#archived-culture-study-visa | German Learning and Discussion | Page 13

tacit briar Sep 4, 2018, 10:16 PM

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It's not a German thing, what I call marketing bullshit is nowadays ubiquitous :/ but it's definitely present in Germany too

exotic barn Sep 4, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Imo this is pretty detailed

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and you get this for every booking

fleet pelican Sep 4, 2018, 10:22 PM

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too many paragraphs 😤

exotic barn Sep 4, 2018, 10:22 PM

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here's the whole thing

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crude thicket Sep 5, 2018, 6:03 AM

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Ye my German sucks that's why I was asking the difference

crimson yew Sep 5, 2018, 6:39 AM

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I need to write a motivation letter. It's a request that I need to complete it before I give my documents to the consulate. But, my german isn't so well to write the whole paragraph correct. That's way, from which website or wich method can help me with that?

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(for visa)

tight kelp Sep 5, 2018, 6:43 AM

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you can try translating to german from a version in a language you're comfortable with on deepl, it generally works quite well. I assume you're also interested in actually improving your German too so you can have users here double-check the result and explain you what was wrong with it and any other doubt you might have

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the slower but more learning-oriented solution would be to see if someone here can help you write the parts you can't do by yourself

crimson yew Sep 5, 2018, 6:47 AM

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I'll try it thank you

whole pecan Sep 5, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Btw Sascha says never to by sparpreis for urgent/Intercity trains

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You -will- get delayed or cancelled

foggy prism Sep 5, 2018, 11:35 AM

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that’s not what I say

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I say if you do it it’s guaranteed to go badly

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but if you don’t do it

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then it’ll go just fine

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rules of bad luck you know?

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

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idk if this is the right place to ask this but idk a better channel so I'm gonna --
would someone be willing to help me read my Immatriculation paperwork? It's not available in English and deepL isn't doing a very good job with it (it doesn't seem to be great with bulletpointed lists of stuff you need to mail someone), and I'm absolutely terrified of doing it incorrectly.

solemn bay Sep 6, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Sure. Maybe if you post it and show the specific parts you need help with.

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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well it's quite long and I'd rather not completely doxx myself by posting the pdf but I'll try to ask the shorter questions

exotic barn Sep 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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You can take screenshots of the parts you don’t understand

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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ooh good idea one moment

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this is probably the most urgent part because I know it's a list of the stuff I need to send them but my german ability and deepl have both failed me regarding what is on this list and being sure I'm reading it even remotely properly. sorry the text is small

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exotic barn Sep 6, 2018, 4:31 AM

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I can tell you some parts but i think leaving it to a native would be better :D

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 4:34 AM

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yeah I suppose I can wait for all the natives to wake up lol

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Are there parts you don't understand or the whole bunch? 😄

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@humble bough

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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uh it's most of it tbh. Like, I understand a few bits like Unterschrift but my german level just really isn't high enough to read p much any of this

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Okay, so I try to sum it up 😄

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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the words I do understand I'm worried about misinterpreting since it's a lot of like... names of forms and qualifications for what I can tell lol

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Application form of your online matriculation with signature

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a normal, not notarized copy of your acceptance paper as well as the timely confirmation of the admission if the subject you want to study is restricted (even if the courses are in English, it has to be in German!)

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WHAT

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The chat just deleted a bunch of my explanation .__.

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Okay, quick recap:

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 4:49 AM

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smh must've triggered the bot somehow

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that thing is very delete-happy

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 4:50 AM

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a notarized copy of your report card and the certification of your university OR
a notarized copy of any other appropriate proof for your degree
(both for a final matriculation)
an explanation for the necessary courses as well as the confirmation of the university (see page 4 of the online matriculation for the explanation)
(for temporary matriculation)

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for foreign degrees: a notarized copy of your report card/degree as well as a notarized translation in German, English or French, if necessary.

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 4:52 AM

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jesus christ german notaries must be loaded with all these notarized forms they require

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 4:52 AM

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You can go to a city hall, they can do it, too.

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 4:53 AM

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luckily I think I've still got extra copies from when I applied

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always pay for an extra notarized diploma is the moral of the story I guess

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 4:55 AM

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a simple, not notarized copy of your ID card or passport with personal information; if a second citizenship exists, attach a copy of it as well (the following information have to be seen: last name, first name, date of birth, address and date of expiration. You have the right to black any further information we don't require. The copy of your ID card/passport will only be used for your identification and will prevent identity theft. The copy will be destroyed after successful matriculation.)

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if necessary, authorization with a normal, not notarized copy of the ID card of the authorized person [personal note: just necessary if you have do appoint another person to get your stuff in the further process]

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if necessary, a normal, not notarized copy of a certificate stating that you've changed your name in the meantime [personal note: e.g. in case of marriage]

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curriculum vitae in table form with signature

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normal, not notarized copy of your university entrance qualification

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normal, not notarized copy of your certificate of removal from the register of students of the last university you frequented in Germany with information about subject and semester

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 5:02 AM

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...what is a university entrance qualification?

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 5:02 AM

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just for foreign studens: if necessary - normal, not notarized copy of your degree of knowledge of the German language (see knowledge of the German language for academic studies)

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It usually is your last school certificate you got before leaving the school, permitting you to enter a university.

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 5:04 AM

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but like... this is a master's degree, does my diploma count as that or?

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 5:04 AM

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No. That is stated above. This is a new point.

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certification that you have a statutory health insurance for the following semester (you have to ask your insurance for a "written confirmation for a matriculation" - see [link] for a form they could use [personal note: they know what to do, just call and tell them]) or, if you have a private health insurance: written confirmation of an exempt from the written confirmation above

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Note for German students: see [link] for further information
Note for foreign students: see [link] for further information

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Only necessary for foreign students of not-EU-countries: normal, not notarized copy of a valid visa that does not rule out a study of the subject you want to study at the University of Potsdam or a normal, not notarized copy of your student visa

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If necessary, request for extramural studies

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If necessary, a filled out request of graduation to start in another semester [personal note: e.g. if you have started to study elsewhere, didn't get a degree and want to finish your study at your new university without starting all over again]

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In the yellow box:
The documents will only be dealt with if they are handed in in due time and in due form.

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 5:15 AM

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hm okay

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when it says visa, is the thing it's asking for the same as the Aufenthaltserlaubnis or is it like just a visa visa?

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 5:16 AM

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Aufenthaltserlaubnis. It's basically the German word for visa.

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 5:17 AM

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ah okay just wanted to make sure it was that and not like the visa some people need to get into germany in the first place

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 5:18 AM

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This is a Einreiseerlaubnis 😄

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 5:24 AM

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too many laubnis

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wait but I need to be enrolled to apply for my visa though???

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but I need to have my visa to be enrolled??????

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Germany wai

sullen robin Sep 6, 2018, 5:32 AM

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Why do you think that?

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 5:35 AM

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https://vv.potsdam.de/vv/produkte/173010100000003566.php?organisationUnit=173010100000007806#tab-unterlagen
the requirements here say I need a Immatrikulationsbescheinigung which I assume is a certificate I get once I enroll

Landeshauptstadt Potsdam

Befristete Aufenthaltserlaubnis (Ersterteilung und Verlängerung) ...

sullen robin Sep 6, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Yeah, and you can get a visa for 3 months to enroll iirc

viral geyser Sep 6, 2018, 5:38 AM

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Oh okay, didn't know that @sullen robin

sullen robin Sep 6, 2018, 5:38 AM

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https://www.germany-visa.org/student-visa/student-applicant-visa/

Germany VISA

besart

Student Applicant Visa (Visum Zur Studienbewerbung) - Germany VISA

The student applicant visa is what foreign people need if they have applied for university studies or preparatory measures, having been confirmed as applicants and having decent prospects for admission …

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 5:39 AM

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this doesn't seem to apply to me -- I have already been admitted to enroll

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I guess I can just email the international office once they open later this month; I assume they're used to visa questions

sullen robin Sep 6, 2018, 5:46 AM

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Yeah, sounds like a good idea. If you're already admitted, does that mean you still need to enroll proper? I think that's what that visa is for.

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I don't really know though, better just asking yeah

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 5:50 AM

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yeah no I've been admitted but then I need to enroll and it's a whole process I guess

foggy prism Sep 6, 2018, 9:08 AM

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you'd think if they took foreign students they'd have this stuff in English

solemn bay Sep 6, 2018, 9:25 AM

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True. Maybe it's worth asking directly (if you didn't already) if they have an English list cause maybe it's just not on the website or it's hard to find or something. Just a thought.

knotty lava Sep 6, 2018, 10:27 AM

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Even the 'local' PhD programme in potsdam is paneuropean while the international one is basically global afaik
Baffled that they’re not putting this out in English, it’s difficult enough in German lmao

humble bough Sep 6, 2018, 2:25 PM

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the online enrollment paperwork had a section that explicitly said "hey we don't have this in English yet ask the people in your program for help" and I was like smh why?

foggy prism Sep 6, 2018, 2:32 PM

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sounds like they’re willing to help you get it right tho

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so prolly check in with them to ask if you understood stuff correctly that isn’t quite clear

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before you send stuff in

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or even before you start collecitng tbh

hybrid aspen Sep 9, 2018, 4:50 AM

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‘German visas. As an EU/EEA citizen you won't need a visa or permit to work and live in Germany.’ <- I'm assuming this will no longer be the case for British people after the UK leaves.

humble bough Sep 9, 2018, 5:43 AM

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afaik the terms of the UK's leaving the EU have yet to be agreed upon, so it's unclear exactly how anything will work afterwards

hybrid aspen Sep 9, 2018, 5:45 AM

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~~Such is the disaster that is Brexit~~

ocean oriole Sep 9, 2018, 10:17 AM

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Yeah, the government has no idea what it's doing, don't think we'll know anything for sure until the UK actually leaves.

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I've never been so glad of the perks of dual citizenship

jagged charm Sep 9, 2018, 10:19 AM

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Same

fleet pelican Sep 9, 2018, 10:35 AM

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Same

hybrid aspen Sep 9, 2018, 5:16 PM

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I'm trying to get dual citizenship too

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Thank you, Irish grandad whom I've never met

viral geyser Sep 9, 2018, 6:52 PM

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I don't know why everyone has something against a dual citizenship.

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I mean, are there any downsides for the people of a country?

tight kelp Sep 9, 2018, 6:53 PM

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who has anything against it?

