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#general-2
hot cloak
oblique mica
Hallo! Jemand hat geschrieben: "Auf der Heide" und ich war ein bißchen überrascht, weil ich dieses Wort nur als "pagan" kennte. Also, wenn ich alles richtig verstehe: "der Heide" bedeutet "the pagan" und "die Heide" bedeutet "the heather", richtig?
sudden panther
I think @slim sluice can help you out there. He's an expert on Heiden.
sudden panther
Idk where I could have heard it. 😳
slim sluice
its from a really cute song uwu xx
sudden panther
This is why you draw inappropriate pictures on bread.
slim sluice
i was just quoting best member blossom
minor epoch
does anyone know it German universities have a concept similar to summer-research programs for science undergraduates
noble ermine
@raw grove I just saw you on the Dark server
raw grove
Hi
noble ermine
I was the one who said "Die Invasion der Ausländer"
noble ermine
I'm no native speaker certainly but we can practice together if you like
noble ermine
yea
hot cloak
Aghh
I can’t pronounce the word ‘sprechen’
The German word for ‘speak’
Idk if I spelt it right
Its so difficult
fair iron
You did.
hot cloak
That’s nice
sudden panther
@hot cloak @urban sun @strange skiff the bot is preventing you from hoisting for a reason, please stop.
urban sun
Yes sir 🙋♂️
hot cloak
sudden panther
Doubt that.
strange skiff
mach kein auge diggi
I am proud to say i've contributed in the cleansing of hoisty names
twin plaza
warum heißt denn dieser Chat allgemein wenn wier hier nicht alle gemein sind?
ich bin immer nett zu euch
twin plaza
weil nur ich gemein sein darf
@lilac dew das hört sich nach Schete an
twin plaza
ich selbst hätte 'weil nur ich darf gemein sein' geschrieben
lilac dew
Schelte??
twin plaza
watch?v=zsRsMkDF1Bs checke diesen Link out
twin plaza
wenn ich dieses Video anhöre fühle ich mich wirklich so als ob meine Vorfahren aus jener Gegend gekommen sind
vielleicht liegt es an dem R-Laut dat dort benutzt wird
der Mann hört sich irgendwie pennsylvanian an oder?
und ich meine nicht pennsylvania-dutch
sondern wie ein alter pennsylvanian der kein pennsylvania dutch kann
twin plaza
was meinste?
weil du fast nichts verstehen kann?
ich kann nur bits and pieces verstehen
twin plaza
viel schwerer zu verstehen als regular platt
lilac dew
ja
twin plaza
watch?v=ngDk3OMgAyQ
lilac dew
normalerweise im Plattdeutschen sagt man "snackt"
twin plaza
dieses Video hat mich vollgetötet
und ja ich hab 'volltöten' erfunden wenn du fragen musst
twin plaza
ich bin davon überzeugt dass alle Amis mit diesem Akzent sprechen sollten
lilac dew
sollnen lol
lilac dew
sollnen lol
twin plaza
hatte zuerst sollen aber das war zu stark
du Beterwitter
meine Lieblingszeilen von diesem Lied sind 'der Herr komm runge' und 'es ist am Überschwemme'
lilac dew
tja bün ik wol
twin plaza
runge mit nem hard R lmao
lilac dew
datt ik de wat verklookfideln müüs se scho Problem
twin plaza
es hört sich so vertraut an
was du grade gesagt hast hab ich nicht verstanden
verklookfideln
wat
lilac dew
dass ich dir was erklären muss ist schon ein Problem
hmm
lieber klarmachen
aber so in der Richtung
lilac dew
kann ich nicht mehr ausstehen lmao
twin plaza
hmm
eigentlich nur Schwedisch würde ich sagen
aber letztens habe ich auch mit Italienisch angefangen
lilac dew
schön
twin plaza
und ich habe auch vor Ungarisch bis Niveau B1~B1.5 zu lernen
lilac dew
schöne Sprache
twin plaza
haste polnische Vorfahren?
