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[sonic meadow]

okay?

[mossy gull]

The problem is, SteamOS is based on Arch, same with its predecessor.
I personally think they should've used Debian.

[sonic meadow]

yes, I know that. I dont get how your response to me is.. a response to what I said.

cant you use the debian build on arch?

Debian can run windows apps
??????

[mossy gull]

You can't always use Debian builds on Arch no, it's more like a 30/70% chance of working of not working.

[sonic meadow]

yasee, theres an appropriate and meaningful response to what I said

[balmy flicker]

Joy thanks for the info

[mossy gull]

Anandtech is gonna stop

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/yzimFlRJbAM

[balmy flicker]

So as a Linux newb the mood launcher I downloaded was a zip that I decompress into it's own folder it contains a binary and 2 compressed .tar.xy folders one labeled control the other data

Do I need to uncompress these folders or do I just run the binary using the terminal?

[surreal moss]

If you inspect the tarballs is there a readme in them? Are there instructions on the site you downloaded them from?

Like, what led to you downloading this thing?

[jade scaffold]

is moores law loosing brain cells as time goes on?

this is the most crack pot conspiracy thing ive ever heard come out of him

A Intel just layed off 15k employees
using the argument oh a bunch of ex intel engineers are working on risk V so they can make high performance cores is comedic insanity

[sacred seal]

I havent followed him since he overhyped the heck out of ryzen 2000 and never apologized

[jade scaffold]

"there were plans to fuse E cores and P cores at intel"

LMAO

no there fucking wasnt

[mossy gull]

I don't know😅
1 channel says this, the other that, hard to know which to follow😐

I just want a good efficient CPU that supports 2 full PCIe 16x slots😅

And have space for at least 4 SSDs

So I thought that story from MLiD was weird so I shared it

[jade scaffold]

"cores that split into cores"
he knows they already do that right single cores arent single processors

they have like 6-12 in them

[sacred seal]

Everyone makes mistakes. It's how they respond to it that determines if I find them reputable or not.

Someone like Jayz2cents likes to talk out of his ass, but he has been very good at correcting himself. Mlid does not have a history of that, which leads me to believe he is just interested in breaking a story, regardless of whether it's true or not.

I guess it depends on how you define cores. Bulldozer was arguably cores split into cores, though I am not sure that is a desirable comparison

[mossy gull]

CPU stories are wack lately, I'll wait for the full release and see if I may use it or not, all I hope for is CAMM2 coming to the consumer market.

[sacred seal]

Doubt it will. Fitting it on itx would be a nightmare, and the one stick limit is not desirable for desktop

[cinder lagoon]

Cannot figure out what program you're talking about but GENERALLY SPEAKING:

• Using Linux you need to find out what kind of packages your distribution accepts (.Deb for example) and preferably use these.
• if your Software does not ship as such a package you will probably download the zip
• there-within should be a file without an extension or .AppImage extension.
  AppImage is great because it's like a docker image, it contains everything the app needs to run but is therefore bigger.
  This file needs permissions to run (chmod +x <file path> but should already have them set normally.
  Usually this file is also recognized by your file explorer as an executable and therefore has an image or displayed as something like some gears etc.
  Those you need to run then

[jade scaffold]

CAMM2 would be cool for the higher speeds

[mossy gull]

CAMM2 benefits cooling though.
And CAMM2 for laptops do fit on ITX boards, and from what I know are already pretty fast.

[sacred seal]

For a new standard to take hold it has to be a upgrade, and have limited interferece with existing stuff

There is a reason 12v only and back connectors are not taking off

Camm2 is a side grade. Better preformance, but more board space and less flexibility

Like seriously, what was the last update to the typical mobo? Probably m.2, and before that pcie

[mossy gull]

I just hope they'll be a thing, currently on very small builds you're tight to low profile slower RAM, with CAMM2, even if you have to slightly extent the board, you have more flexibility.

And this may sound weird, and it's just an idea, you always can move the SSD where the RAM is and the CAMM2 where currently the M.2 is on an ITX board.

[cinder lagoon]

Newest addition is zero-cable solutions I.E. power passthroughs or connectors on the back

[mossy gull]

I can't wait for that to properly take-off

[sacred seal]

No you can't, there are electrical reasons for the typica board layout

You would need to modify the cpu

[mossy gull]

The board layout we have now is what, 20+ years old, it's time we change and/or improve on that.

[cinder lagoon]

Actually no - the layout today is the way it is because the CPUs are designed in a way that minimizes trace distances and pcie is at the bottom of the socket while ram is on the right.
You currently don't have CPUs with the necessary socket layouts and you should not put ram and pcie on the same socket side, crossing over eachother

[cinder lagoon]

Wishful thinking but it grew like that for a reason lol

[mossy gull]

It was just an idea😅

[cinder lagoon]

(Beat me to it haha)

[cinder lagoon]

A nice one, if we would start from scratch but profits and backwards compatibility requirements (aka. The Market) don't allow that :/

[mossy gull]

Remember BTX?
That had the CPU I believe 45° tilted and in the front, and it worked😅

Damn, I miss the wacky BTX.

[sacred seal]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. You would have to have a real good reason to change. Like 5x uplift

[mossy gull]

Sometimes change has to be forced😉

[cinder lagoon]

Never heard but a 45° angle might help (although not with cooler mounting as the rest would be perpendicular and you'd need to make the perpendicular coolers line up with the diagonal sockets

[sacred seal]

As I said, there needs to be a good reason to change. You shove all the new stuff into a new form factor, what kind of benifit would you expect?

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: current GPUs actually hang upside-down, with BTX the GPU coolers were on top.

[cinder lagoon]

New form factor would be a worthwhile change

[cinder lagoon]

Thx for putting that, connection is shit and can't Google lol

[mossy gull]

BTX had the CPU close to the front so it'll always get fresh air from the outside 🙃

[sacred seal]

Yes, but you will notice that the ram and pcie are still on opposite sides

[cinder lagoon]

Research has shown that order of components in the heat-transfer usually does not affect temps enough to change

[mossy gull]

I mean, it was a brilliant idea😅

CPU front, GPU behind it

[sacred seal]

Even on laptops that is the case

[cinder lagoon]

Hell even stuffing the case full of cables does not change the temps lol

[mossy gull]

Framework likes a word with you.
They changed the entire motherboard layouts.

[cinder lagoon]

Haven't had a good look at their movies tbh

But given the new "there's one more standard" GPU module standard I would probably guess they did

[mossy gull]

https://www.electronicshub.org/atx-and-btx/

BTX apparently had lower latency and better airflow

[sacred seal]

Does framework offer a board with dgpu

[cinder lagoon]

They offer a board with changeable gpu

[mossy gull]

Nope, an add-in GPU

[sacred seal]

There boards look standard to me

[cinder lagoon]

IMG pls .-.

[mossy gull]

And Dell had the Area-51m, which had a whole gap in the motherboard where the GPU usually sits.

[cinder lagoon]

Thx

[mossy gull]

Usually on laptops the RAM is below the CPU, on the FW16 it's on the side of the CPU

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm fairly non-Standard... Dimms to the right, pcie to the top and left...

Also still wondering how that GPU connector works - only seen that it's basically probe points on the PCB?

[mossy gull]

Even on insane motherboards like on the MSI Titan 18HX the RAM is below the CPU(massive grey rectangle)

[cinder lagoon]

Wait actually there's pcie and power delivery left AND RIGHT because of the USB-C 4 ports, right?

[mossy gull]

Yes

[cinder lagoon]

More heat pipes than subway lines in a city lol

[sacred seal]

Yeah, that's not unique, I have seen similar before. The issue is with stacking traces. Pcie and memory cannot be in the same side of the cpu

[mossy gull]

Tell me about it, I was like WOW when I opened mine😅

[mossy gull]

They currently can't on ATX, doesn't mean if we tilt the CPU 45° that we still can't 😅

Some motherboards do have an NVMe "riser" beside the RAM, Asus done this before, it looks like a RAM slot, but it's a slot for an add-in card for 2 NVMe SSDs

[sacred seal]

Yes, dimm.2

Limited to 4x lanes if I am rembering

[mossy gull]

So, you can trace PCIe under RAM channels, especially if you have something like CAMM2, where you have less traces which are also shorter😅

[sacred seal]

No, you can run them around the ram, and then you are limited to how many

I forget, were those running off the chips set?

I don't think so

[mossy gull]

I mean, we're in 2024, not 1995😅
We can adapt new styles way more easy than few years ago, just like we have a "fan" that's more flat than the camera bump on my phone 😅

[balmy flicker]

Checked there first info for windows but not Debian

No read me files either
There is an.xml info file though

[mossy gull]

Wait, are we in 2024?
I keep getting confused if it's 23 or 24🤣

[sacred seal]

Actually it was easier to swap standards back then. Things were simpler back then, and there was less technical debt

[cinder lagoon]

@balmy flicker

If you tell me your distro and the program I can find the correct thing and probably instructions

[mossy gull]

But traces and such were way bigger than they're now

[sacred seal]

You have seen a board where ram was just individal ics?

You needed way less

[mossy gull]

Nope, but I seen wacky laptop boards where component placement makes no sense, not looking at you Framework and MSI.

[balmy flicker]

At launcher (for modded mine craft) and steam deck so arch

[sacred seal]

Old boards were wild

This isn't even that old

[balmy flicker]

Thanks

[cinder lagoon]

Ouuuhhh the AT launcher might not have one, if you have like half an hour or so I'm at home and can check

Even curse forge Linux support is crap

[sacred seal]

This is what ram used to look like

[balmy flicker]

Figures I need to head back to work I will have to fiddle with this when I am off

Thanks for the help

[jade scaffold]

Honestly i think CAMM2 is a pretty good standard for desktop its just not viable for Workstation or server CPUs

but for Work station and server it matters less as they are after stability and can exceed well over double the bandwidth CAMM2 could ever do

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold have you heard of Lenovo actually wanting to put Oculink on their laptops?

