cinder lagoon]

Explain

[jade scaffold]

Thoes chips need a whole person standing on them worth of force to stay in the socket

[cinder lagoon]

And no, novac 50 does not work well as an evaporative lol

[jade scaffold]

For example if I stood on my epyc I would not be applying enough force to meet AMDs asked spec

[cinder lagoon]

No problem is the pressure is applied unevenly

[jade scaffold]

Where's your issue here?

Cooler mount as a cooler would putting pressure on the substrate of the chip not on the silicon itself

[cinder lagoon]

You can easily chip the die if you try to scrape off the indium solder

[jade scaffold]

Theres no solder

It's a 7980xe

That shit was NEVER soldered

[cinder lagoon]

Its an example

Like you don't need much pressure or anything if it's applied in the wrong direction

It will break, silicon seems to be fairly brittle

[jade scaffold]

It's as brittle as tempered glass

A pin point pressure can crack it

[cinder lagoon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupportgore/comments/treol0/chipped_die_on_a_5950x/

[jade scaffold]

Again I am not applying any direct pressure to the DIE

There is no contact happening between mounting mechanism or the cooler and the die

[cinder lagoon]

HOW DO YOU WANT TO PREVENT WATER FROM LEAKING ONTO THE SUBSTRATE

My bad capslock

[jade scaffold]

Gasket

One gasket silicone glued to the substrate

One on the liquid chamber

[cinder lagoon]

Dont think thats gonna go great

[jade scaffold]

If you have a heat spreader that's silicone glued on there anyway and it holds on great and silicone glue is water tight a decently designed gasket would be water proof via a silicone being good at that anyway and b the 30 odd kg of pressure forcing it against the processor

It's basically just a compression fitting

[cinder lagoon]

The heat spreader is glued to the substrate tho. And it doesn't need to hold in water

[jade scaffold]

Yea so would the bottom half of the gasket

[cinder lagoon]

Theres components on the substrate tho

[jade scaffold]

Yea?

They are quite easy to work around

Especially on the 7980xe which has a enormous substrate

[cinder lagoon]

Hmmm

What about corrosion or water seeping into the silicon?

[jade scaffold]

Regardless I can design the gasket to just go around and over the tinny half mm tall caps glue it on then the chips ready to have a cooler with a interlocking gasket fit ontop of it

Water won't erode or seep into the silicon

Silicon is vastly harder than either copper or aluminium

[cinder lagoon]

Water will even seep through EKs Zero maintanance tubing

It will evaporate in a closed loop

[jade scaffold]

It will

But it won't seep into silicon

The seal will errode overtime but that can be replaced and the seal would be really quite large it will take a long time for it to errode away to the point of failure

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm

Have you worked with regular water cooling over long time?

[jade scaffold]

Yes

I had a 3090 block disintegrate

The seal isn't going to be O ring thick it's gonna be like a cm or 2 thick gasket going across the substrate out from the die

The other seals in the piping will fail first for sure

[cinder lagoon]

...thats not a great sign of water loop knowledge, is it?

Like did you just skip the additives and use plain tap water????

[jade scaffold]

That was alphacools fault

[cinder lagoon]

Not sure anymore what the situation was with that one - was it mixed metals?

[jade scaffold]

Some kind of manufacturing error the entire loop was copper there should have been no other metal present but something ate the blocks entire Nickle coating

[cinder lagoon]

Hmmm aight

[jade scaffold]

Alphacool said could have been FOD trapped during manufacturing and sent me another block

None of my other loops have ever failed

The worst I've had is a fitting come a bit loose and start dripping

[jade scaffold]

Basically the gasket would sit on on where you see all that silicone glue from the IHS is would shape it to step down properly from the higher substrate to the lower one a gasket that thick with a opposite interlocking gasket would have exactly 0 issue containing any water like fluid

if you look on the lower substrate theres like a white square that goes arround the higher substrate in that area and then a bit onto that higher substrate is where i would put a gasket on a chip like this

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm.. I'd try the conecept on a dead chip first tho

[jade scaffold]

If I kill the chip with a none conductive fluid id be very surprised

[cinder lagoon]

Water is not non-conductive once it's in a watercooling loop

[mossy gull]

Water is non-conductive period, it's the minerals in the water that are conductive

[cinder lagoon]

Duh, try keeping them out

[jade scaffold]

not using water

why the fuck would i be using water where i intend to BOIL a liquid

yea lemme get my CPUs temps up to 100C real quick

[mossy gull]

Usually cooler liquid, but you can use destilled water 😅

[jade scaffold]

water will become conductive in a loop

basically as water chips microscopic bits of metal off the surface of things

not an issue if you are using all copper components

[mossy gull]

I forgot that would happen 😅

[cinder lagoon]

For some reason... i somehow forgot that...

[cinder lagoon]

That was what I was trying to tell you xFF

[cerulean helm]

Ahh, my new keyboard came in. Its an entire alluminum chasis. Holy crap this is heavy.

Its smaller than my last one, so I need to get used to it.

[mossy gull]

Define "smaller"

[cerulean helm]

Corsair K100 to a Glorious fullsize keyboard.

[mossy gull]

The K100 is a full size though

🤔

[cerulean helm]

And bigger than my glorious. Also the K100 has macro buttons and the Glorious does not.

[mossy gull]

Ah, that way

I prefer Corsair keyboards because they're fully reprogrammable

The Glorious keyboards look so generic 😐

[cerulean helm]

I like my Corsair keyboard but I am trying to get away from their ecosystem. I swear this new board must wiegh more than a 4090.

I went with an all black steath build. I like it.

[mossy gull]

I like their ecosystem, even though they have very annoying bugs😅

But then I come from Razer and Asus.

[surreal moss]

What are you trying to get away from in Corsair?

[cerulean helm]

I also wanted a board I could completely teardown and repair if necessary.

ICUE, isn't my most favorite software. Ive also repaired my K100 several times with the spacebar sticking cause its a poor design.

[mossy gull]

People always call iCue bad, but coming from Synapse and Armoury Crate, I can say that iCue is 1 of the programs easier to understand and it works way more often.
Not to mention of all companies, Corsair is the only 1 having hardware profiles😐

[mossy gull]

I have a K100, and the K100 Air, not once has mine malfunctioned🤔

[cerulean helm]

My last Corsair mouse straight up just died in just over a year of use. Was the "Nightsword" or something like that. The pads on it fell apart. Switch to a Logitech mouse and love it.

[surreal moss]

I’m running all Logitech stuff and have had it last years

[cerulean helm]

I splurged on the G502x Lightspeed. Love it. With the rgb off, this thing literally lasts 2 plus weeks on a single charge.

[surreal moss]

I went with the powerpad so I don’t have to charge it. I don’t think I can go back

[mossy gull]

You sound like a very heavy user then😅
My Dark Core SE, Dark Core Pro SE and Scimitar Wireless still work flawlessly.

[mossy gull]

I wish more would do that, if Logitech would have better software or more mice options I would've gotten Logitech.

[cerulean helm]

I'm not that heavy of a user on a mouse. The Corsair mouse would just randomly shut off (wired) and I'd have to unlug plug back in. First thought it was a usb port. But it did it on all of them. Then, the thumb pad fell apart. The final straw was when the mouse for whatever reason would keep the pc from shutting down (no idea what happened).

And my K100 keyboard on startup randomly decides to not turn on. And requires it to be unplugged and replugged. HAsn't happened recently but its done if enough its pissed me off.

[surreal moss]

I’ve genuinely never had a problem with their software

And everything functions without it

[cerulean helm]

I don't really use G Hub other than basic setting. Light off, my specific dps. Thats it.

[surreal moss]

Yep, same

[mossy gull]

I sadly have, some of the games I played behaved shitty with the software turned on, 1 of them is The Division 2, like with the software turned on it feels like the mouse isn't properly registered and thanks to that stutters like madness, and my Logitech mouse didn't have onboard profiles and I play usually with 4000 DPI😅

[surreal moss]

Do you have a link to the Glorious?

[cerulean helm]

Mine is a custom ordered GMMK 3. All aluminum chassis and all black with backlit black keys.

https://www.gloriousgaming.com/collections/keyboards

[peak shale]

Bros are they worth the $180

[cerulean helm]

This is what mine looks like.

[surreal moss]

Oh shit

That’s nice

[peak shale]

Which

[mossy gull]

Not 1 keyboard is😅

[cerulean helm]

Shit, I paid $255 with the holiday discount. Board would have been $325 and its wired.

[peak shale]

Reddit says they're junk but. Reddit

[mossy gull]

I miss the Logitech keyboards with the tons of macros and the display on top

[peak shale]

False

[cerulean helm]

Also has a Mac mode.

[peak shale]

I'm gonna rehab my model m but it would be nice to have a windows key again for the first time in a decade

[mossy gull]

Who the fuck uses a Mac?
says the Mac user

[cerulean helm]

I still have one. The G510. Use it with my NAS.\

[peak shale]

Had one. Killed it with mountain dew like a real gamer

[surreal moss]

Wait 3 months and get one with a copilot key

[mossy gull]

I had 1, display broke off after it got crushed during moving to new house 🤣

[surreal moss]

Heh, that’s how I killed mine last month

[cerulean helm]

Reddit just jumps on Glorious cause they are expensive and not the favorite anymore for keyboard companies. But hey, its all built in the U.S by hand, each one by one person.

