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deft star
olive fiber
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Went and got the wireless version of the M65.. it's so nice. It feels a little bit better than the older wired one in most every way.

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The Corsair M65 with the precision aim mode thing. The wheel is smoother, buttons feel nicer, everything

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Even the finger and thumb rests feel like rubber, but they're absolutely not. Which is nice, because usually the rubber degrades on the logitech ones

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I don't know why, but I just like touching it.

timber barn
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Steamdeck is awesome, zero regrets

jade scaffold
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the steam deck is cool but for me it lacks performance imo

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its insanely slow compared to its competition as well as being less efficient

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the build quality is aparently great and the track pads look really helpful for using the deck
but i cant get over it being so wimpy in terms of performance and efficiency

cinder lagoon
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I think you don't know how proprietary that thing is... With the stupid Laptop GPU dock for like 75% more than it should cost at max

mossy gull
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its not tho?

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they could have just used Thunderbolt 3/4 or USB 4

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theres actually no valid reason for a proprietary E-GPU Connector

cinder lagoon
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Neither for offering a single bad deal eGPU

jade scaffold
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yea thats dumb

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EGPU enclosures are dumb

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why do they cost £300+

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theres no actual good reason for that
They have next to no onboard logic, the most complex thing they might contain is a PSU and honestly a 400w PSU isnt gonna cost alot for a company to shove in a metal enclosure

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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and?

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the 30w CPU in thoes things cant keep up with anything that can make use of a gen 4 x 8 lane

mossy gull
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The Asus offers the 4090 Laptop on their highest

jade scaffold
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yea thats stupid

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and would also still function off a 4x lane without much of any bottleknecking

jade scaffold
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yes a poorly binned low clocked 4080

mossy gull
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4080 does benefit with the 4.0 x8 over the x4

jade scaffold
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and?

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guess what doesnt

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a 30w APU

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you COULD make the argument if mobile devices big enough to cool a CPU powerful enough to keep up with some bootleg 4070ti didnt already have a laptop 4080/4090 in them already

mossy gull
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I personally like the GPU port idea, I use to have an Alienware 13 OLED and the GPU port actually had less latency and tad higher fps than Thunderbolt options.

jade scaffold
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i dont

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its blatantly a trash idea made to sell extra garbage

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you want an upgradable GPU for your laptop
Slot in GPUs should be how you do it not some crappy proprietary dock

mossy gull
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On Alienware it was a normal GPU dock, you could put in a Desktop card.
Not like Asus

jade scaffold
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thats still dumb, because the docks cost a unreasonable ammount

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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and most desktop GPUs are so massivly faster than the CPU in a Laptop the laptops cant catch up anyway leaving you in the fun grey zone of potato performance with tripple the cost

jade scaffold
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and with better performance probably too

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they should just use one of the many Hotswapable PCIE Standards that are arround

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there are several that are already built to handle future generations of PCIE so the connectors will be arround a while

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that way you can just get a gen 5x4 slot out of your device into literally anything you want

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea because it wasnt having to go through a USB C cable of questionable Quality

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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the added latency is soley down to the quality of the wire you use

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PCIE Traces have to have identical lengths

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somthing which USB Cable manufacturers dont tend to take into account to the same extent PCIE Riser or Motherboard manufactuers do

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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which a stupid custom slot will do anyway

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like ASUSs one

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the only way you get arround that is direct PCIE to PCIE no fuckery

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and in which case why are you using a custom one

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we've had thoes cheap bastards in the server space for like 10 years

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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saying "oh we want the full performance" is no reason a connector to be proprietary

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other than to make yourself more money

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which is dumb

mossy gull
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I always been a fan of external GPUs.
I went from the Fujitsu SA3650 to Alienware 13 OLED.
Sadly after that they stopped.

jade scaffold
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if you're gonna make an external GPU for your Laptop
USE A SERVER CONNECTOR

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not only will it be more reliable it'll be more accessible

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But no company will do that because they are all scum

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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or just have PCIE Release a standard External PCIE connector

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea because external GPUs are fuckin dumb

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and become increasingly more dumb every year that goes by

mossy gull
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I don't mind them though.
Powerful gaming system at home, efficient system on the go.

jade scaffold
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or with the rapidly increasing speed of celular networks you can just take a thin and light with 12 hours of battery with you and just ya know remote into a desktop

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then you have all that power on the go

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where ever you are with a laptop you could throw like a frisbee

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you cant even make the latency argument anymore

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea and you dont need to game while traveling an no laptop in the world can game for more than an hour and a half at any reasonable resolution before burning you or running out of power

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and if you can afford a laptop with a powerful enough CPU to use with an E GPU you can afford a celular plan with unlimited data? like cell plans are cheap af these days

mossy gull
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But I have a GPU at home and 1 at work, on the go I can do light work and never change my laptop

jade scaffold
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its not even like modern thin and lights dont have ballin APUs in them good enough for work

mossy gull
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im still running my good old Lenovo Yogabook

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its got some crappy quad core attom in it

mossy gull
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I am running an Asus Zenbook with 2 displays for work, it doesn't have a dedicated GPU

jade scaffold
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would love a refresh of my yoga book with one of intels new N serise CPUs in it or maybe Zen4 C cores from AMD

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a nicer screen too would be great

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but modern thin and lights arent even that thinn half the time

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atleast lenovo are still at it making funky laptops

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maybe they'll make another equivilent to this laptop

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the Yoga Book 9i is cool and all but its too high performance for my wants i just want it to bearly sip power so i can just remote into my desktop

mossy gull
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I don't want an Intel CPU because they're inefficient.
My work laptop has an i7-12700h I think it is and it has less battery than my ROG G15 Advantage Edition

jade scaffold
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I like Intel's all efficiency core chips

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They are crazy efficient

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Amds zen4c ones too

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The thinness of this thing is crazy

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I want more like it

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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It probably is

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But Intel's e cores alone are crazy

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The reason their current chips suffer bad efficiency even with them is because the p cores have to pass stuff to the e cores when it should be the other way round

mossy gull
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The lack of hyperthreads actually makes it feel slow for me

jade scaffold
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words of someone who knows nothing of how sceduling works

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threads dont magically make a CPU faster

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in some cases they can do the opposite

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ands Zen 4 c cores are only marginally faster than intels E cores

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and they have hyperthreading

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the efficiency of both is about the same

mossy gull
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infact intels E cores pull slightly less idle power

jade scaffold
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you've just somehow managed to convince yourself of somthing that isnt there

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whats that effect called

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it has a name and its esacping me

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Placebo effect

mossy gull
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I doubt it's that, it feels generally slower, I usually disable the e-cores because I don't see the benefits at all

jade scaffold
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i dont doubt it

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the Reason AMDs Zen4 C cores have hyperthreading is because they dont actually have less execution units

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intels E cores do have less

mossy gull
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I think I am spoiled how efficient AMD's "p"-cores already are.

jade scaffold
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the performance of Zen4 C is about equivalent per core to Epyc Rome which is Zen 2

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intels E cores are equivilent to the high end 6th gen chips

mossy gull
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My 5900HX is what?
Zen2? Or Zen3?

jade scaffold
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Zen 3

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unless its the wird one that despite having a 5000 names sake is a 3000 chip

mossy gull
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It was a of AMD's top of the line laptop chips

jade scaffold
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yea but AMD are about as good at naming stuff as intel

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some form of 5800 mobile chip is actually a ryzen 3000 chip

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just with a 5000 name which is a touch scummy

mossy gull
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It's pretty efficient even when doing CPU intensive tasks on battery.

