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[sonic meadow]

I imagine they wont retail, and will only be sold to OEMs/etc

[jade scaffold]

Not a clue they are distinctly lower end targeted than AMDs next gen APUs but I would assume for the same price most 8840U systems go for

[sonic meadow]

probably need to pull one out of a micropc/tablet/etc

[sacred seal]

Well wholesale

[jade scaffold]

4 p cores 4 E cores

[sacred seal]

I thought this would be a lower end chip that may show up in like a 500$ laptop, not something you would put in a 1000$ machine

[jade scaffold]

Next gen you as well first of Intel's next gen GPU architecture

It's a competitor to the snapdragon X

[sacred seal]

We going to get windows phone v2?

[jade scaffold]

Thoes new E cores are insane btw pulling near raptor lake performance at like 6w

[sacred seal]

This just seems like a really wierd part

[jade scaffold]

The P cores are more efficient but not really overall faster than last gen

They are using 3nm and a proper silicon interposer for the chiplets

The chip is made to run at 17w total and actually kinda replaces the i3 N305 GPU is 1.5x faster than their best I gpu last gen

Im hoping it's as good as it sounds I really do and I also hope because the ram is on chip the mini pcs that come out of it are even smaller than the 780 from minisfourm

With the buttons track pad pc heatsink and fan I'm hoping I'll still have arround like 1/3rd the volume left

If not you can get mm thick OLEDs and the screen boddy is 5-6mm thick honestly I can go a bit bigger than ds lite I just don't want it enormous I still want that ability to slip it in my pocket

[sacred seal]

I find the fact they are putting 16+gb of ram on this thing a bit concerning adoption wise though. I'm trying to think of what kind of PC this is made for. Something like this would be perfect for something like the macbook air, but no one but apple is really building stuff like that

[jade scaffold]

AI stuff is ram intensive

That's what most of its for

And it's for w 11 so like ya know

[sonic meadow]

you think 16+ is too low, or too high?

[jade scaffold]

With games and upscaling using so much ram too 32gb considering it's CPU GPU shared seems fair enough

[sacred seal]

I think 16gb is too high for the class of part

[sonic meadow]

I think anything less than that would be stupid

[sacred seal]

This is supposed to be an I3 equivilant from my understanding

[sonic meadow]

and thats without considering the shared ram part

[jade scaffold]

Keep in mind it's a superior part time 7740u

And I personally would not pair the 7740u with less than 24gb of ram

[sacred seal]

Vendors are still making i5 class machines with 8gb of ram

[sonic meadow]

and they shouldnt be

[jade scaffold]

It could also be that the 8500mhz ram isn't available in 4gb

The I5 variant if this is also 16gb just less GPU cores

[sacred seal]

Wait, v200 is a premium chip (I7+)?

[jade scaffold]

V200 has an i3 i5 i7 and i9 but the i9 is just a 32w version of the i7 which can already be set to do 32w anyway

[sacred seal]

Ah, v200 is the family name

I thought it was like a successor to the nX00 line

Sub i3 class

[jade scaffold]

No i3 officially announced yet sorry

[sacred seal]

Ok, 16 gb as a starting point for a i5 makes sense

[jade scaffold]

The I9 is just a binned i7 with the default tdp being 30 not 15 for the core pretty much

[sacred seal]

32 on an i5 seems a bit odd, concidering laptops with 32gb of ram are rather rare to begin with

[jade scaffold]

The i7 is what they've been showing off at trade shows not the i9

[sonic meadow]

16GB for anything x86 makes sense now

especially when not upgradeable

[jade scaffold]

From what we've seen of it in action it's actually good at a minimum it's the most efficient x86 web browsing chip in history

Can play F1 2024 with raytraced shadows all high settings at 1080p supports Microsoft's universal upscaler when they role around to releasing that

[sacred seal]

for the sub 500$ laptop segment, 8gb is still enough. My 8500u machine still runs everything fine

[jade scaffold]

Yea anyway if this is as good as it looks like it's going to be my plan is to find a system with a suitably compact PCB and then make a DS lite esque device

Honestly as long as it doesn't end up too much wider than my phone is some 8cm Vs the ds lites 7.3 I don't mind too much

An extra few mm here and there won't kill me

[jade scaffold]

Slightly slower graphics performance tbh as expected but I honestly expected the difference to be a bit bigger but I guess intel are able to give their GPU more power with their CPU side being so hell bent on not pulling power 4p 4e 8t Vs 8p 4e 12t on amds that and I'm sure that 8500mhz ram glued to the fucking thing is pulling some work there

[mossy gull]

I never ever heard of "Jaykihn"

And I heard of some weird manufacturers

[jade scaffold]

Leaker I think

Vs the full power 7940HS

Both the intel and the AMD chip beat it out at 15w

[mossy gull]

7940HS, that's a Zen4 laptop chip most likely found in gaming laptops where power consumption isn't that big of a deal

[jade scaffold]

Yea still it's a 7840u with more cores basically

And considering you need to run amds last gen chips at 54w to get thoes 1060 levels of performance hitting that performance target at 15w is Hella impressive both on AMDs and Intel's part

[mossy gull]

The 7940HS also has almost 10% better single score

They both are 8 cores

And the 7940HS is also 20% faster overall

[jade scaffold]

Wait really I thought the 7940hs was a higher core count

Confusing ass naming scheme

[mossy gull]

That's the HX

[jade scaffold]

right

Regardless beating out the GPU in the 7940hs at less than 1/3rd it's power is pretty fucking insane

[mossy gull]

I don't believe Intel that fast, last time I had a "power efficient" CPU from them it had a boost power of 92w, and that's on a 15w CPU

[jade scaffold]

That's cute but

We've seen live demonstrations

Also this info doesn't come from intel

[mossy gull]

I doubt the 17w is its max power usage, that's like saying the HX is a 55w CPU but can boost past 100w

[jade scaffold]

17w is what it'll do if set to 17w

It could probably be told to go higher

As well 2-3w if that's the ram power consumption

As the rams in chip it counts towards tdp

[mossy gull]

I still don't believe numbers till I see it stays below a certain point, and not a 252w CPU boosting past 300w.

[jade scaffold]

That's because of how desktop boost works

Desktop boost is just 1.35x power multiplier

[mossy gull]

And their laptop CPUs do the exact same thing

[jade scaffold]

Depends on sku and even so with set tdp they don't

At 17w max boost power using the desktop boost algorithm would be 20w

Which is still not alot for a 8 core CPU and GPU combo

That's still insanely efficient

On Intel's website they state the new base power figure on their chips which they are replacing tdp with is the max power turbo body can operate within

Unless a GPU on an apu can bypass that but I've never seen a GPU that'll pull more than rated tdp without being told to

[mossy gull]

But here's the thing, they probably go way past it

[jade scaffold]

Based on what

This isn't a desktop chip it's not even based in the same designs the desktop chips are

Objectively factually it's the best power efficiency wise web browsing x86 chip ever built why wouldn't that translate into putting it underload

[mossy gull]

I am comparing it the experience I have with an i7 from 2 years ago, which is a 15w chip with a boost up to 92w

Till I know their new chip won't do that I won't trust benchmarks

[frank blaze]

Truthfully I’m tryna run them all and the only thing so far on benchmark is flight simulator just like the majority

[jade scaffold]

Ah yes the one based on an entirely different architecture

Real AMD bad because bulldozer bad behaviour right there

[mossy gull]

Just because you change architecture doesn't mean you change everything

[jade scaffold]

Well considering 1 was made for desktops one for laptops and their website states their new "base power" is the maximum power they now allow turbo to operate within

The fact that their cpus for laptops last gen don't exceed their power rating in the thinn and light chips

[mossy gull]

That's what they say, doesn't mean that is what happens,

[jade scaffold]

Except for I have a last gen chips and it didn't pull more power than it was rated for

Even the claw the piece of shit that it is doesn't boost over it's rated 40w max tdp

[mossy gull]

That's a handheld, in order to keep performance you shouldn't surpass the power the battery can give.

[jade scaffold]

Yea and?

A laptops the same

[mossy gull]

If Intel laptops didn't boost past TDP, then how can AMD laptops still be faster and more efficient?

[jade scaffold]

Because gee I don't know Intel's architecture is 4 generations old?

Every chip till now is basically a slightly itterated on 12th gen chip

It's literally like a year newer than the 5800x and was actually supposed to come out at the same time but delays and issues getting the architecture working properly delayed it

[mossy gull]

And Zen 4 isn't an iteration or improved of Zen 3?

[jade scaffold]

No

Zen4 is actually very different

All that really changed between 12 gen and 13 gen for intel was the scheduler and all that changed between 13 and 14 and 100H is refinements to how well they could print their chips allowing for that whopping 3% increase in performance

[mossy gull]

Still, they're suckers of power, and I don't instantly trust Intel if they make something "new"

[jade scaffold]

Eh not really 28w isn't alot

And while it's capable of 115w turbo for the 155H and people act like that's crazy it can only do that for less than a second

Still being basically a 4 gen old design for the most part really doesn't help it's about as efficient as Ryzen 6000 laptop chips but far less than Ryzen 7000 which runs really well under lower voltages scales real good with low power

Side note the guy that designed the new mobile architecture is the same guy that did OG zen and zen 2 I think not sure if he did 3 or not

[jade scaffold]

This is enough for 28w apparently

15w should be easy if a design that basic can do 28

[mossy gull]

I find cooling in handhelds impressive, so small yet quieter than a laptop with the same power

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's odd

Usually tho hand helds are thicker than most thin and light laptops and the vent holes are bigger which I'm sure makes up for a substantial portion of noise improvements

[mossy gull]

But not that thick, while thick, they still have less radiator surface area than a handheld

[jade scaffold]

Yes that's what I mean hand helds are fatter

Their heatsinks are taller as too are the fans on them often

I'm gonna run 2 if these lil dudes in my bootleg ds I think

If I do a 20mmx40mm rad I think that should be enough

[mossy gull]

I am gonna put PTM7950 on my Flip DS

[jade scaffold]

I would love to put air jets in it but I don't have 10k to spend on buying them

[mossy gull]

And then the question is if the device can send out the correct power

[jade scaffold]

It can they are easy to power

And the dev kit comes with a driver board for them anyway

[mossy gull]

Fair enough

[fierce monolith]

Hey

Am back

Fixed my stream not starting now my games won’t am lol over here

[mossy gull]

You sure you ain't Malick?