Its one of the few custom boards I looked at that had a volume button. I guess thats not a feature on custom boards.

[mossy gull]

That always happens, just wait till you mention for having the MSI Titan 18HX, everyone is gonna hate you for not getting the "better" ROG SCAR.

[peak shale]

Somewhat ironically I think that's what took out my B, N and space bar on the model m.

The first time i had mountain dew in years earlier this week

[surreal moss]

Same. First time in months let alone at my desk. Pup was too damned cute and I had to give her a scratch and forgot the bottle was there

[peak shale]

So anyways my requirements here are:

Brown switches i think. I can't give up the tactile click but I don't give a shit about noise. Quieter is better.

Wired only.

Black.

White backlight. Brightness adjust without software if possible.

Media controls a plus.

[peak shale]

Get ya every time

Id like something real solid that I could beat an intruder to death with. I mean.

Doesn't flex.

[mossy gull]

I like Linear keys, quiet, preferably adaptable RGB so I can see what program I am using by just looking at my keyboard, and fully reprogrammable keys.
For example my Scroll-lock is Windows+TAB

[peak shale]

Don't need all that zoomer nonsense

Darn kids

Get off my lawn

Anything that even suggests software can kiss my ass

[mossy gull]

Dolby Atmos supported soundbar 🙃

[peak shale]

My wireless hyper x pulsefire dart mouse is QI rechargeable and doesn't need any software and it's a joy.

I just set it on a charging pad when I get up and it's never out of battery

[cerulean helm]

Glorious does have software but the keyboard has onboard memory profiles. So you could set your setting and then uninstall. But, you'd lose the custom key combo bindings you can setup.

Mine is wired. Its all black with just black backlit keys.

I'm using their "fox linear" switches. But they have a large selection. Not sure if brown switches are listed. Would have to check.

The chassis is all aluminum. Damn thing weighs like 4 pounds.

[peak shale]

And no annoying cord to flop around

The das 6 is in the lead in my Amazon cart so far

[surreal moss]

Let me see what my old keyboard was. Only reason I didn’t repair it is because the PCB is attached to the metal faceplate

Meed to drive home first though

[peak shale]

Hahahaa

CORN

[mossy gull]

Both my Corsair Dark Core mice are Qi compatible, so I know what you mean, I use them primarily for problem solving and setting up.

I like they have onboard profiles so I can "type" my account with just 2 buttons on the mouse

[cerulean helm]

Okay, so the bare cnc chassis of the GMMk 3 weighs 3.3 pounds. So yeah I'd say close to 5 pounds as a complete board easy.

[peak shale]

Gmmk feels like I should grow more neck beard and sweat twice as much to own it

[mossy gull]

Maybe you should

[peak shale]

Probably won't

Ngl tho the Yosemite one is cool. I do be outdoors

[cerulean helm]

Not the best photo but this is mine.

[mossy gull]

That type of blue is almost black to me

It's also the type of blue LEDs have a hard time with🙃

[cerulean helm]

My entire setup is blue, and I usually have the lights dimmed.

[peak shale]

Bro does not like sleeping

Blue is awake mode

[cerulean helm]

Have to say, the switches are quieter than my Corsair board. The click is still nice though.

[peak shale]

I absolutely haaaate keyboard backlights that bleed out around the keys though

It's that the gmmk?

[cerulean helm]

Ah, see thats something I don't mind. the backlite blled.

And yes, thats the GMMK 3.

[peak shale]

Ah ew

Too much light for me. Just want the letters

[cerulean helm]

Those are just the standard keycaps. They have a lot of other choices.

[peak shale]

Das 6 pro it is i guess

[cerulean helm]

You could go full gamer and get these keycaps, lol.

[peak shale]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-nasty-yuck-cat-damn-gif-19871256

[mossy gull]

Mine is white with purple, no I wasn't inspired by NZXT

[cerulean helm]

I was either going with the standard backlit or their "aura" keycaps but those seemed a bit much for me. Overhead shots looked cool. But that was it.

[peak shale]

See that looks nice

Just raw dogging light from around the outside is icky

[peak shale]

Direct light makes my soul hurt

Indirect good

[mossy gull]

I like those keys, but they're a pain to find in AZERTY layout 😅

[cerulean helm]

Okay, so can definitely say the software for the keyboard is, buggy as all hell. Ended up uninstalling it, factory resetting the keyboard and just using the onboard lighting settings since I run a static color anyways. Lighting kept turning off after a 10-15 minute timeframe of the keyboard not being used. Even though I selected in the software for the lighting to never turn off. I'll see what happens when I don't run the software.

[jade scaffold]

I use their MX master 3 used the MX master 2 for like 5 years before that

I haven't charged my Mx master 3 in like 4 or 5 months and I use it alot

[mossy gull]

That brings back memories, 1st time I got 1 of those fancy Bluetrack mouse from Microsoft, lasted longer than a year just on batteries

[cerulean helm]

Saw this in another chat. Not sure the origin, but I love it.

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
https://ventiva.com/
https://youtu.be/fyai_kUYhLs

[jade scaffold]

Yee seen these

Though Dave doesn't seem to understand how air jet works

[mossy gull]

I think barely anyone does😅
But still cool to see it in action

[mossy gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MnCLVC9Gakc

[jade scaffold]

no people do

Dave calls air jet inefficient because it cant move a large VOLUME of air

the fact that airjet cant move a large VOLUME of air is irrelivant

because its not cooling by pushin air through a heatsink its cooling by blasting air off of the boundary layer of a surfact increasing the efficiency at which heat is transfered to air greatly

[jade scaffold]

it is truly incredible how hard it is to get Audeze headphone replacement pads in the UK

[jade scaffold]

Completely dissasembled them

super fuking grimy under thoes stupid adheasive earpads got a new suspension band and earpads comming soonish

[iron rock]

I have an audio problem I could use help with.

I have my computer hooked to an old Aiwa stereo, its what I have always used for my sound. its not a super fancy stereo, only has one of those crappy 3 option "EQ" and bass boost. the problem is watching movies on my computer. the base is always WAY to high with them even with the bass boost off and the EQ disabled.

I need a way to adjust this for watching streaming movies because I keep fighting with the volume, having to turn it up to hear dialog then down when the kabooms start happening

ideally without having to spend a $100 on an dedicated EQ to stick in line to my stereo

[mossy gull]

Only for watching video?
Or for everything?

And what program are you using to watch video with?

[iron rock]

streaming video, as in web browser. I use firefox

I dont really need it for anything else. music is fine because its a stereo so the audio is already balanced for that. games always have effects sliders so I can turn those down. its just watching streaming video.

there is a firefox added that adds an EQ but apperently it sucks

[mossy gull]

If its for a single program, you have to have 1 specifically for that program.
Or else you change it for everything.

[iron rock]

I dont care if it changes everything or just that one program. if it changes everything I will stimply turn it off or to a different profile when not watching movies

I just want an easy way to limit bass when watching movies

[mossy gull]

All I can find is this
https://helpdeskgeek.com/reviews/5-best-windows-10-equalizer-apps-for-better-sound/

My personal equalisers always been the hardware solution.

[jade scaffold]

Fixed

[cerulean helm]

Okay, this has me excited. A local hosted smart home assistant by the makers on Home Assistant.
https://www.home-assistant.io/voice-pe/

[surreal moss]

Ohhh

[cerulean helm]

Just ordered one, lol. This will replace my entire smart home voice controls for my house. And, you can run it locally if you have a system thats powerful enough to run a LLM or text to speech models. Which I will once my LLM machine is up and running.

Its only $59 USD. Which is nuts.

But you can also use the Home Assistant Cloud if you want. And looks to be privacy focused at least.

[peak shale]

ok so I I have a whole ass home network. nas, wireless router, 24 port switch, hard wired rooms all of it.

My girlfriend runs a cisco meraki unit for work and I think its fighting for DHCP whenever anything goes sideways and it tries to failover to my backup ISP

so I am thinking setting it up on a vlan and isolating it from everything else is possibly a solution here?

my literal IT guy is busy

I end up losing connection on every device on the network when this happens

unplug her stuff, reboot router and modem, plug her back in, and its fine until the next time I lose the primary ISP then it all gives up the ghost

[surreal moss]

Always. Be. Isolating

[peak shale]

yeah I am with ya

[surreal moss]

But yeah, that would work

[peak shale]

i am also lazy

ok cool

[surreal moss]

I would double down if you don’t control the cisco device

[peak shale]

I wasnt sure just how... forceful DHCP would be but vlan without any packet crossover sounds like it

now I just need to reach back..... 18 years and relearn it

this weekend though. she has to work tomorrow and im not gonna fuck it all up lol

[surreal moss]

I’m assuming the meraki is downstream from your isp connection?

[peak shale]

modem, my router, her router.

My modem only has a single port so I have a dedicated cable from mine to hers on one port, and the other port goes to my big ass switch

pretty sure like a year ago I set it up that way with intent to do this very thing

[surreal moss]

Mmmm

Like this?

