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sacred seal
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Yea, I missed that

jade scaffold
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the chip in this is a light weight version of the one in the AGX Orin Developer kit

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i struggle to really call it light weight version
because its just a GPU its actually pretty much identical

sacred seal
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With GDDR6 bolted on?

jade scaffold
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pretty much

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the AGX has 64gb of LPDDR5

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and a 12 core ARM CPU

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the AGX tho has a maximum TDP of 75W

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but it has a shit tonne of RAM and a whole ass CPU on it so like

sacred seal
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And a completely different ram setup (64GBs)

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Yea, it seems very similar to the orin. But back to my point about point of comparison, you want to use this as a point of comparison its ither going to be way faster then the part you are comparing it to, or have way less vram

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Though at 1/4th the price (not sure how they managed that) of the orin, it might be a valid trade off

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Still the use case seems way too niche to be practical IMO

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But we will have to agree to disagree

jade scaffold
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a orin NX system which is what would end up in practical implimentation would cost like £1000 for somthing thats actually able to be taken on the go and you still then need a screen to plug it into

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the advantage i see with this little porta gpu is well its just a GPU

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it just plugs into a thunderbolt port i dont need a separate sceen or anything though that as an option would be nice

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and compared to other portable GPU sollutions for taking for example a RTX A2000 SFF with me its actually alot cheaper

sacred seal
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I don't know about you, but the number of times I have though "I could really use a portable GPU with middling performance and only 4GBs of vram right about now" is zero. Its the 4Gbs of vram that makes me question how often something like that would be useful over just a heavier gaming laptop

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You already are spending some decent cash on a highish end laptop with thunderbolt 3

jade scaffold
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Some gaming laptops can't run certain things and aditionally providing someone with a lil gou is cheaper than a whole laptop that can do the same

sacred seal
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If you have already bought the laptop, yes. While a gaming laptop may not be as fast in certain aplications, its extra vram is going to mean it can run so many more things

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Laptops with thunderbolt tend to be rather rare

mossy gull
sacred seal
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Even intel. Searching amazon, not finding a lot of hits

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And the ones I am getting I am fairly sure are not correct

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Don't think thunderbolt 3 was even out when the i5 6300 dropped

mossy gull
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Going as cheap as 650.-

sacred seal
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ANd how many without?

mossy gull
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I don't know, I can't really take that option away, I only cab deselect, by my calculations it should be around 500.

sacred seal
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At best buy its 400 out of 19000

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For windows laptops

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2% is fairly rare, and I question if this thing would work with a macbook

jade scaffold
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It would not work on a Mac

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They don't support any kind of external GPU

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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do the Intel Macs support it?

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maybe AMD GPUs but i cant see there being drivers for the NVidia ones

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yes but do they actually support plugging in a GPU

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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they also arent windows based so theres a decent chance they have exactly 0 Hotswap support

mossy gull
limpid snow
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Anyone in the Manchester area in the UK looking for a LGA1200 MSI motherboard, 4x 8gb Corsair vengeance ram sticks, a i5 10600k cpu and a cooler master cpu cooler?

tender plank
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Just finished a transplant into a new case. Turned out pretty nice. POSTed just fine, the only issue I ran into was that one of the SSDs had the power cable pulled slightly loose so I needed to fix that.

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iron rock
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dont know if this is the place to ask or not but figured it might be. just got my first airbrush and having a hard time figuring it out. do you have to prime the airbrush to get paint or in this case water as a test, to flow threw it? instructions that came with this thing are useless, guides I have seen say nothing about this. I couldnt get it to work until I held me finger over the nozzle and pressed the trigger for a few secs until bubbles started coming up out of the cup. after that it worked, is that normal?

cinder lagoon
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any reasonable air brush also works as an air blaster - does it do that? otherwise there might be issues with the air supply.
It might be that you have to open some adjustement ring or similar

iron rock
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yeah it works for air. I think its a fairly standard brush, push down for air, pull back for paint.

mossy gull
ionic tusk
cinder lagoon
ionic tusk
mossy gull
ionic tusk
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It took so long

mossy gull
ionic tusk
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I cloned it onto the 4 tb 990 pro lol then wiped it

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Now Idk what I should do with the 870 evo lol

mossy gull
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I got the MP600 over the 990 Pro because I really needed a new SSD

ionic tusk
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I've just been using samsung for a while and been realiable like my baracuda HDD before all this

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so went from a 1tb baracuda to a 250gb 960 and a 1 tb

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then upgrade the HDD to 2tb

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then once 960 I hated filling it went to a 2tb 970 evo plus said no more Hard drives so went to the 870

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then got to 12thgen intel from a 6 or 7th gen platform

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intially was an i5 6th gen or something i later changed to an unlocked 7700k from memory

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then big upgrade was the 12900k i currently have

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I would hate to have to buy my computer gain all at once to expensive I bought the parts bit by bit

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One of the biggest laughs I have is my computer is better then any PC or laptop at work lol

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HP shop for laptops mainly so we get Z book powers as the highest end laptop

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When i started there last year and saw some alienware desktop I hated it lol when I found out cto bought some for high end compute lol

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I'm happy I've successfully got them not to buy alienwares again lol for desktops

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Got them to Buy an intel NUC extreme system from an SI

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Made sure they all had I9 Processor 64gb ram 2tb NVME and a RTX4070ti pro art

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If i could of pushed it some more I would have gotten them to buy the proart 4080 however budget lol bought like 1 then 7 more intially then found out we needed like 13 Nuc Extremes lol

mossy gull
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I had laptops most part of my life, been always on the move.
From Fujitsu SA3650, Alienware 13 OLED 3rd gen & Surface Book 2 15" at the same time, the SB2 just doesn't wanna break so it's still in use today, had a desktop system mostly for work with an Xeon, can't remember which 1 other than it having 20-cores, 64GB RAM, 2 Vega FE and only 4TB SSD storage, sold most of the system except the Vegas because I barely used it, 1 ended on the Alienware with the graphics dock till the laptop broke so the Vegas are on the GPU wall, now I mostly use a ROG Strix G15 AE upgraded with 64GB RAM and some junk system that barely works so that's gonna be replaced soon

ionic tusk
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lol before my desktop I had like stupid handy down laptop Toshiba and Lenovos

jade scaffold
cinder lagoon
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Ahhhh crap something in my sennheiser headphones is loose in the ear cup and I gotta send them back..
I forgot how absolutely dog crap my last ones were and that they were literally broken on one side

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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i dont like samsung SSDs generally speaking
They are far too expensive and their life times are far too short

cerulean helm
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Interesting, AMD actually listened to consumners and is bringing back the Threadripper lineup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUqWE9HJ83I

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cinder lagoon
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damn didnt think that

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thought they'd do some Threadripper pRo bs

jade scaffold
jade scaffold
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Just finished watching the vid

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And 12core threadripper my beloved

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128 gen 5 lanes right off the CPU and 16 off the chipset

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I can finally run all the drives I have

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Sad that the hedt threadripper tho is so expensive would have loved to see a 1k 24 core

iron rock
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so I have a very old AIWA stereo (from the 90s) that I use as my main sound system for my computer. over the years its buttons and nobs have become very unreliable and after a power outage a few mins ago its buttons now seem to do random things instead of what is listed on them, pressing the Rock EQ button changes it from video input to CD input some times, pressing the video input button changes it to AM and what each button does seems to be fairly random and changing... how?

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is some chip in it fried or is this something I might be able to fix?

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I cant really aford to replace it and I dont want to replace it because it still sounds very good

jade scaffold
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It's hard to diagnose such a thing without being there in person

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It's possible to replace what ever does the logic inside though I would presume

iron rock
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its probably modern enough that it would be an IC going bad and I dont think I have a chance in hell if fixing that. I have seen inside these things and its a nightmare

jade scaffold
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Do you know what the device is actually called

iron rock
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what stereo it is or what random 1 of 800 chips inside it that might have gone bad it is?

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the stereo is an Aiwa CX-NA10

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maybe the remote will still work. I dont stand a chance of replacing this thing with something of similar quality.

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and I love my stereo.

jade scaffold
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What stereo yea

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You might be able to just replace the board on the inside

sonic meadow
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The control panel potentially uses shift registers as a.. one ended mux essentially. I've seen them used as input interfaces in audio equipment before

iron rock
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I dont know what that means

cinder lagoon
# iron rock I dont know what that means

imagine you want to transmit an 8 bit value via a single wire.
In this case you store your 8 bit value in an >=8 bit shift register.
The most significant bit (MSB) is connected to said wire.
Now when you supply a single clock pulse to all bits of the 8 bit shift register the MSB of the shift register writes its stored binary value to the single wire, while simultaneously buffering a value from the next bit of the shift register.

same for all the other bits of the SR, if 8 pulses have been received, the entire byte has been transmitted via a single wire.