[mossy gull]

Can you explain what you are trying?

[fierce monolith]

Well steam starts

But when I start empire at war from steam it won’t start

But when I start it in the game in it folder it starts just fine

[fierce monolith]

Probably a program messing it up

[mossy gull]

Have you installed the game through Steam?

[fierce monolith]

Yup

It empire at war

[mossy gull]

Does the game have another client?

[fierce monolith]

What

[mossy gull]

I meant launcher

😅

[fierce monolith]

I can start it from it folder

But when I start with a mod then it crashes

[mossy gull]

I mean when you launch the game in Steam, do you get another Launcher?

[fierce monolith]

No

[mossy gull]

Then the mod is incompatible with the game

[fierce monolith]

It fall of the republic

It I’ll explain I’ll press start then it will say cancel then it says stop then that it

It don’t start up

[mossy gull]

When a game updates, but a mod doesn't, then the mod can become incompatible

[fierce monolith]

True but this base game to

This hard to explain

Basically it won’t start

[mossy gull]

Then like I said, the mod became incompatible, Bethesda games have these problems all the damn time.

[fierce monolith]

No mod just game

[mossy gull]

Then I don't know, I am gonna nap, it's almost 12, I may can help to solve it tomorrow but not now, so nightnight

[fierce monolith]

Ok see ya

Ty

[cerulean helm]

Finally starting getting all the network and server equipment into a rack. Took way longer than I was planning, and wasn't able to get everything in the way I had planned. But its up and running. Still need to tidy up a bunch of power cables and such. But its way better than it was before.

[surreal moss]

I like!

Very nice

[cerulean helm]

Thank you. I've got more patch cables on order as I ran out and the non matching cables are driving me nuts.

[mossy gull]

I HAVE FIXED MY BLOWER FAN
oops, sorry caps

[cinder lagoon]

EXCITING NEWS :p

[mossy gull]

For me it is because it's very hot here currently and the fan didnt want to spin at all

[fleet wasp]

Alright folks, seems like my yearly PC maintenance question. Summary to follow

System Specs:

• Corsair RM750x 750w Gold PSU (4-5 years old now)
• Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX mobo
• Ryzen 7 7800x3D
• 64gb DDR5 running at 6000mhz (G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB)
• ASUS ROG RTX2070 Super
• Boot drive is a Samsung M.2
• Game storage drive is a standard Samsung SSD

BIOS last updated about a month ago, Windows up to date (prior build, then updated to current build during problems), all drivers generally up to date (GPU drivers updated 1 week ago)

About 3 weeks ago I started seeing BSODs during non-load work, not gaming, just general video watching and web browsing, about once every 2-3 days. The Windows code on screen was one of two, one indicating driver overran stack buffer, I don't have the second error written down (they would happen interchangeably).

Two days ago, I was playing Tarkov (unoptimized beta, heavy CPU/GPU/RAM use) and started seeing full black-screen computer crashes on one specific map. Screen would black, audo/response would cut out, CPU and GPU fans would continue for a few seconds then ramp to 100% and hold there until manual power cycle.

Windows Event Viewer was seeing the power cycle (Kernel Power Error, from cycling power manually), but I couldn't find anything else that my (limited windows code troubleshooting) experience could ID. On the 4th identical crash, the PC refused to boot even to BIOS. I did a full power cycle, 5 minute PSU off, restart, and that worked. No further issues that night.

Next day, after work, got home and started up the PC, entered windows password, and the login screen started to fade to desktop, it froze there with the login half-visible, then full black screen crash again, fans still maintaining steady. Waited about 30 seconds of that, then did a power cycle. Computer will no longer boot to BIOS.

Additional info: Since the initial DDR5 build, I see boot times of over 1 minute pre-BIOS, during which the MOBO indicates with a red RAM light. Then it hits bios and the light turns off, 10 seconds or less from BIOS to desktop/login.

Since the recent crashes, I'm getting a solid red RAM light, no bios, no indication of progress. I've done full power cycles and let it sit (checking potential memory retraining) for 20 minutes, nothing.

-- I have also swapped out both sticks of RAM, tried single slot, etc., no progress.
-- (as Little-Equinox suggested, CMOS reset is the next step to try)

[mossy gull]

Have you tried to reseat your CMOS/BIOS battery

[fleet wasp]

Not yet, that's on the list to try tonight after work.

I've got about 3 things to try before defaulting to assuming a failed mobo, and that's top of the list.

[mossy gull]

Sometimes a corrupt BIOS setting can make a system unstable, reseating the CMOS can fix that.
It's usually 1 of the 1st things I do.

[fleet wasp]

Fair. I got through the RAM swapping tests and was too tired to want to deal with anything else.

But I'll pull the battery and try to short CMOS tonight.

[mossy gull]

I would just pull the CMOS out, push in the power button for 5 seconds assuming power supply is turned off and put it back in

[fleet wasp]

CMOS reset seems not to have helped. Gonna take some time off again to get a clear head then check RAM seating and all power connections ... Otherwise not sure where to go other than replacing things eventually. Hard to diagnose without BIOS

[sacred seal]

Sounds like the board is dead then. I would try another bios reset just in case, but leave the battery out for a good 20+ minutes, just in case it did not clear (PSUs can have a lot of power stored in them, I actually once had a PC post after I unplugged it)

Other then that, you can look into qflash, see if that is working

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeE_gLl3j94&ab_channel=GamersNexus
This is just stupid

[fleet wasp]

Yeah I saw that lol holy shit

Also though, I found my old receipt and bought 2 year protection on the board from Microcenter so that's lucky

Gonna take the whole thing in tomorrow and pay them to do a full diagnostic with fresh parts, if it is the board it's free to fix

[sacred seal]

Got to love having actually competent PC shops near by. If it was any other store I would not dare bring in the PC

[fleet wasp]

Right?

[cinder lagoon]

Not really knowledgable on DDR5 BUT from what I've heard 6000MHz is pretty fast and many CPUs don't do well with 4 sticks at that speed (sometimes even just 2 are too much).
I would try lowering the frequency (setting the XPO but "underclocking" it)

But given that a BIOS reset did not help I doubt that underclocking it would.
Not sure if you've tried the "minimal configuration" i.E. Single stick of RAM, nothing plugged into the mobo except power, GPU + M+K

[jade scaffold]

im running DDR5 and my boot times arent that long

most of my entire boot time is the BMC On my mobo initialising

if i turn that off my PC boots pretty quick and im running ECC RDIMMs

but yea 4 sticks of RAM on Ryzen is never really a good idea if you are targeting above spec speeds

AMDS memory controler shipped with the Ryzen 7000 cpus is for lack of better words total dogshit its the worst memory controler on any chip they currently offer

[cinder lagoon]

The boot times can be like up to 15 minutes on first boot on AM5, it's ridiculous

[sonic meadow]

ram training can get quite absurd

[mossy gull]

It also happens when you reset your BIOS

[mossy gull]

It always could be worse😅

[cinder lagoon]

Exactly

[cinder lagoon]

It quite possible could AND SHOULD NOT

Waiting on the first ever boot? Sure. 5 minutes is OK.

Waiting on later boots where you have enough time to go to the bakery and get a scone and coffee, finish it and walk back?

No.

[mossy gull]

I would 😅

[cinder lagoon]

I mean I would also like a scone and chocolate but like thats just regression

Back to the future please!

[mossy gull]

Be happy, it took 2 hours for my Threadripper to boot😐

[cinder lagoon]

Exactly, like wth??
Does it just do like an entire memtest86+ run with all the options ticked?

[sonic meadow]

more like sets a few parameters, runs a memtest loop, changes a few parameters, repeat until some stability metric is reached

[fleet wasp]

I've only got 2 sticks, so no worries about the 4 sticks.

When I ran with EXPO off at 4200 or 4800mhz it was actually less stable and would crash upon opening any major application. This happened with two different memory kits. Turning on expo at 6000 fixed that problem, which the RAM and CPU are both perfectly rated for. Ran for months without any problems beyond 1 minute boot times.

I can't change any of those settings now because I haven't gotten to BIOS in 3 days

[cinder lagoon]

Ay alright... that would've been my first red flag there - slower not running better means something brokey brokey
possibly any fluid damage?

Or physical damage? Like poked the board with a screwdriver while building?

[fleet wasp]

No fluid damage possible that I know of, didn't have anything nearby while building. And the build was pretty clean, no impacts or forcing that I remember but it's been about 5+ months now so could be I'm forgetting

Took me about 3 days of troubleshooting BIOS settings to get it to a stable boot though, trying everything. It's why I replaced the RAM initially, thought I got a bad kit.

I'll hopefully have an answer by this evening

[cinder lagoon]

Alright yea gonna say MoBo fo sho now

[fleet wasp]

I'm hoping, it'd mean a free replacement 🤣

[cinder lagoon]

Tho given that it was unstable from the get go it could also be CPU.
CPU's don't really go bad after time. Either they arrive dead/semi-functional or they last for ages

[fleet wasp]

True. And AM5 is notoriously unstable.

[cinder lagoon]

Btw:
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

If 1 Million EU citizens let their opinion be known the parliament legally HAS to address this

[mossy gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RlRWUanaBIQ

[mossy gull]

I wish they stopped ruining games as well.

[cinder lagoon]

Wait do you mean the current state of the AAA-industry or ruining as in "killing"?

[cerulean helm]

Longshot post. Anyone familair with TrueNas Scale? If so, I am looking to migrate my apps (Pihole) from TrueCharts as its now depreciated no longer being updated and switch to the official Scale app version of Pihole.

[surreal moss]

I run a couple Scale servers at work

Couple apps as well but don't use the app version of pihole

[cerulean helm]

Took me a bit but I figured out what was causing my problem. I assumed all I had to do was download the backup data and then restore it to the new app that was configured to use the same port as the old app. But I kept getting an error for wrong ethernet interface. Turns out using the Charts app version you have to add an environmental variable to change the interface to the correct ethernet port. Soon as I did that it started working.

[surreal moss]

Makes sense. Scale is running Kubernetes under the hood to manage the apps

[cerulean helm]

TrueCharts, like all of it was pulled down for TrueNas. Now I can update to the new fork of scale and not have a problem.