Oh wait

[peak shale]

yus

well

no

uh

my router at the top

my switch at left

[surreal moss]

Yeah, I read that wrong

[peak shale]

modem at the extra top

[surreal moss]

Modem goes into the switch?

[peak shale]

modem to my router

my router to switch and her router in parallel

lan 1 and 2 out from router to switch and hers

[surreal moss]

So this

[peak shale]

yeah then my switch next to hers

[surreal moss]

Got it. Yeah, vlan should work for that

[peak shale]

hot

i grasp the uh... abstract concept of doing it but not the doing it part so I will ask my bro GPT

[surreal moss]

Keeps her work network out of your personal network

[peak shale]

i just know there's a packet isolation option, or should be

[cerulean helm]

I finally got the rest of my drive cages for the old HP server, finished installing Proxmox. And got my VM of Debian up and running.
Also discovered that the onboard raid array only can handle 2 logical drives and I need specific HP software if I want more. Lovely.

[cinder lagoon]

gpt is actually really horrible at anything network related apart from explaining basic words.
Putting stuff together or fixing connectivity problems is NOT on that resume lol

[peak shale]

and yet, it helped

and so far its worked fine

[cerulean helm]

Hmm, looking like TP-Link may about to be banned in the U.S. Thats, concerning.

[mossy gull]

That Chinese company that started existing since 1996?

[cerulean helm]

Yes. Some major networking retailers have already began pulling TP products. Its not a 100% guarantee, but its looking like it will be happening.

[mossy gull]

It could be that those shops are superstitious

[cerulean helm]

Or that retailers are reading what the U.S gov has stated on an ongoing investigation on TP link. Basically the reason for a ban starting in 2025 is major security flaws. The U.S Commerce Dep, Defense Dep, and the DOJ all have seperate investigations going.
Hence, I'm betting TP Link will no longer be sold in the U.S in 2025.

[mossy gull]

I love how they specifically target Chinese retailers, that while there's way more that fall under the category of "suspicious".

[cerulean helm]

Thats part of it. But there was also a scathing report from Microsoft that said via their data that TP link routers are some of the most compromised routers on the market in the U.S. So while its definitely political, its also not.

[mossy gull]

As someone who's pretty security focused, I never fully trusted TP-Link, but I also haven't trusted NetGear lately and their sub brands.

But even then, unless you use a highly secured search engine, you're data is compromised 1 way or another

[cerulean helm]

Its complicated basically. From political, to legitimate security flaws, to a very strange market share surge in just 4 years in the U.S. They went from a 19% share of the market in 2019 to 63% market share this year in the U.S.

I had a Netgear Modem while under Comcast for awhile. When I switched to Fiber I was able to dump it. Which I was happy to, as it had a firmware bug since last September that forced a rollback and a reduced upload speed from what I was paying for.

[mossy gull]

I had a NetGear router that crashed 10 minutes into playing CoD or Star Citizen after a router update 😅
I even RMAd the router and they said nothing was wrong, they even did a switcheroo to a V2 model which was even worse🤣

The V2 had a more locked down firmware

[jade scaffold]

Total money spent on it about £350

A lil build I did last night for my friends cousin using some old parts of my friends and some others he bought for it

[cinder lagoon]

it's not just the security flaws, it's the fact that it will harm practically EVERY customer of them and cause carm on potentially all devices in the network because TP-Link refuses to close the backdoors which make effectively every one of their devices part of a bot net

it's more that they want to protect customers from being part of a botnet or extruded for ransom when inevitably they try to infect the devices on the network

they've been notified about the back doors years ago and they are in literally every device of them

[jade scaffold]

Huuuuuge spot for GPU

[cinder lagoon]

ohhh daaang nice pcb ^^

[jade scaffold]

5090 PCB

[cinder lagoon]

CHONKY GPU

wait does this monster have 32 memory chips!?

[jade scaffold]

No 16 2gb ones

4090 fe for reference

[cinder lagoon]

nothing on the back?

[jade scaffold]

Nope

There haven't been back mounted memory modules since the Rev1 3090

[cinder lagoon]

ohh I seem to have been off the planet's surface for some time 🤔

you know why tho?
Like it's probably easier to create equal length traces if you can "stack" stuff

[jade scaffold]

Cooling

The total power if the VRAM on my 3090 is 130w

And that was gddr6(x?)

Imagine gddr7s power consumption

[cinder lagoon]

ohhh yea makes sense... just the backplate doesn't do the job anymore

[jade scaffold]

Imagine the power consumption of the 5090s chips

They're like 32 bit chips

16 of them

[cerulean helm]

According to Wccftech the 32GB 5090 is a 600W TBP. Remains to be seen if that is true or not though.

And my Home Assistant Voice Preview Edition arrived. Just need to assemble to Home Assistant PC server and the fun begins.

[cerulean helm]

And just finished the rest of the order for the Home Assistant "AI" pc.
Using old hardware I had lying around plus an Ebay motherboard. Going with a 6700k cpu. A Gigabyte Z170 G1 Gaming board. With 2x 2080 ti gpus in SLI and 32GB of ram.
Found an EVGA 1300W PSU for the same price as their 1000W so slight overkill on the power. All going in a Fractal North case.

[sonic meadow]

SLI or just two cards? Most non-game tasks tended to just.. use more GPUs without needing sli/crossfire

[mossy gull]

Depending on the program, some can use multiple GPUs without a GPU bridge

[sonic meadow]

Yes. Precisely

[mossy gull]

Like Maya3D can use up to 2 GPU if they aren't bridged

[cinder lagoon]

that's very threadable task tho - rendering (single pass) mostly does not need to know data of the other part of the image
I'd expect language models and voice synthesis to need to know the "other half of the image"

[mossy gull]

It's useful when you render on the fly, I think both get a different instruction as they're not equally loaded

[sacred seal]

LLMs can typically be run off of two cards

Or even more

[jade scaffold]

it wont be 600w

the early power consumption leaks come soley from the spec that NVidia recomend board partners build their coolers to

[sonic meadow]

I remember people panicking about the 4090 in the same way, only for actual power usage to be much lower

[jade scaffold]

well the 4090 early on might have been

the origional Speced cooler for the 4090 was a 900W capable design

but i believe at that time NVidia hadnt figured out what node they were gonna be using

[mossy gull]

Maya3D, or the license I have goes up to 2 GPU without a GPU bridge, or 4 if you do usea GPU bridge.
But then I don't want to pay 10K for a single GPU😅

[jade scaffold]

Right?!

instead spedn 10K on a CPU

[sacred seal]

Blender you dont even need to have the GPU in the same computer

[mossy gull]

I don't know all Maya3D can do, all I know is it can do 2 and 4 GPUs 😅

[cinder lagoon]

true, blender has some great plugins for render-farms but it's only viable for video since it sends individual frames to the different computers. can't do half frames or whatever

[mossy gull]

I personally don't like Blender, I have tried it, but I miss many things I use in Maya,

But yes, Blender has many fun plug-ins

[cinder lagoon]

well one is for CAD, the other for CAD and Movie

[mossy gull]

You can make entire videos in Maya3D.

[mossy gull]

I wonder if I can use it for AI video editing 😅

[cinder lagoon]

wait not sure what i was on about I meant Blender was built for 3D animation i.E. Movie, while Maya stems from Autodesk which makes it infitely more suitable for CAD (tho it also has Movie capabilities) lmao

[mossy gull]

You can import AutoCat into Maya3D, but not the other way around.

Maya3D compatibility with for example drawing displays that aren't from Wacom is much much better.
Like there's proper Windows Ink support in Maya3D, it was a massive pain to work with in Blender.

I think currently Maya is also better in movie production as it's often the choice by bigger firms.

But I guess it really depends on what you want to do.
I so far can make more use of Maya, while others prefer Blender.

[cinder lagoon]

most bigger firms rock their own or highly specialiced software like WEKA Studios or Pixar with their in-house rendering engine

[mossy gull]

All I know is movies like Transformers and Spiderman used Maya3D for their rendering 😅

But yeah, more and more will use their own tools.

[cinder lagoon]

huh dang that explains the similar look and feel of them :o

[mossy gull]

Yep😅
I didn't know either, but the movies still looked really cool.

Wait, does that mean that Marvel movies also use Maya?

[cinder lagoon]

no I think its just the old spider man movies from sony

[jade scaffold]

Jesus looks at the size of that contact frame

The die is bigger than the 2080tis die but even compared to the 2080ti the substrate itself is enormous probably as a result of the memory bus

[cerulean helm]

SLI, GPUs will be used by a local LLM for Home Assistant.

[sonic meadow]

From some reading, SLI doesn't seem to do anything of note over just having multiple GPUs. For LLMs that is

[jade scaffold]

NVLink does allow for resource pooling though

this resourse pooling has some advantages over running a link over just PCIE alone

[sonic meadow]

the reading I did showed that it was a negligible advantage for the most part

[jade scaffold]

it depends what you are doing

Training is where it matters most

its why all nvidias AI chips are designed now to all act as a huge single instance GPU

[cerulean helm]

I read that it might speed up inference. But, it can't hurt really. Plus I'll finally get to use that SLI bridge for my 2 2080 ti cards.

