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[jade scaffold]

Why tho

No GPU looses any performance at x8

Like if you have a pcie gen 5 mobo with 2 8x slots that's gonna give you the same performance as 2 gen 4 16x slots

You are paying into a dead end platform and one of the most expensive ones at that

2.6k is how much you'll have to spend just on CPU and mobo

[mossy gull]

Because GPUs ain't PCIe 5 yet.
And running any high end GPU in 8x will have a performance hit considering I can't use Crossfire or NV-Link.

Majority of motherboards with consumer CPUs only have 1 16x slot, so I am most likely stuck on Threadripper if I want multi-GPU to work best as possible.
I am just sick an tired of waiting on a 3D render while I also just want to play a game.

[jade scaffold]

it wont have an impact tho on performance

having 2 gpus unless they support NVLink or CXL over PCIE Gen 5 Cannot actuall pool memory

[sacred seal]

Well it theoretically could, but it would have to be a very niche task. Most compute tasks that can use multi GPU use next to no bandwidth

Reltively speaking

[jade scaffold]

yea because they divide the task they dont merge the GPUs into a shared single instance of GPU

[sacred seal]

Supervised AI training is probably the only exception I can think of where bandwidth of a GPU is relevant

[jade scaffold]

yea and realistically you arent gonna be using a consumer GPU for that

because the best consumer GPU gets shit stomped by a $1000 quadro at anything AI related

lowkey you would be better off just running dual system get a CPU with a realy nice low idle power draw then just set up a bit of software to automate rendering when you throw a file at the other computer

so much more cost efficient

the Epyc IOD that TR uses will chug like 65w idleing

[mossy gull]

I cannot even get a Quadro, but it's primarily for Maya3D, which is for me both CPU and GPU intensive.
I have been playing on a SB2 when I am rendering.
Because my 5700X and 6700XT are both on 100%.
That's why I want to go Threadripper and 2 GPUs, then I can play a game at full performance while it renders at full performance.

[jade scaffold]

youd be better off with a 7800x 3D gaming system with a super high speed network card
then a 7950x system with a cheap second hand Radeon pro gpu if you can get one or honestly a 7900GRE/xt/xtx what ever the budget allows and a speedy network card

[sacred seal]

Maya does not hit PCIe very hard from my limited experience with it, and I am fairly sure that PCIe 4 8x is more then enough not to throttle any of the current gaming cards

[jade scaffold]

like you still get 24 cores but said 24 cores are going to outperform in gaming then outperform in workstation all at the same time

[sacred seal]

A 3090 is barely bottnecked by PCIe 3 8x

[jade scaffold]

its actually not bottleknecked atall

dropping from x16-x8 nomatter the pcie generation just knocks off like 2% performance in latency sensitive stuff like games

[mossy gull]

2 PCs literally use more power than 1.
Even if that system is a Threadripper, not to mention I lack space, all I have space for is a 3U chassis.

[jade scaffold]

no it doesnt

[sacred seal]

It uses slightly more power for the same level of compute, but the overhead is minimal

[jade scaffold]

thoes threadrippers idel 65W on the IOD they then will kneck back 280w for the Cores

[sacred seal]

Also the schedualing is going to be a mess

Unless you are doing something with VMs to dual boot the system, which is not a great solution

[jade scaffold]

a 7800x 3D + 7950x gaming system will be leagues and bounds more energy efficient especially when idleing and if you wanna match TRs efficieny in full multi core you just put the 7950X into a more efficient mode and it'll still go faster and the 7800x3D just pulls less power on its cores generally

[jade scaffold]

especailly not with Threadripper 💀

Unstable ass shit

[mossy gull]

And yet, I lack space, so how am I gonna deal with 2 PCs instead of 1?
I also only have 2 monitors stacked, and only 1 keyboard and 3 mice.
But I don't really want to pay 300+ for a KVM that supports 4K60 on both displays.

[sacred seal]

Those cost 100$s

And if you have enough money for threadripper, you have enough for one of those

[jade scaffold]

i could make 2 Systems of that spec fit into a volume of 8l

thats not even a joke

a 3L server chasis is like 20l

Or you could wait for AM5 Epycs

which might have more PCIE lanes

and will be cheaper than TR

because TR 7000 is a joke

[sacred seal]

Finding a case might be fun, but fitting dual ITX systems would be a breze. 2 ATX systems could be made to fit, but getting at the IO could be fun

[jade scaffold]

dual 1U racks for the computers them selfs then a aditional 3rd 1U rack dedicated to just cooling them

its a pretty similar sollution to what some really big rack stacks use

[sacred seal]

I'm talking with off the shelf parts.

[jade scaffold]

but they'll do a bunch of 1U servers then like a 5/6U heat exchanger at the bottom if its a stand alone sollution

[jade scaffold]

yep

its doable

[sacred seal]

Ok, never seen a case set up to go like that off the bat, but I will take your word that they exist

[jade scaffold]

loads of server cases designed with that type of configuration explicitly in mind

[mossy gull]

For the stuff I do with Maya3D are mostly VRAM bound, so small GPUs is a no-no, because they don't have enough.
And I already seen the performance impact of having not enough VRAM and the issues of crashing when running out of VRAM.
7900XTX is literally the cheapest I will buy new because it has 24GB VRAM,

Also I want to easily be able to change displays without using a KVM switch, I don't want to constantly pull out cables or put them back in.
And I certainly don't want to pay for 2 Maya3D licenses just to use on 2 PCs.

[sacred seal]

Doesn;t Maya use cuda?

[jade scaffold]

it does

[mossy gull]

It can work without it

[sacred seal]

Sorry, got mixed up. A lot of the most popular renderers only work with Cuda

Forgot Maya could swap rendering engines

[jade scaffold]

it does work significantly better with cuda but NVidias 24gb GPU is 1.6k AMDs is sub 1k

[mossy gull]

My biggest issue is the pain of trying to load something in when I don't have enough VRAM, my 6700XT I often get errors of not having enough VRAM

[mossy gull]

4090 in my country still stuck at €2200.-

[jade scaffold]

thats cos you live in what is basically narnia

[mossy gull]

Netherlands doesn't care about price drops, only price increases

[jade scaffold]

its europes little Tech dead zone

[sacred seal]

Willing to bet a 3090 would preform comprably to a 7900xt with the right renderers

[mossy gull]

I tell you, our cheapest supermarket is more expensive than Norway's most expensive supermarket.

[jade scaffold]

its really weird the netherlands has almost no tech market

its like literally a stones throw away from the UK which has just an increadible Ebay market

too bad our dubasses left the EU coulda shipped you UK Ebay bought stuff without import charges if we were

coulda just sent you a quadro A4000 ada only has 20gb of VRAM but its got a massive cache and the quadro drivers releive alot of VRAM strein in modeling programs somehow

[mossy gull]

We also don't get AMD Advantage laptops.
Everything here is Intel and Nvidia focused, we don't get cars with electric sliding doors and well, good luck getting an MPV, where over the border they can buy the Honda Odyssey, we have to import it and then it's a 50/50 if we can keep it because electric sliding doors apparently are deadly.
All is just a political game here.

[jade scaffold]

AMD C cores + NVidia GPU = ultimate efficiency laptop

[mossy gull]

Good luck getting that, all high performance laptops I can find are all i9, which in most of those laptops can't keep its performance for longer than 1 seconds without overheating and thermal throttling.

[jade scaffold]

i really dont get why they put such beefy CPUs into laptops

[mossy gull]

The higher the number the easier it's being sold.

[jade scaffold]

if you put an AMD and Nvidia CPU GPU combo in a laptop thats gonna get you the best batery life on a laptop

NVidias GPUs are insanely efficient and AMDs CPUs are really efficient in laptops

really efficient generally AMD CPUs

[mossy gull]

The R7 can perform better, but who wants an 8-core 3.5GHz CPU when you can have an i9 20-core with 6GHz tops

[jade scaffold]

the R7 will loose to the I9 in multi core stuff
but its a laptop that shouldnt really be the concern games arent primarilly CPU bound and anyone who needs crazy Performance on a CPU is better off with a desktop platform anyway

But anyway you should wait for the Epyc 4004 CPUs to come out AM5 based socket with workstation/enterprise features that are actually fully implimented not half implimented and totally unsupported like a certain other platform made by AMD

[mossy gull]

I wanted to get the Framework 16, but its top of the line GPU for on the go is weaker than what I have now.

So I wanted to get the Alienware m18 Advantage Edition, which I have to import.
A similarly priced Nvidia only has 8GB VRAM compared to the 16GB VRAM on the Advantage Edition.

If I want to build a workstation I either have to use Intel Ultra or Threadripper.
I am no fan of Intel's incompatibility list so Threadripper it is.
Need 2 GPUs and don't really want to mess with monitors, KVM switches and all kinds of annoying shit, with what I want to do I need like at least 3 KVM switches and constantly switch Windows display settings.
Even the 7960X would be already better than 2 separate systems for me.

I have by the way 2 LG 45GR OLED and a 24" Huion drawing display.
And I would love all PCIe ports to support Bifurcation instead of only 1.

[jade scaffold]

yea thats why you should wait for EPYC 4004

[mossy gull]

I can't get Epyc parts here unless I have a company

[jade scaffold]

depends on the part

the low end Epycs are sold through general retailers AMD treat them like Threadrippers

the issue with Threadripper is its far too expensive for what it is

Its a dead end platform with countelss issues and its specifically built that way so it cant hamper the sucess of EPYC

[mossy gull]

Shops here only sell Ryzen and Threadripper, not Epyc, I looked everywhere, unless I want to waste another 1000.- just to stay in Belgium and get my CPU and motherboard there.

[jade scaffold]

then you are better off with ryzen

you can get mobo CPU and ram for 2 ryzen systems for the price of a threadripper

never mind the mobo which costs almost as much

never mind the fact that you can upgrade the Ryzen systems and not the TR system

it'll also save you shit tonnes of idle power

[mossy gull]

But how do I deal with my 3 monitor situation?
3 KVM switches is not something I look forward to considering I don't want to always use all displays for 1 freaking program

[jade scaffold]

again EPYC Genoa IODs even the crippled versions are power hogs

[jade scaffold]

just remote into the other system

if the other systems 1 purpose is to render out your models

you shouldnt even need to do that

you transfer the file and set it up to do as much of the rest automatically as you can

[mossy gull]

Not only render, also use while using the drawing tablet.
I had the most painful experience just to make my SB2 touch screen experience work on my other system.

[jade scaffold]

why tho?

[sacred seal]

I don't know about Maya, but I know with blender it is possible to set up rendering farms where it will treat the GPUs on multiple systems like a local GPU for the purpose of rendering

[jade scaffold]

yea you can do that too

[mossy gull]

Using remote desktop shit with a drawing tablet is a pain as it isn't always registered correctly or not at all.