twin plaza
lmao ok girl
lilac dew
girl was
twin plaza
hört sich an wie scheißiges Russisch
lilac dew
ich lerne immer Sprachen nach beliebiger Wahl
twin plaza
ja das solltest du schon
lilac dew
um ne die beiden sind verschieden und schön sowie sie sind
twin plaza
warum lernst du Russisch und Japanisch?
btw ich verbringe nicht viel Zeit dabei Sprachen zu lernen
heutzutage nicht zumindest
zwischen dem Job, dem Garten, und den House-Renovations...
hab keine Energie übrig
muss mir ja auch alles Essen kochen, die Kleidung waschen, usw.
man soll auch putzen aber...
fällt mir schwer lol
twin plaza
aber ich habe schon die Zeit
twin plaza
aber nicht die seelische Energie sozusagen
kennst du den deutschen Satz für 'mental health issues'?
left jolt
(deutsch, spanisch, französisch, italienisch, georgisch, tschechisch, russisch, ukrainisch, litauisch, griechisch, ungarisch) sind die Sprachen die ich eines Tages lernen will
lilac dew
psychisches Problem kann man auch sagen
twin plaza
ich habe oben 'seelisch' benutzt was mich an 'geistlich' erinnert hat
lilac dew
lmao ja
twin plaza
in Deutschland habe ich immer über ghostly disturbances gehört
like what
ich wünsche dir viel Glück dabei oxygen
du hast ne Menge Zeit
verbringe sie wisely
mom kennst du readlang und memrise?
die sind meine Lieblingswebsites zum Sprachenlernen
left jolt
ich will Kursen auf 5 Sprachen an der Uni belegen
left jolt
wieso nicht
twin plaza
weil man irgendein Hauptfauch haben muss oder?
left jolt
ich habe 3 Hauptfaecher
twin plaza
bist du aber noch nicht in der Highschool?
twin plaza
ach so, du hast nicht so viel Zeit wie ich gedacht habe lol
left jolt
Bin mit meinem ersten Jahr fast fertig
twin plaza
Ok, hört sich wohl möglich an in dem Falle
dass wird eine unique experience sein glaub ich
es gibt nicht viele die sowas sagen können
wie 'ich hab Kurse auf 5 Sprachen während meiner Zeit an der Uni belegt'
left jolt
Deutsch und Spanisch habe ich schon belegt, Franzoesisch werde ich naechtes Jahr auch mit den 2 anderen belegen und ich moechte auch Italienisch und Russisch lernen
gentle condor
allgemein
runic garden
All diese Sprachen finde ich durchaus schön! Meine Universität bietet leider kein Russisch an, trotzdem würde ich sie doch gerne einmal lernen
twin plaza
bottletop möchtest du Korrekturen?
runic garden
Immer
gentle condor
Sie können dich Russisch Lehern
runic garden
Ups ich habe ein verb verlegt
twin plaza
alle dieser Sprachen oder all diese Sprachen*
trotzdem würde ich*
mal* (nicht einmal)
Sie können dich Russisch Lehern
@gentle condor lehren?
left jolt
dir lehren
twin plaza
'jemandem etwas beibringen' kommt auch häufig vor
zum Beispiel: "ich bringe mir Deutsch selbst bei"
"hast du das dir selbst beigebracht?"
runic garden
Lehren verlangt den akkfusativfall oder?
twin plaza
"ich bringe meinem Bruder bei, wie man sich in der Öffentlichkeit verhält"
left jolt
er Lehrer lehrt dir die Sprache. Er hat es mir gelehrt. Dir wird die Sprache gelehrt.