[peak shale]

sent the girlfriend down to her work computer like a week ago to verify it was online

she went and looked at the lights and said "yep its good"

it was not good, and now I spent the last 10 minutes figuring out what it needs to get the vlan configuration properly set up and assign it a static IP and she's half an hour late for work now

at least, in theory, her router shouldn't try to take over DHCP for everything and brick my whole network

[mossy gull]

Oh it definitely will happen 🤣

[peak shale]

not anymore now that its isolated from everything else

[mossy gull]

Good, because it'll suck

If it goes wrong

[peak shale]

yeah, it bricks my whole network. I just went over this

this has happened a couple times since she started that job

[hasty rose]

Having trouble shrinking my C: Volume because of a $BitMap::DATA file... what should I do?

[sacred seal]

I would do the shrink with a live linux, it works better

[mossy gull]

I use to be surprised by what Linux can do that Windows can't.
Now I am just disappointed by Windows with many things '

[sacred seal]

The issue with shrinking in windows is it cannot move a file that is currently in use

Using a live linux bypasses that

It has nothing to do with windows, a linux install would have the same issue

[cerulean helm]

Okay, this has my attention.
$115 shipped and it comes with a Xeon E5 2680 V4 on a x99 board with 2x 2.5gb lan ports. A dedicated VGA port, 10x sata ports, 2x pcie 3 x16, 1 x8 slot. Just what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMfB0lhCr6o

[hasty rose]

Elaborate a bit...

[sacred seal]

Set up a live linux (bootable linux on a usb) and use gparted to do the resize

You will need a linux iso (I use umbuntu but you can choose whatever) and rufus

[surreal moss]

Make sure bitlocker isn't enabled

[jade scaffold]

I'm waiting for Intel's Xeon6s to drop in price

Or we'll appear on eBay atall

[cinder lagoon]

windows can do do it actually, there's just some system files that for no reason can't be "moved".
a regular defrag can help, there's also a defragging program that can identify the blocks and move them to the start of the partition

[cinder lagoon]

temporarily paused should do the trick

[cerulean helm]

Good grief. In preparation for when I switch over to Home Assistant I am finally setting up separate Vlans and wifi networks for my IoT devices. I do not like this amount of tedious work with all the firewall rules.

[sacred seal]

I have never had much luck with dfraging working, I would say 1 in 3 or so

So my brother computer is not working after bieng unused for an extended period of time, and I am trying to remote diagnose it through not super tech competent parernts.

When the power button is pressed the screen will light up and the windows spinning throbber will display. No bios options before that. It will remain like that forever.
About a week ago my parents booted up the system and it did that as well, but it fixed iteself after 8 hours

My brother has been away for awhile so his computer was not in use for the last 4 months

Ideas?

[surreal moss]

Tell me how bad it is

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dhr4MC

[mossy gull]

The CPU is starting to show its age

[surreal moss]

What else

[timber barn]

what is the goal of that?

[mossy gull]

You can get a cheaper SSD, like the 980 Pro, but that little difference is very little I see these days😅
And for the specs you can probably save 50.- and get an 850w PSU or lower.
And a bit more expensive CPU cooler from Peerless Assassin

@surreal moss
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rwvBLc
I edited the list a bit

20% faster CPU and almost 120,- cheaper

[surreal moss]

I went with the higher wattage power supply to allow room for a gpu upgrade in the future. Mostly this is for @rancid plank's benefit

[mossy gull]

Ah, well then you still save almost 100,-

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DnVxHW

[rancid plank]

looks good, not a fan of the white case though. Are all the good cases around that same pricepoint?

[mossy gull]

If you stay around the same price, take my build and you can get a more expensive case

[rancid plank]

main priorities are making sure it's underbudget (while not sacrificing much) and solid performance

[mossy gull]

Whats your budget?

1K?

I read in the other chat ITX?

[rancid plank]

I'm thinking about building an ITX PC specifically for games with ultra good graphics (atomic heart, SC, Hell Let Loose, etc.) for SC specifically I'm intending to play on Ultra High graphics settings. PC builds nowawadys can get pretty extreme. The laptop upgrade was cheaper than I expected, but my budget is about $1,600-1,800.

yeah something small

[mossy gull]

Is this with or without tax?

[rancid plank]

oh shit tax

[surreal moss]

That was on the cheaper end for cases without buying NZXT

[rancid plank]

I was thinking more of something like this

even though it's not ITX

I'll do some more digging to see if I can find the ITX version

[surreal moss]

Just make sure it still can take an ITX board

[rancid plank]

yeah

[surreal moss]

oh, I got you

Doesn't look like Fractal has an ITX version of North. The Terra might be what you're thinking? Cheapest I'm seeing is $180

[rancid plank]

damn, can't seem to find the exact one

yeah the one I'm remembering had those wood accents but it was in either a mini ATX or Micro ITX form factor

[surreal moss]

oh, maybe this?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1852666-REG/lian_li_a3_matx_wd_black_a3_matx_mini_tower_case_with.html

[rancid plank]

YES

ahh nuts, sold out

oh nevermind, showing availability on PC part picker

[surreal moss]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-000Z-000E0?Item=2AM-000Z-000E0&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

[rancid plank]

yeah, that's the same price I'm seeing too

[mossy gull]

@rancid plank
what about this
Bit more expensive than the last 1 but with more recent components and it supports newer CPUs if you ever need 1
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LXr4MC

[surreal moss]

I'd probably do an AIO with that

[mossy gull]

Its still µATX but its smaller than the big case

[rancid plank]

how would the performance be on SC?

are the radeon cards any good?

only ever used Nvidia

[surreal moss]

Radeon is solid anymore

Has been this whole time but they're making up a lot of ground lately

[mossy gull]

The only experience I have with this GPU is with my handheld, and I can say, SC will hit over 30FPS, but keep in mind this is on an 8840U, PCIe 4X 4.0 7600XT with 32GB RAM

[rancid plank]

comes nicely under-budget too!

[mossy gull]

My screen res is 3440x1440

So thats a weaker CPU and half the PCIe bandwidth

[rancid plank]

hmmm

[rancid plank]

if it's a weaker CPU, what CPU would be a step up from that one, obviously without going overbudget

[mossy gull]

I mean my CPU is weaker, but 250,- more you can get the famous 7800X3D

[grizzled oracle]

Double check dims on the 7600 for the case, those bad boys are LONG

[surreal moss]

Drop the PSU to a lower wattage and RAM to 48Gb to save some money and you can probably make the jump up to the next one.

[surreal moss]

right

[rancid plank]

If we downgrade the PSU, will it still have enoug wattage to run the game smoothly?

[mossy gull]

Even with 750w you can run the game smoothly

[rancid plank]

ok, good

[mossy gull]

The GPU can pull 200w
Or well my AsRock can

[surreal moss]

Dimensions for the 7600 XT should be fine

gonna be tight on the width though

[grizzled oracle]

LONG boy

[mossy gull]

Most 7600XT are 2 to 2.5 slots, in that picture is a 4 slot behemoth

[surreal moss]

I was reading the numbers, not what was in the picture itself

[mossy gull]

I know, but I thought I point it out

[mossy gull]

Ever seen a 3 fan 7600XT, they are long boys

[grizzled oracle]

Only other thing that jumps out is 5600x for $30 more and a solid cooling plan, those parts will get toasty in an ATX case

[rancid plank]

what speed should the RAM be? Anything above 6000 is at least $120

but will the 5400 or 5200 DDR5 be sufficient for SC

[grizzled oracle]

I do great w 48gb 3200 ddr4 so no doubt

[rancid plank]

ok, good

someone mentioned about upgrading the cooler to an AIO

how much will that jump the cost up by?

I have a AIO cooler in my rig, and my CPU temps are always nice and chilly

[mossy gull]

Depends on the AiO

[rancid plank]

hmm all the ones I'm finding on PCPP are too big

[mossy gull]

Whats PCPP?

[rancid plank]

PC Part Picker

wanted to type faster so I abbreviated

thoughts on this one? haven't checked dims yet

exactly what I feared, more than 3x the cost of the previous one

[surreal moss]

I'd plan on putting the radiator on the top. Looks like that case supports 360mm and 280mm

[rancid plank]

yeah that's what I was thinking too

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnYvjn

any adjustments I should make?

what about the Wi-Fi card?

[surreal moss]

I am not the one to ask about a wifi card. I hardwire all the time. You can downgrade the PSU to 750w to open up the budget for it though

[rancid plank]

oh, duh, the Motherboard has an ethernet

yes, it does

alright!

thanks for your help guys!

[mossy gull]

Anytime, and the wifi on the board is decent

[cinder lagoon]

guessing, you didn't get this fixed yet?
never heard about an issue like that - only reasonable explanation is windows being windows.
I would try running the dism command 5 times (reboot if appropriate) and sfc also 5 times afterwarsd

[cerulean helm]

Just ordered that case for a server build. Will be here Thursday.

[jade scaffold]

why the EK AIO?

you can get the artic liquid freezer III 240 for $75

the Liquid Freezer III is considered by far the best AIO cooler

[rancid plank]

First one I saw on PC part picker than met the specs

[rancid plank]

Hmm good to know

Once I finish cooking dinner, I’ll make the changes and reupload

Thanks for the tip!