Before I had the Huion tablet I used my SB2 touch display, and often the pen inputs were seen as normal mouse inputs.

[jade scaffold]

you can CLUSTER the systems

[sacred seal]

I would assume Maya would have something similar

[jade scaffold]

RUN THEM IN A CLUSTER

i forgot you can just cluster any computer these days

just slap the computers in a cluster then tell one half of the cluster its for gaming and the other half its for rendering out the models

[mossy gull]

If I cluster GPUs it still defeats what I want to do, aka game while I render

[jade scaffold]

nope

you can tell different parts of the cluster what they can and cant do

[sacred seal]

https://help.autodesk.com/view/MAYACRE/ENU/?guid=GUID-42BB2D18-5181-4A67-9E00-D34CCF97B67A

You have your main rig, and a second rig that is headless that you just remote into to config

[mossy gull]

I am worlds worst programmer, so anything that makes stuff complicated will only stress me out.
I just want something simple.
Not have to deal with over the network stuff and having to constantly pull out cables or mes with Windows settings just so I can use 1 display for 1 systems and 2 displays for the other or vice versa, I just want to be able to move shit around without delay and not having inputs messing up.

[jade scaffold]

I cannot stress this enough:
DO-NOT-BUY-THREADRIPPER
it'll be in excess of 5x the cost over the life time of your sollution and perform Worse

[mossy gull]

I take perform worse over programming failure and all that kinda stuff.

[sacred seal]

Trust me, you are going to have way more headache trying to get threadripper to work well with two GPUs

[jade scaffold]

yea and setting up a TR to actually split iself between tasks how you want it is nearly impossible because the sceduler on the chip for that STILL DOESNT WORK HOW IT SHOULD

[sacred seal]

While both gaming and rendering

[jade scaffold]

Threadripper is a joke of a platform it exsists for AMD Fanboys and people who dont know any better

and to set up a cluster you dont even need to program anything if the software is built into Maya which it aparently is

its just setup

[sacred seal]

I don't know about it bieng a joke, but I have played around with multi GPU stuff before, there is a reason why I have a server in my basement with my p40

[jade scaffold]

it is

AMD HATE their HEDT customers

Threadripper has less longevity than your average intel platform

and somehow all the driver issues of early radeon

Fun fact memory channel 7 didnt work on threadripper 5000 for over 8 months because of a software error AMD refused to fix

[sacred seal]

AI will happily cap all your system resorces, and getting it to not do it while still using the hardware is a pain. I doubt Maya rendering is going to be any less painful

[mossy gull]

I have 3 displays, 2 main monitors and 1 drawing display.
KVM switches will be a pain in the arse for what I want to do.
I just want to be able to drag my program to a display I ain't using.
Last time I did anything remote desktop was when I still was using my SB2 as a drawing display, and inputs not properly registering made my cash out 1500.- for a drawing display.
So if I want to run 2 systems, I have to perform them like 1 so I don't get any headaches on why inputs aren't registering.
How can I make that work?

[jade scaffold]

the first version of the TR7000 chipset was so poorly designed it couldnt handle the small number of PCIE lanes the HEDT 7000s have

[jade scaffold]

On a cluster system all of thoes displays only need to be connected to 1 of the systems which ever system is going to be your head system

[sacred seal]

You have one system with your gaming GPU and all your inputes wired into it. System 2 is headless with network rendering

Only time you need to remote into system 2 is to config

That is how I run my AI rig

[jade scaffold]

which can conviniently be done over the network

[jade scaffold]

thats how i run all my systems too

[mossy gull]

So my gaming system needs 2 GPUs already, got it, because my 6700XT won't run 2 3440x1440 240Hz + 1 2160p60 all on 10-bit.
So in total I need 3 GPUs?

[sacred seal]

Because its networked, system 2 doesnt even need to be in the same room. I use a cheap server which I keep in the baseemnt

[mossy gull]

I don't have another room to put the PC in

[jade scaffold]

if you have a 7800x 3D that should have a IGPU which will give you 1 extra display out at HDMI 2.1 i belive

so like

[sacred seal]

Your not running that many displays period

Getting displays to work across multiple GPUs is a nightmare

[jade scaffold]

you are just making up issues so you can be a fanboy and buy a TR despite the TR being the objectively inferior sollution which wont be able to be upgrade in the future as your needs change

[mossy gull]

Not really, the program just needs to understand that you're dragging it across GPUs, it worked near flawless on my Vega FE, even after Crossfire stopped working.

[sacred seal]

A GPU is responsible for rendering whatever is displayed on it. You drag something across two different GPUs, it does not like that

[mossy gull]

Does the iGPU support UHD 10-bit?

[jade scaffold]

should do

its more about if the mobos port supports that

[mossy gull]

The drawing display is on USB-C, the 2 LG 45GR are on DisplayPort to HDMI.

[jade scaffold]

yea thats fine

[sacred seal]

When you had your Vega FEs, I am fairly sure you were not trying to run that much display. That was awhile ago, but I am fairly sure you need to use AMD's tool to configure the display's layout, and then programs dont correctly detect that they are multiple displays

[jade scaffold]

you just adapt the mobo port to USB C DP

[sacred seal]

And even then I am fairly sure you had to plug all the displays into a single GPU

[jade scaffold]

unless the Drawing tablet is using display over USB C which is a totally different thing and all you need is a USB C port

[sacred seal]

Though I could be misremembering

[mossy gull]

Nah, I had 2 3440x1440 100Hz 10-bit and my SB2 to use its display for drawing

[mossy gull]

The Drawing display has USB-C because I didn't want to sacrifice 4 USB ports just to power the damn thing, and the USB-C on my board support a display.

Why are USB-A ports so damn weak on most motherboards?

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USB A literally is only built for 0.5A power

USB C is built for 2A

thats why

[mossy gull]

Yet on laptops the USB-A support charging a tablet

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thats not adhearing to the USB Spec then

[mossy gull]

Most laptops I had had at least 1 USB-A that supported fast charging for my phone

[jade scaffold]

yea most USB A can charge a phone

[mossy gull]

I mean fast charge

[jade scaffold]

but the max power USB A can do even if you run it at far higher power than you should is 15/20w

fast charge is subjective some companies call fast charge 20w

fast charge should be atleast 45w imo

also before you say somthing dumb like oh ive seen it do 40w before

[mossy gull]

We need a a 8700X3D🙃

[jade scaffold]

know that it physically cannot

[jade scaffold]

why?

the 8000 chips are all trash compared to the normal chips

[mossy gull]

For no reason at all, same that we got the 5700X3D

[jade scaffold]

cool gpu i guess but still not great products

[jade scaffold]

thats because the 5700X3D is identical to the 5800X3D but it just couldnt hit clock speed requirements

the 8000 chips are monolithic chips

they are Architecturally not the same thing

[mossy gull]

So are the Ryzen 7

Or last time I checked they were

[jade scaffold]

yes but the 5700g isnt the same chip as the 5700X3D

its an APU that for some reason didnt get a 6000 designation

because AMD have become intel in naming schemes

[mossy gull]

I am just currently worried how to run a UHD 10-bit panel on a Vega GPU inside a CPU

[jade scaffold]

its not Vega

its RDNA

2 i think

yee 2CU 128 shader RDNA 2 GPU

[mossy gull]

Ah, that's good then😅

I thought they still used Vega for them

[jade scaffold]

thankfully they didtched Vega

probably for efficiency reasons tbh

[mossy gull]

Vega is a power hog I know

Welp, I am gonna build 1 system in secret then.

Wait, how am I gonna hide it if all the space I have is for a single 3U chassis?
1U is already taken by a UDM

Unless Ubiquiti finally releases their UDW Pro

Then I can have 2 2U PCs😃

[jade scaffold]

could also just cram 2 ITX Systems into one rack

i would say look at blade server racks but they are a actual nightmare so dont do that

[mossy gull]

No can do

I have currently 4 4TB SSDs, don't want to bring them external

[jade scaffold]

in 3Us that should be fine

[mossy gull]

I have 1 of these currently in my system, but only 1 populated because I don't have Bifurcation on my 2nd slot
https://www.amazon.nl/gp/aw/d/B0C2THMWWK/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_7?smid=A1WYQ5NOA6LPO8&psc=1

So ITX is a no-go, only if DTX was still a thing

[jade scaffold]

that thing is abhorant

at first i though it was E1.S

but no it just uses the M.2 slot data corruption waiting to happen that is

also that things 260 why doenst that self bifurcate

i can buy PCIE Switches for that price good god

[mossy gull]

Well, I have it because I tend to backup data, and because I don't have Thunderbolt this is the 2nd best thing.
And I don't want to remove my GPU just to use remove 1 of my own.

[mossy gull]

That's literally the cheapest in my country 😐

[jade scaffold]

thats aweful

[mossy gull]

They go for roughly 800.- overhere, 400.- for a single slot

[jade scaffold]

M.2 SSDs arent made for Hotswap you will either light them on fire or corrupt the data on them eventually

Are U.2 drives of any description not a thing

[mossy gull]

Server hardware have a nice mark-up here😃

[jade scaffold]

like theres consumer U.2 drives

thoes are a thing

[mossy gull]

I don't hotswap, I turn off the system before even trying to remove or put another SSD in it

[mossy gull]

Tell that to the average consumer who doesn't know the difference between M.2 SATA and M.2 NVMe.
Here the common name for those SSDs is Stick Harddrive

[jade scaffold]

maybe just buy a thunderbolt addin card then

[mossy gull]

I was planning to, till the 1 I wanted I was told would be a terrible buy, also another 250.- by the way

[jade scaffold]

actually

USB4 should be cheaper

because USB 4 doesnt require an Intel chipset

and its literally the same thing

[mossy gull]

And the hassle if a Thunderbolt dock supports USB4

[jade scaffold]

all thunderbolt docks supports USB 4

if they dont then its not conformed to the thunderbolt spec and you've been lied to

[mossy gull]

But how is a Thunderbolt or USB4 card + Thunderbolt dock any safer than the switch frame I currently have?

[jade scaffold]

USB 4 and Thunderbolt 3 are and i mean this in the most literal possible sense the same thing the only difference is USB 4 is the name of the open standard and thunderbolt 3 was intels name for it when it was their thing

[jade scaffold]

its just kinda more convinient to move data and M.2 is only rated for 250 insertions

asus comming in clutch

you can get asus stuff quite easy right?

[mossy gull]

Not anymore considering they're on the list of "fire hazard" since the problem with that 1 motherboard.

