Technically it's a different visa but I do meet all the requirements as well as having my paperwork sorted.
#archived-culture-study-visa
stable talon
👌 zee Germans do love their paperwork XD
olive summit
natürlich
warped atlas
@olive summit I also haven‘t heard anything from them, but so far, no news about ABH as far as I can tell, so you‘ll be fine
And as a dude who had to wait a few months longer for my Blue Card, to the point where my Fiktionsbescheinigung expired, twice, because Berlin had to determine that I mean Germany no harm, cause I came from a „dangerous“ country, I called the ABH to the specific Sachbearbeiter that handles my case.
If you have the paperwork, talk good German, and be polite all the time, they‘d really help you on staying on legally (in my case, extending the Fiktionsbescheinigung until I got the Blue Card)
amber perch
in the institutions that accept foreigners e.g. unis and companies, are there generally a special department in these institutions that specifically aim to help newcomers deal with visa issues, housing issues and other living issues in germany?
fair talon
@olive summit Just a bit of advice. I had something similar last year (My visa appointment was after the last day I could stay in the country), and when I told the Ausländerbehörde that, they were able to give me a temporary visa the same day that was good til a month after my appointment. Might be worth asking them!
@amber perch In my university at least, we have an International Office that helps with Visa stuff and whatnot, and Student Services that helps with housing and uni life stuff for all students. Not sure about living issues though
amber perch
thanks
olive summit
@fair talon @warped atlas appreciate the advice, I'll look into that!
exotic barn
So I just came to know, Bridegroom Oak is a thing.
I'm fancying sending a letter to the place now
Apparently it's a charm for quite some marriages
Do all the Germans know of this though?
verbal linden
what is that
verbal linden
aww thats so sweet the tree is married to another tree
exotic barn
Some statistical advantage maybe
Ikr!
I have to say though..
With that profile pic and you saying aww..it made it a lot less scarier
verbal linden
🙂
exotic barn
If you don't mind me asking, what is your profile pic?😅
verbal linden
🙂
exotic barn
Possums are cute though!
verbal linden
exotic barn
I thought it was a demon...
verbal linden
wow rude
verbal linden
it ok
verbal linden
fine, pretty boring. but we should probably move to another channel lmao
exotic barn
Oh, which one?
verbal linden
uh idk but it doesnt really belong in this channel anymore lol
exotic barn
Ah got it 👌
verbal linden
fair talon
One thing these online classes are making very apparent is the shitty quality of Deutsche internet 😅
tight kelp
hm, i wonder if they'll finally upgrade it to match the prices they ask for
vague brook
i doubt it
olive summit
don't pay anything for my internet so can't really complain. Speed is about average but it cuts out several times a day which is annoying
fair talon
Yeah, thats my biggest complaint too. I dont mind the speed being crap (gaming thankfully doesnt require that much, just low ping lol), but the random cutting out several times a day is the worst
alpine dock
I'm applying for erasmus in Germany and universities that have an agreement with my uni have lectures in German which is a problem but they offer intensive German language course in which I am very interested because I love German language. Is there someone who took similar course I would love to hear his/her experience and/or experience about being erasmus student in DE?
olive summit
Not an Erasmus student but i have completed a few German courses at a Uni that Erasmus students also attend. For the most part they were very fast paced with one chapter covered every week in addition to an exam at the end. Usually an essay and 1-2 quizzes weekly as well.
From my understanding it was pretty 'intensive' in that we covered a lot of information very quickly while also actively participating in group discussions and whatnot. I imagine erasmus courses are similar
tropic edge
I have a question regarding the internet I have at home. It's Vodafone and cuts a bit every now and again, I'm suspecting it's the Modem-Anschlusskabel so I'm looking to replace that.
Do you think I should call Vodafone and ask them?
On Amazon it's way cheaper than what I found in Saturn, should I go ahead and order it?
Are there different types of this cable I should be aware off?
tropic edge
No not these, the one that goes from the wall to the modem itself
The one that looks like the satellite tv cable
This bad boi costs 25 Euros, online similar stuff costs like 9 and 8 so I just wanted to double check with someone
Nevermind the question then, this is way too complex and I don't wanna bother you with searching up stuff for me. Many thanks
olive summit
Could be the cable, lmk because my internet also cuts out every so often
tropic edge
Okay, I'll keep you posted
exotic barn
that looks like an F type connector so if you want speedy internet or whatever I'd get quad shield rg6
exotic barn
Hey there people.
Are there any "safe" universities anyone might know of where I'd have a high chance of admission in a mechanical/mechatronics masters program?
Please do let me know, it'll be extremely helpful.
hidden briar
https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/wiki/studying read first. Do you have a completed bachelor degree in a related field?
exotic barn
Yeah I have @hidden briar
jaunty oasis
Hello can someone please answer this? https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/221709483284496394/690216829842489399
fair talon
If theyre already on this server, and the type to answer questions, wouldnt they already be in that channel? 😅
jaunty oasis
I think I posted in the wrong channel + the question got buried
lunar garden
anybody know if international student can make a depotbank account?
alpine dock
@olive summit thanks for answer, I managed to find an university which has everything I want and it's even in English ❤️
olive summit
Kein Problem 👍
winged quiver
hey guys, I'm deciding whether to go to unviersity at university of vienna or ludwig maximillians. Do you guys have any advice or points for why one would be better than the other?
please @ me in a response
lunar garden
@winged quiver try reading their modules and compare them, see what you like better
alpine dock
@winged quiver look in details what each university offers and if you want you can email them for some information. If you still can't decide go based on location or prestige of university
deep vessel
for a bachelors, I think location and price (e.g. rent) are far more important. most everyone i've talked to says there isn't really a big prestige gap between unis in germany for undergrad. unless you specifically want to go straight into a master after a bachelor. then you'd probably want to look into what unis do really well in what you want to master in
olive summit
Vienna is a prettier city imo, my uncle went to the uni there actually
but Ludwig Maxmillian is nothing to scoff at either
deep vessel
especially if you're not an eu citizen I've also heard the bureaucracy is far worse in austria
olive summit
My uncle arrived as a political asylum seeker from Iran in the 80s so if he can make it work I'm sure you can lmao
amber perch
what makes the bureaucracy so bad
exotic gorge
Asylbewerber is the most common term I've heard.
If that's what you're asking. Which term is most often used.
deep vessel
the google trends results matches that
foggy prism
Asylbedürftiger and Asylbewerber are not the same thing
the former is someone who needs asylum, the latter is someone who’s asking for it
sharp zinc
the former is someone who needs asylum, the latter is someone who’s asking for it
@foggy prism Bestimmt 🙂
Ich habe Fragen über die Asylbedürftigerbewerbung
winged quiver
Thanks for all the tips guys
After following that I found university of Vienna to be better for me! Thanks so much
pine egret
hi guys, is it expected to tip people who deliver food as well? (via things like ubereats)
foggy prism
no, but it is common to round up if you pay with cash
(e.g. if you pay 18 you might round up to 20)
it’s absolutely not expected tho
tipping is for good service, not just for doing the expected job
pine egret
got it, thanks a lot ßascha
tight kelp
note that sascha is from switzerland. The custom may be different in germany or austria
i don't have info on this for my area so i'm curious too 🤔
sick imp
Mmmm Vienna. Very good choice if I do say so myself.
At least in restaurants and cafes in Austria, rounding up isn't uncommon. It's even done when paying with cards, between the time when they tell you the price and when they enter it in.
alpine dock
@winged quiver do you mind telling me based on what you chose Vienna?
winged quiver
I narrowed it down to between Munich (LMU), Zürich (ETHZ), and Vienna (UV) based off of amount of recreation, proximity to skiing, ability to find a community, type of programs, and entry requirements :)
I ruled out ETHZ after a bit of thinking since I felt like I didn't want to have to rely on passing the entrace exam to go here. Plus Switzerland is very pricy.
Then between Munich and Vienna I chose Vienna based once again off of price. LMU was a lot smaller and had a better rank but I figured all of that wouldn't be worth it if I was paying a lot more to live there. Another factor was I didn't take any AP English in HS so that left me just shy of all the requirements to be able to study Linguistics and Biology at LMU without Studenkolleg. This means I would have to be paying another years worth of rent for Munich which would make me broke by the 4th year. At Vienna I already had all the requirements so I could just study whatever and finish in 3 years (maybe more since I may double major)
Last one though is I already had a couple close friends living in Vienna so I would be able to find it a lot easier to find a community than in Munich 🙂
@alpine dock
winged quiver
ty!
tropic edge
Has anyone built a PC in Germany? I have a few questions about the logistics of it all.
olive summit
logistics? kinda works the same anywhere lol. For places to buy parts I'd recommend Saturn or Mediamarkt, latter is cheaper sometimes
unless you're referring to delivery or something
winter osprey
has anyone gone to a university in germany as an international student? i would like to know what you had to do
fair talon
Thats a bit of a vague statement there 😅 but yeah, there's a lot of international students here. I'm one from the US
winter osprey
did you have to go through a studienkollegen?
fair talon
This is why vague questions are bad 😅
I came to Germany as a Graduate student, not Bachelors
No studienkolleg for me
winter osprey
my bad lol
winged quiver
@winter osprey your high diploma is valid in Austria to start you studies
That’s what I’m gonna do
winter osprey
have you finished high school?
winged quiver
No. I’m a junior
crude imp
Ooo I'm interested on studying for a other bachelor's in Germany after I graduate this December
olive summit
daad.de is a good resource which lists Bachelor and Master degree programs in English
crude imp
Niiiceewww I'll check it out!
winged quiver
For Bachelors I doubt you will find any degree offered in English
for the one in Vienna there are like two classes you can take in English and the rest is German
tight kelp
why would one get a second bachelor?