Also think of another shift register on the other end of that line, receiving the same clock signal as the first one.

If you now don't need too fast of a transmission speed and block the second shift registers outputs until the clock has pulsed 8 times, you can transmit an 8 bit value via only two wires. And if you only need to know which of 8 switches on the input is flicked this is more than enough

The compression in terms of "wires saved" grows with the size of the shift registers while the "time compression" ( <=1.0 ) gets smaller, the more bits you transmit
Fast shift registers is basically how everything gets transmitted outside of the computer

sonic meadow
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The important bit is that it's a small and cheap chip that takes many input (buttons) and turns it in to a single input for your devices brain to read

cinder lagoon
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basically - just wanted to use my failed Studium 😬

iron rock
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I am sure its just a small cheap chip... but have you seen inside a 90s Japanese component stereo before? 1 chip in a forest of thousands.

cinder lagoon
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true

iron rock
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I tried to do the fix for the problem with the volume knob these stereos always develop, have to clean the contacts in the rotary encoder. I took one look in there and sealed that bastard back up

sonic meadow
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You spray contact cleaner in the gaps and actuate it a bunch

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Some of the stereos i have taken apart have the buttons on their own circuit board with the mux/shift register.

jade scaffold
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Anyone got any decent recomendations for a 2000W PSU?

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was looking at EVGAs Supernova line up which should be good

sacred seal
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What are you trying to drive with that much power?

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Might want to look at server grade stuff if you need that much

sonic meadow
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might be trying to run a two pc system off one psu 🤔
or running multiple gpus/accelerators on one pc, its pretty easy to go over 1kw continuous with that

sacred seal
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Yea, hence why I was thinking server grade hardware might be better suited

sonic meadow
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quad-sli 4090

sacred seal
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Think you might need more then 2k for that

mossy gull
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The 4090 has a max TDP of 650w I believe.
That's like 1950w I believe.
Of course it'll rarely use that.

jade scaffold
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in adition to that i will have more drives actually active in my pc when i get that threadripper adding another 100w of power consumption

jade scaffold
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the 4090s TDP is 450W by default

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with overclocking you can get it a bit over 500W

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by modding you can get it as high as physics will allow you before killing it

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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thats still wrong

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600 for the 12v HPWR connector

mossy gull
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I thought its maxwas 650wkannaSpook

iron rock
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lol, hope you live in 240 land because in the 120 you would need a dedicated 20a breaker for a computer using a 2k watt PSU 😛

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things might be getting out of hand when its starting to look like personal computers might need there own 240 line installed.

surreal moss
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We're coming full circle

iron rock
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really does look like it

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back to giant cabinet units that need there own dedicated breaker and double as a space heater.

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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I would recommend using multiple power supplies anyways - it allows for splitting the load over two circuits

jade scaffold
jade scaffold
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and it needs to fit into an ATX mount which i know can be done with some server type PSUs where you can put 2 of them into a box that'll mount in an ATX case but again tiny fans

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i wont ever be pulling 2000w but ill likely with the new threadripper hiting 1300w then if the next gen 5090 follows the same trend as the 3090-4090 ill be pulling 1400w adn expanding my storage yet again as i intend to would bring me up to 1450w

signal star
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Ok guys. Looking to sell my PC. I can include Lightspeed keyboard, mouse, and headphones as well as an LG 3440x1440 monitor as well for some more money

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mJbLcH

mossy gull
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Ubiquity has something cool these days, like I have an 2 AP set-up and this is what it looks like so far.
It's cool to see that it can do multiple channels at the same time.

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jade scaffold
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I love ubiquity's software

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It's so much easier to use than literally anyone else's

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I need to get a full ubiquity setup for routers and waps

jade scaffold
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Been looking at the new threadrippers again
Seen something interesting about the supported chipset

One is the pro chipset one is the "consumer" chipset and there's a 3rd chipset wonder why they have 3 chipsets and what the difference between all of them are

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Wonder what pro 695 is

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Maybe yea tho there wouldn't really be a huge amount in terms of features different probs just some management shit and a mobo GPU

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Or maybe it's the OEM chipset

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As amd say the OEM boards won't support overclocking but the ones people can just buy all will

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Which would suggest a different chipset

cinder lagoon
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Does anyone know some good DDR5 RDIMMs? Preferably ones that don't look like they were pulled out of shreks ass

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Preferably 5600mhz too

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Corsair don't have any RDIMMs and the gskill RDIMMs I can see are fuck you ammounts if expensive

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Like I can get fugly green ddr5 RDIMMs for a completely reasonable price

sacred seal
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Probably going to need to look at Dell or hp, and if you don't want to spend a mint they are probably be green pcbs

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You can buy aftermarket heat spreaders though

jade scaffold
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The issue is as well alot of the green ones are 4800mhz because the server cpus don't support any faster

jade scaffold
sacred seal
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There is currently no platform (that I'm aware of) which uses registered ram that's not server

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For ddr5

jade scaffold
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Threadripper is releasing and Intel's weird xeons they released a while ago

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New threadripper is registered ddr5 only

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Because now in ddr5 registered and unregister DIMMs use totally different pinnouts

sacred seal
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Yea, releasing, it takes time for chipmakers to produce compatible products

jade scaffold
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I really wish I could've used just standard ddr5

sacred seal
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Historically I would guess about 6 months

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Given that this is a niche product though, it could be longer

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They need to know if threadripper will sell first

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Given just how high consumer core counts have gotten

jade scaffold
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Considering there hasn't been a hedt threadripper in like 3 years now it'll probably sell really well

jade scaffold
sacred seal
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Threadripper never sold very well to begin with, and that was when it was not directly competing with the consumer parts

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My understanding is thats why they retired it

jade scaffold
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It's actually not

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They retired it because it had 0 competition

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Ryzen 3000 with 64 cores is not something anyone has yet to compete with

sacred seal
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It competes with server

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If you need that kind of horsepower, you probably need the other server advantages

jade scaffold
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Not really that you need the server things

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It was just that threadripper was cheaper if you were only like rendering things on it

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Which is possibly threadrippers biggest use in industry

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Movie rendering

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And if you are ready nnung a large game server company why use an epyc that's 3x as expensive when the threadripper will manage fine by itself

sacred seal
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All the large studios have in house server farms

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And if you are hosting servers you need the density

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Threadripper run hotter then there epyc counterparts

jade scaffold
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Temps isn't an issue for servers

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The ammount if air you blast over them you can cram 2kw into a 1u case and not see temps over 60c

sacred seal
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I have never seen 2kw in a 1u

jade scaffold
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I've seen 4 A100s and a 32 core epyc in a 1u blade server

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That's far over 2kw

sacred seal
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Were those pcie a100s?

jade scaffold
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No

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Smx

sacred seal
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Different a100s have different power limits

jade scaffold
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500w each

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400w sorry

sacred seal
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Hgx has a max of 400

jade scaffold
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That's still like 1800-1900w in something half the width of a 1U server

sacred seal
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Yea, it's a decent amount of power, but it's spread over a larger area

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Last Gen threadripper could run 400 watts

jade scaffold
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If you over it yea

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It's base power was nowhere near that

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280w for 5000 series tr Pros

sacred seal
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Sorry, 300, I hate phone typing

jade scaffold
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350w for the new ones with full of support so I feel like we might see some silly numbers come out if them

jade scaffold
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So shit at typing on phones not helped that this phone is still relatively new

sacred seal
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Oced it could hit close to 600 based on reviews

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And that is the 32 core

jade scaffold
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Yea there's a 96 core

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That's overclockable

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By base that 96 core scored over 100k points in cinebench I think it was

sacred seal
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Yea, that kind of hardware is not going to be easily cooled in a 1u

jade scaffold
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Yea remote testing it it managed 100291 points in cinebench r23

sacred seal
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Then there is the entire power draw to performance ratio to concider

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If you want to deploy at any sort of scale

jade scaffold
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Epycs do have quite a high idle power draw tbf

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They have the voltages set by default at a smaller range for stability purposes

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Though if you have a deployment that big you should be making sure it's always doing something

sacred seal
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Idle yes, but if you are running at scale it's probably not at idle often

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Threadrippers are great machines for thier niche, but that is a fairly small one

jade scaffold
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And threadrippers are good the workstations used by production still need alot of CPU power for that
Architects ai startups too would all benefit for cheaper than epyc high core counts

sacred seal
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And it keeps getting smaller

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Workstations where you can't offload to a gpu and there are not enough users to justify a local server cluster

jade scaffold
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Except for threadrippers have consistently outcompeted epyc in alot of scenarios which is why and only had a pro line for 5000 and not a consumer one and why the 3000 threadrippers only supported a small amount of ram

sacred seal
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"small amount of ram"

jade scaffold
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Yea 256gb isn't really alot for like 64 cores

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Depends what your doing something won't need that ram but alot do

sacred seal
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For that kind of power it's not a lot, but that is still a lot of ram

jade scaffold
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Not sure what AMD are doing this time round other than crippling memory bandwidth if the hedt ones

sonic meadow
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its a small amount relative to what epyc supports

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which was the context for their "small amount of ram" comment

jade scaffold
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Yea the pros this time support 2tb
And the hedt ones still support 1tb

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Which is actually slot

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Tho the hedt ones are only 4 channel now

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The pros are 8 channel

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And epyc is 12

sonic meadow
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and previously.. TR didnt support buffered modules, which massively limited dimm capacity

jade scaffold
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Yea

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Now all of them have to be registered dimms

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Because fuck my wallet apparently

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I get why to be clear they went with registered ecc

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Desktop ddr5 is known to be a lil jank at the moment

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Looking at ddr5 heat spreaders and thoes will bankrupt me too

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25 quid for 2?