[jade scaffold]

well you gonna have to buy another one of thoes m.2 card things pretty soon

that things got a shorter life than a 2019 mac book pro

[mossy gull]

I have the MacBook with 1 USB-C port, There's nothing worse than that machine

It was notorious for burning itself to death

[jade scaffold]

Honestly somthing like this is probably going to be your best bet

its surprisingly not that expensvie

its like £80 here might be more for you

[mossy gull]

2nd best I can find is this 1
https://www.amazon.nl/Gigabyte-Thunderbolt-Controller-Displayport-Bandwidth/dp/B083HZHP62/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?crid=33LGG7IQ9WX1G&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5d_ICgKcDQymEQelQljwjgZruXX06VwPZqn7DQRjLY3O37ZJOOBrb8GYK0aFK6lnLK6pB_UqzlK4Q1Y6njpZ4kBFo0aH8Q3e8YsRGZy22D3ofbyFm3YrtElfDrbylvik12GEwvZ4oYrEWC5ZfHHbncwjOjDLCUT7EGOIu54Plyb2Zc_P8kuTIMdM4lJLfkT8JHCCr6l9uTauS9EvShO3KQ.tkQEiaISrBKiD1Pb_MJNc286GmCrS0JZzl_sqzSjsp4&dib_tag=se&keywords=thunderbolt+4+controller&qid=1714201095&sprefix=Thunderbolt+4+controll%2Caps%2C149&sr=8-7

Probably won't work with my board😃

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https://www.amazon.nl/ASUS-ThunderboltEX-Thunderbolt-adapter-Thunderbolt-90MC09P0-M0EAY0/dp/B08CVCWL2Q/ref=sr_1_31?__mk_nl_NL=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=3FQHN3041LU4Q&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Aer0bsSwOzmSMGsT_ZalmnFeKiufDxYywhU-35-CtrSV6fSvQvxtZTXkhGRhllm7m4Y2qxRjr4fnF7WG4ScA3Hapch8MJAKURPr5LZY725tXKgIcdL4oEMIdLaJ8GOWsuZ9g9A7dlGgxZoYjdSfn6YFyGCn9YsXh5d8yd0vgCqyRYrs7ByByU5KHDemB7iFz8hPdP0Fy-WaB27qzkAVb-aGa-GIE0j7_g1BxL7ZgP2BLF8wjeFed0dlZviQJFyEJEtjJNimJtu7RlP4N1wnKphHAR5FkjTBgTYuYilLT4ms.eNXH9Nap-YVrraFYcTvi4X-b35r_A4TlVRmd6Qce5ug&dib_tag=se&keywords=USB+4+PCIE+card&qid=1714201576&sprefix=usb+4+pcie+card%2Caps%2C71&sr=8-31

asus one

[mossy gull]

That's better

[balmy flicker]

Is the steam deck still the best PC hand held?

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yea it looks like the USB 4 card didnt make its way over to the Netherlands

[mossy gull]

Why the holy freaking balls does it have DP-in😐

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the one you linked did too

its so you can do display over the thunderbolt cable

[mossy gull]

Nope, haven't been since the ROG Ally came into the picture

[jade scaffold]

you cant pull display from the PCIE lanes

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thats not true

ROG Ally cant match steam deck performance unless you run it at over 2x the power

[mossy gull]

You sure🤨

[jade scaffold]

better cpu theoretically better GPU
in practice there isnt enough power to go arround for both of them

[balmy flicker]

All the comparisons I have read ranked the Ally after lanovos and after the steam deck

[jade scaffold]

yea

it is more powerfull
only if you give it lots and lots and lots of juice

[mossy gull]

The Steam Deck has something similar to 680M, but is usually unable to cool it, the ROG Ally has something similar to the 780m, but is able to cool it'

[balmy flicker]

So it is better plugged in defeating the point

[jade scaffold]

yes but the power budget is different

to get the 780m performance it says it can get it has to be run at extremely high power

like 8700g TDP high power

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yea pretty much

the steam deck also got a node shrink with the OLED version

making it even more power efficient

despite it using an older core architecture

[balmy flicker]

That and not running W11 likely helps

[jade scaffold]

the steam decks base version is also like half the price and it has track pads so you can play things that need mouse input or navigate a desktop

[mossy gull]

I am still thinking between the Legion Go and Win4🤣

[jade scaffold]

ironically the ROG ally would be a better steam OS console while the Steam deck would make for a much better windows console

because the Ally doesnt have a track pad

[balmy flicker]

Sounds like it will be that for me then as I will likely load factorio or similar games on it

[mossy gull]

Windows 11 touch screen experience 😃

[jade scaffold]

ass

[balmy flicker]

I hate touch screen only interfaces all hail the eracer mouce

[mossy gull]

Tell me about it.
W10 had better touch experience in my opinion where the UI swaps to bigger buttons as soon you start using a touch display where I never got that to work in W11.
But then an SB2 is terrible

[balmy flicker]

Sb2?

[jade scaffold]

yea performance is the same despite the Allys Theoretically hugly more powerfull APU

literally 2 generations newer on the CPU and 1 generation on the GPU

better battery too

[mossy gull]

Microsoft Surface Book 2, it use to have a CPU that you could downclock to 8w, till Intel decided it should stick to 25w, making its performance just worse overall.

[jade scaffold]

If you are going to get a steam deck make sure you get the OLED version

is the take away im getting here

[mossy gull]

But the Ally you can connect to a GPU at home, 1 thing I like about both the Ally and Win4, not that you will ever use it🙃

[jade scaffold]

also the Ally doesnt supprot HDR and the deck aparently does

which is kinda weird tbh

[mossy gull]

OLED kinda is already HDR in itself though

[jade scaffold]

kinda

better colour in HDR mode

[mossy gull]

I still miss Dolby Vision in Mass Effect Andromeda 😐

[jade scaffold]

i wonder if you can dual boot a steam deck

[mossy gull]

You should be able to

[jade scaffold]

would be pretty nifty to run windows on it for certain games which hate linux

[mossy gull]

Use a VM with GPU and Kernel support on the Steam Deck😃

[jade scaffold]

a VM is a fair bit of computing tho

if the deck had more cores maybe id do that but i feel maybe dual booting might work out better

[mossy gull]

I made it work on Ubuntu once though

[jade scaffold]

yea but at the performance point of the deck Id want as much performance as i could get

wonder if the decks overclockable

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold does USB-C 4 support a GPU?

[jade scaffold]

might be abel to tune it for a fair bit extra GPU power

[jade scaffold]

yup

[mossy gull]

Good

[jade scaffold]

supports PCIE Over USB C

USB 4 is Literally thunderbolt 3

Intel said to USB heres this spec we made

and thats how we got USB 4 thats not a joke

its why thunderbolt and USB 4 are compatible because they are in every sense the same thing

[mossy gull]

Then I'll get the Win4.
Only reason is I feel the extra RAM will help a bit in games, the other 3 only have 16GB while the Win4 goes up to 64GB.
The Go and Win4 both have USB-C 4, with the Win4 having an advantage of also having the Oculink which probably is terrible 😅

[jade scaffold]

yea with the CPU and GPU sharing i would have liked a bit more than 16gb

even 20gb would be good 4 for the gpu 16 because of the decks relativly low resolution i think inevery possible game with 20gb you'd be fine

also you can overclock the deck

if you'll excuse me im going to go get one and see how much of my life i can waste tuning the thing to be faster

[mossy gull]

I am a lot on the go, and the Win4 smaller size is just nicer to have

[jade scaffold]

yea thats my one issue with the deck

its BEEFY

if i undervolt the CPU then overclock the GPU might be able to get 500mhz extra on the GPU core

[mossy gull]

Ever seen the Legion Go?
It's massive

[jade scaffold]

yes

the legion is comically huge

[mossy gull]

The Win4 apparently has a pretty good cooling, so I'll take that anytime.
Maybe try to connect the 7900XTX to it just for fun😅

The CPU is already faster than I have currently in my laptop, thank you Asus for having an Aluminium heatsink with cheap liquid metal and then also forcing people to have an OC on the CPU.

@jade scaffold don't get Asus laptops, especially not their Strix lineup 😐

[jade scaffold]

their more xps type competetor laptops are better

Zephyrus are they called?

[mossy gull]

I know, and they're 1/4th the thickness

[mossy gull]

Yep

The Strix and TUF line-up been nothing but overheating troubles after 1 year of usage

[cerulean helm]

God damn, I don't see EK surviving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7cykj0pCg

[cinder lagoon]

Never, and I repeat, never ever buy a display model or b-stock of something with a battery.
Now the Battery in the keyboard base of my Surface book is bulging. I hate it here ._.

[mossy gull]

This can happen even if it was new.
I once bought a powerbank and it started going pregnant in less than 2 days.

[sonic meadow]

And my flatmate has some headphones that have gone spicy pillow after.. only a few months I think

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: Asus messed up the Asus ROG G15 with the 5900HX, that the Ally has a faster CPU

[jade scaffold]

Alphacool now have an SP5 Water Block

YAY at long last

Block:
https://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Alphacool-ES-Jet-LGA-4677-1U_79173.html
SP5 Mount kit:
https://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Alphacool-ES-Mounting-Kit-EPYC-SP5-LGA-6096_81493.html

800w max cooling capacity

[jade scaffold]

Howmany people here are really experienced with liquid cooling? Trying to plan the loop for my pc but not sure how I should go about it

[mossy gull]

I have 1 of those blocks on the bottom of my laptop, that goes to my window where there's a radiator blasting heat out.

I don't know how casual that sounds though

They're soft tubing for now

[timber barn]

IMHO the Watercool blocks are the best (Heatkiller IV)

[cerulean helm]

Holy hardware. This is for the Nexus Mods website.
30 16tb nvme drives. I cannot even begin the think of the cost for that.

[surreal moss]

I’m tempted to look up the cost on the 18 TB drives at work…

[mossy gull]

24TB here costs 600.-

[sacred seal]

That's NVME

[surreal moss]

Just a paltry $650k in storage

[jade scaffold]

You wanna see an expensive drive?

This is how you get 1PB of NVME in 1U

I believe these are about 7000 USD each

[jade scaffold]

Dell be ripping off tbh

[surreal moss]

Yes, Dell do that

[surreal moss]

I'm finding it on CDW for $2k usd

[jade scaffold]

For the E1.L variants?

There's u.3 and E3.s variants

[sacred seal]

2k seems cheap, that's what, 40tbs of consumer drives?

If you were to just buy 20 2tb

[surreal moss]

Oh, that's the 30TB one

[jade scaffold]

Look at this crazy thing tho 1PB of NVME in 1U

[surreal moss]

Absolutely insane

[jade scaffold]

Stuff like this is why hardrives are dying even though data centre SSDs are hugely more expensive

[sacred seal]

How long do you think it will take linus to get one of those?

