archived-culture-study-visa

[brisk lotus]

and Beißer Burger

[lapis pike]

Yes, both have great food.

There is so many good restaurants opening

Also we will get a Hans im Glück

[brisk lotus]

😮

I hate that place, but good for the city

to get some action

not much tourism in Augsburg

[lapis pike]

I tend to disagree 😄

Lots of tourists

in the centre

[brisk lotus]

What's there to see ?

[lapis pike]

The oldest city in germany?

Museums?

Rathaus/Perlachturm, Fuggerei, Roman excavations.

Churches

Glaspalast

[brisk lotus]

Augsburg is Germany's third oldest city, but yea it's old xD

[lapis pike]

Schätzlerpalais?

It's not entirely settled what's older

Mozarthaus

The Synagogue?

[brisk lotus]

yea maybe some people visit, simply because it's 40 minutes away from Munich 😄

[lapis pike]

One of the few Synagogues in germany not destroyed

[brisk lotus]

Didn't know that

[lapis pike]

Botanischer Garten

It's really great, they also have lots of concert in it.

The garden

[brisk lotus]

yea that was nice

isn't it close to Murphy's law ?

[lapis pike]

In summer Jazz nights

Nope.

[brisk lotus]

I spent the sommersemester there so there were some events

in rotes tor as well

[lapis pike]

That's at Murphys Law

ye

[brisk lotus]

I'm gonna visit again at some point

I'm not that far away

maybe when they finish working on the Hbf

I heard you guys are getting a Ubahn

or underground station

[lapis pike]

Haha, yes the Hauptbahnhof.

Yep

[brisk lotus]

and a new dunkin donuts

it opened exactly the same week I left the city

like a year ago

way less than a year..last summer

[lapis pike]

Yeah, already had some there.

[undone gyro]

@tight kelp I come from a town / small city in England we don't really get demonstrations and I don't go outside much either

[tight kelp]

I see ^^

[exotic barn]

If anyone knows about this, I have a question.

I might be wrong about this, but in the case of Studienkollegs (Stk), there are some (state-run or private) Stk that you can directly apply to and some that you can't, right? With regards to the latter, I've read certain universities direct you to a certain (affiliated) Stk when you apply for them (like FU Berlin, for example, an application there would direct you to Studienkolleg an der FU Berlin), should your secondary school leaving qualifications do not qualify as an equivalent to the Abitur. I was wondering if you can just apply to a Studienkolleg (that allows direct application), and then freely choose an unaffiliated university, perhaps on a different city/state from the Stk that you attended to when you finish your Stk course.

Again, I might be wrong with my first assumption. So I'm wondering if I still need to inquire and apply to the university/ies of my liking, before they redirect me to a Studienkolleg after reviewing my qualifications, or if I can just have a Studienkolleg of my liking that I can choose.

Thank you! And sorry for such a long post. 😁

[exotic barn]

You can't apply directly to SK if it's not private. You must apply to a Uni and then they might tell you that you need to study in SK first.

[exotic barn]

I see. Thanks Foxxerl!

[brisk lotus]

yea it's always better to do things through the uni or uni-assist and they'd tell you what's next

[ocean basalt]

A quick question,

According to the DAAD standards, I’m only able to go to a major that is related to what I study now (last semester)

I have to double check with universities’ international students office that my current major is fine for them. I got my English transcript but they didn’t give me an internship description paper (medical sector)

Is it too important? Afterall I won’t be studying the same thing and it's not an application right now anyway

[half monolith]

Where at in Germany do the people speak the least English?

[gentle heron]

General English proficiency is high in the urban areas, but the former GDR-regions still lack lag a little behind when it comes to that

haha whoops

I knew that

I promise

What an amazing sentence to fuck up on too

[vernal tundra]

[gentle heron]

"Haha look at those Ossis, they no even speak the English"

[vernal tundra]

on some days i question whether americans even speak english

i certainly wouldn't call the geräusche that fall out my mouth english

[half monolith]

Well Americans have their own dialects too

[regal pecan]

infact! american regional dialects are becoming more apparent.

i.e the emerging PNW dialect

[compact slate]

That's just lazy people talking

[tight kelp]

if the lazyness is cultural enough to surface into regional speech, it deserves to be called a dialect

i've got an on-topic question

or two:
how much can one expect to be paid for an Ausbildung (let's say in programming)?
I've also seen that they can span a lot of time (three years). Can one/is it normal to opt out after a bit if one finds a better opportunity?

[silent pilot]

Most Ausbildungen pay between 600€ and 1000€ (at least for those you start right after school).
Yes, a good amount of people change their Ausbildung before finishing it, but i don't know a lot about how that works.

[tight kelp]

hm

thanks

[tight kelp]

is it too late to start an ausbildung around 25 yr old? :'D

[exotic barn]

it's never too late to start studying

[silent pilot]

you can always start an Ausbildung afaik

[stable talon]

this seems like a super dumb question, but I'm trying to buy a mop and I'm having quite a hard time finding what I want. all I can find are "Klapphalter" style mops, but I've tried them and they're terrible. the cloths you have to use fall off the entire time you're trying to mop. what I really want is something like this, but I have no idea what to call it in german in order to even order one: https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/071798/071798723655.jpg

[silent pilot]

I've never seen one of those in Germany.

I only know them from american TV

[stable talon]

blast

I'm really sick of using Handtücher to mop

[civic sail]

lol

[silent pilot]

And if you're having a hard time cleaning with one of these, it might just be that you have a shitty model, because i've never seen anything else used here. I've also never had problems using one tbh.

[stable talon]

the one I've used came from Rossman. I'm not sure if the cloth is ill-fitting or what because it's not better than just crawling along with a bucket of hot soapy water and a hand towel

I guess I'll just have to buy a different one

[silent pilot]

are you in Germany rn?

[stable talon]

yep

[silent pilot]

https://www.amazon.de/Vileda-EasyWring-Komplett-Set-Wischmop-PowerSchleuder/dp/B01HTTQ6A2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1518799557&sr=8-3&keywords=mop

apparently they have them on amazon

[stable talon]

thank you!

[silent pilot]

just search for mop and stuff like this will come up

[stable talon]

I mainly hadn't checked amazon because you can't pay with paypal

[silent pilot]

i pay with paypal all the time 🤔

[stable talon]

how?