winged quiver
I mean, I figured she was interested in another subject and wanted to learn about it
Is that not a thing in Europe
I assumed it might be. Since here usually you just do a minor if you're interested in something else
But some places in Europe that isn't allowed
crude imp
Oh I'm studying in the US rn, majoring in Accounting and minoring in Information Systems
tight kelp
there is no major and minor system in germany and most(?) of europe (europe is not a country, everyone does it differently so i can't speak for the whole continent). But personally, learning multiple bachelors seems like a waste of time. I'd just change course if I noticed my interests changed, or I would complete the bachelor and then specialise in something that crosses over to the new interests
crude imp
Well, let me explain
tight kelp
for example my background is in linguistics, but were i still studying i'd have tried to find a way into research that involved computer science together with linguistics
crude imp
My boyfriend and I figured that the easiest and most economic way to get me there without marrying yet would be by getting a student visa and studying over there bc bachelors is free
The degree is just a means to an end
tight kelp
that seems troublesome 🤔 but at that point, why not study something that stems from your existing bachelor
ofc it's not free but compared to american studying expenses it would still be practically free in most cases
crude imp
Yeah, I thought about the programme in international business since I already know 2 languages fluently and German would potentially be the 3rd
tight kelp
also there are masters programmes held in english but for a bachelor you would have to know german to a university student's level
crude imp
Yeah, so the program is in English, but there will be a German proficiency exam at the end of the year in which students enrolled in the program must prove that they know how to maintain a decent conversation in German
So it is true what you say, but the school teaches the language and you have to take the exam in the end
Also yes, it's not free, but it is relatively more economic than over here in the US :v hypothetically, if all goes well, o could apply for employment and residency visas afterwards
tight kelp
if you don't really want to study there may be other ways to come and stay here
though honestly i never had to face this as a eu citizen so i wouldn't know ^^"
crude imp
Yeah that's also true, and we did consider those options as well, but it would take a very long time :v additionally, the degrees in the US are not the same as the degrees over there either and chances are that my degree wouldnt even be as competitive over there:v so that's also why we thought the student visa might be the best option
Additionally, the student visa allows foreigners to work part-time while studying, so that's nice
And to go back to what you mentioned about the master's, that one's not free :v so even though it is a good idea, it's not as feasible as we would want it to be
tight kelp
degrees in the US are not the same as the degrees over there either and chances are that my degree wouldnt even be as competitive over there
they're not the same but there is a process to equate them, it's probably better than having to start over from scratch
as far as finding work goes, competitiveness is not nearly as much of a thing as it is in the usa (which from what i hear sounds almost like a battle royale sort of situation xD). Depending on the specific field the degree doesn't even matter much at all, what they care about is that you have an Ausbildung or other sort of practical experience, which you'd have to gain even after getting a bachelor here
crude imp
Yes, of course! And it literally is like a Battle Royale Like I applied to several internships and the companies replied that they would want me to work there, but that I needed a Master's for that :/ and basically wouldn't even have any experience until Master's 
I literally have straight A's and a 3.86/4.0 GPA and apparently I'm still not good enough
tight kelp
here it's more relaxed. The name of the school you went to isn't that important, for example
crude imp
That sounds like the best thing in the world for me tbh bc I've been in so many clubs and held so many leadership positions whilst working and being a full-time students because we are taught that "you have to get involved to even be noticed", but honestly that's also messed up bc you no longer have time to even take care of your mental health anymore
olive summit
There are a few English-taught bachelor programs
I am applying to some, obv more masters are offered in english rather than bachelors doe
winged quiver
@tight kelp Tuition can be in the 10,000 - 20,000 range for those got their bachelors outside the EU
That’s about the same as a state school in American though
void perch
Moin
tropic edge
Guys does anyone know if delivery of orders through stuff like DHL would still be on given the current situation?
Oh really, has it not dispatched? Is it on the way? I'm afraid of ordering something and not receiving it :( @boreal hazel
A quick look on the DHL website tells me that local parcels should be fine but international one may be a bit troublesome
olive summit
expecting something from China its out for delivery we'll see 😳
still ridge
How is the situation with corona impacting the universities in Germany?
Are they closed or are they mainly still open?
exotic gorge
Most universities have delayed the start of their summer semester. German universities have a different schedule compared to American ones. Summer semester would have started in April.
still ridge
Ah ok tysm for responding @exotic gorge
tight kelp
you'll receive your package though it may take more time than usual. As the situation progresses, Germany might do what Italy did and block all shipments of non-essentials
void perch
Hallo
alpine dock
https://en.my-stuwe.de/housing/#nav-choose-location is this the right place to look for a place as a student for Nürtingen and Geislingen
jagged oasis
If I want to figure out what exactly I need to do to get my license here, is it a good idea to ask in the local Fahrschule first? I don't want them to be like you need to take Fahrstunden if in actuality I really don't.
jade helm
@jagged oasis du bist doch Bw, am Besten erstmal da fragen
jade helm
@exotic barn Bw ist die Abkürzung für Bundeswehr
exotic barn
Ah ok
jagged oasis
@jade helm kann mir nicht vorstellen, daß die so hilfreich sein werden, und für die nächsten 2 Wochen ist meine Kaserne eh leergeräumt 😅
delicate crownBOT
dass*, @jagged oasis
jade helm
@jagged oasis generell sollten die aber helfen können, Stichwort Kraftfahrausbildungszentrum
selbst wenn du nur B machen würdest
sonst gilt halt das Allgemeine:
Theorie:
- 12 Doppelstunden (Grundstoff) á 90 Minuten bei Ersterwerb;
- 6 Doppelstunden á 90 Minuten Grundstoff bei Erweiterung
- 2 Doppelstunden á 90 Minuten Zusatzstoff
Praxis:
- Grundausbildung gemäß Fahrschüler-Ausbildungsverordnung (Zahl der Stunden ist von den persönlichen Fähigkeiten und dem Lernfortschritt abhängig)
Sonderfahrten:
- Bundes- oder Landstraße: 5 x 45 Minuten
- Autobahn: 4 x 45 Minuten
- Nacht/Dämmerung: 3 x 45 Minuten
jagged oasis
so wie ich es verstanden habe ist es heutzutage ziemlich selten, daß FWDler einen Führerschein ber der Bundeswehr machen dürfen, und wenn nur als FWD12+. Im Oktober bin ich eh schon raus, also lohnt es sich nicht mir so eine Ausbildung zu schenken
delicate crownBOT
dass*, @jagged oasis
jagged oasis
ich hoffe ich kann zumindest die Fahrstunden meiden 😅 ein oder zwei maximal, sodaß ich weiß worauf ich bei der Prüfung achten muss. Find es sowas von Bescheuert, daß New York noch keine Absprache mit Deutschland hat, um eine einfache Übertragung der Fahrerlaubnis zu ermöglichen
delicate crownBOT
dass*, @jagged oasis
jagged oasis
während andere Staaten wie South Dakota oder sogar Puerto Rico sowas schon haben
void perch
Halo ir Tolen Leude
jade helm
@jagged oasis also wenn das so ist, musst du wahrscheinlich neu machen. Die Möglichkeit zum Tausch sollte bis zu 6 Monate nach deinem Umzug nach D möglich sein. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/driving-licence/driving-licence-exchange-recognition/germany/index_de.htm
und hier alle Anschriften der Zulassungsbehörden, falls du umtauschen willst: https://www.kba.de/SharedDocs/Publikationen/DE/Anschriftenverzeichnisse/av1_2020_01_pdf.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=37
jagged oasis
Danke, i schau's mir mal an
jade helm
o7
unique glacier
Hallo alle
little perch
fair talon
https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/bkin-en/news/statement-chancellor-1732302 If you just want the text, here's the official translation.
short trout
i took the testdaf years ago and slayed it. I'm wondering if unis will mind if that happened long ago... i know the results don't really 'expire' but i'm assuming some unis do care(?) anyone know?
static lark
You’ll usually find a limit on the uni website or you can email them and ask.
jaunty oasis
did anyone here apply for an "Aufenthalterlaubnis" before?
jaunty oasis
student
jaunty oasis
@olive summit gibt man hier den Namen des Vermieters und seine eigene Anschrift an? oder den der Uni und deren Anschrift?
I am confused whether they mean by
Geschäftspartner = Vermieter
Ausbildungsstätte = Uni
olive summit
it looks to be either or. For my case I never went through an online portal since I met with my case worker and we went over all the required documents in person
dim bridge
They don't mean the owner of your apartment. Geschäftspartner = business partner (for example, if you're going to open a joint venture with somebody from Germany and that's the reason for your stay in Germany, then you'd give that person's name). If the reason for your stay in Germany is studying at a university, then your university is your "Bezugsperson". :)
jaunty oasis
ach so
I thought they would need my own Aufenthaltort for the Aufenthalterlaubnis
thanks jedenfalls :D
dim bridge
Aufenthaltserlaubnis means as much as "permission to stay", meaning: permission to stay in Germany. They basically want to make sure you have a valid reason (from their point of view) for coming to/remaining in Germany. 🤷
humble bough
do they let you fill out that form online these days?
deep vessel
@jaunty oasis I don't live there anymore but that's the city i used to live in!
it's been a while but i believe you could fill it out online via the questionnaire but then had to print it out and bring it in in person. The online form was to just make the filling out process easier.
lunar garden
guys, got corona symptom
need someone to deliver me supermarket stuff to live 😦
any advice on where to get those help?
celest umbra
have a look on facebook? a lot of groups have formed there for exactly that reason
tight kelp
check out deliveroo and similar apps for one that serves your area. I got a friend that works with Glovo but that one only serves a few countries for now, and dach aren't among them
tropic edge
Wait isn't it that if you show symptoms, you could still go about your day just wearing masks and stuff? I mean go about your day not hanging in close proximity with people, but also do your own shopping so on and so forth, if you're able?
fair talon
What nein said. Theres a lot of "coronahilfe" groups for different cities that can help out with that
burnt hare
@tropic edge, I don't think it's a sensible way. If you're ill, a mask may be not enough
tropic edge
@burnt hare A mask is only enough if you're sick, that's why they are actually used for. To protect the healthy from the sick, would make a lot more sense for a sick person to wear them. Again this is only given people don't socialize and all but if you could get out of bed and help yourself, I'm not sure what's the issue. This is going to be cold season anyway, it's almost spring.
burnt hare
I agree that a mask works like that (at least I heard they do so). I won't dispute what you wrote because I know little about that but what I wanted to say is that if you aren't sure whether it's enough to protect other people, it's safer to just stay home
tropic edge
True, I agree. Just staying at home would be the best thing to do right now. I was just asking my question above because I've been feeling common cold symptoms and don't want to jump the gun, saying it's Corona. But if I'm not tired or bed ridden, I could do shopping on my own, wearing a mask and gloves. Btw I do have N95 masks, if that changes anything.
solemn bay
If you think you have it, you're not really supposed to leave the house at all, even for groceries. Of course if you don't have another option then you may have to, but... You can get in a lot of trouble. @tropic edge
tight kelp
corona is also transmitted through your hands and can survive on surfaces for hours or even days. And gloves aren't foolproof because you're still going to touch them to put them on and off, and few people wash them under running hot water as they should (or toss away the disposable ones after each use—this bit also applies to masks)
so yeah, staying home is the only responsible course of action
fair talon
Hence the reccomendation to try the coronahilfe groups. The one in Hamburg at least is very active
tropic edge
@tight kelp @solemn bay
Okay is this effort on your part to reach a conclusion as medical professionals or have you heard this from professionals? As far as I know, none of these are the precautions mentioned. There are cases in which people don't show symptoms and don't belong to Risikogruppen, however are infected and are transmitters. Imagine if these people do your shopping. Plus, you can't expect to be told to not leave the house at all. That would only be the case if a medical professional is actually looking after you. Even in Italy where everything is on actual lockdown, they are allowed to go for groceries.
solemn bay
As an example, here is the official warning from my government based on medical recommendation:
You must go straight home or to your hotel. Do not go to the shops, even to buy food, medicine or groceries. Organise for family or friends to buy supplies for your or order them online for delivery.
do not go to public places such as work, school, shopping centres, childcare or university
ask someone to get food and other necessities for you and leave them at your front door
do not let visitors in — only people who usually live with you should be in your home
do not need to wear a mask in your home, but do wear one if you have to go out (for example to seek medical attention)
should stay in touch by phone and online with your family and friends```This is for everyone? People who've been tested positive? People with cold-like symptoms? People who've read the symptoms of the virus and are psychosomatic?
tight kelp
@tropic edge I have heard this from professionals, one is my father, another is a friend, a third one is a cardiologist who is also a very good youtuber (MedLifeCrisis, look him up, he has some good videos about corona).
