I don't mind paying a lot of taxes.
#archived-culture-study-visa
wooden wadi
It helps a lot of people
I want to move to Austria, and I imagine the governmental structure is very similar
fair talon
Would this be as a professor/faculty position? Or did you have something else in mind?
wooden wadi
Something else, honestly, I couldn't see myself doing lesson plans and things like that.
Maybe more of a, pfffff, what is that called? I can't think of it. have to googles
I'd probably be an Archivist
A Park Naturalist would be fun too
A Historian for a historical association or the government or an archivist for a museum or some kind of institution like that
I love old weapons like swords
So cool
humble bough
@tame forum this depends more on your frames than on your lenses afaik, unless you wanna get transition lenses or bifocals or smth else special. My glasses were ~90€ but I went to a slightly trendier-looking place since my insurance was reimbursing up to 80€, you can get cheaper stuff from something like mister spex for sure.
tame forum
I want ur insurance =(
I think TK is only allowing remibursing if numbers are above -6 or something
fair talon
@wooden wadi Being completely honest, it is usually very hard if not explicitly barred for non-citizens (in this case non-EU citizens) to get government jobs. So your best bets would likely be NGOs or Think Tanks if you want just pure historical research. But it would still be a very competitive field, especially applying from abroad
wooden wadi
How does one become an EU citizen?
fair talon
The first part is just speculation, I could be wrong, but I know that for most government positions, the US has a ban on non-citizens working for example.
(Government being federal*)
wooden wadi
If I took the steps to become an EU citizen, could I eventually become a government worker if I was given the opportunity?
I'm just speculating
Like, I would have been working for a long time at an institution
fair talon
Of course. Youd have the same rights as a native born citizen in that case (of whatever country you got citizenship in)
wooden wadi
Okay.
fair talon
In Austria specifically, you can apply after 10 years of continuous residence
To become a citizen*
wooden wadi
For citizenship there, or citizenship for the EU?
Do I have to apply for a work visa or something?
I live in the U.S., so I'm used to the immigration process being an absolutely DISGUSTANG abomination
fair talon
Citizenship in any EU country = EU citizenship (well Schengen area to be precise)
To stay in the country longer than 90 days (what we can do visa free as Americans), yes, you would need some kind of visa 😅
fair talon
Different countries will have different work visas. Austra's main one is the Red-White-Red card. Germany has its own as well.
There's also the EU Blue Card, which is EU-wide and for highly qualified workers (i.e. it has a required minimum work experience, education, and salary of whatever job you end up at)
wooden wadi
So, I should try for the Red,White, Red card and then maybe try for the EU Blue Card at some point?
heady crane
@wooden wadi I am living in austria, I would like to help you but I must admit that today I am a bit tired. Would you mind me answering tomorrow or on Sunday? Maybe I can give you some suggestions.
wooden wadi
Sure. Whenever works. I'm taking the ACT tomorrow morning, so I probably won't respond until significantly later in the day.
fair talon
@wooden wadi The EU Blue card lets you work in any EU country, the Austrian one lets you work in Austria. If you plan to work in Austria, there's not really to get the Blue Card later on if you already have the Austrian permit (you can always apply for it later on if you decide to move somewhere else in Europe)
It would be like getting a drivers license for a car, then later on getting a motorcycle license. If you want to have a choice of car or motorcycle, sure, but if youre just driving the car, the drivers license is fine.
warped atlas
@fair talon technically you only are able to work in the particular country you get the blue card ag. @wooden wadi
Meaning, if you hve the blue card in Germany, but then you get fired/quit, you have to go get another blue card from the other country if you get a job there
The experience is different if you have a permanent residency (just looked at the requirements, pros and cons today)
wooden wadi
How do I establish permanent residency?
Become a citizen and have a job for however many years?
fair talon
Temporary work permit -> permanent residency ->
Then if you reallllly want to, after a lot of consideration, citizenship. I say after a lot because youd have to renounce your US citizenship
wooden wadi
Does Austria allow dual or not?
fair talon
Only if you're born with it or have very good connections (a notable example being Arnold Schwarzenegger basically being given honorary dual citizenship later in his adult life 😅)
wooden wadi
I'll probably renounce U.S. Citizenship tbh
fair talon
Well, still a decision you're legally made to wait several years to make lol
So plenty of time to think about it regardless
warped atlas
@wooden wadi go look up Niederlassungserlaubnis, and there are a few Quora articles that explained it.
But long story short, you can apply for it if you have a German degree, you need to be employed for 24 months at the relevant job, and also a minimum language cert of B1.
If you don‘t have a degree but a Blue Card, it‘s 31 months. If you have none of those, I think it‘s 5 years....
edgy crest
Where did you even get that info on citizenship xD
fair talon
which one? my dual citizenship screenshot, or what rainforest said?
edgy crest
dual xD
fair talon
The Austrian Embassy's website 👀
https://www.austria.org/citizenship
wooden wadi
them eyes tho
wooden wadi
Wazowski? LMAO
fair talon
Its been a 15ish years since ive watched it, cut me some slack on a typo 😅
prime badger
weiß jemand in wien, wo ich ein handtuch für mein gesicht bekommen kann?
sullen robin
@sick imp @fleet pelican Könntet ihr Wiener dem Gentleman damit helfen?
fleet pelican
@prime badger also in Geschäften wie z.b. Leiner, Mömax, xxxlutz, Ikea schon
Hängt hauptsächlich davon ab, in welchem Bezirk du wohnst, welcher für dich am günstigsten wäre
prime badger
woah danke
@sullen robin i'ma young lady :) my username is just a play on matt damon
sullen robin
ah, es tut mir leid, ich habe das Wortspiel gar nicht bemerkt.
fleet pelican
Gerne
wintry tapir
Hi, I wrote my CV in English and I translated it by google to Deutsch, Is someone can translate or check? it has specefic words for construction building and Architechture.
exotic barn
so I have this absolute same visa and conditions with another exchange student, but commerzbank opened a bank acc for her but not for me
they told me my visa is not long enough(they end on the same day)
any locals have an idea?
tight kelp
did you apply on the same day?
exotic barn
around 10 days apart
lofty gorge
in english I see a bunch of people now writing out their pronouns in emails (particularly college staff workers). In a language like German where gender is super important with nouns like job positions, do pronoun usages change in regular conversation or talking about jobs for LGBT?
tight kelp
in that context, the second person is always Sie, so the problem only arises in the third person. As is periodically stated here quite frequently, German doesn't have non-binary pronouns, and as far as I've experienced, it's not usual to include one's preferred pronoun in emails, especially formal ones, but job postings do list (m/w/d); I don't know how non-binary people write their job applications though.
"pronoun usage" is way too ambiguous a term to know what you want to know exactly
lofty gorge
Like for example the disability resource center was big on inclusitivy so they would always have their listings. I think similar to social workers here. Or at least some of them.
Like in america you can refer to a single person as they, or xie apparently for non binary
I'm not too well versed in LGBT pronouns but I was curious as to how the german LGBT scene handled that
In the email it is.typically in the signature, it is not outright said in the email
tight kelp
so far i think the german lgbt scene is rather self-contained in that respect. I expect they adapt to the way the rest of society works
i'd love to hear an insider perspective on this stuff but nobody came out so far
i have a rather complex relationship with my own gender myself but i behave like a binary person
lofty gorge
Like this is an example of an email signature that you could find from people working at universities, social work/therapy, those sorts of places
So at the end of the email where they write contact info or their job title some people also choose to include their pronouns.
But yeah thanks for answering
Basically I've noticed a trend where if the job involves you having to be inclusive and accepting diversity, people are choosing to add it to their email signatures
foggy prism
tangentially, I recently thought about sth similar: in MtG, there’s a character called Ashiok, who is non-human and is consistently only referred to with the pronoun “they”. I had absolutely no idea how to refer to them in German, especially when it came to articles before the name (which, if you’re not aware, is a feature of most german varieties except for the standard). I then looked it up and official sources just used masculine pronouns everywhere
lofty gorge
MtG?
lofty gorge
Ohhh
foggy prism
basically, there’s no good solutions. I’ve read a post on reddit a long while ago about someone who preferred the pronoun ersie
literally just both slapped together
but they didn’t, as far as I’m aware, make any statement about preferred articles
lofty gorge
Kinda sounds cool ngl
solemn bay
How does that sound in German? Because in English, he-she kinda sounds rude.
lofty gorge
Yeah
foggy prism
it just sounds unexpected to me more than anything
like, it’d take a bit to get used to but it’s much better than some random invented word
lofty gorge
Yeah I didnt realize preferred pronouns were also a thing in germany
I mean still is inventer but not completely random like xie
Or at least I think that's random,
foggy prism
I mean they obviously are, men prefer er and women prefer sie so why should other people not prefer something either? ^^
it’s just that we don’t have the choice of they
I will say that either I live in a bubble or nonbinary people are very reserved here
lofty gorge
🤷♀️ that's what I wanted to know, how germans use the binary language they have to fit into LGBT
Interesting
Well I'm off to bed, night y'all
😴
foggy prism
yea I don’t really know either
tight kelp
it’s much better than some random invented word
on the other hand, many might argue that it would implicitly define non-binary identities on binary ones. Which already happens with the term "non-binary" itself i guess
foggy prism
I mean the idea of ersie came from a nonbinary person, not from me
tight kelp
that doesn't mean other non-binary people can't disagree :P One person is hardly representative of their whole category
foggy prism
that is also true
amber perch
Does "es" work as a non-binary pronoun or would it be too offensive
dry nacelle
Eh rather not
tight kelp
es is for objects. Would you refer to a person as "it"?
solemn bay
Well, to be fair, German doesn't inherently ascribe object status to "es" in the same way as English, so it makes sense to consider it (as a learner).
foggy prism
es definitely doesn’t work
humble bough
Well, to be fair, German doesn't inherently ascribe object status to "es" in the same way as English, so it makes sense to consider it (as a learner).
eh, I'm dubious of this. I've never heard someone use es for a person.
Even for something that would use das as its article
solemn bay
@humble bough That's kinda irrelevant to what I said though. I was just pointing out that it's a reasonable thing for a learner to ask, because assuming that English pronoun usage and German pronoun usage is the same is exactly what learners are taught not to do. Because they are not used the same. German pronoun usage is, for the most part, grammatical, and English pronoun usage is about personification/objectification.
humble bough
it's not irrelevant to what you said but thanks for ignoring what I mean
solemn bay
And in any older German literature, you will definitely see "es" used for people all the time. Avoiding "es" for people is a thing that people only do in the present day.