twin plaza
'dich lehren' = to school you
left jolt
Mein Ausbilder hat mich gelehrt
twin plaza
ich bin mir nicht sicher oxygen ob man 'lehren' so benutzen darf
twin plaza
muss bei linguee checken
gentle condor
das ist schwach
twin plaza
wenn man lehren wie 'jemandem etwas beibringen' benutzen möchte, muss man einen Nebensatz benutzen, laut Linguee
das sind aber kleine Details
nicht so wichtig momentan
gentle condor
okay
twin plaza
oh yeah 'das sind'
ist richtig
wenn man zwei Hauptwörter mit 'sein' verbindet, dann bestimmt das zweite Wort, wie das Verb konjugiert werden soll
gentle condor
ich kann nicht deutsch verstehen lol
twin plaza
z.b. "that's me" = "das bin ich"
gentle condor
so bin ich
twin plaza
ich kann nicht deutsch verstehen lol
@gentle condor was meinst du damit?
ich frage dich weil dieser Satz falsch ist
oder glaube ich zumindest
twin plaza
der wäre nur richtig in so einem Kontext: "verstehst du Deutsch?" "ich kann nicht Deutsch verstehen, sondern Russisch" (there was a misunderstanding about what language you understood)
gentle condor
idk how to say it in german but. whenever im speaking to someone who has a higher level in german than I do i just cant understand them
twin plaza
"i don't understand german" = "ich verstehe Deutsch nicht"
gentle condor
ya thats what I meant lol
twin plaza
"i don't understand your german" = "ich verstehe dein Deutsch nicht" = "dein Deutsch verstehe ich nicht"
gentle condor
well thats true too
twin plaza
"i don't understand any german" = "ich verstehe kein Deutsch"
"i don't understand german (as in 'german makes no sense')" = "die deutsche Sprache verstehe ich nicht" = "ich verstehe die deutsche Sprache nicht" (depending on emphasis)
gentle condor
ah I see
twin plaza
or "das Deutsche macht keinen Sinn" or "Deutsch macht keinen Sinn"
es gibt viele Möglichkeiten lol
gentle condor
ich muss nur zeit brauchen
twin plaza
hä?
gentle condor
kannst du in englisch korrigieren?
twin plaza
auf Englisch korrigieren*
gentle condor
danke
twin plaza
kann ich aber hier darf ich nicht weil hier nur Deutsch gesprochen werden soll
ich muss nur zeit brauchen
@gentle condor but theres no mods watching so.... was meinst du damit?
runic garden
Hier darf man Englisch
twin plaza
oh wirklich?
gentle condor
german is preferred
left jolt
🎵 froh sein, heisst tot sein 🎵
twin plaza
lmao...
runic garden
Deutsch wird bevorzugt aber englisch darf auch sein
twin plaza
ohhhhhhhh
es gibt einen nur-deutsch text channel
das wusste ich nicht lmao
ich facepalme grad
twin plaza
ich muss nur zeit brauchen
@gentle condor this means "I just need to need time"
gentle condor
ah
left jolt
Ich muss mir nur Zeit nehmen
twin plaza
that means 'make time for something'
left jolt
exactly
twin plaza
alright sweet
gentle condor
wie kannst man sagt, "I just need to take my time"
twin plaza
oxygen, warum bist du nocht nicht als C1 eingestuft? dein Deutsch ist verdammt gut
wie kannst man sagt, "I just need to take my time"
@gentle condor wie sagt man*
so for that what youre saying is you just need t og oslowly
gentle condor
ja
twin plaza
thats an english idiom that doesnt exist in german
gentle condor
sheiße
twin plaza
so maybe youd say 'i just need to go slowly'
gentle condor
"ich muss langsam gehen"?
lone mist
just say despacito
twin plaza
dont be dismayed though, many idioms are shared, like 'mit etwas zu tun zu haben' (to have to do with something)
gentle condor
lol
gentle condor
hmm
twin plaza
but isnt as formal sounding as proceed in english
runic garden
Ich finde vorgehen passend
twin plaza
or i guess i meant 'you wanna fight about it?'
lone mist
🤼♂️
twin plaza
ich glaube dass es "vorgehen" nicht is
@gentle condor nicht "vorgehen" ist*
gentle condor
ist
runic garden
Dieses wort ist wie gehen, aber es geht mehr um den Prozess
gentle condor
jd, bist du silly?