Yes, there are asympthomatic infected as well, so everybody should reduce contact with the outside world and take precautions for sure, but I don't see how this would invalidate anything that was said. People who buy stuff on commission for others also take precautions and I'd assume whoever hires them is aware of the risks too.
About Italy, people are allowed to go for groceries, but with several restrictions. You can't leave your comune and if you have sympthoms you are not allowed to leave the house even for that unless you prove you have no alternative, otherwise you risk fines between 500 and 3000€ and several years in prison.
tropic edge
If the above stated is true, we're going to have a really hard time with spring rolling around.
tight kelp
some predict the virus will subside as the climate gets hotter for the season
many countries are already having a bad time anyway. Like Italy
tropic edge
I really hope this passes and I don't wish it on anyone, hard times for sure. Wishing health and wellness to all of you!
solemn bay
Well eventually we will just have vaccines so naturally there will be some end to it.
But yeah, anyone who even thinks they might have a chance to have the virus, not even if they feel sick but if they have been in contact with someone who might be sick, is meant to follow these restrictions.
And I'm not sure exactly the legal ramifications in my country, but police are trying to enforce it as best as they can.
But of course there are exceptions, like Berzi said. If you are incapable of getting food otherwise, if you need medical care, etc.
But even in those cases you are probably best off contacting health authorities for advice.
tight kelp
i don't know that it's certain we'll have vaccines but viruses don't just survive forever, and humanity has gone through much, much worse than covid19
tame forum
well we survived the dinosaurs so this is nothing.
alpine dock
guys, got corona symptom
@lunar garden I hope it's nothing serious, get well soon ❤️
willow pike
Hi, I have a question about applying to German Universities (more specifically, a Studienkolleg).
I don't recall the specific terminology but you are required to show proof that you are eligible to attend a university in your home country. But I haven't found a lot of like, exact information on this.
I never took the SATs but I have three semesters of community college credits under my belt and was wondering if this would be enough generally speaking to satisfy this requirement.
dusty viper
i think the SAT is an american test exclusively, so they wouldnt really consider it since youre studying abroad
i might me incorrect though
willow pike
I have read that it is considered valid proof and it gets mentioned a lot.
As far as I know it's just US/Canada but it's entry to university in your country
verbal cloud
@alpine dock i saw in a video that viral fever can be cured in 3 to 4 day. By drinking fresh citrus juice like oranges, pineapple etc. And fresh coconut juice.
Not packaged juice.
Take fresh juice in large quantity.
You may verify this before applying
willow pike
I usually water fast when I get a fever
take my autism with a grain of salt
Starving it out usually helps for me
lunar garden
thank you, it already got better though
guess it was triggered by some sort of panic yesterday 😅
humble bough
I don't recall the specific terminology but you are required to show proof that you are eligible to attend a university in your home country. But I haven't found a lot of like, exact information on this.
@willow pike I have never heard of this being a thing, do you have a source for where this is required?
My understanding is that you have to show that your education meets the requirements to do whatever German degree you wanna do, not that you are eligible back home
I applied to a graduate program, so perhaps this is an undergrad-specific requirement, but this definitely wasn't required of me
you also don't have to be eligible to attend university to take the SAT or ACT in the US so I'm not sure that would accomplish this task anyway
(ping me if/when you respond 32168 I'm willing/able to give advice re: applying to german unis but I don't always check this channel)
foggy prism
I have never heard of this being a thing, do you have a source for where this is required?
it certainly exists for some combinations of university and country. e.g. ETH requires it for students from canada wanting to enrol in a bsc course
winged quiver
@willow pike From asking around unlike the US if you meet the requirements to get in you will probably get in. So you don't need to impress anyone with an SAT score :)
In the past if you got a 1350+ you could get direct admit to all courses but that ended recently 😦
Did you take any AP classes in high school? You might be eligable for a direct admit to a specific subject genre. Also will you be finishing a 4th semester at community college, if so you can also do a direct admit (depends on what classes you took).
For me I also have to get a proof from a university that I could study there but am choosing (in my case) to study at the university of vienna. For this I am just going to my local state uni to get that permission. I remember using a website once which told you which unis are accredeted, but some German unis may have more specific requirements.
Here is some more infomation on the whole proof thing
I think the whole point of this is just to say you're not studying at blank because you're a refugee or attending because you know you wont pass the entrance exam in your country
You can go to this link https://anabin.kmk.org/no_cache/filter/institutionen.html to find which unis are accepted
Postsecondary educational institutions marked as H+ are recognised by the University of Vienna.
Postsecondary educational institutions marked as H+/- have to be checked individually to see if they are recognised by the University of Vienna.
Postsecondary educational institutions marked as H- are, without exception, not recognised by the University of Vienna
For you (also my case too) you have to prove that you could be admitted to the school which will write for you. Since you didn't take the SAT you're gonna have to go with a test optional school. Here is a list of those. https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-test-optional-colleges/
If you're close to washington whitman is a great choice 🙂
or whitworth
willow pike
I really appreciate this write up, sorry for the scant information in my post. I get rather dizzy sometimes.
I'm about 99% sure I don't qualify for direct admission, and I haven't applied to any universities given my intent has been to transfer after 4 complete semesters. (this would be the coming winter)
It seems I could simply take the FSP which I probably? could pass, however I think I am confusing myself
Voraussetzungen für die Aufnahme
Um in das Studienkolleg Sachsen aufgenommen zu werden, müssen folgende Voraussetzungen erfüllt sein.
Der Bewerber muss Sprachkenntnisse Deutsch auf dem Niveau B1 nach dem "Gemeinsamen europäischen Referenzrahmen für Sprachen" nachweisen. Dieses Niveau erreicht man nach etwa 500 Unterrichtsstunden.
Wenn ein Bewerber über diese Sprachkenntnisse nicht verfügt, kann er sie in einem Sprachkurs, z. B. bei interDaF e.V. am Herder-Institut der Universität Leipzig, erwerben.
Der Bewerber muss über eine sog. Bedingte Vorzulassung zum Fachstudium durch eine Universität oder wissenschaftliche Hochschule des Freistaates Sachsen verfügen.
Diese Vorzulassung können
Erstbewerber erhalten, indem sie sich an die Servicestelle uni-assist e.V. wenden
(bitte nicht an das Studienkolleg Sachsen und auch nicht an ein Akademisches Auslandsamt einer sächsischen Universität).
Wiederholungsbewerber erhalten, indem sich sich an die Institution wenden, von der sie die ursprüngliche Vorzulassung erhalten haben, z.B. das
Akademische Auslandsamt der Universität Leipzig
So, I really need to apply directly to the Uni first and would basically be told I am accepted or not but need to go to the Studienkolleg is what I'm seeing
winged quiver
@willow pike Have you considered Austria? In can be just as cheap and you will be able to go directly into studying without studienkolleg if you have a c1 or higher
Also for a lot of schools in Germany if you've done 2+ years of uni they say its about the same as abi
you probably qualify
ngl I don't really know how to interpret this
Oh wait!
You will have an associates degree right?
Direct entry!
willow pike
@winged quiver I haven't looked into Austria very much but I'm definitely willing. I really appreciate your help and enthusiasm
I could get an associate's degree pretty quickly, although my German level is ~B2 which I'm testing for in about a month so I'd like experience writing papers and stuff in German, as the most I've written was CVs / short essays
tbh up until a while ago my plan was just to transfer for engineering classes once I was done with calc and physics
so I didn't go straight for an associate's
winged quiver
University of Vienna sounds perfect for you if you dont mind the size
Though Leipzig may be a cheaper?
willow pike
I was actually planning on applying to Leipzig as a first choice
winged quiver
I figured you were doing to save money 😄
willow pike
Oh yes, American University is ungodly expensive.
But that's not really why I picked Leipzig
winged quiver
But yeah, a studienkolleg will definetly help with you German 🙂 I think you'll be fine and save a year but I know no better
Why Leipzig?
willow pike
I'm familiar with several people in the area of Saxony
so it was really that or Dresden
winged quiver
I see, where are you from in the US?
winged quiver
aww, Leipzig will be amazing
I just couldn't imagine going anywhere not by mountains
willow pike
I'm a fan of hiking myself, although doing so in Texas is often suicidal
milsurp boots are an unfortunate staple of my wardrobe because of it
olive summit
Leipzig is very pretty
everyone raves about south Germany and the Alps but the north and east can be just as breathtaking
cheaper as well
winged quiver
Haha, I see too many things on reddit of people haveing 'fassion glow ups' when they go to Europe
I would consider Leipzig like the texas or alabama of Germany
Definetly requires a certain type of person
willow pike
i doubt this will be well received here but
I made friends w a bunch of Reconquista Germanica guys
and they all live in Saxony
it's hilarious
So I get what you mean 100%
winged quiver
what is a reconquistagermanic
willow pike
2 mins, playing a mil sim
basically right wing german propaganda effort on the internet
met them playing RO2
winged quiver
ahh i see
olive summit
based
willow pike
there is nothing more based than mowing down your own teammates in a tank crew playing milsims @olive summit
then be like
"oh, the hill was filled with friendlies?"
olive summit
lmao
winged quiver
Lil B got em goin
olive summit
tight kelp
italien
amerikanische pizza
... :>
olive summit
😳
fleet pelican
triggering berzi is like my top 5 favorite things to watch
dreamy ether
I wanna learn one last thing for today .. umm there is that question which bothers me .. but.. Why would a german help a non german learn german
I mean .. I thought germans were afraid of umm ... getting invaded by non germans more than they already are ... is that really the case or ?
mossy beacon
Well, I think germans are actually proud of their language and wanna share it, even though they don't say it. But maybe that's just me. There are many individual reasons I suppose.