[silent pilot]

Ah no, you're right

I pay with a regular bank account

if you wanna search on other stores try searching for Schleudermop

[stable talon]

thanks for the help! I'm just gonna stop being lazy and add my bank account to amazon

[tight kelp]

amazon stopped supporting paypal a while ago

it's not very convenient for vendors

[compact slate]

?

paypal stopped supporting itself?

[tight kelp]

whoops i meant amazon

lol

[compact slate]

oh

yeah I thought so haha

[solemn bay]

When did Amazon have PayPal?

[tight kelp]

long ago 🤔

if ever

[red phoenix]

@silent pilot id day between 400 and 1000

[silent pilot]

wat

[red phoenix]

Ausbildungen

Viele kaufmännischen Ausbildungen liegen im ersten Lehrjahr unter 500€

[silent pilot]

Ah ok

[south oriole]

What do people think of weed in Germany?

[exotic barn]

what kind of answer do you expect?

[south oriole]

Like is it seen as something bad like other more dangerous drugs or are people more accepting of it

[alpine hollow]

people are accepting

policies aren't

[south oriole]

So its the same as almost all over the world, what if its used as a treatment, are there different policies for that?

[alpine hollow]

it's only legal as treatment in one state

illegal in all the others

[fleet pelican]

which is that :^)

[exotic barn]

source: https://hanfverband.de/inhalte/bundesland-vergleich-der-richtlinien-zur-anwendung-des-ss-31a-btmg

[south oriole]

gr = grams?

[exotic barn]

yes

[fleet pelican]

FUCK YEAH THURINGEN 😎

[south oriole]

what's KE?

[exotic barn]

Kohlenhydrateinheit

1 KE = 10 gr CU (carbs)

[regal pecan]

do the DACH countries collaborate closely?

like Benelux, or the nordic council

[compact slate]

People who are doing their bachelor in Germany, how do you manage to study German study for uni, work and have a social life?

Especially the money part

[exotic barn]

You have to have C1 to study (unless its an English program but those aren’t so common) and if you’re not a eu citizen, you have to have 700€/month in a blocked bank account

[compact slate]

I have a citizenship

[exotic barn]

But that’s how they manage to study

[alpine hollow]

you can work part time, get a scholarship

[regal pecan]

howd you get german citizenship?

[alpine hollow]

or live of your family's money

[compact slate]

Ofc working part time was the idea, I just wondered how do people manage all of that

[alpine hollow]

that's the fun part to figure out

:)

[compact slate]

Like having no choice is a boost obviously lol

[exotic barn]

They don’t have to manage all of that

[alpine hollow]

it depends on how much you wanna study, work or have a social life

(and how good you are at time management or how smart are you or how well you study)

[solemn bay]

If your social life = study groups then you kill two birds with one stone.

[compact slate]

How hard is it finding a job if you're not C1 yet?

[alpine hollow]

depends on what you want to do

[exotic barn]

Or live in a dorm => social life

[compact slate]

That's actually crossed my mind Base

[alpine hollow]

becoming a teaching assistant is not very hard

or an assistant in a discounter

[compact slate]

What's a teaching assistant? :o

[exotic barn]

What does a teaching assistant do?

[alpine hollow]

depends on what field :P

like you know institutes in unis do science and shit

you could be the one managing the IT for them, making web pages or upgrading their equipment

[exotic barn]

Would you know about chemistry? :D

[alpine hollow]

or you could actively help them in researching stuff

or you could become a tutor for them teaching shitty students

[compact slate]

But I assume it's hard to get the job? There's only so much open positions for that

[alpine hollow]

eh, if you are quick and not stupid

you can get one pretty easily

they all search for assistants every semester

[exotic barn]

I doubt I could become a TA with my shitty german

[compact slate]

I see

[alpine hollow]

you can go into lab stuff if your german is not fit for tutoring

i can't say much about chemistry

but pretty sure they also need people doing the dirty work

[exotic barn]

[solemn bay]

Or just get better at German.

[compact slate]

I have money for 2~ years but I'm planning on finding a job asap

[exotic barn]

Working on it 👌

[alpine hollow]

btw, becoming a teaching assistant (may it be as a tutor or in research) is really helpful in getting some contacts

[exotic barn]

notes down

[alpine hollow]

you will be actively working with either the prof or people who are doing their PHD

[compact slate]

That's good yeah

[alpine hollow]

and if it's a field you are interested in... you can learn some stuff :)

teaching assistant jobs are not the most reliable, since they are only valid for one semester

but most research assistans stay for longer

[compact slate]

Is it possible to take some language courses? Like in Israel taking a second language is a must in a lot of places

[alpine hollow]

or admins

[exotic barn]

It is, most unis offer them

[alpine hollow]

pretty much every uni offers language courses

[compact slate]

Cool!

[alpine hollow]

my uni did german, french, spanish, italian, russian, japanese and chinese

for example

but if you are working and want a social life, languages might be difficult as an extra

[compact slate]

I think Japanese would be free credits

For me

[alpine hollow]

they usually are set in the evening

like 5-8pm

[compact slate]

Oh I see

[alpine hollow]

it's doable

[exotic barn]

How speak jp, oded?

[compact slate]

Well who needs social life anyway

[alpine hollow]

but if you already have to study from the morning on

sometimes you don't really want to go to uni again in the evening :P

[compact slate]

Languages > social life

Can you english it @exotic barn

[alpine hollow]

you gotta speak with the cs admins tho

if you can apply the credit points

[exotic barn]

Oh dang sorry

[alpine hollow]

languages are not part of the normal cs curriculum

[exotic barn]

You speak Japanese?

[alpine hollow]

but they can be added

[compact slate]

Ohh I see

Yeah Suzu, some

[alpine hollow]

also you can't take "easy" courses if your profiency is too high :P

[compact slate]

But they don't need to know that

I don't have any certificate

[exotic barn]

They will notice in the course tho

[compact slate]

shrugs

[alpine hollow]

i've heard some teachers offered those people to help them teach

so they don't get kicked out when they noticed

buuut that's all rumours and shit

i don't really know people who want to waste their time for a few credit points

[compact slate]

Why would they kick me if I do well? That's pretty counterproductive

[alpine hollow]

you are wasting a slot and time

if you are

for example B2 in japanese

and you partake in a A2 japanese course

[compact slate]

Hmm

[alpine hollow]

other people could have that slot

people who would actually learn the language

[compact slate]

Makes sense

[alpine hollow]

(presumably)

also really

it's not worth your time to take a course

1. where you don't learn anything new

2. is boring

[compact slate]

But seriously now, if I don't have any certificate, I honestly don't know which level I am at

[alpine hollow]

that's fine if you don't know

[exotic barn]

They will prolly do tests before starting the semester

[alpine hollow]

just if you know you are too good if you join them

maybe it's not for you :P

[compact slate]

Yeah that makes sense

Well I getting ahead of myself here

[alpine hollow]

if you are in dire need for credits, you can take every shortcut you want

but it's not worth it to "waste" time if you aren't actually interested, imo

[compact slate]

The thing is due to mandatory conscription I already start my life relatively late

Which SUCKS

[alpine hollow]

i took some economy classes in my bachelor

and they were fuck easy

and in the end i really regretted taking them

since i retained no useful knowledge at all

[compact slate]

Yeah...