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I need 8 of the things that's 100 quid

sonic meadow
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I doubt it needs ddr5 specific heatspreaders

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likely has the exact same form factor as ddr1,2,3, and 4. so literally any old heatspreaders you can find 😆

jade scaffold
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There are no registered ecc ddr5 with in built heat spreader

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Well that aren't absurdly spensive for what they are anyway

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There's like 1 from gskill which is 580 for 64gb and they can fuck right off

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Literally can get 128gb and thoes heat spreaders I was looking at for that much

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These heat spreaders are cheaper 4 for 40

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sacred seal
sonic meadow
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that kind of thing brings me back 😆
had a ddr2 corsair dominator ram cooler

jade scaffold
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Mostly doing it because green ram should be illigal but it's the only ram even from micron available

sacred seal
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Less ugly then green pcbs

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And the dominator version doesn't look that bad (but it costs too much to be economical)

jade scaffold
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I'll wait till a few days after launch to buy ram and the new PSU I'll need

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Black Friday and cyber Monday and all that

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Maybe some more fancy ram will have released by then in anticipation for the launch

sacred seal
jade scaffold
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Cooler clearance what's that?

sacred seal
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With the threadripper boards that may not be an issue

sonic meadow
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if you already have tall ram then cooler clearance is not an issue 😛

sacred seal
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Depends on how much e in eatx there is

jade scaffold
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That's for 5000 but point stands

sacred seal
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Wth is with those pcie slots?

jade scaffold
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Sine of these boards have a chance of haveing like 16 ram slots too I think lmao

jade scaffold
sacred seal
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Or the io?

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No, like the board goes too far back

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You would not be able to install a gpu with those slots

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Would need a riser

sonic meadow
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...

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no you wouldnt

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it would just obscure some of the other slots

jade scaffold
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Oh it doesn't extend back that far

sonic meadow
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and thats assuming its a 2-slot or greater card anyway

sacred seal
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I'm talking the distance between the slots and the left side of the board

jade scaffold
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That bit that goes way back is another image of the board but it's underside

sonic meadow
sacred seal
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Ah, that makes way more sense

jade scaffold
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Yea there's a image without the stupid mirror image on the underside

sacred seal
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Curse you tiny phone screen

jade scaffold
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New threadrippers have 32 sata lanes right off the CPU as well

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So be ready to see a mobo with goofy ammounts of sata crammed along the side

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How much sata could you actually cram on one of these trs

sacred seal
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Where would they even put that much? That would cover the majority of the "right" side

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A Sata is like 1cm, so that is a good 16cm of just ports

sonic meadow
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might run sas headers instead

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would cut the port count down to what... a fifth?

jade scaffold
sacred seal
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Quarter? But those are not stackable (I think?) so it would only take up 8cms

sonic meadow
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quarter sounds more right. so you have most of them be those, and a few sata ports too (for your non-bulk, non-pcie/m.2 storage)

jade scaffold
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Ok so doing some funny math if you used every available pcie lanes + all the sata lanes you could have 117 sata drives running simultaneously at full speed

sonic meadow
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your math sounds an order of magnitude off

jade scaffold
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More if you consider HDDs only really run at a little over GB speeds as apposed to 6gb

sonic meadow
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that would be less than a drive per pcie lane

sacred seal
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How many drives does a storinator fit?

jade scaffold
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Pcie gen 5 is 4gbps per lane apparently

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Which yea sounds really off

sonic meadow
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bytes not bits

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its 4GB/s, or 32GT/s

jade scaffold
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Right yes thatd be it

sacred seal
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So like 1k drives

jade scaffold
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Thanks pcie website for making that not atall clear and for not using the same measurement as everything else

sacred seal
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1.5k?

sonic meadow
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I just looked at wikipedia :p

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and that speed is in each direction too apparently

jade scaffold
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How did it reply to that

sonic meadow
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sata is half-duplex, so the 6Gb/s is really more like 3 in each direction

jade scaffold
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Well it can do 6 in either direction just not at the same time

sonic meadow
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plus encoding brings it down to 4.8 anyway

jade scaffold
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Yea

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Ok so at gen 5 speeds
4GB/s which is 32gbps

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Right

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Math is mathing so far right

sacred seal
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Ii was thinking this would be the kind of projectfor ltt and I decided to take a look at there social blade, man gn did a number on them. Monthly viewership is down like 40%

jade scaffold
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X that by 128 for number of pcie lanes 4096gbps
Divide that by the 6 sata asks for gets you 682+ the 32 off the CPU gets you 714 sata ports theoretically if you fuck off anything else that wants itself pcie lanes

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If you then occupy all those with 22tb hardrives that's 15708tb of space

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Or if you put a 100tb sata SSD on each 71400tb of space theoretically possible

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That is immensely stupid

sacred seal
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Not quite enough for a heptabyte project

jade scaffold
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Isn't it exabyte after pb

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2 epycs could theoretically do 1.5 exabyte

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Ish

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It could get over 1 exabyte atleast

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Imagine running 700 sata drives in raid zero

sacred seal
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Your right, it is exa

jade scaffold
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Me thinks you might need 8 H100s to manage that much data

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Though you wouldn't be able to feed them the data fast enough to get full speed on an array that stupid big

sacred seal
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You would need to put like half your array on each cpu, and dedicate the other half to gpu compute

jade scaffold
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2 epycs would only™️ get you 148 PetaBytes

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So you'd need 7 lots of that absurd set up

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And then you can finally download all the games in your steam library

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Might shift the global average temperature leaving such an atrocity running but oh well what we do for more games storage

sacred seal
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Could probably fit all the games on steam

jade scaffold
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fukin probably

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Estimates range from 10 to 50 PetaBytes for every game on steam which is totally doable in 1 threadripper that's the funniest shit ever

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What did you buy a threadripper for?
To download steam

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Just all of it

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£600 for R-DIMM ecc ddr5 😢

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Only 4800mhz

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Really hope someone releases something in the run up or on launch that's gonna be useable with them and not evict my wallet from existence

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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The threadrippers only support R-DIMM

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New ones I mean

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And the black PCB RDIMMs are more expensive than buying green ones and putting heat spreaders on them

cinder lagoon
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ahhh sucks

jade scaffold
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Hoping someone closer to launch drops some 8gb RDIMMs then life will be good

mossy gull
mossy gull
jade scaffold
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I hope I don't wanna be spending over 250 on ram ideally

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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The issue is it's not like the ram itself is overly expensive

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It's only slightly more expensive than normal ddr5

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Per GB atleast

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But it only comes in 16gb sticks

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And I want to fill all my memory channels so I need 8 sticks

sacred seal
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Very few tasks make use of the extra bandwidth provided by dual channel+

jade scaffold
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With how much Ryzen 7000 benefits from extra ram speed as well as how terrible memory management in some of the games I play is along with already buying a £1000+ CPU I may as well get the most out if it I can

jade scaffold
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Mobos

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Active vrm cooling 🤢

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Here's asus's trx50

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mossy gull
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Only reason I would use Threadripper is the amount of PCIe lanes and the amount of cores to do more than 2 things

jade scaffold
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Also Asus also have active cooling in that board

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Piss off with your little screamy fans

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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LIES

jade scaffold
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They cool intel CPUs fine

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And that Asus board has like 40 vrm phsses

cinder lagoon
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IO shield? who needs that 🗣️

sonic meadow
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its got one, just not integrated

jade scaffold
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only really seen TRX50 boards sofar

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though Asus have said they are dropping a WRX90 board

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i dont understand why they need active cooling

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these ass holes are gonna charge a minimum of 500 for one of these boards so why not do what they've allways done for CPUs and just Add more phases to the VRM till the heat is so spread out it doesnt need active cooling

like asuss intel boards can easilly sustain 350w without any active cooling atall
and your telling me that with over 40 vrm phases you couldnt just stick a big passive heatsink to them and it be fine?

sonic meadow
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Space around the socket is a constraint on those boards compared to desktop cpu offerings, so they can necessarily get the vrm count or size of heatsink needed for pure passive cooling. especially with the HEDT cpus typically having higher power draw. the ryzen 5000 threadrippers for instance had TDPs somewhere around 2.5 to 3x the desktop parts, with expected draws being similarly as high.

