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mossy gull
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I like RAW😃

jade scaffold
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right

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Afaik DSC is NOT lossless lemme look that up

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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This should clarify:

Where quality is not of primary importance

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mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Given that the visually indistinct image is defined as when all the observers fail to correctly identify the reference image more than 75% of the trials in the standart...

Yes.

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And that not even by a small margin

mossy gull
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So basically that means I did see a difference between DSC on and off and I didn't have an illusion in my mind

cinder lagoon
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Absolutely necessary for mastering work, to turn off DSC

mossy gull
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And people say it's impossible to see the difference, I know I wasn't crazy, I am crazy 🤣

cinder lagoon
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Its basically a setting saying "good enough for those who don't actually care and just consume regardless of experience"

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Everything too bright/dark or anomalies?

mossy gull
# cinder lagoon Everything too bright/dark or anomalies?

I can see in a part of the UV colour space.
So usually on a sunny day it appears very bright shifting colours.
On a more cloudy day I see more colours than most, and thanks to that some colours do appear different for me than others.
They say it's Aphakia, but could be tetrachromacy because my mom has it as well.

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Thanks to this majority of LCDs always have a cold tone to them, more blueish.
Even when set to warm colours

cinder lagoon
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So you probably got UV blocking glasses, bet those are expensive

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Thats actually kinda rad tho

mossy gull
# cinder lagoon So you probably got UV blocking glasses, bet those are expensive

They're cheap these days, they usually appear yellow, and so do mine😅.
Although mine were like 120.-.

It's like seeing colours many can't, so colours in the high purple ranges and everything above is basically normal for me, but most will see those colours as white, black or dark blue.

You know that funny "blacklight" stuff you see at nightclubs or discos?
For most it's like a fun shock when they see their shirt getting dark violet.
I see a lit up blurry area, UV spectrum light is very turbulent, and creatures who can see UV see during day not far, like I can see up to 50m on a very sunny day if I wear normal no UV blocking sunglasses.

cinder lagoon
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Ohh didn't imagine low visibility during day, rather glowing people on beaches (from the sunscreen lol)

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Anything useful about that ability tho?

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Also: you're probably gonna like QD OLED because of it's pure spectrum peaks

mossy gull
mossy gull
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It's more balanced

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AMOLED also looks great

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
mossy gull
mossy gull
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QLED TVs for me are just near blue slabs😃

cinder lagoon
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Pro tip for android usage in bed:
There's an accessibility feature "extra dim display" or something that about halfs display birghtness when you hold both volume buttons for a second

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
mossy gull
mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Oof kinda couldn't stand that default of the sleep mode... like every content I looked at was kinda just uninteresting and annoying

mossy gull
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I don't mind, I like the function

cinder lagoon
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Function? Absolutely! Default? Meh 🤷🏽‍♂️

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Anyways... does anybody know of an assetto corsa competizione online community? Not really tech related but I can't find any on google and the discord search functions that are actually populated

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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thats fucking illigal

cinder lagoon
# jade scaffold thats fucking illigal

Well, the standard specifies it exactly tho advertising it as something else is bad. Especially if they don't put an asterisk with "only <25% of people could see the difference"

jade scaffold
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lossless means no data was lost in transmission which is totally possible with things as simple to compress as a display image
25% of people is ALOT of people

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that is FAR from nearly lossless if more than a couple % can see the difference

cinder lagoon
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My opinion as well haha

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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to be considered nearly lossless it would have to be less than 1% imo at that point it then doesnt matter because then the people that can consistantly identify differences are anomaly's and not representative of what a normal person can actually see

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also 10BPC turns out is a lie on 99% of monitors

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any monitor that supports HDR can do "10BPC" even though its not actually 10BPC and is just 8BPC with some fancy HDR shit stuck to it meaning you get the same annoying as colour blocking and banding you'd get normally

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apparently this monitor can do 12bpc with DSC turned off and locked at 120hz but honestly I'm not sure if thats even going to be proper 12 BPC

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aparently its letting me do it at 240hz
but i can still very clearly see colour banding on discords gradient skin which is kinda anoying

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unless what ever discord is using for the skin is just like a image that wasnt made with high colour displays in mind

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This legitimately really annoys me

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a lack of an actual AMOLED mode for desktop is infuriating

mossy gull
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It's the highest setting for the monitor and AMD says it's a 10-bit panel.

jade scaffold
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samsung says its a 12 bit pannel must just be discord doing somthing dumb like using aactual image for the background

mossy gull
# jade scaffold samsung says its a 12 bit pannel must just be discord doing somthing dumb like u...

I know with some games it can look weird, but this is because they're coded for 8-bit.
I think if it comes down to 12-bit, Mass Effect Andromeda did it very well with the colours, how much shit that game got, it still looks more gorgeous than Starfield.

Also Samsung are big liars if it comes down to their panels, their colours are mostly inaccurate and rarely, very rarely calibrated.
My brother has the Samsung Odyssey G85 OLED, and I have the 45GR, I absolutely hate mat displays but the colours look way better on the 45GR than on the G85.
Not to mention the 45GR has a piece of paper of its calibration, which the Samsung lacks.

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I really want to create a "screen protector" to make a mat screen more glossy.

cerulean helm
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I'm using LG for my newest setup. So far I like them. UltraGear 27GP83B-B. Nothing super fancy.

jade scaffold
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ive got the g9 oled

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
# cinder lagoon Use BetterDiscord :P

yea i used to but i had to update it near enough every day because discord likes to update constantly to intentionally break it and i cant leave my main PC online 24/7 because it pulls 230-260W minimum at idle

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
mossy gull
# jade scaffold ive got the g9 oled

I had so much problems with the 1st gen G9 LCD on a 2070 and 3070, that I avoided them all together, so that's why I got the 45GR over the G9 OLED 😅

mossy gull
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I really want that

cinder lagoon
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I mean - it's a diy solution but it's important to choose the right clear coat

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Like many paints contain acetone and that just dissolves plastic, we don't want that

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It's irreversible tho

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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More research definitely needed but yes acetone free is a must. Try looking for something designated plastic safe

mossy gull
mossy gull
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I have an idea for a concept, but I need to see how to pull it off

vestal stirrup
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In an average gaming pc setup, what options am I losing when it comes to getting a itx board over a atx board?

sacred seal
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Future expansion for the most part

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Not going to have as much PCI/NVME, and likely only two ram slots

vestal stirrup
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What kind things could be used with the pci slots in an average gamer build?

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Ram slots I understand, I have 2x16GB at the moment and that tends to supply all my needs

sacred seal
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IO expansion, soundcards, Extra NVME, bigger GPUs

vestal stirrup
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I am picturing a time when gpus require to be plugged into 2 pcie slots

sacred seal
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Thats probably not going to happen because current GPUs barely saturate PCIe 3.0 x16, and we are already on PCIe 5.0 x16 which has 4x more bandwidth. Its more of an issue where you get a 3 or 4 slot card and now you can't install anything else because all your slots are covered

vestal stirrup
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I am asking because I plan on upgrading soon and downsizing from my full atx build

sonic meadow
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an itx board is going to cost you more than a micro-atx or atx board, and is unnecessary extra cost if you arent using a mini-itx case (which also tend to cost substantially more, plus needing more expensive sff psus, etc)

vestal stirrup
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That is a fair explanation, thank you

sacred seal
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Completely forgot about SFF psus. I think those cap at 1000 watts, so going real small ITX could also affect future GPUs if Nvidia keeps cranking up the power budget

sonic meadow
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It's pretty fair to want to downsize from a full sized ATX build though, those can get pretty sizey, especially if your case supports "EATX" boards

vestal stirrup
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My case does support such eatx, it is a beast without beastly internals

sonic meadow
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they can look pretty empty without things like massive GPUs or watercooling setups

jade scaffold
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Even the new oled one

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Really really nice monitor but it has its quirks

sonic meadow
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my mum has a shitty walmart type PC that has a mini-itx board in a normal sized ATX case, and it looks so silly inside. Especially since it doesnt have an internal PSU, but an external 19v brick...

jade scaffold
sonic meadow
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this was the kind of PC that struggles as a media player for a TV. thats how bad it is

jade scaffold
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Rip I might use my new p100 to turn my server into a little cloud gaming machine for my friends who don't have their own pc

sonic meadow
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some rubbish AMD low power thing stolen out of a netbook and shoved on to a desktop board

jade scaffold
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As you do

sonic meadow
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it was probably barely competent when it was a new product, and not when they got a hold of it

mossy gull
vestal stirrup
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Any recomendations for mATX board for a amd 5800x? Was looking at ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-Plus, as it comes up as good for its price

jade scaffold
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I have Aquired Peice of Super computer

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jade scaffold
cinder lagoon
opaque anchor
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My father in law gave me his laptop to try and get figured out/replace the HDD since it doesn't detect it for booting. I can plug the HDD in fine to my PC with an adapter and get the contents of it. Is it more likely the HDD itself is bad or the connector on the laptop itself. Trying to troubleshoot without buying a new HDD/SDD first but I haven't had to deal with this sorta situation really.

surreal moss
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Does the laptop see the drive in bios at all?

opaque anchor
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it sees the option but doesn't detect anything, changed the priority to USB and goes right into the windows USB I made

surreal moss
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Sounds like something is corrupted with that window install then

opaque anchor
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guess I'll back up the stuff and see if I can use the USB to reinstall it.

surreal moss
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Since you can get to the data on the drive I would make a backup of it and then attempt to either repair or reinstall- yep

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You’ve got a good head on you

opaque anchor
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I work IT for my career but we aren't in a position where we have to deal with specific hardware pieces often so my skills in that department aren't as indepth

surreal moss
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Heh, I just flipped to needing to do that more. Previously I was the admin for a datacenter. Now it’s for everything in a whole company. Thankfully the logic paths are pretty consistent

opaque anchor
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yeaa, I've been working as the lead tech remotely for the last year so I haven't had hands on any equipment in that long.

paper iron
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You all seem tech savy.
Anyone know if it matters if you use 1 cable with 2 connectors on one end for a gpu with 2 pcie power slots?
Or is it better to use 2 separate cables in that case?

sacred seal
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It depends on how your PSU is wired up but generally it is better to use two seperate cables. However you can often get away with just one

sonic meadow
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All depends on variables we a: don't have and b: many of which just aren't available

paper iron
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Figures, recently got a radeon 7800 xt, and had a 5700 before that.
The latter I had occasional random driver (I think) crashes with, and the software complaining about wattman something

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And had a similar crash with the new one in helldivers 2 after the weekend.
But that might not be related to a lack of power.