jade scaffold
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i mean so is paper launching your Pro line of chips

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but hey ho

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Paper launches are the hot thing since NVidia did it 3 generations in a row

mossy gull
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Wait, since when?
Been with AMD since the RX6000 came onto the market

jade scaffold
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the Threadripper chips

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the low end of the Threadripper pro line up isnt actually real LMAO

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the few chips of it that do exsist are locked to Dell/Lenovo's Wank proprietary mobos

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yes the fuck they are

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lenovo have consistantly locked consumer Ryzen CPUs to their motherboards

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not all of them

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but they do it pretty ofen under the Guise of security

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea they dont do it on all of them

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but any system marketed as a professional system they do it on

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so the CPUs only work with their motherboards

mossy gull
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I don't call professional systems consumer, I call them pro-sumer

jade scaffold
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the idea is if you rob one it wont work in your own motherboard
but this does very little to prevent people just selling them on Ebay

mossy gull
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I usually sell them between some friends of friends.
People here tend to be "cheap" so to say.
So I usually sell a CPU+MB+RAM for 100. - more expensive than the motherboard.
RAM is usually my older RAM.

jade scaffold
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but yea AMD screwed me by paper launching the low end TR Pros

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so im in a kinda funky spot atm

mossy gull
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I am going for the non-pro line-up

jade scaffold
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yea all the none pro ones are there

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anything with 24 cores and up is there

mossy gull
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The 24-core is what I wanted for a while.

jade scaffold
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but my only option is a 2.65k CPU
and why the hell would i go for a 2.65k TR Pro over a 16 core Epyc with 3D Vcache on all cores

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that will cost less than that overall

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because second hand SP5 Mobos are cheap AF compared to WRX90 boards

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regardless 2.55k for a EPYC 9184X is still too much for me

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ill wait for prices to drop

mossy gull
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All I need is a board with PCIe Bifurcation and PCIe 4 x16 on all full size slots

jade scaffold
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good luck with that?

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theres a board with a gen 5 x16 slot 2 gen 4x16 slots and a gen 4x8 slot

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but thats the best you're getting out of HEDT TR

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theres only like 3 Boards for TR atm

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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because the previous one was a Pro platform

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we havent had none pro TRs since ryzen 3000

mossy gull
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But then, why not have full X16 slots when the non-pro TR also has past 64 PCIe 4 lanes

jade scaffold
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the new TR non pros only have 44 Gen 5 lanes

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88 Lanes in total

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but on alot of boars 8 lanes are dedicated to networking 8 more to IO
8 more to Mini sas/other PCIE Connectors

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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no they dont

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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4 lanes are locked to the chipset as such im not counting them

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actually its 8 lanes locked to the chipset

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so you only have 40 gen 5 lanes maximum

mossy gull
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As long I can run 2 GPUs without bottleneck I am happy.

jade scaffold
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you could run 2 GPUs without bottlekneck on a x8 gen 4 lane

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only the 4090 is gonna push a x8 slot

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and even the 4090 is only held back by like 2% on a x8 gen 4 lane

mossy gull
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1 4060Ti 16GB and 1 7900XTX.
With at least 4 SSDs that are all 980 Pro at least.

jade scaffold
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ew samsung SSDs

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please for the love of god pick a brand that A makes long lasting SSDs and B doesnt kill its workers

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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the Corsair SSD is literally 4x as long lasting as a samsung SSD

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its crazy that samsung get away with charging so much for such trash

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like yea they are fast

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but they have terribly high latency

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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they make good hardrives and sata drives generally

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but their NVME Stuff is a joke

mossy gull
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That was like 10 years ago

jade scaffold
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i want to get an optane drive for my boot drive at some point

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea

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primarilly only for their server devision though

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and its not called optane anymore

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but its the same tech

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genuinly how is intel the only brand thats building SSDs to be optimal rather than for marketing numbers that have nearly no real world effect

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Intel of all companies

mossy gull
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To be fair, I am debating if I should go full Corsair with my next build.
Their SSDs are fast enough for me and have high storage

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And they get detected by iCue, which I like to use

jade scaffold
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they also have 4x the maximum writes till failure

mossy gull
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Not 1 SSD has survived longer than my old 96GB Kingston SSD

jade scaffold
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massivly

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samsung have the worst write endurance on NVME SSDs out of any brand by a long shot

jade scaffold
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yea

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exactly

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea

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like they have really fast write speeds

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but abysmal access latency and their write endurance falls behind their competition quite significantly

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this is why i love Used Server SSDs though

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they have unbelievably high write endurance

mossy gull
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I don't want to go for 2nd hand storage MenheraNervousEhehe
I feel like they can fail any second

jade scaffold
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thats why you get used server drives

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they list how much endurance they have left

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usually well over 3x what a samsung drive has
as well as having al the fun data saving features that acompany such drives

mossy gull
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My company uses SSDs for caching, so they get abused a lot

jade scaffold
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yea intel server drives have about 10x the write endurance that a 990 pro has

mossy gull
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they arent any better

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the only difference is they are slower

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Looking at monitors and debating between 21:9 or a 32:9

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at the same time however
this might be too much monitor for my desk

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like that top screen is a 34" 21:9 ultrawide
i did not think a 32:9 would be so much more huge

cinder lagoon
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21 is enough for me, the direct comparison on top of another is great

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32 would be good for sim racing games but honestly at that point just do VR lol

mossy gull
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I say 21:9, much higher compatibility

mossy gull
jade scaffold
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Can't do that

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My desk is too thick for monitor stands

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Not ones that are safe to hold 2 45binvh ultra wide's there's not

mossy gull
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But then I use a mount for 6 normal monitors so I have extra mounts for speakers

jade scaffold
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someone just gave me 33% off a G9 QD Oled

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YOINK

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i hope it fuckin fits

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if not i can send it back its got a 2 month free return

mossy gull
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I am awfully suspicious with QD-OLED currently, I want near perfect pixel dimming, something 1st gen QD-OLED was very bad at.

jade scaffold
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this is a 2nd gen pannel

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and it can do it perfectly aparently

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0.03ms pixel response time

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yee its a decent upgrade for me

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ill let you know

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i currently have a VA Pannel

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which VA can do really good contrast for an LCD panel type

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my poor gpu might suffer though Im going for 3440x1440 to 5120x1440

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wonder if i can do virtual screens

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would be pretty nice to have a roughly 4:3 display for displaying discord then a 21:9 display when playing games

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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oh yea you can do that with Nvidia

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still Super ultrawide 1440p is basically 4K

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its like a million pixles off 4k

mossy gull
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My old 1060 was incapable of doing it flawlessly.
While my 6700XT can upscale/downscale to native display resolution so monitors don't have to adjust

cinder lagoon
olive fiber
timber barn
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Vampire survivors, Brotato, platformers, older console games etc

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For AAA I go pc anyway

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FEZ… there are tons of games which are really fun on the deck

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There is the optimized for deck category which you can browse

jade scaffold
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It fits

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It looks really good

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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sadge :(

barren juniper
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any decent external m.2 drive or m.2 to usb? i have a drive i need to get stuff off of from a dead computer and im too lazy to take apart my other computer to put it in

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has the login to my eve accounts on it

sonic meadow
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(I dont have any suggestions, just bringing up important information)
it depends on whether its a sata m.2 or pcie m.2 ssd

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they have different keying, and enclosures/adaptors are not guaranteed to work with both

barren juniper
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its a b+m key

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hmm you need 35 or more for free shipping. guess im not getting the cheapest thing possible

cinder lagoon
barren juniper
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yeah i found an asus one that might work