The fans on the Asrock board do look abnoxious though, and it would have been nice if they had found a less-active solution. It is always possible that they only come under high load (or when the vrm temps report sufficiently high) and that the heatsinks are sufficient for passive cooling under "normal" operation.

Also consider that a larger proportion of modern HEDT (or threadripper at least) get an AIO cooler instead of an air cooler, which means you get less secondary cooling from the cpu cooler on the nearby components.

jade scaffold
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the power draw of them when not overclocked isnt even gonna be that high again
With far far less phases they are powering intel CPUs that come within 50w Power draw with passivly cooled VRMs

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i get that they want to be able to say look you can OC your threadripper as far as you physically can

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but in that case give me the option not to use your wimpy ass fans that'll break then be near impossible to replace at the slightest ammount of shock

sonic meadow
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7000 series threadrippers have a TDP of 350w. exactly what that means is a question all on its own however 😆

jade scaffold
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mobos typically never have the option to dissable the built in fans and that Asus boards sorry excuse of a heatsink on its vrms make it seem like it'll need thoes dipshit fans

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but with how small said vrm heatsink and fan is it looks like if they used a copper heatsink it'd probably run fine passivly if you can get away with such a tiny one with a fan

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really hoping Gigabyte make a WRX90 board that has the same kinda VRM design as their TRX50 board

sonic meadow
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I seem to recall reading (quite a few years ago now, so quite fuzzy and absolute no source to back it up) that copper tends to work worse for passive heatsinks in a PC application than aluminium.

jade scaffold
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because they have managed passive cooling in a standard ATX formfactor and everything with a smaller VRM

jade scaffold
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regardless

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they have plenty of vertical room to stick big heatsinks on them

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atleast the Asrock fans look easy to replace with like noctua ones so you dont have to listen to "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" all the time

sonic meadow
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one of these days I should do some logging and check if my x570 chipset fan ever comes on, I have it set so that it comes on at... 55C I think

mossy gull
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I am thinking on selling an Ryzen 9 5900X, I think 32GB RAM, and ROG Strix B550MenheraNervousEhehe

jade scaffold
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lots o people sellin parts recently

cerulean helm
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Gotta say this 13700k seems to be a golden chip for overclocking.

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Forgot to add ignore the max core voltage as thats before I apply my core offset manually using Intel Extreme. Usially its a -0.25 to -0.35 offset depending on the game.

spiral hedge
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god why does this keep happening

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jade scaffold
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It hates you

jade scaffold
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Just found out I can just straight up but an ampere Dev kit

cinder lagoon
spiral hedge
mossy gull
spiral hedge
mossy gull
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I would try that

jade scaffold
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https://www.ipi.wiki/products/com-hpc-ampere-altra

I-Pi SMARC
Ampere Altra Dev Kit

COM-HPC-ALT Server Type Size E Module with Ampere® Altra® SoC (Arm Neoverse N1-based architecture),32/64/96/128 Arm v8.2 64-bit cores up to 1.7/2.2/2.8/2.6 GHz, with support for up to 768GB DDR4 memory. COM-HPC Server base supporting up to 3 x16,2x4 PCIe slots, 2x M.2 storage connector, VGA, 1x GbE LAN, 4x USB 3.0/2.0[rear I/O], GPIOs, and other...

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32 core arm CPU

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And mobo for 2k

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Really not bad tbf

spiral hedge
mossy gull
surreal moss
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I don’t see how a VM prevents that crash

cinder lagoon
# spiral hedge i tried that D:

I'm not sure you did - did you create a windows install media and clean the disk with diskpart?
KMode_Exception_Not_Handled

spiral hedge
cinder lagoon
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*KMode... leads me to believe maybe there is loose RAM or improper CPU seating too

cinder lagoon
spiral hedge
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i do tech support for a living i just dont have any more ideas to fix the problem without reinstalling windows but it somehow always comes back when i did

cinder lagoon
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so you also took care of all chipset drivers? whats your hardware looking like?

spiral hedge
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dont get me wrong this pc was built when ifirstgot int ocomputers and ahs slowly bene getting updated since but i ahve wiped it like 5 times

cinder lagoon
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your motherboard is a x470 chipset?

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(btw your Processor is really holding back your performance)

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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the CPU is not holding back performance

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not atall

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i mean i guess at that res it would

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but an oced 1600af was keeping a 3070 at arround 70% utilisation in 1080p

cinder lagoon
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a 2700X?? its practically ancient compared to the GPU and if its an x470 board there's cheap(ish) upgrades

sacred seal
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I have a 2700x with a 6900xt

jade scaffold
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the 2700x is fine with a 3060

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the 3060 is slower than the 1080ti

cinder lagoon
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yes

jade scaffold
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the 1080ti i had was fed with 0 isssue by the 2700

sacred seal
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I run 4k, but I have yet to be CPU bound in a game

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At least up to 144hz

jade scaffold
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even in GTA a game i now have issues with bottlenecking in the 1080ti wasnt bottleknecked

cinder lagoon
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I felt issues with a 3700X

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and 6800

jade scaffold
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then you broke somthing

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because unless you are in 1080p low settings a 3700x should have 0 issue with somthing like a 6800

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especially at any reasonable resolution above 1080 like 1440

cinder lagoon
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I had 1080p 120Hz and even disregarding the horrible stuttering my 3700X had, I mostly barely got to 90 FPS afair

sacred seal
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Of course, its somewhat game dependent, there are some real CPU bound games, but a 3060 is like what, a 2070? For the era that would be awell balanced to CPU heavy pairing

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Cyberpunk 2077 2.0 I was doing 70fps average, but I was definitely GPU limited

cinder lagoon
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well, games like cyberpunk went at like 40 FPS with somewhat medium graphics

sacred seal
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RT on or off? I had to run with it off, AMD GPUs don't seem to handle RT well. But every thing else was ultra

cinder lagoon
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no RT obv

sacred seal
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Yea, I would say something wierd with your system then. 2.0 is a fair bit more demanding then launch too my knowedge

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My 2700x should not be beating your 3700x by that much

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Even factoring in the different GPUs

cinder lagoon
#

I don't have any records of the performance but BFV always had horrible hangs, minecraft was walking (tho pre driver update)

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and everything just felt kinda shite - I DO have a good system now but before the CPU upgrade it kinda sucked

jade scaffold
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In addition to that Ryzen 3000 should easily manage a 3070

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And a 3060 is only as fast as a 1080 which is a GPU older than the 2700x there should be zero issues running something as slow as a 3060 on Ryzen 2000

spiral hedge
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to be fair the motherboard and cpu are the oldest things in their now

jade scaffold
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Hey atleast it's an Asus b450 not an asrock one

cinder lagoon
# spiral hedge

Did you or did you not install the correct Chipsets driver from the Asus website then?

spiral hedge
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I doubt I would install the wrong one when it was fine when it was originally built it's just started having problems about 2 years ago and it's been getting worse and worse

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Yes

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They are better now tbf and their industry and server stuff has always been on point

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But their b450s were well and truly ass

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In other news Intel's all e core processors the N100 N200 N300 and N305 are actually pretty sick

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I recon with the n100 or n200 you could make a super tiny hand held console like ps vita kinda thing

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Give it a lil low Res screen and I recon it'd actually be really good

sonic meadow
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heh, my server is running an asrock b450 board 😆

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and its been up for a while now

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the exact same uptime as my nas. must have had a power issue 115 days ago... was that when I replaced the ups batteries?

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jade scaffold
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My b450 never crashed

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But it was pure wank

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They used the cheapest pile of shit io controllers they could find

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Causing just general connectivity issues when alot of high bandwidth stuff is plugged in and with alot of Bluetooth connected

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An issue I have at no point had with any of the other boards I had

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This mainly effected their fatality line of boards

frozen igloo
surreal moss
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Uh, I would say it is

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Though I’d question why it was $800

mossy gull
frozen igloo
frozen igloo
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It seems like it's a scam still weighting on some replies however.

Seeing that deal got me looking at other PC's to replace my dying computer, does this https://www.ebay.com/itm/166202025254?amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4DHsQsy4hDulyC70xm6cfil8oRMtKG91DoYNmtLunK9UBnSWkuhVOKGqRGjA252ucsBX%2BKolubFApEzkdkcm2gdnjHFKDspUuh%2BeM9PmMFYe84Rj6VBOfOfhyzBNgUIbrlFwvuZ5nSCCzq5E2%2BNwMo3W48rNxZ%2FyU%2BY%2FM1ReNCczdR1YPcjbp3x17hm4Fr5dDBx6qHVUJlqfJYvQshTSsbztz5QCP7QMa%2BJ%2B72bCOfzyzh7g4WPnbAirFdZ9C1ATs7Z0o0RN5BAGTZnWgJgWnt15yTe%2Bv5CP1LkHSHbN6XZf|tkp%3ABk9SR4Dp2bfxYg&LH_BIN=1 seem like a decent deal? Anything that would need to change changed ie cooler, ram psu?

eBay
Asus ROG G15CE-B9 Gaming PC Intel i7-11700F 16GB 512GB SSD + 1TB HD...