[surreal moss]

Oh, I missed that

I thought Charts was the TrueNAS app you were trying to use

[mossy gull]

Both, I seen franchises destroyed

[surreal moss]

Franchise destruction isn't exactly confined to games

[tender plank]

Yes and no. Very rarely does opening the case back up cause it to boot. But you are kind of jinxing it that something will go wrong by closing the case before first boot.

[mossy gull]

You know it's true😅

[jade scaffold]

hey wanna see a cursed blue screen

this is what my friends 5700xt does every time it crashes his pc

[rancid plank]

Does anyone know how to get YT links to load up in the app rather than the web browser? I usually browse stuff on my iPad. This affects apps like patreon, discord, and tumblr. Anyone know a workaround. (I don’t mind the link opening up on the browser when I’m on my PC, I need a fix for my iPad)

[cerulean helm]

And went to update TrueNas Scale to the lastest version (Dragonfin) and it broke the apps I run. Apparently they don't allow you to run the apps on the root dataset anymore so now I have to figure that out.

[surreal moss]

Wha- what did you do lol?

[cerulean helm]

I aparently did a bad thing and when installing apps installed them in the root dataset instead of creating a seperate dataset for the apps. The newest Scale version doesn't allow you to do that anymore.

[surreal moss]

I don't recall exactly but I'm pretty sure both versions I used "installed" in their own space that Scale automatically created and then I linked back to the appropriate dataset

[cerulean helm]

Looks like the easiest thing to do will be to just reinstall on the new update and copy the saved template I have over for my Pihole setup.

[mossy gull]

Have you tried reinstalling the app?

[rancid plank]

I’ll try that now

[cinder lagoon]

Look here
other than that - you seem to be out of luck. No such setting on ipad lol

You can long press links to select where to open tho

[cinder lagoon]

New speed test in town and it's wildly superior in any way
https://speed.cloudflare.com/

[mossy gull]

I wish my CPU was fast enough for my speedtests😅

[sonic meadow]

oooh, fancy graphs

[cinder lagoon]

Wot

[mossy gull]

I have 8 gig.
And most CPUs can't go that fast without 100% themselves

[cinder lagoon]

Geez

[mossy gull]

A 7900X3D does 2.5 gig, and my 7970X does 5 gig.
And any dedicated network tester does the full 8 gig

[jade scaffold]

Need like an unpack server

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
I just got my Flip DS😃

[jade scaffold]

very nice

[mossy gull]

For funsies I compared it to my old ROG G15 AE, which has a 5900HX and 6800M, underclocked to 100 watts or else it overheats.
And this AyaNeo Flip DS has better RT performance which is weird to me but oh well, it really performs well as the APU can run as high as it can go.

[jade scaffold]

I'm happy the next gen APUs don't appear to need to run at 50+w to hit 1060 performance

[sonic meadow]

Efficiency has gone up massively since the 1060, which was only a.. 150w design from memory. Good to see we are seeming to fit a CPU and GPU with that performance on to a third that

[mossy gull]

If I look at my performance metrics on the 2nd display, I usually only hit 38w in Senua Saga on high settings with RT on medium, which isn't much at all.
My underclocked laptop struggles on the exact same settings.

So either the APU is better optimised overall in the driver, ot that old laptop is just fucked, or both.

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's insane how far efficiency has come

[mossy gull]

Can you imagine that a phone these days is just stronger than a PC back in the day, it's insane to think about it😅

[sonic meadow]

from memory the first rPi was roughly equivalent in performance to an early-mid generation pentium4, with the more modern version being even faster (and having multiple cores)

[mossy gull]

Like my dad's old PC with Pentium Core2Quad, used a whopping 450w and struggled in GTA4, and now phones can run it no problem.

[sonic meadow]

oh, and that was with a total system draw of what.. 7 watts? compared to the p4 cpus (let alone the graphics, though the rpi graphics was kinda shit) power of.. what was it, 50-70 watts?

[jade scaffold]

Phones can run GTA5 no problem in theory

Way more than powerful enough to do so the only issue is you have to emulated X86 then also go through all the getting windows games running Linux shit which kinda actively kicks your performance in the balls

But if you compile a game for android or iOS the phones are so powerful they can run actual AAA games which is awesome

[sonic meadow]

the issue with phones is they may not (ie often dont) have the v/ram to run things like that

[jade scaffold]

Honestly at 720p low they'd be fine

Phones have like 12-16gb of ram can run 2-4 as vram

[sonic meadow]

samsungs current mid-high range line (the A series) has 4-12GB, with the more numerous skus being 6/8GB

even the s24 is 8/12GB

[mossy gull]

Funny enough, these days Linux is faster in gaming than Windows, I play Star Citizen on Linux and gain almost 10 to 20 fps extra.
That's how much Windows steals on resources.

And same counts for many games

[mossy gull]

They can, just sad that that usually doesn't happen.
I think if they would port over older games especially on Android and Apple, then sell them for 5.- they actually will be sold like hot cakes.

[jade scaffold]

It depends alot

[mossy gull]

True, very true, but many titles run like a plane on Linux

[jade scaffold]

Steam os is insanely good compared to what your average Linux user runs it actually runs eldenring better than vastly more powerful pcs can

Which is pretty much entirely down to the fact its version of proton has it's very own dedicated Shader cache which from my understanding the versions normal Linux users use don't have

Anything natuvly Vulcan will generally always run better on Linux anything DirectX is more of a toss up depending on features implemented

[mossy gull]

But SteamOS supports less than all the weird translation layers normal Linux has like Wine

[cinder lagoon]

just bought an 800W balcony solar kit, for 300€, excited to see what it will bring

still need mounting hardware though

[mossy gull]

Damn, good deal, lets hope it'll work properly

[jade scaffold]

Oooo nice

[cinder lagoon]

It's an Ecoflow alternator which is supported by multiple smart home systems (including Homeassistant via 3rd party plugin)

Was WAYY TOO GIANT to fit in my car tho, another customer helped me get it home lol

[jade scaffold]

Big boi

[mossy gull]

I need that

[jade scaffold]

Sadly I live in the UK the sun's only visable for 1/6th of the year

If even that

[mossy gull]

Luckily you guys mostly steal the clouds, so we get your hot weather in the Netherlands

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's all the bad vibes and hate we British have made manifest

[mossy gull]

Is that why it always rains in Britain?

[jade scaffold]

Yes

[mossy gull]

Damn😐

[jade scaffold]

We should just build a big fucking bucket over the country and use it to produce unfathomable hydro electric power

[mossy gull]

Like Neon in Starfield?

Oh wait, they create electricity from thunder

Nevermind😅

[jade scaffold]

Next gen 880m looks to be 15% faster than 780m

[mossy gull]

And will be released in 2 years😃

(just saying something random)

[jade scaffold]

It's what Asus have claimed it to be

It's not a new a new architecture and is fundamentally the same GPU so 15% seems on point tbf

890m should be interesting tho it's a bigger GPU so in theory more efficient at lower power so should still be faster

[mossy gull]

I'll wait for the generation after, from what I heard, it's a whole different architecture

[jade scaffold]

Hopefully

We need someone to compete with NVidia

But amd dragging their feet on trying to

[mossy gull]

They're waiting for their new architecture before they will release a competitive GPU, they said it's 1 of the reasons they currently won't release anything higher than the 7900XTX with the 8000 series, because if they did they would have to sell it past 3K fril what I understood

[jade scaffold]

Well also their chiplet architecture was having SUBSTANTIAL issues for graphics processing

[mossy gull]

Starfield on Medium graphics

[cinder lagoon]

I need those GPUs to exist as a PCIe module ffs. Nobody has a cheap (good) video adapter anymore.

The 1030 just aint cutting it anymore for 100 bucks

[mossy gull]

Get an APU

[cinder lagoon]

I don't specifically need one right now but I want to choose a CPU independantly of an integrated GPU

Like for an rPi lol

[sonic meadow]

im imagining a card with a cpu socket and some ram slots that just exposes the gpu

[cinder lagoon]

...? You're imagining a NUC extreme?

I'm talking about a 1030 alternative

[mossy gull]

Yet, an APU is cheaper than most budget CPU/GPU combos

[cinder lagoon]

It is but I think they could make the GPUs from the APU available as a single board - it's wired up via pcie afterall

[mossy gull]

And 8700G goes for 290.-, a CPU around the same speed and a cheap GPU would probably go for double that.
Not to mention it's far more efficient to have an APU over CPU/GPU combo.

[cinder lagoon]

I don't think there are inexpensive (APU) platforms that expose the hardware like a raspberry Pi

[mossy gull]

A Raspberry Pi is an SoC, or almost like an APU but ARM based.
And I think there are devboards with APUs, I thought I saw 1 last time

[cinder lagoon]

It is expansible via pcie (even with pcie switches) tho!

[cinder lagoon]

Those are wildly expensive tho

Bc they're made for companies that will make a product out of it

[mossy gull]

I think Raspberry Pi these days are overpriced, here in the Netherlands they easily go for over 140.-

[cinder lagoon]

That is another point, there are many more worthwile rPi alternatives that are even more open-source

I'm unsure wether to switch tho bc rPi is just so well documented apart from a handful of edge cases

[jade scaffold]

Managed to get an insta 360 link for like 1/3rd it's retail price

[cinder lagoon]

Noice

[cerulean helm]

Well, today I am glad I don't work in IT. RIP to all the IT techs that have to manually fix all the borked servers for the next couple days/weeks.

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah heard about it too - glad we don't use that suite

Never heard of it too, so not sure where it is prominent

[cerulean helm]

Airports, hospitals, gas stations, ect. It affected 25k businesses in total. Add that to the massive car dealship network crash that hit 15k dealerships in North America a couple weeks ago, its been a bit rough for the IT world.