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oh and the psu is a corsair rm 850X v2

sonic meadow
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The 7800xt has a tdp around 260w, assuming it pulls all of that through the cables (and none through the slot) then I would highly recommend using two cables

paper iron
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Thanks.
Could the same could be said for any highend GPU?

sonic meadow
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Yeah

paper iron
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That makes me wonder how many issues/crashes with my old 5700 could have been caused by only having 1 cable over the years.
Yeah it has a lower tdp, but still

sonic meadow
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The 5000 cards were notorious, at least at launch

paper iron
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so I've heard, got mine about half a year after launch

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and while it did get better over time, i still had some rare random wattman crashes last year

mossy gull
sonic meadow
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maximum... overdrive!

mossy gull
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I personally disable it, I see no use for turbo other it consuming 10 times the power for 5% speed gain

jade scaffold
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Weird that's how amds turbo works NVidias turbo is much different you can actually get a decent amount extra performance out of NVidias gpus especially on pascal by basically just raising the thermal and power limits

sonic meadow
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yeah, like... 7%, for 15x the power

jade scaffold
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more like 500mhz on core clock for all of 15% more power

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most of it comes from tha auto boost then you can usually get another 150mhz ofset from the boost on pascal
its why im really quite excited to get this P100 into a computer its in theory just a better binned 1080TI with more RAM and a massivly higher power limit

mossy gull
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I still prefer without turbo, feels more stable that way

jade scaffold
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yea thats fair

cinder lagoon
surreal moss
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Give me the DockerFile and requirements.txt and I’ll be hapoy

timber barn
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yeah, that helps a ton setting up a defined environment

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IMHO it is almost a requirement

surreal moss
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Especially after years of arguing with devs about environmental requirements

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Learning it now has been full of “wtf did they do it the hard way?!?!”

timber barn
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when I worked with Gitlab pipelines we we using Build containers as a default

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going then to Github actions back felt like a step back in that regard

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all of the sudden ppl where using host tools again

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nevertheless you can still use buildcontainers in github actions

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just feels they are not that common

surreal moss
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Yeah, I haven’t done a whole lot with git. Last place was an svn house for the main stuff and the devs got the fancy git like toys for their stuff. I was barred from access to it which got real fun when they’d escalate to me if it broke

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They got a whole lot o”golly that sucks. Good luck!”

timber barn
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omg SVN... that won't die I guess

cerulean helm
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Holy shit, no more forced log in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiwuYbURWVI

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cinder lagoon
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In other news:
I finally shelled out for a proper domain name at cloudflare and now I'm neck deep into setting up a DynDNS script (bc cloudflare requires the auth key in an HTTP header, which can't be done inside the URL) alonside subdomains that forward to my host applications (I heard for some services that is achievable via the SRV entry?)
It seems I can't get around an nginx setup sooooo... tips for beginners??

sonic meadow
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And looking at the video thumbnail it looks more like AMDs thing, which is... harder to navigate (admittedly for someone who doesn't use it 😆)

cinder lagoon
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AMDs panel has recently gotten more cluttered and restructured (which made it alot worse) but its pretty easy to work with as it has everything in one place

jade scaffold
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Tbh I do like how easy NVidias control panel is to navigate it's super basic and not modern yea but it was completely functional I hope modernising it to look nicer doesn't make it harder to navigate

sonic meadow
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it doesnt need to be "modern", whatever that means in any given week

jade scaffold
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No it doesn't but people will complain

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Also modern looking UI isn't really much of a changing concept

sonic meadow
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its only changed what.. three times over the last decade? at least

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a large chunk of this however is just me being resistant to change 😆
though I dont need let alone want the geforce Experience features to be wrapped in to the control panel stuff (though really its happening the other way around)

jade scaffold
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Not really nice animations pretty much covers modern UI design

sonic meadow
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it... doesnt even use itself to login. ffs, dont fucking open my fucking browser to do stuff you should be fucking doing yourself

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jade scaffold
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Curved edges on things usually as well. Then minimalist too tho minimalist look is very much contentious some people love it some people hate it so can go either way with that and still be modern

jade scaffold
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Geforce experience is so pointless

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Coulda just made it a little driver updater app but no it's a game launcher too I like the recording feature but why does it think anyone's gonna use it to launch a game

sonic meadow
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it used to be required for shadowplay (back when nvidia first introduced it with the 600 series), but I use those features through OBS now.

jade scaffold
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Yea

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Wonder if we'll get any built in overclocking

sonic meadow
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I remember years ago having a nvidia control panel plugin that let it be used for overclocking.. 😆

jade scaffold
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Will still use afterburner tho it's got all my saved profiles on it

sonic meadow
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probably back around the 8000/9000 series

jade scaffold
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Though I exclusively use my undervolt and massive memory overclock now

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11000+MHz memory clocks go still need to fill out all my CPUs ram slots so I can get that juicy 480GB/s of CPU memory bandwidth

jade scaffold
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It's better than windows HDR Elden ring ultrawide with the RTX HDR gonna be sensual

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Er not having native ultrawide support is a crime all the cutscenes are rendered real time and like look at this it's gorgeous

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Flawless widescrene is the program I use to make it work on my ultrawide properly I think it should also work with a 16:10 display

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Yea my screens super ultrawide

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But flawless wide screen applies for 21:9 too

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Er only supports 16:9 and it's stupid because it's the kind of game that really does benefit from having more screen

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
sonic meadow
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Cold take: dont open my fucking browser just to login. you dont need a browser to login.

cinder lagoon
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Well okay technically yes but then you still need to include a maintained webkit, where when you use the main browser the liability of security falls to the end user

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Like for security reasons

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I would argue that you just dont need to login, but thats a different convo ig

sonic meadow
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you... dont need anything web browser

sacred seal
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I had to deal with this when working on an app, apparently it is "best practice" to use a web browser to handle logins. Ended up with a browser running inside UE4 to handle the login

sonic meadow
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like I get why they do it, I just hate it

cinder lagoon
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Understandable

cinder lagoon
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Hey, just a word:
how did he go from this 🤗

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To this🥴🫣

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surreal moss
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A razor?

jade scaffold
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Yo new Linus skin just dropped

sonic meadow
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He dropped his facial hair

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Probably got sponsored by a razor company or something

jade scaffold
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In fun news amds 5700xt massively underperforms in helldivers for some reason

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Kinda feels like a CPU performance issue tho seeing 50% CPU usage on a 5800x while running the game but a 5800x should in no scenario be bottlenecking a 5700xt

cinder lagoon
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jade scaffold
cinder lagoon
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I heard it works up until 4.2

jade scaffold
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My CPU does 4.4ghz and is massively out performing it

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That could be down to my CPU having a bunch more cache and higher IPC but I shouldnt be able to max out a 3090 which is a GPU 2.3x faster with a CPU that only has a 15% higher IPC on none cache intensive tasks

cinder lagoon
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It's a helldivers problem specifically

jade scaffold
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Yea the cpu is hitting the right clock speeds but the GPU isn't being fully utilised

cinder lagoon
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No you don't understand

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Apparently helldivers has a problem with CPU clock speeds above 4.2GHz

jade scaffold
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Then I would have the same issue

cinder lagoon
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Like its probably some scheduling thing

jade scaffold
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Im on zen running at 4.4 another friends on a 5800x with a 2060 super and is massively outperforming the 5700xt guy

cinder lagoon
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Idk I just read some comments about it online

jade scaffold
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The 2060 should at no point ever be even comming close to the 5700xt it's a weird bug

cinder lagoon
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Day 3 of "quickly hacking together a PowerShell DynDNS client for cloudflare":

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cerulean helm
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Well, got the new Gskill "Wigidash", a touchscreen panel thats usb powered and requires no display cable. Busy setting it up right now. Will be nice to free up the hdmi port on the gpu and not be driving 3 monitors while gaming.

cinder lagoon
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The wigidash is a really nice complete product for these usecases.
Before everyone would just try via open source projects that ended up not being actually cool xD

cerulean helm
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I currently use whats called Infopanel on a 3rd mini display using HWinfo sensors. And that works great but it needs usb and hdmi.

So far, its interesting. Touch screen is nice. Weather app is nice. It has twitch chat integration to display chat. Spotify music which is kinda neat. Software needs some work, but overall is functionmal.

Annoyingly for whatever reason I cannot get the wigidash to display average Vcore from HWinfo correctly. Just says 1.000v, instead of the actual voltage. Not sure what thats about.

cinder lagoon
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Wait does the software have plugin capability?

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Have you confirmed HWInfo is sending the correct sensor

cerulean helm
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It display any voltage in single digits. Weirdly displaying 1.000 or 2.000.

Select any individual core voltage and is just 1.000.

I'm wondering if the wigdash HWinfo plugin isn't all fleshed out yet,
Cause the same seneor selected in InfoPanel display the proper volate for instance.

