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[dull garnet]

Win my subwoofer and my UPS there's no room

[mossy gull]

A stand type stands on your desk, just like a normal monitor

[sacred seal]

Except it supports two displays instead of one

[dull garnet]

There's just one problem with this little argument I said I do not have the room to go bigger especially since I prefer having 2 monitors

[mossy gull]

See, it has a foot instead of a clamp

Actually this takes less space than 2 monitor feet

[dull garnet]

Saying I don't want to I can't have bigger monitors I don't have the room

[mossy gull]

Neither did I, I simply stacked my displays😅

[dull garnet]

I have a very small room

[surreal moss]

Otaku has said no. Probably leave it at that

[dull garnet]

Like I said I have a hallway for a room

Is trust me I've tried

And I did not fully intend to go corsair theme it just happened

[mossy gull]

Corsair good😅

[dull garnet]

My ram

Oh I'm the fans that came with the case are useless cause the motherboard I get only has 4 pen

[sonic meadow]

I know that feeling, one day i realised that all my peripheral (other than displays) were logitech. keyboard. mouse. speakers. microphone.

[dull garnet]

My motherboard's tuf z690-plus d4

It has yet to arrive

This pc is going to eat just about everything for breakfast

Thermaltake peerless assassin 120 se for cooler

That should keep the i7 cool

5 fan with 3 be intake and 2 Exhaust all them corsair ql 120 rgb fan

Let the unicorn puke commence

And 3060ti This computer pushed. way past my Budget. I would go 3080 but I don't feel like spending the grand for a GPU

What a good 3060ti go for

[mossy gull]

I personally prefer the 3060 over the Ti mainly because it's VRAM

[dull garnet]

But ti is faster by 30%

[mossy gull]

But I have not 1, but 2 3440x1440 panels stacked.
Each already taking around 1 GB VRAM

[dull garnet]

K

Than i should get 4090ti that do not have the money for

That was a joke

[mossy gull]

And I use like 10GB VRAM in SC alone, in CoD MW2 and CP2077 I run out of VRAM, in MW2 I am 2GB short, in CP2077 almost 5GB short.

[mossy gull]

I would consider that card if the drivers looked more modern and didn't need log-in😅

[dull garnet]

My 1660 s run cp2077 not Max sitting

[mossy gull]

I can't run max settings 😃

[dull garnet]

No one can

[mossy gull]

You bet I can if I get a top of the line workstation card😃

Or game on my job's servers🙃

[dull garnet]

Think my dad as one for cnc

It Old one

[mossy gull]

Old but gold

I kinda miss running a Vega FE in series

[mossy gull]

Oh damn, those were amazing

[dull garnet]

Do not think run most Modern games

[mossy gull]

Almost no workstation card from back in the day

It's 1 of the reasons I rock the 6700XT over a stacked Vega FE

[dull garnet]

Think 400 or older some where to

[mossy gull]

GTX400 series, those were toasty

[dull garnet]

Back in the g-force days

[mossy gull]

I never rocked the GTX series till the 1060😅

[dull garnet]

The RX is like 40% better

And a little cheaper

[mossy gull]

And before you wonder, it's not because of distrust in NVidia, but more like Damn AMD, you don't have a good competitor

[mossy gull]

I wouldn't say better, but I work a lot with Linux because I am getting tired of Windows

And NVidia just doesn't want to properly support Linux

[dull garnet]

Well I plan running on the windows

Okay the ti variant of the 3060 has more cores yet it has less memory but did run faster it refined version

So should I go team green or red then I've always been Team Green

Plus Nvidia been more advancing in the tech aspect

[sacred seal]

Personally if you don't use cuda and don't plan on playing mostly games that support RTX, I would go AMD right now

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: if you run NVidia cards with open-source drivers you actually gain 10% performance

On AMD that's only 2%

A friend told me that once

And she's a hacker

[mossy gull]

I personally dont care that much about Raytracing

[sacred seal]

Nither do I which is why I ended up picking up a 6900xt even though I do use cuda

[mossy gull]

I don't see the benefit of Cuda, but then I am a very patient person

[sacred seal]

When you are trying to bake materials having something faster deffinately makes life easier

And while AMD is a heck of a lot better then it used to be, its still gets its rear end handed to it in those tasks

[mossy gull]

That's why I want to run a dual GPU system, so I can render something and game at the same time😃

[sacred seal]

When you need to see the bake to then make adjustments that does not help very much

[mossy gull]

When I am gonna build my server I will put in the 7900XTX and an old 3070 that I got for free

The 3070 I will use primarily for rendering if the GPU will survive that

[dull garnet]

Think with 3060ti Because my monitors have gsync

[mossy gull]

Or FreeSync 😃

[dull garnet]

I tuf monitors

[sacred seal]

Gsync/freesync is not the game changer they once were

And I believe the tufs are gsync compaitible, not actually gsync

[dull garnet]

It help depending on the game

[mossy gull]

But barely

Especially if you run higher fps you can disable vertical sync

[dull garnet]

I don't know though considering i play star citizen and with latest patch my 1660 super has been hitting stable 60

[sacred seal]

The 1440 that you linked is freesync compatable at least. Not sure about the 1080p displays

[dull garnet]

But I haven't played on the test servers lately

[sacred seal]

Gsync/ freesync has nothing to do with framerates

[mossy gull]

Majority of high refresh rate use FreeSync

[sacred seal]

Its a lower latency solution to screentearing

Gsync compatible is just a fancy term for "freesync that meets nvidias quality standards"

[dull garnet]

This is primary one building for star citizen and to have a computer that's is league's better than my xp8930 that I currently have. Plus have fun do it

[sacred seal]

So it will work fine with AMD

[mossy gull]

I have FreeSync on on my monitors, works like a charm.
And I only have my poor 6700XT

[jade scaffold]

Yea you can use freesync with nvidia gpus

Gsync is a little better in some ways but like the difference isn't that big Gsync is just more expensive

[mossy gull]

G-sync needs dedicated hardware

FreeSync doesn't

[jade scaffold]

Yea

Which is why it's more expensive

Also freesync on VA panels can be buggy

[mossy gull]

I never had problems with FreeSync on the Odyssey G5 34

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's an issue mainly with older monitors or ones that haven't had their firmware updated

Which is still alot of monitors

[mossy gull]

Any tech can be buggy in the beginning, even G-sync

[jade scaffold]

Not an in the beginning thing atall

It's been an issue since nvidia allowed their gpus to use freesync which was only a couple years ago

[mossy gull]

Then the problem can be NVidia related, I have been rocking AMD for years

[jade scaffold]

Ips panels didn't have the issue its just VA for some reason

[jade scaffold]

It's not

It's a freesync issue

[mossy gull]

Then I don't know 😅

[jade scaffold]

It requires a fix on the monitor firmware side

[mossy gull]

I rarely turn it on anyways

[jade scaffold]

Not all monitors have the issue as some monitors have a newer version of the freesync software on them which solvs the issue

I don't turn it on because it causes flickering on the monitor and updating monitor software usually isn't easy

[dull garnet]

Recommendation for lga 1700 ddr4 motherboard

GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS Elite AX DDR4 (LGA 1700/ Intel Z690/ ATX/ DDR4/ Quad M.2/ PCIe 5.0/ USB 3.2 Gen2X2 Type-C/WiFi 6/2.5GbE LAN/Gaming Motherboard) https://a.co/d/6OmihV3

This one Seems to be the best

Just want some input

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's good

[dull garnet]

And has USB c for my my webcam I have logitech stream cam

That kind of deal breaker for me if it doesn't have USB C

Batter than tuf board

[mossy gull]

I only suggest using Signal RGB or OpenRGB for the RGB stuff as Gigabyte is known to have the most buggy RGB software

[dull garnet]

Good thing I already have a Corsair controller

The RAM sticks might be an issue though but I'm pretty sure I can probably control that through the Corsair software

[mossy gull]

If they're Corsair stick you can use them through iCue

[dull garnet]

Then I'm good

Cuz I got Corsair vengeance Ram there are cl16 at 3600mhz

[mossy gull]

Nice speeds

[dull garnet]

It's the high-end right before you go into overclocking

Which I'm probably just going to use the factory overclock for everything

I do not want to accidentally melt down my first build

[mossy gull]

Your RAM is already overclocked 😃

[dull garnet]

Ture

[mossy gull]

Anything about 21 something MT/s is already overclocked for DDR4

[dull garnet]

But this go be good build for star citizen

Let me be more accurate I'm not going to manually do it myself

[mossy gull]

Anything as good as long it's at least Rx-5xxx series or Intel ix-12xxx😃

[dull garnet]

If 3.18 doesn't make everything a dumpster fire

[mossy gull]

It's CIG, what do you expect

[dull garnet]

In my Current pc i7 9700 with ddr4 3200 and 1660 s

[dull garnet]

Indeed

[mossy gull]

I sadly have to go Threadripper for my build

[dull garnet]

And it is xp8930

[mossy gull]

So I am stuck on last gen gear anyways

[dull garnet]

That sucks

I just heat my dell pc

No room for upgrades. Because Dell just wants you to buy a new computer

I'm to mention it's horrible cooling

One exhaustion that's all

[jade scaffold]

not even just that its buggy its limited af

[mossy gull]

Shows you where Gigabyte's money goes to, to marketing and buying Maybachs🙃

[balmy flicker]

so weird hardware issue
when powering my PC goes into a power up loop where the power supply will click on and off untill I fiddle with some of the USB devices behind the PC

[sacred seal]

That is wierd, seems like there is a short somewhere

[mossy gull]

Does it do the same if you unplug everything.
Also what's your specs and your PSU?