[sacred seal]

For atx it would work, but itx would be tough. And the cost of splitting the market would be too high

[mossy gull]

DTX🙃
I love that form factor.
It's ITX with an extra M.2 slot below the GPU.

[sacred seal]

Not going to help with Camm2

You would need like an eitx

[mossy gull]

What about we take ITX, tilt the CPU 45°, and have both the PCIe and CAMM2 under the CPU, and a place for the SSD beside the CPU, you would even have place for 2 Dimm2 slots, mmmmm extra SSDs.

[sacred seal]

But now most cases are incompatable with your board. Not something you want as a mobo vendor

Well now all the coolers are incompatable

And that's assuming it works electrically

[jade scaffold]

Nah itx would be fine

[mossy gull]

Why would you need another cooler?
BTX also had so far I know normal Intel coolers, only the CPU was 45° tilted.

[jade scaffold]

Itx supports rear mounted ram

[mossy gull]

I forgot about that, CAMM2 on the back😅

I have seen ITX with flat laying SO-DIMM slots, which I think would take as much space as CAMM2

I think AsRock did that if I am correct?

[sacred seal]

Btx was oem only as far as I know. You can fit a stock cooler on them, but even though they are a fairly large board you would not be able to fit a larger square cooler on them

All the flat sodimm boards I am seeing lack pcie

[mossy gull]

Still, the cooler was on straight while the CPU wasn't.

Fun fact: Mini-BTX also was a thing 😅

[mossy gull]

They aren't common, I seen them more in larger barebone systems like years ago, been trying to find it.

Wait wait wait, do I see that correctly?
RAM on 2 sides of the CPU on an ITX board.
https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/X299E-ITXac/index.asp

[sacred seal]

It's possible, depending on the cold plate. But modern coolers are designed to cover modern cpus. The issue is not with the mounting, it's with making sure the cold plate is actually covering the cpu

[mossy gull]

Shadow, look at that board, it has 2 SO-DIMM slots between the CPU and PCIe 😅

[sacred seal]

Yep, that is the first time I have seen that

[mossy gull]

So my idea is possible 😅

LGA 2066, that was a while ago

[sacred seal]

Possibly, but remember sodimm have lower bandwidth limitations. The whole point of Camm2 is bandwidth

Modern pcie and ram would have higher trace requirements

[mossy gull]

The point of CAMM2 is it's size and how much space it takes, speed is just an added advantage of having all RAM lanes so close together.

I believe you also need less space for CAMM2 in terms of lanes than RAM

[sacred seal]

Desktop doesn't care about size. The only reason for Camm2 is preformance, which is dictated by bandwidth

[jade scaffold]

No my board can have 4 top mounted and 2 rear mounted and has a pcie slot

Performance is also dictated by latency

Camm2 is lower latency

[sacred seal]

Latency is bandwidth in this case

[jade scaffold]

And better signal integrity

Which lets you have higher MHz

[jade scaffold]

So you get lower latency and higher frequency which gives you vastly higher bandwidth

[mossy gull]

Isn't DIMM also more complex to run compared to CAMM2?

Like you need longer traces for DIMM?

[sacred seal]

Well Camm2 is single module

Don't need all the crazy tech that goes into making 4 sticks of ram work together

You need to have the same trace length for all 4 dimms

[mossy gull]

I think this is CAMM2 on an ATX board, look how close it is to the CPU, DIMM needs extra space or else it blocks the cooler.

[sacred seal]

That looks about the same

[mossy gull]

You still don't have to use CAMM2 for desktops, you can save space and use the 1 for laptops on ITX boards.

Then it can fit even more snug

We already seen 2 SO-DIMM on between the CPU and PCIe slot, I believe that would take more space than CAMM2, so it ain't impossible.

[sacred seal]

What board do you have?

2 ddr3 sodimm

That matters

[mossy gull]

And CAMM2 isn't much wider than SO-DIMM

[sacred seal]

The space we are concerned about is the traces

[mossy gull]

Which should take around the same space.

[sacred seal]

No? Sodimm have lower bandwidth due to lower trace count

And modern ram and pcie have even higher requirements in that regard

And are more sensitive to interference

[jade scaffold]

no 2 DDR4

ASROCK rack server board

[mossy gull]

But having 2 DIMMs means you need more space as the lanes would pass over each other, something you don't need with CAMM2

[sacred seal]

2 sodimm equal about 1 dimm

? This board

[mossy gull]

Still, look at how much space DIMMs take compared to CAMM2.

I still think CAMM2 is a good thing, even on ITX, where you often are soace constrained, especially with how tall current DIMMs are.

[sacred seal]

You are contending with multiple things. You will notice that both boards in question lack m.2 (at least as far as I can tell

Nvm, the x299 does have them on the back

[mossy gull]

😅

ITX are wacky boards

[sacred seal]

So possible? Maybe, but it really depends on how much physical space traces for pcie 5 and Camm2 take. (also number of pcb layers, you might be able to physically build it, but if your entry level itx costs 500 your kinda doa)

I hate typing on my phone

[mossy gull]

I seen people buy MSI Godlike motherboards, so there's always a market😅

[cinder lagoon]

https://atlauncher.com/downloads
Given that steamOS is arch-based you should download either the AUR package (Arch User Repository) or the flathub, as flathub is an app-store-system where all dependencies are also bundled in and it practically works on every platform.

[sacred seal]

Halo products don't make up bulk of sales. That's why I specified entirely level

[mossy gull]

That looks wacky as hell, I love it

[sacred seal]

Am I blind or is that missing m. 2?

[mossy gull]

Anyway I am gonna nap, so nightnight

And remember, ITX boards are wacky

[sacred seal]

Looks like it had 2 m.2 slots on the bottom , but they were removed because they conflict with the ram

[jade scaffold]

yes

but a normal desktop CPU is a quartar the size of that one

theres easilly room for a single CAM module on top

its not even a debate

[sacred seal]

Well yes and no, cpu might be smaller but space occupied by the cooler mount is about the same. That said you move power delivery to the top and it would probably fit

The question isn't can we make it fit, it's can we make it fit in a way that we can retire the dimm form factor entirely (for desktop)

[jade scaffold]

Yea easily

It's not a question really cooler mounts for AM5 intel 1700ect are vastly smaller than that of socket dimensions for lga 3647

[jade scaffold]

For desktop cpus CAMM is a great form factor

For workstations not so much

Like how am I fitting 2-6 CAMM modules on a board reasonably without loosing all those fancy advantages

[sacred seal]

For desktop its less an issue of capacity as it is one of upgradability. Yes, Camm preforms better, but is that better preformance worth giving up the upgrade options that 4 sticks of ram give you? Since most ITX boards only have 2 dimms, you can probably get away with replacing them with a single Camm. But for ATX, you are going to need to be able to fit at least 2, and have the modules be able to mix and match sizes if you want full customer support

An 8 gb ram stick still has value. An 8gb camm module on the other hand would be useless

And a 16 gb module would only be useful to someone who has an 8

[jade scaffold]

theres never been a good reason to have 4 sticks of ram on dual channel boards

It massivly kicks performance in the balls
theres AM5 boards that have dual chipsets and 4 Ram slots and they just cant achive decent speeds

[sacred seal]

For most people the capacity is far more useful than the speed

[jade scaffold]

with how cheap DRAM currently is i see no real issue with supplying 48gb CAMM2 Modules which will last you throughout the entierty of this generation

[sacred seal]

I have not looked into it with am5, but it was fairly modest with am4

[jade scaffold]

easy upgradeability is nice yes

but the current DRAM method is basically responsible for the massive ineeficiency in APU GPUs

Ryzen CPUs just love RAM speed generally

mainly because AMDs mem controler in normal Ryzen Desktop chips is turbo ass

[sacred seal]

Yes, apus are hit a lot harder, but at the same time most users who care about preformance are not running apus

[jade scaffold]

i mean alot of people wanting ITX systems run APUs

or even alot of budget gamers use them

CAMM2 might also allow a further drop in DRAM Prices if they can be standardased as both a laptop and desktop standard

[sacred seal]

They love a mix of latency and speed, and they tend to have a sweet spot which is below the fastest ram of the generation

High speed high Cas sticks tend to preform comparably to lower speed lower cas

[jade scaffold]

you need both

[sacred seal]

With Ddr4 3600/22 was very similar to 3200/16

[jade scaffold]

you can calculate overall latency with the cas speed and transfers per second

CAM gives you the ability to have low cas latency and high Speeds

like actually high speeds

currently DDR5 8000+ is only possible by BURNING YOUR CPU

and anything over 9000 i think needs some kind of active cooling

CAM would in theory allows you on DDR5 to hit speeds of 10,000mhz

thats alota mhz

also about VRM placement
i dont think its an issue modern VRMS are vastly too overbuilt as is

you can knock an entire side of VRMS off and still be able to comfortable pass several hundred Watts over a platforms rated power kinda insane

I do agree that going CAM will change mobo design a fair bit maybe add an inconvinience or 2 but i think for the most part it would be for the better especially as next gen DRAM comes along and thats wanting to be even faster i think DDR5 makes it very clear that the current DIMM design isnt really upto the task of handeling DRAMs speed anymore

[balmy flicker]

Thank you that is my bad
And thank you for informing me on flat packs

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold from what I hear a lot online, AM5 actually has a huge trouble with 4 DIMMs, I personally never had this problem building systems.

But a single CAMM2 going to 128GB would solve that issue entirely 😅

[jade scaffold]

Yea it does

At high speeds anyway

Even more so on xX70E type boards

[mossy gull]

Yeah, I never overclock other than using XMP and it always ran fine😅

But in this case CAMM2 would only be beneficial.

[jade scaffold]

It does kinda kill your ability to upgrade as cheaply is the 1 issue with it

And you can only have 1 on a board reasonably speaking

But I think the speed advantages and for the itc ballers out there the extra cooler clearance is worth it also lower power consumption

[mossy gull]

For me it's the cooler clearances.
More often than not, especially with ITX builds, youre limited to smaller coolers because 80% of the RAM is just too tall, with CAMM2 you can get a much larger cooler and it even cool the CAMM2 as well as it cools the CPU and VRMs.