And for the raided thing: It's.... weird. Some people here seem to habe concerns, but it's mostly towards non germans who don't wanna learn about the language and culture, who don't wanna work and don't wanna integrate at all. So just live by the means of the state without actually doing anything. But that doesn't really happen often, does it?
dreamy ether
legit, a german friend told me that umm arabs smell bad .. and that he wouldn't want them near him .. he says he would help them though if one needed help cause everyone should help each other out ... he also says that foreigners changed umm how the food is made/ sold there and that he is forced to eat food he doesn't like because of that
he told me that when he was a kid, foreigners formed some bullying groups and that they were dangerous
don't remember if those groups were of turkish or arabs
@solemn bay please tell me i didn't offend the rules 😂 💔
solemn bay
Your friend isn't a representative of all Germans.
There are ignorant people like that in every country, but not everyone is like that.
mossy beacon
There are racists everywhere
But it is kind of an issue
Maybe I'm not boomer enough. Me and my friends, family, etc. are rather open
solemn bay
Realistically your friend is probably making a lot of what he says up, Blasmos. Stuff like being "forced to eat food he doesn't like" doesn't even really make sense.
opaque willow
Hi guys I am new here! I would like to find out about studying in Germany. My german is now only A1, so realistically I will not be able to enter a german language Bachelors by end of this year. I have looked up some 100% English bachelors and am most interested in Bsc agriculture science from Hochschule Rhine Waal. Does anyone know if it is a reliable solid program? is the uni good?
deep vessel
You'll find that for bachelors, most public universities are of relatively equal standard/quality
lunar garden
@opaque willow
Hochschule is more practical usage oriented though, and Universität is more theory oriented
just a heads up, as far as I know
opaque willow
@lunar garden yeah I heard that as well
@deep vessel so it doesn't matter which uni I go to?
Actually it is like this: I have an offer from Wageningen University in Holland to study in their English food tech/environmental science/animal science program, it seems more reputable but that is more expensive (15k tuition per sem for non eu students). Germany would be considerably cheaper but I would have to learn the language if I want to go to more "well known" unis eg Heidelberg, and they have minimal english bachelors or from unis that I have not heard of, so idk whether I should go study there
I know this forum is about german unis, but if anyone has knowledge about Netherland universities that would be very much appreciated as well :)
tame forum
@opaque willow depends on ur priorities. If u go netherlands u will end up shelling out money. If u go to germany u might have difficulties with the language. Only u urself can weigh the pros and cons in this matter.
However one tip. If the english programmes are in a private uni, dont go for them. But if its a public university with english programmes in Germany, u can consider looking into the quality of the quality of the education by
-
reading reviews online about the university
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trying to find alumini on LinkedIn and seeing where they r working rn. Or maybe even messaging them.
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finding subreddits on reddit. (Its a social media/forum type app. Where if you are lucky you will find ur uni subreddit)
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trying to ask Germans on Reddit by asking questions in the German subreddit about the uni
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Facebook groups/pages where people in ur target uni communicate
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atleast these are the only ways that occur to me. And about netherlands, the only thing ik is that all unis have fees. And that was enough for me to end my research on netherlands unis =(.
opaque willow
Dankeschön :) lots of detailed, good advice
opaque willow
yes The uni im looking at im Germany is a public uni, but very new (started in 2009). So far I have only seen a few posts abt it on Quora, not much else, that's why I do not have much confidence in deciding whether I should study there
lilac portal
Kachow
tame forum
@opaque willow oh and also. theres a difference between UNIVERSITY and HOCHSCHULE as sunset mentioned above. jus one thing to look out for
opaque willow
is it hochschule is more practical while uni is theory based?
olive summit
typically, better to look at certain programs
like in the US, unis have more departments are offer various different programs
jagged oasis
This Masters Application portal is asking me what the result of my Bachelors degree was: registered or passed, which do I choose?
lunar garden
uh... I did passed @jagged oasis
if you are talking about the same university as mine 😂
jagged oasis
Yep 😅 thanks
lunar garden
hey guys
is getting a job as a Werkstudent a lot easier compared to getting an entry level job?
I am planning to work during my masters to improve my skill, but my skill as of now is extremely basic
tight kelp
it wouldn't make much sense if it were harder, would it? :P
lunar garden
good point, guess I will just simply try it out 😛
cold aspen
I currently work as a Werkstudent. I got the job, because they wanted to employ me after I had a successful internship there, which I got offered from them after we met at a meeting, the university organised for student to get in contact with local companies. So I never officially applied to any job anywhere. So getting a Werkstundentenjob for me was pretty easy 😅
@lunar garden Probably heavily depends on the study subject though
lunar garden
im trying to do it for Computer Science though 🙂
cold aspen
I study Computer Science, so...
The job market, especially if you don't insist on working on the biggest companies, is really empty. Many small to middle sized companies are seeking professional software engineers, system administrators etc, especially good educated ones.
lunar garden
whaaat really?
can I even get a job somewhere in southern or western germany? 😮
I live right now somewhere in the central/east part of it, and they pay really bad here
(according to people, idk)
cold aspen
sure, master students in computer science won't have a problem with that.
(bad pay for computer science is still really good compared with plenty other fields, though)
lunar garden
by bad pay
I mean like 1k monthly though :/
compared to a few times more in Munich or somewhere else I heard
cold aspen
I don't even have a bachelors degree and get over 1k monthly, so I don't think that's the norm
foggy prism
over 1000k monthly
uhh
so your yearly salary is over 12 million?
tight kelp
the k is for style
opaque willow
Hi guys so I have decided to study in Germany after all. In Netherlands apparently you need Bsc + Masters to get a job, with only Bachelors your job prospects are dismal. I am planning to study Chemistry or Biology related courses, does anyone have insight on the job opportunities for these fields? Vielen Dank!
vague brook
does anyone have insight on the job opportunities for these fields?
doing a phd and getting paid for it?
rich nimbus
That's an option, but chemistry and biology can definitely help you land a job in the food industry for example
There are so many companies out there using chemical processes to manufacture their products, I would be surprised if none of them were hiring
deep vessel
you can check job websites to get a feel of what the market's currently like. but keep in mimd that hiring seasons (and thus when job ads are posted) are often realiant on the uni calendar for graduate roles
opaque willow
ooh
Danke!
@rich nimbus yeah my plan was to study Bsc in Germany then further to Masters in Netherlands (hopefully in scholarship)
opaque willow
@vague brook that sounds great but imho I don't really get the point or appeal of studying PhD. For me working experience is more important
warped atlas
@opaque willow pure science degree like biology or chemistry or physics would need a PhD to actually be on the radar to be hired on the selected fields
If it‘s something Engineering related, e.g. Biomedical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, you can „get away“ with a Master‘s degree, or even Bachelor‘s if I‘m not wrong
opaque willow
@warped atlas ah I see. Thanks for the info
slim fulcrum
@opaque willow that sounds like a very sensible plan
fair onyx
Is there a good site for English-German translation and German conjugation?
olive summit
linguee as a dictionary (both German-English, English-German) and vocabulix for verbs
the latter has every verb in all the various conjugations
opaque willow
@fair onyx idk if you have tried it before but I use Leo dictionary (as recommended by my German teacher) ans it has worked well so far
@slim fulcrum I really hope everything goes to plan. Crossing my fingers 🤞😬
slim fulcrum
Never heard of vocabulix. Growing up I used to use Bescherelle as a verb resource for French and I have been trying to find the German equivalent...
olive summit
i think its only for verbs, either way i highly recommend
fair talon
Not really anything of vital importance, just something I was in general curious about: Do permanent residents of Germany get to use that EU fast lane at the airport? (the part where theres a different lane for non-EU and EU people)
deep vessel
most likely not if you don't already hold a passport that lets you use those lanes. a definite not if you're travelling from outside the schengen area and don't have a biometric passport. You can always ask a guard at the airport but in my experience it's always been based on your passport, not any visas or such.
tight kelp
i'm not sure i know what you're talking about in airports but i suspect it's about schengen. That depends on EU citizenship so being a permanent resident of an eu country means nothing unless you're also a eu citizen (or of another schengen country)
deep vessel
WHen you fly outside of schengen you have to get your passport scanned/inspected. There are usually two queues - EU & EEA, and other.
warped atlas
@fair talon yes we do 🙂
I haven‘t used the e-gate so far, because I don‘t have an e-passport, but I always use the immigration booth for EU/EEA residents
showed them my Aufenthaltstitel with passport, and I just waltz on through
tame forum
@warped atlas afaik jake isnt a permanent resident. he was jus curious.
tame forum
then y did u use "we" lol?
warped atlas
Having an Aufenthaltstitel isn‘t the same as having a Permanent Residency (Niederlassungserlaubnis)
tame forum
oh yah i forgot. i confused them both my bad
fair talon
I have an Aufenthaltstitel, but I dont recall getting to do anything special at the airport with it 😅
tame forum
maybe people with aufenthaltstitel can use both either of the 2 lines
perhaps it doesnt matter which line u use.
try using the EU line next time and tell us how it goes.
deep vessel
Yeah. Worst case scenario you'll get a red x at the gate and just have to turn around and join the other queue. Best case you get to save on immigration time. There's no hurt in trying
warped atlas
You can skip the „All passports“ line, and go straight to the single EU resident line
Saves loads of time, Jake
If you have the e-passport you can go through the e-gate as well, I presume, but I haven‘t tried that yet, since mine isn‘t
solemn bay
You can also save time by just never leaving the house. You're welcome. 🤗
warped atlas
And yeah, worst case scenario you go to thw back of the line, and you learn something from it
🤣
deep vessel
What makes me curious is the signage says EU Passports so if non-citizen residents can go through that's not something actively advertised
If i may ask, what nation's passport do you normally travel on?
fair talon
I have an aufenthaltstitel, but the only "passport" I have is American, soooo that one I guess?.. 😅
slim fulcrum
If the signage says EU passports, they definitely do not want you to go into that line with an American passport...
fair talon
Thats what I figured. I was just curious if permanent residents got anything for that line.
deep vessel
i did some googling and from a couple of forum threads the law gives airports discretion to let people use other lines / rebalance the lines when crowded otherwise the EU gate is only for those with EU/EEA/Swiss Passports, and in Germany those who've completed a special german police check if you're from the USA, Hong Kong, or South Korea
how much the people stamping passports or managing the lines enforce that is down to the human error factor
warped atlas
This gate, you definitely can‘t, @fair talon
But in Frankfurt Airport, just next to this gate, there‘s the EU resident/citizen(?) counter
And that‘s the one I go to most of the time
Can‘t find a photo online I‘m afraid...
deep vessel
ah. i've never used the counter in frankfurt. only the gates
plush pasture
People using counters? Just remember the number in your head
hearty wadi
I just got a job in Wien! I’ll be teaching English there starting in mid September/October hopefully. Will probably have questions about aufenthaltstitel, housing etc soon bc all that was figured out for me last time
alpine dock
Congratz 😄
winter vigil
is their any major rules i need to know before learning your language
deep vessel
That is a very vague question. Do you mean like grammar rules or cultural rules or what? What exactly do you mean?
exotic barn
@winter vigil just avoid trying to translate things literally
tawny meteor
As it is the case with any language.
exotic barn
Yeah
And it does not mean that things can not get literally translated and make sense, but you just should not try speaking by means of literal translation
winter vigil
danke
fair talon
Just double checking what googling "verbraucht" means: Does this mean I have 395MB remaining, or 105MB?