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Okay, the twitch chat integration is kinda cool

cinder lagoon
robust walrus
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Apologies if this is not the correct place to ask. Seem to have a faulty GPU so im currently planning on getting a new one, and since im already blowing money on my pc i figured id finally get around to getting a second monitor. Thing is, I can't decide if its better to get a ultrawide 1440p, or try to find another 1080p monitor. Ive heard that going multimonitor with different resolutions is not a great idea, so i'd either need to settle for 1080 or get two 1440's and just store my current monitor (which i would be doing anyway if i got the ultrawide).

Suggestions?

cinder lagoon
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First of all - maybe we can get your GPU back up and running of you describe what's wrong.
Addressing the monitors:

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There is absolutely no problem with having different resolution monitors.
The "Problem" (the mouse cursor "jumping" when going between the panels) stems from an "issue" that can be fixed with <an open source program I forgot the name of>.
However it can be mitigated entirely if you keep an eye on certain display parameters (I also need to google those)

robust walrus
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Having the exact same issue as Night did in their post "Monitor goes Black Screen during Gaming" about a month ago.

Ended up doing some chunky testing with OCCT on every part it could do, and once i ran the GPU test I got the exact same thing that occurs during gaming.

Seems like getting a replacement helped Night out just fine, and I can keep my current one as a backup since it only fucks up on newer games

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cinder lagoon
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(the 5000 series is known to be a little clusterfuck sometimes)

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You might want to give DDU a try before doing anything, if you haven't already

www.guru3d.com
Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) download version 18.0.7.2

Download Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) - Remove AMD/NVIDIA/INTEL Graphics Drivers Cleanly - DDU is a driver removal utility that helps you completely uninstall AMD/NVIDIA graphics card drivers and packages from your system, leaving no leftovers behind, including registry keys, folders, files, and driver store.

robust walrus
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yeah if i get another im going back to nvidea. never had any issues with my 1080

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ill give it a shot

cinder lagoon
robust walrus
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oh neat didnt know i could link it like that

cinder lagoon
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If they're still active you can just use the # notation like normal channels, I got the link of it tho

cinder lagoon
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I have a 6800 and am very happy with it especially because it didn't cost as much as an nVidea card with the same performance

robust walrus
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is the myth about intel cpu and amd gpu not liking eachother a myth?

cinder lagoon
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Yes

robust walrus
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wait are those your specs?

cinder lagoon
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Nope that is a really reputable online source, he tests basically everything

robust walrus
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just that i have the same cpu, found that funny

cinder lagoon
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With an intel CPU you loose one single feature tho: "Smart Access Memory" but if reBar is turned on in BIOS it should not be of difference afaik

robust walrus
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welp time to run BG3 and see if it shits itself again

cinder lagoon
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Good luck!
A GPU "reseat" might also help

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You can also try pressing Windows Key + Shift + Ctrl + B at the same time when it happens to reboot the graphics driver, it should make a beep via the speekers iirc

robust walrus
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happened again, will relaunch and try the beep thing

jade scaffold
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If you are having driver issues that's the usual for 5700xt

robust walrus
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well it has arbitrarily decided to chill out again. every now and then it just starts pulling this crap and i just have to deal with it till it stops. very aggravating when youre restarting your pc every two minutes

cinder lagoon
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Not sure if driver, hence I called out

robust walrus
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anyway, with that out of the way (for now) do you think multimonitor or one chonky boi is better?

cinder lagoon
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OHH also do try your numlock and/or capslock key (whichever of yours has some indicator light), if they don't change its not actually your GPU thats going bad but your entire system xD

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I mean while black screen

robust walrus
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will remember, probably

cinder lagoon
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I bet someone here can recommend some good (fast and accurate!) monitors

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I basically always have my laptop playing a video besides my game on the side and I don't want to change that setup because second monitor is always useful and it being a laptop I can always fiddle with something there without exiting a game or whatever

robust walrus
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even if the chonky monitor is as wide as two 1440p's?

jade scaffold
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Multi monitor has the advantage of you can have a game and say discord opened at once

Something which isn't easy to do on ultrawides

robust walrus
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couldnt you just have it windowed on one half of the screen?

sonic meadow
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you can, but its more awkward. though there are tools to divide an ultrawide in to what are essentially multiple monitors

jade scaffold
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You can buy some games are utterly stupid

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Yea there are tools you can use tho honestly actually in ultrawide res is great

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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Or any of the many gaming TVs out these days

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Or the 40" "monitors"

cinder lagoon
#

Well - choinky as in resolution, width or overall size??

robust walrus
cinder lagoon
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So an ultra-wide 1440p

robust walrus
#

ye

cinder lagoon
#

Consider what you will do with the old monitor.
Do you sell it to factor into the price of the new one or..?

jade scaffold
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34inch 3440x1440s are good for having 2 programs open at once splitting them in 2 is like the perfect size for having 2 programs open at once

But they aren't big enough to game on and keep a other program open at once

robust walrus
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right

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got a suggestion?

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like whats a good size

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if its not big enough to game and discord at once, i could just keep my old monitor as my discord/chrome boi

jade scaffold
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If you really want multiple things open at once all the time you kinda want 2 monitors

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Or like a super ultrawide but thoes are super expensive

surreal moss
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It can be use case dependent but for gaming a dedicated primary screen for the game is typical

jade scaffold
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Or you can do it with a TV sized monitor too

jade scaffold
robust walrus
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i think my current monitor is either 21 or 24" if that helps

jade scaffold
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splitting an ultrawide into multiple displays in such a way i can have a game in proper full screen and have a seperate program open is hell

cinder lagoon
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Do you play alot of first person shooters?

robust walrus
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not really

cinder lagoon
#

Okay then do you like immersive first person games?

surreal moss
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Keeping the old one as a secondary isn’t a bad idea. I think that’s how most of us get into multiple displays

jade scaffold
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Ultrawide gaming is so much fun

robust walrus
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im thinkin about how wide the uw is, wouldnt that be an issue in and of itself? like how many games can even work that wide?

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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ultrawide is fine for shooters

surreal moss
jade scaffold
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like even comp shooters

robust walrus
surreal moss
#

What do you like to play?

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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21:9 is typically very well supported i never really have had issues getting it to work properly without any kind of hud fuckery

robust walrus
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right now its helldivers, bg3, world of warships, DRG and ES2

jade scaffold
robust walrus
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just checked and it is a 21:9 so at least i dont have to worry there

jade scaffold
#

yea 21:9 at 1440p is 3440x1440
32:9 at 1440p is 5120x1440

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a 5700xt wouldnt be able to run that though it can manage 3440x1440 reasonably well

cinder lagoon
#

The 5700XT seems to be "dead" so probably upgrade time

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Ohh great point: how much do you want to spend on both GPU + Monitor??

jade scaffold
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they update the drivers but they just do a shit job at it

robust walrus
cinder lagoon
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How much is >stupid< in this case?

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Like a ballpark, not maximum but general direction

robust walrus
#

i wouldnt mind getting something around the performance equivalent of a 4000 series because at least then i shouldnt have to worry about upgrades for a long time (barring more driver bullshit)

cinder lagoon
#

Thats still no dollar amount

robust walrus
#

fair

cinder lagoon
#

We need to sensibly split that amount between GPU and monitor

surreal moss
cinder lagoon
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Well, I need to atleast

robust walrus
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well the monitor im looking at is 499 aud so theres that

surreal moss
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Okay, is $1500 a lot to you?

cinder lagoon
#

Imma say $1500

jade scaffold
robust walrus
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its a lot, but i should have at least 8k saved last i checked and i dont have any big bills or anything unless i get ran over by a car tomorrow

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besides it should be enough to get a pretty good one

jade scaffold
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i think my old AOC ultrawide was £400 and that was years ago i bought that VA and IPS Pannels have gotten alot cheaper since

cinder lagoon
#

So is 1500 stupid enough? :P

robust walrus
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fuggit we ball

cinder lagoon
#

1500 it is.

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Hmm at 1500 a 4070 seems not enough but a 4070 SUPER is a whole 20% more expensive and leaves just about 500 for a display...

robust walrus
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are we counting the monitor in the 1500?

cinder lagoon
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Yes

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That being said, both monitors I included are standart 16:9 (oops)

robust walrus
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if it pleases thee, we can just not count the monitor. I checked and i have more than i expected so i dont mind.

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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I gotta go sleep rn but I wanna tell yall: stay away from AOC monitors, the reason why they are always so cheap is that my 1080p curved display at least is considered non-faulty with up to 3 completely dead pixels from the factory

robust walrus
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oof, i have an AOC and was considering getting another one

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and it does have dead pixels funnily enough

cinder lagoon
#

Its a game of luck basically (I kinda lost, with 1 dead)

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
cerulean helm
#

Hmm, so still can't figure out what the Gskill Wigidash HWinfo plugin is doing to cause sensor data to not read the actual voltage. But, Aida64 seems to work and has better integration. I had thought that Aida64 wasn't compatible with Corsair Icue. But seems to be working fine.

mossy gull
#

https://videocardz.com/newz/lian-li-shows-off-l-shaped-1300w-power-supply-for-dual-chamber-cases

VideoCardz.com
Lian Li shows off L-shaped 1300W power supply for dual-chamber case...

L-Shaped PSU for dual-chamber chassis Lian Li has just showcased its upcoming products at the 2024 Digital Expo. Among the new products is the Edge PSU series featuring a unique L-shaped design. The primary aim of this unique concept is to simplify access to power ports, particularly benefiting users with enough space for the power […]

jade scaffold
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yea i saw that actually a very nifty idea

cerulean helm
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Well, after a couple hours I built a custom sensor panel on the new Gskill Wigidash using Aida64 instead of HWinfo. Only thing is you have to fire up the Wigidash software before Aida64 for it to load the screen correctly. Otherwise you have to close it and restart.

cerulean helm
cinder lagoon
#

And it works with floats?

cerulean helm
#

Using Aida64 and the Aida64 widget for the Wigidash everything looks to work fine.