1TB HDD + 512GB SSD. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8GB GDDR6. GPUNVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070. Storage TypeHDD + SSD. SSD Capacity512 GB. Included in the box Desktop PC, KB and mouse, power cable. Power & Battery.

surreal moss
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Might want more Ram depending on what you’re going to be playing

frozen igloo
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Luckily ram is cheap and easy to install so if that's the only issue that's not that bad

surreal moss
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Tbf I haven’t looked at the rest of the build either

frozen igloo
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It appears to have a intel stock cooler so that would likely need to be replaced

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Is a 11700f and a 3070 still a good deal for 600?

jade scaffold
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Yea

frozen igloo
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Is a 5800x and 3070 for 650 a better deal? Same seller has that available as well

jade scaffold
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Performance wouldn't really be different in most cases

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And neither option has much of anything in the way of upgrading the CPU

frozen igloo
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The 5800x could do x3d but that's it

jade scaffold
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Yea it's a dead platform

frozen igloo
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Would it still be a good computer to buy for the price? I know it's dead end, though if it has the potential last a few years before it has performance issues that's not the end of the world

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I'd probably replace the cooler with a peerless assasian and look into upgrading to 32gb of ram

pearl moon
frozen igloo
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I ordered the 5800x and 3070 pc, once I can confirm the specs I will see if there is anything that needs to get upgraded, I'm thinking about updgrading the case, psu, ram and cooler do you have any recommendations for those while still being moderately inexpensive?

cinder lagoon
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what did you pay for that thing again? 600?
imma say everything that all in all stays within 1000

frozen igloo
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After tax 675 for a 5800x and 3070

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I already have good storage so that's not a concern not to mention it comes with a good bit

cinder lagoon
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well its a non-proprietary mobo, only two ram slots tho...
its an OEM GPU... hmmm
actually I would kind of recommend against this PC - after you've "upograded" it you will have rebuilt the entire thing anyway so you could also start from scratch and know what you got

sonic meadow
#

The OEM GPU variants can be surprisingly good.
Can.

frozen igloo
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Could you get something for a similar price? I can still cancel the order, I can build a pc myself fairly easily

sacred seal
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That looks like a blower style card in there, assuming the picture is accurate

cinder lagoon
#

at least looks like one

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and I assume its only the rear fan, the case got no USB C or similar, the mobo is a bottom tier one... hmmm

sonic meadow
sacred seal
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I don't really see any reason to upgrade the system other then mabey the ram

cinder lagoon
#

imma pull up a pcpartpicker real quick and see what can be done in about 800 bucks

frozen igloo
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If I go up to 1k I could do this

frozen igloo
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I have 2 2tb 970 evo plus that I can use, I would just need to do some stuff to get a windows install onto a seperate ssd

sacred seal
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With a board like that, that is probably not a option

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Well you can swap out the 1TB for the one of the 2 TB

frozen igloo
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If I forgo the prebuilt I wouldn't have the 1tb

sacred seal
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Doi, misread that...l my bad

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I read that as storage could be extended...

frozen igloo
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Ah, I can fit most of my games if not all on one of my 2tb drives, it wouldn't be a major issue regardless

cinder lagoon
#

dangs stuff has been gotten expensive.... I'm trying to do an "upgradeable" system regarding the core components but not sure

sacred seal
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Yea, the refurb is very good value for the performance, but its going to be loud and you are not going to get much upgradability out of it

cinder lagoon
#

dang why is it all so expensieve

frozen igloo
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I don't forsee their being much upgradability at that budget regardless, I was thinking about moving it a lancool 216 and chaning the cooler to a peerless assasian to solve temps if they are bad

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Regardless it probably won't be louder than my current laptop (fans at nearly 7k rpm to be at a cool 100c)

sacred seal
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It's the GPU that kills it in terms of value. That card is about half the budget right there, doesn't leave much for the rest of the parts

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Even if it is crappier then even the most basic AM part

cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Bundle I think

cinder lagoon
#

but yes it would be slightly better

sacred seal
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400 for mobo, cpu and ram

frozen igloo
cinder lagoon
#

ohh okay great
and if you have access to a Samsung SSD

frozen igloo
#

I have 2 2tb 970 evo plus and a semi functional laptop to clone if that's what you are getting at

sacred seal
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Which is really good. Easily 550$ worth of hardware there

cinder lagoon
#

I would recommend against a Seasonic PSU at 750W only. rather an 850RMx from corsair at that wattage

cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
#

Although that is pushing what I want to pay a bit but a really good deal

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
#

That's better value strictly speaking, but a bad pairing

cinder lagoon
#

and kinda unneccesary

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the 64GB of RAM that is

sacred seal
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Lets put one of the highest end cpu and 64gbs of ram on what is one of the lowest end motherboards

cinder lagoon
#

yea pretty much

frozen igloo
#

Yeah.... it used to be 32gb but it wouldn't move off the shelves

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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NVM, that is a really high end B650 board, I thought it was one of the lower end boards asus offered

#

Still a b550 though

cinder lagoon
#

no thrills, no frills but expandable down the line

frozen igloo
#

Missing a psu I'll fix that real quick

sacred seal
#

I'd go with a 3070 instead of a 4060ti

frozen igloo
#

I may be able to find cheaper, non open box coolers etc

sacred seal
#

Cheaper and more performance (generally)

cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
sacred seal
#

You would have to buy it seperate

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NVM, I thought they cost 300, I was wrong...

cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
#

Is it bad enough where I should return the prebuilt and hold off buying if I can go without for a little while?

sacred seal
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The prebuilt is better value

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From a strictly performance standpoint

frozen igloo
#

Would it be worth upgrading to 32gb of 3200 MT/S ram and a better cooler?

sacred seal
#

Personally I would say no, at least not initially

frozen igloo
#

Cooling should be fine? Power supply not a hazard?

sacred seal
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PSUs are rarely a hazzard.

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And if you notice the system getting hot its easy enough to add in a better cooler later

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Its not like there has been a major PSA about that model of computer dying prematurely

frozen igloo
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So the pre-built isn't a bad buy just not a ton of upgrade paths without a whole new system

sacred seal
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And the GPU is a blower

frozen igloo
sacred seal
#

But yea, basically

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Its more like 25-30% faster per dollar

cinder lagoon
#

just for having an upgrade path - the ebay built is like end of line already but not quite there

frozen igloo
cinder lagoon
#

prebuilt but I have a strong opinion on those

frozen igloo
#

I'd rather not get a prebuilt but it seemed like a pretty solid deal

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If I had the capital right now I'd build a more expensive pc because ideally I'll start getting more work editing video from weddings and reality

cinder lagoon
#

it kinda is but its still a prebuilt

sacred seal
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Its a prebuilt, but other then the GPU which I don't think asus sells, its all AM componentry as far as I can tell

cinder lagoon
#

so something of a sour pill to swallow - if you would take the prebuilt as is or arent tightily budgeted you could take it but if you were gonna change stuff anyways - start from scratch

sacred seal
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Don't know about the PSU, but everything else I think you can buy all those parts individually on the market

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Its basically a bundle of asus components

frozen igloo
#

From what I could gather it has SK hyinx ram, a variety of psu oem and a assortment of asus parts

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Gpu not being on their website, same thing with the case

sacred seal
#

I know asus makes cases, I thought that was one of the options they sold?

frozen igloo
cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
#

Would it be better for me to build a 1k system with a 4060ti rather than that with a 3070?

cinder lagoon
#

ASUS branded OEM but still OEM

sacred seal
#

Looking at PCer I can't find that particular asus case, so it seems like I am likely wrong

#

Think I may have gotten it mixed up with the z11

frozen igloo
#

How is AMD compared to intel right now FSR a competitor to DLSS?

sacred seal
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It comes down to a game by game thing still.