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aside from some governments :D

viral geyser Sep 9, 2018, 6:58 PM

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That's it. The CDU made a whole election campaign based on the dual citizenship.

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And they weren't in favor of it.

tight kelp Sep 9, 2018, 6:59 PM

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it's cdu xD

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i dunno, it's pretty stupid that german citizenship requires you to renounce other citizenships to gain it

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and afaik this dates back to like bismarck time or something

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 7:01 PM

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I mean, are there any downsides for the people of a country?
I know that dual citizenship with america can be rather inconvenient for quite a few reasons

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(wait do you mean for other people?)

viral geyser Sep 9, 2018, 7:01 PM

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You can actually have a dual citizenship

with states of the EU
with states that don't let you reject your citizenship
with states with special treaties

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 7:01 PM

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(if so, uh, the only thing I could think of is some people here get around military service with dual citizenship)

tight kelp Sep 9, 2018, 7:01 PM

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really? The USA passport is one of the most privileged afaik

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 7:02 PM

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if you have the US passport afaik you have to pay some taxes regardless of where you live, and banks make a big fuss about it here

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when you want to open a bank account here you’re primarily asked:

viral geyser Sep 9, 2018, 7:02 PM

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No, for the people. For the government, sure, it could be bothersome if you get imprisoned, for example. But for the people itself? You won't harm them e.g. concerning paying taxes.

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 7:02 PM

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-are you a US citizen

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-do you have family in the US

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-have you lived or do you intend to live in the US

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if you say no you can make a bank acc otherwise it’s more annoying

tight kelp Sep 9, 2018, 7:03 PM

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sounds like a switzerland thing tho

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 7:03 PM

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I think it is

tight kelp Sep 9, 2018, 7:03 PM

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i wonder why

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 7:03 PM

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something something the US demands information, proabbyl related to the tax thingy

tight kelp Sep 9, 2018, 7:03 PM

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ohh

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 7:04 PM

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there was some debate over taxes between the US and Switzerland it seems

viral geyser Sep 9, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Yes, it's about tax evading.

kindred yew Sep 9, 2018, 9:20 PM

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thanks to those measures now money laundering is impossible in Switzerland, right??

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right?

tight kelp Sep 9, 2018, 9:22 PM

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they make it a point to only launder money for non-americans ;)

hybrid aspen Sep 9, 2018, 10:51 PM

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The thing with dual citizenship is that a lot of countries only permit it because they don't actually recognise it. I read in a blogpost by someone with French and American citizenship who said that France sondiered them a French citizen, and that the US considered them an American citizen.

humble bough Sep 9, 2018, 11:03 PM

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that is how dual citizenship works

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you are a citizen of two countries and are considered a citizen by both of those countries

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the only thing required to permit dual citizenship is to not forbid it lol

hybrid aspen Sep 9, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Indee

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d

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 11:04 PM

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hm there’s sometimes some special things tho

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e.g. I had a classmate who was both a dutch and a swiss citizen

humble bough Sep 9, 2018, 11:04 PM

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that said dual citizenship with the US is a bitch cause they do tax you regardless of where you live

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 11:05 PM

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swiss military states that you must serve in it unless you serve in the military of another country

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so they said they were gonna do dutch military, which is a joke, i think they had to go to an orientationa nd in case of war they would be called in

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but never had to do any service

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if it was truly “you are a citizen of both states and all the responsibilities that come with it” you’d have to serve in both militaries at once or sth ^^

humble bough Sep 9, 2018, 11:06 PM

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...no?

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 11:06 PM

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(and then the swiss-dutch war breaks out and you have to commit suicide)

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(or sth)

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well, swiss military is mandatory for all citizens

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but he was entirely exempt

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so he did get special treatment

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because of dual citizenship

humble bough Sep 9, 2018, 11:06 PM

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the swiss military requirement as you state it specifically exempts those who serve in another military but that's an exemption within the swiss laws

foggy prism Sep 9, 2018, 11:07 PM

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I mean he also didn’t have to pay military tax I think

humble bough Sep 9, 2018, 11:07 PM

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a country can add laws and exemptions for dual citizens if they want it's more that not doing that isn't like some weird thing for dual citizenship

halcyon tartan Sep 10, 2018, 3:23 PM

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heya yall, I have question about insurance when I do my travel from Sweden to Germany. I have some plans to stay at my partners place and look for jobs, and give it 6 months to see where it goes. I've figured that travel insurance and EU-Health-Card might not be enough for me to stay for a longer visit and I should instead look into a German one if I am correct? Does anyone know of any good options for someone in my position? I've read somewhere along the lines that after staying in Germany for 3 months you should register and get German approved health insurance?

hidden briar Sep 10, 2018, 3:28 PM

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check what your swedish insurance covers, for short term there is travel insurance. If you are married to that partner, you are covered under them.

halcyon tartan Sep 10, 2018, 3:31 PM

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the home-insurance we have covers 45 days of travelling but then should be extended for longer visits as these can provide ambulance flights and what not. Then we have public social insurance which should give me same benefits when looking for health care provided i have my EU-card with me.

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but ive heard that staying longer in germany requires a german approved insurance so i guess thats where im getting confused

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will try look around more

exotic barn Sep 10, 2018, 3:38 PM

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You could also just ask your insurance company

fleet pelican Sep 10, 2018, 7:55 PM

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I think the problem is finding one lmao

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hey osuzu btw

exotic barn Sep 10, 2018, 7:55 PM

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I meant the insurance company in Sweden

fleet pelican Sep 10, 2018, 7:55 PM

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did the praying work

exotic barn Sep 10, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Heyo heckieeee

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I haven’t met them yet, i will prolly visit them on 17th

fleet pelican Sep 10, 2018, 7:56 PM

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I hope everything goes well for you sweet bun

exotic barn Sep 10, 2018, 7:57 PM

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Thank you heckie ❤

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What about you? Did you find a place?

fleet pelican Sep 10, 2018, 7:57 PM

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nah, but its ok

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I've been stressing too much ab it and forgetting how ehm

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idk how to put it

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yknow when celebreties say #blessed™

exotic barn Sep 10, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Nope?

fleet pelican Sep 10, 2018, 7:58 PM

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lmfao ok nvm

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Im just forgetting that I'm very lucky w other things

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like being born into the EU

exotic barn Sep 10, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Well, if try keeping an eyes for new offers tho i guess. Living in the city is always easier since you can also find a parttime job and work there

fleet pelican Sep 10, 2018, 8:01 PM

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ye ye ofc

crude thicket Sep 10, 2018, 8:03 PM

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how safe is sofort klarna to use ?

exotic barn Sep 10, 2018, 8:09 PM

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why not paypal

fleet pelican Sep 10, 2018, 8:09 PM

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I've used klarna

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idk its absolutely fine, theyve been very understanding ab all sorts of situations

crude thicket Sep 10, 2018, 8:16 PM

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my account for paypal is linked to UK bank account

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and i wanted to buy stuff using cash in german bank account without playing the money game

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too lazy to make a new one

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so yeah

exotic barn Sep 10, 2018, 8:17 PM

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ah fair enough

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:29 PM

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dunno if the question fits here

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but if I approach a random 50+ man or woman in Germany, how likely is he to know English to a decent degree?

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same question for a ~25 years old person

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Define "decent degree", please.

foggy prism Sep 11, 2018, 3:31 PM

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for 50+ year old there’s a good chance that they won’t be able to speak it at all beyond some very basic phrases, I’d say

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25 otoh, most won’t exactly be fluent but you’ll struggle to find one who doesn’t speak any

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especially among e.g. people who are going to university

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:32 PM

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I'd say decent degree is being able to hold a simple conversation, help someone out with directions or whatever

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:32 PM

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i'd make the same guess as Sascha for my area

hidden briar Sep 11, 2018, 3:32 PM

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my parents are 60+, one worked in IT/Database administration had to know english very well (working with amis), other worked for a church, only basic english

foggy prism Sep 11, 2018, 3:33 PM

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my parents spent a year in america and aren’t really comfortable speaking English (but can read and understand it fine); my uncle doesn’t speak a word

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they’re all around 50yo

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being able to hold a simple conversation, help someone out with directions
one of those is a lot harder than the other

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Pupils and those who recently finished school should be able to introduce themselves and give you directions.
People tend to say they can't speak if there's a risk they feel embarrassed.
Older people are usually not able to speak well.

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(Personal observations.)

hidden briar Sep 11, 2018, 3:36 PM

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the more of these factors are true the more likely it is someone speaks english: under 40, university education, big city, touristy place

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:36 PM

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the more i grow older the more i'm convinced embarrassment is a teenage thing 🤔

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:36 PM

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True.

foggy prism Sep 11, 2018, 3:37 PM

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if you want directions, approach people in their 20s or so

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gonna be most efficient

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if you want friends, learn german ^^

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:37 PM

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I heard those are a species in danger tho nr1

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Yeah, we die out.

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:38 PM

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we need to stop this. FeelsBadMan

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:39 PM

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wait, who dies out

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:39 PM

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I thought older people in Germany would speak better English than older people here

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:39 PM

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"here"

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:40 PM

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but by what you say, it's almost the same.( Argentina)

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:40 PM

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from what I hear it's more likely that old people in argentina would speak italian than english

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:41 PM

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@tight kelp We die out. We are an aging people, people die faster than kids are born.

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:41 PM

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lol Italian is pretty useless

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:41 PM

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but anyway, old people are old people. The current generations of old people haven't had too much of an experience with globalisation - not nearly as much as younger people

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:41 PM

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no one speaks it, even if your name is Tagliatelonni

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:41 PM

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so regardless of where, they are unlikely to know stuff they never had a true need for

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in terms of stuff that's complicated to learn at least, like languages

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:45 PM

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"Mr. Tichar, why do we have to learn French?"

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pupils, 2018

kindred yew Sep 11, 2018, 3:45 PM

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well

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what's your answer?

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unless you are in der Schweiz

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:46 PM

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because YOU HAVE TO SUFFER TOO YOU LITTLE SHIT

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like the rest of us

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also knowing multiple languages is good for dem brainz

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:48 PM

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You learn about another culture.
You kick the door open towards new people, new sources on the Internet.
You learn something about your own language.
You learn how to learn things (it often is the hardest thing to do when the pupils come to a point where they have to teach something all by themselves).