I mean, I'm sure there are people around today who still use "es" for "das" words. Even if it's not the norm.
humble bough
I mean, older German literature is actually irrelevant to how you use pronouns in day-to-day speech these days, and people do avoid es for people in present day speech, which is why I think saying "German doesn't ascribe object status to 'es'" is kinda dubious
German doesn't automatically ascribe personhood to er/sie the way English does he/she would be a better way of putting it, imo
solemn bay
I think it's true either way.
humble bough
I mean, the fact that Germans avoid "es" for people indicates it isn't
solemn bay
Like I said, it's irrelevant. Why it happens or how it came about or how you want to word it specifically doesn't matter. Pronoun usage between English and German is conceptualized differently and making assumptions about how they are used between the languages is not recommended.
humble bough
How is Germans avoiding "es" for people irrelevant when the topic at hand is literally whether it's appropriate to use "es" for a person? smh
That's not making assumptions about how they're used, that is describing how they're used
foggy prism
I wouldn’t necessarily consider es to be strictly outdated, that’s basically only the case for the specific situation of referring to Mädchen. With Kind for example you do use it
but like, at that point it is a pronoun referring to a noun, not a person, so to speak
I would never use es when referring to a named person
humble bough
the semantics of it definitely don't line up as much with animacy as the English "it", for sure
solemn bay
True. That's also what I was thinking about. I don't know the exact details of how German has developed, but I get the impression the shift to using er/sie for people is less to do with personification/objectification in the English sense, but more so a shift to conceptualizing people by their name/gender/whatever instead of what kind of word would describe them.
Like the same system but a shift in how the grammar is derived.
humble bough
I mean, it's not really grammatical in the same way if it's based on irl gender rather than grammatical gender tho
I see what you mean re: associating it with a relevant word, tho
solemn bay
Maybe, but the gender is associated with the person in a similar way, as though the person themselves or their name is a grammatical object with that gender. Like die Sarah, der John, etc.
humble bough
lexical gender, but not grammatical gender. Unless there are examples of acceptable mismatch between irl and grammatical gender re: names, but I've never heard of such a thing
it's important to separate lexical and grammatical gender, since they don't always match (a la Mädchen) and lots of languages have one without the other.
they both matter for pronoun use in German but use of gendered pronouns for named people is lexical gender from what I'm aware of, rather than grammatical like with ordinary nouns
solemn bay
Yes, exactly.
hidden briar
There are some cases where es is acceptable for humans (nää, wat isset denn? N Mädchen?; Oma wenn sie den Kinderwagen sieht)
proper thicket
Hi.
Do we have any German natives out there?
I'm coming for a concert show to Germany and planning a one week trip there. It'll be in multiple cities; Hamburg, Munich, Cologne, and Berlin. I wonder which would be more affordable, in terms of accommodation and basic food/consuming stuff.
Have any idea?
tight kelp
certainly not Munich
exotic barn
hi @proper thicket you should probably compare accomodation via some website like booking or airbnb, then add the costs of moving around the place (I can advise how it's like in Munich with public transportation), add the concert and flight tickets. I'd imagine food to be pretty much similarly priced.
fair talon
Yeah, comparing airbnbs/hotels would be the best way to tell, since that and transportation will most likely be the main things with any significant change in price
Resteraunts and grocery stores should be pretty identical I think when it comes to prices, given that theyre all major German cities
humble bough
are food prices really expected to be so similar just because they're all major cities in Germany? I'd expect those to also be higher in the cities with generally higher cost of living (though I haven't lived in more than one so that's more of an intuition)
even so, though, ig travel and lodging are gonna be the bulk of the cost anyway unless you're eating at really swanky places
fair talon
I mean, at fancy resteraunts it might vary a little. But a 1-2€ difference in menu price between cities for most food wont be nearly as impactful as the different costs of lodging
tight kelp
yeah i very much doubt the price for eating out would be the same
even just small fast-food shops like döner vary a lot. It goes from 3.5-4€ just within dortmund and the average gets to as much as 5€ once you go to düsseldorf, which is a similarly-sized but more "posh" city
ashen mirage
Guys is bachelor's in mathematics a good career in Germany?
Is it difficult to find a job if u major in maths?
fair talon
Well, depends on what you want to do with it. Applied mathematics has a few options for it, pure mathematics would usuallyneed a bit more education I think
Degrees depend on how you use them 👀
ashen mirage
@fair talon i want to easily find a field job in Germany during or after bachelor's. I heard that with a bachelor's in maths if i learn coding it might get me a job easily
tight kelp
if that's your endgoal why wouldn't you study computer sciences directly?
though if your goal is research i guess a maths degree would be more appropriate and you'd probably get to learn more relevant branches of programming than in CS
foggy prism
bachelor’s in mathematics basically has to be followed up by a masters, but you can go in a lot of directions that actually make money with it
e.g. go into finance, statistics, data analysis…
actuarial work pays well and is supposedly actually an interesting job
and if none of that sounds fun you can always try to shoot for academia or become a teacher, though idk how good of an option teaching is in Germany (it is a good option in Switzerland)
(like very good)
but ultimately, a bsc in math can’t really be considered a full education
you just can’t get deep enough into the subject in three years
tight kelp
teachers are in extremely high demand in germany at the moment
if the objective is a quick job, a maths degree is not a good pick either way. But given the option i'd pick that over a quick job
wicked ibex
ik that in the US (if that's where you're from), there aren't really any masters programs for mathematics, but you'd instead need to apply for a PhD program. So it'd be a pretty long and tough road
However that info is from my bf--he's the math grad school student lol
foggy prism
teachers are in extremely high demand in germany at the moment
but does it pay well?
just cause it’s high demand doesn’t mean it’s actually a good job, just means it’s easier to get a position
in switzerland, high school teacher can actually be considered a high-paying job
tight kelp
i don't have info on that tbh
but considering how aggressively the government is looking for teachers, it'd be stupid not to pay them well
foggy prism
I also don’t know what qualifications teachers need in Germany, in Switzerland you need a master’s degree plus a three semester teaching course to teach at Gymnasia
vague brook
but considering how aggressively the government is looking for teachers, it'd be stupid not to pay them well
They're also looking for the whole healthcare, doesnt mean anyone gets paid that well
life taught me, if its a government position and no one wants to do it, its shitty paid
tight kelp
I said it'd be stupid not to pay well, not that the government isn't stupid :')
warped atlas
🤔
Like when to buy the next prescription again, I‘d assume?
I don‘t use any regular medication, so can‘t be sure
fleet pelican
Hmm, that doesn't make sense to me since I refilled my meds yesterday
warped atlas
I‘d assume that happens a lot for Type 1 diabetics
hearty wadi
probably date you're allowed to refill a prescription
or not if you refilled yesterday lol
fleet pelican
I don't think that's it, it happened after a blood/urine test
celest umbra
Where was it written? We need context
It could either mean when you need to come back (like jmd einbestellen) but for this it sounds kinda weird and I would use a different word ( right now I don't know which though)
The other option would be what the rainforest said. The date when the medicine needs to be ordered (bestellt) again.
fleet pelican
It was said to me that I needed a wiederbestelldatum after a urineabgabe and a Blutabnahme and that I could come in tomorrow for it
celest umbra
fleet pelican
So bin ich auch
sick imp
See this is why you ask them immediately wtf that is. 😔 Call the health consultation number and ask them. 
tight kelp
you're not a C level if you don't pretend to undestand
alpine dock
If someone has experience in registering graduate study in German/Austria dm me
fleet pelican
@sick imp I DID SHE JUST TOLD ME TO GO ABD COME BACK TOMORROW 
sick imp
Wzf lol.
@alpine dock that's a very vague question and from experience those don't get many responses, if any. It's best to directly ask what you're interested about so that people immediately know whether they can help you or not.
Helpful info in this case would include previous education, your study interests, potentially any cities that you've already looked at and would like to hear more about and EU/non-EU citizenship. All of those can affect the answer and if people are unsure if they can help, they usually won't even try.
alpine dock
I'm currently in my last year of undergraduate study in Finance and accounting. I'm from Croatia so EU citizenship. In Austria, Graz is city I would prefer the most, other option like Salzburg and Vienna or any city is okay. As for Germany I had my eyes on Mainz and west Germany but if opportunity shows itself in other regions I wouldn't mind. Also I would need a scholarship since my mom can't afford it on her own. Graduate study must be in English, my German isn't good enough to pass it, I don't mind learningGerman no actually I enjoy learning it.
tight kelp
there are very few undergraduate courses in english
sick imp
Good thing he isn't looking for undergrad then.
alpine dock
My biggest question atm is can I do first semestar with erasmus and then continue to study or that isn't possible
tight kelp
oh i missed that sry
sick imp
Hm. Provided that the uni had an Erasmus program, you probably could, but that's something very specific that only chosen uni's student service will be able to answer reliably, I doubt many have had such an experience.
alpine dock
My uni has Erasmus program not sure how is it in Germany, guess i will have to email them
fair talon
Student services is usually a really good place for university specific questions 👀
Random question: So im moving out of my current place, flying back to the states for Christmas break, then flying back and moving in to a new place.
So the time between my abmeldung and my new anmeldung will be 4ish weeks.
Anyome know if this will cause any issues?
Im mostly worried about issues with my insurance/my residence permit
humble bough
wait, why are you abmeldung-ing?
I thought that was for if you were leaving Germany altogether, not just moving to a new apartment and then registering there
...at least, I never did any sort of abmeldung when my first lease here ran out, I just couch-surfed until I had a new place and re-registered with the new place
fair talon
Idk, my landlord said something about needing to get one? Havent actually looked into it yet to be honest...
humble bough
I've only seen references to doing an Abmeldung in the context of moving out of germany ('cause you need an Abmeldebestätigung to cancel running contracts and shit) but maybe one of the actual Germans has insight
fair talon
Idk, its a weird situation since I dont know if I can change addresses until I officially "move in" 😅
Plus, its my first time moving within Germany, so everything about it is new to me
humble bough
I mean, I moved out and then just did nothing until I had my new anmeldung appointment and everything seems to have been fine? but I've been an Untermieter both times so idk if that affects things
fair talon
Im renting a room from her, so I'm am Untermieter too I think ^^'
humble bough
according to all the resources I can find, you don't have to deregister your old address when moving within Germany. You note down your old address on the form when you register, so they'll automatically de-register you from your old place when you get your new anmeldung
this also jives with how I did it
but I'm not an expert so hopefully someone else can help
warped atlas
@fair talon you shouldn‘t have Abmelden in the first place...
When you register in the new city, you would get deregistered automatically
And „normally“ you are supposed to register in the city within two weeks after you officially moved in according to your contract
The insurance part is something I can‘t say much, unfortunately
fair talon
So im moving from one address to another within Hamburg, same city.