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though i first wanna see if i can get the other computer running first as the document i need i believe only has the emails and not the passwords

cinder lagoon
barren juniper
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yeah, it comes with free shipping, which for me would otherwise cost more than it

jade scaffold
sonic meadow
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not inherently, no

jade scaffold
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Though maybe a nvme drive enclosure would be different

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Pretty much all pcs slots will do both if it's an nvme keyed slot. But yea the makers of drive enclosures are probably turbo cheap bastards so I wouldn't expect them to support both

sonic meadow
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NVMe is a post-sata standard, and not compatible with sata devices. some m.2 keyings (the standard physical interface for NVMe drives) support both SATA and NVMe drives. just like some also support USB, and a few other minor buses

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whether or not a host device supports both on a keying that supports both is entirely up to the host device

jade scaffold
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On a pc the PC is already gonna have a sata controller

sonic meadow
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doesnt mean its connected to the m.2 ports

jade scaffold
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Any motherboard that is so cheap that it won't wire the nvme slot into the sats controller is a guaranteed fire hazard

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Even the first gen 320 boards from first gen ryzen had support for both

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And they were piles of shit

sonic meadow
jade scaffold
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As I was about to get to

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Specialised boards can get away with it

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It you are buying a board that has dedicated the entirety of its io lanes to nvme then the chances are you aren't using some sata drive

sonic meadow
jade scaffold
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Triple m.2 on a bx50?

sonic meadow
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thats what it says

jade scaffold
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That does not have the data throughput to support any of that at full speed

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Is it gonna run one of thoes m.2s at 2x speed

sonic meadow
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B650 has 8x 4.0 lanes, and the cpu has another 8 lanes itself

jade scaffold
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Yea that's not alot

sonic meadow
jade scaffold
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Yea that's shit

sonic meadow
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but alot-ness of m.2 ports wasnt the point. the point was about Sata not being ubiquitously available

jade scaffold
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What have mobo manufacturers done

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Yea I guess not anymore

sonic meadow
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ive not even been cherry picking, these are just the first modern boards ive been looking at

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and this random other b450m board supports sata on its one port. and only sata if you have an athlon apu in it

jade scaffold
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That's just odd

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That means it's using the CPU sata lane

sonic meadow
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sata m.2 ssds themselves are becoming less common, and thus being de-emphasized in motherboard offerings

mossy gull
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That's why I always go with the X line-up, even for other people

sonic meadow
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heck I tried finding one recently and the offerings were basically all shit

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I mean, that was a cheap b450 board

jade scaffold
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My b550 aorus mobo supports sata in both m.2 slots

sonic meadow
jade scaffold
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If sata was comming from the chipset on that board that slot would have functional sata on any CPU

sonic meadow
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no? it still needs to actually be wired in

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its not like the traces magically appear

jade scaffold
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On the atholon board

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If the atholon can do sata but a ryzen can't then that sata lane it's using can't be from the chipset

sonic meadow
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the ryzen could though

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it was saying the athlon couldnt do pcie

jade scaffold
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Sorry

sonic meadow
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regardless, the sata comes entirely from the chipset

jade scaffold
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Yea it would in that case then

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Weird how few mobos support dual sata

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For newer boards I get

sonic meadow
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means they either have less sata ports, or need switches

jade scaffold
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Sata is a quickly dying standard

sonic meadow
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which for what these days is such a minor feature is probably considered not worth the cost

jade scaffold
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So it makes sense to support it less

sonic meadow
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sata last got a revision 3 years ago (revision 3.5 according to wikipedia). so its not necessarily dying, just relegated to a secondary thing. likely because consumers arent needing the kinds of storage offerings it provides anymore

jade scaffold
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I would say it's dying
Sata simply offers no advantages over other standards other than being cheap

sonic meadow
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it doesnt tie up precious pcie lanes

jade scaffold
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Due to their low efficiency and density even high end server hardrives are being phased out for ssds

jade scaffold
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If I use all the sata ports on my mobo I loose some pcie lanes

sonic meadow
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been a while since ive seen that. none of the ones I linked above do it

jade scaffold
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That's one thing mobo manufacturers hide in the depths of their websites

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Gigabyte literally will be like you get 6 sata ports with data support in both m.2 slots

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But btw if you plug anything into sata 3/4 you loose pcie to the 4x slot

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Like it would have been nice for that not to be hidden in what ever advanced specification tab I had to get to to see that

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All a chipset does is divy out what ever bandwidth it has usually it's just a big data switch for a 4x pcie slot

sonic meadow
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not.. quite. (about the the divvying out bandwidth part). as things dont always need to talk to the cpu (or devices available from the cpu like ram) the bandwidth between to the cpu isnt the be-all of its capabilities

jade scaffold
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Ehhh

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Kinda is kinda isn't

sonic meadow
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plus things arent always talking at the same time

jade scaffold
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While in theory there's no reason a chipset with a 4x into the CPU can't run 64 lanes worth of gen 3 drives

sonic meadow
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and thus the PLX chip was born, over a decade ago

jade scaffold
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If you run them all at once it won't go very fast

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Older chipsets were especially bad

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B450

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Was awfull

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You plug too much usb into a b450 board it'll actually just eat shit

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Quite literally the only reason I have a b550 mobo today is because b450 can't handle having everything plugged in

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It's also why I was so excited about the new trs

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The equivalent to 32 gen 3 lanes into the chipset alone

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That's an insane amount of bandwidth nomatter what you are very unlikely to overwhelm that

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Not to mention the cpus have a large amount of inbuilt Io for usb sata and nvme takes even more load off the chipset

But alas amd fucking paper launched the 12 and 16 core pro cpus so fuck me I guess

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Low-key very nearly bought an epyc as alternative but the new ones are still a little expensive ATM but I don't think it'll be long till the drop even more

The one I was looking at is already down from 4.5k to 2.5 k

olive fiber
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Got my LG48CX OLED up and running again.. but then realized I couldn't mount my flight sticks to that desk.. since they'd get in the way of me getting out of my U shaped desk ;p

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Looks nice on my mac, at least.

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I could try moving it to the other side of the U.. but that'd be a huge pain

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Against a wall, and in a corner, with a bookcase on the side.

jade scaffold
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What was wrong with it?

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Or were you just not running it

sacred seal
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Finally putting together a server to run AI models on, was wondering if anyone had suggestions for older server models that would work to hold two p40 GPUs so I don't have to spend the next few days looking at every old server on ebay.

jade scaffold
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do you care about noise?

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if no get a 1 u server

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with counter rotating fans that has 2-4 slots in they exist they used to use them for data management and ai when it was starting out

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some can fit 4 cards crammed in the back

sacred seal
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I'm going to stick this in my basement so noise is not a issue

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I was thinking of doing a r715, but I don't know if it would be powerful enough

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I can pick one of those up for like 270cad

jade scaffold
sacred seal
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If I want to dump more then 600$s on gpus I probably will just invest in a better system.

jade scaffold
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Maybe something like this?