Also just found out that GSkill put the SDK code up on Github to build your own widget, which is really cool.

mossy gull
jade scaffold
#

interesting

cinder lagoon
#

Anbody here experience with native IPv6? 🥴

surreal moss
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No but I want to learn

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Except not really

cinder lagoon
#

Yeah I already ran into a problem with my own domain already, IPv6 doesn't use NAT so therefore I probably need to set the DNS to the IP adress of my router, not my server (or main computer, for that fact)...

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Something something provides more IPs than grains of sand on earth

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Accepting that, for some reason I can't reach shit via v6 while v4 and my previous dynDNS service work just fine

surreal moss
#

What’s interesting is that my printers are using v6 though the rest of the network is on v4

cinder lagoon
#

Btw I've been spending the last 7 hours trying to compile nginx with UDP support (because the open-source-plebs don't get a precompiled package with all modules enabled lol)
Open source is great and all but not everyone wants to setup a linux build environment on windows via msys and read inconcise documentation, which compilers you need

surreal moss
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That’s what containers are for 😛

cinder lagoon
#

People need to start putting a "just give me an installer for my system" type on github

cinder lagoon
surreal moss
#

Tbf I can’t think of a use case where I would want nginx on windows

cinder lagoon
#

I carefully chose a reverse proxy, UDP capable solution that I can later just port over to linux

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And given that nginx is apparently the fastest and safest and easily portable one -

cinder lagoon
#

Things are going downhill

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help

sonic meadow
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Iirc cc is a fairly bare bones c compiler

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Best used for bootstrapping in to better tooling when you don't have internet to just download packages

cinder lagoon
#

Given that I now understand some parts of this so called documentation better, I've realized that I need to run the commands inside a visual studio 22 cmd terminal.

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Surprise surprise, suddenly the nmake command is present

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Don't know what exactly they mean with this tho

Ensure that paths to Perl, Mercurial and MSYS bin directories are added to PATH environment variable before you start build

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Does bin apply to all three or just MSYS?
What executables should be visible from PATH?

sonic meadow
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The ones for those three applications

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So hg.exe, perl.exe, msys.exe (pretty sure I have all those correct)

cinder lagoon
#

Hmm okay...

sonic meadow
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Mercurial (HG.exe) is a version control tool like git. Perl is a powerful scripting language. And msys is... compiler/build tooling stuff.

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Fwiw I hate trying to build c/c++ applications

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Especially on windows

cinder lagoon
#

..still not getting anywhere...

created all those directories from source code, obviously.
I ran vcvarsall.bat from the visual studio command prompt.
I start msys and navigate to the build path
I run configure with all my build options and modules -> it says it's using msvc -> Success. -> cl returns an error -> I am grinding my teeth
I try to run nmake from within msys -> doesn't exist.
I try to run nmake from within VS22 -> exists but errors because its obviously a bash/ linux tool

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cinder lagoon
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Mercurial is optional, once you acquired the source code and extracted it

sonic meadow
#

Did you run nmake from the msys shell after doing configure?

cinder lagoon
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Not found

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I could try to run the windows path nmake?

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Ahh wrong pcre version hang on

sonic meadow
#

It's a bit of a pain to compare on my phone, but is that same error?

cinder lagoon
# 
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

        cd ../objs/lib/openssl-3.2.1
        perl Configure VC-WIN32 no-shared no-threads             --prefix="%cd%/openssl"                                 --openssldir="%cd%/openssl/ssl"
Configuring OpenSSL version 3.2.1 for target VC-WIN32
Using os-specific seed configuration

Failure!  build file wasn't produced.
Please read INSTALL.md and associated NOTES-* files.  You may also have to
look over your available compiler tool chain or change your configuration.

NASM not found - make sure it's installed and available on %PATH%
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: 'perl Configure VC-WIN32 no-shared no-threads                 --prefix="%cd%/openssl"                          --openssldir="%cd%/openssl/ssl"                          ' : return code '0x7f'
Stop.
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\2022\Community\VC\Tools\MSVC\14.39.33519\bin\Hostx64\x64\nmake.exe" -f auto/lib/openssl/makefile.msvc                                       OPENSSL="../objs/lib/openssl-3.2.1" OPENSSL_OPT=""               OPENSSL_TARGET="VC-WIN32"' : return code '0x2'
Stop.
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\2022\Community\VC\Tools\MSVC\14.39.33519\bin\Hostx64\x64\nmake.exe" -f objs/Makefile' : return code '0x2'
Stop.
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New error

#

VC-WIN32 sounds wrong, I'm building amd64...

#

Okay, that's pretty clear:

$ perl configure

Failure!  build file wasn't produced.
Please read INSTALL.md and associated NOTES-* files.  You may also have to
look over your available compiler tool chain or change your configuration.

ERROR!
No C compiler found, please specify one with the environment variable CC,
or configure with an explicit configuration target.
cinder lagoon
#

Including the MSVC directory in the path seems to have helped, just gotta define CC as cl now and I should be good I think

cinder lagoon
#

OPENSSL_TARGET="VC-WIN64A" -> Progress 😎

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I seem to need nasm to compile openssl...

cinder lagoon
#

...I am building...

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It is 4:30 AM

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Good. Night.

cinder lagoon
#

💀 seemingly have to add everything manually to the PATH

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cinder lagoon
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Running the build env variable .bat in msys also doesn't work

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...PATH order mattered, building again...

cinder lagoon
#

... great now the source code is throwing invalid errors. Ngx_core.h is obviously included in the file with the error

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Anyone know a community where I could get help with this?

cinder lagoon
#

The IRC channel seems to have been able to help me.
Removing the http/3 build option (which uses quic) has let the build run for at least an hour now.
And http3 seems to be a very silent internet control problem because apparently to host a http/3 service you HAVE to get permission form a third party corporation so people can actually visit

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Like a lobbying problem where IETF let it thru the vetting process bc Google and Microsoft pushed enough

robust walrus
#

well, had to remove a fan to make room but just booted up my pc and new graphics card seems to be working.

of course, now to shut it down and reassemble my case and somehow fit my hdd next to the psu with all those chonk cords in the way. should be fun :D

little concerned about the clearance on some of those cords, might be bending things when the glass front goes back on, so i might need to get one of those more flexible cord-to-gpu-slot bits than you get by default

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wish me luck, not that ill see it till im done because i cant access discord on anything other than my pc

robust walrus
#

god it feels so good having a huge monitor

cinder lagoon
#

Haha noice

cinder lagoon
# robust walrus well, had to remove a fan to make room but just booted up my pc and new graphics...

Might want to take a look at cablemods (or other companies) right angle PCIe power adapters.
What GPU did you end up getting? For RTX 4000 with those 12pin high power connectors you should stay with cablemod as they seem to have the best track-record of not catching fire. (Everyone hates nVideas connector, it is prone to not being fully seated which heats up the connector and has already cost several hundred thousand in damages)

jade scaffold
#

They released a new version that's a bit more reliable which is only found on their new super cards

#

Sense pins were also shortened in the new version iirc meaning it won't even let the GPU pull power unless it's fully seated

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Still tho they coulda just used CPU EPS 2 EPS connectors can do 500w in spec at a minimum they can likely do alot more much like the normal pcie one can

mossy gull
surreal moss
#

cries in dns I think

hasty rose
#

My friends laptop has an "external" ssd and it's very slow. They're having long wait times downloading, launching, and playing games from it. Any idea where I could start to help them fix the issue? They said it wasn't like that in the beginning...

cinder lagoon
#

What is the model name?
The cable might be broken and now only USB 2.0 speed.
Also please send us a screenshot of Taskmanager in this tab with the appropriate drive selected:

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mossy gull
#

I have the feeling that Nvidia will be kicked in the ass in the near future.
Especially after Nvidia deliberately tries to stop companies to go for other AI chip manufacturers.

mossy gull
dim forge
#

should i be concerned bout my hard drive if it repeatedly doing this and freezing pc for like 10-20 sec every time. only have issues with it when downloading stuff

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cinder lagoon
dim forge
#

The mouse does stop moving though not every time. and its a single SSD in my pc that makes any difference

surreal moss
#

Where is windows installed?

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Or what is running from that drive?

dim forge
#

Just got Google chrome and steam open rn. And not sure how to check that

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And I assume everything cause it my only drive

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
dim forge
#

download finished so it working fine now

cinder lagoon
#

Or like verifying file integrity?

dim forge
#

didnt freeze this time though

#

Though that game is less compressed than the other one 30gb download for 55gb space instead of 20gb for 70gb

#

If that could make a difference

cinder lagoon
#

That thing shows 100% usage, not great during a steam download where the network (even with 10G) or the CPU should be the bottleneck

#

Can you maybe use a tool like CrystalDiskInfo to find out what model that is and if it's completely run down?

#

And has it always been like thart?

dim forge
#

Nah it been getting worse recently and I'll check

cinder lagoon
#

Hmm that is odd tho that's a no-name SSD if I've ever seen one...
I would certainly think about replacing it, if you tell us your laptop model we can find out how easy it would be to do so.
In the meantime - type defrag into your windows search and run the SSD optimization process for the SSD, it might also help!
Good replacements would be about anything from Samsung.
We can copy the entire contents of the old one to the new one and if the laptop permits, still use the old one for more storage.