[sacred seal]

Yea, I would unplug everything and add them back one by one

[balmy flicker]

no it starts working when I unplug the USB stuff (specify my headset dongle)
one sec on the specks

[sacred seal]

Does it matter what port you plug the dongle into?

[mossy gull]

By any chance, do USB thumb drives have priority boot?

[balmy flicker]

IDK I have not gotten that far so far I have had the issue twice and the touching the dongle is what let it start

[balmy flicker]

does not get that far

[sacred seal]

Psu clicking seems like a fuse

[balmy flicker]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qD4d78
tldr 450 estimated 850 on the supply

[sacred seal]

If it does not matter which port you plug your dongle into I would replace it. Far cheaper to do that then replace a component if the psu ocp fails

[balmy flicker]

will have to test later (which will be sad as the dongle is brand new after RMAing the headset for other issues)

[mossy gull]

Sometimes dongles can confuse motherboards where USB thumb drive have priority boot.
But if it trips OCP then something's wrong with the dongle.

[balmy flicker]

dongle is Bluetooth and prepaired with the head set

[mossy gull]

If you have another Bluetooth dongle I would try that

[sacred seal]

I doubt it's Bluetooth,

[mossy gull]

I think it's RF wireless like many headsets

[balmy flicker]

it is the Logitech light wave weird ness

[mossy gull]

Fancy name for 5GHz RF wireless

[balmy flicker]

so wifi

or 5g

[sacred seal]

Nope, it's its own thing

[balmy flicker]

where does bluetooth operate at

[sacred seal]

2.5 I think?

Ghz that is

[balmy flicker]

so old wifi ranges

[mossy gull]

@balmy flicker RF wireless is usually its own thing, like Wi-Fi it can operate in 2.4GHz, 5GHz and 60GHz but isn't meant for Wi-Fi.
It doesn't have the same protocols nor bandwidth.
Bluetooth is only in the range of 2.48GHz.

[balmy flicker]

thanks for the info that might explain how they can stack 5G on top of normal WiFi given that they opperate in the same range (that and a lot of industry sensors can be configured to use the same bandwith)

[mossy gull]

You don't want to know how many stuff is on 2.4GHz

[balmy flicker]

I know I don't especily with all the smart home crap I do know that microwaves (appliance) can completely saturate that bandwidth when running from personal experience

[mossy gull]

Welcome to the world of tech companies that try to save money on wireless technologies

[balmy flicker]

so I moved the dongle to the usb port on the front of the case and it started right up

[sacred seal]

OK, I would then try plugging something else into the bad port to see if you still have issues. Ideally something you don't care that much about

[balmy flicker]

will try that

[sacred seal]

If you do have issues, buy a port cover or put a piece of tape over it so you know not to use it in the future. If you don't, I would personally still avoid using it, but you likely can

[balmy flicker]

I suspect part of the issue is interference between all of the USB devices in that area

[sacred seal]

While theretically possible, this would be the first time I have ever heard of that bieng an issue

[balmy flicker]

I mean physical

the dongal is rather thick and most of the USB ports are in one column

[sacred seal]

Oh, you think its not seated correctly?

[balmy flicker]

something to that efect

[mossy gull]

There are very short USB extension cables for thos exact reason

[sacred seal]

Possibly more likely then, but would still be a wierd problem assuming I am correct that OCP is bieng triggered

[balmy flicker]

that or it just has to much draw right at start up
I dont have one ATM or more accurately all of mine are way to short

it did similar when I was first building it but only once or twice while it was out of the case

[sacred seal]

I have overdrawn on a port before, but that was using a unpowered hub and it did not trigger OCP

Everything was just constantly disconnecting

[balmy flicker]

odd
on a side note do all the fans start spinning right out of the gate

[sacred seal]

Assuming that is a qestion and not a statement, normally they do, but it depends on the config of the system

Some PSU and GPU fans won't start spinning until they reach a certain temperature

[balmy flicker]

nah talking about case fans and the CPU fan

[mossy gull]

@balmy flicker have you tried putting the Dongel on a powered USB-hub?

[balmy flicker]

only have unpowered ones the front of the PC will work and be better for range

[sacred seal]

Again, theoretically possible, but I have never heard of a instance where that was the case

It would depend on how the bios is set to respond to temperature (or some external device if the fan is not plugged into the mobo)

[balmy flicker]

likely just that port or again issues with physical interferance between all of my USB crap

[mossy gull]

I suggest trying a powered USB-hub and see if it still happens

[balmy flicker]

could try just plugin in a unpowered USB hub to that port and see if it is space or power draw

[sacred seal]

Well if the issue does not happen on a different port odds are it is the port

[balmy flicker]

shame cause it is a USB SS port

but I have 4 more of them

[mossy gull]

Very true, but if the Dongle uses more power the USB ports can deliver you need a Powered USB-hub

[balmy flicker]

it is not an issue outside of powering on the issue is prestart up

most of the fans are still stalled out when this happens

[sacred seal]

Might try reseting/ updating/ reinstalling your bios

[balmy flicker]

only the rear most case fan is turning

[mossy gull]

Hm, then something draws too much power, which could indicate the PSU isn't powerful enough or dying

[balmy flicker]

brand new and 50watts short of 2x estimated load

[mossy gull]

Also resetting the BIOS can be an option, resetting as pulling out the CMOS battery

[mossy gull]

On ever TDP put 50% on top of it at least

[balmy flicker]

and again issue ended when I stopped useing that port

[mossy gull]

Pull out the CMOS, wait a minute or so and put it back in

[sacred seal]

Unplug PC first and press the power button to discharge power

Bios can live off of wall power

[balmy flicker]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qD4d78
tldr 450 estimated 850 on the supply

[sacred seal]

And PSUs can store a shocking amount of power. I once had a PC post while unplugged

[mossy gull]

Once again, TDP of the component +50%.
A 125w CPU can easily draw 200w.

[balmy flicker]

again the issue did not persist after moving the dongle

[mossy gull]

Reset your BIOS I would say and see if it still happens, easiest way is to pull out the CMOS

Your BIOS can store corrupted settings, pulling out the CMOS puts the BIOS to default state.

[balmy flicker]

how would the bios on a brand new bord be goofed up

[sacred seal]

Its not as uncommon as you may think

[balmy flicker]

also total TDP*2 is 590 I have 850

[sacred seal]

Bios's are finniky things at the best of times

[balmy flicker]

joy will do if the issue persists but my bet is a bad USB port or other odd interaction with the dongaI will stick a small USB stick in the port to test it

[sacred seal]

Also as a sanity check make sure that the port is free of debries. Super unlikely to be a problem, but easy enough to check

[balmy flicker]

more than you might expect getting the Mbord to sit in with the IO shield was a bit of a pain trying to install it the first time so there could be part of the issue that and the rear fan is facing a wall so it could have blown crap in prior to instaling all of the USB shit

[mossy gull]

I once build a PC where the BIOS literally fucked up and ended in a no-post in the beginning, and Windows wasn't even installed.

[balmy flicker]

fun in my case I posted strait to windows boot (did not spam the right key and was using my laptops old drives)

on a side not how would one fix that issue

[sacred seal]

Resetting would clear any odd settings and can be done by unplugging the PC, discharging the PSU and removing the bios battery for a few minutes

Updating/reinstalling the bios depends on the motherboard. Most feature a windows utility you can use, but some allow/require you to load the bios onto a USB and update it from within the bios/special button(flashback)

[balmy flicker]

yay

[mossy gull]

I once had a BIOS so fucked up I had to remove the BIOS battery, then reinstall it 🧐

Anyways I am gonna nap so nighnight

[deft star]

those screens are so freaking cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhxvXiwE8rY

[balmy flicker]

so I pugged a battery into the suspect USB port and the power cycling returned but when I unplugged the battery from its cable it immediately started

[signal star]

Got hit omw to work today. Ok to post an ad for my pc to sell?

[cinder lagoon]

Ugghh, sucks. Get well soon!
I'd guess it's fine but since this is a really international place you probs won't find an buyers here

[balmy flicker]

have flight stick now to make it work in ac7

[mossy gull]

If I am correct AC7 is Ace Combat 7.
The game only supports a few flightsticks, not all.

[balmy flicker]

there is support but it is a pita
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2210570616

literally manual

[mossy gull]

Aka you need 3rd party software.
If you want to you can use a steering wheel in any game, doesn't mean it's officially supported.
And I was talking about native support.