[jade scaffold]

Probably a while

[surreal moss]

It still takes drives on the backplane

I imagine something like that is still pushing well over $100k

[jade scaffold]

Probably

But for 4x the density of hardrives for less power for a data centre that's probably a fair price to pay

[sacred seal]

Not to mention probably better longevity

And better throughput

[jade scaffold]

These drives there are the "low endurance" type

[sacred seal]

Still, doesn't take much to beat spinning rust

[jade scaffold]

They have some drives that can be be written to continuously at full speed for 5 years straight

[surreal moss]

I doubt you're getting better longevity compared to most other 1U systems

At $100k it wouldn't be worth it for most smaller businesses

[jade scaffold]

That drive there is 0.6 full drive writes per day it's a long term storage solution not a cache

4 Petabytes of total writes per drive on that one

[jade scaffold]

Yea it won't

Most small businesses aren't gonna need a full Petabyte and if they do usually it's fine to do a 72 hardrives 4U server

[sonic meadow]

most smaller businesses will be running one of several things:

• an off the shelf commodity server from the likes of dell/hp/etc for 5-10k
• an off the shelf commodity pc from the same above but for 1-2k
• offsite/cloud

for storage, maybe a rack solution but more likely some kind of off-the-shelf netgear/etc nas

one of those things is basically exclusively big business stuff

or smaller companies with special requirements

[surreal moss]

You're prices are off, but yes

[jade scaffold]

If you want god's most unkillable drive here it is.

148PB of max writes
And super super low latency not quite as low latency as optane but it's getting close to gen 4 optane fast and the drive can be completely written to 50x a day for 5 years it's actually insane

[sonic meadow]

local currency and tech prices 😛

[surreal moss]

What Dell hardware are you getting for less than $14k? 👀

[sonic meadow]

I will admit I havent looked

[surreal moss]

Their prices went up a decent amount in the last 12 months

[sonic meadow]

err, most of them apparently

I filtered by "tower" and all 12 locally available are below 14k, with all but one below 10k (in their base configurations)

[jade scaffold]

Anyway I want one as a boot drive I mean I could maybe also get the actual gen 4 optane too for that price need to check

[sonic meadow]

and that includes one offering below 2k

[jade scaffold]

This here is literally the best SSD ever designed

I don't care that your 990 pro is gen 5 it still gets totally bodied by this optane drive

[sonic meadow]

and apparently their server configurer thing doesnt have limits on the number of ram modules you can add 😆

no wait, it caps at 99

[jade scaffold]

When your mobile ends up looking like this

[sonic meadow]

hmm, yes. I would like 297 ram sticks in my atx system plz

[jade scaffold]

Why are they so expensive good god

400+ USD for udimms?

That should be illegal

[sonic meadow]

nzd. and they are ECC

[jade scaffold]

I don't care

I can get ddr5 ecc RDIMMs for half that price

[sonic meadow]

and first party is always more expensive

[jade scaffold]

Yea it is but that's like borderline extortionate

That being said data centres and ai companies will spend 10 mill USD on a single stack of racks

[sonic meadow]

its comparable to USD prices.
$156
$267
$450
converting to usd

prices oems like dell ask is only indicative of the prices they are asking, nothing else

[jade scaffold]

Oh yea ik

[sacred seal]

I wonder if consumer protection law would cover letting customers order a config that is physically impossible

[jade scaffold]

It's still awful

[sonic meadow]

remember that you arent just paying for the hardware/software, you are paying for the system and support

[sonic meadow]

it does actually have a box above when you do silly configs

[surreal moss]

Your rep would call and ask "Shadow... whatcha doin?"

[sonic meadow]

and then if I stick too many modules in it says you have reached the max
still disapointed its a verification step and not a hard limitation on the tool

[cerulean helm]

A super computer is for sale on auction. It only costs 55k a month to power it based on energy prices in the state of Virginia for example.

[surreal moss]

Only $3k for the current bid!!!

Wait who the fuck put a super computer in Cheyenne Wyoming?!

operated for seven years as one of the world’s most powerful and energy-efficient computers from 2017 to 2024

That $55k energy cost is a bargain

[cerulean helm]

U.S gov is selling it, as its damaged and the extensive maintenance isn't worth it. Its lost 1% of its cpu cores from water cooling couplers failing.

Be buying it for parts really. The ECC memory is like worth more than half a million USD.

[jade scaffold]

And all.the functioning mobos and CPUs too

[mossy gull]

This made me laugh, thank you Reddit

[cinder lagoon]

Which part specifically?
I'm seeing multiple weird thing lol

[mossy gull]

The fan doesn't properly fit, the heatsink is wider than the fan, there's only 1 fan instead of 2.

[sonic meadow]

looks like a solution for a low/mid tdp sku for that chassis

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh yes what I also find curious is the USB daughterboard, the AUX cable that doesn't attach to the daughterboard but the way further away mobo, the lack of a second fan header entirely

[sonic meadow]

the fan header exists, but is unpopulated. right next to the wifi card

[cinder lagoon]

Thats what I meant by that

[sonic meadow]

usb daughterboards like that arent uncommon

the header isnt needed, but the pads are part of the motherboard. so why populate it with a plug/socket? saves money

[cinder lagoon]

Is it really that much cheaper to use two headers and a cable than just continuing the PCB over there?

[sonic meadow]

probably
the board would need to be substantially bigger, which would mean they can fit less on a pcb blank.

[sacred seal]

I would also guess the daughterboard is fewer layers

[sonic meadow]

especially when you consider that by rotating a second board 180 degrees you could fit two in a space only about 50% bigger (longer, in the direction of the usb ports) than one

[cerulean helm]

So, Discord keeps crashing on me. Either it reboots on its own or I have to manually releaunch it. Been going on for a couple weeks now. Any ideas?

[cinder lagoon]

Nuke it, then reinstall.

[cerulean helm]

Interesting, uninstalled and reinstalled and it auto logged in.

[mossy gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XiEM57ifX54

[cerulean helm]

And it still crashes.... gg Discord.

Ah, the uninstall didn't clear the cache and local storage in AppData. Bet that will fix it.

[mossy gull]

Storage Sense can remove that junk😃

[cinder lagoon]

It does that - uninstall doesn't delete the session token in LocalAppdata.
What I meant by nuking was also deleting that stuff

[cinder lagoon]

Which program was that?
Shame that practically all programs of the iobit uninstaller kind are literally malware atp

[mossy gull]

Storage Sense is build into Windows 10 and 11

[cinder lagoon]

Wait you mean the "storage" menu in settings?

The one that list temporary files and some specific file types alongside apps?

For sure that one doesn't clean up the LocalAppData folder!

[mossy gull]

It does clean some of it, I am sure of it.

And yes, it is called Storage Sense.
I can delete nearly all temporary files.

[cinder lagoon]

Aha!

LocalAppData is not a temporary folder, it just contains the %temp% folder!

Actually some programs install exclusively into LocalAppData

[olive fiber]

Well, given the splurg of new displays on the market.. I'm once again looking for a new monitor

So, anyone have thoughts? I have a 5k x 2k, which I like the form factor of, but it's not required. I do want HDR and P3 color space (sometimes I need to look at 10bit color stuff and be able to see those gamuts), and I need downstream power to the laptop. I've had issues with artifacts on OLED displays, but that might be somethign I can work around, but I get real annoyed by the auto dimming.

[mossy gull]

There's a Windows Setting and monitor settings to disable auto dimming 😃

The windows setting I learned from my time with my Surface Book 2

[surreal moss]

4k

[mossy gull]

8K sounds cooler

Fuck that
https://youtu.be/Toft6fMvByA

[olive fiber]

Uhm, it's built in to the OLED panels, not something windows can control ;p

Delll has a new version of my display, basically. It's real expensive though, and mine was kinda lame when it comes to brightness and color gamut.

For the cost, at least

[mossy gull]

Then I don't know, I have 2 LG 45GR95QE and a service remote.
So I turned it off

[olive fiber]

The new one has HDR, but ewviews didn't sound very glowing

[mossy gull]

All OLED are HDR,

But I wouldn't expect good HDR on majority of LCD monitors

[olive fiber]

Yeah, tjhat's the conundrum

I like my OLED.. I have an LG cx

[mossy gull]

I got the C1 as a TV😃
Great display.

There's these days the C series in 42"

[olive fiber]

Yeah, I think mine's a 42.. maybe 48?

[mossy gull]

48", the CX was as small as 48"

[olive fiber]

I did get my remote thingy, need to see how it looks now

[mossy gull]

I need a new laptop........
I finally found out why my laptop stutters massively in Dragon's Dogma 2, my VRAM is at 100% 🤣

Only when my displays are connected though

[mossy gull]

There should be 2 menu buttons on it, or well there is on mine

[olive fiber]

I'll have to take a look again later.. I think I got it set up right, according to instructions. But not tested it yet

[timber barn]

Oh noes https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2024/04/billions-of-scraped-discord-messages-up-for-sale

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's been happening there's bots you can get to try filter out the scraping accounts

[cinder lagoon]

The AIs are finally gonna talk in in uwu and *bark* only

[balmy flicker]

is this going to be better than reddit?

[cinder lagoon]

Define >better<

Btw thats why you never put any login credentials in servers. Private message at worst.

[cinder lagoon]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/4196868529806518741?l=english
thoughts on sony requiring the gamedevs to make playstation network account linking mandatory to play the game?
Big nope from me.
Just out of principle, wouldn't do it if I already had a psn account or playstation.

• There is no toxicity/griefing or cheating problem apart from a handful of outliers.
• There is no security benefit to linking a psn account.
• This does not enable banning of players that couldn't be done via VAC or other means.
• Linking the accounts does not, in any way, hold any value to players except those with cross-platform friends
  Concluding: sony wants the players data (🤑) and has basically altered the effective contract of purchase after the game cannot be refunded anymore.

[jade scaffold]

well they didnt alter the contract of purchase

they already said they were going to have PSN intergreation its just the servers were so shagged in the beginning they coudldnt actually make it work so they temporarilly post poned it

[cinder lagoon]

They did already offer account linking for like a month at least and technically the contract (be honest, nobody reads them - I even skipped thru it a bit) wasn't altered but they are now restricting access after they were not

Over 10% of the playerbase (or online playercount at least) already left a bad review because of this and it's not even in action yet

[sacred seal]

In a way I find this terribly ironic. Steam is always touted as this ethical bastion, but one of the reasons it is popular in the first place is because it did this exact same thing with the original counterstrike

[mossy gull]

I am gonna be honest, with how Asus deals with laptop quality control, I rather get an Alienware.
Asus uses cheap ass liquid metal and only copper plated aluminium heatsinks.

At least Dell uses normal thermal paste on their laptops.