I'm only asking cause I think its the first one, but thats a weird way to measure it 😅
foggy prism
it says that you’ve used up 105 of the 500
the graphic is very misleading though
oh I think the graphic shows what’s left in green
weird UI
fair talon
Yeah, thats the only reason I wanted to double check 😅
Freakin LidlConnect. They also have two entirely seperate websites for the service, and they dont tell you which one is for which...
lunar garden
hi people
I have a question regarding non EU-Citizen, is it really hard to get employed in Germany?
since EU citizen is prioritized by law and all
amber perch
I believe there's a new law that removes the prioritization for skilled workers
deep vessel
it's not so much getting employed, but rather getting the appropriate visa that's the constraint.
But if you're a nurse (with EU recognised credentials), a software engineer, or an engineer, and a few other professions and have at least your bachelors then both finding a job and getting the visa/blue card becomes a lot more likely
that at least is in terms of full time employment
deep vessel
but really it depends primarily on: the demand for workers for that industry within germany, your education level / level of specialised skills in your field.
Emigrating to a new country for work is never easy. But certain factors will make it much more achievable.
As far as I'm aware the most straightforward way for a foreigner to work in Germany is via an EU Bluecard, but that requires at least a Bachelors degree and a year long job contract with a minimum gross salary of 55.200,00 Euro per year.
There is also currently a freeze on low-qualified and unqualified migrants so that means that to get any kind of work permit in Germany right now you need either a professional qualification or a university degree. i.e. a high school diploma is not enough.
If you're a highly qualified specialist in your field, you don't need to pass the 'can any German or person with superseding work rights fill this position' test. Though I'm not sure how tough that test is in general to know how much of an affect it normally has on the process.
There's an FAQ on working visas here:
https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/faqs/DE/themen/migration/aufenthaltsrecht/aufenthaltsrecht-liste.html;jsessionid=74B3B9D8D1A2B5B7CA4B27F76AD0BCF4.2_cid373#f10004658
There's also more info on this entire site on the topic
https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/de/visum/arten/arbeiten-fachkraefte/
tame forum
yeah there was a new law recently which lifted that condition that u need to be compared to another Eu member.
and also i think the 55k euro is for doctors. IT professionals, engineers etc, have it at around 44k euros
and they adjust this amount for inflation every few years.
deep vessel
Es muss ein verbindliches Arbeitsplatzangebot oder ein Arbeitsvertrag mit einem Bruttojahresgehalt von mindestens 52.000 Euro (2018) vorliegen. In sogenannten Mangelberufen liegt die Gehaltsuntergrenze bei nur 40.560 Euro (2018), z. B. für Ärzte und Ingenieure. In diesen Fällen erfolgt eine Vergleichbarkeitsprüfung in Bezug auf die Arbeitsbedingungen wie Arbeitszeit und Gehalt durch die Bundesagentur für Arbeit.
other way around
doctors and such have a lower salary requirement
basically it's less stringent if germany is in desperate need of those professions, but also companies can't undercut you just because you're imported labour.
limpid oyster
I wanna both work and continue my bachelor in germany, should I find work first, and then try to finish my degree, or find a degree and then find a student job?
can I even get hired with a part time contract before coming to germany?
I was thinking of aiming for a full time job long enough to get a residency, and then continue my studies but that might be hard before finishing my bachelor degree
tight kelp
can I even get hired with a part time contract before coming to germany?
i doubt that'd work, though there's technically nothing against it provided you have the right to work here. I'd look for uni admission first and then think about a job later
deep vessel
there's currently an immigration freeze on unskilled and low skilled work too. so you might (read: most likely) will face issues trying to get a work visa without a completed uni degree or similarly advanced vocational qualifications.
lunar garden
what happens if you found a job that gives you less money than the required? considering I am planning to get entry level job since I have no experience at all
tight kelp
if you come from outside the EEA you need a locked account with a lot of money as a requirement to immigrate anyway
afaik
tame forum
10k euros to be exact
and the condition which brzrkr listed is for students. [since that isn't clear].
lunar garden
no I mean, the 40k euros/year salary thing
tame forum
oh i am not sure what happens then. i guess no blue card?
slim fulcrum
Ich habe gerade mein Feuerzeug kaputt gemacht, als ich versuchte habe, mein bier zu öffnen 😅
Das würde nie passieren in meinem alte Leben in Kanada
hidden briar
Bierkastenrand, Schlüssel, Tisch,.... (bitte nicht mit Zähnen)
slim fulcrum
Ich mach mein Bier normalerweise mit einem Tisch und meinem Hand auf... Aber mein Freund sagt ,,Thats Just Bad beer opening Form..."
fringe summit
Speaking of the blocked account
I showed a bank statement and the Consolate in my country waved the Block account requirement
So i recieved a Student visa without the account, which is a good thing, since i had to cancel and it would have been a hassle getting my money back
tropic edge
Btw if you had to cancel the blocked account, the procedure is pretty straight forward. It is however an extra step, therefore a hassle^ You'll just need to show proof that your visa process hasn't gone through or you've cancelled.
deep vessel
it depends on the worker you see for the blocked account if you're from a country where you don't apply for your visa until you're in germany. bring in your bank statements, but prepare in case you get a hardass who insists on the blocked account.
and if you do a blocked account through one of the online services like xpatrio, or even in general, don't use one of those currency intermediaries like revolut or transferwise to send the money, because if you cancel your blocked account the way they return the money doesn't play nice with the systems revolut and transferwise use, so you will spend about six months arguing over email trying to get your money back into your account. Either send the money to your blocked account via a real german bank (n26 for example is fine, or a more traditional one like Deutsche Bank), or your home country local account and swallow the transfer fees.
warped atlas
Do N26 offer blocked accounts for students? They didn‘t last time
deep vessel
nope. i mean what bank account you transfer the money from.
limpid oyster
the blocked account is currently my biggest hurdle 😓
hidden briar
Etwas verspätet, aber deutsche Ostertraditionen in #archived-media (Osterlamm-Kuchen und Osterbaum)
swift rose
Hey so, random question but I've read that borders with Belgium and Netherlands are still open without border checking, but then I'll read that travel for 'unimportant' reasons is blocked. Can someone clarify what that means exactly? It seems traveling in by car is allowed still to the North Rhine-Westphalia region? I'm just not sure how that works exactly.
void perch
Petri Heil!
frail burrow
Hallo! Ich nicht spreche groß Deutsch
warped atlas
Ohh Ryan‘s Gin is here...
@swift rose sorry, at best you have to ask the Germans on this, especially ones living in NRW. Best ask the #general and if not, go to the askeurope discord channel for a more general approach.
Otherwise, my guess is that travel for work is definitely still allowed between borders. Also the travel of goods. What‘s definitely not allowed is the travel for tourism as that‘s deemed non-essential
How they enforce and check it, I‘m not sure. Definitely by looking at the license plate at the start. I don‘t think there are border checks at all, yeah, but there‘re definitely Municipality Checks (meaning just before you enter the city) and that‘s the one where the police definitely can check you out
swift rose
Oh. Well I was told by a mod I should probably ask here lol
Municipality checks at cities huh? Well alright, I'll continue asking around to get more details. Thank you! @warped atlas
Any anyone knows more info please let me know :>
slim fulcrum
It's really best to ask an actual authority for the most recent information. The situation changes from day to day...
Tbh I want to go to the Netherlands, I'm running out of hagelslag and peanut butter 🥺
mossy turtle
minor pivot
Hey everyone. I'm an American, and I'm searching for employment in Germany as a Programmer. I've actually gotten a job offer for 3 months remote work until Corona Virus stuff is cleared up, and then moving there on a work Visa.
Can anybody help me understand the cost of living in Germany compared to the US? The remote-work offer is a massive low-ball from my perspective, and I'm trying to figure out what to do.
Its a 92.5 Gross/day. Would this be before, or after taxes?
swift rose
Can someone confirm if they're checking people when they enter cities?
deep vessel
@minor pivot Like the US, cost of living varies a lot depending on where you live. For reference, a student visa requires proof of a certain amount of funds in your bank account. This is usually a half-decent guide of absolute minimum cost of living, though for 2020 they just raised that by a couple of ground so now it's 10,236euro for 12 months.
Gross means before taxes.
Big things to consider include:
- Cost of rent (varies by location and type of accommodation e.g. WG, single apartment, house. I was paying 270 warm (all bills included in that price) a month for a 3er WG and that was considered an incredibly cheap and lucky find for my area (about 15mins out from the city centre of a small-medium city).
- Health insurance
- Groceries. I wasn't strict on my budgeting there but I think I averaged about 100euro a week on good quality products and groceries and mostly cooking at home.
- Transport, whether public or a car.
- The other normal stuff you'd budget for e.g. phone, internet subscriptions, eating out, etc.
Not including health insurance (my home institution covered that since I was on exchange), and relying on a pushbike and public transport, I could theoretically survive on 720euro a month. But on the other hand in my area there were apartments with rents that started at 700euro a month.
All I can say is do is look at government guidelines and do research into the specific area you plan to live in. There are also websites online like glassdoor (glassdoor.de) or take a look on linkedin to see what the average pay is like in your location and industry. Depending on how close yours is to par and/or how asshole the employer is you might be able to negotiate something better if the industry standard and your level of skills/experience warrants it.
minor pivot
@deep vessel thanks for the response! I really appreciate it.
Besides internships, this would be my first real job out of University. I figure taking the offer for remote work makes the most sense, and I can argue for higher salary once I'm moving there.
92.5 BEFORE taxes is phenomenally low though. I wonder whether I'm shooting myself in the foot by not fighting for higher wages now.
The virus just screwed everything up.
deep vessel
I'm not in IT but in my industry a lot of places want some kind of industry experience (such as internships) for entry level jobs. If you can afford to take the pay cut and you're only signing a contract for the remote work, it might not be the worst thing in the world since you can always look for other opportunities in the meantime and say no to their offer for local work after this clears up. But I am also an advocate for negotiating wages in general so if you're comfortable doing so that's what I'd go for.
minor pivot
It sucks, because the real motivation to work for them is the work visa on the other end.