[surreal moss]

All I have to say is

[mossy gull]

And I was thinking on getting the MSI Titan
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/dev-reports-that-intels-laptop-cpus-are-also-crashing-several-laptops-have-suffered-similar-crashes-in-testing

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/game-publisher-claims-100-crash-rate-with-intel-cpus-alderon-games-says-company-sells-defective-13th-and-14th-gen-chips

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-9950x-outperforms-core-i9-14900ks-by-12-with-unlimited-power-settings

[jade scaffold]

Insta 360 webcam is really good quality is amazing and it's weirdly really tiny

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh the WEBcam? I though one of those 360 cameras

(their stiching is surprisingly good but sometimes it just fails so miserably)

[jade scaffold]

One of these

[cinder lagoon]

Ooohhh

[mossy gull]

https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?iD=5481

[cinder lagoon]

Crazy, it has no AI in it :o

[jade scaffold]

That thing is gonna scream

[sonic meadow]

if you need the density of 2 slot blowers then you dont care about noise

[mossy gull]

Let is SCREAMMM!!!

[cerulean helm]

So apparently the CEO of Crowdstrike was the CEO of McAfee during the Windows XP fuckup where the AV pinned a Windows exe file as malware and broke XP.

[mossy gull]

1 scam after the other

[cinder lagoon]

Anyone have experience with XSplit Vcam (XSplit Connect)?
I've reinstalled botht he phone and the desktop app by now and it still wont connect via WiFi nor USB
(I'm trying to use my phone as a webcam, not remove backgrounds)

[jade scaffold]

I've been tempted by the dark audio gods

May or may not have a pair of Sony XB1000s on the way got a really good deal on them

[cerulean helm]

Fiber Optic install crew is here, Finally can ditch Xfinity. Looks like the fiber line will be airial since the box is up on a power pole across the street.

[cerulean helm]

Up and running on fiber.

[surreal moss]

[mossy gull]

Nice, 1.2 gig

[timber barn]

In Germany they would artificially limit the upload to 20 MBits

[mossy gull]

Many countries do that, they say it is to increase data speeds, which is far from the truth, they actually found out Parallel speeds are much faster.

[cerulean helm]

While the rep for the ISP was at my house and the tech was installing I asked them how the billing works and bill increases and such. What I was explicitly told was not what I expected.
No bill increases, ever. Unless I ever change my speed and increase it.
What? So no equipment fee, no data cap, no contract, and a permanent locked in price.

[cinder lagoon]

Sounds great

We get a ftth connection sometime soon™️ and pay like 30€ first year, after that 40 bucks for 1G connection iirc

Maybe the speed also lowers after a year but it would still be triple- to quintouple the current speed and I can't really saturate that even lol

Also: symmetrical connection 🤤

[cerulean helm]

Anyone use Firefox? It seems for me after the newest update that it constantly crashes.

[mossy gull]

What's Firefox 😃

Just joking, but have you tried to reinstall it, could be that new update install was faulty.

[mossy gull]

I use to pay 120.- for 300 Mb/s, then 100.- for 1 Gbps, now 80.- for 8 Gbps

I love how the price went down the faster our Internet goes

[cerulean helm]

A web browser that isn't Chromium based, lol.

I got up this morning to do just that, and I found a new update for Firefox. Going to try that first.

[mossy gull]

I know, I use it personally, but I haven't had any issues on my end.

[cerulean helm]

I may end up doing a clean reinstall. Will wait and see how the newest update goes first. Literally just opening new tabs caused the tab to crash. Sometimes multiple times in a row.

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold What The Fuck is Intel thinking
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-quietly-launches-new-14th-gen-cpus-without-e-cores-flagship-core-i9-14901ke-flaunts-eight-p-cores-and-a-58-ghz-boost-clock

[sonic meadow]

which bit are you complaining about?

[jade scaffold]

i mean if you dont want the e cores i guess

simplfys sceduling rather significantly

[sonic meadow]

I mean, its little-eq, it could be any one of about a dozen things

[jade scaffold]

its targeted at embedded sollutions

an embedded chip with OC capability is quite rare

[sonic meadow]

not that im too interested in current intel, but I wonder what consumer products we might see with these. either boards that purchasable as low as 1 unit without any kerfuffle, or mini-pcs, handhelds, micropcs, you get the idea

[jade scaffold]

honestly i dont care much about intels current architecutre

im more interested for Lunar lake

which is the next gen mobile architecture that actually seems half thought out

[sonic meadow]

throw one on a pcie card and let us add cpus to our pc damnit!

[jade scaffold]

i really hope someone makes a supremely tiny mini pc with the next gen lunar lake chips

i wanna make a small hand held

[sonic meadow]

people have done that with laptop mainboards before, but since they tend to be long you are limited to a fairly big minimum size

[jade scaffold]

there are some mini pcs that are like 7x7cm

i need one where its mobo is 6x6

the new lunar lake doesnt have ram mounted to the main board tho its mounted directly to the chip which should hopefully save just enough space on the main board to get it down that little bit in size the wifi is also built onto the soc itself

[sonic meadow]

one of the upsides of a laptop board is that they have battery charging, dc input, sound (both speaker and headphones), and an embedded display output built in. downside is limited standardised peripheral connections (for input primarily)

one of
and then I kept going, whoops

[mossy gull]

About launching a CPU that originally had E-cores, then they removed them.

[jade scaffold]

my plan is basically this but slightly larger if i can get a 6x6cm pcb i can make it fit

idea is to make the screen portion thicker and use a really thin amoled and put the battery behind that so i can still fit a rather huge battery

[mossy gull]

Define "huge"

[jade scaffold]

bigger than a steam decks

the main issue is gonna be getting a safe and functional chargeing sollution

[sonic meadow]

From Intel's side, having E-coreless chips allows it to recycle defective Raptor Lake dies that might have faulty E-cores but are perfectly working beside that. We suspect this is the sole reason why Intel decided to create this new lineup in the first place: to unload defective dies that probably have been gathering up since the 14th Gen launch.

Intel's new lineup is also advantageous for consumers. One of the main disadvantages of Intel's modern hybrid architectures is the additional complexity of scheduling work on suitable core clusters for optimal performance and power efficiency. Sometimes, OS schedulers will put some workloads on the wrong cores, causing performance headaches for the end user. Additionally, many workloads don't benefit from having E-cores; instead, they only benefit from having six or eight physical cores (or less).
did you read the article, or just look at the headline?

[mossy gull]

That isn't that hard, my battery is 5Whr larger than the SteamDeck's

[jade scaffold]

yea

but this device would be substantially more efficient than a steam deck

on the order of about 5w less total system power consumption

its only tiny so im aiming for about 2 hours of gaming time

[mossy gull]

I mean, I have played like an old game for over 3 hours.
System consumed like 6w in total.

[jade scaffold]

thats way worse than a deck

WAY worse

a deck can go full tilt for over 2 hours

[mossy gull]

Deck also doesn't perform the same.
I can play Starfield, full tilt for 1.2 hours, have 60+ fps, medium settings, 1080p.
SteamDeck can't even run it in low settings.

[jade scaffold]

probably because you are runing 30w or 54w mode

the 7740u and equivilents are not more powerfull than the decks soc is factually speaking

not at the same power

[mossy gull]

Highest it went was 40w overall power in Starfield, I only reach 50+w in Hellblade Senua.

[jade scaffold]

yea exactly

nearly 3x power consumption the deck is capable of

i should fucking hope its faster

[mossy gull]

But the massive difference is that over RAM usage on the system was roughly 26GB in Starfield Medium.

[jade scaffold]

both intels and AMDs next gen SOCs outperform the best current gen SOCs at 15w with ease

[mossy gull]

I never really did endurance stuff, I usually stop playing after 2 hours.
I still need to try Star Citizen, see if that will even run

The problem with these handhelds is the lack of RAM, 16GB is okayish, but everywhere I looked they said 720p gaming in Dragon's Dogma 2, having the extra RAM already means I can jump to 1080p.

[jade scaffold]

the next gen intel chip can have 32GB which is a reliefe
AMDs uses external ram so can probably go up to 64 all be it slower higher latency

[mossy gull]

The 8840U can already go to 64GB, but I didn't want to pay 200.- more for double what I have now.

[jade scaffold]

yea next gen likely wont go above that

from amds persepctive probably no point

[mossy gull]

I believe I seen GPD Win Max with the 8840U and 64GB already, those were pricey

[mossy gull]

There hardly is any point going past 32GB, which translates to 14GB VRAM on AyaNeo's side.

[jade scaffold]

i hope Intel make a good linux driver for their new chip

might then be able to get it to work on Steam OS which can cram some rather absurd performance gains out of certain games

as it holds its own shader cache

[mossy gull]

I am still willing to see how Linux performs on the AyaNeo, I believe they have Linux drivers. But I just want this thing for gaming currently but I think even putting W10 on it will improve performance.

[jade scaffold]

just gut W11s bloat ware

W11 is substantially faster than W10 if you compare them both without bloat W11 is just so much better at sceduling stuff

loads of programs that just remove the bloat

[mossy gull]

I hate the menus though 😅
They try pretty hard to hide the control panel in W11.
In W10 I can easily turn on Dolby Atmos by right clicking on the speaker icon for example, in W11 I have to open Control Panel, go to my audio settings and turn it on there.

[jade scaffold]

Windows is really not made for handhelds lmao

its less than ideal for them

[sonic meadow]

win8 baybeeeee

[mossy gull]

Windows 10 is much easier to use with touch as the menus like Explorer go into a "Touch style" interface when you use touch, a remnant from W8.
In W11 it just stays the tiny menus which are harder to navigate.

[sonic meadow]

😛

[mossy gull]

I have used W8 all the way up to W10, I am 1 of the few who skipped W8.1 or W9 as I usually call it.

I like the full screen start as I use something similar in Ubuntu since Ubuntu 12.

[jade scaffold]

Bassy bois

[cinder lagoon]

Bro has better headphone cushions that I have on my car seats 💀

[cinder lagoon]

The difference to windows was that the app / whatever- search didnt suck :D

[jade scaffold]

XD

[jade scaffold]

These drive surprisingly well out of my phone

[mossy gull]

WTF Nvidia, just give it a different name please.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-GeForce-RTX-3050-with-Ada-Lovelace-GPU-reportedly-in-the-works.867232.0.html

[jade scaffold]

Why not call it the 4050 or something

[mossy gull]

Exactly

[sonic meadow]

Wouldn't be the first time nvidia has kept a product alive by updating what its made of. Typically done with things like display adaptors, likely so that oems/businesses can keep buying the same thing even after a loooong time.
I thought they were still using that 1010 or whatever as their current one of those though

[mossy gull]

But here's the thing, the 4070 laptop, the GPU they want to use for the 3050 lets call it Refresh for now.
Is almost 40% faster.
So they're gonna update a 3050 with a GPU that's 40% faster.