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Lots of CPU upgrade choices
Lots of extra GPU expansion

sacred seal
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I would love something with more GPUs, but the ones I am finding are starting at around the 600$ mark

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Seems like a waste to put that much down for a single p40

jade scaffold
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Yea I'm just a bit worried about upgrade potential what kinda CPU does the r715 have? There's like 30 models of the thing

jade scaffold
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I'm worried about memory bandwidth on ddr3

sacred seal
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So like 2500s

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I think it should be fine for my application, I'm planning on keeping the entire model on card

jade scaffold
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Super micro superblade? If you can find a bare bones one if thoes could work

jade scaffold
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Depends on the number of channels I guess 8 channel ddr3 will probs be fine for 2 gpus

sacred seal
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The superblades I am finding for under 1k are even older then the 720

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I'm basically just going to run SD and Llama based models on this thing. Having a AMD GPU in my main rig limits my options, and getting a comprable card to my 6900xt would put me out a grand

jade scaffold
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Yea the only one I've found is a bunch of bare bones empty cases for them which are yea cheap but you gotta populate everything and they are in the UK and only single GPU

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The dell is probs the best option

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Unless you can get an empty server case

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And just throw a ryzen server board in it

sacred seal
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Who says I need a case?

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Worst case I can make one out of plywood

jade scaffold
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Could get a 1u rack case totally empty from eBay for like 40 dollar get a asrock rack server board toss a ryzen 7 of some kind in it and sine ecc memory and you got really quite a competent little server

sacred seal
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Even a cheap ryzen based system is going to set me back more then I would like. A 5800x would cost more then the server alone (and for some reason that is the cheapest r7 processor avaliable right now)

jade scaffold
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No second hand ones

sacred seal
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I'd buy it and put it in my current rig if not for the fact that I have a x370 board

jade scaffold
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I can get a 2700 for like £60 off eBay

sacred seal
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Yea, that's like 100$s cad

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Which puts into perspective just how insainly cheap the 720 is

jade scaffold
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Yea

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You could try it

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But I am worried about memory bandwidth

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Can always resell it if it doesn't work out

sacred seal
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Yea.

jade scaffold
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Wonder if I can pull enough stuff out of my main pc to fit a 25gb network card then I can have all my storage on a external server and still get decent SSD speed

sacred seal
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Ironically I already have a spare 64GBs of ddr4, and a 2tb nvme ssd, so I really just need to CPU and mobo. But even on the cheap end thats still way more then an entire server

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Heck, just buying a 850 watt PSU is more expensive then the 720 right now

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Hopefully they don't have some stupid lock on the system where it wont boot with less then 2 1100 watt PSUs

jade scaffold
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Dell's old systems are usually devoid of such fuckery

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Also micron stop tempting me

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I really want one of thoes big stick SSDs honestly just for the novelty of them

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Long boi

sacred seal
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That's not even that good of a price for NVME type hardware, I payed that much for a gen 4 SSD

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Granted those would have way more endurance

jade scaffold
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It's 4tb

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The endurance on it will be like 20k tb

sacred seal
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Yea, my p3+ was 250$ cad for 4TB

jade scaffold
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I cannot get a p3 here for that cheap

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It's like £220 here

sacred seal
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Got to love international shopping. What is cheap for you costs a mint for me, and what costs a mint for me is cheap for you

jade scaffold
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yep

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I can still get intel drives for like £40 for the 2 tb ones

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Which is good enough for me

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Do still want an E1.L SSD though can't exactly use one because I don't have a gen 5 CPU but still

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£350 for a 7.68tb gen 5 SSD isn't bad huh

cinder lagoon
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On the black friday shopping Stream LTT found a 4TB name gen 4 SSD for 150 bucks I was flummoxed

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Had no dram iirc but DAAAANG

jade scaffold
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Dramless is fine if you are only gaming on it

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I need to get a new boot drive too my current one has degraded in speed dramatically lmao

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Maybe I'll get a pcie gen 4 optane

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The 5800x optane drive is 4 to 5x faster than any gen4 nvme flash drive has a Q depth of 1 and a 143,000 tb write endurance

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That write endurance is not a typo that's insanity

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The highest end version has 292,000tb write endurance good god.
Talk about long lasting

cinder lagoon
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or did they 🤔

jade scaffold
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Consumer optane is eol

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But they made a gen 4 drive for servers and workstations

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Immensely fast

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Like actuall near ddr3 speeds I believe

jade scaffold
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even the gen 3 optanes though looking into them out perform the 990 pro

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in things such as loading and updating windows

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like MASSIVLY

sacred seal
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I thought they diddn't actually have that much speed, just really low latency

jade scaffold
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same effect low latency ram has if you will

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lowkey sub 10 second windows boot time

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game loading is a mixed bag however

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it depends on how well optimised the games loading is

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a well built game will achive the high speed a drive like the 990 pro is capable off but one that has poorly optimised loading like for example star citizen will not
Thats when somthing like optane will enormously outperform a 990 pro

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thats first gen optane by the way im comparing the 990 too btw
2nd gen PCIE 4 Optane has the same sequential read writes as the 990 pro in effect with all the latency benifits of optane

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I am saddend to see it go from the consumer and prosumer space
because Optane really is a phenominal technology and a objectivly superior option to current NAND Flash in use cases where storage density/capacity isnt the primary concern

sonic meadow
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I love a healthy network

mossy gull
sonic meadow
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Yes, yes it is

jade scaffold
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Oh jeez

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4 hours for 7gb

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You should try boot a game at that speeds and see what happens

sonic meadow
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not my pc, not my monkeys 🙈

pearl moon
surreal moss
#

The new model has been calling to me

sonic meadow
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the OLED calls us all in to its vibrant embrace

jade scaffold
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OLED has been getting alot better in terms of life span

cerulean helm
cinder lagoon
#

everything unify is kinda impressive tbh they make networking pretty easy

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...well at least while still giving deep control

olive fiber
# jade scaffold Or were you just not running it

Yeah, just wasn't using it. Some of the artifacts from any OLED on using them for a computer monitor.. text rendering issues, etc, were real annoying for me. But otherwise was fine for games and movies

silk jasper
#

Hey lads so I’ve just gotten a new Lenovo Legion 5 Slim and I’m having a few inconveniences with it was wondering if anyone had any ideas. Long story short it doesn’t load up certain games like Roblox Minecraft and other games if the sorts very well and it tends to have a black screen here and there for extended periods. Atop this for instance when loading Minecraft per se it doesn’t give me a crash report or anything it just stops trying and that’s it. Does anyone have any suggestions?

cinder lagoon
silk jasper
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So Steam games do load at least Phasmophobia. It’s loaded up normally normal speed normal everything. Minecraft for instance has been both modded and vanilla clean install both ways and it’s done neither.

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When it does load Minecraft it’s exceptionally slow

cinder lagoon
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I already see a commonality between roblox and minecraft, both use OpenGL to render. Roblox seems to be able to switch to another graphics API

silk jasper
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Recommendations?

cinder lagoon
silk jasper
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It’s not running warm at all in fact it’s remarkably cool it doesn’t get passed warm when it does game

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Though I like to keep my fans nice and cool

cinder lagoon
silk jasper
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Bad photo sorry if it’s not good enough

Max settings which leads me to believe it’s not the laptop being bad

cinder lagoon
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ohh so its a modpack. no issues with vanilla minecraft?

silk jasper
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It takes a abysmal amount of time to load up in fact I’d say the modded one loads faster but crashes on using the menu

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But still both abysmally slow

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Roblox is a bit worse for loading times

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In fact I normally have to run the application a few times same with Minecraft

cinder lagoon
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I assume that is during boot-up of the game? or is the CPU usage that high in the menu / ingame?

silk jasper
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It was bootup

cinder lagoon
silk jasper
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Referencing vanilla sorry

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Modded takes a second but once it gets going it’s fine this laptop is or at least should be well within its limits to handle it.

cinder lagoon
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well I can certainly help with the minecraft problem, but I suggest to keep the chat clean we should switch to a thread in #1048667464558444692

silk jasper
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But I can never get passed the menu and never get a crash report

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Oki

cinder lagoon
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ping me in the thread

silk jasper
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Okay

cinder lagoon
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don't need to formulate all again I think, we'll just put a message link to here

mossy gull
cerulean helm
# mossy gull And useless for majority of people

Why? I can see a perfect use. Exactly one I could have used had I not wanted a dream machine and stayed with my cloud key gen 2. I have a separate detached garage. And wifi from a router or even a standard mesh setup (I had a linksys mesh) was spotty and constantly dropped out.