To me, CAMM2, even harder to upgrade, it is a good upgrade.

[cerulean helm]

Sometimes I love TrueNas Scale, other times I hate it. Going to update to the beta version to see if it fixes the problem I've been having with apps.

Not fond of using a beta as its not listed as stable, but it should be close as the projected release of the stable version is October.

Well, its allowed me to reinstall my apps, where as the previous verson of Dragonfish did not.

[cerulean helm]

Spoke to soon. Pihole isn't showing my ethernet interface/isn't connecting to it for whatever reason. Keep getting an error that the interface doesn't exist.
Its the same interface the server itself is on, so its working and active.

[cerulean helm]

Fantastic. In trying to figure out what broke in my Pihole setup via my TrueNas, I somehow after a reboot into a previous version of TrueNas (that was working just fine) has broken the permissions of the entire server drive. I cannot share any file to the mapped drive (I unmapped and remapped as well). Says permission is denied.

I have 2 pools each with a Share. Both have the exact same permissions. Yet in my main share named after the server I have no permission to make a new folder or transfer a file. Any ideas?

[cerulean helm]

So, I can add/share/create in the VM data set. I cannot in the Abyss Server dataset. Any folder I put in there when I did have permission inside those folders I can add/create/share.

[surreal moss]

Are you only trying to manage those via the gui?

[cerulean helm]

I'm trying to figure out what I broke that killed my ability to share anything to the Abyss Server datapool

[surreal moss]

I’d be looking at what perms are in place. There might also be something in /var/log that you can chase down

[cerulean helm]

Everything I can see on the TrueNas side says permissions are the same. But clearly something isn't.
If I go indo windows and check properties of the 2 drives. VM shows 2 users called creator owner and creator group. The abyss-server does not show those permissions in properties.

[surreal moss]

You might want to go into the cli in Scale and see what that says

[cerulean helm]

Eh cli?, how would I do that?

[surreal moss]

Either ssh into it or I think there’s a console tab in the systems section of setting

Have you done much Linux?

[cerulean helm]

Very little. I see the cli is on the startup screen for the os. Do I just select it and then look at what it says?

[surreal moss]

Not exactly. I’m talking about doing some typing to check what permissions are on the mounted directories and marine matching uids from there with the users in the GUI

[cerulean helm]

Okay, well I am in the cli command, what do I type?

[surreal moss]

ls -larth will show permissions and ownership

root root in that example means root owns it along with the root group

if you type id $user it will give you the uid for the user and and group id (gid) of associated groups

Your going to need to check the path for your mounts to see if they match up with the acls in the gui

[cerulean helm]

Typed in ls -larth was I supposed to hit enter? Cause that pulled up a menue I think, and I can't get out of it.

[surreal moss]

Ctrl+c is your friend

[cerulean helm]

Not doing anything, just stuck with (END)

[surreal moss]

Okay, I'm going to need a screenshot or screenshare to understand what you're looking at

[cerulean helm]

I have a list that says
account
app
auth
cluster
directory-service
network
reporting
service
sharing
storage
system
task
then a bunch of tilde key strokes
and lastly (END)

[surreal moss]

oh

I think you're in TrueNas' CLI

[cerulean helm]

Was I not supposed to be? Thats the first thing that came up when I searched cli for truenas.

[surreal moss]

No, that's my bad. I forgot it's the default for a fresh install. I disabled that on both of my systems at work because it felt redundant to the GUI

If you click into the console window and hit ESC does it do anything?

[cerulean helm]

It responded, got a summary is less commands that popped up. And says press return for more or q when done

[surreal moss]

q should be good

[cerulean helm]

And back to the previous list, lol. Sigh, its just not my day.

Okay back to being asble to enter commands.

[surreal moss]

What are your options?

[cerulean helm]

No options, I'm just getting a location [The_Abyss]>

Then whatever I type

[surreal moss]

interesting

[surreal moss]

Maybe let's try shifting back to the GUI

Are the ACLs the same for both datasets?

and should they be?

[cerulean helm]

Unable to check permissions of the root datasets.

[surreal moss]

The datasets were existing and you imported them, correct?

[cerulean helm]

No, never changed anything related to datasets. Only was updating TrueNas Scale, then downgrading after a bunch of problems. Ive done that several times before and never had an issue before.

Was trying to figure out why an app wouldn't work anymore (still haven't sorted that out, but thats not important atm). Not sure what else I did, to screw up the permissions.

[surreal moss]

What did you unmap and remap? The SMB or the Pool?

[cerulean helm]

Neither. I was unmapping and remappingthe drive from windows.

[surreal moss]

oh

okay

Could you try mapping a new dummy SMB to test if that works from Windows?

[cerulean helm]

So create a new SMB in TrueNas them map it to windows?

[surreal moss]

Yep. Just make one of them again

Give it a different name of course

[cerulean helm]

Well, shit. Can't create a new pool as I don't have any drives left unused.

[surreal moss]

huh?

I meant a new SMB share

[cerulean helm]

Thats going to force me to add to an already existing pool and dataset though no?
Also

[surreal moss]

An SMB share should just be exposing contents of the dataset it's mapped to

That... is interesting

[cerulean helm]

It will let me add a test smb to the VM share, but not the Abyss-Storage.

I feel like this is coming full circle as I had apps running on the root share cause it worked (and then broke, which was what I was trying to originally fix).

[surreal moss]

The-Abyss-Server isn't a child of /tank/?

[cerulean helm]

No its a root dataset

[surreal moss]

oooooohhhhhhhh

[cerulean helm]

I think, this is apparently a problem then?

[surreal moss]

When iXSystems was walking me through setting up the system at work they made a point to state that /mnt/tank/ was the preferred practice for mounting datasets

so

/mnt/tank/$dataset/

was their recommendation

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, the guide I followed was originally for Core, so I migrated over to Scale back in Feb.

So, what or how do I fix how the dataset is mounted without losing any data?

[surreal moss]

If it were me with my system I would unmount it and then remount it with the new path

which... I haven't ever done that in BSD

and is definitely console stuff

[cerulean helm]

Well, I definately don't have time for that, hell I should have been asleep hours ago. Gotta get up in less than 4 hours.

I'll be on a staycation in a week, so good time to tackle that then.

But, correct me if I am wrong. I can unmount and remount without losing any data?

[surreal moss]

Yes, so long as you don't reformat the LUNs or anything

Should be straightforward and it may not immediately correct the perms issue I think you're having

but it should get you on a path to having things working as expected

[cerulean helm]

Blah, I got the app working. Pihole is up and running but ads are not being blocked on wifi...

Scratch that, add blocking doesn't work on my phone, but is working on the laptop.

[cinder lagoon]

On the phone you shoud set a custom "private DNS" server and/or in the wifi settings tell it to use pihole as a DNS (it might have the old dns server saved)

[cerulean helm]

Aha, that was it. Wifi settings on the phone had an old DNS stored. Entered the Pihole DNS and its working.

[cerulean helm]

Okay, ready to tackle my TrueNas Scale pool setup. I need to umount and remount? Or import data when creating a new pool? That will not result in data loss correct?

[balmy flicker]

so i tried the flatpack launcher but for some reason steam cant launch it. i tested it on my pc where it steam did launch it. so now i have the arch download but dont know what to do past that there are 2 executables that look like they should build the launcher from the git package but they will not run

[surreal moss]

Remount and then import as a new data pool

[cinder lagoon]

Yes, flatpak is an installer (which requires the flatpak framework to be installed beforehand), not the program itself
You could download the flathub appstore and it will have everything else as a dependency also installed.

You need to download the AUR Bin package, then double click or right click and open with "installer" or similar

[balmy flicker]

I got a working version from the flat pack but it is not compatible with steam (this is an issue as the desktop mode controls are suboptimal for gaming)

I so I down loaded the aur-bin hopeing that it would be an install more akin to what I use on my PC that is comptible with steam

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold I just noticed, my AyaNeo Flip DS has something "illegal", it came with an Intel AX210 Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, in an AMD system😅

[jade scaffold]

intel do tbf have the best wifi chips

[cerulean helm]

Well, before I unmount my NAS pool, as it has my Pihole running on it, I bought a separate raspberry pi to run Pihole, to keep my network up and running while redoing the nas. Plus, if I ever have to shut down the server I won't loose my network.

[surreal moss]

Not a bad idea

[cerulean helm]

Just trying to figure out what ethernet interface is required since it lists 3 different ones, lol.

Found it, 3rd try, lol.

[jade scaffold]

5090 Power draw confirmed by Seasonic somewhat accidentally

at 500w

[sacred seal]

Oof

[mossy gull]

They do, but AMD system 95% of the time have to do with the bad Mediatek WiFi 😅

[mossy gull]

Nice and toasty😅

[sonic meadow]

intel has been trying to compete with nvidia for spiciest chip, but nvidia really only wants to compete with themselves

[mossy gull]

I wonder how long it'll last, Nvidia's monopoly though

[jade scaffold]

The difference is though Nvidia still lead efficiency over amd

[sonic meadow]

I wasnt even meaning compared to their competition, just in terms of highest number

[mossy gull]

I think Gruzzob was comparing power consumption

[sonic meadow]

I was

[jade scaffold]

ah then its been nvidia for a hot minute h100 could reach 700w iirc

the dual die blackwell chip will do 1000w

[sonic meadow]

in the consumer space though.

intel and amd have both had hedt/workstation cpus that can push near 1000w

I think one of the TR chips could be pushed near 700w or something

[mossy gull]

Only in turbo boost and overclocked, or else it can stay around 450w in boost only.
Although mine(7970X) doesn't pass 350w.

[jade scaffold]

not by default

[hasty rose]

https://youtu.be/lDl0qXTbfhU?si=swYFBSL4kpwZFz48

[jade scaffold]

the power cables xD

[cerulean helm]

Holy hell, troubleshooting random iot devices not able to remote access with the new pihole was a chore. Apparently some of them use IPV6 for their connection and they all had to be individually configured.