Well, again, I'll cross that bridge when I get there

[alpine hollow]

would have taken some more electronics classes probably if i knew

oh, oded, don't worry too much about your age

it suuuucks

but... ultimately, as long as you get to your goals

it doesn't matter too much

unless you are on a deadline

[compact slate]

I'll also probably be the oldest guy there

[alpine hollow]

nope

i studied with some 60+ year olds

[compact slate]

:O

[alpine hollow]

i am pretty sure you are not that old yet

[compact slate]

Not that old

[alpine hollow]

was really cute

he couldn't work anymore due to some kinda physical handicap

and his family was super busy

and he was so bored at home

he decided to study cs

:D

[compact slate]

That's really admiring

[exotic barn]

looool

that's very kewt!!

[alpine hollow]

i was concerned about my age too when i started uni

no lie here, oded

but the longer you study and as long as you have your goals

it became less important to me

i mean shit, when i started uni

i started with some 17 year olds

when i was 17, i was still in school

:<

[exotic barn]

If you don’t mind me asking, how old are you, oded?

[compact slate]

21 currently

[exotic barn]

lunerd is 45

[alpine hollow]

but really, studying takes a lot of time anyway

and when you are studying, caring about others becomes so unimportant

[compact slate]

Time isn't a problem Lunerd(hoooopefully)

[alpine hollow]

so even if you will be "old" by the end

it doesn't matter

[compact slate]

Nothing really matters

[exotic barn]

Luna is 45? 👀

yes

[compact slate]

But yeah I get you

[alpine hollow]

👀

[exotic barn]

he is a professor doctor doctor

it takes a lot of time

to become a professor doctor doctor

Maybe he’s just smart

[alpine hollow]

can't confirm

not smart

[exotic barn]

nah cant be true

[alpine hollow]

just studious

[exotic barn]

if im not accepted this year, ill start at 20 yo

and i think its kinda okay

[alpine hollow]

patpats foxxo

yes

[exotic barn]

because in germany kids learn in school 13 years

[alpine hollow]

12 nowadays

[exotic barn]

some do 13 tho

[alpine hollow]

but they are thinking of increasing it back to 13

lol

cause the workload was too much for 12 years

[exotic barn]

13 years dammit

[civic sail]

are universities in germany free as they say in the news?

[exotic barn]

Same here rip

[alpine hollow]

there are no study fees

but there are administering fees

[exotic barn]

me must hurry up tho, so hello hannover kek

You pay around 100-200€ for a semester afaik

[alpine hollow]

(unless you are a non-eu citizen and wanna study in Baden-Württemberg, then there are study fees)

it depends on the uni

[civic sail]

hmmmm okie

[alpine hollow]

i paid about 300€ each semester

[compact slate]

I'm so glad I have a citizenship :phew:

[alpine hollow]

cause i had an extensive travel ticket included

[civic sail]

is 300euro per semester considered cheap or no

[alpine hollow]

eh, it's more on the high roll

[civic sail]

hmm k

[exotic barn]

its foken cheap

yes

[alpine hollow]

i think "usual" fees are about 200€

[civic sail]

are the universities in general good?

[alpine hollow]

yes

[exotic barn]

Yes

think about the us, australia, canada, the uk

[alpine hollow]

how much do you pay in russia, btw?

or yakutsk

[exotic barn]

i pay nothing

because im smart

its free in general

[alpine hollow]

oh, scholarship?

or free

:o

[compact slate]

In Israel a uni year is about 2500€

[exotic barn]

ye and everyone has a small scholarship

[alpine hollow]

oh

that's sweet

[exotic barn]

yup, i get around 100$ rn

[alpine hollow]

some scandinavian countries are pretty cool too

they get "paid" for studying

[compact slate]

^

[exotic barn]

but if you do science your scholarship can be like 1000$ in a month

[civic sail]

smh if i get paid for studying expect those A's rolling in.

[compact slate]

Wtf

[alpine hollow]

most people i know get lazy because of that

[civic sail]

🤔 wait true.

[exotic barn]

but wanna know a kek luna

[compact slate]

I would studdy erridai

[exotic barn]

??

its a real kek

[alpine hollow]

sure, give me a kek, foxxo

[silent pilot]

the kek is a lie

[exotic barn]

some of my classmates who are very very stupid, they pay like 300k rubles in a year what is 4300 euro

[alpine hollow]

a year?

😱

[exotic barn]

yes

i mean that s a kek

[compact slate]

300k lol

[exotic barn]

pay 4300euro for studying in my shithole

[civic sail]

my classmates are very stupid

[compact slate]

2500€ a year is normal here

[alpine hollow]

i used to pay about 1.6k€ each year

:<

[compact slate]

Private colleges can be even higher

[civic sail]

rich people

[alpine hollow]

they 500€ semester fees a few years ago were evil :<

[exotic barn]

i dont think they are rich tbh

their parents are just stupid

[civic sail]

wtf

[exotic barn]

if they pay for their education

because these classmates dont understand a word

[alpine hollow]

he, it was pretty funny, when the study fee in my state got abolished, the entrants to cs nearly tripled

[exotic barn]

and mostly sleep

[civic sail]

if i wanna go study in germany i would have to pay

• flight
• housing (appartement)
• food
• admin fee
• krankenverschierung
• whatever more

i dont come from a rich family

money is like

very few

so

[alpine hollow]

it's not always cheaper to go to germany to study

[exotic barn]

You can get a wg for 250-300€/month

[civic sail]

still expensive 😠

[exotic barn]

if i wanna go study in germany i would have to pay

• flight
• housing (appartement)
• food
• admin fee
• krankenverschierung
• whatever more

this is all around 800 euro in a month

That’s the cheapest option tho...

which is not a lot tbh

[alpine hollow]

also really depends on the city again

[civic sail]

Rp. 12000000 in my currency

[alpine hollow]

like ahhaha, you never gonna get a "nice" wg for 300€ a month in munich

but you can in hannover

[silent pilot]

there are no wgs for 300€ a month in Munich

[exotic barn]

You dont get anything cheap in munich tho

[silent pilot]

it's even hard to get one in Cologne

[alpine hollow]

my brother used to pay like 500€ for one room in a multi tennant apartment

[exotic barn]

nemo i will live with you

[alpine hollow]

and the room was fucking small

[exotic barn]

[silent pilot]

i don't have a place yet either

[alpine hollow]

but it was close to the inner city

[exotic barn]

Arent you going to aachen tho, foxxo?