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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It also has Unifi network built in and isn't anywhere close to as expensive as the dream router. Amplifi is way way more expensive, as is the dream machine.

mossy gull
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UDM Pro/SE/Wall are meant for people who need a lotMenheraNervousEhehe

cerulean helm
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A single amplifi router is $379... A router and mesh point combo is $700. The Dream Machine is $300.

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The Express, with full access to the Unifi Network program is $150

mossy gull
cerulean helm
mossy gull
cerulean helm
#
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The HD router is $150 and has less features than the new Unifi Express. Also out of stock. The Amplifi Instant system is $170 and the Instant Router is $99.

mossy gull
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All Amplifi producs are mesh capable though.
But I can understand why people want Unifi access, it's a breeze to work with(unless everything goes wrong)

cerulean helm
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Amplifi is way to expensive for the top product where it actually has features and the lower teir stuff is trash.

mossy gull
#

@cerulean helm just know 1 thing.
Unifi capable devices do not have a name or password when setting up, you also need a Unifi account to activate a Unifi capable device.
So that they say it's set-up under 5 minutes, that's simply not true if you never worked with it.

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They ain't plug-and-play devices, unless you already have 1 in your possession.

cerulean helm
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You need an account for Orbi, Linksys mesh networks, hell the regular isp devices reguire a login. Thats not an argument here.

mossy gull
cerulean helm
surreal moss
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Linksys has used accounts for almost if not at least a decade now

cerulean helm
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Yup, I have an old Linksys mesh network before the 5ghz band opened up.

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Damn thing was stupid expensive.

mossy gull
surreal moss
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and you don't have to have an account to use Unifi stuff

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Just makes it easier

mossy gull
surreal moss
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That's a literal cloud gateway

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One of the exceptions

mossy gull
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Yes, and Ruhk wants 1 of the gateways.

surreal moss
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They're good. Not sure I would use one in a personal set up

cerulean helm
#

Anyways, here are the specs for The Express from Ubiquiti, and it comes with network built in. All for $150.

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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I would have as well had I not gone the route of a Dream Machine Pro and hardwiring APs between 2 buildings and 3 4k security cameras.

surreal moss
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I mean, I probably will too once I own something that isn't a condo

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but I wouldn't recommend it off hand to someone

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Have one at my new job and I've been reptty impressed with it. Really like it's ability to seamlessly fail over when one of the internet connections is being uppity

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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I have the new doorbell pro but haven't installed it yet as I need to fix my wiring for a doorbell.

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My setup has 1 camera on the house and 2 on the detached garage. I ended up running cat 6 cable up to the attic to a 2nd poe switch, and to the basement to a 3rd switch, outside underground through conduit to the garage to the last peo switch to power the AP and 2 cameras.

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
cerulean helm
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My plan was to pull the doorbell wiring and just run the usb c cable via poe to usb cord they sell. But access to the wiring is a bit difficult in the house.

surreal moss
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or whitelist the mac if you're that paranoid

mossy gull
mossy gull
surreal moss
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I meant on the port

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not the wifi

mossy gull
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My doorbell is on WiFi, just USB-C powered.
Even though I prefer POE.

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People are assholes in my neighbourhood, I think 1 tried to steal my doorbell before and triggered the alarms.

cerulean helm
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Doorbell camera is just a redundant feature for me. My cameras do the job well enough.

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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Ah, yeah, that could be a problem. Honestly, I'm not even sure what the specific laws are regarding cameras in my area other than they have to be visible.

mossy gull
mossy gull
cerulean helm
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I'm using the G4pros, have never had an issue with them from the police.

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But they look close enough to a nest camera most don't know the difference.

mossy gull
mossy gull
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I had the PTZ because I could hang it on the attic outer wall and see the end of the street.

surreal moss
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That would be a concern even in some parts of the U.S.

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Observing your property is fine. Observing your neighbors' not so much

cerulean helm
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Ah, just looked up local laws for outdoor security cameras in my area. Basically as long as its visible and on my property I can do what I want. Does not matter if the camera ends up viewing a neighbors property (as long as its not like secret filming through a window).

mossy gull
cerulean helm
mossy gull
surreal moss
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Yeah, mine also says it's fine so long as the intent isn't to monitor neighboring properties. I'm only aware of it because my last company put up cameras around the perimeter of their property and a few of the neighbors got offended

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People get weird about cameras

cerulean helm
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The only local city laws I could find are about enrolling in the video sharing program to the cops... Nope, nope nope.

surreal moss
#

That's bold

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As a business? Sure. Absolutely. As an individual? Absolutely not

mossy gull
cerulean helm
mossy gull
cerulean helm
mossy gull
cerulean helm
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wtf

mossy gull
#

Welcome to everyone has right of privacy 😃

sacred seal
#

Bleh, forgot old CPUs don't support booting off NVME. And the r720 only has internal sata II connectors, so I cant swap out the dvd drive. I guess I will just have to shove a sata ssd into one of the drive bays.

jade scaffold
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Rip

olive fiber
#

Ug. I'm so spoiled with Apple displays. I really need to get a better monitor.

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Also, starting to like the Samsung OLED panels.

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I couldn't even see some art stuff someone was working on, cause my display was clipping all the whites and blacks.. and they were doing stuff with subtle white gradients. Had to put it back on my Apple display to see it ;p

sonic meadow
#

Are you sure you didn't have the panel (or output) set to limited range? This will mess with your white and black level pretty bad, especially if your output and monitor aren't set to the same one

olive fiber
#

I set the dispay to 'SmartHDR', which solved the problem, but now the contrast and brightness is worse.

jade scaffold
#

okay so im looking at AMDs epyc products

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and im noticing somthing rather interesting

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even epycs like a 16 core one without 3D V-cache has double the cache of any of the consumer x3D chips

jade scaffold
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figured out why
the AMD EPYC 9174F is a 16 core CPU
same cores as the consumer CPUs technically speaking
however the 7950x 16 core for desktops has 2 CCDs
the 9174f has 8

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it has 2 cores Per CCD and each CCD has seemingly the full amount of cache

jade scaffold
#

trying to solve the immense Idel power draw of my 3090
Other users have reported being able to get idle power draw as low as 35w
some people think its an issue of monitor refresh rate but dropping my refresh down to 60 only drops power draw by 5w

The issue is the Memory clock isnt dropping at idle

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aparently its meant to but its not

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and im stuggling to fix it

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea i know that

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but i can have literally nothing open

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and it'll draw 120w

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its not how its meant to work

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when doing not much its meant to Drop the memory clocks my mem clocks shouldnt be locked at full speed

mossy gull
jade scaffold
#

this isnt slightly higher

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this is 3-4x what idel power draw of a 3090 should be

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i could accept a slightly higher power draw than what a normal user would get afterall i have in effect 2 1440p 240hz monitors

mossy gull
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Then I don't know, does your GPU use anything like Armoury Crate?

jade scaffold
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nope

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its a 3090 FE

mossy gull
#

You should check what uses your GPU then, because I don't know what else to do other than running a lower resolution display.

jade scaffold
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its literally just sideways

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closed anything that Used hardware acceleration

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dropped a whole 1w

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1 whole watt

mossy gull
jade scaffold
#

they didnt though?