That's like saying you are still gonna call the iPhone 15 the iPhone 12.
Because why not, lets change the chip, but not the name.
It makes 0 sense.

Lets call the Samsung Fold 4 the Samsung Note 10, because why not, lets change everything but keep the name the same

Or lets call the old Tesla Model S P100D the Model 3 performance, but only change the exterior to the Model 3.

[sonic meadow]

They've done exactly that though. that's the thing
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-710.c1990
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-710.c2614
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-710.c3027

Kepler and Fermi

Sometimes maintaining an SKU is important, even if what's underneath changes

[mossy gull]

Just call it something else, because this will only confuse the costumer.
Because now people won't know if they buy a system with the 3050 OG or 3050 Refresh.

Then they see Benchmarks and think "Why is my GPU 30% slower"

[sonic meadow]

Oh I'm not saying it makes sense here, just that they've done it before. And it's not for the consumer when they do, it's for businesses/oems/etc

[mossy gull]

Nah, they're also gonna do it for Consumers, they have done so before

I can understand if you use a GPU that's 5% to 10% faster, but 40%, nah, just give it a new name.

[sonic meadow]

The chip might be, but that doesn't mean it's going to be used in such a way.

But you know what the 40 series chips have over the 30 series?
Massive efficiency gains, meaning yoh can run it at lower power for the same performance, which means reduced running costs, cheaper thermal solutions, etc

[mossy gull]

Still, change the name

[jade scaffold]

It'll be the same core but cut down defective ones

But even so should probs be called the 4050 the difference in efficiency is far too great

[mossy gull]

I don't care, it's too big of a difference

[jade scaffold]

Performance might stay the same but it will be rather vastly more efficient

[mossy gull]

If they said they want to use the 4060 Laptop in the 3050, I can understand, but not the 40 fucking 70 fucking laptop

[jade scaffold]

The 70 laptop is the 60

[sonic meadow]

You mean like the tesla model 3, model 3, model 3, and model 3?

[mossy gull]

Nah, what Nvidia is doing here is to put the Model S P100D hardware in the Model 3 Performance

[jade scaffold]

AD107 is a small high yield die not enough bad ones to make a new GPU but 106 which is desktop 4060/laptop 4070 is much bigger much lower yields

Lots of defective ones for the taking

[mossy gull]

The difference between the 4060 Laptop and 4070 laptop is 20%
Difference between 4060 laptop and 3050 desktop is 20%

[jade scaffold]

SO WHAT?

The difference could be 9000% and it'd change nothing

[mossy gull]

It still makes no sense to use a 40% more powerful GPU in a 3050

[sonic meadow]

The model 3 had had substantial changes (at least) three times in it's production life, but never once had a generation or name change. So it seems pretty comparable

[jade scaffold]

A half dead half disabled GPU locked down in power isn't 40% faster

[mossy gull]

I mean so does the BMW 1 series, but they still don't put a BMW 7 series engine in the 1 series

[jade scaffold]

What do you propose they do with AD106 dies? Turn them into butplugs?

[mossy gull]

4060 laptop🙃

[jade scaffold]

Can't use them for 4060s

Too dead

[mossy gull]

Then rename the entire GPU die

[sonic meadow]

It suggests that the 3050 is an important enough product that they keep it going, even if what is used to make it isn't being produced. So swap in something close enough and tweak it to be closer-enough

[jade scaffold]

Why?

It's AD106 that's the die design

It's just broken

[sonic meadow]

Ah yes, a reported leak is potentially missing information /s

[jade scaffold]

So it gets recycled rather than wasted

[sonic meadow]

Might end up being AD106-A for all we know

[mossy gull]

Because you aren't gonna put a 7800X3D in a 7600X just because you're missing some cache and cores.

[jade scaffold]

Yea you are

That's literally what they do

[mossy gull]

Fine, lets put a V4 in my car and call it a V8 but with missing cillinders

[jade scaffold]

They take a Zen 4 CCD if it's got all its cores and stable at low voltage they stick 3D v-cache on it

If not it becomes a 7700x or a 7600x that is literally what happens

[mossy gull]

They're still called different and not the same

[jade scaffold]

It's not

It's a Zen4 ccd still

The 3080ti and 3090ti use the same die GA102 despite being massively different in performance

The die code name is the literal name of the silicon design

The 3050 isn't gonna be called the 4070 lite

THAT would be stupid

Should it still be called the 3050 probs not 4050 would likely fit better and the rumor now that be wrong about it being for a 3050 refresh and it's actually for a 4050 anyway

You are complaining for the singular sake of complaining

[sonic meadow]

Too you long enough

[jade scaffold]

See this? this is AD106

This cut down or otherwise is still AD106

AD106 is the name of the Die not the public facing name of the graphics card

[jade scaffold]

leaked bench marks of AMDs ryzen 370x or what ever dumb ass name it has seems to be accurate

faster than all the last gen ones are going full tilt at less power

oh and it has no SODIMM Support atm it literally cannot

[cerulean helm]

Cool, Steam updated a game even though its set not to, thats a first.

[mossy gull]

I had it happen multiple times, it annoyed me enough that I moved the game outside the Steam folder.

[cerulean helm]

I went and used the Steam console to reinstall the previous Fallout 4, and then set the Fallout 4 Steam update file as read only so it won't happen again.

[mossy gull]

My advice, move the Fallout 4 out of the Steam folder if you want it to prevent updating

[cerulean helm]

That will break the mod manager, and I really don't want to try and reset that up with 451 mods. The simpliest route is to go into the Steam folder and find the game via the appmanifest and set that file to read only and no update can happen.

For Fallout 4 its appmanifest_377160.acf.

Did the same for Skyrim SE.

[mossy gull]

What mod manager do you use?
Vortex?

[cerulean helm]

Yeah

[mossy gull]

If so, my advice is to use Mod Organiser 2.

[cerulean helm]

See no reason to try and switch when what I have works fine.

[mossy gull]

Mod Organiser 2 uses virtualisation, keeping your game folder clean.
Makes moving your game and back-ups easier, not to mention Vortex destroys mods, something MO2 doesn't.

[cerulean helm]

Never had Vortex destroy a mod.
With modding I'll stick with the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The game is stable and the modlist is stable.

[mossy gull]

Vortex overwrites mod files if another mod has the same files, MO2 doesn't do that.
In MO2 you also can have 1000+ mods easily

[cerulean helm]

Vortex allows you to choose what overwrites what, I have a pretty lenghlty ruleset in place and it works.
If I was starting over from scratch, I'd take a look. But for example Fallout 4, has never been uninstalled and there are mods that no longer exist as well as mods I have edited myself.

And if you were not aware, Vortex was made by the original creator of Mod Organizer.

Anyways, I'm off to bed as my vacation is over and I have to go back to work.

[mossy gull]

Vortex is still based on Nexus Mod Manager, and the old dev from MO2 helps them, but doesn't fixes that plagued NMM.

MO2 currently is made by the community, and fixes everything that makes NMM annoying.
Instead of asking what to overwrite, it shows you, and it tells you if it's compatible or not, you also can drag mods around and it shows you anything new or old it "overwrites", it doesn't ask you what it should overwrite.

It also can edit your game's INI files, making it easier to just install mods and you even can have different saves for each mod loadout, so I have 1 for Frost and other for a normal playthrough.

But hey, if it ain't broke don't fix it right?
Except MO2 fixes all the mistakes from NMM/Vortex.

I have Fallout 4 and Starfield on multiple devices, I never had problems moving my files around.

[cinder lagoon]

Vortex is actually pretty fine imo, I would try different install methods like symlink etc.

[mossy gull]

Vortex is okay, MO2 is miles better, I have used both and MO2 is much easier in use and doesn't have dirty file edits and huge "back-ups".

[worldly berry]

@mossy gull did you end up getting one of those handhelds?

[mossy gull]

The AyaNeo Flip DS 32GB to be precise

[worldly berry]

Oh that's awesome how is it so far? I picked up the ally x last week

32gb has to be pretty awesome

[mossy gull]

Well, there's a reason I never decided on the Ally or Legion Go.
I am happy I got the AyaNeo Flip DS 32GB.
And this is because while running No Man's Sky it uses almost 20GB RAM(VRAM + actually RAM workload), and in Starfield that goes even to 26GB.
So my experience might be slightly better than yours thanks to this.

But I love my AyaNeo, instead of grabbing the laptop for a short gaming session, I grab my AyaNeo.
For longer ones I only need my charger, which I like.
No messing around with controllers, dongles, a big heavy charger and so on.

[worldly berry]

Yea that's what I was kinda worried about with handhelds, wasn't aware of the ayaneo at the time

I've been playing starfield on it with Max settings and it's holding a steady 60fps, I'm not sure how it's doing this tbh lol doesn't seem like it should be possible

I haven't used a handheld since like psp so I'm in a bit of a shock as to how crazy good handhelds are now

They should use this tech for a standalone VR headset heh

[mossy gull]

Max settings doesn't tell me much, what's the resolution and render resolution though?

[worldly berry]

1080p and scaling at 100%

[mossy gull]

Do you have any graphic mods?

[worldly berry]

Nope all stock, haven't gotten into that yet

[mossy gull]

Frame gen and AFMF on?

[worldly berry]

Frame Gen is off, same with rsr not sure what afmf is

[mossy gull]

AFMF is AMD Fluid Motion Frames, a driver based frame generation

RSR is I don't know, never used it

[worldly berry]

Ahh yea I have that off

It's Radeon super resolution, some upscaling thing I think

[mossy gull]

Super resolution is kinda the same as FSR.