[alpine hollow]

so the location was good

but man

[exotic barn]

im not going into a special place rn

[alpine hollow]

for about 500€ you can get a small apartment for yourself in hannover

[exotic barn]

im just going to germany

but ye

aachen is a dream

Same, foxxo c:

[civic sail]

how bout berlin

[exotic barn]

you want to study in aachen?

[alpine hollow]

berlin is pretty cheapish

[exotic barn]

Berlin is cheaper than munich

[alpine hollow]

but news are, the housing prices are rising lately

because everyone wants to go to berlin

[civic sail]

i wish i was born in quicker

[exotic barn]

who wants to go to berlin lel

Yes, foxxo but I’ll be happy with any uni

[alpine hollow]

people who only speak english, foxxo

:p

[exotic barn]

Wooow suzu

[civic sail]

i basically can't live in like silent cities

i need busy cities

[exotic barn]

are you going to start bachelor

or master?

[civic sail]

more people = more joy

[exotic barn]

Bachelor

woooooow

But i need to take a year off to get to C1

same

Aren’t you c1?

well my year off is almost ended

OH

yeee 7 months

and im in germanyyyy

wohooo

Ayyyyyyy

if it get c1 im gonna write a book

kek

I’ll be going to germany for my gapyear tho c:

Start preparing then lol

[civic sail]

whats a gapyear

[exotic barn]

A year when you don’t study and do other stuff

Usual travel or so

[civic sail]

where do you live omfg

[exotic barn]

Czech Republic, why?

[civic sail]

i nEED a GaPyEAr

[exotic barn]

Anybody can get a gap year lol

Just postpone your uni

[civic sail]

ohhhh

[alpine hollow]

it's voluntarily

if you can manage that

a lot of people take breaks from studying

[civic sail]

i need a break

heheh

[silent pilot]

i took a break from studying too - you just need something to not get homeless in the mean time

[exotic barn]

Some people take a break to gain work experience so that’s like killing two birds with one stone

[compact slate]

Just move to germany, open a yt channel, vlog like your life depends on it, earn fat staxx

Ezpz

[civic sail]

i dont think you make that much money with vlogging

[compact slate]

Well if you get to the tens of thousands of followers like some vloggers have you might

[south oriole]

Or open up a Gofundme

You can make money with enough followers but not if you rely on adsense only, you'll have to get sponsors and product placement

[regal pecan]

become a sellout for mcdonalds

or cable isps

[south oriole]

"Since so many of you guys have been asking what product I use for x, here's a list of them"

also be a attractive or be a girl

[civic sail]

but cant you just work at mcdonalds or wendys

[south oriole]

what's the minimum wage in germany?

[compact slate]

Yeah you need boobs

[sick imp]

3 bottle caps, a candy bar and a pen, Creb.

[exotic barn]

8.84€/h

[civic sail]

work 22.6 hours for 200 euro :^)

[south oriole]

Is that enough to live?

[exotic barn]

no

[civic sail]

😂

[exotic barn]

you gotta double it

[civic sail]

22.6 hours in one week, 4 weeks like 800 euro nan?

[exotic barn]

thats plenty

[civic sail]

assuming you work on weekends thats 3 hours per day per week

not bad imo

[south oriole]

You also have limits to how much you can make if you're a foreign student

[civic sail]

dammit

how much

[exotic barn]

Depends on the country

(whether you have limits or not)

[civic sail]

1. If you come from one of the following countries:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Switzerland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain or the United Kingdom

►You are allowed to work as much as you wish without a work permit. However, like German students, the amount may not exceed 20 hours per week. Otherwise, you are required to pay into the German social security system.

I come from Indonesia 😢

120 full days or 240 half days 🤔

[south oriole]

damn

gonna have forge some papers

[exotic barn]

Good luck trying

[civic sail]

maynot exceed 20 hours per week

rip the 22.5 hours/200 euro calculation

well 2 hours begging on the streets

[south oriole]

freelance won't count tho right, I think I have asked this question before?

[exotic barn]

As in?

[civic sail]

design logos :^)

[compact slate]

Selling game assets online

[south oriole]

or wordpress sites

[civic sail]

is that even legal

[exotic barn]

Nah

[south oriole]

it is if you design them

[civic sail]

no i mean, selling game assets

[compact slate]

Yeah?

[south oriole]

yes

[compact slate]

I sell my pixel art

[civic sail]

is krankenverschierung really necessary omfl

[south oriole]

game assets as in models, textures, sounds and stuff like that

[alpine hollow]

yes

[exotic barn]

A Krankenversicherung is necessary

[civic sail]

why god why

[alpine hollow]

because it's important

[south oriole]

whats that?

[exotic barn]

Because this isn't America

Health insurance

[south oriole]

damn

[civic sail]

International students from other countries are allowed to work 120 full days or 240 half days per year. They are not allowed to be self-employed or work as freelancers.

good life man :^(

[sick imp]

You don't need health insurance if you don't have health. Simply die to avoid paying it.

[south oriole]

I dont think I have known anyone in my life who had it, but I live in the third world

[civic sail]

tru

i also live in 3rd world

[south oriole]

wtf

why cant you do freelance

[civic sail]

idk

do you really have to depend on your fucking parentssa aaaaaa

[exotic barn]

Because people would use it for tax evasion

[south oriole]

focc gorman gubmint

How would they know if someone has been working as a freelancer 🤔

[exotic barn]

Do you know how freelancing works and what taxes are?