And now that I am home I confirmed my pihole is blocking my vpn that I use on my phone while at work.

[silk jasper]

Would a R5 5600X be a good pairing for a 3060 or RX6600 or is there a lot of imbalance risk in that pairing?

[mossy gull]

3060 is a good GPU, and pairs nicely with the 5600X

[sacred seal]

That's a pretty common pairing. You might also look at the 5600g or 5700x/g, both chips tend to be pretty close in price

[silk jasper]

Is the G any better to the X? Sorry I’m a first time builder so I’m kinda swinging into it all

[sacred seal]

G is slightly worse, but is often cheaper. It also has a igpu which is nice for debugging

[silk jasper]

I see I’ve seen the X running about 125 bucks so far not looked into the G

[sacred seal]

If you post a parts list someone here will be happy to go through it for you

[silk jasper]

I’ll do that.

Though I do have one question related to CPU coolers

I’m a tad confused on the major differences among them

I placed a Thermalight Peerless Assassin on my list but I’m not sure if that’s overkill too little or if there’s better alternatives

[sacred seal]

Cpu coolers are not something that you can really go overboard with. With pwm it just means it will be quiter.

[sonic meadow]

Overkill is when it has little to no benefit over a less capable cooler

The peerless assassin rates very highly though, can't really go wrong with it

[sacred seal]

Strictly speaking it's overkill for that class of part, but at that price you are not really missing out

Depends on how tight your budget is

[sonic meadow]

The Ryzen 5000 chips run a bit hot for their power usage, so a better cooler is... better 😆 (up to a limit of course)
Biggest issue with bigger coolers is actually installing them a lot of the time, can be a bit fiddly because of their prodigious bulk

[sacred seal]

Something like a 212 would be cheaper and preform adaquitely, but are getting more for your money with something like the peerless assain

A d15 or darkrock 4 would be overkill though

[sonic meadow]

Oh no, the hyper212 is a really old design now. You can get better for cheaper or about the same price (don't ask me what though)

[sacred seal]

Yeah, I don't know what the modern equivalent is ither. I remember when it was all the rage though

[sonic meadow]

It's like the d15, it's not bad.. but it's dated and other stuff has moved past it

[sacred seal]

It's been around for what? 10 years at least now?

[sonic meadow]

07 for the 212 I think

[sacred seal]

Ah, yeah that is anchent.

[sonic meadow]

People were sticking them on p4, c2d, and athlons

And it's reputation was very well deserved

[silk jasper]

So basically a peerless is something that can stick around awhile

[sonic meadow]

A good CPU cooler can see you through multiple systems

[sacred seal]

Yeah. You got enough headroom to cool any modern consumer chip, though you might be pushing it with an x950 x3d class

[silk jasper]

Pushing my wallet too lmao

That’s like a 550 buck chip

Also in your guys opinions would you say the RX6600 or the 3060 are better

Ik they are similar cards

[sonic meadow]

Honestly though, for CPU coolers (like cases), my suggestion is to find something you like the look of and then check to make sure it isn't shit. For coolers this of course is only really important of you have a transparent side panel and will be seeing it

[silk jasper]

Right I chose the peerless based on price admittedly

It also had solid reviews

[sacred seal]

I will disagree there. Aios look cool but I would not touch one with a 10 foot pole

[sonic meadow]

The 3060 will be better if you are doing any RT (ray tracing) stuff, but iirc the 6600 out performs it otherwise.

[sacred seal]

I got one for free and I am still running my stock cooler

[sonic meadow]

Maybe I should have said "something you can live with", which encompasses looks, price, etc

[silk jasper]

Now another thing I have to inquire about is I notice the 3060 and 4060 are in a similar price range. Why? Are they a copy paste or is there some benefit to the latter card?

[sacred seal]

Prices are often a mess

[sonic meadow]

The 4060 uses less power, but performs about the same. It was a lazy product

[silk jasper]

Ahh not worried about power tbh

[sonic meadow]

It's generally not a recommended product

[sacred seal]

4060 is the more modern card, but it's preformance compared to last Gen is middling

[silk jasper]

I can safely say if there’s one thing I ensured I won’t need to worry about it’s power plant lol

So basically avoid it got it

[sacred seal]

Well depends on the price difference

[sonic meadow]

less power means less heat, and also means you dont need as big (ie expensive) a powersupply

[silk jasper]

From what I can tell 3060 still seems to be ever so lightly cheaper depending on the card

[sacred seal]

There is no bad products, just poorly priced ones (with some exceptions)

[sonic meadow]

that makes them a bad product, but not a bad device

[silk jasper]

Fair enough

I chose a 650w power supply on the basis that would get me through a few sets of upgrades over the course of building. So o can’t particularly see a downside to the 4060 but neither for the 3060. But for the right price seems the 4060 may be the way to go for the thermal aspect

[sacred seal]

650 watt is on the lower end for modern hardware

Personally I would target 850, 650 will work but you have a lot more options with something bigger

[silk jasper]

Noted

I’ll run it up then

[sacred seal]

Also most of the reputable psus start at 850 watts

Modern ones at least

[silk jasper]

I originally had a Corsair 650w

But I moved to a Corsair 850w

[mossy gull]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reportedly-targets-600w-rtx-5080-aims-for-400w-with-10-performance-increase-over-rtx-4090

[sacred seal]

What model of corsair?

Most brands have several different product lines

[silk jasper]

RM850e

[mossy gull]

I thought the 850w was only for the RM fully modular series

[sonic meadow]

the RM line is solid, cant really go wrong with it

[silk jasper]

Gotcha

I decided on the 4060 12gb in terms of video card

[mossy gull]

Just make sure you connect it to the upper PCIe 4 slot, and not at the bottom

[silk jasper]

I imagine it’s not good for the system if I do that

[sacred seal]

Eh, 4060 probably won't care that much

[mossy gull]

Nah, it's because lower motherboard slots are usually slower, like at max PCIe 8x or 4x, but I seen 1x for the bottom slot as well

[silk jasper]

Okay so ik I set on the 5600X but there’s a 40 buck difference between the 7 5800X. I only ask because all I really know to base on is price Ik that’s dumb but ig we all start somewhere.

Oh gotcha gotcha

[sacred seal]

8x is more common, and 4060 could probably be fine on a 4x

But yeah, may as well use the best slot

If pure gaming is all you do, the 5800x is not going to change much

But if you want to do other tasks, the extra two cores won't hurt

[silk jasper]

Would it benefit someone like me more to have those extra cores when I run other tabs while gaming?

[mossy gull]

It's fine as long it's PCIe 4 4x or 8x😅
Because the 4060 seried are only PCIe 8x

[mossy gull]

It will feel more snappy yes, especially if you play DX12 or Vulkan titles

[sacred seal]

What refresh/res are you targeting?

[silk jasper]

Ideally 144hz but I know that is indeed a possible ask here

[sacred seal]

And res?

[silk jasper]

1080 minimum 1440 if able

Sorry was at a job interview xD

[mossy gull]

I hope it went well

You should be able to do 1440p 144Hz.

[silk jasper]

I change sit up a lot ngl but I am worried about cases atm

Changed*

I am also worried I created imbalance in the force (Video Card and CPU)

[mossy gull]

I seen worse, I seen Celerons being paired with a 3090😅

[silk jasper]

Pffft

I have a 7800X3D mated to a 4070 Super

I worry if the peerless can keep it cold

Biggest issue now as I said is trying to find a case that will support it well. I don’t know much about the dimensions of these things tbh

[mossy gull]

4060 isn't that big, so don't really worry that much about case size.

[silk jasper]

4070*

Do you recommend any specific case models?

[mossy gull]

What's your budget for your case?

[silk jasper]

Couple hundred at most

[mossy gull]

Couple hundred, you know that isn't smart to say😅
But I won't go overboard, look at the Fractal Design North Midi tower

[silk jasper]

Oki and yeah buuuuuut it’s fine

[mossy gull]

Okay, Hyte Y60

Cooler Master HAF 700 Evo

Fractal Design Torrent

NZXT H9 Flow

@silk jasper what about the Montech King 95 Pro

Thermaltake The Tower 900

[silk jasper]

I think I like the H9 Flow more

Out of them all but I also like the North Midi

I guess the only other thing is how many additional fans should I buy

[mossy gull]

As much as you want, but don't buy more than the case supports.
Unless you want to push-pull on a radiator ofcoarse.

I recently replaced all the fans in the Hyte Y70 for Corsair Link fans, it's a costly endeavour on a costly case😅

[silk jasper]

I’ve always been info the Li Lian’s

[mossy gull]

I forgot they existed 😅

[cerulean helm]

Oi, still running into network issues. Anyone familiar with pihole on a raspberry pi? My 32GB sd card is full after a day or 2 using pihole.

[cinder lagoon]

Well what's on it? Did you configure some kind of network caching?

Usually pihole only needs the OS, the application binaries and space for the block lists (just a couple megs)

[cerulean helm]

So the pihole/var/log file is 22gb somehow

The only thing running on the pi is pihole.

Okay, was able to finally clear the logs, had to install SQLite3 to get the proper commands in the terminal.

Not just to figure out why the logs were so full. Perhaps because I restored a backup from when I was running pihole in Truenas Scale?

[cerulean helm]

Oh fffff. knocked over my old Synology diskstation and now one of the disks is saying its degraded.

[cerulean helm]

Removing it and reinstalling it didn't help, but great news. The other drive after I turned it back on failed. CRashed, and went read only. So, I may have just lost my entire diskstation.... Fuck

[surreal moss]

Noooo!!!!!

[cerulean helm]

Welp... Im having an adventure. Diskstation held Windows backups from before I built the server this year. Plus some ofther files. I think, I have everything on the Truenas server but I can't be sure.