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DLSS is better, but not enough games support it yet

frozen igloo
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Since you can get a 6700xt for ~300 right now

frozen igloo
cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
#

Do we think there will be decent black friday deals online? If so I will cancel the prebuilt and see if there are decent deals if not I can live without a pc for a little while

cinder lagoon
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really can't say - as you could probably tell we're all a bit surprised about the current state of the market

frozen igloo
#

Yeah.... overall would you say it's worth getting the prebuilt, or would you expect if I can weight a few months I can build a better pc (potentially with a higher budget as well)

cinder lagoon
#

the prebuilt is a really good option for the RIGHT NOW
BUT:
anything but the GPU and storage would require a completely new system if warranted for an upgrade and you wanted to change the appearance anyway as far as I could tell

frozen igloo
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I don't care about appearance, I would be switching the case because of thermals

#

Would it be a system that would be worth getting then fully replacing in say around 3-5 years?

cinder lagoon
#

ahhhh

cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
#

Ideally If I can get between 3-5 years with a system like the prebuilt then build a 1800-2500 high end system for creative work and gaming

cinder lagoon
#

that would sound about right but after 3 years its probably already gonna be really chuggin - the 3060 really isn't great, just good value

#

if you want a PC now I'd say go for it but its not an investment

frozen igloo
#

Well it's to late for me to return the pc without contacting the seller, they have a 30 day return policy where they pay for shipping so I will check it out once it arrives then go for there

cinder lagoon
#

alrighty

frozen igloo
#

Once I get it do you want me to send pictures of the pc or anything such as benchmarks to see what your thoughts are on it?

cinder lagoon
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nah, just be sure to turn on XMP

frozen igloo
#

From the videos I saw it should be on by default and can be user adjusted, I won't leave it at JDEC however it takes 2 seconds to check

cinder lagoon
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and wipe everything / reflash the BIOS after securing the windows key by linking it to a microsoft account

frozen igloo
#

Where would I go to get the proper BIOS? If I already have a key linked to my account should I use another email or will it not matter

#

I got a cheap laptop earlier this year for school that is linked to my microsoft account

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No issues come up from having multiple license's on my account?

cinder lagoon
frozen igloo
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👍

jade scaffold
#

Look at this interesting lil thing

cinder lagoon
#

hmmm looks pretty much just like some more or less proprietary industrial compute module

jade scaffold
#

It's not proprietary

#

COMe has been around for ages and times if companies produce them

#

There's like a million types of COMe tho

#

its a spec in the same way PCIE or USB is

cinder lagoon
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thats not what I meant I meant some industry standart that nobody outside has any use for

#

like - gimme an enthusiast use case for it :P

jade scaffold
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tiny hand held windows gaming console

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or even just a lil nano PC

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Khandas use the same Processor in one of their upcomign ones

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but khandas overprice everything massivly

cinder lagoon
#

huh

jade scaffold
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Like its the size of a credit card

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Actually a lil smaller

cinder lagoon
#

ohh dang

sacred seal
#

Man Corsair's customer service has really fallen off of a cliff. Takes them more then two days to respond to my warrenty updates, often by asking for information I have already provided them.

cinder lagoon
#

ooof

#

whats broken?

sacred seal
#

My left click is messed up. Sometimes it wont register, and others it will double click

cinder lagoon
#

ahh dang very annoying

olive fiber
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Hey guys; was looking at maybe upgrading my display, but I have some.. odd requirements and desires.. so wanted to get your thoughts if anyone has a lot of knowledge in these things.

I use it with a mac for work stuff, and I'm pretty picky about image quality, color, HDR, contrast, etc. So I need USB-C/Thunderbolt support with 90W of power delivery for the macbook. Since I'm also picky about sharpness, 2160 pixels tall is a minimum. For gaming, I generally play sims or MMOs and the like, so high refresh rate isn't a huge deal.. I generally don't get that much improvement out of more than 60Hz, but it would certainly be nice.The main performance game would be Star Citizen. The biggest thing I want is HDR support, better color gamut, contrast, and brightness. Right now I have a Dell U4021QW.. so ultrawide 5k x 2k. But it's got kinda low contrast, isn't very bright, and doesn't support HDR.

I'd be fine replacing it with two 27" or 32" displays as well. GSync would be a bonus, not not required. I've got a 48" LG OLED, but the RGBW subpixel and auto dimming issues were kind of a deal breaker for me, so it gets largely unused these days

cinder lagoon
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whats your budget? sounds expensive...

olive fiber
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Well, the one I was looking at is about $1800. If they're great displays, I'd spend $1000 each on two.

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But I'm betting I could get a big improvement on two $700 displays

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LG makes one that sounds perfect.. but I have a hunch it's the same panel, just with newer input electronics, since it supports Thunderbolt 4, and HDR.. but I don't know if it's actually brighter, more contrast, etc.

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I'm also going to see if I can sort out the autodimming thing on my OLED, but it has other issues like not turning off when you turn the PC off.

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Pretty sure it costs them nothing to add that to every display, whether or not it's marketed as a 'TV' or 'computer display'. Can't imagine it brakes something when used as a TV

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But if I could find a bright 40" ish OLED that doesn't have the autodimming stuff, I'd grab that in a heartbeat

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Biggest problem is finding one at 4K. Supposedly Alienware's OLED doesn't do the autodimming, but it's only 1440p

cinder lagoon
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well if you value good image quality I'd recommend an >=HDR-700 display, probably going for OLED at this point.
I don't usually shop around this pricepoint but I'm sure I can find something great along with the sources to back it up ^^

olive fiber
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I seem to either run into OLEDs (which either are low resolution, or have screen dimming issues), or they're gaming displays so don't have USB-C/power delivery/thunderbolt.. OR they're business displays, so just aren't very pretty (like image quality wise).

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And all the OLEDs I've seen so far fall into the gaming category, so still don't have power delivery. I could probably make it work with a docking station to plug the displays into or something, but that's another big cost.

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Daisy chaining Thunderbolt 4 displays would be ideal.. but those are rare, and usually expensive.

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Like.. REAL expensive

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I'm eyeing this one: LG 40WP95C-W, but I'm worried it's just the same panel as what I have, and so won't be a huge improvement, even if it does claim HDR and mine doesn't.

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The data on rtings makes me feel like they're identical panels. So many of the numbers are within measurement error of each other.

cinder lagoon
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hmm seems like my ressources are pretty limited actually - I don't have a good comparison service but I would skim through some LTT monitor reviews or even short circuits (they have accuracy data in them now)

olive fiber
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Is this the right forum for people doing 3D modeling and printing?

olive fiber
cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Anyone know how to manage steam workshop content? I'm cleaning up my files and apparently I have 403GBs of stuff there

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However I rarely (Never?) actually use the workshop, so I have no clue what is actually in there, and I don't just want to delete all of it

timber barn
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@olive fiber I got the LG 38WN95C-W for the high resolution

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but only use it for work atm

olive fiber
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A bit higher resolution.. but not sure on the colors and such. The Dell I have that seems to be the same panel isn't amazing. It's good, but I'm a bit picky and it's not up to what I expected.

timber barn
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refresh rate is a bit low on this one

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but guess is a older one...

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ja scrap the last one

olive fiber
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I like the idea of the thunderbolt 4 daisy chain capability of the one I linked

timber barn
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so for my choice at the end it was high refresh rate + high power rate + high resolution which led me to my current one

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so it felt a bit like a jack of all trades for me

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(the LG 38WN95C-W)

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only downer is that it doesn't have a KVM, the usb ports are a joke

olive fiber
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I had this one which was pretty nice: U2720QM

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Still have it in the closet. Maybe I need to just dust it off ;p

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Or get a second one

timber barn
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yeah but finding the right monitor is hard

olive fiber
timber barn
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or the G95NC

olive fiber
# timber barn or the G95NC

I looked at that.. but I don't know if I trust Samsung. Always had weird driver issues and whatever from them

timber barn
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yep

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but it seems like the ultimate machine

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the price is bonkers 😄

olive fiber
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I really want at least 2160 pixels tall

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At that size, 1440 is just too low for me. I can see the pixels

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4K displays at that height as just enough where I can't.

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I mean, I could use heavy AA and whatnot, but for text and graphics, it kinda sucks. And I do a lot of that with my time

timber barn
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IMHO WQHD on 27 is fine

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so those 49 are basically 2x27

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but yeah on my LG I went for the higher rez too

olive fiber
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Like, I want to be around the 150ppi

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The 40" I have is like, 142 ppi.. the 27" 4k is around 164ppi..but the G95MC is 109ppi

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So, 32" 4K is about the largest I'd want before bumping up to 6K.

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Or just sitting further back ;p

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Buuut.. then my nearsightedness kicks in and I want to sit closer.

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Buuuut then my old age kicks in and I need to sit back

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It's rough being in your 40s/

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I guess one benefit also, is I have a large line of credit with Dell. >.>

timber barn
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haha, yeah you start to feel the age

olive fiber
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And I ended up starting to get chronic pain issues in my 30s.. which.. hasn't aged well, if you'll pardon the humor.

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Really, I'd like to see an OLED that's overcom the autodimming problems.

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OLEd is amazing to play Star Citizen on

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I have one here, but it was so annoying for text and graphics editing kinda stuff or modeling, that I quit using it

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Hm, Dell's coming out with a 6K 32" Thunderbolt 4 display. Bet that's expensive.. but.. should be nice.