[civic sail]

freelancing you just do stuff for internet people

and they pay you

taadaaa

[exotic barn]

You need to register for that

It's not that easy, bud

[south oriole]

you can have a separate paypal acc that you use on freelance sites

[alpine hollow]

do you wanna really try so hard

to get kicked out

[civic sail]

wow you can get deported?

for freelancing?

[alpine hollow]

if you are invalidating your visa

sure it can happen

[civic sail]

i see

[alpine hollow]

or at least

you pay a hefty fine

which invalidates all your earnings anyway

[south oriole]

what's so wrong about trying to make more cash if you're a student

[alpine hollow]

and you may never get back into the country afterwards

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[exotic barn]

You also need to apply for a tax number (not a tax ID number) and specify whether you are self employed or an actual freelancer

[civic sail]

i guess you just need to save from now 😉

[south oriole]

what's the difference between them?

freelance doesn't count as self employment?

[exotic barn]

Self employment and freelancing are two different things

[south oriole]

Like doing things on contracts?

[exotic barn]

Freelancing requires an academic degree of some sort whilst working as a self employed person falls under the terms of owning a business, for example

If you evade taxes you commit a felony for illicit employment

(evade taxes by not having a registered business)

[compact slate]

But freelancing has to be more than X amount of money each month no?

Making 20 dollars a month isn't really work

[silent pilot]

unpaid freelancing is a thing too

[compact slate]

But can you really call that beying self employed when you make inconsistent amounts of money or none at all some months? 🤔

[silent pilot]

it's not self-employment

[compact slate]

Freelancing then

[silent pilot]

Doing unemployed freelance work is very common for people in creative professions, e.g. writers, artists etc.

[compact slate]

I know but there a difference between making 800$ freelancing and 20$

[silent pilot]

sure, but freelancing doesn't have to do anything with how much you get paid

I mean, there are unpaid internships too - you'd call those work too.

[compact slate]

I see

[exotic barn]

@civic sail oh hey, neighbour. When are you planning on going to Germany to study?

Coincidentally I’ve also been reading about student jobs in Germany. So non-EU like us only have 90 8-hr days max per year to work as a student. Though I’m unsure how much the minimum wage is exactly, I’ve read you could at least get paid for €6 per hour. So you’ll still earn a relatively good amount per month in addition to the financial support you’d be getting from family or whatnot.

The 120 full days 240 half days are for foreign students that are part of EU, I think. Non-EU internationals will have to go with 90, 180.

I haven’t verified but for a huge (and relatively expensive) city like Munich, student jobs apparently pay more too, I’ve read. Of course the average expenses are also higher

[civic sail]

probably a long time in like 5 years 😂

[exotic barn]

you'll have lots of time to prepare

i have like... 1 year

[civic sail]

i dont attend goethe though

[exotic barn]

or 1 and a half at least

[civic sail]

i really want to attend goethe but my mom persists on me learning french on sat 1 pm - 5 pm

i don't have any other free time other than that 😦

[exotic barn]

oh, German language lessons?

I'm self-studying

[civic sail]

yas

i am too

resources is quite helpful, but it's really messy

[exotic barn]

but ofc formally studying for it should be faster, I guess

are you still in high school?

[civic sail]

class studies have this syllabus, i dont know where to start and with what to proceed

junior high school

[exotic barn]

Hm, I just use the typical language apps most people start with, and watch videos when I can. And I have the pdf resources and for the most part they take me step by step properly. I only started taking the language seriously earlier this month and I think it'll be sufficient for me in the long run

but you have five years as you say, so don't worry about it :D

[civic sail]

yeah maybe

not sure if i can get to B1 self studying in 5 years tho

[exotic barn]

I'm not entirely sure, but I think someone got here to B2 or at least C?? in 1 year. I'm not sure if they self-studied or not though

but I think it's doable

it depends on the amount of time you'd be willing to spend in learning the language, and that comes with interacting with other people to build yourself up

[civic sail]

yeah maybe

i started learning this language since december

[exotic barn]

if you're learning French at the same time then perhaps it's gonna be just a bit longer, but I don't think it would take 5 years to learn

I've been learning German last year, a bit casually, and then I stopped at some point.

[civic sail]

i said to my mom "mom B2 in french is enough"

but she's like

"no must get to C2!!!"

[exotic barn]

I'm planning on taking the testdaf later this year when they're available in the Philippines

[humble kindle]

Good luck with that

[civic sail]

great

[exotic barn]

why does your mom want you to take french?

[civic sail]

meh idk

[exotic barn]

also on another note

just wish yourself luck that your target schools/unis and their respective states do not change tuition policies for non-eu students in five years' time

[regal pecan]

ah french, a key part of the north american language trifecta;

english french spanish

[exotic barn]

baden changed theirs very recently and it's possible that other states might do, too

[civic sail]

honestly i dont know which univ im gonna attend to

but probably engineering or biotech something

[exotic barn]

you gotta have a course in mind ready

yeah, I have those in mind too

I'm huge on STEM and would choose between S and E at this moment

[civic sail]

cool

[exotic barn]

an overlap on bio/chem/engineering/physics would be cool

[civic sail]

are you in high school?

[exotic barn]

hmm actually no, I graduated high school like... five years ago. I spent 4 years in uni until I decided to drop out in my 4th because reasons

also you know how shit the education system in southeast asia is

except for Singapore

lul

[civic sail]

i'm from indonesia ;v

shittiest education ever

[exotic barn]

UI is good though, I've heard

But yeah the overall education in Southeast Asia from what I know and have heard from others is just... subpar I guess. Though like I said, Singapore is really good. But we're improving I suppose

"I'm not entirely sure, but I think someone got here to B2 or at least C?? in 1 year. I'm not sure if they self-studied or not though"

me did it

and i had private teachers

but its just a lot of work tbh

the hardest part is A1-B1.2

[civic sail]

dude

[exotic barn]

then it goes smoothy

[civic sail]

is your priv. teacher expensive or smth

[exotic barn]

i was lucky and the teacher that helped me to reach B1 was a friend of mine who helped me gratis

[civic sail]

@exotic barn me getting into ui is like a unicorn flying ontop of your house

😦

[exotic barn]

but after she left my city, i had quiet expensive teachers

[civic sail]

friend

i have 0 german speaking friend

[exotic barn]

but it worth it

[civic sail]

i can see dat

[exotic barn]