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its still the 12v HPWR Connector on the 3090

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its just missing the sense pins

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its literally just a 12 pin connector thats on its side

mossy gull
#

I prefer the 45° on the 30 series, I dislike that on the 40 series it's straight out of the side again.

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I can't find the article where it said about the added complexity or extra cost with the 45° connector.
Man I should keep an archive for said articles.

jade scaffold
#

there isnt any added complexity with it though

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its a bit less structurally stable i guess

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Gonna try the Studio drivers aparently that fixed the GPU Mem clocks not clocking down when doing nothing

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea its probs just a dumb explanation they gave

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they probably did it in reality because it looks better

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the 3090 12 pin as much as i like that it wont press up as harsly against a case side pannel

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is damn ugly

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the studio drivers didn't help

mossy gull
#

I like weird stuff, like 45° angled connectors or the ones that pass through the motherboard.

jade scaffold
#

i like the placement of them on the old tesla gpus and even on some quadros where its at the end of the GPU

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great for really big gpus

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can be a lil inconvinient on GPUs some people try cram into a itx case tho

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also i was not aware memory on GPUs was so insanely power hungry

jade scaffold
#

Good god

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half of that board is ram

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still cheaper than some TRX50 boards are somehow

mossy gull
#

Typical serverboard layout MenheraNervousEhehe

jade scaffold
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if i can haggle this epic down to a reasonable price ill probs go with an asrock board

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they tend to be easiest to get

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super micro boards are also pretty easy to get typicall

mossy gull
jade scaffold
#

this patent thats been filed i dont think means anything

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MI300 i belive functions in an identical way

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this pattent could just be the filing of the pattent for that
Patents for some things are released after the product is already developed

mossy gull
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What?

jade scaffold
#

the Patent for the GPU that describes the system used by the chiplet GPU to distribute itself work

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea but the reason the patent has only apeared now and not like a year ago when they were actually hyping up MI300 for the first time is because patenting it then gives other companies like NVidia a way to find a alternative around the pattent, it also makes performance estimation of AMDs products easier making it easier for NVidia to compete with them

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all im saying is that Patent describes nothing really new other than possibly a consumer application of what MI300 already does for AI and Data Management

mossy gull
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I do have the feeling that AMD is capable of taking over Nvidia on the consumer market as soon everything with MCM works well

jade scaffold
#

doesnt describe any interesting information about the interconnect its using how the dies even know what eachother are doing

jade scaffold
#

i'd expect them to

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all they really needed to to take over nvidia in the past 3 years is be competant at marketing

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which amds radeon devision are not

mossy gull
#

Weaker chips are easier to produce, and having multiple can also increase efficiency.

mossy gull
jade scaffold
#

no

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they are just incompetant

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AMD are not good at marketing their GPUs

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people still buy NVidia X060 cards even though they are a worse value and only have maybe 1 or 2 extra features if even that many because NVidia market better

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granted NVidia is a much much bigger company than amd so you can say they have more money to throw at marketing
but bottom line is AMDs mid range even into the high end range of products is a better value and unless you NEED CUDA or Tensor are the better choice, and people still dont buy them its been like that since RX5000 its still like that today

mossy gull
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Nvidia also pushes hard, just like Intel.
Even to this day I meet people who think AMD is incapable of playing games higher than 1080p60

jade scaffold
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NVidia just have greater mind share than AMD

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AMD need to have their Ryzen moment but for their GPUs

mossy gull
#

The most annoying people I think are the ones who compare an AMD APU with a full on Intel/Nvidia build.

jade scaffold
#

that way market share of gpus will become more varied
which will hopefully cause NVidia to stop making overpriced shit

mossy gull
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If the 9900XTX will be the x090 killer for a nice AMD price, then people may will think twice.
AMD makes really good GPUs, but people have to learn that AMD has changed a lot since their RX5000 series.
And their drivers aren't so shit as they use to be.

jade scaffold
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i dont think it will be

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that top end product will help with the Mind share of AMD sure

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but they have alot of Mind share to gain back off the people

mossy gull
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I hope Fluid Motion will come to all AMDs RX6000, 7000 and 8000 GPUs soon

jade scaffold
#

for AMD to catch Nvidia next gen they'll need a gpu probably 2x the speed of their current flagship

jade scaffold
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its gonna be driver level on all amd gpus 6000 and upwards isnt it so it'll work on anything right?

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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well duh

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if you have an amd and Nvidia gpu in your system at the same time you can have both drivers functional at once

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but its at best fucky

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at worst downright none functional

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yea

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I've started my haggling over the Epyc

sacred seal
#

I find it amusing that marcium reflect is no longer free, but if you have a old downloader it will still let you download the last free version.

cinder lagoon
#

soooo.... sharing is caring? :D
jk I dont really need it rn :P

jade scaffold
#

dun some very rough math
if i get this Epyc, i should™️ get the equivalent performance to my 5800x if my 5800x was clocked to 5.5-6ghz

jade scaffold
#

haggling complete

sacred seal
#

So I got a wierd one for you here. I tried swapping my 2tb p2 ssd out for a 4tb p3+, and my computer would no longer boot. It would get to the bios flash screen then freeze, and give me a d0 error on the board (gigabyte x370 gaming 5).
The SSD is installed on a little PCIE board as I don't have 2 nvme slots on my motherboard. The P3+ works fine when installed into a USB caddy.
Any idea's?

surreal moss
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Bump a power connection somewhere?

sacred seal
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Nope, system boots fine once I remove it

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I'm thinking it has to do with the fact its a gen 4 ssd

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But that is wierd

mossy gull
sacred seal
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Nope, SSD works fine, have already cloned everything over to it

mossy gull
sacred seal
#

It works fine in its USB caddy.

mossy gull
sacred seal
#

I'm thinking that must be it, but protocol wise it should be fine, and the card is also fine (my p2 worked perfectly)

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So I have no clue why it would not work

mossy gull
sacred seal
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Yea, wierd that it would not do that with USB though, and officially it is backwards compaitable

mossy gull
sacred seal
#

WTH, my x370 can support the 5800x3d?

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I'm trying to update the bios right now

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See if that fixes it

sacred seal
#

How bad of an idea is it to try flashing a bios off of a SD card?

sacred seal
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Well bios is updated and its booting with the drive now. Guess the issue was that the bios just did not know what to make of a pcie 4.0 ssd

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Thanks for all the suggestions

jade scaffold
#

a USB Stick is alot safer

sacred seal
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Yea, I figured, but I could only find a 128gb flash drive full of data and my live linux drive

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I ended up using the OS option

jade scaffold
#

yea

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there is only 1 flash drive i havent lost i think

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and its the flash drive i use to install windows

mossy gull
#

I recently found 3 USB thumb drives when I was looking for an HDMI cable oddly enough

sacred seal
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Guess what I literally just found...

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One of the USB sticks I bought specifically for stuff like this

jade scaffold
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This

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this is what ram slot hell looks like

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why is there 2 different ways i can put 2 dimms in but not 6 dimms

sacred seal
#

Finally got a stand that let me mount 3 monitors, does anyone know of a way to increase the "Snappyness" of the full screen area? I keep bringing things onto my top monitor instead of making them full screen

jade scaffold
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Looks nice

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and yea Windows zones are not snappy atall

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atleast in 10

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in 11 if you are dragging a window it auto pops up the zones you set up which helps

sacred seal
#

I was hoping I could do something with fancy zones, but I dont see an option for that

jade scaffold
#

its a w11 only thing iirc

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maybe w11 pro though?