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:48 PM

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that last thing should be its own subject tbh

jagged charm Sep 11, 2018, 3:49 PM

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the second thing is probably not persuasive to a lot of native english speakers

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:49 PM

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This is true for every subject, though.

jagged charm Sep 11, 2018, 3:49 PM

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oh i mean third thing

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people think everything is in english anyway and there's no point

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:49 PM

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but they're wrong ;)

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Well, I don't need to persuade English pupils but Germans 😄

jagged charm Sep 11, 2018, 3:49 PM

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lol

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:50 PM

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You get to not look and sound like a complete tool when you meet people from elsewhere in the world.

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 3:51 PM

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(You do nonetheless because you have a freaking German accent lol)

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:51 PM

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this applies to all who are convinced they only need their native language, English or otherwise

jagged charm Sep 11, 2018, 3:51 PM

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my current theory on accents is that it's really important to nail down right at the early stages of language learning

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:52 PM

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the German accent is actually popular from what I know

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outside of germany

jagged charm Sep 11, 2018, 3:52 PM

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once you've reached b1 or b2 level with a thick accent it will be harder to lose

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:52 PM

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your theory is incorrect

jagged charm Sep 11, 2018, 3:52 PM

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are you gonna say why or just poo-poo my ideas? 😛

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:52 PM

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first the second thing, then the first one

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I've known English passively since my childhood, then in my teens I started developping written skills, but only started actually speaking it in the proper sense later or (say around 18 yo). I consciously decided I wanted to lose my accent and so I did

jagged charm Sep 11, 2018, 3:54 PM

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i never said it's impossible, just harder

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 3:55 PM

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my counter-theory is that it only happens if you consciously and directly approach the issue

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you have to be aware of it, be willing to change it, make a conscious choice (if there are multiple standard variants like with English), and make an active effort

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more on point, personally I don't think it's much harder if you do it later on, because while you'd have established habits to actively fight, if you do it early on you're adding stuff to be aware of while there's still a lot of new stuff around you constantly - whereas later on you know most of the stuff you're exposed to and certainly all the stuff you need for basic usage

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that said i'd still recommend picking up as much of correct pronunciation as possible early on - you can correct the subtleties later on but it's best to build on a sane foundation

viral geyser Sep 11, 2018, 4:10 PM

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I've had an insane foundation and I'm still capable of speaking English m)

tacit briar Sep 11, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Just wanted to say that I agree 100% with @tight kelp . If you try hard enough and long enough, you're able to speak like a native speaker.

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The only problem is, it may take so long and require so much effort, that you may consider it pointless. It's perfectly fine to make such decision.

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 4:31 PM

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it should be noted that there are definitely more than just "sound like a native" and "sound like an average unskilled speaker from your country of origin" in terms of stages

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i would never be satisfied with the latter, but reaching the former is not necessary

tacit briar Sep 11, 2018, 4:35 PM

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Depends, for some people it's really enough to only have a basic understanding of a foreign langauge.

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It just all depends on your needs. Obviously, someone who wants to live in a place where a language is in daily use, should try to be as good as possible, including pronunciation.

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 4:39 PM

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i'd introduce certain thresholds in parallel with proficiency levels

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e.g. by b1 you should at least have correct pronunciation, by c2 you should definitely sound at least somewhat near a native

tacit briar Sep 11, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Define "near a native" please

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Otherwise I can't decide if i agree or not 😉

foggy prism Sep 11, 2018, 4:46 PM

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you're allowed slightly wonky intonation and two phonemes that you don't pronounce perfectly

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^^

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(that's roughly where I stand with English :P)

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 5:25 PM

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yeah, basically.

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to qualify what I meant better: you're allowed not to be identified as a native by a native, but you should not have an easily placeable accent. Your pronunciation should be so that an untrained native shouldn't be able to easily tell you what separates you from a native

tacit briar Sep 11, 2018, 6:03 PM

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what if I don't really care about the native speakers? Because that's my current situation in English - I use it daily with non-native speakers, but my interactions with the native ones is almost non-existent. (yeah, the question is a bit provocative ; ) )

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(please note: I do care about German native speakers, this above is only about English)

fleet pelican Sep 11, 2018, 6:04 PM

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lmfao

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so HAUBENTAUCHERONLY doesnt care about the english

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just so we're clear

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 6:05 PM

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that's not pferd

fleet pelican Sep 11, 2018, 6:05 PM

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OH FUCK

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LMFAO

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~~dont tell him~~

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 6:06 PM

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@tacit briar I didn't say anything about whether you habitually interact with natives ;)

tacit briar Sep 11, 2018, 6:06 PM

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yeah, ich bin auf keinen Fall ein Pferd 😉

fleet pelican Sep 11, 2018, 6:07 PM

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😒

tacit briar Sep 11, 2018, 6:07 PM

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you say, your pronunciation should be good enough to be able to "mislead" (in a way) native speakers. I say, I not only don't care but actually have no way to check it.

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and I fail to understand why should it be a good benchmark for me

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 6:08 PM

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if you only interact with non-natives there's a chance you'd pick up new bad habits or confirm new ones not just in the pronunciation field but also idioms, spelling and grammar, so it would definitely score you either lower or at best equally to other speakers who do care.
I'm aware that talking with natives can too introduce bad habits, but they'd be bad habits a native would have.

tacit briar Sep 11, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Everything you say is clear to me. It's just that I don't really get why in my personal situation should I care being scored high in such a scale. I basically try to say that it still depends, threre're no absolutes one should always refer to

tight kelp Sep 11, 2018, 6:11 PM

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well I said that as a way to prove a skill level, I'm not saying it's the only possible way to prove it. But since it's hard to define the skill level itself, I let it be implied by its accessibility. Natives are by definition those closer to holding the most correct form(s) of a language, so it's only natural for them to be the most qualified jury for external evaluation - albeit I definitely don't mean a direct "decision-based" evaluation

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so, no real absolutes here. I encourage you to find an equivalent benchmark that would work without going through natives and yield equivalent results

tacit briar Sep 11, 2018, 6:14 PM

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makes sense

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Maybe one day I'll try to assess my English skills. Right now I have leider zu viel Spaß bei einer anderen Sprache 😉

whole pecan Sep 11, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Lol

solid crystal Sep 12, 2018, 8:46 PM

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@foggy prism your intonation in English isnt wonky

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Afaik??

foggy prism Sep 12, 2018, 8:47 PM

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it is a bit

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I do a lot of upspeak :P

solid crystal Sep 12, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Cough youre just a valley girl cough

foggy prism Sep 12, 2018, 8:47 PM

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while that is a thing in some englishes I’m fairly certain I just copied it from swiss german

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cause swiss german has two different intonation patterns fro declaratives

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you end high if you’re gonna continue

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and low if you’re done

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I’ve even noticed this when I was trying to record myself in praat

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I’d say a sentence three times and the last one would have a different melody

solid crystal Sep 12, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Hm i cant tell if i do that too or not

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But MY intonation is wonky

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I apply a pitch accent :/

foggy prism Sep 12, 2018, 8:49 PM

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you don’t have as silly a type 2 accent as standard swedish tho right

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with the “double peak” pattern

solid crystal Sep 12, 2018, 8:50 PM

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I do accent 1

foggy prism Sep 12, 2018, 8:50 PM

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that’s pretty much identical to english pattern tho no?

solid crystal Sep 12, 2018, 8:50 PM

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For english words

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Yr

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Ye

foggy prism Sep 12, 2018, 8:50 PM

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then where’s the issue?

solid crystal Sep 12, 2018, 8:50 PM

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When i wanna sound silly i use accent 2

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I guess nowhere

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But i dont sound native

foggy prism Sep 12, 2018, 8:51 PM

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fair

solid crystal Sep 12, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Also Yeah my accent 2 has two peaks but the first peak is so slight that it might aswell just be 1 peak

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Its more of a plateau rather than a Peak

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Rising > plateau > rising > fall

jade helm Sep 13, 2018, 10:25 AM

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Deutschland:

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📎 unknown.png

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Schweiz:

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📎 unknown.png

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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_der_menschlichen_Entwicklung#Index_der_menschlichen_Entwicklung_2016_–_Rangliste

Index der menschlichen Entwicklung

Der Index der menschlichen Entwicklung (englisch Human Development Index, abgekürzt HDI) der Vereinten Nationen ist ein Wohlstandsindikator für Staaten. Der HDI wird seit 1990 im jährlich erscheinenden Bericht über die menschliche Entwicklung (englisch Human Development R...

tight kelp Sep 13, 2018, 10:53 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI
this seems better (no german page)

List of countries by inequality-adjusted HDI

This is a list of countries by inequality-adjusted human development index (IHDI), as published by the UNDP in its 2016 Human Development Report. According to the 2016 Report, "The IHDI can be interpreted as the level of human development when inequality is accounted for," wh...

pastel sorrel Sep 13, 2018, 12:26 PM

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Whats the thing you have to attend to get into uni in Germany?

viral geyser Sep 13, 2018, 1:53 PM

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Abitur

exotic barn Sep 13, 2018, 1:55 PM

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/Fachabitur/Besuch eines Studienkollegs

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depends on your situation

warped hazel Sep 13, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Any tips on the Aufnahmepruefung for STKs ?

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Due to the excessive and growing pressure on public STKs the competitivity is rather one of the highest so I really need some help from you guys veterans for me to be a relevant candidate and hence to have a chance at taking place on one of the STKs

viral geyser Sep 13, 2018, 1:57 PM

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STK?

warped hazel Sep 13, 2018, 1:58 PM

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stk = studienkolleg

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abkuerzung

karmic yew Sep 13, 2018, 2:43 PM

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is Aldi better or worse than Rewe?

exotic barn Sep 13, 2018, 2:44 PM

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depends, aldi is a discounter

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it's like your local asda

karmic yew Sep 13, 2018, 2:45 PM

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mm
so its cheaper but offers less variety and/or mostly sells stuff in larger quantities?

exotic barn Sep 13, 2018, 2:46 PM

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aldi doesn't really differ much from rewe but some things are cheaper

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you'll also find more off-brand items in aldi

karmic yew Sep 13, 2018, 2:47 PM

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thx

fleet pelican Sep 13, 2018, 2:59 PM

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And meat and fish of dubious quality

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 4:44 AM

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does anybody have any particular advice when it comes to choosing which bank to get a bank account with in Germany? I arrive in 5 days and that's one of the first things I need to do

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when I made my US bank account I just used the same bank as my parents but without parents I have to choose one on my own and I've not really got any idea how

tight kelp Sep 14, 2018, 6:14 AM

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I just went with postbank because they didn't give me any trouble and I have one near home.

hidden briar Sep 14, 2018, 6:16 AM

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Take a look at reddits r/germany FAQ about banks

crude thicket Sep 14, 2018, 8:04 AM

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for otto when i pay using vorkasse

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how long does it take after payment is processed from my bank for it to show up on their system

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i used the payment reference they gave me

viral geyser Sep 14, 2018, 8:48 AM

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@humble bough @tight kelp It pays off to take a deeper look. Banks tend to let you pay for an account, some still don't take fees.

tight kelp Sep 14, 2018, 9:25 AM

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yeah but i couldn't, there were bureaucratic problems and stuff, it took me literal months to get an account <.<

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but i suppose it was a special case

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 2:58 PM

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@hidden briar Didn't know that existed! very helpful. Luckily it seems German and American banks function rather similarly.