[surreal moss]

https://tenor.com/view/bilbo-baggins-running-adventure-gif-10198122811708180458

[cerulean helm]

Turned it off, took disk one out (that one went into read only) to check disk 2 (the one that had degraded, but after a shut down removal and reinstall said could be initialized) and it doesn't has DSM on it. So, I think disk 2 is a total loss. Hopefully can get disk 1 working or at least pull the data off it.

It won't let me re initialize drive 2, and drive one it won't allow a repair because drive 2 failed...

Oh, I have access to Drive 1 and can copy files over. Thats an upside. Downside is its nearly 8TB of data on a 1gbps lan port on the diskstation.

[cerulean helm]

And for Drive folder one its more than a day to transfer over.
Just looked at the specs for this very old diskstation and yeah. Hopefully the remaining disk doesn't die before file transfer is done.

Its a DS218J. And it only has 512mb of ddr3 memory. A 1.3ghz dual core cpu on a 32bit system.

[cerulean helm]

Okay, back the the raspberry pi and pihole. I'm running out of space again. screenshot shows df -h results after I deleted all the stored logs. It freed up 4.5GB from /dev/mmcblk0p2 But its still using 23GB and I have no idea why.

[surreal moss]

du -sh /* might give you a clue where to look

[cerulean helm]

I don't see anything out of place there. Nothing indicating 23GB

[surreal moss]

oh, sudo it

[sonic meadow]

Does pihole perhaps have verbose or debug logging enabled or something?

[surreal moss]

What commands did you use to delete the var log files?

I wonder if you have an orphaned file handle

[cerulean helm]

I have no clue. Its a stock pihole install. Ive changed no config settings.

[cerulean helm]

Trying to find the command I used. It started with rm I know that.

[surreal moss]

Has the pi been rebooted since you removed those logs?

or the service?

[cerulean helm]

I dont think I did after words. Let me do that quick.

[surreal moss]

Yeah, the file might not be visible to tools like du because the file handle is gone but would still be occupying the space because the service has the file open.

[cerulean helm]

This is after a system reboot.

[surreal moss]

what does the df show?

[cerulean helm]

That did it.

[surreal moss]

Nice

[cerulean helm]

Now to watch for a day and see what happens.

[surreal moss]

logrotate is your friend

[cerulean helm]

5.2GB still seems really big. But the log data should clear every 24 hours.

[surreal moss]

What's clearing the log data?

[cerulean helm]

I think I read, or thought I did that the standard log data should start deleteing after 24 hours.

Ah, found the commands I used to clear the logs, and yeah I had never restarted the system as I had stopped and restarted the FTL service thinking that would be enough.

[surreal moss]

Rotating normally means it starts a new log and renames the old one. Ideally it compresses the legacy file to help save some room

[cerulean helm]

Yes, after I found more info it rotates the logs at 24 hours and deletes after 6 days.

[surreal moss]

Nice

[cerulean helm]

Well, ordered a new 12tb drive for the diskstation and doing a repair and rebuild now. Fingers crossed the other drive checks out and I only lost 1 total.

Full day of the pihole running. The /dev/mmcblk0p2 has only increased in size by 3%. So far so good.

[cerulean helm]

So, need more pihole help. My dns query log is being spammed by something. Like tens of thousands of requests every couple minutes. e.f.0.0.0.2.6.2.ip6.arpa has the most hits.

From what I can see its a reverse query for ipv6 addresses. Buts its pamming my dns requests and I'm hitting the rate limiter. And if I turn the limiter off, my pihole starts to lag.

[surreal moss]

Is that coming from inside your network or outside it?

[cerulean helm]

The ip address is the UDM Pro gateway itself.

It says type is PTR, the client is my UDM Pro, status is okay, reply is N/A.

[surreal moss]

Does it show up in your unifi logs?

[cerulean helm]

Not sure, does the UDM log that?

[surreal moss]

I think it might

[cerulean helm]

It shows me traffic, but no actual log that I know of for domains.

[surreal moss]

hhhmmm

oh hey
https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/pz3w97/crazy_amount_of_requests_to_lb_dnssd/

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, saw that. Haven't found a solution yet.

And I keep losing internet with my pihole. Ended up setting up a secondary dns to the udm.

Or losing internet connection using the pihole as the dns server.

I'm also not using conditional forwarding in pihole.

I get query spam like this. This goes on for pages and pages.

Starting to wonder if ipv6 is causing a problem and if I should just disable it

[surreal moss]

Possibly?

[cinder lagoon]

Ipv6 always causes problems ;(

Like you have to think in two entirely different network structures.
One being the nested ipv4 sturcture where you translate stuff
and one where every device has like 3 globally unique long ass Addresses

[cerulean helm]

And I get home from work, half my network is down. My zigbee hub is no longer connected to the internet, just my private network so no remote access. Nothing was changed overnight. Just what am I doing wrong here.

[mossy gull]

A while back I had an issue with a modem, kinda similar like you where it would disconnect and not reconnect, and it was down to thermals, so my curiosity, have you checked the thermals?

[cerulean helm]

Wait a minute, wtf. Just did an ns lookup of the raspberry pi. Its pulling the wrong ip address, the ipv4 address for the previous pihole install. But, ive changed the dns in the unifi udm pro.

[cerulean helm]

Its in a open air rack mount.

Yeah I get a communication error with the pi using nslookup in the terminal for the ipv4 address.
What would be pulling the wrong dns? My router is manually set to the correct one.

[mossy gull]

A computer or a phone can pull the wrong DNS

[mossy gull]

I mean, so was my old router😅
So shit can happen.

[cerulean helm]

Yeah but, I'm ssh the raspberry pi and pihole. nslookup is just for the pi no?

[mossy gull]

Always when I change settings on a modem or router, I reboot every device connected to the network.
Just to prevent stuff like where 2 devices ask for the same IP or any setting getting messed up.

[cerulean helm]

So maybe just reboot the udm pro?

I'll give that a try and see what happens

[cerulean helm]

Well, the zigbee hub didn't connect, so the reboot didn't fix that problem.

[mossy gull]

I mean all connected devices 😅

[cerulean helm]

I'll reboot the zigbee hub first, see if it connects.

Hmm. Client list on the pihole still shows an ip address to a defunk address.

I have a MAC address, but I don't see it listed in the UDM devices list.

[mossy gull]

Can you remove it?

[cerulean helm]

I don't see it on the UDM pro, I see it listed as a client under the client tab on the pihole gui

[mossy gull]

Hm, weird, then I don't know, you could try to block the "ghost" address

[cerulean helm]

Unless the pihole just stores orphan clients in a database?

[mossy gull]

It could, some devices do that

[cerulean helm]

Whats weird is the client list on the pihole gui has a client listed as pihole using the old pihole info.

[cerulean helm]

Okay, still really confused by this.

242 is the pihole. That address is plugged into the UDM pro. That 53 address was the old address of a pihole install.

[cerulean helm]

I see why IT networking people can be paid a lot. Nearly 4 hours and finally got everything working. However, using nslookup on the raspberry pi still shows the above image. Yet, my zigbee hub has an outside connection and my vpn is working again, so I have no clue.

[cerulean helm]

Back to square one with massive dns query requests coming from my udm pro.

Literally turned the per client rate limiter up to 80k per 60 seconds to see what happened. And the udm pro ip address showed 80k were of dns queries in 60 seconds.

Its reverse DNS lookups.
Pihole shows my UDM pro IP address, the pihole ipv6 address and the ipv6 link local address for the udm pro as well as the udm pro mac address.

What I'm struggling with is the PC has its own client listing, and its barely over 2200 requests. So, its not the pc causing the issue.

[cerulean helm]

And internet crashed. Had to set a secondary DNS (ipv4 and ipv6) that pointed away from the pihole to reconnect.

[mossy gull]

Sounds like you have to reinstall the PiHole

[cerulean helm]

Already done that, multiple times yesterday. It would work for a couple hours then fail.

And I just finally figured it out, I think. Its been 2 hours and I haven't seen the tens of thousands of quries I was seeing before on the pihole. I had the DNS set on the WAN side of the UDM Pro, and auto/manual (I was switching back and forth during diagnosing) the UDM Pro LAN. Ended up putting the UDM Pro WAN on auto, and manually setting everything on the LAN.

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VjYFdHMC3A

[cerulean helm]

And fuck, looks like both drives from my old Synology diskstation have completely failed. EaseUS data recovery found the raid diks as lost partition 1 and 2, but so far have failed to even pull any data on them.

Yeah, this isn't good.

[mossy gull]

This is why I never use a raid set-up where you make 1 disk out of 2.

[cerulean helm]

Well, neither recovery tools I have installed worked to get access. So ended up sending a quote in to a local very well respected data recovery company to see if they can do anything. And, if they can't, it costs me nothing.

They also specialize in raid array recovery. So hopefully I can get my data back.

[jade scaffold]

damn

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, can only blame myself. I knocked over the diskstation off the bottom shelf of my server rack. Couple hours later the drives failed.

[jade scaffold]

oooof

yea that'd do it

[cerulean helm]

I got some stuff off of it before the drives straight up crashed. Even purchased a new drive as one hadn't failed completely but needed to be "repaired" according to the diskstation.

Didn't work. Installed the new drive and the DSM software was gone, the diskstation had reset itself, and every single DSM install failed or just froze.

[jade scaffold]

i need to get myself a propper server rack

so far all my stuffs just in normal cases

server rack would make accessing my stuff so much easier when i wanna do upgrades and such

[cerulean helm]

I have a 12u Startech roller rack. It works for what I have. I'm about to add another switch to the empty top slot for 2.5gbe ports. Not sure why my phone decided the blue indicator light on the server needed to be blindingly bright.

Rack will end up with a Dream Machine Pro, a 24 port switch with 16 poe ports, a 2.5gbe switch, and my silverstone 4u server chassis.