[worldly berry]

Even breakpoint and wild lands runs at 60fps with all the settings turned up

[mossy gull]

Just driver based

[worldly berry]

Ah ok

These things are amazing lol

[mossy gull]

@worldly berry what's your sharpening and all that shinanigans

Sorry, I am awfully suspicious with Starfield as you can easily manipulate it

[worldly berry]

I think it's like 70% or something when it's on

Oh no worries I'm just surprised it runs this game lol

[mossy gull]

Nice, I do 50 with 4K mods😅

[worldly berry]

Oh that's insane

I usually game on 4k but this little 1080p screen looks just about as good

[mossy gull]

Even 720p looks okay on these small displays 😅

[worldly berry]

Haven't tried anything on 720p yet might have to check that out

[mossy gull]

I play Warp on 720p 😅
But that's the highest it supports, that's how old it is, and max power lays at 4 watts or something

[worldly berry]

Ah lol yea 4w would last forever, I usually get a solid 2-3 hours at 25w now

[mossy gull]

I get 1 hour on 60w😃

[worldly berry]

60w! Lol damn I want that

Can it run SC?

[mossy gull]

I haven't tried yet

[mossy gull]

No you don't, it's a power hog

[worldly berry]

Eh always a plug available lol I use it for work travel so spend a lot of time on airports/hotels

[mossy gull]

I am waiting till next month till I can get a Minisforum DEG1 and an 7600XT, then move my laptop stuff over to my AyaNeo before installing SC

[mossy gull]

@worldly berry I cannot build a ship without getting a buffer error, I do have 240 mods installed though

[worldly berry]

Oh damn that's a lot lol I was just learning about this bazzite one

[mossy gull]

My advice, download the mods from Synthlight and SFSE, that way ship building is easier

[worldly berry]

What do those do?

[mossy gull]

SFSE helps with script related mods, Synthlight is a modder on Nexus and he basically made mods that make it possible to have a ship without landing gear or multiple cockpits

[worldly berry]

Lol that sounds wild, I'm just using basic ships in game, currently using a hellhound and just unlocked razorleaf but probably won't use it

[mossy gull]

This is thanks to Synthlight's mods, and a few others as well

[worldly berry]

Ok that's awesome lol I think I'll use the mods for ng+

Almost looks like a cracked out combat drake vulture lol

[mossy gull]

It's actually based of the Javelin, just smaller, it has 4 heavy turrets and 12 Gatling guns

[mossy gull]

Maybe a better view on the MK2

[worldly berry]

Oh I can definitely see the javelin in it

That's really cool, seems like there's always more to look forward to in this game

[mossy gull]

There's an entire community around ship building 😅

[worldly berry]

Lol I only need enough to keep me busy until 3.24 :p

[mossy gull]

Same🤣

[cerulean helm]

Uhm, just what? What executive thought a subscription based computer mouse sounded like a good idea?
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/07/logitech-has-an-idea-for-a-forever-mouse-thatrequires-a-subscription/

[surreal moss]

Is that a real question? Everything possible is going subscription now

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: AMD recalled and delayed the Ryzen 9000 because of a typo on the CPU.

Also for funsies, AMD wants to release an APU with 40 CUs, the 7600XT has 32 CUs and the 7700 XT has 52 CUs.

I guess it's time to build a tiny ass gaming PC when that releases.

[jade scaffold]

that chip is specifically a laptop chip it would not fit on AM5

[mossy gull]

Nobody said you can't turn a laptop into a desktop

[jade scaffold]

Still a mobile chip tho so no real bios options no standard fitting mobo

Probably no upgradeable ram either

If the other 2 strix chips are anything to go by

[sonic meadow]

there have been some diy boards using laptop chips. typically fairly limited on expansion options since they have limited pcie lanes.

[jade scaffold]

Very rarely

And only really by asrock

Pretty much all others use defective chips

[sonic meadow]

there have been a few over the years. more more recently too

[jade scaffold]

Maybe minisfourm might do an itx board but you could still make a smaller and more powerful mini desktop using standard consumer/prosumer parts

[sonic meadow]

here, have a a 12700H miniitx board https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805177105069.html

[jade scaffold]

If ultra tiny high performance is what you are after a all in one solution is not the way to go

[mossy gull]

As long I can change the "VRAM" I am happy

[jade scaffold]

You're stick with what ever the pc comes with can probs configure the split tho

[mossy gull]

As long I can order a 64GB or 32GB variant I am happy

[jade scaffold]

Just seems kinda pointless is all

[mossy gull]

Not really, on my AyaNeo Flip DS 32GB I can have 14GB VRAM allocated

[jade scaffold]

No I mean it's pointless to use that chip as a desktop chip

[mossy gull]

Not if you want it to be power efficient

[jade scaffold]

no

still pointless

its a chip that in all likelyhood is gonna be in devices costing in excess of 2.5k

at that point may as well grab a 7800x3D or 9800x3D and a RTX A4000 SFF and then get more performance more stability upgradeable CPU RAM 20gb of VRAM and better power efficiency

[mossy gull]

But that system would be way bigger

[jade scaffold]

it wouldnt

minis fourms mobos that have an AMD APU on them have coolers that are far too tall

Most laptop mobos use none standard mounts meaning you are stuck with the laptop cooler and the extreme width of a 15-17" device

[mossy gull]

I don't mind to build my own cooler as long it can be very tiny

[jade scaffold]

most mobos that run embeded APUs have none standard mounts mainly because the APUs are thinner than the desktop chips

[jade scaffold]

still stuck with a wide ass mb

and youll still need a cooler capable of well well in excess of 120w

[mossy gull]

Thanks, I am gonna try the same with my old Strix 15 AE

[jade scaffold]

which you do not have the experties to construct

nor even equipiment
a basic copper heatsink can be made easilly but one with heat pipes is a different beast entierly

[mossy gull]

I want to try to zip tie a water cooler to the Strix board😅

[jade scaffold]

yea thats a bad idea on a bear die

if a die has a heat spreader different matter but embeded chips tend not to neither the room nor cooling capacity to do so

[mossy gull]

It now has a vapor chamber that's broken

The laptop is limited to 120w, 25w for the CPU and 95 for the GPU or else it overheats, it use to be able to go to 240w.

[jade scaffold]

yea strix halo isnt gonna be that low on power

[mossy gull]

Basically the CPU from the AyaNeo is like 6 times faster currently.

5900HX limited to 25w vs the 8840U with a max of 45w.

@jade scaffold to be honest, I am willing to zip tie a waterblock onto that system.

[jade scaffold]

cool and all still makes strix halo from a laptop as a desktop chip a fucking dumb idea

[mossy gull]

But dumb ideas are the most fun😃

[jade scaffold]

do it for fun what ever

but dont try and give it any justification

because there is no justification for such a thing when pre exsisting desktop parts already do that but better

[mossy gull]

I just want a very flat pc just for streaming and emulation

[jade scaffold]

this lovely thing exists

you can actually go smaller than even that

but that requires an External power brick

[mossy gull]

I don't mind that, I have 2 300w multi charger.
1 is going unused for extended periods of time.

[sonic meadow]

some of those kinds of things would love a decent laptop chip as the base

[jade scaffold]

not really

the 3D chips end up pulling less power and being easier to cool with the low profile coolers

[sonic meadow]

then why arent they used on laptops?

[jade scaffold]

X3D pulls higher idle power

less load power but higher idle power and being able to run very low power at idle is more important in a laptop than being able to run low power under load

[mossy gull]

Asus has 1 laptop with an X3D chip

https://rog.asus.com/laptops/rog-strix/rog-strix-scar-17-x3d-2023/

It currently beats the MSI Titan

[mossy gull]

I guess I am double human now

[surreal moss]

This is a new one for me. Has anyone ever seen a 4060 on a laptop cause the screen to randomly go black and then come back? It has other displays plugged in that don’t have the issue at all

[cinder lagoon]

Does it have an internal display device switcher?

I.E. That the GPU doesn't need to route through the iGPU to display to the internal screen?

Also how are the screens connected? USB-C? Crappy DP cables?

[mossy gull]

I wanted to ask the same thing

[mossy gull]

If you use HDMI, there has been an issue for years now where there's a problem connecting an from my experience Nvidia based system to some monitors, especially Samsung displays but it has been also noticed on other brands.

I dont know what causes this as it's very inconsistent but I think it has to do with the HDCP protocol on HDMI.

I had this same issue on a 1060 Mobile, 2 x 2070 Area-51M version, 3070 from Lenovo and Asus and even a 4090.

[cinder lagoon]

BTW: The

🇪🇺 "Stop Killing Video games" official EU petition is online right now!

You can sign here by filling out a formular or submitting your signature via your (gov-issued) EU eID!
Bringing this petition to 1 Million signatures forces parliament to answer to it in some way (likely actually accepting it and ready-ing a law) which is really important to stop game-publisher's capitalist greed to delete (i.E. make unplayable) eras of tech-history

[mossy gull]

I already signed it, I am next to annoyed I can't play old games anymore

That Marvel game did it amazing, where the last patch just unlocked all DLCs and make the game peer to peer instead of just taking it offline

[surreal moss]

Display port cables. This is a replacement laptop for one that didn’t have issues with the set up so I don’t think the issue is the external hardware. The monitors stay on and don’t change. It’s just the laptop screen

[mossy gull]

Even when idle?

[surreal moss]

Yes?

It’s not super frequent either. Only been a few times in the last couple of weeks

[cinder lagoon]

Can you try lowering the refresh rate?

Like by 10-20%?

[surreal moss]

Oh, I hadn’t thought of that

[cinder lagoon]

Use custom resolution utility if needed

[mossy gull]

Reason to buy a Switch
https://youtube.com/shorts/u27rpHeXna0

[cinder lagoon]

None. That thing kinda sucks by now...

Only reason would be the exclusive games (for $70 each)

[mossy gull]

Not if you hack it

[cinder lagoon]

Well, then you need to spend extra on a used early unit.