[cinder lagoon]

Didnt know that - now however steam is accepting refunds for the game even at 100hrs or so

[balmy flicker]

the real question is weather this was a big enough goof for vlave to box sony's ears

they did not implement proper region locking and then turned off PSN implementation to reduce server requirements

[sonic meadow]

I think I found my next PC upgrade

[cinder lagoon]

Compelling offer

[sacred seal]

I hope this is a joke and not legitimately someone trying to do a scam

I don't know who would be dumber, the scammer or the person who fell for it

[sacred seal]

Seems like the gamers won, PS is reversing course about requiring an account to play helldivers

[cinder lagoon]

Sonys idea of the year

[mossy gull]

I did a dumb move, I ordered the AyaNeo Flip DS

@jade scaffold please tell my I am the dumbest person on Terra

[jade scaffold]

i very almost bought myself either a steam deck or the Pocket S

[mossy gull]

So I am not the dumbest person on Terra?

[mossy gull]

I wanted the Legion Go at 1st, but the 32GB RAM and the Oculink on the Flip DS sold me over the Legion Go.
I know from the Flip DS on the 16GB model you can reserve like 8GB to the GPU alone, so I expect like 16GB on the 32GB variant, if not, 8GB is still a ton.

[jade scaffold]

For an I GPU 8gb is pretty much totally overkill

[mossy gull]

Nothing is truly overkill.
Dragon's Dogma 2 already uses 7GB VRAM in lowest settings.

[jade scaffold]

Depending on res

At 720p it won't

[mossy gull]

That's on 1080p, it goes past 7GB in 1440p

[jade scaffold]

And modern AAA games dont fare amazingly on the built in gpu on the 8840u

[mossy gull]

I still wanna try to play Dragon's Dogma 2 when I get the Flip DS😅

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's a real nifty machine

[mossy gull]

https://www.ifixit.com/News/95078/lpcamm2-memory-is-finally-here?

[sonic meadow]

neat

[frozen igloo]

Anyone know why windows keeps reverting my files to read only? I uncheck it with a admin account and it reverts back immediately

[mossy gull]

It depends what program uses those files

[frozen igloo]

It’s all premiere pro, it’s doing it on a computer without premiere installed though

[mossy gull]

Nice, then I don't know

[cerulean helm]

Oi, this is getting just pathetic from Intel.

[mossy gull]

This is why I am avoiding Intel at all cost since 8th gen

[mossy gull]

Not only do they remove features from older CPUs and pretend it was never a feature, they also try to blame the other party for their own mistakes.

[sacred seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pMrssIrKcY&ab_channel=GamersNexus It's amazing how far asus has fallen

[cerulean helm]

I have yet to see any major pc parts company outside of EVGA do the right thing. I had a major row with MSI a couple years ago when they tried to screw me over on a GPU that was in warranty and had died.
Currently running an Asus motherboard, fingers crossed that I don't have any issues.

[sacred seal]

It depends on the product somewhat I think. I personally have had good luck dealing with gygabyte and MSI

And corsair

[coarse hound]

Anyone know how one would go about replacing the fan on a graphics card? The card itself seems to run fine, but the fan stopped spinning (vacuumed it out already but wasn't too dusty) and now depending on the game I have to have an external fan blowing into the case to keep it from getting hot.

[sacred seal]

Depends on the GPU, but normally its fairly straight forward. Take the heatsink/ cover off, unplugg the fan, remove the fan, replace the fan, put everything back together

[coarse hound]

Ok. I'll have to take another look at it, but the way the cover is designed I'm not sure how to get to the screws to begin with. Helpful to know that's a common enough thing though.

[sacred seal]

What model?

[coarse hound]

GeForce RTX 3060

[mossy gull]

And the region, Gigabyte and MSI belong to the worst companies here.
And contacting is usually a waste of time.

[cinder lagoon]

What manufacturer?
And if it's still in warranty go that route before doing anything!
If you want to open it up tho you can try the following:

1. Look at the top side (the where the fans are visible) and try to find 3 screws per fan behind their blades.
2. Remove the screws of the broken fan.
3. Carefully lift it out. It is still attached via cable. Try to find out where the cable is coming from. If it's going to the other fan you'll have to replace both of them or solder/crimp some new wires.
4. Locate the fan connector on the PCB of the GPU. It's white and probably visible from one of the sides. If it's hidden you'll have to take off the plastic shroud and/or the heatsink

The heatsink is held on by four screws from the rear side. They are often visible through the back plate, which is attached via about 8 screws.

[jade scaffold]

Noctua are based

noctua cooler 20 years old? still honour warentee will still ship you new mounting hardware for it

[cinder lagoon]

That USB DAC has arrived but I'm unsure if it has a problem:
It's recogized by the Pi alright but it has a pretty audible consistent buzzing noise when I hook it up to my PC input (which normally relays audio from my laptop with no problem)
I heard that the cause of such thing can be using different power sources and I suspect my current Pi PSU is to blame. What do you guys think?

All components in my setup are hooked up to the same outlet via a power bar tho the rPi sits behind a 19V laptop power brick which is converted to 12V by a really cheap module.

At the beginning I put the Pi on a full-core load, after that It was idle. Following that I changed the Pi system volume.
Then there were more noticable changes once I quit the game I was playing on my PC... You can also hear when I move the mouse on my main pc for some reason

[cinder lagoon]

... after looking at the file in audacity the spikes occur at ~26Hz, the background noise without the game is 150Hz (close to the refreshrate of my monitor, huhh) and then there's the digital noise while moving the mouse...
I suspect the noise will go away once actually in the car...

[cosmic wharf]

does anyone know why a random desktop shortcut appeared today which is undeletable and it opens microsoft bing image search with some random stock image? (hovering mouse over it says the usual stock image things like iStock, Gettyimages plus etc, ive never used any)

right clicking it doesnt give any regular options and i cant delete it with the usual ways.
only get 4 options with right click: open, next image, like or dislike.

wtf? ive never seen this in my life and searching online doesnt seem to yield any help.

The name of the shortcut simply says: "Additional information about this tool" roughly translated. How do i delete it? i dont want some random shortcuts on my desktop. virus scans cant find anything either.

[cinder lagoon]

Are you on windows 11?

Pretty sure its some part of windows' "viewpoint" daily background image thingy. Can you share a screenshot of it?

[cosmic wharf]

windows 10

there hasnt been a windows update either so that doesnt explain it.

no delete options but it functions like a shortcut would.

[cinder lagoon]

Some of that stuff came with an edge update

Can you share the shortcut by dragging it in discord please?

Also have you tried selecting it and hitting the DEL key?

[cosmic wharf]

ive tried everything basic.

dragging to trashbin doesnt work either

[cinder lagoon]

Screenshot of the right click menu?

Actually can't find any information about viewpoint desktop icons

[cosmic wharf]

its in finnish. 😛
only 4 options: open, next image, i like this image, i dont like this image.

[cinder lagoon]

Does your background image automatically change?

So I couldn't find anything online but it's part of windows viewpoint:

[cosmic wharf]

oh i see, i was using wallpaper engine so couldnt see the wallpaper under it.

[cinder lagoon]

Yes

[cosmic wharf]

how do i delete this garbage. i miss my default windows wallpaper underneath the moving ones.

[cinder lagoon]

Just go into settings > personalisation > themes and choose the first or second one, that would be light or dark mode in this case

[cosmic wharf]

i think i fixed it. pain in the butt to troubleshoot in finnish when its easier to find english help.

[cinder lagoon]

Same here - always english UI for me ^^

[cosmic wharf]

settings - themes - background and i picked the regular blue. the whole shortcut disappeared.

i never authorized this windows. 👺
bad windows, bad. making me have heart attack about a virus.

Thanks for the help. its annoying when things change and theres no obvious reason to why it changed.

[cinder lagoon]

Back to regular scheduling ↖️

[cerulean helm]

Interesting, Intel looks to be ditching hyperthreading for the next cpu launch.

[mossy gull]

Probably because they can't build a hybrid CPU where all cores have hyper threading 🙃

Or a CPU that doesn't go unstable the faster it runs

Intel CPU division: Our CPU can run at 250w with a boost of 6.1 GHz
Customers, Motherboard manufacters and GPU manufacturers: No it can't
Intel: I'll blame you motherboard manufacturers

[sacred seal]

Audio stuff can be very sensitive. If I put my phone on my headphone cable I can actually hear it, and it sounds somewhat similar to what you are getting. Depending on how its wired I would look at shielded cables (Or just wrap it in tinfoil)

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm I didn't think to check where the cable from the DAC to my Mobo runs, currently there's some parallel sections along the USB hub my mouse is plugged into...
HOWEVER it's the same run from my laptop to the Mobo tho and there is no buzzing from that.
Maybe because it's the two-stage PSU situation I have going on where the pi is actually getting cleaner power than the stuff plugged into the power strip directly..

I hope it'll be fine with a constant voltage PSU with a couple extra-caps for smoothing

[sacred seal]

I don't know if that would affect a USB dac as that is digital, but yea any time you are mixing power levels with an analog system it turns into a mess

[cinder lagoon]

Well the USB power comes from the pi which gets it form the converter which in turn gets it from the laptop brick, which gets it from the power bar

[mossy gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_NKrTefNdmQ

The tech community is like these robots

[jade scaffold]

Okey so I was getting excited at Blackwell with some people and we decided to do some rough math to lowball the max performance GPU NVidia could produce next gen if they really wanted

If they wanted a gaming GPU that was the biggest they could produce this year a GPU with 3.5x the raw raster performance of the 4090

Which is actual insanity

[cinder lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/rtx-5090-meme-5090-rtx-invidia-gif-6689325471547939712

Totally agree. Unless they can vastly improve efficiency that's not gonna happen. Unless the cooling solution looks like this and uses sub-ambient

And about the same power as a microwave

[sonic meadow]

maybe if they stopped pushing them to twice the tdp for an extra 5-10% peformance... the cards/chips are stupidly efficient, they just push them well out of the efficiency range

[mossy gull]

That seems pretty normal these days and blame other manufacturers when it goes wrong, not calling names Intel.

[jade scaffold]

Nvidia when their gpus can run at 100w less than their rated tdp and some how run faster

[jade scaffold]

Its possible to do 900w at reasonable volumes in 4 slot

So it's possible but I doubt NVidias super fancy multi chip tech is making it into consumer cards this gen

Still tho if they wanted to they could do a dual die gaming GPU

I hope AMD do some kind of super high end card that can compete with the 5090 even though they said they wouldn't holding that performance crown does alot for selling lower end chips rx7000 despite hardware and software were good was a failure in the sense of taking market cap

[jade scaffold]

The really weird things about Nvidia cards too is they pretty much never hit that max tdp they are rated for

[mossy gull]

Why do manufacturers near always overclock and overvolt?
I really don't fucking get it.

For example, my laptop has a 5900HX overclocked, but it runs faster with turbo disabled all together.

It's more efficient, consumes less power, and it's faster.

So why not do that natively from the factory.....