[jade scaffold]

yea something like that could work for me

[iron rock]

well I did it... 4s lithium ion battery for my power tools. I am afraid to even touch the damn thing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524188294456672258/1282631211788931144/image.png?ex=66e00ee7&is=66debd67&hm=30ad5f773a4fe5227cdbf13b0d43cd6c20a22f83255115260b367dabd7aa43ea&

I think I did it right but really no idea

[mossy gull]

You won't feel up to 48v😅
Unless it's like 200 amps

[iron rock]

I am not afraid of it shocking me, I am afraid of it it exploding!

actually it did shock me, 14v is more then enough to shock you threw your skin

[sonic meadow]

you can shock yourself with a 9v battery remember

and those are some of the shittest power sources around

[iron rock]

not on external skin, 9v is a little low for that, just the mouth

[sonic meadow]

have you stuck a multimeter across the output to verify the voltage looks right?

[iron rock]

unless you wet your skin with some salt water

yeah, voltage is right and it makes the drill go Brrrr

[sonic meadow]

nice

[iron rock]

its more charging it I am afraid of. I really hope I got the BMS wired up right

[mossy gull]

Tasers are most often past 20000v but very very low amps.

They're pretty fun

[iron rock]

the BMS is rated at 20amps, the batteries can do 35

the tools should only draw 12

[mossy gull]

I once survived 400v with 12 amps

Wasn't my own doing

All I remember is waking up in the hospital

[iron rock]

I have been zapped more then enough times but thankfully never anything that landed me in the hospitle

electrocution isnt a risk with this. it just scares me because these are lithium ions and i wired/welded/soldered all this shit my self

the pack is connected with 0.15x10mm pure nickel strips (they are real, I checked) spot welded to the batteries. then wires soldered to the tabs to connect to the BMS and the output terminals. along with balance leads to each battery for balance charging

I have to build the charger for it next

[cerulean helm]

And, because I am a glutton for punishment, now to fix the server NAS by remounting the drive pools.

[surreal moss]

Good luck

[cerulean helm]

I'm updating Scale, and then going to rebuild the pool. This I assume is an easy task? As I literally lost my 2nd NAS to complete drive failure just the other day.

[surreal moss]

Make a backup of your configs and make sure you’ve got something handy for looking up z pool configs

[cerulean helm]

Okay, and a remount did nothing, or at least what I did was wrong. I unmounted the pool. But if I go and create pool, it says it will wipe the current data on the drives. So I imported the pool as I saved the data and config, and I'm back to square one with one caveat. Now my PC cannot connect to the server via network mapping.

[surreal moss]

Did you update the share?

[cerulean helm]

Current datasets.

[cerulean helm]

How do I do that?

[surreal moss]

Click edit on the share and update the path

[cerulean helm]

Also, when I go to edit share acl I get this error:

[cerulean helm]

Here?

[surreal moss]

Yep

Since it looks correct restarting the smb service might fix it

[cerulean helm]

So Just restart the sha\re first and then check?
Cause the original issue was I had no ability anymore to add to the main mnt The_Abyss-Server as I didn't have permission.

[surreal moss]

Yeah, but let’s try getting you back to the previous state

[cerulean helm]

To restart the smb I just restart Truenas or?

[surreal moss]

Click the 3 dots in the gui in the SMB frame

Where it says “Running”

[cerulean helm]

Ah, found it.

Turned it off then back on.

And trying to map the network drive fails. Windows cannot access \TRUENAS

[surreal moss]

Hhhmmm

[cerulean helm]

How do I find the actuall path again? I'm wondering if its just not auto detecting the correct name?

[surreal moss]

Actual path of the mount?

[cerulean helm]

Yeah. Cause nothing I have should be named TRUENAS. The share name is Abyss-Storage, and the path is /mnt/The-Abyss-Storage

I remember something about needing the windows username is the path if I recall

[surreal moss]

Do you have a dns entry for the device?

Or you can try going to \\192.168.you.rip in file explorer

[cerulean helm]

Yes, it points to the pihole I use as a DNS. I just changed that in network config as I noticed it was pointing to an OpenDNS dns address.

Didn't work.

NSlookup TRUENAs give a completely different address.

[surreal moss]

Is the ip static or dynamically assigned?

[cerulean helm]

Static. I assume the ip is the same as the truenas web gui

[surreal moss]

It should be, yeah

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, same, no response.
It still on hitting browse poulls up TRUENAS, just won't connect.

[surreal moss]

SMB service is definitely running?

[cerulean helm]

According to the web gui it is.

[jade scaffold]

space marine 2 is out and as per usual the 5700xt is having a fucking stroke over it

Thanks AMD

[surreal moss]

Hhhmmm I wonder if it would persist through a reboot

[jade scaffold]

please revisit your previous GPUs and Drivers rather than just ignoring everything released before 6000

[cerulean helm]

Scale itself? or the PC?

[surreal moss]

The PC. Or is Scale in like a vm/Container?

[cerulean helm]

Scale its on its own computer.

[surreal moss]

Okay, then yeah, I would try a reboot

[cerulean helm]

Rebooting now.

No change

Could this be the user issue I was having earlier breaking the ability to connect after I remounted the pool?

Checked pihole, found the server ip that Truenas uses and nothing is blocked there.

[surreal moss]

That actually would make sense

[cerulean helm]

So I need to fix the user permission issue on TrueNas then, the original problem, lol.

So, now to look at users in the smb share?

[surreal moss]

That would be my next step

[cerulean helm]

Okay, if I go under credentials and Users, I see my username. But under roles it says N/A, whereas the root usewrname has listed Has Allow List, Full Admin

As far as users for the smb share would it be under share acl or filesystem acl?

[surreal moss]

Yes? I’m still puzzling that out myself

Some of the stuff is more responsive to the SMB part and some is more responsive to the Linux part

The SMB is going to need access no matter what. I’d start there to figure out access from the network users and then switch to the file system

[cerulean helm]

Uhm, could I not just give every user full permissions to keep this from happening again?

[surreal moss]

You can

[cerulean helm]

So, both data sets show the same permissions. Back when I could access the NAS I could edit one dataset but not the other, if I go into share acl and just hit save changing nothing I get this long error message:

[surreal moss]

I can’t 😬

Does it do the same thing if you create a secondary test share with the same permissions and path?

[cerulean helm]

I don't have any more drives available to create a share unfortunately.

[surreal moss]

You don’t need a drive to create an smb share

It can path to the same ones you already have mapped

Share, not pool

Pools need drives

Share’s are like overcharged shortcut icons

[cerulean helm]

Ah, gotcha, created a new share called test.

Filesystem shows test user permissions as:

"VM" share shows

And the abyss server shows:

Checking the share acl the test share shows:

VM: top user that I couldn't fit on the screenshot is everyone.
The abyss server has the same permission set.

[surreal moss]

It looks like it’s using uid and guid for some groups

[cerulean helm]

Good, bad?

[surreal moss]

Unsure. Different and maybe odd

[cerulean helm]

I'm wondering if I should just change it to everyone full.

[surreal moss]

You can definitely try it

[cerulean helm]

Changed VM and Abyss Server to everyone and my username.

[surreal moss]

🤞

[cerulean helm]

Okay, checking filesystem acl if I add my username I get this message: Good, bad?

[surreal moss]

It’s a reminder of the risks. It can be fixed via the cli if it goes horribly wrong

[cerulean helm]

Changing share acl gave no change. Should I delete my username and just try everyone?

Filesystem acl gives me this window when I first open it by the way:

[surreal moss]

Up to you on what to do there. Go ahead and add the everyone perm

Btw, don’t type what it actually is. That’s a nasty timeout

[cerulean helm]

Okay, tried to add user to filesystem share for VM:

[surreal moss]

Whaaaa——-

[cerulean helm]

I don't like the sound of that.

[surreal moss]

Oh, try mapping to a file within the mount point

*dir

Not file

[cerulean helm]

Not sure how to do that?

[surreal moss]

When setting up the SMB you should be able to go one dir deeper than the mount point you’re trying to point at

[cerulean helm]

Okay, also tried using the ip address to link as I discovered not only do you need the ip address but the name of the share as well. I got a new error doing that:

[surreal moss]

Progress!

[cerulean helm]

This is before I added any share.

[surreal moss]

Okay. Add the share with everyone and see what it does

Also, btw, are you using some kind of ldap or AD?

[cerulean helm]

? That sure what those mean.

Trying to add a share in just /mnt called test gives me this:

[surreal moss]

User authentication. LDAP is Linux. Ad is Active Directory

[cerulean helm]

It does allow me to create a share in /mnt/The_Abyss-Server or /mnt/VM however.

[surreal moss]

Yeah it won’t like that

[surreal moss]

Test is what I was talking

So now you need to figure out how to connect as the user that has access permissions

[cerulean helm]

This is share acl currently for test:

And filesystem acl for test

[surreal moss]

I just remembered they maintain their own discord

They might be able to get you sorted faster than I can

[unkempt geyser]

We wanna talk about that?

[cerulean helm]

SO, looking at my user permission does this all look normal?

[unkempt geyser]

Oh, forgive me. Not my area of expertise.
HOWEVER, @surreal moss you wanna discuss what you did? xD

[surreal moss]

WHY DOES DISCORD LET THAT WORK!?!?

Genuinely wasn’t trying to escape the @

[surreal moss]

This illustrates what I was trying to send

I tried to break it up with a \ and discord thought I was doing something different

But again… why should that even work!?!?

[rapid frigate]

For tagging everyone?

[surreal moss]

I was trying to break it up. Not escape it

[rapid frigate]

It doesn’t actually tag it, it is just that the AutoBot caught you on “attempting” to do it

[tender plank]

Why is it show "op" mode for Jack?

[rapid frigate]

Because I made this thread lol

[tender plank]

Ahh, "Original poster" not "server operator"

[surreal moss]

AutoBot and I now have a vendetta

Discord too for whatever shoddy programming would have let that trigger an at-everyone

https://tenor.com/view/cat-annoyed-grumpy-gif-13968141

[cerulean helm]

So the user looks normal then?

[surreal moss]

The Samba auth. might be hurting you if you don’t have an AD connection configured

[cerulean helm]

YEah, not familair with AD configuration meaning.