[balmy flicker]

dude read the guide it is native but you have to config it your self

it had timed exclucivity for logitech after that was up they just unlocked the config and let you do it your self

[mossy gull]

I never got the X56 working, nor my current set-up
But then I played in the early beginning when my X56 still worked.

[balmy flicker]

x56 is an extra PITA and there is a link for configuring it

that and a github profile https://github.com/tux-box/x56_numericProfile

[mossy gull]

My X56 ain't working anymore, died a while back.

[balmy flicker]

shame same happend to my phantom X but that that flight stick is a game pad

[mossy gull]

Okay only the X56 throttle still works, but not that well anymore 😅
Gonna replace it soon.
AC7 does natively support the TB VelocityOne Stick though, but that stick is also made for Xbox.

But it feels weird using the VelocityOne Stick over my SpaceMouse.

[balmy flicker]

space mouce?

[mossy gull]

And AC7 doesn't recognise my SpaceMouse.

[mossy gull]

3Dconexxion SpaceMouse, a 6DOF mini stick meant for 3D programs.

These things

[balmy flicker]

wanted to get the logitech one for CAD but it was discontinued

[mossy gull]

I never knew Logitech made a 6DOF mouse/stick.
To my knowledge only 3Dconexxion currently makes them.

[balmy flicker]

it was less that and more a left hand key pad with stick mouse for used in GD and CAD

[mossy gull]

Oh, no this is basically a 6DOF stick

[balmy flicker]

how does it work I know to get 6dof it normally takes 2 sticks

[mossy gull]

Besides tilting it forward/backwards, left/right, twist left/right.
You also can move the whole stick forward/backwards, left/right, up/down.
So if you would play SC, you can Strafe forward by pushing the stick forward horizontally while tile the stick left to roll left.
So you make a double motion with 1 stick.

[balmy flicker]

nice

[mossy gull]

Sadly only SC supports it

[balmy flicker]

IDK if I would still want twin sticks but I know I would like more of a stick to hold that thing looks uncomfortable. but I would love to see a version with a full stick

I mean there is what 2 games that could even use it SC and ED

[mossy gull]

Sublight Dynamics is ahead of you with their prototype

[balmy flicker]

sauce

shame the one with the butons is 2x wat the NXT premium cost

[mossy gull]

https://www.sublightdynamics.com/

[balmy flicker]

looks abit over complex but my stick as 16 butons for just my thumb and 4 for my index (three are triggers)

other wise nice

[mossy gull]

It's called a prototype for a reason 😅
And its ambidextrous

[balmy flicker]

that my stick is not but my stick is super modular

[mossy gull]

I prefer 6DOF, then I still can have a throttle

[balmy flicker]

I have a throtle built in to the stick and the way the nxt is built you can turn the sticks into throttles

but you need 2

[mossy gull]

I currently have my dual throttle set-up like the left is the Acceleration Limiter and the other the throttle.
That way when in a hangar or in atmosphere I can simply "drop" my ship to the ground

That way I don't have to strafe down

[surreal moss]

Pretend the puck is your ship and move or twist it in the way you want the ship to move

[cinder lagoon]

But then you have two of them, right?
At least I've seen Setups like this but I can't get behind why there are two ^^'

[mossy gull]

You only have 1 6DOF stick though, not 2

[surreal moss]

I only have the one 3dmouse. But I do use some software to tie it in with the rest of my hotas and pedals.

[cinder lagoon]

But like how does that work out with controlling a ship?
There's only so many actions you can do

[mossy gull]

Same as 2 sticks.
You move the stick forward/backwards, left/right, up/down.
But you also can tilt it forward/backwards, left/right, twist it left/right.

[surreal moss]

In Star Citizen I duplicate some axis between the 3dmouse and my hotas. For me it’s a nice transition to have one hand free while flying with the other. Don’t get me wrong. It’s complete overkill but I had the stuff so figured why not.

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh now I see

[west mirage]

My computers

Blue screen of deathing on boot

Outa nowhere

Its always had boot issues this is new tho

It wont let me reset, uninstall recent windows updates

Safemode doesn’t even work

It blue screens even on booting into safemode

[mossy gull]

Do you have another PC and a USB thumb drive with at least 8GB

[west mirage]

Yes

I’m trying to not wipe and reinstall windows

It wont even let me reset

[sacred seal]

What you can try is booting from the USB stick, and that should let you access the command prompt

From there you can try running some repair comands

[west mirage]

I can access the command prompt

From windows repair

I just tried system restoring through the command prompt

And it didn’t work

I did just install windows 11

[sacred seal]

Try sfc /scannow

[west mirage]

A week ago

It says it found corrupt files and repaired them

What else should I do

Before attempting to boot again

It didn’t work still happened

[mossy gull]

You can keep all files while reinstalling Windows

[west mirage]

Alright how do i go about this

[mossy gull]

Install windows on a empty spot on the drive

[sacred seal]

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/boot-or-repair-windows-10-using-the-installation-media This might give you some things you can try

[queen grove]

Is there someone who is experienced with Autodesk Programs? If so, what version of Autodesk AutoCAD would be best for a returning user, using a Windows 10 platform? Apologies ahead of time if I asked in the incorrect place.

[sacred seal]

My understanding is there is only one version of autocad

Unless you are refering to yearly releases?

[queen grove]

Yes and I apologize for not clarifying that in my previous inquiry.

[sacred seal]

As far as I am aware you just run whatever version is newest. They are more incremental changes then anything sinificant

[queen grove]

Gotcha, I asked more so because I wanted to "refresh" myself on the program. Since I am planning to return to a profession that requires it.

Thanks for the help!

2018 was my favorite, but I had to assume much has changed over the years.

[balmy flicker]

from what is know all of the major cad programs are subscription not but in the least helpful way possible as they change the file system so older versions can't read new files

[west mirage]

@sacred seal so even with an iso file on a usb

Startup repair wont fix it

I still get critical process died everytime i try and boot

Its fucked fucked

I don’t know why ive always been blue screening on boot

[mossy gull]

Just reinstall Windows, you can keep your files but you have to reinstall apps and shit.

[west mirage]

@mossy gull ive been bluescreening on boot with this pc since i built it

Switched mobos, gpus, everything

I was always just able to used the advanced recovery mode to continue into windows 11 and i’d be able to use it

Its now fucked fucked

[mossy gull]

Can be a corrupt Windows install, or a broken boot drive.

[west mirage]

Ill just reinstall windows

Ig

[mossy gull]

@west mirage how old is the boot drive?

[west mirage]

My pcs ssd

Or the thumbdrive

The SSD is a year old

[mossy gull]

The SSD

[west mirage]

Its an nvme sabrent rocket 2TB ssd

I ran multiple scans and shit and they said the drive was healthy

What the fuck

[mossy gull]

They don't scan for bad sectors, or not well enough.

[mossy gull]

Just reboot and try again

[west mirage]

Did still not working

[mossy gull]

Uh that's odd.

This falls outside of my experience sadly enough and I never dealt with W11 stuff.

[west mirage]

I should’ve never upgraded to windows 11

😭

Windows kept bugging me about it

This didn’t happen till i did

[mossy gull]

Then keep denying it😃

[west mirage]

I always had blue screens on boot but there was always workarounds

[mossy gull]

Having always blue screens isn't good, eventually they can turn to RSOD or OSOD.

[west mirage]

What the fuck now it wont let me wipe my thumbdrive

[mossy gull]

Broken thumb drive?

[west mirage]

It somehow made itself read only

No

[mossy gull]

Modern thumb drives and SSDs make themselves read-only before they die

[west mirage]

Bruh

Please no

How the fuck did i kill my thumb drige

[mossy gull]

Depends on how often they're used.
Their durability is rather low.

[west mirage]

Fuck

Whats my other option to reinstall windows 11

[mossy gull]

Get another thumbdrive😃

[west mirage]

Kill me

Is there anything in the bios i can do

[deft star]

what type of battery do u mean?

[cinder lagoon]

WAIT ive had this happen - this means that the install media is faulty!
You could try writing the windows image via something like rufus.

Also make sure not to bump the USb or anything while it's writing.
First exit the drive before unplugging (Remove drive button). Maybe Make sure the light does not blink anymore.

Also - macOS refusing to do something is normal. It's macOS and apple thinks they know better.

[mossy gull]

What do you mean?