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apparently I need a visa to get a bank account tho so guess that goes on the back burner for now

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 3:09 PM

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how exactly are you going to Germany without a visa?

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when I went to brazil I had to get that ahead of time

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 3:10 PM

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US Pass I guess ?

ember shoal Sep 14, 2018, 5:13 PM

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what happened to Germany? why this drop in HDI ranking?
or more like, the others got better :S

📎 unknown.png

viral geyser Sep 14, 2018, 5:32 PM

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📎 Aliens.jpg

karmic yew Sep 14, 2018, 5:44 PM

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probably random fluctuation?

tight kelp Sep 14, 2018, 5:44 PM

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interesting how italy is the only one in top 35 countries to have actually lost score

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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is it the states?

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:41 PM

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how exactly are you going to Germany without a visa?
Americans don't need a visa to enter Germany; you just need to get a residence permit (which is confusingly often also called a visa informally) within 90 days of arriving in Germany

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Yup, perks of having a supreme pass/nationality XD

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:42 PM

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also, I got an email back from someone at the university and I think the visa it said I needed for enrollment was the kind Americans don't need :D

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so I don't have two things that require each other to submit their paperwork lol

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:42 PM

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You guys don't even have to go through Studienkolleg aka the preparatory classes for Uni access

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:43 PM

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I wouldn't know; I've already got a bachelor's degree so I don't think that's relevant to me

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Ahh, true that.

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:43 PM

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also I leave in five days AHHH

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:44 PM

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gg

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Viel Erfolg cuz Viel Glück is only for idiots XD

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:44 PM

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😄

tight kelp Sep 14, 2018, 6:46 PM

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that sounds a bit harsch

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harsch
wow me

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Nah rather more realistic XD

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Holding your bachelor first then going to Germany is pretty much a perfect plan, you have your concrete way waiting for you no doubts of prospects or anything so you're perfectly focused and ready

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:48 PM

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well I'm pretty low-level in German, I wouldn't have been able to get into a german bachelor's degree anyway lol

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Still since you're going for a Master I'd recommend B2-C1

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:49 PM

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not that I would've thought of doing so; I didn't start thinking of going to Germany until I saw a poster about it in my school's ling department

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lol I'm still low A2 atm

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Np, time goes super fast

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I feel like I were an A1 just yesterday

tight kelp Sep 14, 2018, 6:49 PM

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I don't believe in luck myself but saying something like that makes it sound like you're calling idiots either all who say viel Glück or all those who "need" it

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:49 PM

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but my degree's in English, I just need to catch up quickly once I'm there to survive lol

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Now I'm super close to start with C1

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:51 PM

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nothing more helpful for learning german than tossing yourself onto the streets of germany lol

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at least I hope so

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Exactly

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That's why it sucks coming off an african country

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like mine. No chance at going to germany first and foremost for the language itself

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 6:53 PM

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I mean I'm going to germany first and foremost for the "getting a master's degree for free" but secondmost is def the language lol!

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Americans don't need a visa to enter Germany; you just need to get a residence permit (which is confusingly often also called a visa informally) within 90 days of arriving in Germany
I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t have needed a visa to enter Brazil, but yes to enter Brazil and not return for a longer time period and live there

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I had to go to the brazilian embassy ahead of time

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 7:35 PM

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it's a country-by-country thing; Americans just technically don't need visas at all, just residence permits if we wanna stay a while. I actually can't get a residence permit before I'm already in Germany because you need to have your address registration to get the residence permit

warped hazel Sep 14, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Yup gotta find accomodation first then get an 'Anmeldung' as they call it

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 7:36 PM

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yep! my anmeldung appointment's already made though, I go in Friday afternoon

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(next friday obvs)

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:40 PM

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@humble bough hallo! dass du deutsch gelehren ich wusste nicht

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:41 PM

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ich meine… sie zieht diese Woche auf Deutschland…

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:41 PM

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zieht?

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:41 PM

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umziehen

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(frag nicht, wo das “um” ist)

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:41 PM

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um? :^)

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:42 PM

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nennen wir’s Helvetismus

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Johannes, wieso lernst du eigentlich Standarddeutsch, das passt nicht zu dir

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:43 PM

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es gibt keine "ziehen" in (north germanic languages)

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ich hab deutsch im schule

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teacher corrected me when i dropped final -e

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swamp told me they are 100% optional

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 8:47 PM

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sascha told me the same thing but like English classes teach you not to end sentences with prepositions so I assume German classes sometimes teach you rules that aren't real too

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:48 PM

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atleast my teacher isn't prescribing french r

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austria here i come

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 8:49 PM

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my teacher was basically just "don't use english r pls"

red fog Sep 14, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Not ending sentences with prepositions is dumb prescriptivism

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:49 PM

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@foggy prism whats the fuckiest german dialect, high or low

humble bough Sep 14, 2018, 8:49 PM

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truth my snail friend

red fog Sep 14, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Some smartass thought imposing Latin grammar rules was a good idea

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:50 PM

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hm good question johannes

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:50 PM

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i can dabble some on the side

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but obviously my main focus will be the thing i am getting grades for

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:50 PM

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I’d say the swiss german dialect of one of my friends ^^

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:50 PM

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shoel?

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:50 PM

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no

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rey, classmate of mine

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:50 PM

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what he do

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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she and uh

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ai → ua

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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lmao

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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(or oa, u, o)

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(couldn’t find rules)

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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is she bavarian

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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swiss german, from the border with austria

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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makes sense

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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(but the other side of the border isn’t bavarian yet)

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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waitwhat

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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(westernmost austria is alemannic)

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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i call migrations or assimilation

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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no, historical bullshit

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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no way there was another ai > ua

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or oa

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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anyway so I asked her some words

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right

hidden briar Sep 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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The guys who wanted to be Swiss

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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e.g. stein (stue)

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allein (alue)

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eins (ues)

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weiss (woss)

red fog Sep 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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thinking_cat

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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and then I ask the real question

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ein Ei

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and you know what I get back?

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an Aier

red fog Sep 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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wtf

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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masculine

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and with -er

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at which point another friend interjected “no it’s as Aier“

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(neuter, but still with that -er)

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:54 PM

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NotLikeThis

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:54 PM

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pretty much my reaction

red fog Sep 14, 2018, 8:54 PM

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What do you say?

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:54 PM

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as Ai

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she also has a shitload of dialectal words that like… no one understands

solid crystal Sep 14, 2018, 8:55 PM

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oh that reminds me, i found a dialect book for a dialect that is extremely similar to mine, and it seems to have some historical VC: > V:C fuckery that is, as far as i know, entirely unheard of elsewhere

foggy prism Sep 14, 2018, 8:56 PM

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the only one I can currently remember is Ägest for Elster

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(magpie)

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and a few words she says confuse me even after having heard them for hundreds of times

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primarily mettig (mittag)

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which sounds to me like mentig (montag)

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but for that she says mientig I think

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let’s go to #dialects tho

tight kelp Sep 14, 2018, 9:01 PM

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yum, mettig

exotic barn Sep 15, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Do i need to first find an apartment before i can open a bank account in germany?

tight kelp Sep 15, 2018, 2:26 PM

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yes, you need an address you can do Anmeldung with

exotic barn Sep 15, 2018, 2:26 PM

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How can i provide schufa then???

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Most landlords require you to provide schufa, right?

tight kelp Sep 15, 2018, 2:29 PM

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i never had to

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went through an airbnb and the landlord allowed me to rent long-term with a contract later

exotic barn Sep 15, 2018, 2:29 PM

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I see 🤔

tight kelp Sep 15, 2018, 2:30 PM

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i think you can temporarily anmeld to an airbnb or similar place that doesn't require you a contract, get a bank account, then get a more permanent place

warped hazel Sep 15, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Some tips on finding accommodation quicker ?

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I'll be using Wggesucht

tight kelp Sep 15, 2018, 2:31 PM

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there's no quicker way than the usual websites, unless you know a friend who can accommodate you

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just use more than one websites and you'll have better chances

exotic barn Sep 15, 2018, 2:31 PM

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No tips, finding an accommodation in germany is so fooking hard >.>

tight kelp Sep 15, 2018, 2:31 PM

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it is

warped hazel Sep 15, 2018, 2:31 PM

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ikr :'v

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Alright what websites I am lacking here

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I got wggesucht already

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don't even know what i'm going to do once i arrive in germany jaja

exotic barn Sep 15, 2018, 2:32 PM

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I sent like 20 emails and got 3 replies. Of which only one place asked me to meet them

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Try fb groups?

tight kelp Sep 15, 2018, 2:33 PM

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sorry i lost the list of websites i used

warped hazel Sep 15, 2018, 2:33 PM

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Oh yep there's immoscout too

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and jugendherberge.de

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got these rn

exotic barn Sep 15, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Idk jugendherberge, is it good?