I know I need to do an Anmeldung when I move to the new place. My landlord was saying theres a document I need for leaving hers though
warped atlas
I‘d assume get a policy extension for travelling from a TK subsidiary
Can‘t remember the name, but they have it in the TK website somewhere
Hmm, the document for leaving part I have no idea, sorry
fair talon
I was going to stop by the AOK office tomorrow and ask about it just to be safe. Just confused what she could mean 😅
Then again, she could very well just be being an idiot like always
humble bough
you DEFINITELY don't need to abmelden within the same city
warped atlas
The insurance part, you can treat it like you‘re travelling
Yes you do... @humble bough
humble bough
...what are you talking about? you literally said the same thing above
warped atlas
You get your Aufenthaltstitel updated to
No. I meant more like:
You move from house A to house B
You don‘t need to SPECIFICALLY abmelden from house A at the Amt
warped atlas
But when you anmelden at the Amt at the next time
You do get deregistered at your previous one 🤣
humble bough
well yeah, but it's done automatically
warped atlas
I just meant a change of address
The context where you said
you DEFINITELY don't need to abmelden within the same city
Could be misinterpreted as, „you don‘t need to register at all when you move within the city“
humble bough
unless said person misreads abmelden as anmelden, I can't see how someone with basic reading comprehension would read it that way
tight kelp
what you do when you change address is ummeldung, and you definitley don't have to do ab- and anmeldung separately
but i don't know how it works for your situation since you'll be staying for some time outside of germany completely. You could ask your consulate/embassy or some other service for expats
fair talon
Okay, spoke with the landlord, she is insistent that its "ABmeldung" and that I need to do that seperately from the Anmeldung for my new place 😅 cant find any websites that back that up
I'll see tomorrow if the Hamburg Welcome Center can help me out with either taking care of this or clarifying it
tight kelp
i guess she suggests that because you're going to stay outside germany for a while, but yes, do verify
fair talon
Nope, she specifically said that it was needed to change addresses. But when I quoted hamburg.de, her response was "they dont know everything" 😅
So hopefully an official answer will be enough for her
(I'm not giving much weight to her claim because I dont trust the woman with a photo of Hitler in her restroom to be an expert on the law in Germany...)
tight kelp
whoa there
humble bough
I... wh... tf
fair talon
funny enough, shes not even German, shes born and raised Cameroonan 🤷♂️
or however you say that
heady crane
@fair talon sorry, I am late , I do not know how old you are but I assume you are no minor at all.
(this would make it more difficult)
Normally you have to do the "UM"meldung within 2 weeks or you have to pay a fee. So I would suggest, if you have all the neccessary documents, to go to the office now and not in the new year.
celest umbra
@fleet pelican weißt du mittlerweile was ein "Wiederbestelldatum" ist? I am curious
heady crane
@exotic barnkomedia I was absend, so just a question: where did you get the information about the "Wiederbestelldatum"?
Austria?
molten hearth
@fleet pelican
fleet pelican
Yes, und nein @celest umbra
fair talon
@heady crane Which office would that be? The same one that gave me the Anmeldung? (Thanks for the clarification!)
heady crane
@fair talon I would contact the office where you this and ask them for help, yes. Good luck!
exotic barn
so my friend will visit me in hildesheim, but when I check the train tickets they start from €12. I remember when I first moved in Germany I bought a ticket for around €6, is there like an einzelticket service or something I'm missing?
heady crane
@exotic barn when did you first move to Germany?
exotic barn
early october
warped atlas
Maybe you bought a kid‘s ticket by mistake?
@fair talon Ummeldung is the same office who does the Anmeldung. Just go to the Bürgeramt, and they‘d have some form somewhere ready for you usually (Stuttgart has that)
humble bough
In Berlin and Potsdam doing an ummeldung was identical to a normal anmeldung except you filled out a part of the form saying where the last place you were registered is
fair talon
@warped atlas Hamburg's Kundenzentrum website had me book an appointment for the Unmeldung (had to do one for my Anmeldung too when I did that), is that usual? Didnt see anything about forms
warped atlas
I have no idea if that‘s normal in Hamburg or not
In Mannheim and Stuttgart we didn‘t have that
fair talon
Guess I can just ask them when I go then 🤷
exotic barn
@warped atlas i think what i bought was "fahrradtageskarte", but im not sure
fair talon
So a ticket that lets you bring a bike on the train?
Those usually are a bit more than the normal ones.
exotic barn
i guess that was it, however the thing is they are still cheaper than the ones bahn app offers
bahn website says that you can buy the tageskarte from the app, but couldnt find any option to do so
i guess we'll just buy it from the machines at the stop
yeah, the website states somewhere that it is €5 for the fahrradtageskarte but cant book it; it doesnt make a difference anyways
i doubt there is anything cheaper than that to get from hannover flughafen to my home?
heady crane
@fair talon I can not tell you 100% but the larger cities seem to give appointments for "An-, Um- und Abmeldungen" because there are too many people wanting to do this on the same time.
fair talon
Ye, took care of it lol
They literally told me the exact same shit I had been telling my landlord ("You cant do Anmeldungs for moves in the future, the new anmeldung automatically removes the old one, etc...")
Now I just wait to see if she decides to be an ass with the Kaution or not 😅
west sequoia
Hoi. I am from Azerbaijan and in our country the education is till 11 th grade. I want to become a programmer. I want to study my uni in Germany but in English. I want to study in a free german University but i dont know what i should do so please help me with detials in my dms.
hidden briar
98% of bachelor level courses are in german and most of the ones in english are on expensive private universities
see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/wiki/studying for more info
exotic barn
It’s worth a time investment of a year to learn German
A year of semi intensive study would get you advanced B2 so good enough to pass TestDaF
C1 may need more time. I will find out end of March!
tight kelp
in any case you will most likely have to do Anerkennung for your education to see if it's enough to enter german unis. It's possible you'll need Studienkolleg either way
tropic edge
Anabin has that information for you^
exotic barn
I am currently a 18 year-old high school student currently preparing for my graduation next year in June 2020.
I moved into the US last year in November 2018, residing in Washington State.
I was born and raised near Mainz, Germany and I really loved Germany although at some point during my lifespan I wanted to meet my father here in the states because I haven't seen him in years. (My parents are split)
Both parenting skills from my mother's side and father's side are different. While my mom currently living in Europe doesn't have a lot of income and is living with 3 children as of right now, not being able to manage all of us at the same time, my dad has more income and offers me more opportunities as for college and further education.
He's a retired military veteran, suffering from PTSD and major depression but yet he's able to stand strong and ever since I met him he really seems to feel content.
And then it hit me, I started feeling homesick. It took me a while to meet friends and people I can trust because here in the states, my dad seems to be rather pessimistic and not show a lot of trust to strangers. I can only stay outside for a certain length of time and he's rather strict. I love his structure, but at the same time hate it. But I do love him as a parent, because he seems to care about my future. Now after I told him that I'm planning on moving back to my hometown he thinks that I'll return to my old ways.
See, the german life is rather different. You get to live a "party life" early on, it's easy for you to get caught up in a bad environment and therefore not progress. As for here in the states, he emphasizes the fact that you have much more chances opportunity-wise, and he isn't wrong about that. But yet, the states in my opinion is big. I do feel safe here underneath my dad's rooftop but yet I'm really missing home. So I explained to him that I'm willing to take that what he teaches me here and lectures me here back home and correct what I messed up in the past.
I'm willing to educate myself more and support my mom, while at the same time find a way to finance my own little spot to live in and visit a "Fachschule" or technical college. Of course my dad seems to give me his support, but he doubts that I will actually stick to my new plan although I'm really motivated in getting myself on the right track.
I will be returning home with my high school diploma, an estimated GPA of about 2.6 or hopefully a little higher. I haven't done quite good on the SAT's in high school because state tests were a little harsh for me to complete. Nevertheless, I really hope I can get somewhere.
I just really want to know what opportunities I can take in Germany to make my living better. I'm trying not to get caught up with bad influences, and I'm willing to make something out of myself so that both of my parents can be proud of me. Do you have any good advice I could take for living in Germany? Any recommendations you could give me or things I could tell my dad to not have him worried about me flying back? I really love my dad for him wanting me to step up and visit a US College, but I just figured that perhaps flying back home and continuing there with a new mindset will be a good decision to make. The fact that my dad keeps saying that by doing so I'm just throwing away all my chances makes me feel like I'm not making the right decision and it's just really stressful for me. Like I said, I'm trying my best over here in the states because, yes, my german lifestyle wasn't all too the best. I feel like I needed this father figure in my life to lead me on track. I just want to come back and do better, my best friend's willing to support me as well. I want to take all chances and make the right decisions. I know this is a long post, but I'd really appreciate your feedback a lot. Like a lot.
Thank you so much!
I know, very long text! I'm sorry for this, but consider reading it if you do have the time on your hands. I'd appreciate your feedback.
patent matrix
I read it
exotic barn
Thank you good sir!
olive ember
Does "Graduate nurses (Dipl. Krankenpfleger,-schwestern)" mean that someone has a Bachelor's or beyond a bachelor's (i.e. Masters or doctorate)?
foggy prism
I read it too but I don’t really have anything to say except that you seem more introspective than most, so I think you’ll be fine when it comes to “ending up in the wrong crowd” or what not
don’t let peer pressure get you, make sure you keep a good focus on your education
humble bough
dude if you have a 2.6 GPA unless your dad is rich af and paying all your expenses, do not go to a US university if you speak German well enough for a German uni to be an option
as for getting caught up in the wrong crowd, I don't think that's any harder at a university in the US than it would be at a german uni (tho admittedly I was never a bachelor's student here)
the idea that you have SO much more opportunities in the US seems a little weird to me but maybe I'm biased
tight kelp
it's a generally widespread idea in europe, though it's mostly because of the media
honestly from where i stand, the usa would be among the last places i'd want to go if i had to turn my life upside down (again) in search of opportunities
humble bough
like, I'm in a field where there are a ton of really well-paid opportunities in the US, but there's no lack of opportunity in Germany either
pay is usually lower but so is cost of living and also worker protections are WAY better
it's a bit of a biased sample selection but I think the fact that my fellow Americans studying in Germany are willing to forgo $300K starting salaries in silicon valley for 50K€ salaries in Berlin does say something
but again, I'm a bit biased
humble bough
oh lmao I know bruh
pseudo hull
I didn't really much traction in general. Wondering if anybody has an idea of where I can look next.