[jade scaffold]

also is the 7600xt still worth 330 us thats alot

with the money saved on that cooler you are then only like $20 off a 7700xt an imo much better card for the price

[rancid plank]

Good to know

[jade scaffold]

do you have a specific budget?

[rancid plank]

Original post

Budget backstory, in case you’re curious! #starcitizen message

[jade scaffold]

oh my lord you have alot of budget

why is everyone building for like 1.1k

in that price teritory where you can comfortably fit a 7900xtx or 4080 into it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7bCjHW

for $1625

you could build this a system well in excess of 2x as fast as the 7600xt builds you were recomended before

depending on tax that would still total to less than 1800

[mossy gull]

Because if max budget is 1.6K.
In the US, tax is afterwards

[sacred seal]

Unfortunately they cant even get into the bios

[tender plank]

I fucking hate that so few phones these days have a headphone jack. When I was getting my current one I was going for battery life and the only ones with a headphone jack at the time was like 10th on the list so I just bit the bullet and got one without it. I just had the USB-C adaptor die on me which was rather frustrating. So I went and got another one, and it died before I even got home. "Oh well just use bluetooth", great, even worse quality than I'm getting from the USB-C adaptors and I need to replace the wired IEMs that I already have.

And the whole "Oh, but it makes the phones thicker" is such BS, they're all just as thick as they were even with a headphone jack.

Same as when phone manufacturers stopped supporting using wired headphones for picking up radio.

[mossy gull]

Chinese phones likr Ulefone still have a headphone jack, and a massive battery, but a shitty screen😅

[tender plank]

Yeah, I didn't want to get a sketchy phone since at the time I was using my phone for authentication stuff at work.

[mossy gull]

That's why I have 2.
1 for outdoor shinanigans and the other for normal stuff

[sacred seal]

I used to have a pixel 3a that I used for that purpose, I think it is one of the most modern name brand phones that kept it

NVM, apparently they only got rid of it with the 6a

[mossy gull]

I wish bigger brands would make good rugged phones, currently only Chinese make good rugged phones

I prefer thicker phones personally, they feel sturdy and more expensive.

Most phones have glass, it really doesn't make them feel premium anymore, plus their battery life sucks

[cinder lagoon]

I can only recommend Sennheiser momentum 4s - >40h battery life, 2.5mm headphone jack, Aptx adaptive codex, great sound and great noise cancelling.
Can be used via USB C charging port aswell

Ohh wait misread that thought the headphones died

[jade scaffold]

1.6-1.8 unless you are somewhere with 20% tax 1.6k would still keep you under 1.8k finally

[tender plank]

May as well have. I'm rather losing my trust in the USB-C adaptors. I was looking at the momentums a while back. A minor loss in quality is better than randomly losing your ability to listen to stuff at all so I just ordered a pair.

[mossy gull]

Been looking for a proper amp for well over 1.5 years now, but they all cost more than my fucking phone which makes no sense

[tender plank]

What amps have you been looking at? Or is your phone only worth like $100?

[mossy gull]

Good, not too bulky, USB-C to Mini jack amp, but here in the Netherlands they are rare and very hard to get

Something nice to have on a motorbike

[tender plank]

https://sites.google.com/view/dacampadvice/portable/100-or-more?authuser=0

https://sites.google.com/view/dacampadvice/portable/under-100?authuser=0

[mossy gull]

Are Fiio good?

[tender plank]

I'm using a Fiio DAC for my desktop setup.

Haven't had any issues with it.

[mossy gull]

Aye, ill look into it then😅

[cinder lagoon]

Imo the momentums are the top product between the Sony's and JBLs , especially because they cost pretty much the same if not less.
They also function unpowered via the 2.5mm tho at a loss in sound quality

[tender plank]

https://www.soundguys.com/sennheiser-momentum-true-wireless-4-vs-sony-wf-1000xm5-113533/

Ahh. I didn't realize the Momentum wireless and Momentum true wireless were VERY different products.

Figured they were just different feature sets.

https://www.soundguys.com/sennheiser-momentum-4-wireless-vs-sony-wh-1000xm5-77658/

[tender plank]

For use at home I've got my wired headphones that works well for my needs. I have IEMs so I can easily have only one in when I'm out walking and doing stuff near roads. So I need wireless earbuds if I'm replacing my IEMs.

[jade scaffold]

I use the Sony Link buds S and Nothing Ear (2024)

the Link buds are open back so they are great for work or if you want to be able to hear arround you
the Nothing Ears are pretty comfortable and have good noise canceling for train rides and the likes

at home i use big boi studio headphones

[mossy gull]

I don't like open ear earbuds and I also don't like the stem on earbuds, it's uncomfortable under the helmet.

[jade scaffold]

used to use sonys Xm4 buds but they are too large imo

they also push way too far into the ear canal i dont like buds that push into the ear canal

[jade scaffold]

Into the Itx case you go

with uhhh very little clearance

[cinder lagoon]

What no I mean Sennheiser Momentum 4 - not more, not less
Well thats that, stupid naming scheme
Seems like we completely misunderstood eachother :/ my bad I guess..

[grizzled oracle]

Does anyone know if I’m going to gain any tangible benefit by reducing my 240hz monitor to 144hz?

Am I correct in assuming that actual hz are tethered to a game’s fps?

I noticed I have virtually no screen tearing after bumping from 60hz to 240hz, but am wondering if I’m hurting performance or display by making the achievable cap on the monitor higher than a game can push on my machine?

[mossy gull]

Some displays will go to 10-bit once you lower the refreshrate

[cinder lagoon]

It depends on the exact model and the HDMI/DP spec of the monitor / cable / GPU

Most likely you will have reduced blur / trailing caused by the pixel response times.
Given that 240 seems fairly quick I'm going to assume you have a mid tier OLED display which does not have any improvement in image clarity at lower refresh rates.
There is an exception: high density (4K) high refresh rates (>200) are dependant on the HDMI/dp-spec only possible with Display stream compression (which hurts your image quality)

Many monitors advertised refresh rates nowadays are actually an overclock, so not using the overclock is going to help longevity and image clarity.

Reduced tearing should come from using tech like G-Sync or Free-Sync, feel free to Google how to use either with your current setup

[grizzled oracle]

Can’t find the exact model but it’s a 27” 240hz Samsung UHD(?) 1080p using dp

I’m using free sync but I was using free sync when it was tearing at 60 as well, which is totally absent now at 240

I guess I’m splitting hairs with performance if it’s fine at 240hz but I can’t help but want to know if it can do better

[mossy gull]

4K/UHD panels suck at showing 1080p because it has to combine pixels in a lower resolution.

But I know from Samsung, if you lower the refreshrate it'll go to 10-bit

[grizzled oracle]

Ya I read downscaling a crazy 4k OLED was not the move and I’m trying to min max my seemingly perfectly fine display to compensate for not burning $600

[sonic meadow]

1080p on a 4k panel is actually one of the best cases, since its an integer scale. Though as with all scaling it depends on the monitor (or your graphics driver, iirc nvidia can do the scaling itself 🤔)

[mossy gull]

I always had terrible scaling on monitors, while it's fine on TVs, actually pretty amazing, it was absolute garbage on monitors.

I don't know if smart monitors still have the same issue though.

Although I mostly had Samsung monitors, and my LG 45GR95QE-B doesn't want to go down to 2560x1080.
But my C1 can go down to 720p and still looks pretty good.

I think it's because TVs have to be amazing with upscaling because not everyone can receive a 4K output from their TV provider.

[sacred seal]

So cursed computer keeps getting more cursed. Managed to get into the bios by unplugging one of the monitors. Want to reinstall windows, but first want to get the data off the drive. Made a live linux drive, but the bios does not recognize it.
However the computer recognized a windows usb stick, and the linux stick is recognized by other computers...

[mossy gull]

That's weird, have you tried a different Linux distro and/or other software to put it on a stick with?

[sacred seal]

Nope, but the stick works in other computers so that seems unlikely

[mossy gull]

Well, maybe the motherboard only recognises the Windows format but not the Linux format, which is weird, unlikely and I never seen it before

[sonic meadow]

or its efi and the system doesnt recognize efi booting. or bios and it doesnt support bios booting

[mossy gull]

It's weird though, even my MacBook 2008 supports it

[surreal moss]

Macs support efi

@sacred seal you might have to root around in the bios to change it from whatever boot mode it’s using to efi

[sacred seal]

Yeah that could be it. Now to figure out how to explain that to the parents via voice call...

[cinder lagoon]

Gahd damn

As a now professional at this - I would definitely have called the device in for in-person-access

[mossy gull]

Sounds like a long and irritating voice call

[mossy gull]

I have that on my resumé, as a mute

[cinder lagoon]

From my experience doin stuff like that remote through a hand puppet is nearly impossible, because after about 5 minutes everybody hates eachother

[mossy gull]

5 Minutes?
Usually in 5 seconds people get mad.

In my experience with most issues people have to restart their system, and when I TTS that to them they get mad at me saying they have been doing it, I TTS them to do it once again and then suddenly their PC is fixed

[sacred seal]

I wish I could... But I am in Japan and they are in canada. Fortunately my dad is more tech savvy than most, taught me how to take apart a computer, but on the software side he is not great.