I met my first German friends on ARK when I was still in uni, and it sort of got me started into Germany in general

though I've been a fan of their football team before the 2014 World Cup

One of them was an international student from Brazil, so I'm inspired by him. So if I ever needed anyone to talk German with I'm pretty much set

my girlfriend is also learning German so it's even better

I guess pretty much as soon as you have most of the grammar settled you just have to deal with vocabulary and usage for the most part after that

[civic sail]

yeah probably

[exotic barn]

Idioms are very important as well

[fallen roost]

Hardest part is definitely from A1 to B1 I think. After B1 you just need to kind of start living the language, and it takes a lot of time I think. Less studying, but you need to absorb a lot, which takes so much time especially when you don't live in the country. Also grammar drills and such. I believe really the main difference between B1 and B2 is that B1 is knowing about the grammar rules and B2 is applying them fluidly and internalizing them. Then vocab is obviously a big difference too, but after B1 you should be getting vocab from native materials already I think

I can't speak personally for German, but thats what I've found with other languages

[exotic barn]

I was actually watching a ted talk that explains this phenomenon if you want me to send you the link

[fallen roost]

Yeah

[civic sail]

why is A1-B1 the hardest

[exotic barn]

It isn’t. It should be the easiest.

[fallen roost]

By hardest I mean the most actual studying

After B2 you really should have to study,only absorb material

Takes a lot longer than A1 to B1 though.

Also much more frustrating, because progress is slower

[exotic barn]

I’d say it’s the opposite.

Unless you move here

[fallen roost]

At the beginning stages, you definitely see progress, where as later on its harder

[exotic barn]

Then maybe it becomes more organic

[fallen roost]

Im talking about learning from abroad

[exotic barn]

It’s no wonder we have learning plateaus around b2

[fallen roost]

Yeah

For sure

[exotic barn]

C1 to c2 will def be the hardest

[fallen roost]

Definitely

All of the transitions are hard in their own ways

[exotic barn]

Prolly as much work as a1 to b1

B2

[fallen roost]

Yeah

I know some people who have gone from B1 to B2 in a month or so though, I don't know how credible they are though

Some people take the B1 test when they are really B2, and other way around

[exotic barn]

Yeah

That happens too

hey guys, i feel like you should move this convo to another channel 👀

[fallen roost]

Oh sorry

got carried away

[exotic barn]

Lack of confidence

[fallen roost]

yup

[exotic barn]

its ok, its nice that you guys discuss this c:

[regal pecan]

When native english speakers speak german, do they have a noticeable accent?

[rose cedar]

unless they work on it

[spice bluff]

How worthwhile is it to learn German and Latvian? I am going to move to Latvia in about 4-5 years with citizenship and I plan to attempt to use my EU citizenship to go to Germany, is that good planning or nah

Or should I focus mostly on Latvian

[exotic barn]

Do you get an eu citizenship by moving to latvia?

[rose cedar]

i reckon he/she's already got latvian (eu) citizenship

[spice bluff]

Not yet, but I can get it incredibly quick

I'm from WW2 refugee heritage and they give it to descendants

@exotic barn @rose cedar (And I assume I get the EU stuff since Latvia is an EU country)

[rose cedar]

ah cool

well not "cool" but

interesting and good for you I suppose

[spice bluff]

Yeah, just tryna figure out how to go tbh

[exotic barn]

Ic

[spice bluff]

Russian is too ugly for me, but I quite like German etc

But Latvian is like slavic and odd haha

[exotic barn]

If you plan on moving to germany, you should def learn german

[spice bluff]

For sure, is it easier to move to Germany from an EU country?

then it is from America?

[exotic barn]

And a bit latvian for büro stuff

[rose cedar]

Oh I'm certain of it

[exotic barn]

You can move freely

[spice bluff]

Oh lit

[exotic barn]

Without anything

[rose cedar]

don't need to muck about with visas and the like

Hardest part will be finding employment and living arrangements I think

[exotic barn]

But you have to pay latvian insurance i guess

[spice bluff]

Oh damn, yeah I'll ditch Latvia as fast as possible haha

[exotic barn]

Or german one but that’s prolly more expensive

[rose cedar]

Do you actually have to move to Latvia to get the citizenship?

[spice bluff]

Yeah

for like a year or two

[exotic barn]

Then learn latvian too i guess

[rose cedar]

Ah. I think I'm elligible for Israeli citizenship on a similar grounds (jewish blood) but I'd have to live there for a certain number of years

and I'm not super keen on that at the moment

[spice bluff]

For sure, just wondering if I should push Latvian more then German since I'm tryna go closer to Germany

ehhh israeli seems meh

Aren't they at war?

[rose cedar]

Probably

[spice bluff]

or at least conflict

[rose cedar]

I don't really know how you should prioritize, sorry 😦

[spice bluff]

But thanks, I wish high school offered more then German, Spanish, and french hahaha

From what I know Latvia got assfucked by different languages during and after the world wars

so they have lots of Germans. Russians, and some Americans, so I might just be able to get by haha

[compact slate]

Who is at war?

[spice bluff]

Like palestine and israel?

Don't they butt heads a lot?

[compact slate]

And if you can prove jewish origin you have the right to come to israel @rose cedar

Oh yeah

[spice bluff]

Feels pretty sketchy for me to move to a country with conflicts so close

[compact slate]

Israel is pretty safe regardless

[spice bluff]

Ah ok

[rose cedar]

it's more just that i'm more interested in moving to switzerland/austria/germany

[compact slate]

Same here

[spice bluff]

Same

I've gotten dissatisfied with America lately

I grow more eager for Europe very often

[exotic barn]

You should learn at least the basics if the lang of the country you’ll be living in. My friends often complain that people don’t really speak English in germany and in czechia so I expect latvia to be the same. (Young people do know english but you’ll have problems in daily life like in shops etc.) @spice bluff

You will really want to work on losing the American accent. People in Germany will switch to English as soon as they detect one (if they know English. That might vary depending where you move to)

[warped atlas]

I have a question to foreign people that have transitioned between studying and working in Germany

anybody here like that?