[west mirage]

I cant use rufus if I don’t have another windows device

@cinder lagoon do i need to wipe the computer or anything before reinstalling windows

Cause it would exactly let me do that

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah, wiping is the thing, you wanna do. But only after you backed up everything important.
Actually Wiping is a little more difficult tho, I could guide you with a discord call soon

[west mirage]

Aye

I did it

I just deleted all my driver partitions from the windows installation screen

I did a wipe refresh and windows was able to recover my files n shit

from my last restore 5 days ago

fresh install of windows 11 pro

everything worked out

I reinstalled the adrenalin drivers for the 7900XT

Do I need any drivers for my Ryzen 5900X?

or are there any other drivers im forgetting

[cinder lagoon]

???
It's not a wipe if it can recover anything 😭

[west mirage]

Some cloud shit

the entire PC was wiped

but my files and shit were stored in the cloud

my files as in

my pictures n shit

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh the onedrive desktop and photos thingy

Alright

[west mirage]

but yes all is working now my windows had been corrupted for a year

and I managed to make it work for that long by using a shitty as workaround which made booting my computer take 3 minutes

seems like updating to windows 11 was the final straw that broke the camels back

[cinder lagoon]

Haha same - if my PC idles for like 5 mins it crashes. It seems to be a hardware fault tho :/
I've been circumventing that by constantly running FoldingAtHome :D

[balmy flicker]

one of the portable battery phone chargers

[ember hazel]

Best video on how important RAM speeds is in Star Citizen: https://youtu.be/CrSMcOC7vAo

[signal star]

Trying to have:
LIGHTSPEED keyboard
LIGHTSPEED mouse
bluetooth connected headphones

all at the same time. Lightspeed works great, but audio and vocals not being picked up by headphones connected to bluetooth. So i tried using the headphones wired. Bluetooth headphones work properly when PC and LIGHTSPEED is turned off on my Macbook and iPhones

need to do the following for 1 minute of bluetooth connectivity:
Remove Dongles for both LIGHTSPEED mouse+ keyboard
completely reboot the system
re plugin LIGHTSPEED mouse dongle
connect headphones via bluetooth
re plugin LIGHTSPEED keyboard

within 15 seconds of last step being completed, audio starts to crackle. 45 seconds after last step audio begins to stop. 60-75 seconds after last step bluetooth headphones no longer produce audio, crackling continues

[sacred seal]

Bluetooth is a fairly finniky standard at the best if times, but having to restart the pc is wierd

[deft star]

running a 24core CPU, RTX 4090 and 32GB 4000MHz RAM in 1080p is pretty dumb. of course you get better performance when you run the RAM at the speed (or slightly above it) that you paid for.

[mossy gull]

Check if your audio drivers are properly installed

If that doesn't work it's your headset or Logitech software

[jade scaffold]

the thing is as well in no circumstances should you have to overclock your ram speed for a game and it absolutely shouldn't be making 10-20% performance increases that the video shows. if you do its because of abysmal memory handling within a game. Star Citizen at the moment at least unless they have changed the engine recently is using CryEngine, which is easily one of the worst mainstream engines out there at the moment it has serious issues especially with frame rate minimums.

Also relating to the video itself a bit more at 1080p was he really only getting 100FPS, like im not gonna say star citizen looks bad because its a gorgeous game but 100fps with overclocked memory with a 4090(one thats apparently OCed at that) thats insane I don't understand how they make it run so bad its been out for so long they've had so much time to make it a smooth experience to play

Better be running ddr5 with star citizen jeez

Also good video too very streight to the point very good production quality

[sacred seal]

Man I am glad that my desktop is not compatible with windows 11 because it really wants me to upgrade my laptop. Just installed a update and was greeted with the following
Hey, do you want windows 11?
Are you sure you don't want windows 11?
Here is all the reasons why you want windows 11, do you want windows 11

[jade scaffold]

XD

[inland dove]

I am never willingly going to go Windows 11

Trash OS

[mossy gull]

Long live manual updates

[jade scaffold]

im just waiting for W11 to mature a bit

the main issue is that its windows

and windows is so buggy

[mossy gull]

Microsoft is already busy with W12, not many people like W11 mainly because of its looks.

[inland dove]

da fuq

They're making Windows 12?

[surreal moss]

I know. I’m also supposed they’re going in numerical order

[mossy gull]

Yes, amazing isn't it?

[inland dove]

Let me guess with more ads?

[jade scaffold]

chances are Win 11 was more of a feature test for certain features they want to push to the mainstream such as baked in direct storage and their admittedly very impressive new core scheduler

i also dont personally mind W11s looks too much

its more optimised for ultrawides and tbh i like that push

like more ultrawides in none gaming settups

they are so usefull and take up way less space than dual monitors or a super ultrawide and with all the utility pretty much

like this is so nice and makes doing things like making mods for games or avatars for VRChat much easier or writing essays like i can read my reference material write and watch youtube or a tv show all at once its great

[sacred seal]

I find the support for them still too lacking and the position of the task bar not exactly ideal

[jade scaffold]

multiple monitors will allways for obvious reasons be better for such things but small ultrawides are like super compact

[sacred seal]

Also zone snapping is not as clean

[jade scaffold]

yea

W11 does that way better

one of its big things is making work at home much easier and by supporting ultrawides and making the snaping way easier working at home is easier too bad they messed up so much other stuff

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/8QOoQWvrQ-Y

[cerulean helm]

3rd motherboard arrived. This one the socket cover is secured so hopefully this weekend I will have my new rig up and running. Also picked up 2 4tb WD blue HDD drives for extra storage for $70 each, and a 2tb 980 pro for $175. Which is $10 cheaper than it was during the holidays.

[cinder lagoon]

4TB for $70?? Damn I paid double just less than 2 years ago

[mossy gull]

Prices during holidays are usually raised, and then shops say it's on sale.
This is an illegal practice but nobody cares because it works.

I have 5G speeds in a lot of areas in my country, so that's 1Gb/s from my strong system and 200Mb/s on the go, still latency is too big to game on.

[surreal moss]

Scummy? Yes, but price gouging is typically legal except for emergencies and rare generalized laws.

[cinder lagoon]

Thats a mobile connection. I mean a fixed access point or similar, of course.
Also I think you wrote in the wrong channel ^^'

[mossy gull]

Oops🤣

[mossy gull]

Isn't it false advertising if the product was originally 200.-, but during sale it's 220.- and say the price dropped from 250.-?

[cinder lagoon]

I think it might

[surreal moss]

Would depend on the specific details

[mossy gull]

So far I am aware false advertising is illegal in many countries

[cinder lagoon]

As long as the price has been the higher one for some amount of time its probably legal...

[west mirage]

Whats a fool proof way to figure out if my ram or SSD is faulty

[sacred seal]

Nothing is fool proof, but memtest is a fairly good place to start

[west mirage]

same with driver incompatibles

Whatever could be causing my BSOD’s

I already did the windows memory test

Nothing came up

[sacred seal]

https://www.memtest86.com/

For SSD you can check the drives smart status

[west mirage]

How do i go about that

[sacred seal]

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

Most reliable way to check is to start replacing hardware, but that requires extra hardware

[west mirage]

I already replaced my graphics card, CPU and motherboard

none of those were the culprit

the only culprits could possibly be RAM, SSD, or software

[sacred seal]

You can try running a linux install for a bit, see if there are any issues with that

[west mirage]

there were none

linux loaded fine while windows kept getting corrupted

I've wiped my computer more then once and reinstalled windows more then once

theres never issues at first, but blue screens start popping up more and more till it becomes an every boot sorta thing

linux never had an issue

windows repair doesn't work either

[mossy gull]

Motherboards also have their own tool, but you have to look up for yourself how to get there as every motherboard is different.

[sacred seal]

So you have one of those rare issues where your OS is incompatible with your hardware... Not the first time I have encountered something like that, but in my case it was the reverse. Replaced everything but the motherboard and CPU, would not run windows 10. Would run windows 7 and 8 and linux without issue though

[mossy gull]

Thats like 1 of those rare cases nearly no-one knows how to solve

[west mirage]

I have a Ryzen 9 5900X

A RX 7900XT

Sabrent Rocket NVME 2 TB SSD

[mossy gull]

Whats your board?

[west mirage]

ASUS X570 Strix-E

All my components are really high grade

no cheaping out here

[mossy gull]

Whats your RAM?

[sacred seal]

Components are components, honestly mid tier parts often have fewer issues then there higher end counterparts

[west mirage]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w3FKHx/gskill-trident-z-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtznc

G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB 2x16

DDR4-3600mhz CL16

[balmy flicker]

wait Bluetooth head set? I have one of the older models and it is light speed (and has good range too boot)

[signal star]

yeah LIGHTSPEED keyboard + mouse. using Bose NC700s that are having significant issues

[balmy flicker]

ahh I started the G series with a head set then mouse and finally a keyboard

[mossy gull]

You smash too many 2.4GHz radios close to each other

[signal star]

How do i get around this issue?

[balmy flicker]

only issue is the digital signal is routed through power switch which causes the far ear piece to "fail" it still works fine on 3.5mm
the issues is the super fine 20+ gauge wires that connect to the switch

[mossy gull]

Dont use Bluetooth

[signal star]

its having trouble when being wired too

[balmy flicker]

that bluetooth is kina jank as a protocall

[mossy gull]

Are you trying to use it as a headset, or headphones?

[balmy flicker]

then it might be the head set does it have 3.5 pass through

[signal star]

I'm using it as headphones. Got a Logitech webcam as my audio in

simply audio out

[mossy gull]

Make sure to disable any audio input to the PC if you're not gonna use it

[signal star]

90% sure ive done that

[mossy gull]

Like fully disabled so its undetectable by other programs?