[cinder lagoon]

I've started explaining what a proper restart is and why it works to people and they've been more understanding to me.
I can imagine that many people find TTS annoying after 5 seconds - probably makes them feel like they're talking to a bot who doesn't actually understand them

[cerulean helm]

My Fractal North case arrived today. Even though its a mid tower, its so tiny. I've only ever built in full towers, lol.

AI PC/Server build will start on the weekend.

[light cipher]

I am looking for a Discord Bot where I can manage my Discord users [Star Wars] credit balance.
I recently started a Discord roleplay server and wanted an interactive way of the players having a immersive and trackable currency that isn't "cookies" or "Dolars" or what have you.
do you know of any such bots?

[surreal moss]

opens the trap door
@glad tide Would anyone in #tabletop know of something like that?

[cinder lagoon]

I've found that the official bot repo is quite useful for finding specific stuff like that. Maybe there's even a Star wars currency bot, but credits / coins absolutely exist there.
Have you checked there yet?

[light cipher]

Could you get me a link?

[glad tide]

Im unaware at one.

@shrewd mauve do you know of such a thing?

I'll poke the other GMs as well.

[cinder lagoon]

I don't think so - if you're in the menu for adding a bot there's a browser for it

[light cipher]

Ah anyways thank you for your help

It was very apreciated

[glad tide]

I've posted in the GM channel to see if another GM has something

[shrewd mauve]

The D1-C3 discord bot has functionality to keep track of individual player's credits...? but it's also a general character tracker, so it has a bunch of other functionality

I always find Discord bots to get in the way a bit, but if that's your thing, I think that might work

[light cipher]

I'll go check it, I apreciate all of your attention

Ah shucks... it is also not working

[cinder lagoon]

Somewhat at my end (without reinstalling windows i guess)
https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1323716148935659643
ntoskrnl bluescreens

[tender plank]

They arrived today. They're pretty good and do exactly what I need them to. Audio quality is predictably lacking compared to wired, but they're still clean and clear.

[cinder lagoon]

Glad they're acceptable even tho I didnt mean them xD

[rancid plank]

yeah, thinking of upgrading my travel over-ear headphones

which one of the above two is better?

[jade scaffold]

for noise canceling the sonys boddy everything that currently exsists

[rancid plank]

thought so

[jade scaffold]

and their sound quality really isnt bad either

[rancid plank]

I have the WH-1000XM3s

[jade scaffold]

they are a bit basy but the sony headphone app is easy to use and has an EQ built into it

[rancid plank]

starting to crackle a bit, but I remember when I first got them they were INCREDIBLE

[jade scaffold]

Bought a new PSU
went for Bequiets Dark Power Pro 13 mainly because of its ability to run a combined 12v rail as well as run at double its rated power output for short times making any transient spikes practically irrelevant

[rancid plank]

for SC, Hell Let Loose, Cyberpunk, Atomic Heart, etc. does it make a difference wether I go with a Radeon or Nvidida card?

trying to alter my previous PC Part Picker list with your reccs

I assume they're comparable spec-wise, so it's a matter of budget which one you'd go with, right?

[jade scaffold]

not really

just get which ever you can get for less

either way you'll be happy

[rancid plank]

nice

This is the one you had, upon looking at some videos and comparing prices, I think this will be the final revision: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7bCjHW

Quick questions:

1. I know the board has ethernet, and I plan to use it with ethernet primarily, but should I still invest in a wifi card/receiver just in case?

2. Thermal compound: I was planning on using the one I used when I built my first PC (Arctic MX-4) Since that was over 5 years ago, Have any new thermal compounds came out since then that are good?

3. Sort of unrelated, but does anyone have any good speaker reccs? Since it won't be my primary setup, I don't need nothing too extravagant, but something solid without breaking the bank would be good!

[cinder lagoon]

Can't agree
At least in sheer volume. Maybe they cancel certain noises better. Could be.

[cinder lagoon]

Imo the momentum 4 have the vastly better sound - not so trendy (as in wow bass woohoo) but far more accurate

[rancid plank]

interesting

[cinder lagoon]

More class, less droning pop

So if you value trueness to the creators intentions
Definitely Sennheiser

[jade scaffold]

its not an agreeal thing its objective fact

sonys block out a wider range of noise better with less hiss less pressure

the senhiesers probably sound better

but they arent balenced

neither headphone is for thoes who want to listen to the "intentions" of the artists

like the sonys the momentum 4s are turbo bassy

they do have better clarity but if noise canceling is your main thing sony just wins outright if you want good sound quality and not to hear anything arround you get propper IEMs they isolate sound to death anyway and are actually accurate

[cinder lagoon]

Nah i think you never had one of those JBLs on, momentums don't even have basse in comparison.
I've tried all three of them they are not comparable. Momentums are the closest to flat even without the flat EQ

They are the closest to a price/performance monster

At least in the category wireless over-ears

[jade scaffold]

I think you might be deaf if you perceive that frequency graph at anything that could be considered flat

Like that frequency response graph looking awfully xb1000 like

[cinder lagoon]

Not what I said

But there's these headphones that basically shake your entire head on normal setting and these ones don't

[jade scaffold]

If with that frequency response they don't shake your head that's a bad thing

That means it's probably failing at hitting those tones properly which means the base would be cloudy AF

Like the xb1000s have a physical kick to them and insane separation but if you have a tonne of bass and no sub bass then your bass just sounds empty

But from all accounts the momentum 4s sound great but aren't anything close to flat

If you care about artist intentions buy IEMs none of the noise canceling headphones of any brand are suitable without like 8 hours of tuning them as accurate listening headphones not even close to it

[jade scaffold]

Really excited for the announcement just 14 or so hours to go

My new PSU comes Wednesday

Can't wait to see how much more performance I get

[mossy gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/oNaK1pOLzcw

[jade scaffold]

AMDs CES has started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJoaV5NnPtw

well that was kinda boring

man basically said ai 50 times and walked off stage

what are you NVidia

[timber barn]

actually it just ended

9950X3D looks nice

but thats about it

when is the Nivida keynote?

in 6 hours?

think it was 6pm PST

[mossy gull]

No 9070XT announcements.
Ryzen Ultra+ sounds good though

[jade scaffold]

6 hours 20 mins

[timber barn]

LTT is fast https://youtu.be/mNP-qhGdWvM

[jade scaffold]

i hope nvidia announce GPUs

yea no this was shit all the presenters were shit
no lisa
no gpus

[timber barn]

Linus has some RDNA4 news

[jade scaffold]

well its just the news that was in the show

its not actually GPU news

[timber barn]

seems like they align their names to Green

[jade scaffold]

we have known for a year near enough that their new chips have slightly improved everything

but we have no GPU specs

so we dont know how powerfull they are

AMD are worried people are gonna see the 9070xt (fucking really?) getting its ass beat by the 7900xtx in pure raster and not buy it

the AI Max is interesting but we've known its exact specs for like 6 months now

so like its not surprising and they didnt show any really fun benchmarks or anything interesting about it other than confirming its a speedy apu and that the specs we already knew are right

the Z2GO the ONLY chip that makese sense for a handheld is Zen3 Why the fuck AMD

could have made a steam deck level apu with 2x the battery life but you fucking didnt ass hats

[mossy gull]

I do like we get it in devices like the Zephyrus Z13, finally a worthy replacement for my Surface Book 2

I am still disappointed they didn't show the 9070XT, I know it's not top of the line, but it would be something

[jade scaffold]

yea

i hope to god its as fast as the 7900xtx

and not the 7900gre

[mossy gull]

They said the speed of the 7900XT, but the question is, is that by their benchmarks or ours, if it would perform even close to the 7900XTX with much better RT, then it would be a buy for me.
But if not, I might go Nvidia this round, and I will miss features like AFMF if I do this, which is a nice thing to have with older games that are locked at 30fps.

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k82RwXqZHY8

[jade scaffold]

i stg if nvidia just say AI 50 times then walk off stage i will explode

give me info on the new cards then you can natter about AI

[jade scaffold]

HOLY SHIT

5070 faster than 4090

im in disbelief

5090 2x as fast as the 4090

more expensive though

2k

also all 2 slots

HOW

[surreal moss]

The 3000 series all over again

[jade scaffold]

no its not

the 4090 is 1.5x faster than the 4080

the 2080ti was only like 20% faster than the 2080

to make that GAP is INSANE

AT HALF THE FUCKING POWER MIND YOU

WHAT THE FUCK

[surreal moss]

The 3060 was more powerful than the 2080 at the time the 3000 series was announced

That was the reference I was making

[balmy flicker]

so getting a 50 serise if you can would be a good upgrade from a 30 serise card

[surreal moss]

If you can’t run anything with the 30 series, yeah. No need to drop money just because it exists though

[balmy flicker]

hmm will know if I care when wilds comes out

[jade scaffold]

yea but the 2080 was kinda total potato

[balmy flicker]

2080 had raytracing and that was about it

the real question is there a 5060

[jade scaffold]

not yet

[sonic meadow]

every two generations nvidia lops off the lowest sku. soon it will only be the 90 series in a generation

more seriously though, a low-sku version of the current gen as a display adaptor would be useful for some markets. okay gaming performance, but more importantly current gen enc/decoding and power efficiency

[sacred seal]

A 5030 of sorts

Or even a 5010

[surreal moss]

[sonic meadow]

Exactly!