I'm trying to verify if a German city actually existed by the name I have, or if it could be a misprint of another city. All the information I have is Schoemrich, Germany. I've done a few searches, looked through town names, but I don't see anything mentioning this as ever being a town. I get it's more of a history question and not really a language question, but are there other search engines or ancestry websites in Germany that may help me figure out what this reference is?
fair talon
Could possibly try looking up Schömrich (oe is the way to type ö if the letter is not available)
pseudo hull
Good point. I did try both with and without umlauts, but I didn't see anything. I know the time frame is right before the German Empire would have formed, so it's possible the city was renamed or merged prior to formation of the first unified German state.
fair talon
If you know the general area, historical maps of the region would be a good place to check 👀
Had to do something similar for my bachelors thesis (finding a small town in Northern Afghanistan)
pseudo hull
I don't have an area of Germany to narrow down to, but I could look at historical maps of the preceding kingdoms individually and see if any of them have a town of that name.
I'll give that a shot, thanks!
fair talon
Well, what context does the name show up in? (Im assuming you got it from somewhere). If theres people or events linked to it, you can search those as well for more information
For mine for example, there was an officer from there, so knowing his faction alignment let me narrow it down from Northern to North-Eastern
pseudo hull
For me, it's a supposed birthplace of an ancestor. I know the supposed parents, and some of the descendants. No other details from their life.
Without doxing myself, the context is effectively "So and so was born of <MOM> and <DAD> on <DATE> in <PLACE>."
warped atlas
@pseudo hull I love a good a detective work on this...but my google-fu failed me on this Schönrich thing...
I found a current town of Lengerich in NRW.
And I found a professor called Gerhard Schönrich who was a professor in Dresden, but has since moved to NYC to take over a new department there.
My guess is, if his ancestor never moved around much, your town is somewhere in the east side of Germany
pseudo hull
I think it's a fair guess that he never moved around much. I like the train of thought about a last name; that never occurred to me. I'll check out eastern Germany as a starting point. Thank you!
pseudo hull
I came across a map someone put together with a list of German cities from 1905, but it didn't have this city on it: https://i.redd.it/a5s2078moy331.png
I also came across a second map that should be right before this ancestor was born, but it wasn't there either. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Norddeutscher_Bund.png
My guess is that either this town was so obscure that it was never/rarely recorded, or the town was misspelled, mis-transcribed, or mis-remembered. I'm getting a hard copy of the research it's based on shortly, so hopefully it has clarifications. I appreciate the help, even if it's not the most interesting question.
hidden briar
Do you have the original handwritten text or only a transcript? Original would help to check other interpretations
pale saddle
the first map seems to only count towns with more than 25k people
white citrus
exotic barn
@olive ember has nothing beyond bachelors
olive ember
So a bachelors of science in that field?
exotic barn
yes
olive ember
Thank you! 👌 😁
warped atlas
@pseudo hull yeah, a Canadian friend of mine went with his family to a home of his Ancestors in Germany about 2 years ago which explains his last name a lot, even though his family is like „red-neck“ Canadian (his words, not mine)
tight kelp
guys d'ya think i'll find supermarkets open today? :>
exotic barn
I don’t think mince pies are a thing in Germany or are they? What would be the equivalent for a warm dessert?
tame forum
warm icecream
warped atlas
I‘ve never done this before....but if I wanna travel with my bicycle on the Deutsche Bahn, do I have to buy the Fahrradkarte AND an Einzelticket? Or is a Fahrradkarte enough for both?
I can‘t seem to find the info on Bahn.de for an example, except for the Quer-Durch-Land Ticket
tight kelp
depends on the company running your part of the bahn. With VRR you need a zusatzticket in addition to your regular ticket
hearty wadi
^
I would inquire at the station. DB has different agreements with different cities/regions.
fleet pelican
senk yew für travelleeng, wiz deutsche bahn!
vague brook
Just go full ik sprek Ken diitsch
Although I'm pretty sure you need an additional ticket in rlp for a bicycle
And some of those companies even forbid taking a bicycle with you on workdays before like 8 or 9 am
fair talon
^I know Hamburg does the rush hour restriction
hearty wadi
YES HECKE
best song
"Im Namen der Deutschen Bahn bergrüße ich alle zugestiegenen Fahrgäste hier im ICE nach Hamburg-Altona."
amber perch
is Jena an ok city to live in
fleet pelican
@jagged oasis
jagged oasis
@hecke hallo meine Butterschnecke
Ich werde gleich antworten
@amber perch
Bin auf dem Heimweg
jagged oasis
@amber perch Yes Jena is great, I just moved there recently to a smaller village outside the city, anything you want to know specifically?
amber perch
how is the public transportation there and what are some fun things to do there
craggy iron
Hello german friends, I’m moving to Heidelberg for a few month in March and I was wondering if you had a good flatsharing website for foreigners / English speakers ?
fleet pelican
wggesucht if you don't already know
craggy iron
Wow that website is awesome!! Thank you
craggy iron
So now I have the website to get my flat. How do things usually go in Germany for wg? You get in touch, setup an appointment to meet the other tenants and check the flat and they come back to you a few days later to validate?
How long does the process usually takes
I saw most wg on wggesucht were looking for people to settle in in just a few days (01/01/2020)
exotic barn
Any one here go to uni in germany ( or europe) ich habe fragen
chilly fulcrum
I go to uni in France, so that would be Europe I guess ? 👀
exotic barn
@chilly fulcrum
ok that works!
So here is mine situation
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dont speak french but could become quite good in 5- 7 months (before uni starts) like i mean practice 1.5 hours a day vocal and writing.
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major in political science
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no freinds or famiy in france, just one in western germany
I was thinking of going to colleg in france. But i wanted to get yout view of it.
Is the education good?
Do i need french? ( it seems there are very few bacehlor in english)
I dont know how accurate this is but i read on reddit that french public uni are a bit disorganized and have lote of beauracracy
dire wagon
Was ist deine frage? Ich kenne viele Leute, die in deutschland studeieren.
exotic barn
@dire wagon
Yea kind of the same questions
I was interested in univeeristy of konstanz or heidlburg, but it seems most bschelor programs are in german
Would it be worth going to a lower rank or idk "prestige" univeristy to take a course in english?
I would really like to study in Germany, becasue i am assuming they have a more historical approach to political economy due to the frankfurt school
chilly fulcrum
afaik, you'd need to know a little French if you were to come to France, but you would do alright without a super-high level
bachelor is 5 years after high school, correct ?
chilly fulcrum
I am not so far into university yet, so I can't really tell. Also, I'm a native, so I don't have the issue of knowing the language or not
exotic barn
I see.
What would you say is the quality of the education so far? Like are classes big, or is it more personall teaching with a small group
chilly fulcrum
If you are above bachelor, then the level is quite elitist if I may say
Until Master 1, which comes on the 4th year after high-school, the amount of people is quite low and the level gets real good
exotic barn
Would you say the schools are disorganized? ( take time to respond, dont help too much with students, dont awnser emails etc.)
chilly fulcrum
That depends on the school and the staff
dire wagon
You may have to have sufficient grades for certain courses, or prove language proficiency. No essays or anything though to register for classes. I would recommend enrolling in a language school for a few weeks prior to your start of university @exotic barn
exotic barn
@dire wagon
Oh okay,
See this is my main issue with the german schools
On the "languages" section on the website they usually say you need to know a little german
But i dont know if this meand you need B2 langauge certifation (even for english courses)
Or if they are just reccomending you know german
And what is the Arbitur? Is that like a high school diploma
chilly fulcrum
Abitur is the finals for high school in Germany
exotic barn
ohhh okay i see hmm
dire wagon
Theres a thing called an HZB. Hochschulzugangsberechtigung. It is like a foreign school-leaving certificate/high school diploma along with a university entrance exam and/or a certificate of studies completed abroad, at a non-German school.
exotic barn
Is that a a reaquirement for all schools?
Or just like if your diploma dosent directly equal the arbitur
fair talon
An abitur equals an abitur. Pretty much everything else needs to prove equality
Depending on where youre coming from, this will require more schooling or less schooling than other places
Coming from the US for example, I believe most abitur assessments say its High School + some college credit at minimum (so someone with just high school would need to attend a Studienkolleg to make up the difference)
exotic barn
Yea thats what i was afraid of. Just becasue i didnt take AP calculus!!!
@fair talon @dire wagon @chilly fulcrum
Thank you all♡♡
fair talon
@exotic barn I'm guessing youre from the US then?
exotic barn
yea
fair talon
https://www2.daad.de/deutschland/nach-deutschland/voraussetzungen/en/57293-daad-database-on-admission-requirements/
DAAD has a pretty good self-test questionaire about if your existing schooling is sufficient. (DAAD is just a great resource in general. So much good tools on there)
exotic barn
Thank you jake
deep vessel
@craggy iron i'm not in heidelberg but within the region, but I found those wg sites pretty unresponsive when it came to answers. I had better luck with local facebook groups. if you put wg heidelberg into facebook there are a bunch of different groups. the posts are typically in german but if they're young they'll more than likely speak some english. no idea what your german level is but just in case: you're looking for words like zur Miete or Biete.
lunar garden
guys question
if you have got a degree from a double degree(or a joint degree) program, does it count as a 2nd bachelor if you still want to start a bachelor here in germany?
craggy iron
@deep vessel thanks, I will create a fb account to checkout those groups (i dont speak german sadly)
exotic barn
@dire wagon
Sorry to bother again.
Are the points for study in europe transferable?The ECTS i mean? Like i can go to amsterdam then germany and they accept the ECTS credit
deep vessel
not the person pinged, but at the very least where I study at germany specifically gives me ECTS credits
ECTS specifically has the word Credit Transfer in it so I presume if they're for a similar enough course they probably would be
exotic barn
@deep vessel
Thank you!
dire wagon
@exotic barn sorry it took me so long to get back to you. in theory, yes. in application, no. you have to enroll in a course programme at a university, and they’ll have specific requirements what classes you need to take for a specific degree, and that varies so much from uni to uni (and country of course) that it’s basically impossible to get many credits transferred. that’s why they have to sign extensive agreements when they go abroad, detailing what classes we take there and what credits we get for them.
example: when my friend was beginning studying maths, her own university didn’t accept her linear algebra she credit that she got while studying physics (at the same university) because that was algebra for physicists and not algebra for mathematicians.
exotic barn
No dont apologise. You have been so helpful.
Thank you.
I was considering going to uni in amsterdam the switching to a German school becasue it is much cheaper. With this info ill be more careful
Again, thank you so much
exotic barn
Ok so i know that you need like 10k euro in your bank account to study in germany, does that increase every year? if so, how much? sorry for the stupid question
@exotic barn
Are you asking me
everyone that can help
exotic barn
@exotic barn
From what i read there arent a lot of masters requirments. I think you need to have proof of fiance and place to stay if you study anywhere
wide moat
Hello! I'm seriously considering moving to Germany for 2 months and I'm trying to find where I want to live. I'd preferably like to live somewhere with out a strong dialect (so not Bayern) where I could work and build up my language skills. I've been recommended Hannover and the surrounding area by a friend. Does anyone else have any other suggestions on nice cities to move to?
fair talon
@exotic barn it doesnt increase every year. It was 8600ish for several years before now, they just have to occasionally update to match inflation.
fleet pelican
Vienna
tame forum
Question: when i am sending someone a post in germany, do i have to write my own address on the envelope too?