[surreal moss]

Active Directory

Did you give the user a password?

[cerulean helm]

Its linked with my windows login.

My user doesn't have a home directory it looks like.

[surreal moss]

That’s normal if you didn’t tell it to create one

[cerulean helm]

Okay, I didn't.

As far as permissions

Also, nslookup won't connect the the truenas server.

[surreal moss]

The perms seem alright

[cerulean helm]

Fucking halleluiah... WTF I'm happy as fuck but at the same time I have no damn clue what I did to get access.

I still can't add a folder or anything. But I have access again.

I will take any, any victory at this point.

[cerulean helm]

And more progress. I added a new dataset inside the main pool and have read/write access. And it looks like after a long time reading that when I setup all this I was running Core, and then migrated over to Scale. Well in Core you are able to use the root dataset to store individual folders and such. In Scale permissions were removed for the root folder.

So now I need to figure out how, via shell move all the contents in the root folder into the new dataset.

Okay, more progress. Shell shows the issue for /mnt/VM why I can't even access it. As well as why I have write access to the Storage folder.

[cerulean helm]

Okay, 2 questions. First related to the shell screenshot above. How to I change the VM dataset ownership group and other to match what is listed under the abyss-server datatset. r-x to rwx for ownership basically.

2nd question. I need to move all the files and folders I created in the root dataset the abyss server while in windows to a new Storage folder dataset inside the abyss server root folder.

[surreal moss]

chmod 777 /mnt/The-Abyss-Server/

chmod -R 777 if you want it to be recursive

[surreal moss]

I would use a Data Protection job to either sync or rsync

[cerulean helm]

That changes permissions to rwx?

Scratch that, yes.
Would I need it to be recursive though? Not familair with what does does.

THAT FUCKING FIXED EVERYTHING.
I have full access. The fuck. Literal days of pulling my hair out and searching the web. I'm so very pissed and happy at the same time.
Thank you so very much @surreal moss

[surreal moss]

I have full access. The fuck. Literal days of pulling my hair out and searching the web. I'm so very pissed and happy at the same time.
Welcome to Linux!

[cerulean helm]

Thanks, I hate it. Nothing intuative at all, or simple, lol.

[cerulean helm]

Okay, so new problem. While I have access. Anytime I try and move a file/folder in windows it tells me I need permission from TrueNas/Username to make changes. What do I change in shell to fix that?

Going to try editing the local username auxiliary groups by adding in the buillt-in admin group.

That didn't work.

[surreal moss]

It needs to match the group of the user trying to make the change

but honestly you've entered unknown territory for me now. The one's I manage are joined to Active Directory and can associate with the Windows user so things are shared correctly.

[cerulean helm]

But, I'm in windows, where I am the username accessing the network drive I thought. I'm confused as to why its asking for permission. Unless, unless its cause I have guest access on.

[surreal moss]

Maybe?

[cerulean helm]

... Fuck.

Turned off guest access and lost access to both network drives. Gonna try that command again with guest access off and see if that fixes it.

Nope, didn't fix it. wtf

[surreal moss]

I'd have to pull up the manual but my guess is that it needs to have guest access enabled and, because it doesn't know the user connecting, it requires you to authenticate as a user on the system it does know each time you need to execute an action

[cerulean helm]

Well, I disconeccted the VM drive to reconnect it. Its asking me for username and password. But its telling me what I enter is wrong?

[surreal moss]

Is that with guest on or off?

[cerulean helm]

Guest off.

[surreal moss]

But with guest on I bet it would work

[cerulean helm]

Hmm. Under aux groups there is a builtin_guests. Gonna add that and see.

[cerulean helm]

Okay, got access back to the abyss server in windows via ip address, still no access to VM share.

[cerulean helm]

Alright, I think, fingers crossed I got the abyss storage dataset straightned out. I can now read write in windows via mapped network when gues access is turned off.

Still cannot map the VM drive though.

Only difference I can see is the VM dataset doesn't have the everyone listed on the access control list. And it won't let me add it either, not even listed.

What I can see in the difference between the smb shares is the sbyss storage is listed as smb/nfsv4 as the acl type and the mode as passthrough. The VM is listed as possix with acl mode as discard.

Also noticing I still don't have permission on random files to copy/delete/move in the abyss storage smb in windows. Not sure what that is about as I set permissions to everyone full access.

I'll take what I can though. I am absolutely hammering the server copying and moving 3.5tb of data. And the old 8700k isn't even breaking a sweat. So thats nice at least.

[cerulean helm]

Fucking Finally

[cinder lagoon]

Guys since when do laptops with 40GB RAM have an i3, 2TB SSD, Win Pro and cost only 670€??

Am I crazy or what?

[mossy gull]

Devils number

It looks like a Lenovo from the business line-up

But without seeing the exact model, I almost think it's a 2nd hand

Or refurb

[surreal moss]

I’m not superstitious but I am a little-stitious I think I’ll avoid that one

[cinder lagoon]

There's like an HP one like that aswell??

I'm very stitious because like what? It's too good to be true!?

Windows 11 Pro is like 250 bucks alone, a 2TB SSD costs 120 AT LEAST, then there's 40GB (there's no RAM module size that would account for that!?) which would be like 200 bucks in sodimm.
There's like not nearly enough profit for this to be true, right?

[surreal moss]

A 32 and an 8 would account for the 40gb ram

Which, why are the oddball ram sizes suddenly a thing?

[cinder lagoon]

Well 24G modules are a thing now (which is fairly sensical in my eyes)

[surreal moss]

It hurts my 8 bit brain

[mossy gull]

Since Asus started doing it in some of their Zephyrus laptops

[surreal moss]

It’s not like Asus would have invented it though

[mossy gull]

But they made it more popular 😅

Then Lenovo copied it on some of their Ideapads

Now HP is doing it as well

I wonder who's next

[surreal moss]

I’m not talking about pop computing though. I’m wondering who said “we need 12gb modules” and why

[mossy gull]

Corsair probably, but they sell so far I know 24GB, 48GB and 96GB kits.

But I haven't seen it with other companies yet

Crucial also sells them apparently 🙃

[surreal moss]

96GB isn't new. I've seen several servers with that configuration

[mossy gull]

It's new on consumer side

[sacred seal]

I think that system has 8gb soldered ram

Which is where you get the 24 and 40gb ram sizes

[sonic meadow]

Soldered+expansion

[cerulean helm]

Yes, all my new networking equipment was just delievered.

[cerulean helm]

New dedicated 2.5ge switch plus each switch and gateway now linked with 10gbe fiber via sfp ports. Also ordered 3 flex switches for the garage, attic, and basement.

[mossy gull]

WTF Biostar, that card goes EoL soon
https://videocardz.com/newz/biostar-unveils-white-edition-radeon-rx-580-2048sp-six-years-after-original-launch

[sonic meadow]

Uhhh

[mossy gull]

🤔
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-strix-halo-added-to-rocm-next-gen-mobile-workstations-without-discrete-graphics

[jade scaffold]

ROCm is interesting

its good that its going to be going onto more consumeresque parts because its AMDs Answer to CUDA

[mossy gull]

I think it's really good development, because more and more companies would like to see alternatives to Nvidia.

[jade scaffold]

yea sadly ROCm is very early on and has a long way to go

[mossy gull]

The more companies join, the faster it'll go

And seeing how much companies already shown interest in it, it can take off like a space shuttle without rocket boosters

[jade scaffold]

not really

AMD scaled back the developement of it rather substantially

completely ditching the CUDA Emulation part of it

[mossy gull]

I have the feeling Nvidia has something to do with this🤔

[jade scaffold]

they didnt

AMD are just cheap

[mossy gull]

I mean, ZLUDA was going to be the CUDA translation layer as well, and AMD told those devs to stop.

[jade scaffold]

Emulating CUDA only really helps them fufill neiche tasks CUDA can do that ROCM cant yet do more expensive than its worth doing for AMD

[jade scaffold]

because they were using AMDs Code

[mossy gull]

Ah okay

Well, ROCm still is a big step, no matter how cheap AMD is😅

[jade scaffold]

ROCm is good just gonna be a while till it can do any of the niche things cuda can do but thats not a particularly huge market

main market for CUDA and Tensor ATM is AI so AMD are focusing on that

[mossy gull]

Talking about AI, FSR4 might not run on older cards if they're gonna use AI🤔

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-plans-for-fsr4-to-be-fully-ai-based-designed-to-improve-quality-and-maximize-power-efficiency

[jade scaffold]

lunar lake is getting close to properly launching really excited to see how it does i hope it does well

[mossy gull]

I wonder too, but seeing no reviews, does make me worried about Intel.

[jade scaffold]

its not out just yet but its not far off i think its end of this month the first devices with it launch

[mossy gull]

I mean, usually we already see "previews" by the likes of Jay and Linus, but we haven't seen anything yet

[jade scaffold]

yea but usually only a few days before release

[mossy gull]

I am still worried about Intel after the entire 13th anf 14th gen shinanigans

[cerulean helm]

Just realized the new chipsets for AMD and Intel are going to cause a lot of confusion. X870 and Z890.

[jade scaffold]

yea xD

[cinder lagoon]

Windows revokes kernel access from anti cheat
FUNK YEAAAHH

[cerulean helm]

Wow, that would make Linux an actual legitimate OS for a gaming pc.

[sacred seal]

So, is this just going to brick all games that use kernel level anti cheat unless they get an update?

[surreal moss]

Glad I'm not the only one that had that thought

[mossy gull]

This is amazing, especially for Linux users.
And even security wise.

Too many Kernel Level Anti-cheat can be exploited for something bad, and if idiots do that they have near full access to the system.

[sonic meadow]

Damn. I think I just lost a drive 😦

[mossy gull]

Nah, Linux has their way in running games that do have a Kernel Level Anti-cheat, but it's a huge pain in the ass.