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I can also recommend crucial but if you can find a good deal on samsung, would rather choose them

dim forge
#

Not laptop so that should be easier

sacred seal
#

Its not no name, that seems to be a Adata model

dim forge
#

Thanks for the help btw. I'll replace that after I pay rent this month

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
#

I looked up the firmware

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CDM does not have all SSDs in its database

cinder lagoon
#

Ohhh I thought it was self-reported (since the BIOS can even figure the name out)

cerulean helm
#

Okay, this has my attention. An AIO with no pump. And it works, which is crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S2BZlHChug

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cinder lagoon
sacred seal
#

That is really not good

cinder lagoon
#

Especially given that that server holds all family images (I am missing the offsite-backup)

sacred seal
#

Man, that is awful

#

How do you think it got in?

cinder lagoon
#

Given that I had just setup some cloudflare address and was messing around with reverse-proxy

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....hmmm

sacred seal
#

Been quite awhile since I have heard of someone getting pwned remotely.

cinder lagoon
#

It must've happened over the course of a couple days, slowly in the background because I did not really see power spikes

#

The window activated at exactly 9:30, when they placed the "info" files on desktop and all drive-roots

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Well they shotdown the server then at least

#

Actually my nginx log for my (it was not working) HA dns address had some accesses at 9pm yesterday

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From two "Mozilla X11 Ubuntu" Systems

sacred seal
#

That seems suspect

cinder lagoon
#

I have the IPs lol

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15.204.52.61 and 213.32.39.45

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Checks out

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sacred seal
#

Looks like the US and france?

cinder lagoon
#

...I don't think I had ssh enabled on my server...

sacred seal
#

Suprised its still up, records seem to go back at least 6 months

#

Given these are "First world" countries, I would of expected them to kill the IP.

cinder lagoon
#

...how likely is it to find out a decryption key if I have multiple reference files unencrypted and ecrypted?

sacred seal
#

Not that likely, but its not impossible

#

NVM, it seems like it is impossible

#

Might be worth a look

cinder lagoon
#

Hmm.. seems to have started two days ago...

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Will do, thx

sacred seal
#

Fingers crossed

cinder lagoon
#

Our go-to antivirus is malwarebytes, right?

sacred seal
#

Strictly speaking its not a AV, but yea, hit it with that

#

Do it until you get nothing found, then hit it with defender

#

Then hit it with MB again

cinder lagoon
#

Yes

#

Huh... Problem: how tf do I get MWBytes on the system?

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That's a USB

sacred seal
#

MB should have a bootable USB

#

I think?

cinder lagoon
#

good point.

sacred seal
#

I swear there was one but I cant for the life of me find it

cinder lagoon
#

also: it completely removed any system tools from windows so no Defender, no disk management lol

sacred seal
#

This is bootable and will hopefully get you to a point where you can install MB

cinder lagoon
#

thx, my laptop is pretty slow rn since I'm doing virus scan

sacred seal
#

Yea, I would put MB on anything that was on the same network as that server

cinder lagoon
#

yup

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next question: how do I install MWB on a printer 🤔

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/j

sacred seal
#

Yea, I am not entirely sure what you would do about that

cinder lagoon
#

remove printer from existance is probably the answer

sacred seal
#

Theroretically is a vector for future re infection, but given they used judge they are probably not that sophisicated

cinder lagoon
#

given that I got enfected by judge I'm probably not that sophisitcated :/

#

I even spelled sphisticated wrong ._.

#

again

sacred seal
#

Well no, some port probably got left open by accident. Some automated bot found it and did the attack of its own accord

cinder lagoon
#

so yes, all the ports were left open

sacred seal
#

That would do it

cinder lagoon
#

i definitely need to reinstall on that machine, given that they removed ALL system tools...

sacred seal
#

Yea, the important bit is to get your pictures back

cinder lagoon
#

absolutely

sacred seal
#

Guess you could put them on a USB stick and decrypt them on a different machine

cinder lagoon
#

that would be about 2TB

sacred seal
#

NVM

#

Take the drive out and put it in a caddy?

cinder lagoon
#

yea xF don't have any spare hard drives flying aroung of that size

sacred seal
#

Though that does expose your new system to bieng infected

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
sacred seal
#

Fair enough. I always keep a 3.5" drive reader for situations like this

cinder lagoon
#

wait I DO have a proper (USB) dock

#

... if I re-setup the thing anyways I'm gonna put some form of linux on it...

#

Cheeky...

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cinder lagoon
#

...whats that free NAS solution thats great for virtualization?
just asking in advance so I can start right-away once I've dealt with this

surreal moss
#

TrueNAS?

cinder lagoon
#

I think that's it, thanks

cinder lagoon
#

just filed a complaint with the authorities, curious what will come of it, since I could give them 4 IP addresses

#

hmm problem... the decryptor doesnt let me upload files

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sacred seal
#

Have you uploaded a ransom note yet?

#

Doi, that was what you were doing

cinder lagoon
#

i'm trying it on another PC with the copied files

cinder lagoon
#

always getting Bad Request

cinder lagoon
#

:/

cerulean helm
#

I swear Windows share and credentials are purposely obtuse and annoying. Trying to setup a separate system image backup on my TrueNas server. Created a folder for it, so I have access. A seperate backup is currently ongoing, so clearly I have access.

Yet the new system image network credentials keeps saying they are wrong...

surreal moss
#

New host is pointed to the right ad source?

cerulean helm
#

Its pointed at the same server. Just a different folder this time for separate windows images. I have a backup setup already. Just wanted redundancy.

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Oh wtf. I just figured it out... The username has to be in a specific format of the pc name, followed by the account user. But ignore special characters.

Zero info on that, just trial and error...

#

On that note, I am now creating a 2TB system image and watching the transfer rate of 1.5- 2.2 Gbps. Not bad.

mossy gull
#

That's a 50.- router overhere

surreal moss
cinder lagoon
mossy gull
cinder lagoon
surreal moss
#

That sucks

cinder lagoon
#

Given that information I am currently negotiating with the ransom holder..
I seem to have convinced them that I am a student living in munich with two other guys and that I can barely afford rent with two other people.

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They have made the mistake of using a service that logs IPs to share the 4 test files with me.

#

So I now have 2 probably connected IPs and one definite to share with authorities

cinder lagoon
#

I used an old alt-email for contact btw, my internet presence under that name is practically non-existant

cinder lagoon
#

Ransom holder has offered me the key for 1200 after much negotiating. Ouch. Don't think they'll go much lower...
They have already shared the decryption-program, tho it seems to use some private and public AES-256?
Even tho that is really secure I feel like I should have enough data by now to theoretically calculate the key?
Like given the extra code, known previous + after files - there can only be so many variables...

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sacred seal
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Unfortunately no, modern encryptions are not possible to break with that kind of attack

cinder lagoon
#

:/

cinder lagoon
mossy gull
#

Why do people think 150w is the hard limit for 8-pin power connector, and that you can't get past it?

sonic meadow
#

because thats what the spec says

#

And because that is what the spec says, that's all that can be guaranteed at any and every step of the power delivery chain. Not just the connctor
The connectors limits themselves are irrelevant. The fact that each pin is rated for ~8A, and thus over the three power delivery pairs the connector is rated for ~288w is again.. not relevant.

mossy gull
#

But not sustained

sonic meadow
#

yes, the connector is rated for that. power delivery is more than just the connector

mossy gull
sonic meadow
#

as the PCIe spec says 150w, psu manufacturers dont need to spec the cabling for more than 50w/pair.
as the PCIe spec says 150w, gpu manufacturers dont need to spec the traces coming from the connector for more than 50w per pair

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molex themselves* say 8-9A depending on wire type and diameter used, and list a 30C temp rise over ambient.
So yes, you can definitely go over that. but you are running more in to thermal issues, quality of crimp and crimp fatigue, etc
*https://tools.molex.com/pdm_docs/ps/PS-5556-001-001.pdf page 8

mossy gull
sonic meadow
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heh

mossy gull
#

But really, people need to stop listening to spec sheets, a 14900K also can pull almost 400w, but that isn't on the specsheet.

sonic meadow
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oh, im sure thats on the actual spec/datasheet for that

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the CPU manufacturers are notorious for the figure they provide using watts as a unit being... nebulous in meaning.

cerulean helm
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Finally back up and running. Moved the entire setup to a new desk. Went from a 5 foot long under 2 foot deep desk to a 6 foot long, 2 foot deep desk. Still moving stuff around. Need to center my monitor to my pictures, I just noticed.

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jade scaffold
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very nice

frozen igloo
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Anybody know how to fix the hinge on m40x, my left hinge broke. I have access to a 3d printer

sacred seal
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There are a few files for that

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While I love the m40x, I am always hesitant to recomend them, the hinge fails way to often

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Probably had it less then 2 years?

frozen igloo
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It's been right around 2, It snapped because when I was going to class, it's been gradually getting worse though

frozen igloo
sacred seal
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Not really. I tore mine down, you just have to be careful

frozen igloo
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What are your thoughts on dt770? While i'm still fixing these I'm curious about contenders

cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
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I’m going to be printing a new hinge and reinforcing parts I found, Im just looking at other headphones at around the same price point if I decide to get a new/another pair

jade scaffold
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My friend has had a pair for like 5 years now and they are still intact and they sound pretty good too

frozen igloo
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What ohm do they have? I'm looking at getting the 250ohm

jade scaffold
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There's 80 and 250

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The difference in sound quality isn't much

mossy gull
frozen igloo
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I have a schiit fulla e, the m40x would be the pair I use without a dac/amp

mossy gull
frozen igloo
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I wish I had a different one though it should work with everything I plan on using until a big upgrade

balmy flicker
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does any one know what might cause repeet inputs and or no inputs on a key bord

surreal moss
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Depends on a few things. What keyboard is it?

cinder lagoon
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and is it specfific to single keys

cerulean helm
#

I'm sorry but the 14900KS can pull nearly 400 watts? MSI put an add out with a "one click overclock" to 6.4Ghz on P cores. On what cooler?
I think this will be the first consumer cpu that its required to delid for any overclocking.