For now i am using this video on how to write the adress of the reciever
Do i need to add a poscard or stamp or something?. (Sending post from frankfurt to duisburg)
fair talon
A post being just a card/papers?
tame forum
Actually a pair of glasses. But yah its gonna be in an envelope @fair talon
fair talon
Honestly, id just write the return address in the top left, the destination address in center-center right, and take it to a DHL post office 😅 theyll weigh it and charge you whatever the price is for that kind of shipment.
Thats what I do for international posts anyhow
tame forum
I am going to use this service from dhl to send my päkchen
Ahh okauy
And also one another question @fair talon
Should one go to 'paketshop', 'postfililale', or a 'paketstation'?
To give the package?
fair talon
I believe the filiale (maybe also the post office?). Someone correct me if im wrong, but i think the rest are mostly intended for picking up packages and buying stamps (basically mini shops)
I always just go to the filiale
tame forum
Yes i think that too.
Still would be nice if someone else confirmed too.
Offtopic : why do german post offficedt sell stamps, when one doesnt need them to send the post lol
fair talon
Well, I know for sure the filiale can. Just not sure if the others can too
tame forum
Ahhh okayy
humble bough
Postfiliale near me is where I mail my letters
foggy prism
Offtopic : why do german post offficedt sell stamps, when one doesnt need them to send the post lol
because people like them
and like (unless germany is a very different place) they’re still an option
tight kelp
wait, you don't need stamps to send post?
deep vessel
not traditional stamps, but you still have to pay to send mail
i dunno if it counted as a tiny parcel or a thicc letter, but I had to send a packet of documents a few months ago and it was more like a little scanny code thing
tight kelp
so far i've only bought stamps and tossed the letters in the thing
yeah packages work with those, i know
deep vessel
i think i paid for a maxibrief but i'm not sure if that counts as a package
checking it and that's up to 1kg so nvm it would have been smaller than that
it looked kinda like that but without the picture
foggy prism
looks like the same system as switzerland - if you just hand over the letter at the counter they slap one of those on but you can but stamps on it yourself (and e.g. throw it into an outgoing mailbox)
(which I assume are a thing in germany too? like, mailboxes by the post service throughout the city where you can throw in a letter and they collect and send them once a day)
tight kelp
oh ok then there's nothing new to me after all
i had misinterpreted "you don't need stamps" for "you can just toss the mail in the box"
exotic gorge
I used stamps for letters when I was in Germany. It was more convenient since the mailbox was closer to my apartment than all the shops.
tight kelp
yeah it's better that way. Though I always forget to buy stamps in advance
also last time i had to send something i was out of regular glue and i used super-glue lol
and only then i remembered that you can just lick them
grand swan
Guys weird question but
I am at a mall and need to buy panties. Which store normally has those at the cheapest price?
deep vessel
not a guy but something like primark might have bulk packs especially if you're not going for sexy underwear
humble bough
I got a handful of cheap stuff at C&A but depends on your standards
grand swan
Found something! Yay
deep vessel
pics or it didn't happen
craggy iron
I'm looking for a wg in Heidelberg and on most offers there is a "Deposit fee"
e.g. Deposit: 1000€
Is it a fee that I get back at the end of the lease ?
deep vessel
Yes, unless you damage the flat. then repairs get taken out of that
lunar garden
holy moly
deep vessel
if the german word is Kaution, that is
lunar garden
1000 euros for deposit
deep vessel
that could be 2 months rent which isn't the worst
tight kelp
yes, though any expenses for example to repair stuff you broke is deducted from it. It's common practice, though i recommend looking through the place with the owner and annotating every single thing you find that may conceivably be imputed to you
lunar garden
500 euros per month for rent? O.o
tight kelp
so that they can't pull a fast one on you and claim you caused damage that you didn't cause
lunar garden
how do you even survive on your 780 euros block account
tight kelp
and yes up to 3 months rent is normal
deep vessel
780 is the minimum
there's nothing stopping someone from having more money than that
deep vessel
or subletting a room
fair talon
You can have a kaution even for a room rental though
fair talon
Mine have mostly been two months rent, I know some people who paid three though
deep vessel
the roommate i sublet from is lazy af though so i fear some serious ass kicking will need to happen
fair talon
Dumbest thing with the kaution is how long they have to give it back >.>
Like 6 months if I remember right?
deep vessel
it depends
from 3-12 months but only if assessing damage is difficult
if the place is pristine it's supposed to be returned earlier
fair talon
If I recall, it was the legal maximum. Ideally, it should be sooner than that 😅
Its the last thing I need to deal with from that awful woman >.>
craggy iron
I'm looking for a 5month rent
airbnb is too expensive
No answers from wg gesucht so far...
fleet pelican
Keep trucking, it takes a while usually
craggy iron
Worst case scenario i'll take a airbnb for one month while looking for a wg
but yeah :c
fleet pelican
I did the same, except it was a hostel lmao
don't give up though, the place you want will turn up eventually
craggy iron
How long did it took to find a wg ?
fair talon
Depends on the city. In Hamburg, took me about 1.5-2ish months both times
craggy iron
I see
deep vessel
luck plays a huge component
fair talon
Plus response time
Basically almost all the affordable stuff gets flooded with messages within the first hour.
My current landlord posted in one student Facebook group of about 1200 or so, and got 60 messages in the first 40 minutes.
Luckily, I went to the same uni as him 👀
limpid oyster
how's the software dev jobs in germoney 
craggy iron
I'm doing a software engineering internship in germany
tight kelp
there is a general shortage of devs, so if you have experience or are willing to study, work is not hard to find
sand lotus
Hey possibly difficult question. I am writing a paper and part of it deals with racism. In English there are accepted and not accepted words for groups of people, eg Native American vs. Redskin. When speaking in German about blacks what is the general word used for such? As in how would you say, for example, "The Civil Rights Movement goal was to obtain Blacks equality with Whites." I ask this in here as it essentially deals with the Alltagssprache of such a topic, I think.
vague brook
die schwarze Bevölkerung seems to be in use
or just "die Schwarze"
thats what wikipedia states
but you know, nowadays everyone gets offended, so someone may probably find it offensive xd
i'd say something like "Das Ziel der Bürgerrechtsbewegung war es, die Gleichberechtigung und Gleichstellung zwischen der schwarzen und weißen Bevölkerung durchzusetzen"
prime badger
are vorwiegend festkochende Kartoffeln/Erdäpfel okay for making skillet potatoes? or does one strictly use festkochende
pale saddle
I can only speak personally, but schwarz and weiß, especially when used as adjectives, are a-okay for me
I don't really see any Term that is more appropriate
Some people use Schwarzafrikaner but I think that's stupid because not every black person is african
foggy prism
I think no matter what you do someone will be offended because everyone has different ideas of what is appropriate
in like, every direction. I didn’t learn that the n-word was inappropriate until I was 10 or so, no one had told me and I had still seen it in books
twas a very weird lesson for 10yo me
cause I had never even considered such a word could be offensive, as I’d never seen racism
I’ve come to the conclusion taht “dunkelhäutig” is a relatively safe bet but like, idfk
it’s also ridiculously broad tho
tight kelp
Schwarz is a normal word in German
we need not apply the same rules of political correctness to one language as in others. The USA are a weird place
foggy prism
idk I’ve grown to find it a bit iffy. most of the time I hear it with slight racist undertones
pale saddle
I find dunkelhäutig weird, not racist but just weird
foggy prism
it’s too broad to be useful most of the time I think
like it could describe indians, arabs, sub-saharan africans, many south americans
foggy prism
I would say that neither weiss nor dunkelhäutig describes east asians
so not quite
I’ll usually just say the person’s ethnicity, e.g. “african” (yes I’m aware that’s extremely broad and somewhat misleading but it usually gets the point across), “chinese”, “tamil” or whatever.
sand lotus
Thanks all for your responses. It's been helpful for figuring out what is the best for my paper
foggy prism
this has some issues too ofc cause there are dark-skinned people who grew up here and see themselves as swiss and then that wouldn’t always be appropriate
but e.g. there’s a sizable tamil minority where I live and they’re always referred to as tamils, even those who were born here
and I’ve never met one who minded that
tight kelp
@foggy prism any term could and would become racist under those circumstances, because racist people emphasise that something is (in their view) connected with skin colour, and thus use the term where other people would not. That doesn't make the term racist in itself - that only happens if the meaning of the word or its history is racist, as with the n word or many outdated words for nationalities or (supposed) ethnicities in English
foggy prism
I’m well-aware, but I don’t really hear the term in other contexts
it’s primarily used in racist contexts, which gives it that connotation, you know?
at least that is my experience
if I associate a word with racist statements, then I’d like to stay away from using it
tight kelp
So, black isn't racist and in my opinion we shouldn't allow racists to perverse the language by acknowledging their habits and changing ours by contrast
Most of the time you don't need a term for that at all, but if you're writing up on sociology you need to have one, and it mustn't be ridiculous just so we can kindly leave the normal one to the racists
foggy prism
oh, sure, I wouldn’t avoid using it at all in academic writing
seems perfectly reasonable there
it’s everyday stuff where it feels more iffy
to a point also because there aren’t really that many situations where mentioning someone’s ethnicity is relevant - I think the only situation where I do so is when someone asks me who the just named person is
e.g. I have a half-chinese friend and if someone asks me who Fabian is I’ll usually describe him as chinese cause that narrows it down a lot
tight kelp
there aren’t really that many situations where mentioning someone’s ethnicity is relevant
yes that's my point
fickle sparrow
Would 2 weeks be enough time to visit Germany?
I am going to Germany this summer, and panning on going for two weeks.
I want to see as much of Germany as possible, but I am not sure if two weeks is enough.
icy mist
you could probably spend years just going around cities in any country exploring
but 2 weeks should be okay i think
i spent two weeks just in seattle once exploring the city
solemn bay
I personally think 2 weeks is not enough.
For going to another country, I would generally say 2 months is a better time.
But if you only have 2 weeks, then so be it.
fair talon
A week is usually what I give myself for a large city 👀 2 weeks is a bit rushed for a country
Keep in mind, youre subtracting a good half day to a day of travel for every place you need to move to and check in to where youre staying.
solemn bay
Yeah, I agree. 1 week per large region/city is pretty good.