[signal star]

ya

[mossy gull]

Odd

Could be a W11 issue

[signal star]

ngl I'm very tempted to just sell this PC and start over and make choices I wish I had (SFFPC, AM5, XTX, etc)

[mossy gull]

Won't make a difference though as it's most likely a software related issue

[signal star]

oh yeah ik its a software issue

just wanna start over

[balmy flicker]

speaking of soft ware I hear about non stop issues with the G hub software but other than the update look I have not had any so I was wondering if any one knows what they are

[mossy gull]

No clue, my Ghub is also without problems 80% of the time, GHub does not like iCue though

[balmy flicker]

have you ever had 2 anti virus programs on your PC at one time?

they activly try to get you to uninstall the other and fight it is a pain

[surreal moss]

This latest version seems pretty stable. I haven’t noticed any issues yet

[mossy gull]

Ever had BitDefender + MalwareBytes?
Most fun combo ever.

Most fun combo I had was McAfee(I forgot to uninstall it) + MalwareBytes.
McAfee casually turns off your Internet and says MalwareBytes is a virus.

[balmy flicker]

bytes is the MS one right? had one of the free ones and web root at one time and Webroot and MacAfee (also fun) tried to do the free bit defender and I think bytes before doing a system restor when my PC caught a bug some time back

[balmy flicker]

tried to do the same to web root but I was activly uninstalling it so it was not as much of an issue

[mossy gull]

MalwareBytes is not from MS, Defender is from MS.

[mossy gull]

McAfee is an asshat, like when it discovers a "high risk" thread it turns off your Internet.

[balmy flicker]

ahh its been almost 5+years since I had to do that

by high risk you mean things that ensure it is getting uninstalled as it should

[mossy gull]

Funny enough, I compared Norton and McAfee, and Norton doesn't have to go offline to remove it😃

[balmy flicker]

making norton some how the better option

for once

[mossy gull]

Also "High risk" as in "I don't recognise it so lets remove it entirely of your system"

[mossy gull]

Norton is bad, but funny enough better than a lot of cheap and free anti-virus, even better than AVG.

[balmy flicker]

this is why I like web root it small and unobtrusive
I mean yes it is in the top 10 or so but that does not say much sadly

[mossy gull]

My modem luckily stops most of the bad stuff

[balmy flicker]

when I last looked it up root was good at new stuff but does not have the bingo book used by the other systems

not being dumb honestly stops 90% of it

[mossy gull]

Then give it a crossword puzzle😃

[balmy flicker]

sigh Naruto reference

[mossy gull]

https://tenor.com/view/discolando-star-citizen-space-dad-gamedev-questions-gif-25269794

[signal star]

I miss the old studio

[mossy gull]

It was a more personal studio 😃

[signal star]

that makes it even more cool

[mossy gull]

I have no idea what that means, I never watched it

[mossy gull]

Although, 300% over budget are rookie numbers

I once reached 936% over entity budget only to hear my colleagues complain to not use the server for stress testing😃

Although I couldn't do much as my PC was rocking a 1 frame per 6 seconds.

@signal star did you have problems in W10?
Or only in W11?

[signal star]

never had the chance to

[mossy gull]

If you keep having problems I recommend going back to W10.

[signal star]

how do i go back from W11 to W10?

[mossy gull]

You sadly have to reinstall Windows but there's a MediaCreationTool for Windows 10.
So you can make the thumbdrive before you reinstall everything

[signal star]

ok

sadly I had to buy a W11 key to get this PC up and running cuz.... issues

[cerulean helm]

Switched to an m.2 drive for the pc preparing for the new build. I forgot the older Z370 platform the m.2 was a pain to open with an expansion slot card being used.

[signal star]

how is the G733 LIGHTSPEED? Would adding that fix my problems?

[sacred seal]

I would avoid wireless audio period if at all possible. Even if the headphones sound decent the mic is going to sound garbage, and given the nature of your problem its not guaranteed to solve it (though it should be a fair bit better)

[jade scaffold]

Just gonna add wireless audio is fine providing you aren't using the headset mic which you shouldn't be anyway tbh because I've yet to find a headset that has a good mic

[mossy gull]

You can get Windows keys for cheap, but keep in mind you cannuse Windows without activation.

[surreal moss]

Razor Man’O’War had a good mic on it

[mossy gull]

If you want a mic on your headset, best is to get a Modmic

[surreal moss]

Or find a headset with a good mic on it. They do exist 🤷‍♂️

[mossy gull]

They do, but they're hard to find.
Some Bluetooth headsets have good mics, but they don't have a simultaneous channel to do both stereo audio and hands-free calling.

[jade scaffold]

it was useable I couldn't call it good

[jade scaffold]

not that I've seen not for a price less than getting a dedicated Mic and Headphones
The best I've heard so far is the Hyper X Cloud 2s I wanna say it was called. And they still have a worse mic than an Index which i've always found odd because its very easy to make small microphones that sound good and no headset maker does

[sacred seal]

Don't quote me on this, but I think the difference is in powered vs unpowered mics.

The best mics tend to have some form of power delivery, something 3.5 can't do

[mossy gull]

You mean passive and active mics?

[sacred seal]

Yes, that is the proper termonology

[mossy gull]

Through a 3.5mm mic there's very very little power going through it, these are passive mics.
Active mics you could think of XLR mics, which can be 48v mics and sometimes higher.

[sacred seal]

XLR is not a active standard, but often is paired with phantom power

[mossy gull]

It's usually known as active because it uses a lot of power

[sacred seal]

Dynamic mics tend to be passive, condenser mics are active. The mic I have on my setup does not use phantom power.

Though it is xlr

That said the audio processing circutry in my acd is far more powerful then you would find on a PC

[mossy gull]

My XLR mic uses 48v Phantom power😃

[sacred seal]

Most likely because it is a condenser

[mossy gull]

Yeah, actually a short range shotgun

[sacred seal]

Condensers have a more limited range then dynamics, but are far more acurate in that range

I use my mic for more then just vocals so I use dynamic

Also dynamic was cheaper

[mossy gull]

I use my mic for nothing, I just like the looks😃

[sacred seal]

I guess I should better specify my earlier comment. Its hard to make a passive mic that is both small and sounds good

And active mics are not compatible with 3.5mm

Hence why wired headset mics tend to be not as good as they could be

Why USB only headsets still suck, IDK

[mossy gull]

Mine isn't compatible with 3.5mm, it actually does have an on/off switch😃

[mossy gull]

Because they spend so much money on the rest that they only can put in cheap ass mics

[surreal moss]

Mics that require some form of phantom power tend be more sensitive and have a better response profile

[surreal moss]

Oh, y’all covered that. Yeah, basically a powered mic is going to sound better. Most usb mics don’t have the power to run a condenser and don’t sound to great. I’m pretty sure my Man’O’War had a condenser and according to other people I played with did sound quite good to them.

[sacred seal]

Fairly sure the man of war has a dynamic, though I can't find any sources on that

Yea, it seems like you can use them in 3.5mm mode, which means its a dynamic mic

Also USB is powerful enough to do phantom power for at least 2 mics. All the 2 port interfaces I have seen are USB only

[mossy gull]

Not entirely true, many DACs still need 230v from the wall to feed proper phantom power.

[sacred seal]

Not sure where you are getting your information from,

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1646031-REG/camvate_c2660_48v_phantom_power_supply.html

Also note that 120v is more common in the US

The most popular dac is propbably the scarlet solo, and that is a USB only device

[mossy gull]

Outside the US 230v is more common 🧐

My audio console can't work without external power.

[sacred seal]

I'm not saying there are not a few that do require external power, but the vast majority of dual input interfaces only have USB

M-audio, berringer, forcusrite, presonus

If it requires external wall power it probably has the ability to perform some function without a PC

If you go beyond 2 ports though they all seem to need wall power

[jade scaffold]

which is why im so disapointed in VR Headset Mics they should be able to be powered mics they should be able to have really good quality but not one sounds actually good i use my Actual mic over the headset mic 100% of the time

[sacred seal]

The index has a very good mic

[jade scaffold]

its better than the Hyper X cloud 2s

but it still sounds like a headset mic

its still very easily overwhelmed

[sacred seal]

I should specify, it has a very good mic for bieng something you put on your head

[jade scaffold]

cerdit where credits due it sounds allright compared to older VR headsets

but for a grand

you know thoes lil clip on mics all news stations use you know how they sound amazing and yea thoes are super expensive but there are cheaper versions of them which really would be at home on a VR Headset especially for Social VR

[sacred seal]

Remember it needs to be light enough to fit on your head, and the positioning is not exactly optimal

[jade scaffold]

thoes mics arent heavy

[sacred seal]

Ah, sorry, lavs.

Brain fart.