[surreal moss]

We're talking about windows games that use an anti cheat system that's dependent upon kernel access

Games that use one of those and aren't maintained anymore might become bricked once that update rolls out

[mossy gull]

Basically almost any Ubisoft title to date

[surreal moss]

Not just Ubisoft

[mossy gull]

I am curious about how they handle it and if they have an alternative to it, like a fake kernel for example.

[surreal moss]

That would require an update of the software though

[mossy gull]

I mean, there are devs who seem to love kernel level anti-cheats to hell and back.

I remember the day I got banned from Genshin Impact for playing on Linux and a fake Kernel.

[jade scaffold]

wanna know something funny

windows itself can just act as an anti cheat anyway

Windows has the capability to rather accurately mind you detect and prevent memory manipulation of a program, Might be a windows server only thing not sure if it requires any of the fancy security things Server CPUs have but it can do it so you wouldn't really even need a super invasive anti cheat

not that an anti cheat can do anything against a cheat acting as a keyboard or something anyway

[mossy gull]

Wouldn't modern AMD CPUs be able to do it with their fancy security chip?

[jade scaffold]

everyones chip has some kind of inbuilt security

not sure what features arent and are enabled and what is and isnt needed

i know standard ryzen just flat out has half of its possible security features dissabled

[mossy gull]

Lets enable them😃

[jade scaffold]

unlikely

[mossy gull]

🥲

[jade scaffold]

on Ryzen they are fused off

The AM5 EPYCs have the ones ryzen doesnt but still lacks all the ones propper SP5 and SP6 CPUs have

[mossy gull]

😭

It would be awesome if they had it though, or not (Remembers the days of Intel Minix)

[jade scaffold]

infact Epyc 40004 supports only like half of the infini guard spec

no SEV Encryption State or Encryption for virtual machines or Nested Paging.

just gets basic security boot, Does get standard memory encryption tho and Shadow Stack

[mossy gull]

Now I just want Coreboot instead of all the security feature

Just simple

No bullcrap

[jade scaffold]

Lenovo just posted a vid of a laptop with the new intel chip achieving 23+hours of battery life

[mossy gull]

Now I wonder how much of that is actual use or the average idle time

[jade scaffold]

It was a YouTube test

In comparison with the M2 and M3 macs of comparable size they get 18.5 hours

[mossy gull]

That's pretty impressive

[jade scaffold]

especially if you consider how much more light weight Mac OS is compared to Windows 11

Not really sure what M3 that is but its got 24GB RAM.

Also to note is the Chip used by lenovo is an ES chip so its likely actually clocked slightly lower than the final versions which will be properly tuned

and sorry it wasnt YT playback it was local video still though scoreing higher than the M3 mac book is regarless impressive

Christ intel may have totally bungled 13th and 14th gen but christ what a tiny lil beast this thing is

[mossy gull]

The question always stays, have they fixed the older issues

[jade scaffold]

yea the oxidation issues wont be an issue

otherwise every AMD NVIDIA Qualcom and Apple chip would have the same issue

[mossy gull]

I mean the Harakiri issues

[jade scaffold]

Yea no that won't be

Chips far to low power for it to at any point request a high enough voltage for the micro code to overvolt the CPU

[mossy gull]

They finally decided that a power limit is good😅?

[jade scaffold]

well also the origional issue was just the CPU requesting more voltage than it actually thought it was

[jade scaffold]

oh wow intel have actually ditched hyper threadding on their standard desktop chips too

thats interesting

[mossy gull]

I wonder how programs will work with it.

[jade scaffold]

same way I pressume lunarlake does where it just treats the E cores as a Hyperthread for programs that arent automatically programmed to pour over into cores

[mossy gull]

Except the big.LITTLE were a mess for some programs as Windows put the programs on e-cores only which lowered the performance.

[jade scaffold]

in theory using E cores as a Hyperthread is faster, Hyperthreads only bump up performance by some 30% or so

[jade scaffold]

thats because of the thread director on die

and some windows tomfoolery which ALSO affected AMDs chips

[mossy gull]

I know on Star Citizen, Windows launched the game on the E-cores and it halfed the performance, or even more than half.
On some PCs people were forced to turn off the e-cores all together, especially people that still use Windows 10.

[jade scaffold]

yea that was fixed like a week after launch

same as AMDs issue

the thread director on 12th gen isnt great nor is 13th/14ths all be it theirs are a lil better but they never treated E-Cores as Hyperthreads they were just other cores

[mossy gull]

Big.LITTLE can be done right, but I think you should make all cores hyper threaded or not hyper threaded.

[jade scaffold]

hyperthreads are inefficient

[mossy gull]

Star Citizen benefits from it currently though😅

[jade scaffold]

if you are trying to go for efficiency hyperthreads will allways hurt that efficiency

[mossy gull]

Wait, you say if I want to increase my AyaNeo's battery life I should disable HT? 🙃

[jade scaffold]

you get a substantial additional power draw then very little additional performance because hyperthreading is only an extra data lane into the CPU its nothing but that

[jade scaffold]

inactive sillicon still consumes power

[mossy gull]

Darn

I only have Turbo deactivated currently, as I see no benefits in it.

[jade scaffold]

data interconnects are now so fast that hyper threadings benefits are just kinda rapidly diminishing

sure in a super data intense workload hyper threads might help but thats only gonna be for big simulations games arent gonna really care that much

infact quite alot of games run faster without hyperthreading as they are only built to scale across say 4 threads and the OS doesnt know the difference between a thread and a Core so it often will throw 2 tasks in effect onto 1 core

[mossy gull]

Currently Star Citizen can only utilise 4 threads, but if you disable HT, it goes down to 2 cores only, losing that little boost.
They're busy changing it with Vulkan so it can use the entire CPU.

[jade scaffold]

that doesnt appear to be true

Thats like 2 years ago as well

[mossy gull]

My tests were around 3.12, we're now at 3.24😅

They must've made it better then😅

Although, I had the i7-6700K back then

My last ever Intel CPU

[mossy gull]

Now I wonder if that'll also work on the 8840U 😅

Before you ask, why I am no longer on Intel, it has to do with them removing functionality from the CPU on the mobile side

[jade scaffold]

Intels modern chips before lunar lake are all also dogshit

so like theres that as a reason

they stagnated at 6th gen only just about still matching AMD at 9th and 10th gen then lost 11th and onwards

[mossy gull]

I mean, Intel did remove graphical options on the mobile chips, where it's now impossible to make custom resolution, which I use to use a lot.
Or on some chips they even remove the option to disable turbo or the wattage step-down options.

And I remember the days where laptops have an HDMI, but were unable to actually use them.

And now Intel has Harakiri CPUs, I hope they fixed these issues on the newer ones, I am kinda tired of their shinanigans.

Battery life only doesn't mean much to me.

[jade scaffold]

they never used to have mobile chips

they were physically identical to the desktop ones

the new Mobile chips are a separate architecture

[mossy gull]

With mobile chips I mean the ones on laptops 😅

[jade scaffold]

i mean thoes graphics were just display outputs really

you could still change resolution in windows

tho why would you

[mossy gull]

Because gaming on a laptop with a 3240x2160 on an intel GPU is near damn impossible 😅
But it was possible on lower 3:2 resolutions

Also, the basic setting for scaling is on Stretch to Full-screen, which you only can change when making a custom resolution.

[jade scaffold]

can still change the in game or windows resolution

and you can tell windows to do 3:2 fine

[mossy gull]

The only resolutions that were in Windows and games were either 16:9 or 16:10, which were all stretched, and the only 3:2 was 3240x2160.

So I was forced to make custom resolution

Which in early Intel drivers was possible, in later drivers your got thrown at you that is wasn't possible.

[cerulean helm]

Iv'e made the mistake of looking at used server equipment...
Found a Dell PowerEdge R730 16SFF 2U server with Xeon E5-2680 cpu, 128gb of ram for $200.

[jade scaffold]

XD

It's always a mistake to look at server equipment

[cinder lagoon]

Just use custom resolution utility. It's very compatible with everything (even most really obscure graphics drivers/devices!)

[mossy gull]

I know, but I just find it sad that Intel simply removed the function without warning

And then pretend it was never possible

[cinder lagoon]

I tend to prefer CRU anyways instead of using the graphics driver.

Intel do be goofy like that sometimes haha

[mossy gull]

They did it multiple times with 1 CPU 😅

[cinder lagoon]

Most likely cases of "the developer made this feature cuz he really liked having it but now it's incompatible and we chose to not pay anyone to apply a small fix"

[mossy gull]

On the same CPU it was possible to make custom resolutions and to even lower the wattage of the CPU and even disable Turbo, and they removed that 2 years after launch

Now I have to rely on 3rd party tools for custom resolutions.

[jade scaffold]

Lunar lake is pulling some insane gaming performance

Gonna be a good year for handhelds this year me thinks

[mossy gull]

I wonder how the drivers are, if they're good then they could compete with AMD in the handheld market

[cinder lagoon]

I was almost gonna click "purchase" during the steam deck sale but it wasn't for the OLED and that price was just a little too much for me

[jade scaffold]

They seem decent probably still not perfect but they are alot better than when they first did a proper graphics architecture

But yea lunar lake is trouncing last gens 7840 from amd not too sure how it's holding up against the Ryzen HX370 but they are very different category of part

[mossy gull]

Nice, finally some competition, I just hope that the software is good for Intel.
There's still some games that are barely playable on Intel, mainly older games.

And I hope Intel's AFMF alternative can't come soon enough

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's because Intel's last architecture to save costs doesn't PHYSICALLY support DX11 or older so has to emulated them

Which for old games wasn't much of an issue unless you were on the weaker cards or the Xe integrated gpus which didn't have the raw performance to do that translation efficiently

It's also like 1800% faster at running ai upscaling than the last gen according to intel really random thing to include but with FSR4 on the horizon that could really help

Will help reduce some of that upscaling latency as well as do it more efficiently leaving more power room for the CPU and GPU to do their thing

[mossy gull]

If FSR4 will work on non-AMD GPUs and not use AMD's own AI cores