But the low-ball on the salary kind of sours it for me
deep vessel
Note: IIRC there is a caveat in either the blue card or work visa laws in that they need to pay you the same as what they'd pay a local
so if they're undercutting you because you're a foreigner there could possibly be some legal trouble there
minor pivot
Which is what I'm counting on. I'm counting on a pay increase (I will fight for one) when they bring me local
deep vessel
but that would be a question for a lawyer
But if you're a uni grad, visa requirements have been lowered and there's a skill shortage so keep hunting for other jobs even if you sign a contract.
minor pivot
Yeah. I will. Thanks again 😁
Lots of places are rejecting me after second round interviews cause the virus screwed everything up.
Consulates are closed, travel is restricted
The fact this company is even doing remote work is huge, so it's another reason not to gripe too much.
deep vessel
Honestly, it looks like in some places borders may be closed til the end of this year at the very least so any immigration plans may have to be postponed for a good while
tight kelp
I think I averaged about 100euro a week on good quality products and groceries and mostly cooking at home.
for one person? Wow
i spend half to less than half than that for two people 👀
deep vessel
as i said, I didn't really track budget. All I know is after fixed expenses such as rent I had about 400 euro to last me the month. i didn't keep track of any unspent money at the end of the month. it just rolled over into emergencies and fun money
warped atlas
Half than that for two people?? Holy crap Berzi....
Wait, half than that is €50...and that‘s two people...nope, that sounds about right. I do that too.
tropic edge
for one person I can do 20 getting lots of sweets and junk food in the process
thats only with cooking, if I want to eat Döner or something twice a week it comes up by a bit
to maybe 30
exotic barn
@minor pivot Sounds like a difficult situation. In my first job as a developer I was paid ~£60 a day (before tax). I've been in IT for almost 10 years now and things will get a lot easier when you have some years experience under your belt. Then you can start to pick and choose your jobs a bit more, and obviously, earn a lot more.
I wasn't in a position to negotiate a higher starting salary. I had no experience and also no university education 😄 I just took what I was given. But things are a lot better for me now.
I guess my point is don't get too hung up on the salary for your first job as it won't be forever, as long as you can survive. Look at living in a WG instead of renting a whole place to yourself.
I've also discovered that companies don't underpay you for long if you make a bit of a fuss about it. If you're getting less than the market average for your role then they risk losing you.
alpine dock
How hard is to find students job as erasmus student ( in Stuttgart larger area ) for someone who has A2-B1 German language knowledge and B2-C1 English?
fleet pelican
depends on the job, low paid part time jobs are usually always available but theyre ofc, low paid and with a contract designed to give you as few benefits as possible
alpine dock
I will be looking for any, including low paid ones to stabalize my living costs. Of course, job in my field (accounting) would be much but I doubt it with my limited German skills
tame forum
Ich kann nicht für alle Unis sprechen, aber meine Uni beginnt am 20. April. Mit Online-Vorlesungen und höchstwahrscheinlich bleiben die Bibliotheke zu, um mögliche Kontakte mit anderen Menschen zu vermeiden. Immerhin hat Merkel die Frist der Corona Vorschriften bis 3. Mai verlängert, Es wurde mich nicht wundern, wenn die Bibliotheke davor zubleiben.
grand swan
@tame forum dir Uni beginnt aber nur mit Online Vorlesungen oder was meinst du
tame forum
Ja genau
tame forum
Nur online Vorlesungen. Die Uni Gebäude bleiben weiterhin zu.
exotic barn
Do Germans keep reef tanks?
exotic barn
People keep reef tanks?
Maybe some do but I have never met a German with one before personally
deep vessel
my guess is probably about as commonly as the average person
which is to say not unless they're really into fish
foggy prism
kA wie’s in D ist, aber meine Uni macht voraussichtlich erst im Herbst wieder auf
resp. im August für die Prüfungen
vivid vessel
question about uni
are classes for the entire semester?
e.g. if I started in march/april would the class not end until july
cause it says that there's a semester break for two months, but it doesn't end until september?
fleet pelican
classes usually go on until july with extra exams/retakes going into august/september sometimes
foggy prism
the way this is to be interpreted is that a semester consists of a period with classes + a period without classes. depending on your uni, exams could be anywhere within that semester - at mine they’re at the end of the class-free period but others have them right after classes or even throughout the class period
if you’ve enrolled for a semester, you’re still enrolled during the lecture free period and get to use uni facilities, but you won’t be attending lectures during that time
wide pivot
420
tame forum
weed number 😯
vivid vessel
isn't it the 18th?
grand swan
Hiiii! I just wanted to ask where can i get these trans leggings/thigh high socks?
I also want black leggings/thigh highs like this. Can i find them at C&A?
ancient stirrup
@fleet pelican Kannst du ihr vielleicht bei ihrem Problem helfen? Ich habe nicht so richtig die Auskunft darüber 😅
@grand swan I personnallu think you can purchase them at C&A, H&M and maybe in Rossmann ~ which isnt a plain clothing store
dim bridge
Sorry, I don't have the faintest idea, @ancient stirrup :
ancient stirrup
Ight.
fleet pelican
@grand swan AliExpress lol
olive summit
bruh what kinda question is that lmao
olive summit
probably not
astral jolt
Has anyone ever done foreign exchange in Germany? I'm really interested in doing a year somewhere in my senior year of high school if I can convince my mom, and I'm curious what school is like in Germany.
I would have asked the German foreign exchange students at my school but thats kind of hard now, since I dont have any of their numbers (ﾉ´∀｀*)
exotic barn
School here is pretty chill but some are really strict so u might need to look up the online thingy of the school and see if there are any complaints or strict rules like dress codes that are completely fine in other schools but in some you can get suspended (i personally think that its a bad rule and dress code and it should be removed)
U need to wake up every day at 6:00 btw (idk at what u stand up in other schools) but u wake up at 6:00 and be there at either 8:40 or 8:45 and then go in the school
So u don’t wait outside
grand swan
@olive summit I don't have a credit card to buy online and i am not familiar with the stores here so i had to ask
glass trench
@grand swan vielleicht kann @tropic arrow dir weiterhelfen
grand swan
Ohhh thanks
@ancient stirrup thank you! C&A is closed now though. I heard you could find some cheap ones in the DM markt
tight kelp
you don't need a credit card to buy online. A bank account is often enough
verbal linden
imagine school starting at 8:40 😔 mine starts at 7:35
verbal linden
verbal linden
shaking and crying ngl
foggy prism
universities are just nicer
wary wadi
Hallo! Kann jemand mir helfen? Ich würde gern zur Universität in Österreich gehen (ich wohne hier jetzt, aber ich habe mein Schulabschluss von den USA bekommt), und eine Voraussetzung ist das Folgende über dem SAT (eine Prüfung in Amerika für Universität): " In den beiden Teilen 'Math' und 'Evidence-Based Reading and Writing' müssen 1360 Punkte erreicht werden. Bei 1220 Punkten ist der Nachweis von ergänzenden Leistungen im Ausmaß eines Studienjahres erforderlich." Ich habe 1300 Punkte. Was bedeutet das? Kann ich nicht zur Universität gehen??
deep vessel
it means you meed to gather more evidence of academic achievement. you'll need to talk to the uni about what they take as evidence. i imagine things like high achool transcripts with good marks might count? but that's something you've got to talk to the uni about
though as far as i understand you can retake the SAT so if that's within your budget that might also be an option?
wary wadi
Yea I can retake it, but idk if I can do it from abroad
But thanks for your help! I was just confused about the “eines Studienjahres” part ... like it would take me a year to prove my academic achievement or no?
deep vessel
ausmaß is a size word not a duration word so i think just a year of achievement but i'm not 100% sure there
might even mean just doing a year at a studienkolleg. definitely talk to the uni about it though. above 1220 is definitely not a hard no
wary wadi
Oh maybe it does mean a studienkolleg ... good idea. I’m waiting to hear back from the Uni now. Thanks again for the help! 😃
vivid vessel
would anyone be able to review my German formatted resume?
it has some personal information so DM me if you are able to, which would be much appreciated
modest pasture
ya
vivid vessel
thank
tropic edge
Any idea how I would go about finding a WhatsApp group/discord server/ telegram chat with first semester students at my university? I'm confused to the max and have no idea what's going on lol
solemn bay
Is it a German uni?
tropic edge
Yup, TU Berlin
solemn bay
You could try asking in the subreddit or facebook page.
You can also try to look at pages for specific clubs and see if they have online portals where you can join and find other pages from there.
If there's any discussion boards for your subjects, you can also ask there.
hidden briar
ask the Fachschaft of your Studiengang
exotic barn
When is that supposed to take place though
Has it not been canceled yet due to the pandemic
tropic edge
I'll try to do that. It really takes some google fu to find such stuff tho, I've been trying for a bitt
celest umbra
I think most of that stuff originates from Facebook (because it is easy to find there?) So maybe have a look there too
tight kelp
if there's some sort of billboard at the uni that's probably the place to look/ask
solemn bay
It doesn't take any effort to find facebook and reddit stuff. I tested it before I made the post and it was very easy to find them.
Everything else will be somewhere like on the uni website or subject portal or whatever else.
exotic barn
i think i may go to the international univeristy in geneva and learn german better while im over there
well no one speaks german really in geneva
but i can take language coarses
exotic barn
hey
foggy prism
one option would always be to get a bachelor's at a good english speaking uni, then go to switzerland for a master's degree
amber perch
I heard that Switzerland is very hard to move to compared to Germany
because of the limit on residential permits given out each year
deep vessel
It looks like visa permits in swizterland are quite tough to get. :/ Germany on the other hand just laxed their minimum requirements for a work permit if you have at least a bachelors degree though. If you have an offer from a uni study permits usually aren't a problem to get either way.
foggy prism
it should not be problematic to move here if you get a place at a university
provided, of course, that you can finance yourself
amber perch
I guess it mainly about workers then
I was considering doing research in Switzerland as an option
patent matrix
@swift rose In my opinion prepare to not study abroad until at least a year
wet nebula
Hello! What are u thinking about studying in Vienna? Im from Serbia, so my country is not in EU. Sorry for bad English: I know i need A2 german and i have learned german for 4 years in primary school, but its to hard to speak.
deep vessel
depends on what you want to study. if it's a bachelor and is mostly taught in german you'll most likely need at least c1 german by the time you start classes
there are a few people who study in vienna on the server. with any luck they'll give their opinions
otherwise each uni's website will have their language requirements on them.
wet nebula
They say for medicine especially u need A2 to study, but u cant passes exam until u have C1.
wet nebula
"For the application of admission it is necessary to provide proof of German language skills at the Level A2."
wet nebula
Yes, but u can subject listening, but not exam passes i think
deep vessel
However a2 to c1 takes a long time
wet nebula
U have one semester to learn language
deep vessel
There's little value in sitting the subjects if you can't understand them
wet nebula
Exactly
That making no sense, but i have heard from people that when u went there is easier to learn
solemn bay
I would highly recommend not to apply until you're at least B2.