[jade scaffold]

yea thoes

[mossy gull]

1 of the best mics is the ModMic😃

[sacred seal]

Those tend to be very expensive

[jade scaffold]

they are

but there are cheaper versions

which will sound better than whats in a VR headset

for somthing the price of the Index or the Quest Pro i would hope for a Mic Better than a Blue snow ball tbh

[sacred seal]

I don't deal in that kind of audio as much anymore, but I would say most of the lavs I have encountered would be price prohivitive or sound worse then what is on a index

Again remember that a snowball is a big bulky mic

[jade scaffold]

yes it is

[sacred seal]

Even the actual microphone on it is quite large

I think its about the size of a penny

In radius

[jade scaffold]

my issue is that for £990 for a VR headset I would like a better mic than just slightly better than a Hyper X and tbh its only really debatably better it sounded a bit more tinny but more clear at the same time

[sacred seal]

Another thing to concider is that this only applies to purely tethered headsets. You don't want to have your mic depleting power when you have to wear a power supply on your head

[jade scaffold]

they dont pull THAT much power on a quest 2 i'd accept not too good mic quality tbh because quest 2 is comparitivly cheap

but on the Pro

or on a teathered headset like the Index

[sacred seal]

A hyper x II is what, 100$? and it has the advantage of better mic placement. That is about 10% of the cost of the total system. Now I know its a lot cheaper to manufacture, but how much of the total cost of the headset should be dedicated to a better mic

[jade scaffold]

and yea the placement isnt entierly ideal and VR headsets have to have fairly compact components especially ones with inbuilt computers

[jade scaffold]

the Hyper x IIs also are made of mostly metal too which is also more expensive

for reference pick an actual stand alone mic a Blue snowball is £35 where i live the snowball isnt an ideal example because it has a big chunky mic

[mossy gull]

I have an AverMedia AX310 I think it's called

[jade scaffold]

VR headsets have the same issue laptops do the Mics are mounted just under the surface however they have a tiny ass pin hole to them so audio that comes in sounds like shit

if you make that hole bigger countersink it a lil put some good foam over it that would likely improve audio quality quite a bit by itself

as thoes tiny mics arent actually inherently that bad

[sacred seal]

AX310 has a display on it, its not suprising it draws more then what USB can provide

[jade scaffold]

one of the main advantages of USB C over type A type A can only do like 2.5W of power

[mossy gull]

My little brother has the Audient ID4 I think and it needs wall power so his mic works.

[sacred seal]

Best I can tell that runs over USB, but recomends c for higher power headphones

[jade scaffold]

USB C does like 4x the power output of Type A i do believe

[mossy gull]

It needs wall power for 48v Phantom power.
It can only do max 24v over USB.

[amber fable]

I run my interface on USB C... Because I don't have a USB C to A cable long enough (the one that came with it is like 2 feet long)

Phantom power can 100% be done over USB A

[sacred seal]

Are you sure you got the right model, there is no where to plug in wall power

[jade scaffold]

i think USB Type C can do 10W and Type A can do 2.5W

[amber fable]

Phantom power is highish voltage, but low amperage.

[jade scaffold]

ya

[mossy gull]

I think it's the ID4, I am not sure, he bought it like 6 years ago

[sacred seal]

For some reason most interfaces (that I have seen) run on printer cables

[mossy gull]

I think that's the new ID4, not the old 1, his doesn't have USB-C

[sacred seal]

I can't find any reference to any alterntive versions of the ID4

NVM, found one

Still no wall power

[mossy gull]

Then I don't know, his is in wall power so far I know

[amber fable]

I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out the exact current specs for phantom power in my interface, but wiki has it in the miliamp range for even high draw mics.

[sacred seal]

Yea, fairly sure I have seen one running off of 12v batteries, though I might be mixing that up with a DI

[amber fable]

So way less than a single watt

1.5ma at 48v is 0.072w

Plus loss from the voltage step up circuit of course.

Honestly, the loss from step up could be almost as much as the actual mic draw.

[sacred seal]

With that little draw I would not be surprised

[signal star]

so i got the g733 and its not playing audio when connected. Discord is recognizing it and testing shows that it is receiving and sending audio. weird cuz GHub shows its connected via LIGHTSPEED and there's a solid yellow/gold light on the dongle
and yes volume is up

[sacred seal]

Is it set as the output device?

[signal star]

yes

[sacred seal]

Do you have a seperate device you can test the headphones on?

[sacred seal]

Ah, windows 11... I wonder if they have the old system still

I have found the new stuff does not always work 100%

[signal star]

yes, but discord is showing that it is receiving and sending audio when testing voice & audio

[sacred seal]

More likely then not that is probably correct, but routing audio in windows is wierd

[signal star]

wym

wait its working now?? wut?!!!

[sacred seal]

I have had issues where a device is detected and set, but due to some other program grabbing it, its non functional

[surreal moss]

It’s because Shadow was thinking about how to make it work

[sacred seal]

Its the old curse. As soon as you ask a a question the problem solves itself

[signal star]

yup

[barren juniper]

what version of ddr is 2400MHz? thats ddr3 right?

my laptop is dying and it just happens to be that my mom found her old one which i might use it if i can updgrade the ram and storage

[sonic meadow]

ddr3/4 high end/late ddr3, or low end/early ddr4

[mossy gull]

DDR4

[sonic meadow]

though for a laptop that would be 100% ddr4

[mossy gull]

@barren juniper you can check in Taskmanager which DDR it is I believe

[sonic meadow]

win10 task manager does not say what type, only speed

[barren juniper]

yeah i use windows 10

aight

[sacred seal]

With a program like speccy you can get the exact model

[barren juniper]

when i open it up to see if it has an m.2 slot and remove the hard drive ill look

[sacred seal]

Just be careful when installing it

[barren juniper]

if it doesnt have a m.2 slot im just yanking the harddrive and ram and scrapping it

1600 by 900 tn panel with the worst trackpad ive seen in 10 years

[mossy gull]

It could be LPDDR3

Those are very very hard to come by

[barren juniper]

its sodims

at least if i believe the computer

[sonic meadow]

lpddr3e only went up to 2133

[sacred seal]

Sodimms just means that it's laptop ram

[sonic meadow]

cpuz, speccy, and a few other tools will tell you exactly what you have

[barren juniper]

all i know is it has the same 8th gen i5 that my current secondary laptop has that i might replace it with, it has the same amount of ram at 8 but its sodim instead of soddered, so i can put a second one in, however it currently has a harddrive so im going to see if it has a m.2 slot first before i do anything else with it, the one my mom replaced it with does

[sacred seal]

8th Gen would be ddr4

[sonic meadow]

yup

[mossy gull]

SO-DIMM just means it's laptop RAM, no matter if it's soddered.

[barren juniper]

is that a guranteed or a most likely

its a bottom of the barrel hp laptop made for boomers (my mom) so you never know

[sonic meadow]

or lpddr3, (from ARK for the 8300h), but again that doesnt go up to 2400

[sacred seal]

Most likely, depends on how it is reported

[mossy gull]

8th gen laptop CPUs supported LPDDR3, DDR3 2133MT/s and DDR4 2400MT/s

[mossy gull]

Must be a U processor I think

[sonic meadow]

I just pulled a random laptop chip from 8th gen

[barren juniper]

its either an 8265u or 8250u, one is one and the second computer is the other

[sacred seal]

Those are i3s I think?

[barren juniper]

i5s

[sonic meadow]

both i5s

[barren juniper]

and funnily enough my dad has the 8625u i think or something like that

[sonic meadow]

and exactly the same memory type compatibility. so its going to be running ddr4 sodimms

[sacred seal]

Bla, why does Intel not keep there naming scheme consistent

[mossy gull]

It's Intel, what do you expect

[barren juniper]

but yeah all i need it to do is web browsing and streaming, i have this computer (flow x13) for gaming but moving it around a lot can be kinda a hassle

well i guess if i pull the stick it should say on it which it is

but if 8th gen can support ddr4 i might as well just get a matched set of that since i doubt the one in it is any good

i have one stick of 8 ddr3l 1600 and another 8 stick that doesnt say

guess that one isnt worth keeping around, like the random bunch of 2gig and 512m sticks that i still have for some reason

[sonic meadow]

if you run a tool like cpuz(shown) it will tell you exactly what you have. no need to guess or take it apart to find out

[barren juniper]

CMSX16GX3M2B1600C9 on the sticker

150800223243498 is the other one but i dont think that matters

corsair vengeance

[sonic meadow]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/Laptop-and-Notebook-Memory/Vengeance®-—-16GB-High-Performance-Laptop-Memory-Upgrade-Kit/p/CMSX16GX3M2B1600C9#tab-tech-specs
ddr3 sodimm

[barren juniper]

so that is ddr3

okay

is a sata 6G/s 2.5 inch ssd 120gB worth keeping?

[sacred seal]

Do you have a use for it?

[barren juniper]

if this computer that was given to me doesnt have an m.2 slot then that would be my next best option

[sacred seal]

That is about 20 dollars worth of hardware

[barren juniper]

since i already have one

as not only does it have a hard drive, im pretty sure its on its way out, as it sat in a closet for about 3 years or so

[cinder lagoon]

Looking at AMD and their official naming scheme wheel 👀

[mossy gull]

Well, though complicated it does sort of makes sense.
But Intel well, that's even more confusing

[sacred seal]

While there are a few issues with generations AMD for the most part is fairly consistent with there naming scheme.
Intel on the other hand seems to do something new every single generation. It used to be that i3 x1xx,x2xx and x3xx, i5s were x4xx, x5xx and x6xx and i7s were x7xx and x8xx, but they now always decided to make a few chips not fit that naming scheme

And they were fairly good about this until I think 7th gen

[cinder lagoon]

Yo have you heard of Sata express?