[mossy gull]

From what I heard is that AMD cancelled the high end because of the cost, because they believe they can't sell a card costing 3000.-

[jade scaffold]

And even if they did try Nvidia would probably retaliate with a dual gb202 die which amd just wouldn't have an answer for

Even a multi chiplet mi 300 style GPU for rx8000 might only go toe to toe with a 5090 the 5090 was designed with a multi chiplet 8900xtx in mind

[mossy gull]

If they can though.
So far PSUs only have a single 12-pin, they don't have 2 of them.

[jade scaffold]

A psu rated for 1600w would probs have 2

Which is probably what you'd need

[mossy gull]

They have been redesigning their GPUs to better work with AI and ray/path tracing.

Thats why AMD is scared to release a top end card that may or may not work properly.

[jade scaffold]

Unless theyd gimp the power down to 650w or something

Sadly amd dont nearly have the budget to develop like NVidia do

[mossy gull]

This is the Seasonic Prime TX-1600 back

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's fine

It's got pcie power

[mossy gull]

I heard Nvidia wants to configure their cards so they won't work without 12-pin and only accept 12-pin natively.
I don't know if it's true.
My brother told me that.

[jade scaffold]

No they dont

They want to transition all their gpus to be 12 pins only us what they want to do

[mossy gull]

My brother is a die hard Nvidia fanboy😅
I just dislike Nvidia's attitude and software, reason I am not using them currently.

[jade scaffold]

You can't block a pcie power cable from working with a 12 pin adapter

[mossy gull]

If they can, people will find away around 😅

[jade scaffold]

You technically can

[mossy gull]

We'll never know, so far AMD has been pretty secretive, only rumours say that AMD won't release a top-end, that doesn't mean AMD actually won't.

So I am just sitting here observing from the side-lines.

Like those rumours that say the 5090 is twice as powerful as the 4090.
Which I personally don't believe unless I see.

[jade scaffold]

But A illegal in the EU
B requires programming to do for 0 economic benefit
C you could make an adaptor that would make all that effort void in the first place

[jade scaffold]

We know it's cores and clock speed

Id be pretty amazed if they managed 2x

1.7x should be about how much faster it is

[mossy gull]

From what I learned with CPUs, those don't mean shite.

[jade scaffold]

They do tho

[mossy gull]

I 1st have to see, they all throw around numbers, like Apple apparently beating the 4090 which it didn't, Intel being 2.5 times faster than AMD, which it wasn't and so on.

[jade scaffold]

Apple beat the 4090 on technicality in some tests

That's why that rumor popped up

Wasn't false but it was a task the M2/3 what ever was specifically engineered to do

Yea no I do expect a 1.7x performance Increase tho

1.7x only considers cores and clock speeds the cores ipc wise will either be identical or higher then it has waaay more cache and way more memory bandwidth

2x is possible but I'm guessing 1.7 maybe 1.8 if we are lucky

[mossy gull]

I hope, but I want to see 1st.
Not gonna buy a 5090 on launch, my brother might, lets hope it isn't a PCIe 5 card, or else I have to find a PCIe 5 riser😅
Was already hard enough to find a 4.0 when the 4090 released.

[jade scaffold]

Yea I'm nabbing a 5090 at launch unless they make a dual GPU gpu in which case I want my hands on that tech it'd be so much fun for overclocking

[mossy gull]

I doubt Nvidia would make a dual-GPU, I think they go the Intel route with Bigger is Better 😅

[jade scaffold]

They literally can't

Tsmcs machines are not physically capable of producing GPU dies bigger than what the 5090 will use

[mossy gull]

It wouldn't be useful unless their drivers or BIOS can tell a game it's 1 GPU

The exact same problem AMD is walking against

Games don't support 2 GPUs, and it was Nvidia who got rid of multi-GPU support for consumers

[jade scaffold]

It would

NVidias multi GPU tech doesn't separate the 2 dies

As far as the gpu is concerned Die A and Die B are quite literally 1 die

[mossy gull]

1st I have to see, but I think it'll just be a monolithic GPU

[jade scaffold]

The interconnect is so fast they can share L2 cache with no performance loss

[jade scaffold]

The 90 will be yea

Everything under it too

If they make a GPU above it like a titan they COULD do a multi die one or just a 90 die with the missing 2k cores restored and fancy drivers which is also very much possible and honestly more likely if they do a titan

But if they do a dual die GPU titan I'm getting that over the 90 otherwise I'm getting the 90 tho

[mossy gull]

If they ever bring the Titan back, I am still sad the Quadro naming has been gone, Quadro sounds cool

Like I love shopping for the RTX A6000, because it's not 1 generation of card.
It's a Titan XP and Xp effect

A nearby shop sells 2 RTX A6000, but from 2 generations 😅

And both from PNY, which doesn't help either

[jade scaffold]

Yea they are both called A2000 because one gen is Ampere and one is Ada Lovelace

You know what would have solved this confusing naming scheme

Calling the Lovelace ones L2000

Like they did for the Tesla's

Atleast next gen quadros will be called B1000 I think

[mossy gull]

Yes, just change the 1st letter instead of keeping the same name, just different specs

[jade scaffold]

I think they are both called A ATM just because that's the names of the generations

[mossy gull]

For me, as long Nvidia doesn't release a driver I don't have to log-in for and has everything in 1 package, also Nvidia, please give us different colour profiles per program like AMD.

I literally have to download a Reshade or use your janky and performance impact tools just to get custom colour profiles in games, something AMD has been supporting natively no problem.

[jade scaffold]

You don't need a login for drivers

They are slowly transitioning most of the control panel into NVidia app

Studio drivers are now available through the app

[mossy gull]

I still only can find the old drivers that you need to login for

[jade scaffold]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/software/nvidia-app/

[mossy gull]

Still, the custom colour profiles are still not a thing, something I love about AMD drivers.
I don't know need a reshade to make it look the way I want, I just open AMD Software, go to my game and change the colour settings, I even can make it very pixelated😃

[jade scaffold]

They might have custom colours in there

Not sure

Haven't checked

They have pretty much all the options for programs from the control panel

[mossy gull]

Which basically means no custom colour profiles 😐

[jade scaffold]

Yea

I'm not seeing any colour options searching online for in the app either

[mossy gull]

Big sad

[jade scaffold]

Hopefully it'll get a big update when Blackwell drops

I need to make sure I have enough money saved up for next gen

Also Nvidia might be making a arm soc for desktop

[mossy gull]

I heard about that, but I wonder if AMD will follow on that as well

[jade scaffold]

Honestly I doubt it

AMD have 0 experience with arm

And why pay 2 CPU architecture licenses when you can just pay for the one

I think if they go for a high efficiency apu they'll go with zen 5C

Which I'm so down for

[mossy gull]

I mean
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-and-nvidia-to-develop-arm-cpus-for-client-pcs-report

[jade scaffold]

Huh

Why

They are gonna get boddied

Nvidia have Luke 15 years if experience with arm apple build their own os so they can build vorg arround eachother and besides they've had like 10 years of smart phone processor building

Then Qualcomm is Qualcomm

[mossy gull]

Who knows, maybe AMD will kick ass

For years they were behind Intel with their Excavator and Bulldozer CPUs.
Now for a while have been kicking Intel's ass.

From my years with aerospace, sometimes a fresh look into things will make things better

[jade scaffold]

It took amd ages to catch up

They were behind all the way till zen 2

Where they matched intel

Then surpassed them with zen 3

[mossy gull]

Exactly, so maybe they are having a catchup now, and will surpass in the 4th gen GPUs

[jade scaffold]

Yea but the thing is they were experienced with x86

Bulldozer wasn't them being bad at making cpus it was them ripping people off

[mossy gull]

AMD makes SOCs for cars though

[jade scaffold]

They make FPGAs

Not the same thing in the slightest

They have general purpose arm cores but they aren't comparable to that most phones even have never mind a desktop

[mossy gull]

Then why do they call it an Adaptive SoC?

[jade scaffold]

Because that's what an adaptive soc is

An FPGA is an adaptive SOC

[mossy gull]

😐

Confusing

Still AMD makes SOCs😅

[jade scaffold]

Pretty much ever CPU around is an SOC

[mossy gull]

I still think AMD can make 1 huge leap into the SoC space.
Even though Nvidia is years ahead, doesn't mean they excel at it.
In the automotive market AMD and ARM are both dominant.

I haven't heard of any car with an Nvidia SoC

[jade scaffold]

AMD are trounced by Nvidia in auto market

And the embedded robotics

[mossy gull]

I never seen an Nvidia SoC in a car though

Mercedes, Subaru, Kia & Tesla I know that use AMD chips.

[jade scaffold]

Tesla dont use AMD

They may prototype on AMDs fpgas

They dint use their chips

Actually in the cars

Ya know because FPGAs cost like as much as the cars do

Infact

This one here uses an Nvidia soc

Because self driving is reliant on AI and amds chips are objectively just not even close to as good as NVidias at AI

Also mercedes also use Nvidia chips

[mossy gull]

Okay, I should say Daimler uses AMD last time I checked, and Daimler for us is same as Mercedes, and everywhere I looked, Tesla uses AMD chips, unless thats wrong though.

[jade scaffold]

Tesla maybe used AMDs FPGAs

you WOULDNT USE AN FPGA IN A CAR THO

thats not what they are for

an FPGA is for prototyping a chip you are planning on building

which they may have used AMDs FPGAs for that bacause AMDs FPGAs are really good

[jade scaffold]

also this is an NVidia chip activly being used by tesla

thats definatly an older pic

but they use their own stuff now i believe

unless they are using Orin which is honestly possible

[mossy gull]

The reports I read were from 2021, and were in the Model S, X and Y, nothing about the 3 which is weird

😅

So yeah

[jade scaffold]

Yea All of teslas cars use their own SOCs

not amds

they actually seemingly never have

Some FPGAs are activly used in cars

but all of AMDs FPGAs would account for over half the cost of most teslas

[mossy gull]

Is this why cars are so stupidly overprices for what they give?

[surreal moss]

Daimler and Mercedes are different companies. More so after they split

[jade scaffold]

no because the rest of a tesla already costs alot anyway using a Development FPGA for a car is dumb

it runs HBM memory and it will chug hundreds of w of power which you just Dont want

[mossy gull]

And still if I look up Daimler I get tons of Mercedes

[jade scaffold]

when a purposed built SOC can do what you want but better for 15w

[surreal moss]

Don’t know what you’re looking up but that divorce was ugly

[jade scaffold]

Sofar AMDs biggest contribution to Cars i can find is driver monitorying and in cabin monitoring systems

this is the only FPGA design from amd i can find thats designed for Self driving cars

[mossy gull]

Just Daimler.
I get a lovely history where they got renamed Mercedes-Benz Group in 2022, before they were named Daimler AG.