[rose cedar]

When I visited switzerland at the airport someone was convinced I was japanese 😕 I'm not sure if that's good because I don't sound american or bad because I'm not in any way japanese

[fleet pelican]

You'll generally be well off in Latvia if you know Russian, it was only very recently that the shift went to their own language (public signs, daily conversational language, school curriculums)

[ocean basalt]

When I was there in Latvia people barely knew English, I could easily say young people knows it, old people doesn't. There's no mid point. I was in Daugavpils so I might be a lil wrong if you go to Riga for example

[brisk lotus]

@warped atlas go ahead

[warped atlas]

In the period where you're transitioning between getting a job and graduation (or actually the Kolloquium to be exact) how do you manage getting a job and getting a home and also your visa at the Ausländerbehörde?

wait

let's go DM instead

[brisk lotus]

You get one year extension on your visa under the status "looking for a job"

[spice bluff]

Ahh thank you very much, how is Latvia may I ask? @ocean basalt

[ocean basalt]

Chill, quiet, Daugavpils had more elderly people rather than young

[spice bluff]

So much like my town in the US?

[ocean basalt]

Everyone owns dogs for some reason?

[spice bluff]

Same with my town hahahaha I have 4 dogs

How different is the culture?

[ocean basalt]

You’re American and I’m from Eastern Europe, asking the wrong guy there ^^

[spice bluff]

lmfao true

I'm a rural American, so I quite literally don't know cultural change

[alpine hollow]

Btw eyes

Do you guys call yourselves southern europe, eastern europe or asian normally?

Or something else

[spice bluff]

Why asian? lol

[sick imp]

They usually go by name, Lunerd.

[spice bluff]

Unless he's Russian, he won't call himself asian, just eastern Euro

[exotic barn]

cuz turkey is 97% asia

geographically

[spice bluff]

ohhh he's turkish?

I thought that was middle east lmfao

[exotic barn]

turkey is middle east

[ocean basalt]

It’s technically connecting Europe with Asia at some point, only technically

But in general we go by Asian, geographical majority belongs there

[alpine hollow]

Ah, good

[exotic barn]

which city are you from, eyes?

[ocean basalt]

Istanbul

[red fog]

I've never heard anyone call Turkey Eastern European 🤔

[alpine hollow]

Me neither really

That’s why i asked

[exotic barn]

istanbul is literally both europe and asia

[ocean basalt]

I wanted to do it that way so what XD

^ correct

[exotic barn]

welcome to the world of confused identity, my friend

[alpine hollow]

Hehehe

[spice bluff]

im just a murican straight and true!

liburttyty

[exotic barn]

everybody in murica is an immigrant anyways

The way things go, soon enough :(

[half monolith]

Is it possible/legal for me as an American for example to go to Germany and open up a crepe stand and work?

Also how does one go about finding a whitelisted job? Or get job offers for that matter

[solemn bay]

A crepe stand. 😮

Sounds delicious.

[alpine hollow]

No, not really

Well, you apply for jobs and see if they accept you

And unless you offer a significant advantage for the job offer, you will only get the third-highest priority when being considered

[burnt tapir]

any berliners here work at labor berlin?

http://www.laborberlin.com

[half monolith]

how would it be possible for me as american to relocate to Germany for work/living? any insight or where to get info for it?

[exotic barn]

Find a Job / marry a German / have enough money to request an investor visa

[blazing harbor]

@half monolith more elaborate info can be found here https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/einreiseundaufenthalt/02-lernen-und-arbeiten

[half monolith]

@blazing harbor thanks

[warped atlas]

I think I remember somebody like Berzi mentioning it before

but what's exactly the difference between having an Arbeitsplatz and having an Ausbildung?

One is being a Mitarbeiter, the other is Azubi

The former you earn a lot more than the latter

and furthermore, what's the difference between a Praktikum and an Ausbildung then?

[red phoenix]

Azubi is basically an apprentice

You got him for 3 years and you have a Contract saying you'll teach him how to work

An azubi usually also goes to school parallelly where they learn subjects based on their job

After an Ausbildung you're a Fachkraft. After a Praktikum youre a dude who made a Praktikum once.

Praktikum doesnt have to be paid. Ausbildung however pays you a salary

[warped atlas]

^ I'm gonna assume that Berzi doesn't need to go to school anymore, but then why would one want to go for an Ausbildung if you already have the degree for a normal Arbeitsplatz?

[exotic barn]

german integration would be my first guess

[red phoenix]

Cuz they aint gonna teach you german and biology and stuff

When i did my ausbildung, i had subjects like "Betriebswirtschaft", "Steuer-und Kaufmannskunde", "Geschäftspraktiken für Automobilkaufleute" and "Fahrzeugtechnik"

[warped atlas]

Hmmm

I'm gonna assume you had BWL, Erik

but let's say it's me, studying Informationstechnik

or Bachelors would be Informatik

[red phoenix]

You dont do an Ausbildung while you do school, you do an ausbildung After you graduated

[warped atlas]

Hoooo

hrmm...

So you're basically saying, in an RPG path

[red phoenix]

There are no ausbildungsberufe after Bachelor/Master

[warped atlas]

you go to school

oh wait

When you say AFTER you graduated

you mean, after Duale Hochschule?

or?

[red phoenix]

No

[warped atlas]

Abi?

[red phoenix]

Im talking class 10 when youre 16 and just had sex for the first time and logan paul is still cool

[warped atlas]

So yeah, Abitur

well

wait

[red phoenix]

No

Abitur is after class 13/12

[warped atlas]

Abitur is when you wanna go after Gymnasium to Uni

[exotic barn]

welcome to the german school system

[blazing harbor]

Doesn't mean you're obliged to do that. All paths remain possible, regardless of school type

[warped atlas]

Hrrmm....that still makes me confused on why @tight kelp is doing an Ausbildung, instead of a normal Arbeitsplatz....

yeah @blazing harbor

[warped atlas]

I thought I read from a German text while studying my DSH, that the current education system in Germany allows people to basically do any path regardless of age

instead of being stuck doing Handwerk stuff just because they never did Abitur

[red phoenix]

Because nobody will hire lets say a web designer without them having proven that they learned how to be a web designer

I did Abi and am currently in Handwerk. Where is your god now?

[exotic barn]

poor choice of example

[warped atlas]

LOL

[exotic barn]

people will hire anyone as a web designer

[red phoenix]

How can you be Webdesigner without any textilerfahrung

[warped atlas]

I apologize Erik, but that's basically what I got from the text

[red phoenix]

Webstühle sind kompliziert

[blazing harbor]

You can do your Ausbilding for example and then once finished, you could go to the BOS, get your Fachabitur to study at a Hochschule or go on to do the allgemeines Abitur and go on to study at a university. There are endless possibilities

[red phoenix]

Some Ausbildungen only hire people who have an abitur

Like my job

[warped atlas]

Yes Sims

[red phoenix]

Or banks

Or insurance salesmen

[alpine hollow]

ausbildungen mostly prepare for a certain job

[warped atlas]

that's what I learned from the text as well, though the exact detail eluded me

[red phoenix]

Who would you hire to watch over a car workshop. Someone who studied mechanical engineering for 3 years or someone who worked on cars and learned all about cars for 3 years?