Maybe in two weeks you can fit in 3 or 4, so maybe think about which places you really want to see.
fair talon
As tempting as it may be to pack as much in as possible, its good to leave a bit of 'wiggle room' in your schedule to explore more, account for delays or interruptions, and to recover if a day is particularly draining 😅
warped atlas
4 days a city is what I‘d calculate for travel, but then again, it could also be 2 days too many, if it were a boring city without anything to see without paying a lot of stuff....(e.g entry tickets for museums)
I sincerely got bored after 2 days in Dresden, and had to stay there for 4 days
The only good things in my mind that happened, was the visit to Sächsische Schweiz (that I wish I had visited even more), and a Couchsurfing Meetup
serene kraken
hat hier jemand erfahrungen mit ALG 2/Hartz 4 gemacht?
exotic barn
ne
wide moat
Hello sirs,
It’s official- I’m moving to Germany for 2.5 months
Any suggestions on what city I should move to?
fair talon
Well, depends what ya want to do?
pale saddle
As someone from the East, I suggest you go somewhere west
foggy prism
as someone from the south (ish, I guess I overshoot that description a bit) I suggest the south
deep vessel
was just in hamburg earlier today
was very pretty. though budget and preferemce of big or small city are important factors
wide moat
@fair talon I just need a nice area to hang out in where I can study for a certification I’m aiming for as well as a place without a heavy dialect so I can learn hochdeutsch well
I have a budget of around $4,500 which should be plenty
fickle sparrow
Part of the issue with me only having two weeks
Is this is kind of a thing for me to see where I would want to go in the future.
I am hoping to go to university in germany
And part of this is to get a feel for the regions
fair talon
@wide moat Not a German (I just live there), but this map might help you out. It charts dialect difference/similarity to Standard German, with Red being most similar, and Blue being further away. Keep in mind though that in the city, its most likely going to lean towards Hochdeutsch regardless, since as far as I understand thats the most broadly understandable
tight kelp
as someone from the south (ish, I guess I overshoot that description a bit) I suggest the south
don't overestimate the size of people's wallets
that map doesn't convince me at all
tight kelp
everything is a meme if you put it that way but no, standard german is mostly taken from what was the hannover dialect at the time. The map is wrong or based on misleading stuff
foggy prism
just looked at the article, they don’t say at all how similarity was determined
which is always concerning
tight kelp
also, it's a something.wordpress.com site
i could set one of those up claiming that icecream is cheese in little more than a minute
limpid oyster
@craggy iron are you not german?
craggy iron
I’m French ahah
craggy iron
As in programming?
limpid oyster
ye
craggy iron
Mostly saas development, preferred technologies Angular and Node.js
limpid oyster
ah
I'm currently doing a tech bootcamp in Tunisia, then I plan to go back to libya to continue studying german
got some software dev jobs lined up to get some experience and save up for going to Germany
craggy iron
If you’re interested / motivated it shouldn’t be too hard
limpid oyster
I plan to finish my uni studies in Germany
and I'll need a part time job to finance my plans
craggy iron
You can be a working student in Germany I believe
craggy iron
If it works the same as in France, your employer pays your studies and you have a salary
craggy iron
My school is 10k per year
limpid oyster
some are actually free, others you pay a little semester contribution
craggy iron
Paid by my employer
craggy iron
France
limpid oyster
ah
uni im looking at has like 200€ semester contributions
400€ a year or something
warped atlas
Company „may“ pay for living expenses, if you become a working student at their side
There are also sponsorships (free of charge, meaning literally free money, without owing them anything except applying for it) like what Beere mentioned, though from where I was, it was €1000 a year
If you study at a Duale Hochschule, employer pays you for going to school part time, and working for them as well. Kinda like 3 months studying then 3 months working, and it kept that way until the end. Good way to get experience
But I can‘t remember hearing Duale Hochschule with Software Development as part of their curriculum
craggy iron
The school system in France is amazing
If you work for a few years and want to study again, you are even eligible to get unemployment benefits (like 60% of you previous salary)
For 2 years while you study
So you’re paid while you study
warped atlas
😱
tame forum
guys is it possible to transfer the money for ur second and third year blocked account in advance. like now itself?
fair talon
Might be a better question for the service itself. Sounds like something that would depend.
tropic edge
Has anyone applied for a zulassungsbeschränkter Studiengang at TUB this summer?
tame forum
If theres a TU berlin subreddit, u shud try asking there. U will deff. Find someone there.
@tropic edge
tropic edge
Thank you soooo much!! @tame forum I forgot completely to look there.
slim phoenix
vielen dank 😉
slim phoenix
is there a legit ranking of all unis in Germany where i can check which one is the best
fleet pelican
there isn't really a point to such a list, what actually would be more valuable is looking at the subject faculty of what you want to study in that uni and how much what you want to study is funded, what they offer for students of your subject, what research they have in that topic currently and what they focus on will tell you best @slim phoenix
otherwise they're pretty much the same
people might tell you TUM, berlin, bonn might be the best but honestly varies widely on the topic
there are smaller, lesser known unis that contribute fantastic research in their individual fields, and looking at a rankings list means you may skip that over for a uni that may excel in other areas than your area of study, and be higher on the list for those reasons
tame forum
@slim phoenix if ur still interested in a ranking. Look up "CHE rankings"
Atleast that's the only good one
foggy prism
rankings are pretty irrelevant for students, they only matter for once you go into research
rankings don’t particularly care about there being good teachers and stuff like that
tame forum
@foggy prism i agree with ur first point. But not too much with your second, i think the CHE rankings take teaching into account too. (Basically the ranking is about tuff that relates more to students).
deep vessel
I think the point is that the quality of undergraduate education in germany is pretty similar across most institutions. That is to say, employers normally don't care where you studied. So it's better to consider factors more important to you such as location, and extra curricular activities the uni offers
exotic barn
it's not that irrelevant how you think. you are right about that some don't care ..... but some do especially regarding research/special knowledge not every uni offers the same. Some proffs/dr. and their publications/methods(example) are well known in some business , so it does make sense in some cases to check some numbers. of course personal situation/location and so on matters. some cities in germany are way more expensive when it comes to a flat or a room in a wg.
humble bough
you aren't going to get a sense of how good a uni's professors/methods/etc. in your field from "some numbers", you have to actually do critical thinking and research this yourself. No ranking is going to be able to fully express the nuances of different programs, and even if it could, people don't generally put together field-specific rankings for undergraduates, so what rankings you'll find will be generic overall-rankings that probably will not be accurate to the specific qualities you're looking for in a program
I chose which schools to look into and later apply to for my master's by asking my professor (German and in the relevant field of study) for some suggestions, and then I did further research from there
exotic barn
i know but ignoring numbers .... relax... i mean just don't go in the world with an attitude like " i don't give a f what profs are working there "
humble bough
don't talk down to me, I'm perfectly relaxed
exotic barn
nah sorry i am ok :)
humble bough
what I'm saying is that there isn't a good way to quantify how good the profs in a program are or how much research opportunity there is and other relevant factors, so you need to look into this yourself because it's a qualitative judgment
exotic barn
i agree with what you have wrote above... critical thinking is a keyword what i meant ...
You can verify how good some profs are ... depends on the business.... like i said some techniques/methods/publications are only posted by a few profs .... like let me say it like that 100/100 math. profs are good... but if it comes to a special case...1 or 2 or 3 are above the others when it comes to some special knowledge/research.... i think it's just not healthy to ignore some basic rankings and no one should base his/her decision on that.
humble bough
I'm not aware of any such hierarchical ranking of professors/researchers in any of the fields I'm interacted with
unless you were to artificially construct one with like number of citations or something, but that'd be flawed imo
exotic barn
SW-Development,HW-Development there are just some really well known profs... i don't mean the ranking 100%...just inform yourself before you go to a uni for a bachelor/master/dr. because in some cases you can specialize very early :)
sorry btw. if i offended above it was not on purpose
humble bough
no big
patent matrix
Liechtenstein
copper geyser
Lebt jemand hier in Aachen?
foggy prism
don’t go to austria kids (and forget to turn off roaming on your phone)
deep vessel
better solution dom't go to switzerland
exotic barn
your contract is wrong i guess
deep vessel
eu no roaming or bust
exotic barn
Schweiz is wunderbar.
exotic barn
you know that you can get a contract like "all-inclusive" incl. those exceptions like schweiz and einige inseln
foggy prism
I only need switzerland 99% of the time
foggy prism
and if I ever leave the country for a prolonged time and need internet I buy some data ahead of time for like 5 bucks
the problem here was that last time I went abroad I didn’t turn roaming back off when I came home
and then on friday I went across the border for literally 20 minutes
to get a package
exotic barn
You live in switzerland ?
foggy prism
why do you think my phone bill is in swiss francs
exotic barn
@foggy prism
exotic barn
Idk if you can get this in switzerland.... but some offer contracts ..which are expensive/month
foggy prism
gonna call the provider tomorrow and see if anything can be done
exotic barn
but you don't have to worry about "roaming" and so on
foggy prism
yea but why would I want that
it’s not financially sensible
to pay more in order to pay less-but-not-as-much-less-as-I-pay-more
exotic barn
i assumend it happens mor eoften :)
foggy prism
as said, if I actually go abroad for a time where I need internet, I can cover that for like 5-10 bucks
this was an accident
cause I didn’t even consider that roaming could kick in within line of sight of the border
exotic barn
Schweizer Franken was wrong btw?
foggy prism
what?
foggy prism
do you know what CHF stands for
warped atlas
@foggy prism TIL that Swiss doesn‘t get the Free-Use-Policy that the rest of us in EU has....
Sorry Sascha 😦
humble bough
even some non-EU, my policy includes Norway but explicitly not Switzerland
round grove
If there's anyone here that lives in Germany, could you message me? I want to get my boyfriend something for Valentine's Day but need somone local to direct me where to get it. I want to get him one of those Edible Arrangements with fruit, etc. Is there anything like this that delivers to the Sankt Augustin area?
Something like so:
placid minnow
hallo
I'm traveling to Germany soon. It will be the first time I've ever left the country (USA). I will be staying with my girlfriend (a native German) in Halle, and I will take a short trip to Berlin at some point during my visit.