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When are you moving to germany? 👀

warped hazel Sep 15, 2018, 2:41 PM

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I sadly can't answer that question thanks to the miserable visa process we've got here

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but assumingly I should be able to go somewhere 20ish January

exotic barn Sep 15, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Icic good luck! :o

warped hazel Sep 15, 2018, 2:43 PM

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^^

rain panther Sep 15, 2018, 2:58 PM

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I had luck cuz i got relatives in germany

warped hazel Sep 15, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Lucky you c:

tacit briar Sep 15, 2018, 9:36 PM

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A pretty fast method is to visit an agent and pay him to find something for you. Much easier and quicker, but also more expensive solution.

warped hazel Sep 16, 2018, 1:10 AM

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True that!

ember shoal Sep 16, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Why this: https://www.dw.com/en/eu-to-stop-changing-the-clocks-in-2019/a-45495680

DW.COM

EU to stop changing the clocks in 2019 | DW | 14.09.2018

The EU is doing away with the twice-yearly clock changes and has given member states until April to decide if they will remain on summer or winter time. But there are fears Europe is heading for time-zone chaos.

tight kelp Sep 16, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Because it's bs, it was high time we stopped with that

tacit briar Sep 16, 2018, 6:44 AM

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But why letting the states to decide if they stay in winter or summer time? Sounds a bit crazy.

tight kelp Sep 16, 2018, 6:56 AM

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winter/summer time is a confusing term. It's the daylight savings time, where you put the clock one hour ahead or behind

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it does sound a little daft to allow for discrepancies between countries

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just force the one closer to actual time; it doesn't take much to adapt to it if you have to change, and then you're permanently set instead of getting headaches for formal time changes every time you cross a border

tacit briar Sep 16, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Yeah, I mean, let's just stay permanently in our respective time zones, what's the point of using a time from a zone ahead (aka summer time aka dst)?

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And what if Spain decides to stay in UTC+1, France to go +2 and Germany to stay in +1 too? It'll all get crazy.

exotic barn Sep 16, 2018, 7:32 AM

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I see the politicians are having great ideas again. :^)

viral geyser Sep 16, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Not really. This is something where the politicians started something the people wanted themselves.

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They asked them and they responded. Now they get what they want ¯_(ツ)_/¯

exotic barn Sep 16, 2018, 8:25 AM

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I was referring to the part where each country chooses by themselves

viral geyser Sep 16, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Okay. But same thing, I guess.

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Somebody will be dissatisfied. Every time. No matter what you choose. 😄

exotic barn Sep 16, 2018, 8:27 AM

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But setting one time for most countries is the lesser evil :^)

viral geyser Sep 16, 2018, 8:30 AM

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This would be the objectively best solution.

📎 Zeitzonen.jpg

fleet pelican Sep 16, 2018, 8:33 AM

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But it also means a country could have three time zones

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You could cross the street to work and it would be 1 hour later

viral geyser Sep 16, 2018, 8:34 AM

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It must be a shame to live in Russia or the US.

fleet pelican Sep 16, 2018, 8:35 AM

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Lmfao I was thinking the same but I'm sure it's not just a system of straight lines

viral geyser Sep 16, 2018, 8:35 AM

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The only country I know big enough to be in multiple time zones and just shrug at the sight of it is China.

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📎 Standard_World_Time_Zones.png

fleet pelican Sep 16, 2018, 8:36 AM

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That's like

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4 I'm counting

viral geyser Sep 16, 2018, 8:38 AM

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They should be in four or five but they just say "fuck it, let's just have one" 😄

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Iceland is funny, too 😄

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"You are in UTC -1."
"How about no?"

pallid rivet Sep 16, 2018, 9:16 AM

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then there's utc+14

sullen robin Sep 16, 2018, 3:40 PM

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@exotic barn Lots of people have went through the process, you can ask about it here. Are you applying through Erasmus?

exotic barn Sep 16, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Nope I'm planning on applying on my own,since not many companies are working with german Unis

kindred yew Sep 16, 2018, 10:44 PM

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why change the time when you can just say: we open earlier during the summer

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or later during winter

viral geyser Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 AM

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📎 Mind_Blown.gif

grim brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Is germany one of the best place of the world for LGBTs?

humble bough Sep 17, 2018, 3:18 PM

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that seems subjective

warped hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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I've been told that Köln is (city wise), not sure though.

humble bough Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Most of the lists and rankings I can find rank Germany quite high but not even close to one of the highest when it comes to LGBT issues

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Malta, France, Belgium, the Nordic countries, Spain, and the Netherlands all beat Germany out in p much every ranking I've found

tight kelp Sep 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

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even if overall Germany is quite good in terms of LGBT quality of life, it still depends heavily on the region and place

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cities are generally better than the countryside, and some bundeslands are better than others

iron hazel Sep 17, 2018, 4:45 PM

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I've heard Bavaria is one of those socially more conservative lands?

hardy wren Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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the most*

iron hazel Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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But even then I think it's still not as conservative socially as eg. Poland, isn't it?

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I have a friend who emmigrated to Bavaria from Poland and he still says that it's less socially conservative

hardy wren Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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oh i thought you were talking german lands

iron hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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German lands

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But even the most conservative German land isn't as conservative as some other countries often regarded as socially conservative, isn't it?

tight kelp Sep 17, 2018, 5:06 PM

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I think somewhere around Sachsen is potentially the worst land an LGBT+ could find himself especially as of late, but it's something I think mostly because of hearsay, the media and lack of evidence for the opposite.

iron hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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It might also be that some towns or places are ok even in generally conservative areas

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My small town in Poland is rather progressive

grim brook Sep 17, 2018, 5:33 PM

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thanks for giving information. actually meine Kumpelin(vorher mein Kumpel) is seriously considering an immigration.

tight kelp Sep 17, 2018, 5:34 PM

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I've been pretty lucky myself, immigrating with my boyfriend having plans to get married. The same year we immigrated, a national law was passed that put same-sex marriage to the same level as traditional marriage with no more exceptions

jagged charm Sep 17, 2018, 5:40 PM

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nice

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 6:10 PM

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you were the deciding factor 👀

tight kelp Sep 17, 2018, 6:17 PM

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ofc

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it's secretly true that gay people make countries gay

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even though i'm not fully gay

foggy prism Sep 17, 2018, 6:20 PM

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so you’re saying you’re fake and gay?

tight kelp Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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no i'm just bisexual

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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so you're saying you're fake and bi?

tight kelp Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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is this a reference to something entong

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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yeah

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sorry bb we love u really

tight kelp Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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what is it denn

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now i'm curious

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 6:23 PM

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https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fake-and-gay

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and people say this server isnt educational

solemn bay Sep 17, 2018, 6:28 PM

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@tight kelp ❤

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 11:01 PM

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@dire karma dyknow how legal it is to keep pets in a one bedroom apartment in austria, I know in germany its illegal but if I ever wanna keep a good boy its prolly only ever gonna be in those conditions 👀

dire karma Sep 17, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Well, it has to be okay with your vermieter

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if they don't allow it, then it's already off the table

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 11:03 PM

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ofc ofc

dire karma Sep 17, 2018, 11:04 PM

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So far all I see is. The room must be clean, you must have enough food, you have to have enough cat toilets and if you have an indoor-outdoor cat, it must be castrated unless it's registered as a breeding animal

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You must have a device for nail sharpening, a retreat spot for your cat, the windows must be secured if you have a cat

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🤷

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but tbh, nobody is going to look that much into it

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Just really depends on the vermieter. Dogs are much stricter

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 11:06 PM

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yeye, thank you so much darlin

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does anyone come to inspect conditions or is it more

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'if we catch you doing it you're in trouble'

dire karma Sep 17, 2018, 11:07 PM

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and no think not really. There are some organizations that when you want to adopt a cat, they will inspect your place first

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Unless you get tons of complaints from a neighbor perhaps, I doubt anything will really happen, just a shelter might deny you due to living environment. But there are always farmers that give cats away and private people

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and the farmers also give away a lot of cheap cats think like 50/cat or smth

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 11:10 PM

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farmers bc their cats bang a lot?

dire karma Sep 17, 2018, 11:10 PM

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not shabby

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Yeah, or they just find them wandering around

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 11:10 PM

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lmfao bless

dire karma Sep 17, 2018, 11:10 PM

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some give them away and some just sell them for a tiny amount of money

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I'd just look into getting a private one if I were you

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and around Wien there are tons of cats 👀 willhaben

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https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen-und-verkaufen/marktplatz/katzen-4968?areaId=900

willhaben.at

Katzen | willhaben

Angebote in Katzen. Günstig kaufen und gratis inserieren auf willhaben - der größte Marktplatz Österreichs.

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 11:11 PM

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OH I KNOW

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I LOOKED THERE YESTERDAY LMAO

dire karma Sep 17, 2018, 11:11 PM

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Just where it says Anbieter, make sure it doesn't say Tierheim xxx

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

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ofc ofc

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thank you sweetheart, you're such a big help

dire karma Sep 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

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❤ np, I hope you can get a kitty 😄

fleet pelican Sep 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

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me too yo 👀

dire karma Sep 17, 2018, 11:13 PM

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😍 cats are love

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 9:15 AM

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Did some people here go in a german country during their studies ? (Erasmus or other program)

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 5:09 PM

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As an eu-citizen, when i move to germany and get a flat, do i just registered myself at a Ausländer Behörde?

tight kelp Sep 18, 2018, 5:10 PM

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no you just need the anmeldung and, if you're there permanently/long-term, at your country's consulate

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 5:22 PM

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What’s an Anmeldung? So far, i just have a Mietvertrag
I’ll be staying for a year

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:26 PM

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I think you need to sign up (I don’t know how else to say it) if you stay more than 3 months or 6

fiery edge Sep 18, 2018, 5:26 PM

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You need to go to the local Rathaus/Bürgeramt to register your current address

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Or something like that

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Yeah so your original government know that you’re in there and the local government know where you are and is aware of your position

fleet pelican Sep 18, 2018, 5:30 PM

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@alpine cypress I'm doing one in Austria

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Omg you’re perfect

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Studying only or an internship ?

fleet pelican Sep 18, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Studying

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Doing a course as an non degree student

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So as soon as I'm finished I'm popped into uni normally

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:32 PM

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It sounds so cool, I want to go to Austria next year for an internship and I wanted to know more about Erasmus

fleet pelican Sep 18, 2018, 5:33 PM

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No clue ab Erasmus, but they're super open to foreign study

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Unfortunately I can’t study where I want, my uni has a partnership with Graz only and I want Innsbruck but the internship is where I want

fleet pelican Sep 18, 2018, 5:34 PM

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You think you can get in contact W Innsbruck

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Well I think that they won’t accept me because my uni doesn’t have a partnership with them

fleet pelican Sep 18, 2018, 5:35 PM

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It's worth a try

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Well technically there is one but it’s for german bachelor in France

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True I should try

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 5:40 PM

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I found some info that i just sign up at a Meldebehörde? @tight kelp

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Einwohnermeldeamt

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Is that the same thing, oxi? Is it at a Rathaus?