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I can't wait to see what the motherboards Vcore is on this "one click" OC.

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cinder lagoon
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6.2GHz on a regular AIO

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4% faster than last gen and 30-40% more power draw

balmy flicker
surreal moss
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Hhmmm it could be age related. The lingest I’ve had anything with Romers is 3 years. Iirc the G910 is from 2018 or so?

balmy flicker
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bord is only 2 years old

surreal moss
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Could also just be dirty and need a cleaning

balmy flicker
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that could be true it got better after tapping it upside down on the table

surreal moss
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Huh, yeah. Only times I had multiple keystrokes with the romers is when I was being especially light on the press

balmy flicker
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I did knotice that If I was exceedingly firm it did better and it does better when I am rant typeing

surreal moss
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There you go. Just be angry all the time

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Seriously though that sounds like it’s either dirty or excessively worn

balmy flicker
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likely a bit of both

surreal moss
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might be a power supply issue

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I mean I’ve had mine for 3 years at a time-

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Wait, I did five years with my first one

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And afaik it’s still going strong

balmy flicker
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hmm I think I need to invest in a detailing kit

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on a similar note did you ever run into one ear going dead on a G935 headsset

surreal moss
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I don’t think I’ve ever run a G935

balmy flicker
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I have had 3 of them and one of its wired only twins

surreal moss
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I switched to Man’O’Wars until this year when I picked up a logitech Pro X

balmy flicker
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all of them have had a ear start to go dead and I got it replaced under warnty

surreal moss
balmy flicker
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it is a nice head seat but there are wires used where a PCB should have been and they are like 40 gauge wires to boot

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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You always bring up Nvidia with the power increases but at current Nvidia have the most efficient GPUs

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By a pretty wide margine too

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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It is better though on average 5% better

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And in actual use will only pull 300w Vs amds 355w for the same performance

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Unless you are making super heavy use of both the RT and tensor cores NVidia GPUs don't even come close to pulling the amount of power their tdp rates then for

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Where as AMDs tend to pull tdp regardless of if their matrix and RT cores are in use or not

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There are genuinely some games where the 4090 only pulls as much power as the 7900xtx

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And the 4090 is monumentally faster

mossy gull
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More like 2% to 3% better, which is basically an overclock and not worth a whole new card.

jade scaffold
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2-3% for 200 less

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Coulda just dropped the price of the OG 4080 but advertising

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Doesn't make it any less superior efficiency wise to amd

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It depends what model you get too

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There are aib models which will still be 1300

mossy gull
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Nope, both start at 1200.-

jade scaffold
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That's the same with any card though you will always have cheap variants

jade scaffold
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Also in the us sales price doesn't include tax

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It's 1000usd +what ever tax a region has

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I can get a 4080 super in the UK for sub 1000

mossy gull
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With founders going for past 1600.-

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7900XTX goes for around 950.- in this area.

jade scaffold
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That's terrible pricing

mossy gull
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I guess Nvidia is taxing us

jade scaffold
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I can get a 7900xtx for sub 900

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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A 7900xtx is going to be cheaper than a 4080 nomatter what there's more of them and they aren't useful outside of gaming and certain types of rendering

mossy gull
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7900XTX and 4080 use to be around 1200.- here, but as soon the 4080 Super launched the 7900XTX got under 1K and the 4080 Super got the price from the 4080

jade scaffold
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5090 is looking exciting

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512 bit memory bus width possibly 32gb of ram

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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We only know that they've been experimenting with a 32gb config

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The 512bit bus though is the exciting part

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Gddr7 at 512bit it's no HBM 3e but that's insanely fast pushing 1.5tb/s fast

mossy gull
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My brother came downstairs yesterday, pissed off that the 5090 gets 24GB again😅
That's how I remember it.

jade scaffold
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Yea we don't know at the moment we just know 32gb was tested

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32gb might eat into their quadro sales possibly so they might not do it but it is possible

mossy gull
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Before you ask, he's a "I sit at home unable to work and get free money"

jade scaffold
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Yea the 5090 will be more than fast enough to make use of such memory speeds

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I can overclock my 3090 memory speeds by 1250mhz and I see a notable improvement in framerates especially minimums

mossy gull
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For me it's purely VRAM capacity that I need, paying 2K more just to have a higher fps in games isn't worth it to me.
My monitors are capped at 100Hz anyways

jade scaffold
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The 5090 will be in excess of 2.5x the speed of the 3090 so such high memory bandwidth might actually be needed especially at 4k

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I'm guessing the 5090 might actually approach 3x the speed of the 3090

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It's at a minimum 50% faster than the 4090 that much we know

mossy gull
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Till it comes out I won't take those speeds at heart.

jade scaffold
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Weird designation for it's die as well GB202

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What we know for sure is that it'll have 6000-10000 more cores than the 4090 likely arround 8000 more if previous gens die overheads are anything to go by

IPC will be higher

It will use gddr7 at what most people agree will be 512 bit bus (24-32gb?)

And we know GB100 will likely be capable of pulling near KW levels of power

mossy gull
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We haven't heard shite from Intel and AMD, I am curious what they come up with.

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Only thing I remember from last year that AMD RX 8000 series only will be medium range GPUs, I don't know what that means, if AMD figured out how to combine 2 or more medium range GPUs they can come close if not beat Nvidia.
Intel is just being quiet

jade scaffold
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I think AMD are gonna focus on making a 7900xtx tier GPU that's affordable

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Imaging a 7900xtx for 600usd

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Or maybe even less

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I think they want to try completely take the mid range and low end market from Nvidia

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Which I think they should definitely try do

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Exactly

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The issue with amd isn't that their cards are bad value

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It's that they just can't swipe the market from under Nvidia they need to focus on massively better value even more so than before and insane advertising

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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And vega

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And Rx 5000

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They have alot of reputation in the GPU space to make up

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Vega FEs launch was disastrous

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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It ran dangerously hot because of its limited fan speed was absolutely curb stomped in efficiency it's drivers were objectively ass though got better later

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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The studio drivers were still ass

mossy gull
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They were great🤣

jade scaffold
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And their efficiency was still none existent

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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300w tdp and for what the ability to get out done by the 1080ti in everything because it was so much faster

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Even in vram intensive applications the 1080ti wonne via brute force

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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The thing is with vram you can offset having less vram by vram being faster and having more GPU cache

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The 1080ti had more cache and despite it's memory being slower the 1080ti would work through it's memory monumentally faster

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Also the Vegas like GPU wise weren't fast enough to run RE remake without chugging on max settings that's what people mean when they say HBM was wasted on vega

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Because the Vega GPU was so slow it pulled almost 1.5x the power it's competition did with only the FE which cost almost as much as the quadros at the time did having any actual advantage that being it's much higher vram capacity

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Wanna know something additionally really funny Vegas HBM wasn't even faster than the 1080tis GDDR5X
Despite being super expensive HBM

I love the idea of HBM GPUs but I hate Vega amds first decent launch since the R9 was Rx 6000 not including them re releasing Polaris 5 separate times

mossy gull
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Sometimes having more is better than having faster VRAM.
Especially when render engines are pure poop.

jade scaffold
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Vega in general was a disaster though FE launched with only 1 driver which didn't work properly

And for the varient of the FE that didn't burn itself up you could buy 2 1080tis

And if you didn't need the 32gb of vram you could get the 64 but why would you it lost to the bog standard 1080 in everything and was just as expensive and pulled over 1.3x the power

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The best thing to come out of Vega was Nvidia panic releasing the 1070ti which was basically just a cheaper 1080

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Go competition I guess

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Yea you didn't experience launch drivers then

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A bit after launch Vega was fine

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Still comically inefficient

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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But it wasn't none functional burning up and constantly crashing

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Then amd made the Vega VII which not a soul bought because it was stupid and despite literally being node shrunk Vega had all new included driver issues then they made Rx 5000 which again launched totally unusable

Then they released rx6000 which had a perfect launch and actually competed with Nvidia even at the flagship level

Then 7000 was mostly fine bar the vapor chamber defect thing and them stopping updating rx6000s drivers so they could keep ontop of 7000s

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Which lasted 6 months or so before they were able to get back to 6000

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Rx5000s drivers have recently started to fall apart again my friend who bought one at launch is probably never getting an AMD GPU again because of that card which is unfortunate but it's exactly AMDs problem and why they are so outsold by Nvidia

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Amd for the next like 2 or 3 launches need to launch flawless to re earn their reputation

rancid plank
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Man you know a lot about graphics cards

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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That's because when amd have a broken driver it's hilariously broken

mossy gull
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I believe the Vapor Chamber issue on the RX7000 series were caused by crypto miners that power washed the GPUs to make them look like new.

jade scaffold
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When an Nvidia driver is broken which they almost never are it's something silly like the overlay gets stuck and you have to mash the overlay button to get rid of it not the driver timing out or flat out being incapable of loading an area in a game

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Intel though people are plenty critical of

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Though people are willing to be a little more lenient because they've never made an actual dedicated GPU till recently and their GPU team is so very tiny

mossy gull
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I once had very broken Nvidia drivers😅

jade scaffold
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Which was likely just a corrupt download

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The worst I've had from Nvidia in the past 8 years is csgo crashing for like 3 days

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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The worst I've had from amd is everything ran on the GPU maxing the GPU lagging to hell and crashing

My friend has a 5700xt recently he asked me if he could have his 1050ti back it's dreadful

mossy gull
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And on a 2070 the driver caused the GPU to thermal throttle to 0.4 GHz and kept it there till you did a complete reboot

jade scaffold
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The 5700xt launched with drivers so bad it was outperformed in some cases by a GT 1030