[mossy gull]

Nah, just be creative

[jade scaffold]

Also still no could just get a ds

It'll play ds games for like 40 hours straight rather than running out after 5

And the ds is nice and compact

I really dislike the modern hand held trend of being big all the steam deck likes are enormous and for seemingly no real reason

[cinder lagoon]

Intel chips

And powerful AMD

Lol jk

Also the DS is very moddable and becomes even better with said mods

Like better battery tech and charging port

[sonic meadow]

What many portables seem to miss is that the DS/PSP/GB could all fit in a pocket. Some more comfortably than others, but they were all pocketable

And yes I get that many PC games wouldn't work especially well on a 3" screen, and getting sufficient x86 hardware in a package that size is challenging

[jade scaffold]

It's not even challenging tho

Do you know how little cooling you need for a 15w chip

You could easily make a gaming capable DSish sized hand held

Probably still get decent battery life if you cram the battery behind the screen

[sonic meadow]

actually a decent amount

[jade scaffold]

You don't

The steam decks cooler is well in excess of double the required size

Sure it might be louder

[sonic meadow]

15w is well in "real heatsink" territory, instead of just "random chunk of al/cu" slapped on the chip

[jade scaffold]

A skived price of copper is more than sufficient

Hell the pi 5 can do 12w and it's heatsink design is truly awfull

Look at this thing

You could do a skived copper heatsink that's say 3x6cm and like 7mm tall stick 2 little 30mm blowers on it and it'd be fine

Louder than a steam deck probably

[cinder lagoon]

You could do a 20x20mm skyved copper vrm heatsink with a fuck-ass leftover fan and it would probably do better lmao

[jade scaffold]

It's not even like the decks fan takes up that much if it's internal volume

Its mostly the enormous controls

I'm almost certain a handheld using x86 the rough size of the DS lite is possible

[jade scaffold]

Really hoping intel get a grip next gen the chips from leaked benchmarks look like they are good, would be amazing for such a hand held if so

[mossy gull]

This is why I got the AyaNeo Flip

[jade scaffold]

The flip neo is huge

It's still absurdly large

[rancid plank]

How do Legion laptops compare to other gaming laptop brands? I’m looking to upgrade my laptop from a MacBook Air to a windows machine, as I’m more used to that OS. I’m going into my 2nd year as an aerospace engineering student so I want something that can run games (KSP with mods, PUBG, Hell Let Loose) and run complex aerodynamics simulations. Something with a nice screen too as I watch a lot of movies. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I should probably make a thread for this, right?

[mossy gull]

Easier to pocket than the Steam Deck

[jade scaffold]

i would not call the flip pocketable

a DS is smaller than most phones are just a bit thicker

which makes them very pocketable

[cinder lagoon]

Recommend against Legion laptops - other than the latest model they are huge, heavy and don't have much of a performance uplift over other laptops.
Maybe look into XMG laptops!

[rancid plank]

Posted a thread, “Laptop Upgrade”

Should be the newest one

[sonic meadow]

its possible to post links to posts: https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1269313276135608381

[rancid plank]

Oh that’s cool how did you do that?

Is it like how you can link messages?

[sonic meadow]

right clicked, [copy link]

[sonic meadow]

yeah, or channels

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah, using # also works if you've participated in a thread

[mossy gull]

1 thing to know, I don't know how complex the simulations are, but with the stuff I do you do need a desktop or server.
Most laptops simply don't have enough horsepower

But then I do full on environmental simulations for space stuff

[cinder lagoon]

Sounds like pretty "normal" CFD - so modern gaming hardware is likely to be fine™️

Like you can probably wait for half an hour to finish an aerodynamic simulation that you needed to think about how to set up for like 3 hours at least

Could be severely misinterpreting the study field tho

[cinder lagoon]

Do answer in the thread tho

[mossy gull]

What thread

[cinder lagoon]

Here

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/abXKDUESFKs

[frozen igloo]

If I want to build a new computer but don't need to for a little while would it be better for me to get one now or wait until next gen hardware releases?

[mossy gull]

Wait for next gen hardware

[cerulean helm]

Well, looks like the firmware and software to clone my fiber gateway information is finally out. But holy smokes the amount of hackery involved to bypass the gateway is kinda nuts. But, at least the option is finally here. Looks like a winter project for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rIsq8tW8js

[cinder lagoon]

Hell naww lol

Wait so does it unlock faster speeds?

Or just let you use your own hardware?

[mossy gull]

In Europe we can use our own modems and such.

[surreal moss]

We can in the US as well

[mossy gull]

I mean without hackery

[surreal moss]

#1048668928186007582 message

[cerulean helm]

It may fix any latency issues. I personally haven't seen any issue myself though. Otherwise yet, it allows you to use your own hardware.

[jade scaffold]

9700x reviews are out

the TLDR of it is Its more efficient and its not intel

but its performance is at best slightly better than the 7700x
and still looses in gaming both efficiency and performance to 7800x3D

[cerulean helm]

Heck, it looses in some games to the 5800x3d. Not a good look.

[jade scaffold]

yea PBO isnt enabled by defualt

if you enable pbo and turn off its power limitations it pulls about the same power as the 7700x and is actually substantially faster

[jade scaffold]

nvidia took the 3060ti vs 4060ti looked at that shit show and went thats a great idea W H Y

the X3D looks architectually very different this time round so maybe that will be really good X3D allmost always is

[cerulean helm]

Well... If the 9600x is even worse. HU calls it a flop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e80Gqhe2Kt8

[mossy gull]

The question is, do the people who review have the correct BIOS

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/LAaLjEERzu4

[jade scaffold]

Yes the 890m is impressive

Still not quite hitting the efficiency of Nvidia gpus and from that vid it seems a lil unstable but that performance is impressive none the less

[sonic meadow]

and heck, the 3050 is a gen behind. 40 series chips were a massive efficiency improvement over 30 series

[mossy gull]

I love when idiots use daisy chained cables on a 7900XTX, then complain AMD is bad because of the stutters, but refuse to use separate cables because it doesn't look as good.

A 7900XTX can use 600w in their transient peaks, a Corsair PSU can deliver max 288w over a single 8-pin I believe.

[jade scaffold]

No

PSUs can deliver far over their normal power rating during transient spikes

Amd stuttering is literally just how their shit is in some games overclocking vram tends to help quite alot

[mossy gull]

Still also is effected by the cables you connect.

[jade scaffold]

It's not

[mossy gull]

I seen GPUs run more stable with more 8-pin cables over a single daisy chained cable

[jade scaffold]

Transient power is like tens of thousands of w for a tiny tiny tiny instant

No power cable is actually rated for the power transience does

Not a single one

They don't need to be because transience happens for an incomprehensible amount of time

[sacred seal]

It depends on the PSU and how the rails are configured

[jade scaffold]

Pretty much all modern psus have all of 12v on one rail

[sacred seal]

Yeah, but not all.

The cable does also come into play, there was a few PSUs that started having issues with I think it was the 20 series launch, but those were solved with new cables

[jade scaffold]

Any one that doesn't usually only separated out peripheral power

[mossy gull]

Still, I seen GPUs stabilise as soon people stopped using daisy chained cables.

[jade scaffold]

It was 30 series I think and the actual issue wasn't the cables it was the PSUs thinking they are hitting over current

[sacred seal]

No, the 30 series had its own issues that were seperate from this

[jade scaffold]

Weird because 2000 pulled the same power as pascal

Bar the 2080ti and titan rtx

[sacred seal]

I'm trying to find articles from that time but I am comming up short.

[jade scaffold]

yea i actually doubt that
AMDs GPUs dont run the X type memory signalling that NVidias tend to which means they end up with some slight memory bottleknecking which is usually why the framerates particularly on their high end gpus or on their APUs have such inconsistant framerates not like masivly inconsistant but constant jumpy up and down

[jade scaffold]

you see i never even heard of this issue

[sacred seal]

I know the PSU tier list has a few PSUs it downgraded because bad cables

[jade scaffold]

and it doesnt make sense anyway Turring wasnt higher power than pascal so how anyone would come to the discovery their 550w PSU they used for their 1080ti had shit cables because they were scraping their balls across said limit with the 2080ti is beyond me

i think what actually probably happened is people used GPUs with PSUs they shouldnt have and the lower quality cabled scraped just enough efficiency off the PSU for it not to work with say a 2080ti or titan rtx

[sacred seal]

As I said, don't quote me on it being the 20 series. I just remember a few vendors having to update thier PSU cables

Trying to search for it is difficult, everything is about the 12hp disaster

[mossy gull]

I mean not stabilise in performance, but in stability, where systems would crash, go black screen or whatever with a daisy chained cable, and once separate cables were used, the crashes and all that stuff was gone, not to mention the performance went up usually.

I seen this especially on higher end GPUs like the 7900XT, XTX, 4080 and 4090.

[mossy gull]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-x-mediatek-ai-pc-chip-launch-h1-2025-targeting-intel-amd-qualcomm-socs/

Mediatek of all companies

[jade scaffold]

Yea?

We've known about this for like a year now

And mediatek are the biggest Arm chips maker

[mossy gull]

But they lose from Qualcomm if it comes to performance

And being te biggest ain't that hard if most devices you sell are cheaper devices primarily sold in China, India and probably Russia.

[jade scaffold]

yea but qualcom are too far up their own ass to work with NVidia

[mossy gull]

Sounds logical if Nvidia tried to buy ARM

[jade scaffold]

NVidia basically just want mediateks experience with ARM

NVidia already have their own experience with ARM chips

all be it for more industry based aplications rather than consumer based ones

[mossy gull]

Still, Mediatek builds the inferior chips

[jade scaffold]

only kinda

Fundimentally Qualcom and Mediatek use identical core designs

NVidia use Neoverse Cores for their Datacentre chips which are uber fast when compared to anything Mediatek or Qualcom have ever used i wouldnt be surprised to see Neoverse 2 cores in an NVidia chip and obviously NVidia have industry leading GPU efficiency performance and Compute power

as for their recent chips qualcom and mediateks recent flagship SOCs for phones are super equal Mediateks is very very slightly more efficient and ever so slightly slower but not noticeably

unlike x86 which only dictates an instruction set really
ARM dictates Core design this means that asside from IO, Memory controlers, Cache, and general configuration of cores all ARM chips are the same

qualcoms main advantage actually is with their Drivers but on the hardware level they arent actually any better

mediateks inbuilt GPUs are slightly slower but teaming up with NVidia guarentees they beat literally everyone

[mossy gull]

We'll see how it goes, Mediatek still is slower than Qualcomm, and Qualcomm has what, multiple years of experience in the Windows market, while this will be the 1st for Mediatek.
Not to mention, Windows still sucks ass on ARM CPUs

[jade scaffold]

but they arent slower than Qualcom

ive just explained that

or alternativly

[mossy gull]

While apparently consuming more power

[jade scaffold]

no

jeesus christ

[mossy gull]

I don't follow strictly only Benchmarks

[jade scaffold]

yea you do

that and random crap you make up for yourself

the Dimensity 9400 is Objectivly FACTUALLY faster than the Snapdragon 8 gen 4
why is it faster? because it has a couple more high performance cores 4 vs the 2 the snapdragon has

to offset the reduced efficiency from having more high performance cores it has 2 cores of equivalent efficiency to the snapdragons E cores and 2 with higher efficiency

as smart phones are never ran at full power because almost nothing a phone can do will even hit the performance cores this leads to them having the same battery life and same standard use power consumption

both chips are 8w chips

[mossy gull]

I am looking at overall use videos where the 9300 consumes more power as well it's getting hotter.