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Yeah, $3k

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7680x2160 pixels.

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So, two 4K displays, side by side

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Nice. Includes KVM and USB 3.. but no USB 4.

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Any bets on how well SC will work on that? ;p

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Man.. sooooo tempting...

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A bit over the budget I had planned.

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But.. it is almost perfect

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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i also some how doubt it has proper ultrawide support

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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oh jeez thats super bad support

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even games that dont support ultrawides usually atleast dont throw the hud off screen

olive fiber
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SC works fine at.. 21:9, I think it is? that I'm using now

jade scaffold
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yes but is it propper support

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or just like stretch image kinda support

olive fiber
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Seems so. Only a couple things don't expand to fill the screen.

jade scaffold
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because most games are stretch image kinda support

sacred seal
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And that is ultra ultrawide

olive fiber
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No, doesn't do that

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No, it's not

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This samsung is the UUW

mossy gull
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HUD elements, or well most, are still in 16:9

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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okay so looking at SCs ultrawide support
it appears to just get a 16:9 frame and fukin cut the tops off them

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thats vile

olive fiber
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Yeah, hud elements are all good. Just sometimes like when you wake up in the hospital, only the 4K zone in the middle is black and fades in.. the left and right areas outside of that are rendered fully, so you see hospital room around it while the center is black

mossy gull
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2 16:9 is super-ultra-wide, 2 4:3 is ultra-wide

olive fiber
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But pretty small issue

olive fiber
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Least, doesn't seem to

jade scaffold
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yea it does you just dont know what to look for

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this is basically what it does

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olive fiber
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It just puts all HUD/UI elements in the middle of the display and just more rendered area on the left and right. Some UI elements do get bumped to the full side

jade scaffold
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makes things more zoomed in than they should look

olive fiber
jade scaffold
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rather than extending the side frames

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this way it does avoid the stretching issue

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but it is not proper use of 21:9

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and would look totally vile at 32:9

mossy gull
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SC is cropping the frame, as long we don't get the new render engine it will stay stuck on this

jade scaffold
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yea

mossy gull
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There's certain texts that are still cut-off

jade scaffold
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alot of games also just stretch the screen

olive fiber
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I've not seen anything cut off yet, so you'll have to show me.

jade scaffold
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which is fine ish if done right at most of the screen is in periferal vision so it being correctly visulised isnt much of an issue

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but this kinda Cropping is a kinda crappy way to fix the stretching issue

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they aparently mostly sorted the UI

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so none of it is supposed to appear off screen

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but it does still crop a 16:9 image down to be a 21:9 one and one could assume a game built in the way SC is would probably not have anything close to resembling 32:9 image support

olive fiber
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You guys got me all excited about monitors again. Got to keep looking now.

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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It just looks like this

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cinder lagoon
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ya got a disktree or similar installed?

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run it in this dir

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I'd suspect SE (244850) takes a good chunk of it but probably not the most

sacred seal
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Yea, its just directories inside directories

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cinder lagoon
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yeah the number in it are MOD IDs

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hang on

sacred seal
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Most of its in 555160, is that the game id?

cinder lagoon
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yes the games steam ID

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pavlov VR

sacred seal
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Ah, so that's how it works

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Thanks

cinder lagoon
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its most likely maps

sacred seal
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In this case I don't think they are my mods. Pavlov is a game that I have through family share

cinder lagoon
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also: if steam downloads stuff from servers that you one-time played it wont delete them and probably subbed you to the items

sacred seal
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Yea, that's most likely the case here. My brother probably signed into my PC once and I got his mod list

cinder lagoon
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thats also pretty likely

sonic meadow
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stuff that it downloads when you connect to a server it will eventually clean out

cinder lagoon
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in this case - just delete the entire folder. if they are needed again, steam will redownload

sacred seal
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Man Thrawns revenge is massive (relative)

cinder lagoon
sonic meadow
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or at least thats been my experience with SE

sacred seal
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Yea, thats what I ended up doing. That's a good chunk of hard drive space freed

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Thanks all for the help

sonic meadow
cinder lagoon
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games will manage the server mod stuff on their own - if they aren't launched tho and not with this account...? probably not

sacred seal
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Pavlov thrives on modded content, bsically every server is its own mod

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I think my brother has like 800GBs worth of pavlov content

sonic meadow
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daaaaamn

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higher vram graphics cards were a mistake. should have just stuck with 512MB.

cinder lagoon
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I think pavlov could use a little compression and some sort of Garrys mod source common mod resource pack

sacred seal
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I'm not sure how much that would help, the stuff people do with it is insane. There is a battlefront 2 mod that basically recreates the origional battlefront 2 in VR

cinder lagoon
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ok that IS insane but like many maps share some form of content

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like - nobody needs yet another sort of slightly different crate

sonic meadow
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images (ie textures) dont compress worth a damn. they are typically already compressed (even if its one of the less-dense gpu texture formats) and double compressing is basically worthless

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same with sounds

cinder lagoon
sonic meadow
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whats that in metric?

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😛

sacred seal
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From my limited experince playing around with the mod tools, it basically supports most of UE4, so while you can use stuff from the base game, you can also just pull in any random asset pack from the marketplace

sonic meadow
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In other news, the NIC in my server is annoying me. I get around 900-1000Gb/s (around 100MB/s) pulling stuff off my NAS, but only about 600-700Gb/s (80MB/s) when pushing stuff to said NAS

sacred seal
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Write limitation of the array?

cinder lagoon
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are you sure its the NIC limitation? try with a RAM disk

sonic meadow
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back when I initially populated the NAS (with my personal pc not the server) I was getting around 110MB/s

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ie actually bouncing off the gigabit limit

cinder lagoon
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us it HDDs?

sonic meadow
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four of them in zraid5

cinder lagoon
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if they are more full the outer radius makes them less responsive

sonic meadow
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when I said 80MB/s i mean its basically perfectly flat, and has been for the last several TB written to the array

cinder lagoon
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yes I would say that makes sense in this context - if you suspect problems with networking try a RAM disk or SSD at least

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or add a write cache for test purposes

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also keep in mind that calculating parity data can also easily limit your throughput

sonic meadow
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from some generic reading it could just be realtek nic thing

cinder lagoon
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I assume its not a windows NAS?
Many drivers have some options for limited transfer rate or whatever in Windows device "settings"

sonic meadow
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freenas

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a few updates behind admittedly

cinder lagoon
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something like this panel but probably in /etc/...

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sonic meadow
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and the server is running WinServer 2019

cinder lagoon
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wait huh? ohh you're transferring between server and NAS

sonic meadow
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yeah

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the realtek driver is... barebones compared to the intel in my personal pc 🤔

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I might update it next time I am on site

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not trusting a network driver update over rdp 😆

cinder lagoon
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ohhh yeah for sure

cinder lagoon
iron rock
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so my computer has started randomly restarting, done it twice now and when it does this it dosnt seam to boot up or it dosnt show anything on the montior at least until I cycle power on the PSU.

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its done this twice now in the last week

cinder lagoon
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windows, right?

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looked in event viewer yet?

iron rock
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nothing but a 41

cinder lagoon
iron rock
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I just described the symptoms, it shuts off and wont start back up. its a desktop and yes I was there both times it happened. audio freaks out for half a sec then it power cycles

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it might be a BSOD, I apperently still had the autorestart bs on.

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and windows crashlogger dosnt work on my computer for some fucking reasons. not that it has ever helped with things like this

cinder lagoon
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off like shutdown or pull the plug?

iron rock
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restarts but dosnt start up. dosnt even go to bios.

cinder lagoon
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so its stuck in some black screen nothing happening thing

iron rock
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unless it actually is starting up but the display driver never works. monitor stays black

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I dont think its doing that because the HDD light isnt blinking

cinder lagoon
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what do you mean by 41?

iron rock
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event 41, unexpected loss of power

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the useless error that tells you nothing

cinder lagoon
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ohh I see in my log yeah

iron rock
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also no overclock other then the basic xmp profile my ram came with and I have been using without problems for 4 years

cinder lagoon
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thing is - when windows starts up it already writes stuff into the log before it updates the time so look for the last messages before you see anything like "Kernel driver" or file system shit

iron rock
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was also not in a high load situation, was just watching some vids on youtube

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I know that, I looked. there are no errors or warnings

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other then the crashlogger error

cinder lagoon
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code 12 is the system start

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iron rock
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so I am sure it tried to write a crash log but couldnt

cinder lagoon
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ya mean a heapdump?

iron rock
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no

cinder lagoon
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do you have a virtual memory file on your boot disk?

cinder lagoon
iron rock
cinder lagoon
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ohh huh

iron rock
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I have had that problem for years.

cinder lagoon
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have you tried the dism stuff yet?


for ($i = 1; $i -le 5; $i++) {
    Write-Host "$i of 5"
    dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
    sfc /scannow
}
iron rock
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so the crash dump and system restor shit is all broken on my computer and I am in no mood to reinstall windows to fix it

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I dont know what that is

cinder lagoon
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ok dang let me educate

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sfc stands for system file checker - its an old Windows utility that checks some (don't actually know which) system files for corruption or other shit

iron rock
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checked the event 12 thing, it never made it to windows so its not started with the display disabled (something I saw someone mention happened with graphics card problems recently)

cinder lagoon
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dism is somewhat the same thing but it validates checksums for pretty much everything with online databases and refreshes broken files

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both will almost always "find something" but for me it was always best to run both (online checker first) a couple times consecutively

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many times it has actually fixed BSOD stuff or driver issues for me

cinder lagoon
iron rock
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its never software its always hardware for me. I am sure something has gone bad and need to be replaced because if it didnt cost me money I dont have it wouldnt be a problem I would face

cinder lagoon
iron rock
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yeah no

cinder lagoon
iron rock
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I had been woried I might run into power problems with my GPU, my PSU is slightly under sized for it. (550w) but this isnt happening in a game.