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yeah it usually is there

tight kelp Sep 18, 2018, 5:43 PM

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oxi xD

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nully can i use you to wash my laundry next time?

fleet pelican Sep 18, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Fucking rofl

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 5:43 PM

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What about the consulate tho??? Do i have to go there too? I didn’t find anything about it

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uh I doubt you need to go there

viral geyser Sep 18, 2018, 5:44 PM

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For what purpose?

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 5:48 PM

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I asked if i need to go to Ausländer Behörde to register for residency if I’m an eu citizen and berzi said i need to go to the consulate???

viral geyser Sep 18, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Euh pffh...I doubt it. The consulate should give you a new passport if you need it or provide you assistance if you get jailed.

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:51 PM

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I just checked and for french citizens you need to register at the consulate (you can do online) so I don’t know about you

viral geyser Sep 18, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Oh wow.

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 5:53 PM

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@alpine cypress could you provide a source for that?

jagged charm Sep 18, 2018, 5:53 PM

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yeah i don't understand why the consulate

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:54 PM

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It’s the french government website, I don’t understand either they just say that ^^’

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https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/services-aux-citoyens/inscription-consulaire-registre-des-francais-etablis-hors-de-france/ you don’t HAVE TO but it’s highly recommended

France Diplomatie : : Ministère de l'Europe et des Affaires étrangères

Inscription consulaire (Registre des Français établis hors de Fr...

On estime à 2.5 millions le nombre de Français résidant à l'étranger. Près d'1,7 millions d'entre eux sont inscrits auprès des services consulaires. (…)

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 5:54 PM

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At the Czech ministry website, i only saw “meldebehörde” maybe it’s different for each country

alpine cypress Sep 18, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Maybe

jagged charm Sep 18, 2018, 5:56 PM

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the uk website just says you need to register at the Einwohnermeldeamt

tight kelp Sep 18, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@exotic barn the thing about the consulate is separate. Honestly it depends on your country of origin. For mine, I had to register myself in something called AIRE (basically a register of Italian citizens living abroad)

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Oh, so it was Einwohnermeldeamt + AIRE for you?

tight kelp Sep 18, 2018, 6:38 PM

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among other things, it's needed for example to be able to vote for elections in your country

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yes

exotic barn Sep 18, 2018, 6:38 PM

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I see, thanks!

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 1:02 PM

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📎 IMG_20180920_0901153172.jpg

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The Ultimate punishment

viral geyser Sep 20, 2018, 1:26 PM

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BWAHAHAHA

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Was it your doing?

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 1:42 PM

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We were doing declaration of independence in us history lol

whole root Sep 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Hallo, I am planning to move to Germany when I am done to school to start university. Can anyone tell me good Computer Science universities, and perhaps assist me with understanding the admission requirements, living there and all please?

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 5:54 PM

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haupTUni

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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I'm at the uni application process too and Darmstadt was recommended to me

tight kelp Sep 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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that's not in germany

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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oh yeah wien is 🇦🇹 xd

tight kelp Sep 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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(i mean tu wien)

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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honlol

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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thats the joke GWsetmyxPeepoSad

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I heard karlsruhe is amazing, it only requires b1 too

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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la marseillaise intensiviert

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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technical universities are also likely to be much much better

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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I have to go through a Studienkolleg first though GWsetmyxPeepoSad

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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DORTMUND

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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really it depends more on location and pricing of what you want

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the vast majority of courses in germany are, exactly the same?

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Beste Stadt, bester Verein

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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unless you're tlking technical unis and normal unis

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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TU for computer science is the perfect way ofc

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TU Darmstadt

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imo

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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^ it will almos talways be recommended

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not darmstadt, TU

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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TU Dortmund

tight kelp Sep 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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civil war meme

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 5:58 PM

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du biene GWvertiPeepoSadMan

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Dortmund: erster Division, gute Fans
Darmstadt: einfach scheiße

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nett hier

tacit briar Sep 20, 2018, 6:04 PM

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...aber waren Sie schon in Baden-Würtemberg?

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Woohoo

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Uebr. Gibt's gute Universitäten in Baden-Württemberg?

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Ich glaub' Uni Heidelberg ist 'ner der besten für Medizin

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 6:07 PM

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echt?

whole root Sep 20, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Ahhh so karlsruhe and TU? @fleet pelican @warped hazel

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do you know the admission requirements and so?

tacit briar Sep 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Ich glaube sie sind. Die TU in Karlsruhe ist ziemlich gut bekannt (so viel ich weiß)

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Heidelberg liegt in Baden-Württemberg?

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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@whole root not a clue, and it will vary depending on the uni

tacit briar Sep 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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@whole pecan Ja, bei der Grenze mit Hessen

exotic barn Sep 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Heidelberg is well known for medicine, yeah

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Jo

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Gucken Sie mal dran: https://www.studying-in-germany.org/top-german-universities-to-study-medicine/

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whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Oh

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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I only know karlsruhe is one of the few who will ask for such a low german certificate

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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@whole root For Darmstadt you're going to need a B1 in German

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If you're opting for a Studienkolleg only tho

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I don't know what's required for Direktstudium sadly

fleet pelican Sep 20, 2018, 6:10 PM

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for all studienkollegs its b1 I believe?

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Some raised the req to B2

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such as Hamburg and Greifswald

whole root Sep 20, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Ohh B1

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Yeah

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500-600 Stunden Deutschunterricht

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Wait so self-learnt doesn't count?

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:12 PM

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If you get your B1 as a self learner then why not ?

jagged charm Sep 20, 2018, 6:12 PM

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self-learnt counts but you have to still do the test lol

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 6:12 PM

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So how will you calculate the hours

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Oh phew

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Ok

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Well in the EU system I think B1 is agreed to be around 500-600 hours of german studying

jagged charm Sep 20, 2018, 6:13 PM

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all they care about is the results not how much effort you put in XD

whole root Sep 20, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Yeah I’m planning to take the B1, I don’t take classes so will it be an issue for the german lessons hours?

tacit briar Sep 20, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Komm schon, niemand wir nach die Stunden fragen, solange du ein Zertifikat hast

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Yep^

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Egal ob du es in 600 oder 6000 Std schaffst

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Letzten Endes nur das Zerti ist wichtig

whole pecan Sep 20, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Of how things are done ingermany I wouldn't be surprised if they did count every hour lol

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:14 PM

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lmao

whole root Sep 20, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Do you perhaps know what do they require for british systems?

tacit briar Sep 20, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Wie würdest du dann die Leute bewerten, die hier seit Kindheit wohnen und die Sprache perfekt beherrschen, sind trotzdem nicht Muttersprachler?

whole root Sep 20, 2018, 6:15 PM

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As in the subjects and the grades

warped hazel Sep 20, 2018, 6:16 PM

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If your secondary school certificate is acknowledged by German Unis then the only req left is a language certificate

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for my case it isn't so I have to go through STK

jagged charm Sep 20, 2018, 6:17 PM

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i expect they'll require A-levels or at least BTEC?

whole root Sep 20, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Ohh I see

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Yeah I’m taking A-levels

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But

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It depends on what and how many do they want

jagged charm Sep 20, 2018, 6:18 PM

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just look some unis up and see

potent pike Sep 20, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Hello everyone 👋

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can someone give me a hint where can I find an updated version of the 🇩🇪 Wage Law ? What's it called? Is it Lohn-Gesetz ?

exotic barn Sep 21, 2018, 4:46 PM

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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsrecht_(Deutschland) this probably provides a good overview of the whole topic

simple wagon Sep 21, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Unsure where to properly ask this, but can someone give me some Insight into german dialects in use today?

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Found the Channel, nevermind. My bad

exotic barn Sep 22, 2018, 12:17 PM

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In Scandinavian countries, many laws contain "general clauses" which allows the courts to make somewhat subjective judgements to compensate for an unforeseeable development in the market/enviornment. I was wondering if such a thing exsists in the german marketing law. And if the german marketing law has been "rewritten" recently to obey EU standards?

viral geyser Sep 22, 2018, 12:54 PM

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So it begins
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pseudo hull Sep 22, 2018, 5:53 PM

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I have a german culture/customs question about payment.

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When I was in München, I went to a restaurant, had food, and was paying in cash. I had some coins that were each worth less than 10 euro cents. (1, 2, 5 I think.) I went to see if I had exact change with these coins, and the waitress told me something to the effect of "No brown coins. This isn't a supermarket." So I paid with larger coins/bills.

Is it common to not use smaller coins when paying?

viral geyser Sep 22, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Never happened to me.

exotic barn Sep 22, 2018, 6:02 PM

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I think they dont want it cuz 10 cents is almost nothing and it just weighs down the wallet

viral geyser Sep 22, 2018, 6:03 PM

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It's quite the opposite what I've seen - they are happy if they don't have to calculate the change.

knotty lava Sep 22, 2018, 6:08 PM

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restaurant
for paying in a restaurant it definitely is weird. and you only get change in a restaurant if say it cost 36€, give them a 50€ bill and say "make that 40" so the little coins wouldn't come into play either
also this maybe
München

tacit briar Sep 22, 2018, 6:24 PM

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It sounds like the waitress had a bad day. Or maybe the number of coins was so huge that counting them would take very long time?

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I mean, if you'd like to give 50 x 5 cent, you could expect that the waiter may get a bit irritated

tight kelp Sep 22, 2018, 6:42 PM

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here they even ask me if i have the small change if the total price isn't round

knotty lava Sep 22, 2018, 6:43 PM

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in restaurants?

pseudo hull Sep 22, 2018, 6:43 PM

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This all makes sense, thanks! I don't normally pay in cash, but I paid almost entirely in cash when I was in Germany, so I didn't think about it. I don't think I paid with a lot of coins. I had one or two bills, a couple Euro coins, and then a few smaller coins.