[warped atlas]

The latter of course

but then

[alpine hollow]

you don't learn for a job studying in university

[warped atlas]

let's say I am that student

How am I supposed to get a job as a Mechanical designer at Mercedes Benz for example?

if let's say I did my BA at the school?

[red phoenix]

Study mechanical engineering. Thats an engineer job

Or you did a Technischer Produktdesignerausbildung

We dont force everyone into uni for every job

[alpine hollow]

if you study mechanical engineering, you prove that you are supposedly able to handle a wide variety of possible engineering stuff, albeit in the future after getting experience

if you do an ausbildung, you get ausgebildet for a certain kind of engineer

[red phoenix]

Gtg break over

[alpine hollow]

and you can "only" do that kind of engineering job

also you provide immediately value after finishing your ausbildung

[red phoenix]

Na engineering is Uni only, Lunmar

[warped atlas]

Hmmm, okay

[alpine hollow]

NO IDEA DUDE

thanks eriku

let's say it were possible

someone finishing an ausbildung has immediate value and impact

since he is used to the skills and tools necessary for the job

(hopefully)

[exotic barn]

you got trained for a certain line of work, and got some experience doing it while you study

[alpine hollow]

whereas a student will need time to get to learn all the required things

they don't hire students for "immediate" impact, but for long term improvement

[warped atlas]

I see

[red phoenix]

Ausbildung is mostly handwork/trade jobs

[warped atlas]

Okay, I also gtg, thanks guys

[alpine hollow]

another example in case you read it later

take computer science

you can make an ausbildung to fachinformatiker for systemadministration or something

and you then can become a sys admin for a job offer

but you will have a hard time becoming some other kind of informatiker, unless you can prove it easily

like becoming a network specialist or it-security specialist

whereas if you have completed university, you can apply for each of those things, since it "can" be expected, that you are able to learn on the fly

generally tho

people with degrees and people who do an ausbildung will choose different jobs anyway

[red phoenix]

Ye

[exotic barn]

just keep in mind that those examples don't usually apply for IT/programming 😅

[red phoenix]

There arent many (if any) jobs that look for people who did an ausbildung or Uni

[exotic barn]

b/c people will hire anyone

[alpine hollow]

IT is a bit iffy, since a lot can be self-taught

[red phoenix]

Ye we dont talk IT we talking people who work!

[exotic barn]

genau hahaha

[red phoenix]

lifts car batteries

[alpine hollow]

you just have to prove somehow that your self-taught stuff is enough

[exotic barn]

clears sweat off brow

[alpine hollow]

it's just way easier with work experience, or a completed degree or fachausbildung

[tight kelp]

@warped atlas because I'm not that confident in my abilities and because I can't find anyone who wants to hire me .-.

[exotic barn]

what do you do @tight kelp ?

[tight kelp]

programming

[exotic barn]

oh

[tight kelp]

but everyone asks for people with experience, my cv can't have experience if nobody wants to hire me first

[exotic barn]

what kind?

capitalist logic

[tight kelp]

any kind, for now xD

[exotic barn]

web?

[tight kelp]

desktop apps

[exotic barn]

hmm

mac?

[tight kelp]

windows. I can also do web design but I don't like it that much

[exotic barn]

yeah that's a bit far from what we do here :/

mostly web and AI stuff

[tight kelp]

ai :o

[exotic barn]

NPL, computer vision etc

not me tho

I do mac/iOS

[tight kelp]

I've been wanting to learn machine learning, will start experimetning with it soon

i want to widen my portfolio but it'll take time. I need to pay rent until then

[exotic barn]

yeah

[south oriole]

Contribute to an open source project, do a job related to what you want to do, or use the fake it till you make it approach

[undone gyro]

@sick imp what's the language proficiency for Tu

[rose cedar]

TU Wien?

[exotic barn]

@undone gyro You can apply with B2, but you need C1 by October

Source: I spammed them with questions

[undone gyro]

What do you mean October

[exotic barn]

This works for most of the Austrians unis

Wintersemester starts in October

[sick imp]

What if she's joining in the summer semester? 😛

[undone gyro]

Okay so I'd have to be nearly c1 to apply

What if it takes me 50 years

[exotic barn]

If you're dedicated it won't

So I just read a new letter from TH Campus Wien and they also require only B2 for bewerbung

Btw for German unis it's a bit different

[sick imp]

I'd highly recommend already having a certificate by the time you apply.

[exotic barn]

If you apply for a NC bachelor you need to have C1 for bewerbung but some unis accept B2 and even B1. If you apply for a nicht Zulassungsbeschränkt bachelor, you need to have B1 for bewerbung and c1 for zulassung.

[solemn bay]

I think generally if you are capable of doing a degree, you are capable of getting C1 in a reasonable period of time.

[exotic barn]

How much time do you have and what do you want to study?

[undone gyro]

😭 rip me

I can do it but not if I'm depressed

And I can't control that

[exotic barn]

Then say bye to your dream

[sick imp]

Then meme with us in German and we'll provide you with lots of cookies and hugs.

[undone gyro]

You said it'd take 2 years

To get to c1

Now

[exotic barn]

Tbh the best way for you is to choose a not zulassungbeschränkt course and get B1 by bewerbung, then spend 3 months in Germany and get C1 by zulassung

[undone gyro]

My age +2

[exotic barn]

if you want to apply for Wintersemester2018

[undone gyro]

I start when my England friends graduate in a year

What

[exotic barn]

I took me 1 year to get C1

[undone gyro]

I gave up trying to apply for something this year

[tight kelp]

Listen to foxxy, she's an amazing learner

[exotic barn]

Would be a kek if I don't get C1 certificate

But who cares haha

unis care

not sure how relevant this is but I plan to at least be B1 or B2 at the end of the year just by self-studying, because I'm anticipating I'll get into a studienkolleg when I apply in Germany anyway (instead of going straight into uni) and afaik most stks require a b2

sharcc wants to attend in Austria?

[tight kelp]

I'm very curious as to your method, fox

[exotic barn]

Yes Rafi

it works

SK requires B1

[undone gyro]

Yes Austria

Bc I just need to pass to get in