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or any other graphically demanding task

cinder lagoon
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yes but the no-start no-video leads me to believe that there is some form of intermittent issue during BIOS initialization and if the vBIOS is somewhat corrupt the BIOS might fail to continue a boot process in some specific scenarios

iron rock
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that is why I think it cant be the OS, has to be hardware or bios. because after restarting its not even making it too bios. but there is no warning light on the MB, it has those LEDs that let you know if something failed. they look the same as always

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I updated my bios about 2 months ago when I upgraded my CPU

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it feels like a PSU problem to me but could also be the MB or bios, I have no idea how to narrow it down

cinder lagoon
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hmmm

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try DISM anyways, it might fix the crash dump issue

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also: if it fails to load the crash dump driver it might be a disk issue?

iron rock
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it wont, I tried it when it fist started happening. know that I know what you were talking about with that I remember doing that.

cinder lagoon
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or RAM?

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still - cant hurt

iron rock
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that problem is a minor system corruption that happened like 4 years ago and ever sense the stupid OS wont even update. those checks also fail because it cant reach the update servers

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I know I should just reinstall but fuck that shit. microshaft has made it a fucking nightmare to get your computer back the way you want it

cinder lagoon
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yeah that systems severely fucked I might even believe compromised by some malware

iron rock
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its not

cinder lagoon
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you say that while also telling about how core "functions" (well thats up to personal taste) of the OS are shot beyond self-repair

iron rock
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when the core function is the thing that lets it talk to microshaft's servers is what is broken of course self repair isnt an option. because those fuckwits removed the ability to repair your OS off the install image

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because the CLOUD!!!@

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I hate windows, that whole thing should have been a 5 mins fix, it would have been in windows 7 or earlier

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this problem isnt releated

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I even know when and how the corruption happened, it was just a power outage. kind of thing that can break windows anytime

cinder lagoon
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it would really not have I've been doing stuff like that for ages and win7 was a mess regarding that

iron rock
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I repaired my windows 7 install that way a number of times, and my windows xp install before that. I hate reinstalling my OS so I fix it even if its a pain in the ass.

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all the hardcore PC nerds are into reinstalling there os, its seems to be fun for them. they reinstall at the first sign of anything being odd and rinstall once a year or more just to be sure. I cant do that, I cant deal with the change, it takes me months to get everything back the way I like it and its SO much worse with windows 10 because they hid or removed access to everything and added a mountain of spyware and adware that you have to fight to turn off

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and its clearly not the OS right now so I dont care. I just want to figure out why this is happening before my OS ends up so corrupted that I have to reinstall because that is what happens when your computer has BSOD or random shutdowns

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EVGA or SeaSonic. who is making the most reliable PSUs this year?

cinder lagoon
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pffftt EVGA and reliable

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Seasonic all the way for reliabilty

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they make their own components, everything in their lineup is the same super great quality

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scratch great, SUPERIOR

iron rock
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yeah... my current PSU is a seasonic gold.

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if they are so amazing then it cant possible be my PSU that is going bad I guess

cinder lagoon
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they have a ten year warranty on the entire thing

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if it IS going bad you'll get a free replacement

sonic meadow
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good products have a lower mortality and failure rate, not no failure rate

iron rock
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yeah right, warrenty. like those do me anygood. let me sit around without a computer for weeks while I send them my PSU, wait for them to test it, then maybe send me back a new one.

cinder lagoon
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tbh ya don't seem very cooperative right now and I'm also out of ideas so idk good luck

sonic meadow
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yeah, doesnt sound like they want solutions or help, just to fume

iron rock
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my computer is litterally my only link to ANYONE. its all I have in my shity fucking life. so yeah it freaks me the fuck out when something go's wrong

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I cant just do like everyone else and wait for warenty shit, I cant take it to a repair shop. I cant do anything but try to solve it my self

cinder lagoon
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well ya wont be fixin the PSU yourself soooo...
Last idea: order a replacement after filing warranty claim and "rent" the replacement for free by returning it after you got the replacement

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afaik Seasonic has fast times

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but you'll need to have reliable failures

iron rock
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exactly, not going to play the warenty when they might just say "dont see anything wrong with it" it might be my fucking MB. I dont know or it might be a problem that is intermitant enough that they cant pick it up. so I waste 1/4 the cost of just replacing the PSU on shipping for potentially nothing not to mention having to deal with shipping it and that is hard for me.

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so I want to narrow down where the problem is before I start throwing money at it

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it restarts and wont start up, wont even get to post. just sits there with the lights on. that means some safety messure tripped right?

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either a safety on the PSU or on the MB. it dosnt reset until the power is cycled at the PSU.

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so is that more likelly to be the PSU or the MB. and is there anyway to narrow it down?

cerulean helm
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Been having ISP issues lately. Download speeds are fine but upload isn't. Was upgraded to 1200 mbps down and 200 up, but only get 35 upload. Reset the modem and no change. Login into the modem and see a massive amount of errors listed in the individual channels.

So looks like I get to call my ISP and see whats going on.

iron rock
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check the cable for damage and connectors for corrosion. I had something like that only to have the ISP guy come out, unplug it from the wall and find a bit of corrosion on the connectors, new cable and everything was fine. so damn annoying

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(this was with DLS however and over phone line. if its coax that is probably less likely to be the thing)

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I dont actually know how the fiber setups are actually connected because no one will bring fiber to my area

cerulean helm
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Cable outside is brand new, only a couple years old. Had the ISP replace it the line from the house to the pole because of ripple issues.

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I think the issue is, is my service was upgraded but my modem (my own not the ISP) hasn't been properly re provitioned if that makes sense.

mossy gull
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PS5 slim cooler has 4 different size screws

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cerulean helm
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Ive had this modem for almost 2 years I think, and the ISP "online assistant" is now telling me its not been added to the billing system somehow. This is getting weird.

Its telling me my service is 1200 down and 35 up, but my billing says 1200 down and 200 up.

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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Its rated for it. Its a CM2050V

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Rated for up to 455mbps upload if I recall correctly.

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ofc, the ISP website is down for maintenance....

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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Or rather the 455 upload is all the ISP will push through this modem at this time. Its rated for up to 1.7gbps upload.

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Browsing reddit it looks like anyone with Xfinity in the past 2 months who got the free upgrade in upload speed is having the same issue I am. Most people got the problem solved by having the ISP re provision the modem. But ofc thats not possible as they are doing system maintenance and cannot access records.

mossy gull
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Maybe their underground cables aren't fast enough?

cerulean helm
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They offer 2 gig speeds here via my current ISP.

mossy gull
cerulean helm
cerulean helm
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And back to the joys of dealing with "tech support" from the ISP....

cerulean helm
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40 minutes of talking with their tech support just to get them to re provision the modem with the updated files for the new speeds...

And now, I get 1200 Mbps download and 200 Mbps upload. Its almost like I knew what I was asking for.

dull garnet
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I want upgrade 1440p monitor but can 1440p with 1080p monitor

cinder lagoon
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come again please?

cinder lagoon
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uhhhh... "potentially unwanted app"
but the history is empty??

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..found something here?

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mossy gull
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I don't speak East neighbour language 🙃

cinder lagoon
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btw: good to know that WinDef also keeps a text file of found "threats" - its all old Adware like IOBit Uninstaller... sooo phew

frozen igloo
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If you’re keyboard has extra keys such as G keys on some Corsair and Logitech keyboards what do you normally use them for or what would you use them for?

iron rock
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I use them for rage inducing keys, where I constantly hit G6 when trying to hit ctrl and it instantly pisses me off

jade scaffold
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Just bind g6 to ctrl

iron rock
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lol, I have been tempted to do that. jsut not done it because I would have to dig out the manual to figure out how

jade scaffold
jade scaffold