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Then they fixed them 6 months or so later

mossy gull
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5700XT was a shitty card.

jade scaffold
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Then they've started breaking again

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Hardware wise it's great

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Good value too at the time

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But amd refuses to support their drivers we are lucky Rx 6000 didn't have any major issues when amd literally abandoned them

mossy gull
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RX6000 get new features everytime though

jade scaffold
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They abandoned them for a time

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6 months or so and 0 driver updates at one point

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Which is unacceptable

mossy gull
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I never noticed that funny enough 😅
Although AMD only updates mostly when new games are released, Studio drivers get more updates.

jade scaffold
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Not one update for either driver for 6 months

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Luckily there wasn't any major issues when they decided to dip out for a bit to make sure 7000 went smoothly

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Then there was the anti lag bug which was pretty funny

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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It wasn't

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It was and just being bad at driver development

mossy gull
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I never have this anti-lag stuff on so I guess I never felt a thing

jade scaffold
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It triggered pretty much every anti cheat around
And quickly pulled the feature to redevelop it not to piss off every half functional anti cheat

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Recently got reintroduced

mossy gull
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What Anti Cheat is fully functional 😅

jade scaffold
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Well "recently"

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Also the vapor chamber issue was an AMD issue or rather their supplier for the cooler

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They did offer replacements and what's not so not honestly a huge deal imo

mossy gull
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At least they acknowledged it

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Nvidia's 12-pin is a disaster and Nvidia doesn't even acknowledge it.

jade scaffold
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I'd rather have a physical issue that I can fix via rma in a week than software having never ending seizures for a month luckily their last 2 launches have been mostly positive just a little more AMD and people may start forgiving you

mossy gull
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Nvidia needs to reintroduce the 45° 12-pin connector and stop complaining it's "too expensive" when they release a 3K costing card.

jade scaffold
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Got a new 12 pin now

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Seasonic straight up made their connector out of a ceramic that shit will not melt

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Hopefully

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I think the release cables are LL gonna be 94V-0 plastic

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Which is flame retardant plastic good thanks fills me with confidence

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Can't wait to plug a 500w+ GPU in with one wire that may or may not overheat

mossy gull
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The problem still persist, if the connector ain't burning it's something else.
I hope we get the power pass through like some of those concepts like Aorus Project Stealth I think it was called

old otter
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Oh dear, that's scary

mossy gull
# old otter Oh dear, that's scary

Burn baby burn😅
If you follow the guidelines you should be okay, it's just the issues were so bad that AMD and Intel stopped using the 12-pin before the card's release.

old otter
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Wow

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I feel out of the news circles for a bit

frozen igloo
mossy gull
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Fun fact: a Hard Drive full of data is lighter than 1 that's brand new.

cinder lagoon
cerulean helm
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Well, Igor's Lab just dropped a huge news story about water cooling radiators. Looks like some brands are using lead for soldering and using brass instead of the advertised copper.

Notable brands include EKWB, Corsair, Thermaltake.

cinder lagoon
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Ouch, thats gonna be a PR hit at EKWB (who had perfect standings up until now to my knowledge)

cerulean helm
cinder lagoon
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Thx

jade scaffold
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damn EK really

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for the price of their stuff

old otter
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Wow, good to know

cinder lagoon
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Soo... uhhh.. don't drink your Watercooling loop water?

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Then you must've drank chemicals lol

mossy gull
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I refresh it every month at least once

cinder lagoon
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Ohh wtf. Why don't you use herbicides and leave it be for like a year?

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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confusion intensifies

surreal moss
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If the system the water is in isn’t designed to be potable then don’t drink it!

mossy gull
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I only done it once, don't worry guys, I was just curious

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I feel like I am already dying so I do weird shite

cinder lagoon
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Arent we all a little bit? :D

mossy gull
# cinder lagoon Arent we all a little bit? :D

I mean I have full body Hyperesthesia I think it's called, I slowly become allergic to more and more foods, I need these electric plates on my body to reduce the pain and I can't work full days anymore, and I am 29

old otter
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Wow that's a lot to deal with, your a strong person but don't drink your calling water

mossy gull
old otter
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Just be careful, I don't want to lose more people

mossy gull
old otter
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Hehe

jade scaffold
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Wanted to do a full custom loop to cool my thicc CPU and possibly the next gen GPU if it doesn't fit with it's air cooler

sonic meadow
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blocks dont tend to be soldered, they are often milled from a single piece of metal

jade scaffold
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Yea

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Usually totally nickel plated anyway

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No one else makes sp5 water blocks

sonic meadow
cinder lagoon
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Tho skived is not as good as milled because it changes the structure and greatly affects the heat transfer

jade scaffold
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NVidia oh my god

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B100 (Next gen) on the left H100 (current gen) on the right

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look at the size of that thing

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208 Billion Transistors vs the H100s 80 Billion all on TSMCs 3n Node

jade scaffold
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another note about B100 its actually 2 GPUs
its not a singular Monolithic GPU its 2 of them stitched together

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a multi GPU chip with 0 cache coherency issues which should excite @mossy gull because it'll be cool to see what AMD do next to compete or if they even try

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea which they need to do because their RT cores are a bit behind NVidias so brute force should hopefully help them catch ip

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Jeesus christ

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look at the power pins

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look at all the PCIE ports just tacked onto it xD

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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lmao

sacred seal
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Got more of a jolly rogers vibe IMO

jade scaffold
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i wonder if the 5090 will be a 2 Chip design like the new blackwell chip

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or if the 5090 will only be equivilent to half

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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possibly

mossy gull
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But hey, all we can do is hope

jade scaffold
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though seeing B100 the sheer size of the 2 GPUs that make it up make me think its unlikely they can actually compete with a 5090

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the 5090 will be interesting tho to see if its MCM or if its just a monolithic die

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if its just monolithic then maybe amd can built a competitor

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which would be interesting to see

sacred seal
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I'd guess monolithic, they don't really need to go MCM to beat AMD and MCM for gaming is probably more complicated then for compute

jade scaffold
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NVidias MCM chip acts as 1 chip it is just one chip in effect

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the link they are using is so fast that all the L2 Cache on them is linked

sacred seal
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Same with first gen ryzen. That had some big teething issues

jade scaffold
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first gen ryzen cant share cache

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infact only Epyc is capable of sharing cache

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if you have a 7950x the 2 32mb CCDs do not pool their cache into 1 big 64MB chunk

sacred seal
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Ah, my bad then, I thought l3 was shared for some reason.

jade scaffold
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even on EPYC with its much faster link its only kinda Pooled
if you have a 4CCD EPYC Genoa then the Cache is pooled flawlessly
if you have more than 4 CCDs it Pools cache with a small latency penalty

sacred seal
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Still, I can definitely see there being issues with a first gen CCD design when it comes to something like gaming where it would be less of an issue with raw compute

jade scaffold
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Blackwell isnt actually the first gen MCM they have made

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hopper has an MCM chip which uses a link thats not quite as fast

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NVidia are saying to fix the issues they had with H100 they completely redesigned the link which is now capable of 10 Terrabytes Per second no memory locality issues no cache issues infact neither chip that make it up actually are aware of which side of the chip they are on

sacred seal
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Did nvidia actually ship any MCM hopper chips?

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Best I can tell the h100 (highest end) is not

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There was a prototype made with MCM based on hopper, but I dont know if there is any actual shipped products with it

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Granted information is spartan, I could be completely wrong here

jade scaffold
#

H200

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H200 has been shipped and its just 2 H100s like hot glued to eachother

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H200 is weird some companies i know have it but i cant find how they are buying it

sacred seal
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Ok, so h200 is the "prototype" that I saw referenced then. Yea, other then an annoucement in november I cant find jack about it

jade scaffold
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yea some companies do actually have them

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but considering Blackwell isnt far away from launching

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it must have had some kinda issues for them not to have released it more openly by now

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also jeesus christ the AI Performance increases over time are starting to get silly

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the big racks they are making this gen can consume upto 120KW

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120,000W still far more efficient and dense than hopper tho
liquid cooled for obvious reasons water that comes in at about 25c water that leaves 45c at 2 litres per second good god

sacred seal
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The size of the rads on that must be massive

jade scaffold
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oh and a single rack because they've enhanced NVLink so much is also going to be able to act as what is effecivly a single GPU

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1.4 TerraBytes per second of bandwidth both ways on NVLink now

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They really are going to start putting nuclear power stations into datacentres soon arent they

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sacred seal
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There is a crypto mining op "near" where I live that has a solar farm dedicated to it

jade scaffold
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atleast blackwell is much more eiffient
though the blackwell server racks are much much more dense on the account that they are liquid cooled

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sacred seal
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And that is with like asics

jade scaffold
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this is aparently whats needed to train GPT MoE with 1.8 Trillion perametres in 90 Days

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can do what can be done with Hopper with a quarter the GPUs and nearly a quarter the power drain with Blackwell

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still gonna need some nuclear reactors tho soon if they keep scaling this stuff up

sacred seal
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Power demands keep going up, yet we want to legislate electric cars and heat pumps, and no one is willing to build more reactors

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Fortunately we seem to have fusion mostly figured out

jade scaffold
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getting there

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first actual commercial reactor is under production

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the New GPUs are so powerful that they are starting to try to use them to predict the earths weather at high resolution and more accurately than current methods
last gen GPUs could only do it at a 25km scale if you will which lead to missing lots of important details about how for example a hurricain will interact with the land
managed to get that resolution down now to 2km which is actually pretty insane

cerulean helm
jade scaffold
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or 1 whole nvidia gpu server