B2-C1 is a reasonable jump. A2-C1 is like asking for trouble.
You can usually spend a year doing prep study before starting the actual course. You might need to look into something like that.
Unless that's what the A2 recommendation is actually for.
exotic barn
Well if you are really good with languages ( motivation/dedication ) you can do it and it depends on the goal you want to achieve.
Otherwise you'll need some prep. like base said.
wet nebula
I have two years to learn to B1, beacuse im in second year in gymnaisum
exotic barn
That shouldn't be a problem then.
solemn bay
2 years is more than enough time to get to B1.
You should aim for B1 in 6 months from now.
solemn bay
Oh, I thought you're already A2.
If you're A1 then aim for B1 in 9 months. It's fine if you don't achieve it, but it's a better goal.
wet nebula
Thank u guys!
exotic barn
@foggy prism so you know of any unis that do english courses
foggy prism
not for bachelor courses
but it would definitely also depend on field
exotic barn
computer science most likely
yeah there is no real english courses
would it be hard to do a bachelors degree in german?
deep vessel
That depends on your german level. But most don't let start classes without at least C1 equivalent in german anyway if the course has any hefty amount of german
exotic barn
how long would it take to get to c1
deep vessel
where are you at now?
exotic barn
like my level in german?
deep vessel
yeah
exotic barn
i dont know my exact level but id say i understand like 30% of what i hear in a conversation depenidng on how fast they talk
maybe a1-a2
but im not a total beginner either i would say
deep vessel
yeah definitely somewhere in a at only 30%. i think you'd be looking at at least a year if you learn really quickly, maybe 1 and a half years if you dropped everything else and turned learning german into a fulltime job. Realistically you're probably looking at least a couple of years before you can not only pass for example TestDaf at 4444, but to also feel comfortable understanding lectures and and writing assignments.
exotic barn
i hope to start when im 18
and im 15 now
is that a relatively good time frame
i doubt realistically id be able to do a degree in german
doing a degree on its own is hard enough
deep vessel
If you're serious about your studies and put the time and effort required, I think it's achievable
What country are you doing your high school studies in?
exotic barn
ireland
deep vessel
northern or republic?
exotic barn
republic
deep vessel
as long as you perform well in high school and are committed to learning the language it's definitely doable. Freedom of movement will also make your life a lot easier than your typical international student. And if you're concerned about your german ability, many (maybe all) german universities usually offer preparation courses so you can spend like a year just learning german to prepare for uni. If you can achieve B2 by the end of high-school a prep course in germany imo is a really good option if finances aren't an issue. Otherwise what some people do is take a gap year or two working to earn money while still learning german. there's no strict requirement to go directly from high school into university, and many people wait a year or two before they do make the leap
exotic barn
doing a year in germany before uni definitely sounds do able
deep vessel
it'll also give you insight into life there - a 1 year commitment is a lot easier than a 3-4 year commitment if you do decide you don't like being away from home or you don't like germany as much as you imagined
exotic barn
very true i could just not like germany and already be a year or so into a degree
does austria offer english courses either?
deep vessel
No clue there, sorry.
deep vessel
if you're ever interested in studying in karlsruhe hmu too
deep vessel
bawü is a nice state. know as the sunniest state of germany or something like that
imo stuttgart was a lil dirty but I also only really saw the main station and the ride to the airport
exotic barn
what is karlsruhe like
deep vessel
very nice. everything is well connected by the trams, there's a huge park/garden at the centre of town and the cities not too big. The party nightlife isn't as big as other cities if that's your thing tho. and Bawü is the only state that charges more than a nominal fee for uni though
deep vessel
nvm the fee just seems to be for non EU-EEA peoples in Bawü and mine was all in german. if you're into engineering or IT the big uni there is really good for that apparently tho
exotic barn
im definitely going into IT i would say
i found a school in hamburg
a bachelors in information engineering
deep vessel
hamburg was very pretty when i visited
exotic barn
i know a guy from hamburg
deep vessel
rent might be a bit painful there but the city itself has a lot to offer
exotic barn
tbh rent in dublin is really bad
people charging 900 per month for you to rent their shed
not a joke either
deep vessel
oof
exotic barn
so anything is better
i dont live in dublin tho
true?
jesus didnt think it was that bad
tight kelp
fucking hell
foggy prism
975 for an apartment is considered expensive?
deep vessel
but also i should convert that into aud for sydney
foggy prism
this is not per room, right?
I may just live in the cheapest 3-room apartment in all of zürich and we pay 1400/mo
deep vessel
euro not franks i presume
deep vessel
that is not bad at all for a major city
tight kelp
switzerland as a whole is considered expensive so you shouldn't be surprised that your average is higher than the rest of the world's
deep vessel
for context in sydney i pay just over 300 aud a week - 1200 a month (700euro) for a single bedroom is a 6 bedroom apartment
foggy prism
here’s rent in Zürich according to numbeo
deep vessel
for a 3 bedroom apartment in the city quarter next to mine you're looking at 700aud a week for a 3 bedroom apartment so 1600 euro a month
foggy prism
my flat is like, significantly below that range
but it does fail to have a living room
and is generally just extremely small
(it’s outside the center in a relatively not-so-nice part of town but decently well connected)
amber perch
but swiss salaries should be much higher too right?
foggy prism
yes of course… but students have very little salary
my parents pay rent and insurance for me and I work part time, and I’m still losing money over-all
foggy prism
transportation is a pretty big one
cause I go back home to my family over the weeekdn
and use public transport daily
it amounts to barely being worth it to just buy a year-long general subscription, which is 2.5k
the part time job is only during the semester (TAing) so it’s like, 30% work but only during half the year
I make ≥4k per semester
deep vessel
is it pretty common to move away from home to study in switzerland?
foggy prism
in my peer group I’m the only one but I also live the furthest away from uni
it’s pretty common
I reckon if I lived in chur proper I wouldn’t have bothered
amber perch
is tuition expensive
foggy prism
but I live outside the town and getting from home to a major train station alone takes upward of 30 minutes (including waiting for the connecting train there)
so I had like a 2h commute each direction
it wasn’t sustainable for my mental health
my other friends commute somewhere between 1h and 1h30
is tuition expensive
it’s negligible
amber perch
ok
deep vessel
i know that feel for the commute
foggy prism
I don’t know the current numbers, they upped it last year or so
it was 650/semester when I started studying
hidden briar
Had a 1.5/2.5 (getting the once an hour bus or not) one way commute to work before I found a new flat, do not reccomend...
tame forum
Sascha you mentioned that you pay a significant sum for travelling. Does your fees not cover transportation with trains and buses for students in a certain area? Or does your family home simply lie outside this defined area?
foggy prism
I get a student discount
it's still bloody expensive with it
the uni doesn't pay for transport
on no scale, except that they do subsidize the bikesharing program
so it only cost 50/year instead of 50/month for unlimited ebike rental
tame forum
that's weird. the unis here in NRW give free transport in all of NRW and even the bicycles are free. for like 300 euros / sem.
foggy prism
well this is Zürich we're talking about
the issue is that public transport is actually for profit in switzerland
they provide free transport between the two campuses
that's it
tame forum
oh like UK
exotic barn
yeah isnt zurich the most expensive in the world
i've been looking around for colleges in the eu
finland seems like a good option
foggy prism
the UK is… significantly worse in that regard
the situation in switzerland is weird
there’s a national railway company (sbb) who handles like, transport across the country, plus various regional networks that connect villages up to the nearest towns. they generally work together so that e.g. you can buy all your tickets directly on the sbb website regardless of whose company’s trains you’re using and various subscriptions work unproblematically with multiple networks at the same time. sbb itself is like… state-owned but still for profit or sth
the UK is a mess
at least that’s been my experience when I was there for a short time
exotic barn
dublin is more expensive than i realised
i know geneva and zurich are the most
yeah dublin is more expensive than copenhagen
9th most expensive in europe
wet nebula
Hello! How much cost, i dont know how to say on english, we called in Serbia ,,Students houses"in Vienna? Or is cheaper to rent an apartment? Again, sorry for bad english 😄
glass trench
@sick imp ^
exotic barn
They’re called “dorms” or “flats” @wet nebula
I don’t like calling them “flats”, it sounds weird to me as an American but it’s still another way to say it
solemn bay
A flat and a dorm are two different things.
tight kelp
^ a flat is what americans call an apartment
amber perch
halls? hostel?
tight kelp
fair talon
Question: Hamburg's making masks mandatory for shopping starting next Monday. While some states in Germany have explicitly said scarves & other face covering would be acceptable, I can't find anything (at least in English) that tells me if Hamburg is the same. Anyone know more details on this?
tight kelp
afaik masks will be mandatory in the whole country
scarves do basically jack shit so there would be no point in them
tame forum
NRW here. Shawls are fine
tight kelp
where did you read that, if i may ask?
fair talon
Rhineland-Palatinate's State Premier said scarves were fine https://www.thelocal.de/20200423/face-masks-in-germany-what-are-the-requirements-and-fines-for-every-state
I just couldnt find specific details on Hamburg's requirements
tame forum
Ikkk
exotic barn
just wear contact lenses forehead
tight kelp
i'm afraid contact lenses on my forehead wouldn't help me see any better
exotic barn
put them into your eyes where they are supposed to go
tight kelp
spoken like a true non-glasses-wearer
exotic barn
glad you noticed
foggy prism
just have good eyes
exotic barn
give me yours
exotic barn
welche Fächer sind Pflicht beim Abitur?
tropic edge
So I am applying on my uni website
and they are asking me to use a name
dürfen keine Namen gewählt werden, die vergeben,
what does this mean ^^
exotic barn
You can’t choose any names that are already taken
guess it’s more literally like “assigned”, but that’s a synonym here anyway
@tropic edge
rotund current
jemand weiß, was mit TestDaF während der Quarantäne passieren wird?
exotic barn
Studiert oder hat jemand an der Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München schon mal studiert als Amerikaner? Hat jemand aus Amerika an sie gewechselt? Ich möchte einfach mal wissen, wie es dir/euch gefallen hat, dort zu studieren. Ich möchte an eine deutsche Uni wechseln, und wollte unbedingt insbesondere an eine in München wechseln!
foggy kindle
I'm curious, has there been any movement to create a gender-neutral pronoun in German-speaking countries? Here in the United States, some people use they/them pronouns, so I was wondering if there's a German equivalent.
vague brook
there is a gender-neutral pronoun but i doubt anyone outside of the community ever used it
foggy prism
...and you're not gonna tell us what it is?