[jade scaffold]

its a basic Arm processor with an FPGA on it which amd call an Adaptive SOC even though its basically just every modern developement FPGA ever to exsist ever

[surreal moss]

That was when they split

[mossy gull]

This is the website I get when I look up Daimler😅
https://group.mercedes-benz.com/en/

Oh and they advertise the Mercedes-Benz Vito and E-class

[mossy gull]

Confusing😐

[jade scaffold]

i mean theres also the Versal FPGAs but like thoes are AI Edge chips

not self driving they have HBM VERY VERY power hungry

[mossy gull]

Well, last time I checked with people who hate EV's that ICE have "near unlimited electricity"😃

Why the fuck doesnt Nvidia have 48GB VRAM cards through Lenovo

[jade scaffold]

spite?

its lenovo

techniacly a chinese company i believe though they should still be able to sell to them

[mossy gull]

You want me to look at HP?

[jade scaffold]

i mean they are american

[mossy gull]

I don't really care about that.
It's like getting spied on by either the US or China, doesn't make a difference to me😐

[jade scaffold]

ye but to NVidia

they arent allowed to sell GPUs above a certain calibure to chinese companies

Lenovo is a chinese company though usually they are exempt from US Restrictions

[mossy gull]

Well, Lenovo can get the 96-core Threadripper, Intel can get a "24-core" i9-13900 here in the Netherlands 😅

Even Dell has the same options as Lenovo

[jade scaffold]

Yea core count isn't particularly important for AI tho

Atleast not on the scale of ai you can do with a 4090

However the restrictions are dumb because I can buy 8 V100s and a SXM3 board for the price of your average aib 4090 and they would trounce a 4090 in ai

[mossy gull]

Maybe it has to do with software compatibility.
I know for Maya3D I can use 2 GPUs simultaneously when they aren't in any kinda Crossfire like pair.
But that's the max so far I know

[cinder lagoon]

Neat feature I just found out about:
Windows "User experience virtualization":
Used in managed systems to transfer Application settings etc between windows installs / devices.
Part of the windows SDK, allows to define file and registry locations that contain application settings. Does not save the settings themselves.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/ue-v/uev-getting-started

Another new feature:
Windows "Application Virtualization":
Used to define Application Bundles using installers and application default config files. pretty useful when mass-setting up PCs or frequently (re-)installing windows
Also part of the windows SDK.

[cinder lagoon]

... given that everything now is AI - why hasn't anyone made an AI yet that constantly analyzes your actions somehow and remembers where you put everything!?
I need an inventory and catalogueing AI ASAP.

Like one of those stupid chatGPT camera pins that go on your shirt but with actualy function lol

[sacred seal]

Context size

I wonder if you could get that working with 4o

[surreal moss]

Google Glass but AI Glass

[cinder lagoon]

Not storing th data in a language model... using AI to figure out where you put it (and whats near it), storing that in a db, then using AI to smartly access said DB

[sacred seal]

I actually have played around with that a bit, AI's suck with serializing data.

[cinder lagoon]

Ahhh

[sacred seal]

When you give it an object, it tends to classify it differently every time

[cinder lagoon]

I think the approach of a model summarizing what it sees, taking focus on things in your hand for example and then one model that translates those summaries into serializable data or SQL statements

[surreal moss]

You’d want some kind identifier on the object

[sacred seal]

Say a basket ball. It could do ball, sphere, sports equiptment, ect

[cinder lagoon]

Hmmm I see

All of those are correct tho so you'd need a model that searches your storage for keywords similar to the thing you said and you'd still get results?

[sacred seal]

Hence the context limit

Or just a shit tone of querries

[cinder lagoon]

That is true but I would assume that the storage is meant for a single user only (on a local server for example)

[sacred seal]

Most of the AI's you can reasonably run on your own hardware cap out at 4k context

[surreal moss]

That’s why you buy the Cheyenne 😉

[sacred seal]

There are a few specialty models kicking around, but they tend to be not as smart

Llama 3 8b may be able to work, that has a 8k context

Still, I'm thinking you would probably need one of those 100k models to get it working relyably

But with how fast AI is advancing, I would not be surprised if we have that in a year or two

[halcyon mist]

so is this where I ask for tech help or should I make a new post?

[sacred seal]

You are more likely to get an answer if you ask here

[cinder lagoon]

But if the problem seems more complicated (or of multiple problems), a separate thread might be useful actually

[cinder lagoon]

Guys, given the same price, should I rather choose the USB 4 cable or the thunderbolt 4 cable from anker?
I want a cable that can do ALL things and I can't really find information what the difference between the two is apart from different minimum requirements (which both cables surpass).

[mossy gull]

The USB-C 4 is compatible with more devices

[cinder lagoon]

Because it appears I don't have a single display-capable type-c cable at home

[cinder lagoon]

Aha!

Thats the one I'll go for then

[sonic meadow]

it also claims higher power transfer capability

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh jeez somehow didnt notice that lol

[mossy gull]

USB-C 4 can go up to 240w I believe.

Oh wait, visible in the specs🤣

[sonic meadow]

yes, and the usb 4 cable says that, while the thunderbolt one says 100w 😛

[cinder lagoon]

(not that there are any devices that support that yet)

[mossy gull]

It's nice to have, funny enough China has certified chargers that can output 180w😅

[sonic meadow]

certified to what, burn?

[cinder lagoon]

Jeez... yeah I was looking into breakout boards of the power and there were literally NONE above 100W (there were some 120W or something but pretty sure they just overdrove, cuz thats not a viable spec)

[mossy gull]

In order for a charger or phone with charger to be sold in EU, they have to be certified.

[cinder lagoon]

Yea the EC certification or sum

[mossy gull]

Yep

CE

[sonic meadow]

ah yes, one of those things that gets faked by chinese sellers continuously 😆

[cinder lagoon]

Can go on CE website and check tho

Works similar to 80+ certification

(I think at this point we kinda also need a 90+ certification)

[mossy gull]

They do get faked, but you always can check.
The thing is these certified chargers come from companies like Xiaomi(Chinese Samsung).
So if they don't properly certify their stuff and it does go wrong they can lose a massive market.
Xiaomi is pretty popular in EU.

[cinder lagoon]

They make some good shit (dont know about the cars tho xD)

[mossy gull]

It's their 1st car, so we'll have to see.
But Chinese work more together than the West, so Xiaomi easily can ask BYD or Xpeng, who have years of experience.

[cinder lagoon]

That is true

[mossy gull]

But I doubt Xiaomi is gonna do that, at least they learn from most of their mistakes unlike a certain company I am not gonna name Apple

[cinder lagoon]

I just heard from edison motors (american electric truck retrofit company) that they asked a MAN and a DAF for a factory tour, both absolutely disagreed cuz competition.
Then they asked a chinese company and they were like "absolutely! Please come and look how we do things, just if you find any improvements, please share them with us!"

[mossy gull]

I heard about that, and yeah, the West is all about competition, while I understand competition is good, there's times it isn't.

Take a look at Tesla, a company that wants cooperation, they made their blueprints public.
Who uses them, the Chinese, who doesn't use them, the West, because they all want to make their own platform the best and all pretty much fail at it.

Ofcoarse I don't like how Chinese has spyware on their devices, but the US does the exact same thing, just less in the open.

I do like that China works more together with a common goal and the west fails at almost everything.

[cinder lagoon]

Absolutely. All modern western cars have spyware on them that even share a whole lot of sensitive data with insurance companies which in turn not only deny customers insure but they also charge existing customers more based on secretly shared information, absolutely horrendous

Alright alright thganks for the advise!

[mossy gull]

Anytime.

[surreal moss]

Edison is Canadian

[cinder lagoon]

ahh kinda makes sense

point still stands tho

[surreal moss]

For sure. I’m toying with preordering one of their pickup conversion kits

[cinder lagoon]

It's intriguing for sure

What kinda chargers do they support? Not tesla, right?

[surreal moss]

I don’t think they support exterior chargers. They’re self sufficient from a built in diesel generator

[cinder lagoon]

Ahhh huh I thought they had that hybrid approach goin on+

[surreal moss]

Nope. Not a hybrid drive train. Essentially HEVs

[cinder lagoon]

thought like not only better efficiency by regen braking but also first X kilometres without fuel

[surreal moss]

The axles are electric and powered by the battery system or the generator. The diesel doesn’t have any direct connection to the road. Last I checked they have 3 modes you can set for power. No generator, generator only, and automatic mode where the generator recharges the batteries and the batteries drive the axles.

[cinder lagoon]

Alrighty, I guess that way they can run the generator at maximum efficiency, so even then lower fuel consumption

[surreal moss]

Definitely take a look at their YouTube account. Tons of good info on what they’re doing there

[cinder lagoon]

Seen a couple tiktoks of em, seemed pretty neat

[mossy gull]

You mean PHEV?

HEV is just a hybrid

[sonic meadow]

there are several ways of doing hybrid drive-trains. by that they might have been meaning that it doesnt use the engine to power the wheels, using the electric motor as a boost (like some hybrids do)

[surreal moss]

Without the P

Typically Hybrid is referring to the transmission. The Prius for example is a hybrid like Gruzzob described and doesn’t normally have a charging port to plug into. PHEVs or Plugin Hybrid Electric Vehicles have a plug and typically are an electric drive train with a generator on board like the Mazda MX-30. To my knowledge what Edison is building is essentially a PHEV without the plug in

[mossy gull]

HEVs come in 2 flavours, 1 with the gearbox like the Prius, and a dual drive train like the Bentley Bentayga where 1 motor propelles the front wheels and the other the rear wheels.

Or well, in the Netherlands both are under the HEV naming scheme😅

That's why I asked if you meant that you meant PHEV, or basically an EV with a generator.

[surreal moss]

We’re just arguing semantics at this point

[mossy gull]

Ah okay

And then there's me, figuring out if I can make my Mirai into a PHEV and still use hydrogen as a generator 😅

[dim forge]

potentailly dumb question but why does the epic games laucher download at 1/10th the speed task manger says it should be doing?

[balmy flicker]

differnt dumb question can you side load epic games onto a steam deck and what about other non steam games that have linux versions

[mossy gull]

Look at the Letters.
Epic Launcher probably shows in MegaBytes, and Taskmanager in MegaBits.