Could probably make a 5010 m.2 sized 😆

[jade scaffold]

im so excited to get mine when i can

[sonic meadow]

so apparently as someone with a 2060 super I dont need to upgrade at all 😛

[jade scaffold]

gosh what a wild ride that was
I have not been this excited for a GPU launch in a very very long time
sad we got no release date tho

[sonic meadow]

just wish I had money. my 2060s is beginning to get a bit long in the teeth. especially with all the stuff integrating RT stuff now

[sacred seal]

2k for a 5090? That price creep is crazy. What was the 4090, like 1400?

[sonic meadow]

it does claim to be substantially more powerful, at least on raw perf figures (real life will see how powerful it actually is of course)

but daaaamn, thats a lot of dosh

I havent had a top (numbered, not the top sku within the number) since the 9800. and iirc it was a gen old when I got it anyway

[jade scaffold]

1600

and also the 5090 is a max sized die the 4090 isnt and its memory bus is 512 bit vs 384 bit wich does actually make a big differnce that and 32gb of GDDR7 vs 24GB of GDDR6x

[surreal moss]

You can still build something that can play everything on the market today for the price of that card alone

[sacred seal]

Looking at the specs

16000 vs 22000 Cuda cores
1600 vs 2000 dollars

By the looks of things the cost performance ratio is probably not going to be amazing.

[surreal moss]

The only thing I can think of to pick up a 5090 is for the Tensor cores and training

[sacred seal]

Basically 10% extra cuda cores and 33% more ram per dollar. For what, twoish years? That's not great value increase

[sonic meadow]

the number of cuda cores is.. a non-figure.
like the megahertz wars of old, its a number thas only comparable within the same generation architecture, and even then barely so

[jade scaffold]

Cuda cores always trend upwards in performance generation to generation

But ofcourse it's the combined sum of a GPU that makes it's performance up

[sonic meadow]

while the trend is generally upwards, I could definitely see a case where they figure out how to make them smaller at the cost of individual performance, thus allowing them to fit many more (and thus increase overall performance). or the opposite - bigger and fatter, thus less of them but more performance

as a general thing though, die shrinks even with the same design will allow for an increase in performance due to lower power consumption and increased switching (ie frequency) capbility

[jade scaffold]

But the 5090 has 1.8x the memory bandwidth it has 1.4x the number of cores a comparable boost block it has a wider memory bus which has its own benefits separate from sheer bandwidth alone

It's also the cheapest 32gb vram card at retail ever

[sonic meadow]

I was meaning purely hypothetically/theoretically with my comments just then

[jade scaffold]

Yea I'm just saying some people are saying the 5090 is alot and it is alot of money but it's not alot of money for no reason

It is the highest end we have ever seen a GPU in over a decade

[sonic meadow]

yeah. the numbers are seeming more like some of the generation improvements we saw with say... the 900-1000 cards, or a few other times

[jade scaffold]

If the 5070 is actually as fast as the 4090 that would be totally nuts

I have some doubts

[sonic meadow]

probably draws like half the power to do it too 😆

do we have tdp figures for the 5000 cards yet?

[jade scaffold]

I can see the 5090 being 2x as fast like I said it's a huge jump in specs

The 5070 was stated to be half the power of the 4090

So 225w

[sonic meadow]

and the 40 series was massively more efficient than the 30 series cards too

[jade scaffold]

The 5090 is 575w which is probably why it's clock speeds are lower as the 5080 which has a 360w tdp with under half the cores

[sonic meadow]

people might have complained that the low end 40 series cards werent an improvement over the 30 series ones, but they did the same thing at about half the pwoer

[jade scaffold]

I'll be very excited to get my new GPU

[sonic meadow]

what are you getting?

or planning to

[jade scaffold]

January 30th they come out

5090

[sonic meadow]

big spender

[jade scaffold]

Yep

Wanted a minimum uplift of 2x over my 3090

If the 5090 is as fast as they say I might get 3.6x

Which is great I'll finally make good use of my monitors 240hz refresh rate

[sonic meadow]

if you arent getting a solid improvement, then its often not worth upgrading. the figure I have typically tried going with is 25% or so, but of course more is better.. unless said more comes from you waiting too long between upgrades

[jade scaffold]

I only upgrade my GPU if I can double my performance

1080ti -> 3090 -> 5090

Have you seen the new cooler design

Nvidia somehow doing 575w in 2 slot

[sonic meadow]

ear protection not included

tbf, the 30/40 series coolers were also incredibly compact compared to the AIB cards

[jade scaffold]

Yea but they weren't doing nearly 600w

https://www.youtube.com/live/k82RwXqZHY8?si=ERlDriTpql61oXW3&t=2465

Time stamped

Looks at that cooler design

It's a multi PCB design and all

[sonic meadow]

the point was more that they were an unorthodox design, which means that they have been working on coolers themselves. doesnt surprise me that they came up with something else after using it for two gens

well it looks like an improvement of sorts

[mossy gull]

This is 1 thing I don't believe from this keynote.

[mossy gull]

1600.-

And if I look from local prices, the 4090 was on average 400.- more expensive thanks to taxes + mark-up to round up that price.

[cerulean helm]

5090 says $2000 USD for me, where are you seeing $1600?

[surreal moss]

She's responding to the 4090 cost that was already addressed right after the message she responded to

[cerulean helm]

Ah, that makes more sense.

[mossy gull]

Yeah, the 4090😅

The 4090 started in the Netherlands around 2K, so the 5090 is roughly at least 500.- more expensive.

[mossy gull]

This looks obvious why the 50 series is so much faster, 3fps Framegen vs 1fps Framegen

I can play that trick too and Framegen 7fps

[mossy gull]

1 thing I am very surprised with, AMDs official partners are Dell, HP, Lenovo, Asus & Acer.
They have 3 of the biggest hardware manufacturers for businesses.

Which leaves Intel with Gigabyte and MSI, which are much smaller players.

[runic thorn]

Hngh. I'm on a 2080 and it's starting to get a bit slow for some games, but the new cards are going to be so dang expensive, especially since it'll probably have to be paired with a new PSU. 😬

[surreal moss]

If you need to upgrade from the 2080 you likely should be set with your existing PSU if you go with the 5070

E should know for sure come February though

[jade scaffold]

5070 is 225w you'd be fine

And it would be at a minimum 2x faster than the 2080

Something to note a new feature called dlss override has been mentioned mayhaps dlss for any game?

[sonic meadow]

if its what I am thinking of its where nvidia basically force upgrades earlier dlss versions to the newest one

[mossy gull]

I hope so, it would be amazing to have native frame gen for older games like AFMF

[jade scaffold]

Any game that has an older DLSS can be overwritten to use the newer DLSS

but the most important part of that to me is it allows DLSS RayReconstruction in any DLSS enabled title

this MASSIVLY improves visual quality of anything raytraced

[mossy gull]

This is why I usually don't like AI upscaling, because I have a large display I do notice "artifacts" with upscaling pretty fast, if they make it possible for any DLSS title to use it, I might give it a try

[jade scaffold]

DLSS Ray reconstructiion doesnt need upscaling

it just helps raytracing out

[sonic meadow]

its a fancy denoiser iirc

[jade scaffold]

thats part of it

it also just helps with other general artifacting issues RT tends to have

[mossy gull]

Fair enough

[jade scaffold]

Nvidia have also backported their upscaling tech from the 5090 all the way down to the rtx 2000 cards making for faster more performant upscaling that is aparently far more accurate

they have also seemingly killed the latency issues DLSS had

[runic thorn]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-me/geforce/graphics-cards/compare/
That says 5070 is 250 W. Also, I'd probably go for the 5070 Ti or 5080.

IIRC my current PSU is exactly what NVIDIA recommends for the 5070 Ti, but it's got 6 years on it already. It would probably last a bunch more, but the PSU isn't really a component that I want to run until it breaks.

Whatever I upgrade to (if I do) will certainly be just that, a big upgrade. No question about that.

[mossy gull]

That's what they say, but before we have it in our hands I will take that with a grain of salt😅

[surreal moss]

If nothing else you can upgrade in stages. First the 5070 then a year or two later the PSU. Then it isn’t one big spend all at once. PSUs are also less more likely to be manufactured locally so you can probably source one for a better price if other foreign goods wind up getting inflated

[runic thorn]

Then I'd have to pay for an extra delivery. 😛
Hmyeah. I'll think about it. The earliest I get to order anything is three weeks away anyway.

[rancid plank]

DUDES, new GPUs dropped!!

oh wait, y'all already found out before I did

[surreal moss]

Just stumbled across JetKVM and… oh my

[rancid plank]

looks cool, how does it work?