[sonic meadow]

are they being tested in identical devices?

[mossy gull]

Yep

[jade scaffold]

they have to be tested in the same devices and at same power

send the video then

[sonic meadow]

i dont mean superficially the same, i mean everything but the cpu is exactly the same

[mossy gull]

Around 2:40
https://youtu.be/zwOe69BufqU
Iqoo is Vivo's daughter company, Chinese companies do this a lot.

[jade scaffold]

test is flawed

the dimensity 9300 has a limited power profile it literally cannot exceed a certain power

as does the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3

[sonic meadow]

well this isnt biased at all. start both phones at the same battery % ffs....

[jade scaffold]

meaning theres likely an external factor gutting the battery life of the phone

wait yea what the fuck

batteries dont hold charge the same at different %s

also as for cooling one of thoes chips has a VAPOR CHAMBER ON IT

so no wonder it runs cooler

[sonic meadow]

that was to be expected because the iqoo 12 is more tuned towards gaming performance than the x100. which is meant to be a camera phone
https://youtu.be/zwOe69BufqU?t=177
so not comparing apples and apples then

oh wait, that was the about the time little-eq referred to

[jade scaffold]

Least bias equinox moment

[mossy gull]

I mean, you also could've taken a Samsung vs Asus.
But that would be very unfair as Asus has a much higher battery capacity.

[jade scaffold]

Thoes phone batteries run at different voltages the batteries aren't the same there

[sonic meadow]

they have different screens too
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12691&idPhone2=12695

[mossy gull]

They have the same display, just 1 doesn't show all specs

[sonic meadow]

you mean where one is 144hz and the other is 120hz?

[mossy gull]

You can overclock displays or keep them at a limited refreshrate

[sonic meadow]

and you know what overclocking does? consumes more power.

generates more heat

[mossy gull]

The Iqoo has the higher refresh rate display, not the Vivo

[sonic meadow]

it means that you arent testing like-for-like

or more, too many variables have changed

its fine if you are comparing phones, but the point was to compare a specific subcomponent (the SoC).

[mossy gull]

They're the closest related to each other, there aren't many phones with the 9300.

[jade scaffold]

Or you can test on the actual test platforms

Where you can get repeatable tests

And screen/battery isn't a concern

[sonic meadow]

to isolate the bit you want to test when the ability to test only the bit you need isnt available, you need more than just two "closely related" platforms

[mossy gull]

Nvidia, just give it a different name......
https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-galax-geforce-rtx-4070-gddr6-has-been-pictured-features-ad104-251-gpu

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wLXQnZjcjU

Oh god

9000 gets even worse

common amd i get intel arent doing shit but common

[surreal moss]

It’s family policy

[jade scaffold]

i mean you say that but i dont think lisa is related to anyone at intel

shes related to Jenson tho NVidias CEO

but NVidia aren't just stalling out because AMD decided it'd be funny not to compete with them

[surreal moss]

Oh right. I got them mixed up

[frozen igloo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fBsHXk
Does this seem like a decent pc? It's getting sold locally (don't know if it's the correct fans or not) If so what should I offer? I know my way around a pc but want more opinions before I go forward

[mossy gull]

Keep in mind, Intel CPUs tend to commit Harakiri, so update that BIOS and limit its voltage.
But yes, it's a decent system.

[frozen igloo]

Does the new microcode solve it? If I don't buy that system I have a microcenter nearby for a system like this If I don't by used I will probably build a system like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TQC7KX (microcenter bundle different mobo because pcpartpicker doesn't have it)

What should I offer if I decide to follow through?

[mossy gull]

This system is actually better in gaming, and more stable.

But I don't use an Intel CPU, so I can't say if it actually works, but I heard it makes the CPU slower.

[frozen igloo]

I tend to prefer AMD as well especially since I can stay on AM5 for a bit longer, would you change anything to it? I have a microcenter 1.5 hours away that I would be getting the vast majority of the parts from. Here is the bundle with the correct motherboard
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006816/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-asus-b650-e-tuf-gaming,-gskill-flare-x5-series-48gb-ddr5-5200-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[sonic meadow]

one of (and by that i mean the) big issues with buying modern intel second hand is that you dont know if its already fucked. the damage is permanent, and the microcode patch is mainly to minimize its chances of happening if it hasnt already

[mossy gull]

I wouldn't, but that's me, maybe @jade scaffold has an opinion about it.

[frozen igloo]

The main things I have that I keep looking at is whether I should change the case, psu or storage but even that wouldn't adjust the price of the build to much

[jade scaffold]

honestly thats a very good build all around

the 7800x3D alows you plenty of room to upgrade your GPU as well as has you on a platform that will see new Processors released for it untill 2027

[mossy gull]

Probably longer, even AM4 is still supported

[jade scaffold]

yea but the later CPUs arent better

they are just faulty silicon

[frozen igloo]

Is the sony fx3 worth it for 2k?

[mossy gull]

What type of photos will you be taking and are you prepared to spend 10 times more on the lenses?

I personally usually use my Fujifilm X-T30 V2, and it's been enough in most cases.

[frozen igloo]

I work in videography though all of my freelance gigs are using their equipment. Most of the video I do freelance is weddings and dance recitals though once I get my own equipment I plan on getting into corporate work and real-estate

[mossy gull]

My advice, don't get Canon for filming, they're rubbish at it.
Fujifilm and Sony are much better, but Fujifilm has their own style of video and photo.

I prefer Fujifilm, mainly because they have more warmer tones and look more "classic", not to mention, for the quality much cheaper.

[fierce monolith]

Hey can someone give me a helping hand on something

If not it ok

[mossy gull]

Define "helping hand"

[fierce monolith]

Oh hi

Star Wars empire

Yes I know I asked for help on this before and am back call me crazy

[mossy gull]

I can't remember, but what is it you need help with

[fierce monolith]

Well it complicated

It runs when you use the flies but when you use steam it won’t run

And I study everything too run it but no go

This what happens

[mossy gull]

I didn't know insects would help, I dislike flies because they're annoying 😅

[fierce monolith]

Ok ok I see what you did there

lol

[mossy gull]

Is it necessary to play with Steam though?

[fierce monolith]

No but I want too mod it really bad

[sacred seal]

Is it modded at all, or is this a stock install?

NVM

[fierce monolith]

No mods yet

[sacred seal]

You shouldn't need to launch through steam to run mods

[fierce monolith]

Please tell me how then

[sacred seal]

But that is wierd behavior for sure

[fierce monolith]

It the only one that doesn’t work

[mossy gull]

I think Steam DRM is being a pain in the ass, and nothing you can do to change it I am afraid, I have it with Warp, a pretty old game, but runs flawlessly in the EA launcher.

[fierce monolith]

Ea

[sacred seal]

I presume you have validated the install?

[fierce monolith]

Yup

I ran everything I could think of

[mossy gull]

Yep

[cinder lagoon]

Can you see if there are some special launch arguments in steam

[fierce monolith]

Wait steam argument

What that

[mossy gull]

Some games need an "argument" or command in order for it to launch, I don't know how to explain it better

[fierce monolith]

Ok that actually makes sense

[sacred seal]

Basically you can stick extra commands to change the way the program behaves when launched, but by the looks of things your install does not have any

[fierce monolith]

Is that weird

[cerulean helm]

Empire at war takes a bit to launch correctly. Modded even more so. I ended up reading a forum post on how to install and run the game as I was going to be using AOTR.

[fierce monolith]

Oh

[sacred seal]

You running 11 or 10?

[fierce monolith]

10

[sacred seal]

Hmm, same as me and it runs fine...

Res and refresh?

[fierce monolith]

Did that

[sacred seal]

Also system specs?

Might be trying to do something silly like run on the IGP or something

[fierce monolith]

These just came up

[sacred seal]

Sorry, resolution and refresh rate.

[fierce monolith]

I thought I downloaded all

[sacred seal]

Windows updates fairly often, its unlikely to be an issue in this case

[fierce monolith]

Ok so am dead in the water basic

Basically

[sacred seal]

Well no, there are options

You dont need steam to mod EAW

[mossy gull]

@cerulean helm any solutions for Malick?

[fierce monolith]

Well I find it weird it worked in the past

And it just quit working one day

[mossy gull]

It can change with a GPU or other system update.
I for example cannot play Spore on my laptop, but I can on my AyaNeo, and the AyaNeo is much much weaker, yet it runs way way better.

[sacred seal]

Ah, that changes things

I would run the windows repair commands just as a sanity check

`DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth

`

[mossy gull]

If my Windows misbehaves it's a reinstall for me, no energy to deal with Windows repair 😅
But then I keep a backup of everything

[sacred seal]

and sfc /scannow

[fierce monolith]

How do I run it

[cerulean helm]

Its a common problem with no set fix. The devs updated the game to 64 bit and a lot of the community patches such as the ram patch were nullified. You can try running the game from the file folder and "run as administrator" and see if that works.

[sacred seal]

Open an admin command prompt

[fierce monolith]

That how I run it

[sacred seal]

search for cmd, right click, and run with admin

[fierce monolith]

It the only way too run it

[sacred seal]

Can you run with admin as an argument through steam?

[cerulean helm]

For some thats the only way to play the game. Steam launch wwon't work. It is what it is.

[fierce monolith]

Yes

[mossy gull]

Or just change the properties of the EXE and say to start with admin stuff

[fierce monolith]

Running as admin still won’t start it up in steam

And Ty guys

[cerulean helm]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/32470/discussions/0/1496741765139443561/

[fierce monolith]

Ok foc dosent start up to

Could it be a missing files from steam

Or something

Ok am take a break from this for a bit ok

Thank you guys