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I wasn't bringing a money bag filled with Euro cents or anything.

tight kelp Sep 22, 2018, 6:48 PM

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I mean, I think i speak for all Europeans when I say brown coins are the antichrist and should be melted into an enormous penis-shaped statue to replace the Eiffel Tower to give them a better use

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but it's not on you or any other payer who finds himself getting rid of them, it's on the EU for not finding a better solution

pseudo hull Sep 22, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Agreed from an American perspective. I just haven't seen people flat out reject smaller coins if it's not a sack of pennies.

tight kelp Sep 22, 2018, 6:50 PM

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you can be sure it was just an odd encounter, you wouldn't be treated that way for something like this usually

pseudo hull Sep 22, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Alright, sounds good. I think that moment was the only time it happened. Also got guilt-tripped into tipping from a Munich restaurant, but it was also just one time, like the coin thing.

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Thanks for the help!

tight kelp Sep 22, 2018, 6:53 PM

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you're welcome, i did nothing but disrespect a french monument in the name of rightful coinage

viral geyser Sep 22, 2018, 7:56 PM

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@tight kelp No, I don't agree. I might say I strongly disagree. But perhaps I'm just buying too many things at the Bäckerei where I use them a lot.

fleet pelican Sep 23, 2018, 12:07 AM

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lol I once gave a waitress and entire handful of coins 1-10 cent coins that me and 0x1 scavenged from our purses

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and it was only for a latte so god help what she thought of us

tacit briar Sep 23, 2018, 2:28 AM

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@viral geyser Was sind die billigsten Sachen, die du bei der Bäckerei kaufst? Wäre es nicht genug, 0,10€ als die kleinste Münze zu haben?

humble bough Sep 23, 2018, 3:03 AM

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I've been in Germany less than a week and I've handled cash more than I ever have in my adult life

warped hazel Sep 23, 2018, 3:03 AM

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Xd

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@humble bough How's the pursuit of accommodation so far

humble bough Sep 23, 2018, 3:04 AM

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I'm subletting a place through the end of October and looking for a place afterwards; might've found a friend of current roommate who's willing to WG with me but it's still up in the air

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if this doesn't work out I might just schill out for one of the expensive "we house students" things for this year

warped hazel Sep 23, 2018, 3:05 AM

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hope you get to find WG

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they're the best opportunity especially for language practice 😄

humble bough Sep 23, 2018, 3:05 AM

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ty so do I lol

warped hazel Sep 23, 2018, 3:06 AM

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you found that through airbnb ? @humble bough

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still not sure how to find the first accommodation tbh 😄

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I was recommended jugendherberge.de / ebay kleineanzeigen and airbnb so far

humble bough Sep 23, 2018, 3:10 AM

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I found the first one through WG-Gesucht and honestly just got lucky

warped hazel Sep 23, 2018, 3:11 AM

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nice, was it an english speaker by the way ?

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my friend told me that ppl who he contacted on wg gesucht often said that their offers expired or just never answered when he contacted them through email

humble bough Sep 23, 2018, 3:12 AM

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oh yeah 99% of them didn't respond or said it was taken but I sent out a lot of requests

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most WG gesucht ads apparently get easily 80-100 offers immediately upon being posted so you've always got a lot of competition

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my roommates speak English but we communicated in German over email and whatsapp when setting things up (I could use a translator and dictionary for help over text so it wasn't as obvious how bad my german is lol)

warped hazel Sep 23, 2018, 3:14 AM

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oh awesome i like how you get through all of that with ease, must take alot of courage 😄

humble bough Sep 23, 2018, 3:21 AM

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haha "with ease" might not be the most accurate lol

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but thanks

warped hazel Sep 23, 2018, 3:21 AM

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dexterity i'd say then xd

humble bough Sep 23, 2018, 3:23 AM

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haha well we'll see if I'm dextrous enough to not be homeless in november 😅

warped hazel Sep 23, 2018, 3:24 AM

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you should be, as long as you're not in bayern I assume xD

humble bough Sep 23, 2018, 3:30 AM

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nah I'm in Potsdam

warped hazel Sep 23, 2018, 3:31 AM

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awesome 😃

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 5:30 AM

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@humble bough dont give up hope!! It’s also easier to find a flat on wg-gesucht when you’re already in germany and can get an appointment. I hope it will work out for you!

viral geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:30 AM

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@tacit briar Brötchen haben meistens krumme Beträge wie 0,33€ oder 0,37€, Mohnbrötchen gerne mal 0,46€.

hardy wren Sep 23, 2018, 8:31 AM

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bei mir kosten brötchen meist 15¢ oder 20¢

light brook Sep 23, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Ich hab zu erst Euro gelesen. 🤦

hardy wren Sep 23, 2018, 8:38 AM

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lol

viral geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:38 AM

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Inflation hits hard

hardy wren Sep 23, 2018, 8:39 AM

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solang es nicht so schlimm wird wie 1924...

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 8:55 AM

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can someone explain ECTS to me?

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if you do a BSc. in Informatik in germany and its 150ECTS
then can you do any module to get to 150?
well maybe someoen other than you knows, also what channel is this relevent for?

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It should be 180 afaik and each subject (modul? Idk how it’s called at a uni) can have more than 1 credits, some subjects are worth 3, some 15, depends on a uni and a subject
I’m not sure if you can get only part of the credits in one subject or you get 0 if fuck up so ask someone else about this too 👀

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:36 AM

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Could actually be 150
My bachelor is effectively 150. we have to do 180 but the 30 from Wahlbereich don’t count towards the degree. I’m a fan of that personally

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:41 AM

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Interesting 👀

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:41 AM

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@exotic barn
You’ll always have some obligatory modules
Science and arts modules also tend to not be worth any points towards the respective other side unless they’re CS or language modules
Usually there are decent descriptions of how it works on the uni's website, maybe not for English though

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:42 AM

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Ah ok. Because i'm trying to figure out different modules at each university

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in order for me to go on exchange to Germany. I must find modules in Germany that are similar to the ones I need to study

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but some of the german ones have large ECTS and I don't know how big of a workload it will be

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So like i'm figuring out what modules are similar but don't know how big they are in terms of workload

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In australia all modules are the same workload so this is a bit different for me

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:49 AM

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I see
Don’t you have a 'student coordinator' to help you with that? I’d say it depends more on what your faculty in australia has to say than how it works in germany

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:50 AM

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ahaha yes, I sent my faculty an email and they didn't even know what ECTS were

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:50 AM

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All I can say is that the systems differ wildly from uni to uni
In leipzig virtually everything is streamlined to be either 5 or 10 points, other uni have 3,4,5,8 etc

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:50 AM

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and 10 would be double the workload than 5?

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:50 AM

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Yes

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:50 AM

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so you'd do 2 10 point modules

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in a semesteR?

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:51 AM

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1 point equals thirty hours iirc

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:51 AM

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per week?

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:51 AM

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I try to always do three

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Per… point? Idk man I’m just doing my best 😂

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:52 AM

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1 point = 30hrs per week?

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or per semester?

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:52 AM

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Or rater I try to always do 30 points per semester

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So I can theoretically have 180 in six
brb

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:52 AM

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ok thanks for your help!

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 9:57 AM

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I found a description and it literally just says 30 hours per point…
If we assume it means per week then most people in leipzig would have a workload of 900 hours per week 🤔
I don’t think my weeks are even that long

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900 hours per semester on the other hand

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doesn’t sound too bad

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And ects is pan european/eu? system I think

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:59 AM

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ok yes that makes sense

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so if it is 5ects

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i should do 6 of those?

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 10:00 AM

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If it was my bachelor, yes
But I’m not sure about other bachelors
And since you’re just doing a Auslandssemester it’s even harder to say

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 10:05 AM

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ahhaha damn!

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maybe i will just email the german uni's

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and post on reddit

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how many weeks is a semester for you?

knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 10:22 AM

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1./4./15. october till some time in the last week of januay

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And for summer similarly but I can’t remember what the dates were

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 10:25 AM

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ok cool

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 10:47 AM

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ok so turns out

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30ECTS is equivalent to 1 semester of Australian uni aswell

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knotty lava Sep 23, 2018, 10:58 AM

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Is that an exhaustive list of Australian unis?

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 10:59 AM

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yeh its the main ones

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mine isnt there though lol

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But it's the same system as ANU

foggy prism Sep 23, 2018, 11:12 AM

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1 point = 30 hours, not “per anything“

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if a course is worth 10 points then that should be about 300 hours of workload over the duration of the course

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including lecture time, tutorials and self study/assignments

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those are of course very very rough guidelines

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 11:31 AM

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are there english unis in germany

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or courses in english

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cuz I really wanna study there

foggy prism Sep 23, 2018, 11:34 AM

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there are definitely courses in English at the master’s level, from what I can tell just about every university requires knowledge of german for the bachelor’s level and even if one didn’t you need to know german if you want to make friends there

jade helm Sep 23, 2018, 11:48 AM

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@exotic barn maybe this also helps: https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/wiki/studying#green

studying - germany

Reddit gives you the best of the internet in one place. Get a constantly updating feed of breaking news, fun stories, pics, memes, and videos just for you. Passionate about something niche? Reddit has thousands of vibrant communities with people that share your interests. Alt...

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https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/wiki/studying/guide

studying/guide - germany

Reddit gives you the best of the internet in one place. Get a constantly updating feed of breaking news, fun stories, pics, memes, and videos just for you. Passionate about something niche? Reddit has thousands of vibrant communities with people that share your interests. Alt...

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 12:00 PM

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yes, I can communicate in German and survive with what I know now, I can also udnerstand german really well, the only problem is its not good enough for university level academics @foggy prism

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thanks @jade helm thx

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Humboldt in Berlin has german courses however their cut off for language proficiency is pretty low. You can also do an intensive german course there before hand if you don't do too well in the C test

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Hi, does anyone have a link to the german marketing law? i can be in german

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Marketing law?

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Yes

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Im not sure what you call it

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The lwas regulating the behavior of the businesses that are advertising in different media.

tight kelp Sep 23, 2018, 6:54 PM

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question: is it a tradition for food places in DE to always deliver late and mark orders as delivered before they are delivered? Because it's happened to me like every single time except once with a place I know the owner of 🙃

fleet pelican Sep 23, 2018, 7:01 PM

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report for homophobia

glossy rivet Sep 23, 2018, 7:09 PM

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??