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therers some 3rd party programs for 10 that can do it but i dont know how snappy they would be

sacred seal
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Third party is fine. I just dont know what I would be googling

#

All my results so far have been for entirely unrelated issues

jade scaffold
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i found one by searching somthing along the lines of "how to split monitor into virtual monitors"

surreal moss
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You can double click the bar of the window you want to full screen

sacred seal
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Yea, the problem is that I have mussel memory of draging a window from one screen to the top of another to open it in full screen

surreal moss
#

Same

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It's still an issue for me from time to time but it's gotten better

olive fiber
#

If I enable it on the display, stuff looks washed out a bit, but I see all those things

mossy gull
sacred seal
#

Yea, fancy zones are part of that, it lets you set custom snap points, but doesn't give you any control over how snappy they are

mossy gull
sacred seal
#

Mabey because I am not using any custom zones?

sonic meadow
#

now why in hell would I have had the "Status" column so damn wide?

mossy gull
sacred seal
#

I might try flipping the alignment so I have to move my mouse down to access my top monitor. I use the middle one far more often

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Going to take some getting used to though

mossy gull
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I always had a stacked orientation, so I use fancy zones near daily

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
surreal moss
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There’s the chaotic neutral method

sonic meadow
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definitely thinking that the realtek nic is fucked. the card spent something like 3-4 hours "resetting". maybe this is my cue to bite the bullet and get a pair of 10gig cards...

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and apparently the 2 port intel x540 are cheaper than the 1 port on ebay 😆

cinder lagoon
sonic meadow
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yeah

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If I had known about the general issues with realtek nics I... probably still might have got that board. verified as operational ECC isnt common on consumer AM4 boards

cinder lagoon
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didnt know they had general issues 🤔

jade scaffold
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I dislike realtek NICs I must say

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Always been a bit fucky in my experience

sonic meadow
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They are generally considered "okay" for consumer use, but shit for server/etc use

cinder lagoon
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BEHOOOOLD, THE LEG™️

jade scaffold
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The legion is really cool imo

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It's pretty much just as repairable as the steam deck whilst just being better

cinder lagoon
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now if it could also run steamdeck OS it seems kinda like a no-brainer for me 🤔

mossy gull
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Which was released before the LEG

cinder lagoon
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hmmm true...

cinder lagoon
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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It's an AMD chip zen 4 based rDNA 2 graphics I believe a Linux driver should exist for it

mossy gull
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It might be 3 yea

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If it's 780m GPU it's 3 if it's 680m it's 2 I believe

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Regardless point stands that it should be able to be made to work in Linux and by extension steam os

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Also the big thinking square arrives tomorrow

mossy gull
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As far I can find the Z1 is only 8% weaker than the 780M

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And the CPU part is basically margin of error weaker for the 7840U

jade scaffold
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Yea the z1 is a super mobile 7840U in effect

jade scaffold
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Regect a10 cosplaying fan embrace sticking noctua fans to things that shouldn't have noctua fans

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It's so small

mossy gull
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the fans the same size as the one that comes with the server heatsink

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the heatsink however is whats small

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it can aparently do 400w

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so who am i to argue

cinder lagoon
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thats a server sink?

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it looks so desktop-y

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and small at that

jade scaffold
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Yee

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It's a 4u heatsink rated for 400w

mossy gull
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Yep, this is a fire hazard to the max.

sonic meadow
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1060 is a... 150w or so gpu, even likely the 3GB variant. still not grea though (for safety).
probably trying to run off integrated graphics, that intel HD on the 3770 is getting quite long in the teeth

mossy gull
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funnily enough you should be able to get to roughly the 120w tdp of the 1060 with a pcie slot and a sata power.
pcie slot: 75w
sata power: 1.5A/pin, 3 pins (for 12v)= 54w notional

which totals 139w, though that would be pushing the limit of the SATA power, and assumes that 75w are coming through the slot.
the 6pin pcie connector is rated for 75w by the spec, and devices typically draw more from them than the slot when available

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we are also running under the assumption that the SATA power connector is up to spec (1.5A/pin), and that there isnt any corrosion on any of them lowering their resistance, and thus causing more current to go through the other two pins in the trio

mossy gull
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sonic meadow
mossy gull
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Also sata power is such a odd connector it can supply 3.3 5 and 12v

sonic meadow
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5 is normal, 3.3 wasn't used for much and eventually got phased out of the connector

jade scaffold
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I think it was just phased out of the devices I think psus and the connector still do 3.3

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Regardless just do 12v bozo

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Do conversion as and where's needed

sonic meadow
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Laptop stuff was largely 5v for a while

jade scaffold
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Yea

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Alot of fans on some devices are 5v instead of 12

sonic meadow
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iirc the 3.3v was used in the older hot swap stuff.
Nowadays one of the 3.3v pins is used for a drive disable (same as with SAS)

mossy gull
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Still, SATA/Molex isn't really wise for the GPU.

jade scaffold
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Yea sata power isn't the most secure connector

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Though like if you plug a bunch of them into a pcie cable there's no reason that wouldn't work

sonic meadow
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its a nicer to use connector than molex, but it is very much not designed for higher power draw than hard drives

jade scaffold
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Hardrives should just be powered by a pcie 6 pin

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12v HPWR to all the drives

sonic meadow
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ewwww

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cant even split it in half, would just give you 12v or gnd 😆

jade scaffold
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Nah wait

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24 pin to hardrives when

sonic meadow
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mini-usb

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still need sata though, just using mini-usb for power

jade scaffold
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The 24 pin annoys me so much like why is it so fat it has all of a bees dick worth of power going through it

sonic meadow
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because it used to have like 7 different power rails going through it

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and the extra four pins were all 12v/gnd iirc

jade scaffold
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Yea but why is it fat

sonic meadow
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ah nope, was 12v, 5v, 3.3v, and a com

jade scaffold
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Why not use a still 24 pin but smaller

sonic meadow
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because its a 30 year old standard, and that was what was available at the time

jade scaffold
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I love how server mobos have just totally ditched it as well

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They don't even use the 12vo ATX connector

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They just have like 4 CPU EPS pins going into them and nothing else

sonic meadow
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server mobos have followed none of the physical atx specs for probably 20 years now.
OEM server mobos that is, at least ones coming from the vendor in rack mount chassis

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layout and non-peripheral internal connectors that is

jade scaffold
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Even the ones that you can just buy now are ditching the 24 pin

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The gigabyte one I was looking at still had it but I'm somewhat certain most of its pins aren't occupied and it's only there to tell a atx PSU to turn on

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I love how unbelievably stupid this board is

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24 dimm slots
12 channels of memory look at all the little pcie nvme enabled slots above the ram slots

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That's standard EATX size as well can just like toss it in a workstation just incase you want like 6tb of ram

sonic meadow
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which standard EATX size? /cries in GN Steve

jade scaffold
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XD

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It's the max Size most cases that tout EATX support

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Like 310x330mm

sonic meadow
jade scaffold
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AsRock you beautiful mother fuckers

sonic meadow
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which means that the 24pin is likely being used normally

jade scaffold
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Black PCB epyc mobo

sonic meadow
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got a not-thumbnail for that one?

jade scaffold
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But where's my other 4 channels

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Gimme a sec their website takes like 3 years to load

sonic meadow
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more conventional layout than the "all the ram" of the other

jade scaffold
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Yea

jade scaffold
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Yea their website won't load on my mobile data for some reason

sonic meadow
jade scaffold
sonic meadow
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🤦‍♂️

jade scaffold
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Yooooo they got the really fancy pcie slot