Anyone have any tips for traveling? Anything I should know about entering the country as an American?
thanks in advance
foggy prism
plan out sleep patterns a few days ahead of time
fair talon
Quick tips I can think of off the top of my head:
-You will need adapters to plug your stuff into the wall. The best way to do this imo is to get a surge protector and an adapter for it (maybe buy a German-style USB wall adapter for phone charging)
-On the note of power, some stuff is okay (mainly lights, laptops, phone chargers), but even with adaptors, the German outlets give a different voltage that will break things like hair dryers and electric blankets (lots of smoke, not fun 😅)
foggy prism
you’re gonna have jetlag, but you can adjust to the new sleep times ahead of travel
(depends on when your flight is tho)
(you probably want to sleep on the plane)
fair talon
I usually try to work it out so I sleep at local time the first night
foggy prism
yea same
fair talon
Sometimes means some 30 hour days, but it makes the jet lag pass a lot quicker if you dont let it affect your schedule
-Gum or having something to drink helps a lot with the pain of air pressure change in your ears during landing and takeoff
Yawning also helps
You have to get rid of >3oz liquids in your bag, but if you bring an empty bottle, you can fill it up once youre past security 👀
-If you want to bring back souveniers, pack light. My family would always pack clothes that we never wore, so that if we ran out of space, we could leave them behind instead of leaving souveniers 👀
warped atlas
Pro Tip: Try to have your breakfast, lunch and dinner according to the destination timezone about from 1-2 days before arrival
Bring a good book, don‘t bring medication from US, unless you have the doctor‘s prescription (this is something I read every now and then)
Oh, and noise cancelling headphones for the flight
fair talon
I mean, I specifically bring medication from the US 😅
A lot of the shits stronger and not prescription compared to Germany
exotic gorge
Pain medication like ibuprofen (Advil) or acetaminophen is a good idea to bring. It's hard to get pain meds in Germany, so it's good to have at least a travel bottle for sore feet or light aches and pains.
deep vessel
your gf will hopefully sort you out there but day tickets tageskarte are good if you want to do a lot of exploring. and a lot of the touristy spots in berlin are well connected to public transport.
for the flight, any liquids or aerosols over 3oz need to go in yoir checked luggage (get to the airport a few hours beforehand to hand your luggage over and navigate both the airport and security). In your hand luggage/cabin bag the sum of all of your <3oz bottles can't exceed 33oz.
If you're bringing a laptop, it's better to have them in hand luggage to avoid damage. but keep it near the top so you can easily take it out to get scanned seperately when you go through security.
If you're gonna be there for more than a couple weeks i'd also recommend throwing a pack or two of cough medicine with pseudoephedrine into yoir bag if you prefer the strong stuff. At least where I live they default to herbal stuff if you ask for cough&cold medicine at the apotheke. And that stay imo tastes especially vile.
warped atlas
@fair talon as a dude not from the US, I find it extremely unsettling how medication is viewed in the US in comparison with my home country....and I think also here in Germany. 🤔
But I’ve read horror stories of bringing in medication and you’re treated like a drug dealer at the airport 😅 hence why, bring your prescription
solemn bay
Painkillers I can understand, but cough medicine? Is that really a big thing in the US?
Oh nevermind, it's sunset that mentioned that.
warped atlas
How is it downunder, base?
solemn bay
Well, sunset is from here, so that's why I was like "oh" 
But idk, I can't imagine worrying about cough medicine if I'm overseas.
Unless you mean lozenges.
deep vessel
i mentioned specifically if more than a couple weeks. i dunno about you but when i have shit to do and get sick, strong cold medicine is the only thing that clears the brain fog enough for me to be functional
and travelling is stresssful, and having to visit a doc in a foreign country for some cough medicine is even more stressful
especially since it isn't over the counter here
solemn bay
Wow. I mean, I've never taken cold medicine for that, so it's weird to me.
deep vessel
(also the cough lozenges i bought here also taste awful. why does german medicine taste so vile in general)
maybe you've been blessed with an extra resilient immune system? i don't get sick often, especially when i'm not travelling. but when i do it hits me hard
solemn bay
Nope, the opposite. I get sick a lot but cold medicine is usually pretty useless. Lozenges are useful since they often have numbing or similar stuff which directly helps you if you're in pain.
tight kelp
americans sure like their drugs :/
deep vessel
-shrug emoji thing- might just be different biologies, or who knows. pseudoephidrine works for me and that's all I know.
exotic gorge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tight kelp
it wasn't directed at you specifically but i just find it weird how lax regulations seem to be over there by comparison
and how easily people resort to drugs for stuff that heals by itself with some rest
deep vessel
i'm also not american. nor do i live in the us. but sometimes i've got bills to pay and can't afford to simply rest for a week or two
tight kelp
not that it changes anything, but a place where people are forced to work or starve even when sick has a shitty work culture
exotic gorge
US drug culture is definitely rooted in our shitty work culture and inaccurate meritocratic ideas.
deep vessel
anyway i'm not here to play the country high horse game. just tryna give a dude advice based on my experiences. so i'mma tap out here
tight kelp
yeah, my bad
foggy prism
wait, ibuprofen is problematic? you can get that without prescription here…?
is this just a “germany is weird” thing?
warped atlas
I’ve only ever gotten ibuprofen because of carpal tunnel or something from like....10 years ago. Since then I’ve never taken any pain medication, I think. And that was by prescribed by a doctor. I never had any excruciating pain...
Otherwise, I don’t really go to the apothecary other than for vitamins and last time, condoms (now amazon all of them 🤣)
I can’t tell whether ibuprofen you need prescription or not...
And even if you don’t, I rarely hear back home and here that one needs ibuprofen when they have pain, just “rest it off” other than maybe paracetamol for headaches
foggy prism
I use ibuprofen for headaches, but only if it’s absolutely necessariy
warped atlas
But it could also mean I’ve only been hanging out with super healthy people
foggy prism
of the painkillers i’ve tried it was the only one that had any effect at all
(not that I’ve tried a lot)
I generally try to just prevent headaches ahead of time
hidden briar
ibu 400mg is not verschreibungspflichtig, ibu 600mg is
foggy prism
friend of mine takes it for migranes
warped atlas
Or we never talked about it, and none hve ever taken it in front of each other...
So 🤷♂️
deep vessel
you can tell either rainforest is a lucky bitch or dosn't have a uterus *edit: in retrospect the condoms comment either implies a dude or an extremely responsible chick, but most likely the former
nsaids are the goto for period cramps
but i do actually have a question myself: i've gotta ship some various stuff for myself from germany back to australia. How picky are customs about exact weights on the customs slip?
warped atlas
Yes, am dude
I can understand that period cramps can be goddamn hurtful. Which I never saw until my last ex. The only other reference I had is my sister and mom, and they never showed themselves being in excruciating pain due to cramps. But again, it could just be my male brain closing it all up since I was just a teen.
I can’t remember whether said ex had taken ibuprofen
deep vessel
and when you live with something for most of your life you learn to grin and bare it
tight kelp
this also varies from person to person. For some it's more painful and also has other averse effects than the usual ones
warped atlas
I’ve only had it the other way around @deep vessel. I had to handle customs in German in this case. The one from origin only cared at the post office. Didn’t need to handle the customs for sending out.
And that was from me to me
I recall somebody here had issues with the customs when they received Xmas gifts from his/her parents/grandparents in the US.
Was imprecise with the price of goods or the naming (was a gift of socks and shirts or something) and dude had to pay extra €60
tight kelp
no it was the opposite issue
it's because they were too precise with disclosing the value of the goods
warped atlas
Oh was it? Ok
tight kelp
never tell customs you're sending expensive stuff
warped atlas
Lol 🤣
tight kelp
weight is something they can easily sniff out if you write something fake, but value?
warped atlas
Well that’s true
modern spruce
ohoh, I just watched a documentary about the german customs office last night.
That sounds super boring out loud, but it was actually very nice.
humble bough
I recall somebody here had issues with the customs when they received Xmas gifts from his/her parents/grandparents in the US.
Was imprecise with the price of goods or the naming (was a gift of socks and shirts or something) and dude had to pay extra €60
yeah this was me (my parents did pay me back for the customs charge tho)
the gift included videogames and a new sweater which were what brought the cost up
also re: coming to Germany, I'm seconding the suggestion of bringing medication -- I'm sure people are gonna bitch about how this is a sign that I'm a drug-centric American or some bullshit 🙄 but I particularly recommend bringing some Melotonin tablets, which are available over-the-counter in the US but not in Germany. Melotonin is relatively harmless and is good for occasional sleep problems, so taking it can sometimes help with jetlag depending how yours manifests.
literally all I keep it on hand for, at least
I also brought a bunch of off-brand excedrin (combo of aspirin, paracetamol, and caffeine) because I wasn't sure if they sold it over-the-counter here and I already had a shitton of it -- I take this for headaches and sometimes cramps and I highly recommend it tbh
vague brook
@solemn bay cough syrup is problematic because it often contains codeine or dxm, which pretty much make you high and are legal-wise drugs (codeine is a derivate of morphine, and dextrometorphane is well, just dextrometorphane)
i know opioid dependent people who started with cough syrup
anti-cold medication may also sometimes contain pseudoephedrine, which its the same class as amphetamine
granite nebula
Hey, shutterdream, could I get the name or a link to that documentary by any chance? I think I might like it.
tight kelp
does anyone have a website or anything else to find startups willing to hire programmers in germany? I live in the dortmund area in case there's anything local you know about
tight kelp
small companies in general are ok
i don't like what i see about larger ones, especially about their recruitment process
exotic barn
@tight kelp hey.... just a question ... do you want't sw-development or do you consider0 sw-verification/testing building sw-testenivronment and so on, where you also have to write sw.....? Asking because uhm...v-modell (example) actually each stage needs "programming"-skills thats why i am asking
tight kelp
sorry but the way you wrote the message makes it really hard to get what you mean ^^"
sw = software?
exotic barn
yea
tight kelp
v-modell?
tight kelp
anyway to answer your question, i would be ok with writing tests
honestly i have more concerns about the work culture of the company than the actual job
i know everybody wants to hear a candidate say that they've lived every second of their life wishing for a chance at creating business to business personal management software but that's just not true ever :P
exotic barn
nah i am actually talking about... like alot of people these days consider "programming" just like writing code for some smol app......depending on the business you'll find always some who can code... every student can "code" ......but you'll not find people who can write a system/sw-architecture for 10 millions lines of code....can review/understand code from others and so on.... my question is more like if you're open minded to taks like "writing tests" , a test has 1000-5000k lines of code , language doesn't matter
based from experience alot peepos from a uni come to a company expecting a task everyday where they can write down some code....
and regarding the culture at a company.... for me thats also really important.... but i think you also want a job where you
don't sell yourself below value ?
warped atlas
How about this, Berzie...which branch of work do you wanna work at? Finance, Automobile, Biomedicine?
Honestly, I myself am just not cut out with the auto industry culture
And most of my colleagues that go there for programming stuff, either does Software testing, or requirements management for safety relevant functions
To me, it sounds rather boring. And the „I need the test two days ago as I‘m telling you today!“ attitude from what I heard is just not for me. Sounds stressful
sullen robin
Mein Bruder möchte Tickets für das EM 2020 Deutschland v Portugal Spiel kaufen. Wie kauft man normalerweise Tickets für solche Spiele? Ich habe www.viagogo.de gefunden, gibt es aber irgendwelche Alternativen?
tight kelp
@exotic barn yeah i see what you mean. I'm all for proper software architecture, and i'm ok with writing tests and stuff like that. As I said, what i care about is that my life isn't shit just so i can bring some money home.