gentle condor
shut
twin plaza
z.B. 'wat is dat? oh, dat is en kat'
lone mist
60
left jolt
61
gentle condor
z.B. 'wat is dat? oh, dat is en kat'
das ist englisch
twin plaza
haha fast Englisch
gentle condor
no
left jolt
Scheissdeutsch is just dutch
gentle condor
lol
twin plaza
nein, ist's nicht
left jolt
mMn
gentle condor
nein es ist Texasdeutsch
twin plaza
Scheißdeutsch ist ein eigener Dialekt von mir
ich meine dass ich ihn selbnt erfunden hab
gentle condor
enlisch ist ein Dialekt
twin plaza
der hat viele features aus vielen dialects
left jolt
Gehoert das Wort selbnt dazu
gentle condor
ich bin müde
left jolt
🙂
twin plaza
wie z.B. "meinem Nachbarn sein Kat is am Essen"
lillie you cant say 'zusammen' with anything other than certain greetings
runic garden
Achhh es tut so weh
left jolt
Voellig verstehbar
gentle condor
bulli said that it was correct 😠
twin plaza
meh
gentle condor
bulli is nicer than you jd, bulli is my favorite parent
twin plaza
it seems weird though, it doesnt really occur in natural german unless its used with 'an alle'
twin plaza
you just say 'gute Nacht'
gentle condor
im goinga sleep
twin plaza
you could say 'gute Nacht an alle' but thats much more formal
night lillie!
im sure when you wake up a native speaker will be in here telling me im wrong and that you can say 'gute Nacht zusammen' lmao
in which case listen to them
(obviously)
lone mist
You can use zusammen in other parts of speech, wtf?
ancient carbon
Idk i thought it was wrong when i first saw it
lone mist
I meant at jd
twin plaza
Ich glaube, dass man kann das sagen
@ancient carbon das sagen kann*
denn man kann auch "hallo zusammen" sagen
@ancient carbon thats a bad argument lol. seriously, look up "Gute Nacht zusammen" in a corpus and you dont find any hits
language isnt logical
twin plaza
just wait til you hear about Oberfeldbesetzung
gentle condor
atleast you can speak noam 
ancient carbon
Smh u can speak too
twin plaza
"ich wusste nicht, dass man sowas nicht hätte sagen sollen"
ancient carbon
U know words
left jolt
twin plaza
"ich wusste nicht, dass man sowas nicht hätte sagen sollen"
@ancient carbon look where the conjugated verb is in this relative clause
ancient carbon
The fact that i didnt even notice
left jolt
they dont
ancient carbon
Why is it correct tho
twin plaza
but if you live in germany youll come across it about once a day
its too complicated to explain the whole phenomenon of it noam
ancient carbon
K then when do you put it first as opposed to last
twin plaza
but in this instance, its like that because its Konjunktiv II in a relative clause with a double infinitive
gentle condor
Nur DE
twin plaza
so its not exactly something that happens all the time
ancient carbon
:((
twin plaza
"yerman is preferred"
gentle condor
yerman
twin plaza
ich erkläre ihm die deutsche Grammatik
yeah thats how spanish native spakers pronounce german
twin plaza
obviously only some though lol
left jolt
aleman
ancient carbon
Ist konjunktiv 2 mit zwei anderen Verben immer in der ersten position?
hot cloak
ne?
twin plaza
will do
ancient carbon
Ja stimmt
ancient carbon
Komisch
twin plaza
it can happen without Konjunktiv II, sometimes its optional, etc.