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each blackwell gpu pulls 1000w you can have 8 of them on one computer

surreal moss
jade scaffold
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need more

surreal moss
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Oh, it just connected this month

jade scaffold
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more reactor more better

sacred seal
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If all the "green" legislation came into effect we are more then doubling our power demands (at least in north amarica). Not counting the increase power for AI compute. One reactor is a not great

jade scaffold
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takes like 5 years to build a full 4 reactor 2 building power plant so they better start building more soon

sacred seal
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Better then nothing to be sure, but solar and wind are not going to cut it

cerulean helm
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More so that a single decent size data server sucks up as much power as 30k-50k homes annually. Power grids in general are not going to be able to keep up.

sacred seal
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And they keep retiring coal and natural gas plants

surreal moss
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Coal and gas keep getting retired because they can’t maintain new standards in a cost effective manner

jade scaffold
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they also just dont produce alot of power for the ammount of logistical work and their pure size

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mini nuclear reactors are quick to build and you can kinda just prop them up anywhere you like

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they should make more of thoes

surreal moss
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Those are all under research though

jade scaffold
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ehhhh

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"under research" is just a fancy way of we CBA doing it the way we know works because its expensive

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we have been able to make really rather compact nuclear reactors for a really really long time now

surreal moss
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The modular ones I’m keen to see roll out

sacred seal
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No, we had a bunch of coal plants retired a couple years back for purely political reasons. Not economic. (well more accurately they were supposed to be converted to natural gas but after bieng shut down aproval to convert was removed)

surreal moss
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The economic reasons were political

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Ultimately though it was the economics of political policy

sacred seal
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SMRs are neat because in theory you can slot them into existing infastrucutre. Dont need a dedicated plant, can just take a coal or NG and convert it

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Unfortuantely scale seems to be an issue, people keep backing out

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And I heard (though I am not sure its true) that they need 100 units to be economical

surreal moss
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They were only approved to build a test/proof of concept one in Idaho this year or next. It’s going to take a few years for that one to even come online.

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A year or two after that and we should see more of them if it goes well

sacred seal
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Canada has a couple projects on the go

cerulean helm
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MI has the Palasades Plant being turned back on. Costing several billion dollars to bring it back online though.

mossy gull
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Fun fact: Cloudflare uses lavalamps to generate random code

mossy gull
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https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-demos-fully-gpu-driven-rendering-through-work-graphs-on-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-with-39-improvement

VideoCardz.com
AMD demos fully GPU-driven rendering through Work Graphs on Radeon ...

Work Graphs on Radeon GPU, up to 39% faster rendering AMD demos the potential of fully GPU-driven rendering.  Microsoft officially announced Work Graphs last week, but the formal introduction is taking place at GDC (Game Developer Conference). Attendees, primarily game developers, are shown the techniques and methods to utilize this new technolo...

cinder lagoon
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Hmm intersting...

jade scaffold
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ooh ive seen that its really cool

mossy gull
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It is, and if like the demo we have 60% performance increase, then damn, that's a lot

jade scaffold
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yea handing more work to the GPU is like really good for performance

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someone re wrote java MCs renderer to use NVidias mesh renderer which allows the gpu to load as many chunks as it has memory capable of using which is actually an insane sight

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also I reduced my idle power draw

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yay im no longer pulling 130w on the CPU i have achived this by taking the CPU out of its "stable" mode meaning the infinity fabric clock can now drop lower when at idle and also boost even higher than before when under boost

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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Yea

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All the less stable mode does is allow the Io to down clock like on a normal computer if you have something turbo latency sensitive it can have an effect if not it won't tho

jade scaffold
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its new earpads and headband time for my LCD 2Cs

hasty rose
jade scaffold
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MSI really trying to get rid of thoes exceedingly pricy prebuilts

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1k for a pc with a 60 series card in it Christ all mighty

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Atleast the free monitor makes up for it on the discounted ones

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Free 27 inch monitor keyboard mouse and 4060 pc for less than a grand that's atleast reasonable

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A good monitor can be worth like 250+ on its own at 27 inch

hasty rose
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Nvm its a specific monitor...

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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It's only that pro one on the pro desktops it's some other gaming one on the gaming desktops I believe

cerulean helm
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Sure its 1440p, but its W-OLED.

jade scaffold
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Not dreadful pricing but I'd wait for a sale I got my g9 QD OLED for nothing on sale for it being dual 240hz 1440p monitors

cerulean helm
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Thats a 49 inch curved, and a 32:9 aspect ratio monitor. Not exactly an exact trade off for a single or dual 16:9 non curved W-OLED.

jade scaffold
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Yea I'm just saying I got a g9 OLED for like 1.2k which is very low for the amount of OLED monitor 700 is a decent base price but imagine if it goes on sale even 100 dollar off puts it on the same value as my g9 was

sacred seal
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Is anyone else's youtube being wierd? I'm scrolling through shorts and I keep getting these same videos which are more like ads. However they dont have controls on the side like normal shorts do, unless I refresh the page. They also seem to ignore the "dont recommend this channel"

mossy gull
# cerulean helm Sure its 1440p, but its W-OLED.

WOLED currently has the advantage of being more developed and having already a rather low burn-in chance compared to QD-OLED.

My personal opinion, to me WOLED is still superior, the colour on QD-OLED for me are still too blue, but then my eyes are very sensitive to any kinda UV light.

cinder lagoon
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Any of yall here know a bit about Rpi 4 (CM4) hardware or pcb rpair in general? I think I fried my IO board's I²C Fan controller and the whole I²C bus is now just garbage

jade scaffold
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oh no

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is it just the controler thats fried

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if so it shouldnt be too hard to just replace
if the bus itself is dead its probably dead dead

cinder lagoon
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Yeah so thats the thing I hope/suspect that the controller just spits random garbage onto the bus now.

jade scaffold
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whats the controler look like is it BGA or is it just like a standard surface mount component looking thing

cinder lagoon
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Hey I think I have fried a component on my RPi CM4 IO board.
It's been a while since I used my Pi and I vaguely remember what happened but I think I accidentally shorted some pins of either the FAN or PSU header while the board was live and it seems to have fried the chip U11 (Datasheet, page 12)

I had already made a thread here, detailing the software-side errors this caused, mainly broken I²C but I didn't think that this was caused by a short in what seems to be the Fan controller.
⁠I2C Bus Empty Except Full On 20…
Specifically when I slipped with my tweezers (while unplugging the fan) the U11 chip seemed to have started glowing and that one's obviously bust BUT Since I need I²C for my next project I wanted to know wether I can maybe fix the IO board by replacing the chip.

If anybody has some insight into this if it may have also damaged the CM4 itself or just corrupted the I²C bus because still broken chip is connected to it I would be very grateful!

Thanks in advance!
Here are some pictures of the chip in question, as you can probably see there's some kind of dot on it. I think that's where I saw the glow
I do have pretty good soldering skills.

I'm also wondering wether you know of any way to find retailers of SMDs that are closeby as I would pay 20€ for shipping of the replacement part on mouser
https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/886-EMC2301-1-ACZLTR

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Linux shows following i2c buses in /dev/:
0 1 10 20 21 22
i2cdetect -y X is completely empty, regardless of devices connected.
There is the exception of both 20 & 21, which are completely filled with seemingly gibberish.

detailed i2cdetect output: https://pastebin.com/dtGYbWQm

dmesg output:

[seconds, truncated]
[   1 ] i2c_dev: i2c /dev entries driver
[   1 ] brcmstb-i2c fef04500.i2c: @97500hz registered in polling mode
[   1 ] brcmstb-i2c fef09500.i2c: @97500hz registered in polling mode
i2c i2c-22: Added multiplexed i2c bus 0
i2c i2c-22: Added multiplexed i2c bus 10
[   8 ] mcp251x spi0.0 can0: MCP2515 succesfully initialized
...
[  44 ] i2c-bcm2835 fe205000.i2c: i2c transfer timed out
[  45 ] i2c-bcm2835 fe205000.i2c: i2c transfer timed out
[  46 ] i2c-bcm2835 fe205000.i2c: i2c transfer timed out
...
[ 277 ] i2c-bcm2835 fe205000.i2c: i2c transfer timed out
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Chip in question close-up

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jade scaffold
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okey that should be pretty easy to replace

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its not a BGA chip which can be alot harder to replace

cinder lagoon
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Yea I figured (I've been watching Louis Rossman occasionally) and I've done my fair share of small soldering

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BUT given that the chip with shipping costs 26€ from mouser and a new board is about 40€ I'm wondering wether to take the risk

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I guess I can at least desolder the obviously broken one and see if the gibberish stops

sonic meadow
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Might be worth checking ebay/china for reclaimed/cloned chips at that price. Buyer beware obviously

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Ah yes width

cinder lagoon
mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Hehe copped myself 2 new Coasters 🔥

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mossy gull
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I recently got my family's old Area-51m R1.
But the CMOS is dead.
Would it be an idea to hardwire the CMOS port to the battery?
Or is that incredibly dumb?

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Like most laptops use the battery as the CMOS, so I was thinking to do the same with the Area-51m

cinder lagoon
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Wait what exactly do you mean?
The CMOS chip is dead or the built-in battery?

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And what port?

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Hmmm the batteries are usually rechargable so if you give it power it should be fine after a while

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If it doesn't even accept any power thats an incredibly stupid design

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Button cells are litium-ion batteries, they are somewhat rechargable if you give em some voltage

mossy gull
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The Area-51m R1 isn't even that old

cinder lagoon
mossy gull
# cinder lagoon Hmm weird

Exactly, that's why I actually want to hardwire the CMOS battery port to the main battery, then I don't have to worry about the CMOS anymore

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This is the type of CMOS the Area-51m has

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sonic meadow
cinder lagoon