@warped atlas no idea as i don't have experience with any culture in particular, though i would probably like biomedicine and other fields that could cross over with research. I wouldn't be able to stand an arrogant culture like the one you described either, i'm nobody's bitch
so anyway does anyone have anything that might be useful?
exotic barn
Regarding Dortmund i could ask a friend... he studied CS and went to the medicine industry
Do you have an expectation regarding your salary ?
tight kelp
it shouldn't be lower than unskilled jobs ¯_(ツ)_/¯
exotic barn
sometimes big companies.... hire people frim smol companies just to pay less
sullen robin
ich arbeite bei einer Tochterfirma von VW (aber, naja, es ist einfach VW) und man verdient ungefähr 40.000€ brutto
exotic barn
das meine ich( Tochterfirmen was the word i was looking for or Sub-Unternehmen )
Tochterfirmen oder andere Firmen sind manchmal nicht so gut, aber können auch eine Chance sein.
Manchmal sind Tochterfirmen viel besser, weil die Unternehmenskultur eine andere ist
tight kelp
honestly i don't even like this thing there is here where many companies require to know your salary expectations. Just make an offer if you're interested in hiring me and i'll tell you. I don't want to pull a number out of my arse just to give you one more weapon to weed me out in favour of people who are willing to do the same job for crumbs because they have mummy and daddy paying the bills at home
@exotic barn where would you say 40 000 brutto stands? Is it high? Low?
of course it depends on the position but in general
warped atlas
Well, the expectation of salaries is something that you should actually think about
Go to Glassdoor.com, or Kununu, or Xing.de
tight kelp
oh i certainly tried but i can never be sure, since recruiters and companies don't exactly do me the courtesy of telling me why when they throw away my application
warped atlas
Some sites or just a sinple google search, you could get an average of the salary you‘d get for your experience
tight kelp
i certainly wouldn't want to work something like programming for less than 2.5k netto, but i also don't want to undersell myself
exotic barn
What i mean is that you might have a hard time if you don't know your value.... i get what you're saying and it'S hard to explain..... but trust me and rainforerst on this one ..... think about it ..... just write down what you need to pay a year......
in general.... i don't judge anything by money ... 40k is alot and 100k is alot it depends on how you use it ( sorry on this one but i am bit philosophical here )
warped atlas
From there, you better think about how much you could get as a starting salary
Well, it depends as well on which Bundesland, Berzi
tight kelp
and i did do my research but i still don't feel sure of myself when i tell them something around the average salary over the phone and then never hear back
warped atlas
Afaik, BW and Bayern gives the most for starting engineers
Don‘t worry berzi, I hd asked about 20% more than what I ended up with
tight kelp
i mentioned dortmund, so nrw
warped atlas
I really like my job now
tight kelp
we're a household of two, we don't have problems with paying the bills but that doesn't mean i'm willing to work for free, so your model isn't enough to help me settle on a number, Herm
warped atlas
And not really thinking anytime soon of getting that €3500 netto yet
I have other perks that I enjoy more than money atm
The next step after is investing, but that‘s the next step. I‘ll shut up about that
tight kelp
my main concern is time, really.
exotic barn
hard to tell and also depends on the skills ....let me say like that... don't worry to start sth. that you might think is below average
there are alot of good companies who want to see how people can evolve
tight kelp
i'd like to have a lot of free time left over even if i end up earning less
exotic barn
/improve themself
and give you a raise every year
thats what i meant don't worry about to start below/with everage
but , and thats why i can't tell you how it will be going, i know a lot of decent people who had to leave a company....not because they were "bad"
because if they actually asked for their salary they deserve...and regarding their age...
they would've earn more than some1 who worked 10-15 y. in a company so they left
and looked for a smaller company :)
tight kelp
i guess my concern is that i don't know what causes companies to throw my application in the bin. Did i ask too much? Did i sound like a twat on the phone? Did they find some overqualified idiot who's willing to work for minimum wage? Who knows. Looking for work it frankly feels like the job seeker has no rights whatsoever
like, i'm not legally obligated to put a photo on my curriculum, but will they "coincidentally" throw it away as soon as they see there isn't one? Or will they do that if they do see it? I've heard both
and though i haven't been actively looking in the latest months, i did do it for long enough that i would have landed at least something in that time, so naturally my first thought is that i must be doing something wrong
and the best solution i can think of is to restrict the search to small companies, which are more humane and transparent in their methods instead of having a solid wall of HR between me and any concrete information
exotic barn
if paying the bills and having alot of freetime is your goal atm. then hey. why not lloking for a company that makes you happy
?
exotic barn
I mean.... seriously..... it's not all about €/$ ... if you are alright with your partner/life
just go for the job
that fit's your current life situation....some colleagues don't give a shit about some 100+- bucks... its like you said about lifetime :)
tight kelp
sure, but when the guy inevitably asks what my expectations are, if i tell them i don't really care they insist on me spitting some form of number. It's happened before
and again, money isn't the main problem, the main problem is that i don't know where to find small companies to apply to
stuff like xing, linkedin or otherwise basically only give me access to recruiters, which are ironically the worst possible people imaginable one could task to find good candidates for a job
exotic barn
check some people ( not recruiters) regarding your specialization ... and hey just give them a number above average instead of not giving any number at all.... some recruiters/companies will debate with you to lower it and you might achieve your goal
tight kelp
most will probably just rule me out as a cunt tho
exotic barn
i wrote a huge text and it got deleted <@&305455824174710787> why ?
tight kelp
did it have several identical letters in a row?
sick imp
Because you included too many dots and the bot doesn't exactly like that.
Here's your text, you can copy it with a reduced number of dots.
a really small amount of companies is willing to pay above average ......... uhm.... you can ask me if you don't understand this but i'll try to say it in enlgish regarding some companies.... alot are talking about they can't find a person who is specialized in XYZ, has 20 years work experience and and is like 25-30+years old LOL ..............rarely ....but not impossible you will find a company who will definetly not worry about the €/$ they have to pay some1....but you need the skills period...... and if you don't care that much ask for 10%-15% above average IMO( not a Rule )
exotic barn
DANKE
@tight kelp to say it short : don't fear to ask for a salary .. good recruiters will stick to the person they are looking for .. but also don't neglect your current life situation .. i think you have a nice and healthy ..kinda balanced mindset regarding life/salary
tight kelp
sure yeah. The problem as i said is that it's basically impossible to bypass the recruiter wall
they're people who have no idea what they're really looking for so as long as my cv isn't as they want it to see they skip me
my background isn't in computer science but i have more coding experience than many people who get hired fresh out of uni or after ausbildung
but none of that matters because they don't see computer science on the cv
warped atlas
And it also depends on the company you apply at
I can only tell you from my current company, that works in R&D consulting
During the first interview process by the phone, you‘d already be asked what your 3 top value from top to bottom.
And as I said, I blatantly asked for 20% more than what I saw most fresh grads get apparently.
During the second interview I had done live presentation, and some tests of technical skills (no whiteboard test, thank God)
And at the end, as part of the interview process, the interviewee also gets a feedback on the situation
More often than not, companies that are no longer a startup, but not necessarily huge, would have its own cultures and values, and unless they‘re super desperate, wouldn‘t hire anybody who‘s not a possible good fit
So I guess what I‘m trying to say is, @tight kelp
- Do your research
- Find the one that at first glance would make you feel, „oh that company is doing something cool!“
- and most importantly, be yourself
Ask them for possible benefits, ask for opportunities on growth, ask all those stuff
tight kelp
@warped atlas
i don't understand this sentence:
During the first interview process by the phone, you‘d already be asked what your 3 top value from top to bottom.
warped atlas
Well, it wasn‘t personal values in terms like, Curiosity, Power, Justice
tight kelp
Find the one
how
warped atlas
I meant like, Personal Time, Salary, Being Independent at the job
Doing something you’re passionate about
exotic barn
what has the most value for ya.... for me #1 is integrity as an example
warped atlas
I recall, I was given the list, and just list it with my order on the spot (on phone)
tight kelp
integrity?
warped atlas
Yeah, but that’s already a bit too far off, Berzi
exotic barn
Integrität in german
warped atlas
That’s more into personal growth
warped atlas
We have mentoring sessions to find your personal values as well
And with that, you could define goals. But this is getting way ahead
exotic barn
no actually
a behind a recruiter is someone
who is looking for you
and tells the recruiter to ask some questions :)
warped atlas
In that, I can tell you, we have a template of questions at ready
And they just need to fill it up from asking you
exotic barn
And if you don't fit the expectations of the person "behind" the recruiter you can fail, even if the recruiter thinks you're fine
warped atlas
From there somebody else will determine whether your qualities match
tight kelp
gonna be honest, so far the only recruiters whom i got the feeling had the competence to tell apart good candidates were from abroad, but i'm not willing to uproot my life again to find a job. My experience of german recruiters so far has been of cordial people but with basically no idea what they were doing, just fishing for buzzwords they don't understand and ruling people out as soon as they hear their subject in uni was not relevant
for the record i did get beyond that stage at times, up to a week probezeit which went okay-ish but i got the feeling they were short on money
and ended up not taking me. At the time my german wasn't the best and needless to say my coding skills were greener too. Though the former was the largest factor as far as i could gather—they even complimented my code explicitly
warped atlas
Well I got my fair share of linkedin head hunters as well, whom are from abroad, put in Germany to recruit people here....honestly they felt like ones with no heart...just hire and go
tight kelp
actually the best recruiter i got called by was a headhunter from england, super friendly andgenuinely interested in some tech stuff i elaborated about
warped atlas
Whatabout the work?
tight kelp
but unfortunately they were looking for people with 8+ years of experience which i don't have. I always preface that i'm looking for junior positions
warped atlas
Oof, yeah, I just got a linkedin email about a senior position that offers €80000
Requirements: 5 years in C++ Embedded Systems
I habe none of that
Since location is in Stuttgart, and “established producer of electronic products” I’m just gonna assume it’s Bosch
exotic barn
80k bucks for just 5years experience in cpp... yeah bosch. or sth. like safety applications
warped atlas
But the headhunter is from....Roc Search
So, Bosch is hiring a recruiting firm, to find them an engineer
“Safety-relevant software”....yeah, something with cars....
No, not interested, thank you, I like my job now
vague brook
My experience of german recruiters so far has been of cordial people but with basically no idea what they were doing
@tight kelp isn't that a requirement to work in the HR department, being clueless
like some monkeys with 90IQ that studied sociology are judging whether coders or managers will be good at their jobs by asking questions like "why are male toilets marked with triangles and female with circles?"