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It's the one you can stick ram in with an adon card

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Here's their website for it

sonic meadow
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I found it 😆

jade scaffold
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So if I want all 12 channels of memory on this thing I need to put the rest on a pcie card

sonic meadow
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eh, who knows

jade scaffold
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Most of Genoa's base tdps are 360w except from the low power ones

sonic meadow
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the asrock actually has a pcie 6pin hiding out between the fan connectors

jade scaffold
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Most of them can be set to 400w in the bios

sonic meadow
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which it says to use when 4 graphics cards are installed

jade scaffold
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Yea a 6 pin pcie and 3 8 pin EPS

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That's alot of power

sonic meadow
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900w+75w

jade scaffold
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Seems a touch overkill tbh

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6 pin fan connectors too interesting

sonic meadow
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its just an extra speed sensor 🤔

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im guessing they expect pin6 to be used for something later

jade scaffold
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Yea

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Funky

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I'm leaning towards this asrock board though I'm gonna keep looking at boards

sonic meadow
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the gigabyte one, while it has more ram slots, does have less conventional expansion slots

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and if you want lanes for conventional devices isnt the way to go

jade scaffold
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Nvme is most of what that expansion is gonna be used for anyways so that doesn't bother me I use nvme server drives anyway

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But also the gigabyte one is blue

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And I don't need 24 slots as funny as it looks

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I only want 12 for memory bandwidth though 8 channel is probs fine for my cpus 256mb of cache

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Gigabyte you can't power 2 400w cpus off 2 EPS cables

mossy gull
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There sadly isn't much in the way of cooling options for sp5 either

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I also need a screw driver that can torque the screws properly

jade scaffold
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How much power you guys think I'm gonna need for a 3090 and a Epyc Genoa 9174F got like 8 drives of which 5 are nvme 3 are sata got fans 9 and 1 pump and 3 additional cards in the main pcie slots

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Ya think 1500 is enough keeping in mind my want for a 5090 or if amd have an offering that interests me what ever they drop next year

mossy gull
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I don't know, I'll stick with AMD as long Nvidia stays being an ass

jade scaffold
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And still haven't earnt my trust back from all the driver shitty they have caused

mossy gull
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For me Nvidia had shitty drivers, at least current AMD drivers are pretty good

jade scaffold
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NVidias drivers atleast work in my experience their main issue is the memory clock on some systems won't drop to idle

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Rx 5000 couldn't out perform a 1050ti in many cases and was borderline in unusable for 6 months after launch

Rx 6000 launched fine then and abandoned it's drivers for 7 months

Rx 7000 has been mostly fine aside from amds anti lag thing making csgo angry

mossy gull
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On a laptop I had years ago they updated the driver and the computer became unusable because of how badly they fucked the driver

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They've gotten better now

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But they still aren't trust worthy in my eyes if they are willing to abandon a 2 year old GPU line up for 7 months

sonic meadow
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laptop gpu drivers have been a mixed bag over the years

mossy gull
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These days I just hate Nvidia is still the 1 with 2 bloody drivers.
Just have 1 streamlined driver like the competition

sonic meadow
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I had an intel+amd laptop (2nd gen intel), and it took weird custom drivers that neither AMD nor Intel supported. pain in the ass

jade scaffold
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Amd having 1 driver was not by choice lmao

sonic meadow
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early switchable graphics I believe

jade scaffold
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They originally had 2 but one was so hilariously unstable they abandoned it

mossy gull
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I had an AMD laptop with an external GPU, it was in the Radeon HD3000 era

jade scaffold
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Nvidia also only really have 1 driver

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Unless you are doing something so important you need verified drivers

The gforce experience one is the only one needed

mossy gull
sonic meadow
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oh yeah, geforce experience is a thing. I completely dropped it after they enforced a sign-in to use it

jade scaffold
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They have a studio driver and the gforce driver for main line desktop gpus

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That's all they have

jade scaffold
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Absolute unit acquired

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AM4 ryzen for scale

jade scaffold
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hows this board look you guys

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MBD-H13SSL-N

mossy gull
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they dont have studio drivers though

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they are just general drivers

mossy gull
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but atleast its got 12 dim slots

sacred seal
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What are you doing where you need that much potential ram capacity/ latency

jade scaffold
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nothing but the CPUs got so much cache that in performance benchmarks it actually benifits from having more channels of ram

sacred seal
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Ah, makes sense

jade scaffold
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and because its not got 3D V-Cache its just got silly ammounts of cache for a 16 core i should be able to push it to higher clocks while getting the benifit of goofy ammounts of cache

amber fable
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Intel has lost their minds

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jade scaffold
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Yea they are really going off the rocker

jade scaffold
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Gonna overclock this epyc

cinder lagoon
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# cinder lagoon rightfully so! ^^

Here me out it has the advantage that 3d V-Cache cpus have right of having shit tonnes of cache without the weaknesses of 3D V-Cache thoes being lower stability with higher voltages and clocks and being unable to share between CCDs

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Which means in theory I can push Ryzen X clock speeds with beyond X3D cache amounts

jade scaffold
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It I can get it to clock over 4.8ghz all core that would make it as fast per core as the 7800x3D with double the core count if I can get it at faster clocks than that in theory it will become the fastest gaming CPU arround for some games that is

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I'm aiming for atleast 4.7-4.8 when in a gaming load as that will guarantee nomatter what's being played it'll be substantially faster than the 5800x I have by 15% minimum all the way upto 1.5x max faster in games that make good use of extra cache

cinder lagoon
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gl, tell us the results

jade scaffold
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I will once the mobo arrives in the next 4-6 days

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Also as over the comming months I add more channels of ram I'll keep updated on how that impacts performance Zen 4 likes lots of ram bandwidth

jade scaffold
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AMD Have just named a Super computer Unit EL Capitan

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they have to be joking

mossy gull
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Nvidia nerfing the 3050 8GB, lowering its VRAM to 6GB and cancelling the 8GB variant.
Nvidia's reason: It impacts 4060 8GB sales too much.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-preparing-geforce-rtx-3050-with-6gb-vram-8gb-model-to-be-phased-out

GeForce RTX 3050 6GB to replace 8GB model Sources close to NVIDIA board channels were notified about the upcoming change to GeForce RTX 3050 series.  The 8GB variant of the RTX 3050 appears to be impacting sales of the RTX 4060 too much, prompting NVIDIA to make the decision to discontinue the RTX 3050 8GB […]

balmy flicker
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better question why are they still selling the 30serise did they just over produce chips?

sonic meadow
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Selling them over time allows them to not saturate the market so much, and thus sell them at a higher price.
It's always possible though that sales were lower than expected, and since silicon orders are set up well in advance then it was going to be difficult to pivot it away to a different product. A product which would likely have been the same thing in the end, not sure what else they have at that node size

surreal moss
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Consider too when the 3000 series was released. It's possible they over estimated how many they needed to manufacture.

sonic meadow
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yeah, coming out of the absolute mess that was the 20 series

jade scaffold
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The best thing to come out of 2000 was the 2060 super

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There was 2 enthusiast options then everything else was just a worse 1080ti

sonic meadow
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I was talking more about the scalping/etc than the lineup itself

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the lineup was... fine. nothing great

jade scaffold
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Other than the middle 4 gpus of the stack being just bootleg 1080tis

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Well all the none super ones were total garbage

jade scaffold
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Odd question anyone know of any screwdrivers that let you set the torque on them