[sonic meadow]

and as there are 8 bits in a Byte, some readouts appear about 1/10 despite actually being the same

[cinder lagoon]

Kinda, yeah. You can always use proton / wine to launch the launcher. Might have difficulties with specific games tho

Even ones that exist on steam bc steam might have deck-specific launch parameters or a deck version of the game

[cinder lagoon]

Geez it's so much worse having slow internet than no internet.
I just waited about 10 (ten!) minutes to open a 33 page rPi datasheet

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/u19FZQ1ZBYc

[cinder lagoon]

Ooooo intriguing

[jade scaffold]

the new APUs look pretty awesome

especially the X86 ones one of thoes is rumored to have 40CUs

which is ALOT

PS5 and Xbox Serise X have 60 and they are like 2 generations older at the time the new APUs would release

[balmy flicker]

thanks

[weary plume]

I dont know if hot swapping is even really neccsary in consumer electronics

[surreal moss]

@sudden pike #starcitizen message
You have software and hardware that supports that hot plug capability. And even then not everything is able to hotplugged in a server

[weary plume]

I just want quick connectors

having to turn off my PC to plug in a gpu doesn't really bother me

[mossy gull]

For me it does.

[weary plume]

I have to take case panels off anyway so its not that big of a deal to me

and as far as the vehicle noise thing I mentioned about it being artificial that primarlily relates to the interior noise

For example Rolls Royce elects to not produce the artificial noise inside the cabin making their cars almost silent inside

[mossy gull]

I love the silence, maybe a soft hum is okay, but engine noise I just find annoying.
It's so much noise it makes me almost pass out from overload

[weary plume]

As far as exterior noise is concerned most of that actually comes from the tires and theres not much we can do about that yet

[mossy gull]

I wish I could leave my system plugged in, open a hatch, and replace the GPU, without opening the case

[weary plume]

And I'm generally speaking about stock, non-performance vehicles here

[mossy gull]

I prefer EVs, because they're quiet, and there's tires that make it even more quiet, I have those tires, they're expensive, but nice.

[weary plume]

Yeah I'd defiantly prefer quiter tires, but the region I live in makes louder than average all weather tires essential

which does annoy the hell out of me

I find road noise from tires to be extremly agitating

[mossy gull]

I rather have road noise over road noise + ICE noise + echoes from the engine noise + the vibrations from the road.

I hate living in a dense-ish city, when I was in Tromsø I feld so relieved of no loud noises from many cars.

[weary plume]

Yeah I grew up in a relatively rural area with strict noise ordinances so going to college in a city has been torturous for me

[mossy gull]

I grew up in a city, while I can say a 6L V8 or a 4L V10 sound amazing, I rather don't have them so loud I can feel the sound as well

[cerulean helm]

Its literally foam glued to the inside of the tire. Like props to whomever came up with that idea and made bank on it.

[mossy gull]

I know, seen them from the inside, they're expensive, but it's nice they're quiet

[cerulean helm]

The engine in the Camaro has whats called chambered exhaust, and on the highway behind me its nearly 90 decibels. Inside, well I drive with windows down and t-tops off so have the talk very loud to have any kind of conversation.

[mossy gull]

And I can whisper in my Mirai, can you imagine the difference

[cerulean helm]

What? I can't hear you over my 5.7 liter V8, lol.

Its music to me, I love it. But to each there own.

Its my toy, its meant to be loud. My daily is a rust bucket currently so it creaks and thunks. Stereo goes hard though with the Polk audio system I have in it with crossovers.

[mossy gull]

I love the tune, but not when it's loud, I don't know if you play Star Citizen.
But when you sit in the SRV or Raven(because of the new sounds they have), the low hum of the engine(s) is just nice, it's soft and not really disturbing, the loudest sounds they make is when you turn them on or off.

[cerulean helm]

So, this is the same exhaust I have, same era Camaro but with a 6 speed manual and 6 liter engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl8q-ZAdt4s

[mossy gull]

I know what they sound like, there's 1 250m away from my home.

[cerulean helm]

Its a got a low idle that sounds mean, but once you get into it the exhaust almost has an european v8 sound to it.

No, exhausts sound all different, like way different. By ear I can tell a Borla vs a Magnaflow vs Flowmaster.

[mossy gull]

For me exhaust sounds all sound the same, because of how loud they are they're just deafening to me😅
I play game like Forza on volume 4 to 8, not higher

[cerulean helm]

And now we have the Audi E-tron EV that makes a fake exhaust noise in reverse. Which Ive not actually looked into what they did to make it work if its just speakers.

[mossy gull]

Usually speakers.
My car makes sound because the the electrons moving through the Fuel Cell😅

Anyways, I am gonna nap, need to drive far tomorrow (only 30 minutes) so nightnight

[sudden pike]

Wrong Equinox again lmao

[surreal moss]

My bad

[sudden pike]

Allgood

[mossy gull]

I need anew PSU for this
https://www.techpowerup.com/322592/intels-next-gen-falcon-shores-gpu-to-consume-1500-w-no-air-cooled-variant-planned

[sonic meadow]

just wait until they have ac-dc converters on the cards themselves, and you dont need to worry about a psu

[jade scaffold]

AI GPUs going Insane

NVidias Blackwell can do 1.2KW

which is madness considering you can have 8 of them in a 1U system

Look at this monster

Look at all the chiplets

8 HBM tiles there alone

also the new AM5 epycs are out and i am

DISAPOINTED

[mossy gull]

Why?

[surreal moss]

Basically Ryzen 7000s with new stickers

[jade scaffold]

yea

its just Ryzen 7000 with like half an extra security feature and needing RDIMMs

No Dual V-Cache CCDs
No Propper CCD interconnect
No 32 Core zen 4C Variant which would go super hard
No aditional IO which was kinda expected

[frozen igloo]

Does anyone know of a free software for generating a graphics for sports broadcasting?

[jade scaffold]

You guys might have better luck than me looking can anyone find me an exceptionally tiny N200 SBC or mini pc that has a really really small motherboard

[cinder lagoon]

That's an incredibly vague formulation
motion graphics? Live tracking of advertisement on "digital" billboards? An overlayed logo?
You're probably looking for blender or gimp.

[frozen igloo]

Those work fine for post production but im trying to something that can generate live titles, I can get everything that doesn’t have a countdown figured out. We currently use newbluefx titler 5 but the software keeps crashing mid broadcast and im looking for ways to replace it for free. Ive gotten obs setup where it will work for all graphics we don’t update live though for sports as an example I can’t get a good scoreboard because of the countdown, uno overlays works but I cant adjust the templates to better suite our broadcasts

[cinder lagoon]

What kind of titles? Like logo cards or just text on screen?
There's probably OBS-studio plugins for such a thing but I would recommend writing your overlay in html+css+javaScript and adding it as a chroma-keyed browser source in OBS

That would be the most flexible and somewhat simplest solution, it requires more setup time for the initial creation of the overlays

[frozen igloo]

We do a variety of graphics, we primarily have lower thirds with song titles, host names, team standings, live scoreboard, our logo as cornerbug, stingers, and a replay bug

I’m planning on making my own program at some point but Im not sure if I could get it fully featured by the time our busy season comes around

[cinder lagoon]

I see. As the features of OBS do most of the things you want to have I recommend against going for a fully-custom solution, just creating something (that can also but not exclusively) work with OBS ;)
obs can already do replay overlays, via the web overlay you can include a simple site that displays the song titles (gathered from some api I suppose) or scores.

[cerulean helm]

On fire tonight, broke my TrueNas Scale setup which runs my network Pihole and cut my internet on the pc. Pihole was failing to update, and I went to change to the Dragonfish version of Scale which broke my apps completely. Had to revert to the previous version of Scale just to get back online.

[cerulean helm]

And now the apps update just fine after I reverted to the old build even though that was the original problem.

[surreal moss]

Are you running PiHole s as an app or a vm?

[cerulean helm]

app

Not sure what the issue was that was causing the app to not update. Got an error saying the SMB shares containing the apps dataset are not permitted. And that the repository location didn't exist. So, sent to update TrueNas thinking that might have been an issue.

But apparently the new update requires a migration of the apps because TrueCharts changed or something. I haven't dug to far into that. So, broke my apps and couldn't reinstall them as the pool cannot be in the same share as the root directories.

Reverted back to the previous TrueNas build and Pihole updated no problem.

[surreal moss]

That’s interesting. I’ve noticed an issue with an apps not persisting all of it’s settings when the new container spins up but I think that’s specific to SyncThing

[jade scaffold]

I really want an N200 based version of this

[jade scaffold]

Or like an AMD 7440u or something along those lines

[jade scaffold]

https://www.gmktec.com/products/intel-alder-lake-n97-mini-pc-nucbox-g5?variant=2697c666-2fd0-48ac-a162-e659c2623086

This might work

[jade scaffold]

Gonna overclock it's going with it's tdp I should be able to get 2ghz on the GPU which should be 60% faster. Wish I could get the n300 it has 30% more cores on the GPU so I could have possibly gotten genuinely great performance for what it is

[jade scaffold]

Supposed 5090 memory layout

16 chips as opposed to the 4090s 12
This could lend more credibility to the 512bit memory bus which will be insane if true

[sonic meadow]

soon those cards will be more power delivery than anything else

[jade scaffold]

They already are tbh

[sonic meadow]

its about even right now

[jade scaffold]

The memory speeds are gonna be like 1.5TB/s if 512bit holds true

And with 128mb of l2

[sacred seal]

Does anybody know if you can make a Bootable windows usb with an android phone?

I'm at an airport and bit locker decided to kill itself

[mossy gull]

You can't as Android doesn't properly support FAT32

[surreal moss]

Maybe if you can download and configure the iso to a usb compatible with both?

[sacred seal]

Well I have a usb stick, and I have a c to a adapter

[surreal moss]

I might have something. Let me read through it

[sacred seal]

What I don't know is where I would download and flash the iso

I should have a live usb, but it's in my checked baggage

I try to enter it and it restarts and asks for it again

[surreal moss]

You should be able to download the iso to your phone directly

How long is your recovery key?

[sacred seal]

8x6

It accepts it, says it's installing updates, errors out and restarts

[surreal moss]

Try going for safe mode?

[sacred seal]

Can't reset pc or uninstall updates

[surreal moss]

Won’t even take you to the screen select safe mode?

Can’t get to this?

[sacred seal]

Yea, got there

Safe mode needs the bit locker key

[surreal moss]

Right. It shouldn’t install updates though

[sacred seal]

Well, I restarted, it did not let me go into safe mode but the update installed I think?

Going to enter the key again

Fixed it by plugging in the laptop...

[mossy gull]

If the system was ever connected to an Microsoft account, you can find the bitlocker key on the account.

[sacred seal]

Yeah, I have that, that's not the problem

New problem, need to make a new pin, but I need to connect to the internet. However I can't connect to the wifi without signing in...

[surreal moss]

You don’t have a local account for admin?

[sacred seal]

Really shoild

Dont

Wifi Hotspot off my phone and my laptop is working again though

[surreal moss]

Nice

[sacred seal]

Turning off bit locker as soon as I get to my hotel

[surreal moss]

I’d keep it on, personally

[sacred seal]

Don't have anything worth stealing on this pc

[surreal moss]

Fair enough