[mossy gull]

Yes

[cinder lagoon]

PCIe over SATA ports - how does that even happen like it should top out at 1 GB/s 😂

[mossy gull]

Well, it's not really PCIe, just an extra channel on top of the normal SATA

[cinder lagoon]

Thank god we got m.2 instead of this

[mossy gull]

I remember the time of eSATA

[cinder lagoon]

There was no real time of it - only like 3 devices actually hit the market xD

One being 2 motherboard families, the second being cables for it and the third a single model of an Asrock USB 3.1 Card

[mossy gull]

I miss Express cards😃

[west mirage]

This is a new bluescreen ive never gotten before

Second boot i was able to get in

[amber fable]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/bug-check-0x133-dpc-watchdog-violation

Unless it happens a lot, don't worry about it.

[west mirage]

I get blue screens constantly on boot

This is a new one

Usually its memory management

[amber fable]

This probably has the same root cause.

[west mirage]

which i still have yet to determined

ive been through 4 wipes

and reinstall of windows

[amber fable]

Hardware issue then.

[west mirage]

every single time it gets progressively worse, sometimes it just stays how it is

or a software issue

as every single time I reinstall the same software

armoury crate, adrenalin

and Scarlett Solo 3rd gen drivers

[west mirage]

if it is a hardware issue I haven't been able to detect it yet

[amber fable]

The scarlett drivers aren't useful TBH. You "need" them to get out of limp mode when you first buy it (although there is a way to override that)

[west mirage]

the BSOD's happened even without them installed

so they haven't made a difference

its either an issue with the RAM or the an issue with my sabrent rocket NVME SSD

all other things have been replaced / ruled out

[mossy gull]

@west mirage ever checked if your CPU cooler isn't attached too tightly?

[balmy flicker]

I have had similar hard crash on boot and then it would boot on recovery after a bit the boot drive was totally corrupted

note the way it booted more closely resembled an xp or 2000 boot screen not the modern boot screens

issue cleard up with fresh SSD and Fresh windows instal

[cerulean helm]

9 hours for the new build. That includes disassembling the old one as well. 13700k gets a bit toasty during stress tests in R23, a couple cores hit 91c. Thats with a contact frame installed as well.

[jade scaffold]

What cooler do you have on it?

Also 9 hours?! Das a long build

[mossy gull]

The Intel 13 series is just a hot boy

[west mirage]

No

But in runs fine infenitely

When its on already

[mossy gull]

If the cooler is attached a bit too tightly it can cause crashes

[cinder lagoon]

13th gen?
Yeah the socket sucks. It bends the CPU in the middle

[cerulean helm]

Alphacool Aurora 360mm "aio", its expandable and refillable. The cooler bracket is a giant pain in the ass. And yeah 9ish hours. I had to tear down my old rig first. Run 2x corsair commander pros, 3x lightings nodes for 13 fans.

[cerulean helm]

I should mention thats with Asus bios oc enabled. So under load its pushing the P cores to 5.3 and the E cores to 4.2.

[jade scaffold]

still though 9 hrs is a very long time to take building a PC also yea that coolers pretty good gonna be using a similar one also from alpha cool on my server when i can be bothered

[cerulean helm]

Anyone familiar with ICUE? My fan profiles reset after every reboot of the pc. I was using 2x original commander pros and wasn't getting anywhere. I installed 2x commander core xts and while the rgb settings save and load correctly the fan profiles for cooling do not. My custom curve keeps disappearing.

[mossy gull]

Can you save the profiles?

[cerulean helm]

There is no actual save button for the commander core xts or pro. It supposedly auto saves to ICUE itself.

Oh, I may have found the issue. Aparently I had Aida64 installed and according to Corsair ICUE doesn't work in tandem.

I'll reboot and check now that I have uninstalled Aida64.

[mossy gull]

I mean a profile, for example changing the default profile to something you like

[cerulean helm]

Nope, that doesn't work either, and the reboot erased my fan curves again.

[sacred seal]

I have always found corsair software to have issues if you have more then one product installed. I had a kit of RGB ram and a kit of LED ram, both same specs and both from corsair, but I could not control the RGB stuff if my LED stuff was installed. They claimed that because the ram was not on my motherboards QVL list they could not guarantee compatibility

I also had similar issues with a fan and my keyboard

[cerulean helm]

RBG is fine. Thats remembered. My fan profiles are whats selected as my main profile is not.

[sacred seal]

What I am trying to say is there is a good chance that you have too much hardware in your system and Icue the piece of crap that it is is not able to manage it all properly

[cerulean helm]

That shouldnt be a problem. Its 12 fans on ICUE, thats 2 commander core xts that are designed to work together, They both show up in ICUE.

[sacred seal]

As did my ram

The reality is Icue struggles when you have multiple things plugged in

And corsair know this and has no plans to fix it

[cerulean helm]

Never had this issue with my last build. And that had 9 corsair fans on Icue.

[sacred seal]

You had 9 fans, but only one controller, yes?

[cerulean helm]

Yes

[sacred seal]

Exacty. Icue was only interfacing with a single device then

You may be able to set each key on a keyboard, but there is only one keyboard

I'm not saying that this is 100% the case, but what i am saying is it is not a improbable cause

[cerulean helm]

Only thing I can think of is maybe its a bandwidth issue using the usb2 internal headers.

[sacred seal]

Doubtful, a USB 2 header is rated for at least 2 USB ports

You should be able to run both of them off of one header with a splitter

[cerulean helm]

I am. They Xts come with a daisy chain usb header on them to connect 2.

[sacred seal]

Ah. If you have a spare header on your board I might try not dasie chaining them then. Limit the odds of something funky happening inside the units themselves

[cerulean helm]

Currently using both internal usb headers. I have a lighting core node for the 13th fan for the lighting. I do have a usb hub, that I could connect and run both the lighting core node and the 2nd commander core xt from. But not sure thats going to make a difference.

As a backup I have a fan controller coming tomorrow, and add the 3 fan headers I am not using on the board I should have enough and just leave Icue for the rgb.

[cerulean helm]

On a side note, looks like the argb is dead on my alphacool eisbear aurora. Pump block doesn't even light up.

[signal star]

this is the kind of build I'm looking for, except I'd go full Team Red and AM5
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vX68Bj

[cerulean helm]

And I feel dumb. I forgot you can't just uninstall ICUE and reinstall to fix any issues. You have to delete registrys and appdata as well. Found files dating back to 2020 and even the old Corsair Link.

And that was it, good grief.

[mossy gull]

I wouldn't pair a mid range CPU with a high end GPU.

[signal star]

I'd pair like a 7700x or something like it with the XTX

[mossy gull]

Delete iCue and then delete the Corsair folder, it's good enough

[mossy gull]

I would pair at least the 7800X(3D) with the 7900XTX

[signal star]

yup

7950X3D

[mossy gull]

Thats the CPU I want to get

[signal star]

I want that pairing in a SFFPC

[mossy gull]

Why though?

[signal star]

gonna be living in my truck pretty soon, space at a premium while trucking

[mossy gull]

I would take a server case and would put it in a place of a drawer

[signal star]

would that even fit in a truck cab lol?

also you're gonna be dealing with hella vibrations

[mossy gull]

Wait, US trucks have problems with vibrations?

[mossy gull]

They fit in current modern trucks

[signal star]

nah I'm saying that the server rack would be rattling around like crazy

[sacred seal]

Server chassis (2u) are surprisingly easy to fit places, but proving adaquite cooling would be a issue

[signal star]

SFFPC would be the one case where I'd consider water cooling

[mossy gull]

Depends how you make it, I want to use a server chassis and use a lot of anti vibration foam and then place it in a hidden place

[signal star]

hmm ok

[inland dove]

Why do you need a server out on the road?

[sacred seal]

I would never consider watercooling on something that is regularly moving

[inland dove]

If you don't mind me asking.

[signal star]

not a server, server rack

[mossy gull]

Server case, because they fit in a lot of places

[signal star]

for PC

[inland dove]

A PC inside a server case?

Interesting.

[mossy gull]

Yes, why not?

For me a normal case is too fat.

[sacred seal]

A case is just a box, you can make it any shape you want. 27 format factors is nisekoi as you can fit it almost anywhere, but cooling at a reasonable noise level would be an issue

Probably really silly, but I wonder if you could cool the pc as a extention of the engine cooling system

[signal star]

NO

No way in hell that's gonna happen.

[mossy gull]

You can, its what I want to do

[inland dove]

Get one of those Window Air Conditioners to put in your window when you're gaming.

Just make the whole truck cold.