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 7:10 PM

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its meant to be a joke

jagged charm Sep 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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i think that happens everywhere tbh

tacit briar Sep 23, 2018, 7:13 PM

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what "food places" are you talking about?

tight kelp Sep 23, 2018, 7:27 PM

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pizzerie and other stuff you order to through apps like Lieferheld or Lieferando

tacit briar Sep 23, 2018, 7:30 PM

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I use these sometimes and it never happened to me. Even their predicted time seems to be almost always fine ( +/- 10 minutes ofc).

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maybe it's different in bigger cities, the traffic there may sometimes prevent deliveries on time, I suppose

tight kelp Sep 23, 2018, 7:52 PM

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what bugged me was that it ended up arriving more than an hour late, from a place that's less than a km away, and they had marked the order as delivered around the expected delivery time instead. So I effectively had no way of knowing whether the thing was going to arrive or not.

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and this has happened multiple times with different places and even different apps

tacit briar Sep 23, 2018, 7:56 PM

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No idea, sorry. The only thing that comes to my mind: leave a nasty comment 😉

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it's definitely not OK to claim something that is not true

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Hi guys. Does anyone have a link to the german "advertising law".

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im not sure if anybody here has any laws tbh

hardy wren Sep 23, 2018, 9:20 PM

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german-laws.gov.de/advertising_law.php

fleet pelican Sep 23, 2018, 9:21 PM

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^ he does

hardy wren Sep 23, 2018, 9:21 PM

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(thats not a real link fyi)

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i dont even think germany uses .gov urls

exotic barn Sep 23, 2018, 9:23 PM

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http://www.easa-alliance.org/members/europe/germany

distant rapids Sep 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

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dach countries?

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what does that mean?

solemn bay Sep 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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Germany, Austria and Switzerland.

warped hazel Sep 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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D= Deutschland
A= Austria
CH= Switzerland

slim fulcrum Sep 24, 2018, 10:04 AM

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How shall I introduce myself to my german neighbours? There is one traditional german man living a floor above me and I think a few younger folk my age downstairs.

distant rapids Sep 24, 2018, 10:05 AM

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why not C H A D?

exotic barn Sep 24, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Do you want to introduce yourself to them?

slim fulcrum Sep 24, 2018, 10:05 AM

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why not DOCH

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Sorta

warped hazel Sep 24, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Because dach is also a word in german that means top/floor which makes this abreviation a little bit easier to remember for germans.

exotic barn Sep 24, 2018, 10:05 AM

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"Hallo, ich bin Ember und gerade in Wohnung X eingezogen. Ich bin Ihr neuer Nachbar"

slim fulcrum Sep 24, 2018, 10:06 AM

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Und ,,Nachbarin", ob ich ein Frau bin?

exotic barn Sep 24, 2018, 10:06 AM

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*wenn und ja

slim fulcrum Sep 24, 2018, 10:06 AM

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thanks

exotic barn Sep 24, 2018, 10:07 AM

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Anytime

knotty lava Sep 24, 2018, 10:07 AM

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und ihre neue* dann

tight kelp Sep 24, 2018, 10:10 AM

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also, Chad is its own country

warped hazel Sep 24, 2018, 10:15 AM

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yeah that^ xd

tacit briar Sep 24, 2018, 10:16 AM

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Jetzt frage ich mich, wie viele Deutschsprachige leben in Chad 🇹🇩 xD

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(ach, ich meine natürlich Tschad)

exotic barn Sep 24, 2018, 10:17 AM

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keinerlei

leaden jacinth Sep 25, 2018, 4:12 PM

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chad reee

tacit briar Sep 25, 2018, 4:12 PM

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*Tschad

potent pike Sep 26, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Hi guys

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does anyone know which government building is responsible for tax related issues from a Land ? In tax issues I'm referring to those regarding salary, tax groups et. al.

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I mean for the Bundes there's BMF, but which one's for the specific Land

exotic barn Sep 26, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Check "Das Landesamt für Steuern"

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if that's what you're looking for

potent pike Sep 26, 2018, 1:38 PM

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checking it now 😃

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yes, this is the one, thank you very much 🙇

slim fulcrum Sep 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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What's the best way to get a new smartphone in Germany? should i sign up for a contract? buy outright?

tacit briar Sep 26, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Ein neues Wahl-O-Mat, diesmal für Hessen: https://www.wahl-o-mat.de/hessen2018/

Wahl-O-Mat zur Landtagswahl 2018 in Hessen | Start

Wahl-O-Mat zur Landtagswahl 2018 in Hessen

silent pilot Sep 26, 2018, 10:34 PM

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(ich pack das mal in #german-only )

viral geyser Sep 27, 2018, 5:13 AM

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@slim fulcrum Bought it outright every time because I don't want to sign a contract for two years. But I use to keep my smartphone 'til it's broke, that is to say more than two years.

slim fulcrum Sep 27, 2018, 5:18 AM

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My lifespan of a smartphone seems to be a year

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But the last phone I had was not my fault my Nexus 6p bootlooped

sullen robin Sep 27, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Just buy it outright and get the cover and screen protector

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Otherwise a contract costs you twice as much as outright, although I suppose the contracts can include data and such

warped atlas Sep 27, 2018, 7:09 AM

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@slim fulcrum I've always bought my phones so far with no contract, but according to my habit with having a smartphone until I somehow submerged it or break the screen till parts of it falls off, I hold them for more than two years also.

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Contracts can also costs more after the two years contract rather than the no contract phone and get the data+phone plan separately

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not to mention the SIM lock thing, which would suck if you travel outside of the EU often

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 8:40 AM

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It depends on the phone honestly. Sometimes buying it with a contract is cheaper than outright paying for it

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 10:43 AM

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If you're under 26 in Vienna they slash prices by 2/3 for things like internet and phones

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Idk how it is compared to ger

tight kelp Sep 27, 2018, 10:44 AM

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:0 cool

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 10:45 AM

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Does it work for foreigners too?

foggy prism Sep 27, 2018, 10:45 AM

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in Germany from what I hear the internet is this foreign country that must be defended against

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 10:46 AM

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Yeah suzu lmao

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Idk what phone company checks and as for internet I guess you just have to live where they provide it??

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 10:46 AM

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Yeah, Germans hate the internet

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 10:46 AM

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:)

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 10:46 AM

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Brb going to vienna to get internet

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 10:47 AM

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Live with me it's easier 💁

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 10:47 AM

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But i don’t wanna study in austria :<

silent pilot Sep 27, 2018, 10:47 AM

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don't let Arrem see that

tight kelp Sep 27, 2018, 10:48 AM

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seems to be sadly true Sascha :D

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 10:48 AM

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haupTUni

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 10:48 AM

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@sick imp loleyes

tight kelp Sep 27, 2018, 10:48 AM

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I can't wait to rent a new house where I'll have to pay for my internet out of pocket /kappa

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 10:49 AM

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Is it that expensive?

tight kelp Sep 27, 2018, 10:49 AM

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I'll look for stats now but I remember it being rather pricey compared to elsewhere, for the same quality

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 10:49 AM

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:(

warped atlas Sep 27, 2018, 10:50 AM

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Suzu will get banned after this by @sick imp

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btw, you can check using Check24 for prices

tight kelp Sep 27, 2018, 10:51 AM

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turns out i'm terrible at finding stats

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or at least i'm terrible at finding them quickly

sick imp Sep 27, 2018, 10:59 AM

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Sorry Suzu, you're banned. We're bringing af guy back instead. At least he didn't meme about Austria. 😔

potent pike Sep 27, 2018, 4:50 PM

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hi guys

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what is Tax level 7 in a German work contract?

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or Gruppe 7

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 4:55 PM

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I only know of 1-6

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Are you sure it's 7

kindred yew Sep 27, 2018, 4:56 PM

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~~lvl 7: the gubmint harvests your organs~~

potent pike Sep 27, 2018, 4:57 PM

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yes, that's what it says in the contract

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maybe it's a typo

hidden briar Sep 27, 2018, 5:04 PM

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T7 im öffentlichen Dienst? Als Lohnstufe?

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Ich dachte jetzt, dass er von der Lohnsteuerklasse redet

hidden briar Sep 27, 2018, 5:09 PM

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just guessing

potent pike Sep 27, 2018, 5:24 PM

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@hidden briar es ist ein privates Dienst

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Specialist in Gruppe 7 am Standort X

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das ist in die Tätigkeit Kategorie

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auf dem Contract

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ich denke das ist die A7 Kategorie aus öffentlichen Dienst

tacit briar Sep 27, 2018, 5:30 PM

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but you said before it's a "Tax level"

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now you say it's in "Tätigkeit" - it may be some internal level or sth

potent pike Sep 27, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Tätigkeit is Duties and responsibilities for that position @tacit briar

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I just said what's written in the translated version

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there's a possibility they translated it wrong

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in German it says: Der Arbeitnehmer wird als X-position in Gruppe 7 am Standort Y-location eingestellt.

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X and Y are placeholders

hidden briar Sep 27, 2018, 6:00 PM

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sounds like in internal classification

foggy prism Sep 27, 2018, 6:02 PM

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I don’t think this has anything to do with taxes, it’s just that you’re in group seven of their work force

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whatever that entails

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 7:44 PM

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HI GUYS HOW DO I NOT GET CAUGHT COMMITTING TAX FRAUD IN GERMANY

hardy wren Sep 27, 2018, 7:45 PM

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by moving to switzerland

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 7:46 PM

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I DONT LIKE THEIR ACCENT THOUGH

hardy wren Sep 27, 2018, 7:47 PM

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move to belgium

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they have a german speaking community

pastel copper Sep 27, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Luxembourg

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Liechtenstein

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 7:48 PM

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OK BUT YOU'RE JUST SOLVING MY PROBLEM MY CHANGINGTHE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE PROBLEM EXISTS NOT THE PROBLEM ITSELF

pastel copper Sep 27, 2018, 7:48 PM

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I dont think that in Austria you can get rid of taxes tho

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 7:48 PM

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I STILL WOULD LIKE TO COMMIT TAX FRAUD

hardy wren Sep 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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i dont want to solve the country

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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What are tax frauds?

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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ROFL SUZU

hardy wren Sep 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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frauds with tax

pastel copper Sep 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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Lol

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Exactly

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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Like not paying taxes?

pastel copper Sep 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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#donaldtrump

hardy wren Sep 27, 2018, 7:50 PM

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is paying too much tax considered tax fraud

exotic barn Sep 27, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Even if it is, it won’t be lol

fleet pelican Sep 27, 2018, 7:50 PM

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yes!