I've askes about this several times and never gotten any satisfactory answer
tight kelp
because there isn't one. Whenever a term from a niche of society gets universally popular it's because of very specific reasons and because the term fits well into the language. Since the people making up these novelty pronouns either have no knowledge of how languages really work or no regard for the language they want to artificially augment, these terms are not making their way out of their community
solemn bay
I really don't think it's fair to imply that all the people using these terms either don't know about how languages work, don't have any regard for the language, or otherwise want to change the language. Some certainly may intend that, but others are also simply making it a personal change in their own life among friends, family or their relevant community.
tight kelp
I didn't say the people using the terms, I said those making them up. I think that's a fair assumption working off all the options I've come across so far (as an LGBT person myself, I should add).
Language works by mutual agreement. As long as the group is small, new terms or meanings can easily become successful, but if a change is hoped for society at large, making up stuff pseudo-randomly off arbitrary parameters isn't going to work. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see gender-neutral pronouns, but if anyone in the LGBT community is trying to make any of them surface, it's failing, and imo the reason lies in the approach (whereas some would, for example, blame society itself).
solemn bay
Yeah but I'm saying that if a person makes up a pronoun in order to provide an option for themselves or their community, that doesn't inherently imply any of the things you suggested.
And I think it's pretty unfair and presumptuous to say that it does imply those things. Just because any recently created pronoun hasn't been widely successful doesn't mean that the person who makes one doesn't know much about languages, or that they are disregarding the language is some way, or that they are trying to overall change the language.
Some are perhaps just doing their best to make themselves comfortable or provide people an option.
foggy prism
also, I may be misinterpreting you but you make it sound as if there was a better method
which I’d be curious to hear
tight kelp
you make it sound as if there was a better method
where did I give that impression?
foggy prism
Since the people making up these novelty pronouns either have no knowledge of how languages really work or no regard for the language they want to artificially augment
makes it sound to me like people who do know about language would be able to come up with a functional method
tight kelp
Just because any recently created pronoun hasn't been widely successful doesn't mean that the person who makes one doesn't know much about languages, or that they are disregarding the language is some way, or that they are trying to overall change the language.
IF they are trying to change the language, it's not working. That's literally all I'm saying here; don't put words in my mouth, there's enough in there as it is.
foggy prism
I’m not trying to put words into your mouth
I can’t hedge much more than what I already did
tight kelp
i quoted Base there, not you
solemn bay
I was just directly commenting on what you said exactly as it was said.
amber perch
language change takes time i guess
tight kelp
makes it sound to me like people who do know about language would be able to come up with a functional method
people who know how language works would. Or they would abstain from trying.
I think we're beating around the bush a bit too much here so unless there's a point you two are trying to make just make it clear, or else I'm ready to move on
foggy prism
I mean I still wanna know what is acutally being tried
I don’t really have a point to make here
tight kelp
stuff like ze/zir and other made up words that don't even respect the shape and sound of the language
maiden owl
Kann jemand mich etwas über den Uni Duisburg-Essen informieren?
exotic barn
welche Stadt ist teurer, Hamburg oder München?
München
Falls du Lebenskosten usw. meinst.
ok danke
dann gehe ich lieber nach Hamburg
tame forum
@maiden owl i studiere an dieser Uni. was willst du wissen
tame forum
ye okey
exotic barn
stell dir vor, Fiona als Kommilitonin zu haben
tame forum
ja ich will an einer Uni studieren. Shrek ist mir zu langweilig 😦
olive summit
Hamburg is underrated
hazy hare
wet nebula
Welcher Künstler sind populär in Deutschland?
dusty lava
@wet nebula depends on what your interested in but I think everyone knows people like
Helene Fischer
Rammstein
Mark Forster
Dieter Bohlen
Xavier Naidoo
Lena Landrut
exotic barn
"den "Test Deutsch als Fremdsprache" (TestDaF), sofern dieser in allen Testteilen mindestens mit der Niveaustufe 3 und im Mittel aller Testteile mit dem Wert 4 abgelegt wurde"
ok also den ersten Teil verstehe ich aber das hier verwirrt mich "und im Mittel aller Testteile mit dem Wert 4 abgelegt wurde"
was soll das bedeuten
dusty lava
The average of all test parts has to be ‘value 4’ but idk what value means in this context. You should know right?
exotic barn
yes
ok thanks, so the test has 4 parts, with a maximum of 5 points in each one
so I got that I had to have at least 3 in each part
but the last part was confusing me, I was considering it could mean what you said but I wasnt sure
ok so that means I can study in the TUHH 😳
dusty lava
The first part don’t says anything about ‘u have to get 3 points’ or did you mean smth else?
exotic barn
it says you have to have at least level 3 in all parts
dusty lava
Ye ok, alright than I got smth wrong nvm
exotic barn
np
wet nebula
@dusty lava Ich habe gedacht, was könnte man in dem Clubs hören?
Raf Camora oder Samra. Ist sie popular in Deutschland?
populär*
dusty lava
Naja also aktuell ist in Deutschland Deutsch-Rap recht populär besonders unter den Teenagern.
Wenn du da Namen wissen willst geh mal durch die deutschen YouTube Trends.
Da ist jedes dritte Video von einem Rapper.
Ich persönlich kenne nur wenige:
Sido
Kollegah
187
Raf Camora
Trettmann
sour zinc
Wer gzuz ?
distant canopy
kennt sie mike forster
pine egret
hi guys, do you need a "kranken karte" to see a doctor in austria?
slim phoenix
Kann jemand mir erklären was Abgasnormen sind und wo ich Informationen darüber finde? Ich will nach Deutschland fahren und habe keine Ahnung darüber.
ein Artikel oder was
hidden briar
start here https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abgasnorm
slim phoenix
read, still don't understand how it works @hidden briar
okay, let's say i have car that has Euro 3. is it good or bad or what should i do
nope, sorry i don't understand a thing. can someone explain it to me? voice channel/here/dm
ok, found it, nvm
fiery edge
Hi I have a question regarding moving in Germany.
I plan on moving to another city soon for an internship, and it'll be only for 4 months. I will move back to the old city when I'm done with it. Will I have to get myself registered at the Bürgeramt in the new city just for these 4 months?
wind yew
tight kelp
yes you will
pallid plume
Was ist neue hier?
verbal linden
@pallid plume wdym
pallid plume
Is that “what do you mean“?
verbal linden
yes
pallid plume
Isn't it straightforward?
Or would you have preferred I said something like: “was geht ab?“ oder “was ist los?“
All messen the same I guess.
*mean
verbal linden
I didn't understand what u meant lol
anyway this channel is for questions regarding dach countries so I assumed it was something like that 
pallid plume
What are Dach countries btw?
verbal linden
it stands for Germany, austria and switzerland, so countries where primarily german is spoken
fiery edge
@tight kelp i saw this online (dated october 2018) so idk if that has changed since then
cause i will be there less than 6 months
nvm i looked up the BMG and this was in it
tight kelp
til, honestly. Had never heard of this
olive summit
the Bürgeramt in my city is closed because of the virus I assume its the same everywhere else
could resume services solely online and through phone calls though
granite nebula
So what this is saying is that with a high school diploma and 2 years of college level study in my country (USA), I would get direct admission to a German university?
I understand the first dash section thing, but I don't understand the second one?
The last one is saying that I need half my credits which would be required for the bachelor's degree, but is that how the two Studienjahre are being defined or is two Studienjahre literally 2 years time?
Also, please correct me if I am interpreting some of this wrong.
Thanks.
solemn bay
You can find requirements explained in English with this link, if you prefer: https://www2.daad.de/deutschland/nach-deutschland/voraussetzungen/en/57293-database-on-admission-requirements/
And from what I can tell, it means you need 2 successful years and a total of 50% of your degree credits.
granite nebula
Thanks.
I took a look at that English one.
I don't understand what "respective progressive courses" are.
Sorry.
I literally have no clue.
solemn bay
I think it just means that you need 3 subjects (e.g. maths, physics, english) and for each one you need to have taken at least 3 classes for that subject.
granite nebula
Oh.
solemn bay
Like you can't just have 12 different subjects with only 1 class in each or something. It has to have some track/progression you've been working on.
solemn bay
No problem.
And remember, when in doubt, you can just contact a uni directly with your specific details and find a specific response about if your qualifications are suitable.
granite nebula
Thanks!
lunar garden
guys, can international student studies longer than the Regelstudienzeit?
or does it make 0 difference
tame forum
Nein, es ist nicht so. Zumindest in meiner Stadt. Man hat die Möglichkeit zu studieren, bis man will. Aber du musst den Ausländerbehörde beweisen, dass du ein verantwortlicher Student bist und du hast eine bestimmte Menge/Anzahl von Krediten in deinem Semester erworben. Sonst wird dein Studentvisum nicht verlängert und musst du wieder nach Hause fliegen. Aber naja, wenn man das Geld im Sparkonto hat und die nötige Krediten beweisen kann, dann kannst du ein Student in Deutschland bleiben.
@lunar garden
lunar garden
@tame forum was würde schon passieren wenn ich halt mal keine Prüfung dieses Semester nehmen? geht das auch noch irgendwie? weil ich mich noch für mein Deutsch konzentrieren muss und was noch ist dass meine Grundlage noch schlecht ist
tame forum
@lunar gardenich schlage einfach vor, an der Uni ein Semester später einzuschreiben. Aber ich vermute dein gewünschstes Fach wird nicht in den Nächsten Semester geboten . In diesem Fall wurde ich die Uni nach mehr Information um deine Lage fragen. Ich glaube es gibt bestimmt Leute, die sowas machen wollen und hat die Uni eine bestimmte Kurse, in der du dich einschreiben könntest
Für Sprachen-lernen meine ich
lunar garden
@tame forum geht das aber nicht weil ich schon eingeschrieben bin. Dann versuch ich mal nur in Deutsch zu konzentrieren :(
tight kelp
is there anyone here who takes or took Italian at school in Germany?
lunar garden
kann man ohne Studentaufenhaltstitel ein Praktikum durchführen?
deep vessel
am not sure how accurate this site is but apparently there's a training/internship visa?
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/germany-visa/training-internship-visa/
lunar garden
okay, I will try it, thank you!
tame forum
I have been trying to call the Rundfunkbeitrag office(?) For some time now and the recorder says:
"We cannot answer your call right now, please refer to your Kundenbetreung for further enquiries".
Well i looked up "Rundfunkbeitrag kundenbetreung" and google spit out the same number i was calling before.
Anyone have any such experiences with Rundfunkbeitrag/ ARD and how to navigate through this?
fair talon
Bit of a random question: Anyone know in Hamburg if DM is open now? I think it was closed before, but haven't checked since the quarentine stuff started getting eased...
tame forum
In my state (NRW) almost everythings open again i think. And DM was always open before too. Even during the quarantine. Its counted as an essential business.
lunar garden
same here in Thüringen
fair talon
Thanks 👍🏻