[surreal moss]

It’s a condensed Pi-KVM. It acts like an out of band management card that you would see on an enterprise data server but can be hooked up to any computer

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzufsxtZpA

Very interesting info on how the New DLSS works

and all the improvements it has

also 120fps at maximum settings in 4k with DLSS, and apparently its been artificially limited to 120 in this footage

in short DLSS Upscaling uses a totally new model, and looks massivly better eliminating pretty much all ghosting and artifacts

DLSS Frame generation now has much much more consistent frame times, the latency also isn't bad its better than last gens frame rate and far in excess of AMDs, Then Nvidias New Reflex could also help offset latency even more to be even better

pretty interesting stuff, the difference in normal raster generationally seems to be about 30-40% across the entire stack which is a decent generational uplift, the 2 titels we got direct comparison from NVidia One of which is a game optimised more for AMD GPUs and its still hitting that 30% better mark than last gen which is pretty decent

[jade scaffold]

Looking at cyberpunk 2077 at 4k max settings on the 4090 with no dlss looks actually perform worse than the 5080 does in that video with no dlss so the 5080 is actually faster than the 4090 in cyberpunk which is an impressive gap to close

[balmy flicker]

man the threat of competition works wonders

[jade scaffold]

What threat of competition

Amd literally just aren't trying this gen

They are doing a 70 class card and below most of nvidias money comes from their higher end stuff

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold the 5080 has the angled connector back from what I found, and it's a 2 slot card

[jade scaffold]

yea they all do and all are 2 slot

[mossy gull]

Awesome, I'll go for the 5090 then

I am disappointed in AMD that FSR4 only is supported on the 90 series

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a8dScJg6O0

its still not truly perfect on ghosting but its actually hugly better than fsr and DLSS from before

and its only going to get higher quality with time

[cerulean helm]

Yup, should be on sale on Amazon in a month or so. Definitely will be getting one or two of them.

[mossy gull]

Ryzen Ultra can game
https://youtu.be/XCbAa83KcC8

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyliMCnrANI

Heres that old 4 slot insane 4090 prototype we kept seeing

i thought the 5090 was gonna use this cooler turns out the 5090 cooler is inspired by this cooler all be it literally HALF THE SIZE

[jade scaffold]

LMAO 46C

thats at the limit for what cooling via air can do

its not even trying lmao

[mossy gull]

I am happy they got the angled connector back

[jade scaffold]

Yee

Looks at the vrms tho thoes are really unique

[cinder lagoon]

Thats not the whole pcb, is it?

Like it looks really square and I can't see a PCIe connector

[sonic meadow]

its got a couple of connectors and some pogo pins, does it sit on top of another pcb?

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh yea now that I can open the image I can see the connectors on the back...
the pogo pins must be for some LED or REALLY crude fan...
would not have expected the pcie connections to be passthrough through some other PCB, especially with the complexity of 5.0

[mossy gull]

Now you point it out, I never seen ones like that

[jade scaffold]

The pogos are for lighting in the card the big connector on the back of the card is the attachment point for the pcie gen 5 ribbon cable

[jade scaffold]

It is

The PCB sits in the centre of the card

Not towards the Io plate like normal

[cinder lagoon]

RIBBON cable!? How is that possible with signal integrity in mind xD

[sonic meadow]

short and shielded

[jade scaffold]

Yea

There's long gen5 cables too

Not a really a hard thing to do just kinda spensive

[mossy gull]

😏DisplayPort 2.1

[jade scaffold]

Yeeeeee

Too bad that won't work on my monitor I don't think

[cinder lagoon]

4k 144 without DSC gonna look goood

[jade scaffold]

Ikr

Would be awesome on my g9

[mossy gull]

I can tell you that 3440x1440 10-bit 100Hz without DSC already looks better than with DSC.

[jade scaffold]

Is there no way to make older monitors support a newer display port version

Like do 2.1 is supposedly physically identical

[mossy gull]

I wish, it's usually a firmware and processor issue

I wish all monitors had a DSC toggle.

[jade scaffold]

They all do

And if they don't your GPU drivers do

[mossy gull]

My old monitor didn't, it only disabled DSC if I set the monitor to 10-bit😅

[jade scaffold]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-tested-at-3dmark-offering-faster-performance-than-rtx-4080-super/

they say 4080 super levels but it only just beats the 4080 in the graph they show and looses to it in another one

but still if its dead cheap

thats fucking ballin value

4080 performance for less than 500 us thats great

[jade scaffold]

the RTX 5090

[timber barn]

Sexy

[timber barn]

Water blocks will be sweet for this

Also it looks like you could build it into something different

[jade scaffold]

yea

some of the water blocks are insanely tiny

[mossy gull]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2025/01/11/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-low-price-leak-great-news-for-pc-gamers/

[jade scaffold]

I'm really hoping it's as fast and cheap as people are saying

4080 performance for sub 500 would be super awesome

[mossy gull]

It would be a kick in the groin for Nvidia, especially if these performance figures are without FSR

[jade scaffold]

If the 5070 is about 20-40% faster than last gen tbh it might not be as huge of a kick

[mossy gull]

5070 still isn't as fast as the 4090 like how Nvidia claims

[jade scaffold]

Yea

20-40% isn't anywhere close to the nearly 2.2x faster it would have needed to be to actually be as fast

[jade scaffold]

I really hope I can actually get my 5090

Don't wanna be paying scalpers

[mossy gull]

That's why I am gonna wait and hope I still can get the FE

In half year or longer time 😅

[jade scaffold]

I'm planning on getting the Fe at launch

[mossy gull]

I can't 😃

I need a whole new motherboard and CPU for my tiny ass workstation.

I am going with the 285k for CU-DIMM support

[jade scaffold]

People say the 5090 is a bad value and as a gaming card I agree

But I think it's the cheapest 32gb card and certainly the most powerful 32gb so as a prosumer card I don't think it's actually a terrible value

Sadly there aren't many small workstation boards you can get matx ones tho I think

[mossy gull]

It is the cheapest 32GB, the next cheapest is an older AMD card

[mossy gull]

I am thinking between ITX and M-ATX, depending on how large the card is when you liquid cool it.

The smaller the card, the smaller the motherboard

[jade scaffold]

Depends on what cpu you want to use smallest ws one you are getting is matx

[mossy gull]

There are ITX boards for the 285k, more ITX board than for AMD.
But I want to make it a dual GPU set-up.
And I don't mind to use PCIe Bifurcation

[jade scaffold]

You could get the 5090 on a water block tho extremely small

However you need room for like 600w of cooling

[mossy gull]

Cooling will be external, I have 2 360x360 radiators in my window opening

Or I think it's a 360, could also be 480, haven't looked at it for a while😅

[jade scaffold]

Yea if you just use consumer CPUs you should be fine

Depending on what you are doing going intel might be a decent choice

[jade scaffold]

Depending on what you are doing going intel might be a decent choice

[mossy gull]

Most AMD ITX boards don't support Bifurcation

Or well, not that I can find

[jade scaffold]

Well you don't wanna be using bifurcation on a 5090 anyway

That things gonna be a real data muncher

[mossy gull]

Are we sure?
Even the 4090 barely saturated PCIe 4.0 8x

[jade scaffold]

The 5090 has double the memory bandwidth and more memory to fill

Also still no nvlink

Not really a good GPU to double up because no memory pooling unless it supports CXL and if it did you would be forced into a server mobo and use 2 separate pcie slots for CXL GPU pooling to work

[mossy gull]

Doesn't matter, programs these days can use 2 without NV-link or Crossfire

And I doubt I will have 2 5090, more like 1 5090 and maybe 1 9070XT

[jade scaffold]

You wouldn't be able to use them together then

No program is supporting 2 totally different architectures at once

[jade scaffold]

Yea but it still means no memory pooling

[timber barn]

A 5080TI would be sweet

[jade scaffold]

I doubt that would be on the same core as the 5090 though

The 5090 core is 2x the size of the 5080 one it's like stupid big

If we got a 5080ti I think it'd just end up being a 5080 + 2000 more cores

[mossy gull]

So 2 5090 it is then😅

[jade scaffold]

If that's even possible don't know what proportion of gb203s cores are inactive on the 5080

[mossy gull]

Going from a dual 7900XTX to dual 5090

[timber barn]

I’m looking for a worthy successor for my 1080TI

[jade scaffold]

Apparently all of them if tech power up is to be believed

Frankly any of the new cards will totally destroy the 1080ti

Like even the 5070 will be 2x as fast

[mossy gull]

Which is to be expected after such a long time

[jade scaffold]

AMDs 9070xt if rumors are to believed will be like 2.5x faster

[mossy gull]

IGN has benchmarks from multiple games about I believe the 9070.

https://youtu.be/HPF4jmWza2Y

[jade scaffold]

No they don't

Also all videos like that near enough are faked

All we have is some leaked geekbench and fire strike which are notorious for massively inflating numbers

4080 performance is certainly possible but don't keep your hopes too high for that kinda performance

After all this generation is a filler generation for AMD

[mossy gull]

I am not, I just want to build a tiny ass workstation 😅

So the case I want to build won't be too big

I want to replace my 7970X and 2 7900XTX

[timber barn]

Yes, but the question was more in regard to relative uplift + performance price ratio. The 1080TI is still the G.O.A.T. In this regard

It was a significant jump from the previous generation in regard to performance and price was okish (800). After that the gains normalised again but the price of the next generation doubled. So I was lucky that I got that card at that exact moment