[mossy gull]

ACs aren't good for PCs

[signal star]

you could technically, but there's a TON of issues that you are exposing yourself to by doing that

[sacred seal]

I'm taking theoretically here, there is no way that would be practical

[inland dove]

Yeea moisture and all that

[mossy gull]

Condense, it kills PCs

But a PC does make a good space heater

[inland dove]

Yeah

Drive exclusively in cold places

Iceroad truckers

[mossy gull]

I would just wear a coat while driving when it's cold

[inland dove]

And have the PC heat the truck.

[mossy gull]

I just want a powerful PC to heat the room in the winter and cool it down in the summer

[inland dove]

good luck with your computer build

[mossy gull]

Thanks

[signal star]

Someone buy my PC 🤣

[mossy gull]

It's just the parts I need are currently non existing 😃

@signal star I am curious, why not get a laptop of a powerful NUC if you are going to be on the road a lot?

[inland dove]

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-pawn-star-20bucks-the-best-i-can-do-the-best-i-can-do-is20bucks-gif-15253458

[signal star]

because laptop cost-performance is much better with a PC and NUCs are Intel only. I'm fully AMD

[mossy gull]

Fair enough

I wish I was somewhat rich, then I could build my own camper vehicle and make it very modern.

[signal star]

I wanna build my SUV out into a camper and live out of it when I'm not trucking

[signal star]

multiply than by 100 and you gotta deal

[cerulean helm]

Well, that was interesting. Decided to give Asus "ai" overclocking a run. And boy did it pump some serious voltage to the cpu. It wanted to push 1.45v to run the P cores at 5.7 and the E cores at 4.7.

[mossy gull]

For me it would be around a 12m long camper, 8x8 with 4 axle steering.

[signal star]

I gotta lil 4Runner. I want a setup like this but with a PC
https://www.reddit.com/r/CherokeeXJ/comments/yhimlk/playing_star_citizen_on_solar_power_30_a_month_5g/

[mossy gull]

I want to build my own camper so I can have more space than all the other normal ish sized campers on the road.

But it probably would be illegal to be build in many countries 🤣

[signal star]

Europe?

[cinder lagoon]

Tell me, would it need 2 lanes? Or 2 stories? :D

Cause there are travel bus-conversions to like pretty proper living accomodations

[signal star]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gear-scream-scare-caravan-camping-car-gif-21177940

[signal star]

2 stories. DEFINITELY

[mossy gull]

If a vehicle misses the entire steering column(that thing that binds the steering wheel with the wheels) then my idea would be illegal in many countries.

[cinder lagoon]

So how would you steer it then? :D

[signal star]

sails and a rudder

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh thats good

slamming the brakes on one side of the vehicle

[signal star]

Eventually I wanna sailboat linked to Starlink

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm Equinox didn't specify what kind of vehicle - that could also mean a tank 🤔

[mossy gull]

Like a lot of very modern vehicles actually do, digitally.
So you actually make it lighter by missing the entire steering column.

[cinder lagoon]

Ouhhh steer by wire

[mossy gull]

Yes that

[cinder lagoon]

Would it save you anything except weight?

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/Pf-JM6k7yrQ

[cinder lagoon]

Btw not sure how much weight that actually saves, it just reduces mechanical components that can fail

[mossy gull]

Gives you more options than a steering wheel alone, so if you want you can use a stick or let a computer drive the vehicle for you without the steering wheel moving.

[cinder lagoon]

I see - If it were a hologram 6DOF control I think it would be unsuited tho because all of the other traffic :P

All the flippin of n stuff

[mossy gull]

If you would want hologram controls than even that would be possible, and you know a land vehicle only needs 2DOF 🤣

[cerulean helm]

Well, I managed to briefly hit 6Ghz on one of the P-cores on my 13700k. Kinda crazy. All 8 P cores sit at 5.7Ghz and 3 bounce up to 5.9 and one of the 3 hitting 6Ghz.

[jade scaffold]

thats all a server is
i did the opposite with my server Server in a PC case

[mossy gull]

A server case is just a rack mountable case that's mostly space efficient.

[jade scaffold]

yea

also easy to swap out and optimised for 100w+ of fans in the front

[mossy gull]

Well, I am not gonna that powerful on fans🤣

But yes it's possible

[jade scaffold]

depends on where you have your server

[mossy gull]

My own room, under the floorboards

[jade scaffold]

Data center or super computer servers will have at minimum 100w+ of fan

seen some servers with like 400w worth of Fan

[sacred seal]

Because of there design, unless it has external water cooling you really need crazy powerful (and therefore loud) fans to keep these things cool

[jade scaffold]

you dont need it actually

[sacred seal]

Well with 2u chassis

3u+ you can afford to mount proper coolers on everything

[jade scaffold]

but the performance gained from efficiency of cooling out weigh pouring 400w of electricity into fans

servers will usually also have heat exchangers behind them to cool down the air that comes out back

[mossy gull]

Most of the cooling for me will be in the window opening of my room.
I just need some slow air cooling for other components.

[jade scaffold]

small servers like 1U and 2U are super dense so you need high pressure to push air through them well

my Server runs off a 2U heatsink all be it its in a case that currently has 8 fans in it

still really need to get that water block on it but i really do not like taking the cooler of the monstrosity

[mossy gull]

But that's the fun part😃

[jade scaffold]

no thats the part where the cpu falls off the cooler and into the socket

[mossy gull]

I know

I like that kinda mounting

[jade scaffold]

still want some SMX GPUs tbh

[jade scaffold]

i hate it because it relies solely on the torque of the cooler to keep the processor level

also makes taking apart computers in their standing position very hard

[mossy gull]

That's why I like for example torque wrenches like the 1 for Epyc and Threadripper

[jade scaffold]

mind you when i eventually decide to do a full system upgrade im gonna swap to a full ATX EPYC CPU and put my gaming PC in the ITX slot then maybe turn my server into a holiday PC or somthing silly like that because i do really like the motherboard

the only thing i dont like about the New EPYC CPUs is they are just too big to cram on an ITX Board

like maybe you could if you only had 2 ram slots on the top of the PCB and put 2 or maybe 4 on the bottom but like i doubt anyones gonna do that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593040008928296979/945746648158580787/IMG_20220222_181910.jpg

this thing is crammed enough as is

[mossy gull]

Yeah I am just going E-ATX😅

Although I would love a DTX I think they're called but with 2 slots on it.

[jade scaffold]

yea

If i wanted it to fit in the ITX slot it actually has to be ITX on this PC and i dont quite see how you'd fit this atrocity onto an ITX Board like i say its probably possible and like you could cram one edge of the board with mini PCIE 8x slots but WHYYYYY

[mossy gull]

Magic

Also I love the size of that Epyc 🤣

[jade scaffold]

i mean maybe i guess

hold up much better image

i could see a bigger CPU fitting that kinda form factor

Cram more mini X8 slots on the side maybe go sodim ram put some slots on the back too for extra channels of ram

ayo whats this thing i want one

they are actually fairly low power too

[mossy gull]

I would love like at least 2 PCIe X16, but with splitted cables.

[signal star]

Im gonna watercool my 5800X3D and 6900XT. Could that fit in a SFFPC?

[jade scaffold]

yes

but depends on the case that you want to use

[surreal moss]

This for the truck build?

[mossy gull]

@signal star you have to put in a rack for your GPU though

[signal star]

No, just in general. Specifically looking at a SFFPC

[signal star]

Thinking I need to try adjusting the fan curves before buying a water block and AIO, but idk anything about doing that

[sonic meadow]

All depends on the case. Usually sff diy system cases support water cooling, since it let's you move the chunky components around. But the best bet would be to look at other people builds if you have a case picked out already

[signal star]

I have a 4000D AF rn

If I go watercooling, I would downsize to a SFFPC

[sonic meadow]

then you would want to pick a case that supports the kind of watercooling you plan on doing. just beware that most of the truly small ones only support AIOs, theres not usually space for a pump and res in those

[sacred seal]

There is also the consideration of watercooling and movement don't go that well together. Things shaking around is a good way to have fittings loosen or air bubbles introduced

[signal star]

I want to try messing with the fan curves. Reason why Im looking at watercooling is my rig gets WAYYY too loud running the simplest of games it should handle EZ No problem.

If messing with the curve will quiet it down then I’ll leave the system as-is

[signal star]

Is this fan curve normal/good for my 6900XT for 4k ultrawide gaming?

[sonic meadow]

does it keep your system at reasonable temperatures while being at a noise thats comfortable for you?

[signal star]

The noise from the fans is the main issue

[sonic meadow]

yes, is it still an issue after changing your curves?

we arent the ones with your computer making changes for you. you are the one who has to decide if what youve done is having the effect you wanted it to

[signal star]

well I tried using the default GPU curve and that wasn't making the sound I am sick of hearing. Went into BIOS to check CPU/case fan settings. I never turned them from DC to PWM. Doing a test of some games now

[jade scaffold]

There's pump res combo blocks if you need them for sff

[jade scaffold]

Because my pc is water cooled my fan curves are mostly just flat they have a very slight incline and a big ol spike at the end

[mossy gull]

Sounds like how Asus does it

[jade scaffold]

Not really