its too complicated ot explain the whole thing here
especially for something that you might come across once in the whole next year lol
gentle condor
naturally
twin plaza
i just love to drop things like that because its intense
ancient carbon
Könnte man nur immer sagen "dass ich das sagen können hätte"
twin plaza
nein, das darf man hier nicht sagen. ist nicht "optional"
ancient carbon
Scheiß
twin plaza
es kann sein, dass Muttersprachler es so sagen, weiß ich nicht
ancient carbon
Ist quatsch
twin plaza
aber was die formelle Sprache angeht wäre das falsch
Könnte man nur immer sagen "dass ich das sagen können hätte"
@ancient carbon idk what you meant with 'nur immer sagen'
twin plaza
btw people almost never use 'sagte' in speach
left jolt
Welcher Unmensch hat den Daumen runter gegeben
twin plaza
i could be wrong here but your sentence seems unnatural, and you use sagte a lot
lmao where do you see that oxygen
Weiß nicht warum ich sagte das
@ancient carbon you had it correct the first time. warum ich das sagte*
ancient carbon
Ich werde nur "hat gesagt" jetzt benutzen
twin plaza
mich geht das nichts an
ancient carbon
Also ok
twin plaza
ich klicke nicht darauf lol
'hab gesagt' you mean
or 'gesagt hab'
i use sagte in 'ich sagte ihm'
ancient carbon
Thats what i meant
twin plaza
but in relative clauses it seems like i would only use gesagt hab
ancient carbon
Klar
twin plaza
Ich werde nur "hat gesagt" jetzt benutzen
@ancient carbon ab jetzt werde ich nur "hab gesagt" benutzen
ab jetzt = from now on
ancient carbon
Ah ok
ancient carbon
Ich soll das wahrscheinlich wissen lmao
ancient carbon
Ich muss weitere präpositionen lernen
twin plaza
"sollen" is a very strong word
twin plaza
using it with Konjunktiv makes it softer
ancient carbon
Ok
twin plaza
i know you meant "i probably should know that" but idk, it seemed unnatural. maybe 'das sollte ich vielleicht wissen'
the other corrections i gave meant 'i should've known that'
ancient carbon
So you would say should have and not should know
twin plaza
i changed wahrscheinlich to vielleicht there btw
well the ymean different things
"i should probably know that" i think is an english meme
ancient carbon
Meme?
twin plaza
meaning "i learned that, but forgot it, so really i should know that"
or "i need to know that for an upcoming test"
something like that
ancient carbon
Yeah fs
twin plaza
yeah i mean technically language is a meme
ancient carbon
Tru
twin plaza
but what i mean is if you say it literally in german, it wont carry the meme status from english
so saying something like 'i shouldve known that' is similar and natural sounding too
ancient carbon
Yeah i get what u mean
twin plaza
im nitpicking but i hope its helpful lol
ancient carbon
You cant just "know" something in pressnt tense if you mean "learn"
Idk if that makes sense to u but it does to me
twin plaza
oh you were talking about a correction or something lol
twin plaza
ohhh
not necessarily
the only way to know is to have read/heard millions of words of german
so then you know that thats not a phrase
ancient carbon
What i mean is that even in english that sentence shouldnt make sense
twin plaza
it makes perfect sense to me
twin plaza
yeah but you didnt know it then, so you dont know it now necessarily
but i see what you are saying now
in turkish they do the opposite for some sayings
they use the past conjugation for the present
ancient carbon
Weird
twin plaza
when expressing emotions
like if i said something
youd say 'i liked that' in turkish rather than 'i like that'
so its really an arbitrary choice
ancient carbon
Ive heard people say i liked that
When the thing was still happening or being shown
twin plaza
"ich habe schon mal sowas von Leuten gehört"
german does have the double infinitive thing but its weird and you have to cjungate it differently, and its very literal
"ich habe ihn essen sehen" = i saw him eating
ancient carbon
Das ergibt mir wenigen Sinn
ancient carbon
Shit
twin plaza
yeah i dont have an explanation for that lol
ancient carbon
I thought since its keinen sinn
ancient carbon
K that ones not my fault 😦
twin plaza
yeah and idk what the rules are for when they are or not lol
youd say "das ergibt viel Sinn"
"das ergibt wenig Sinn"
"das ergibt keinen Sinn"
oh watch this trick
ancient carbon
Ich werd das mich erinnern
left jolt
sich an etwas erinnern
twin plaza
that also means to remember
as in recall
so theres no 'good phrase' for it so to speak
ancient carbon
Doesn't recall mean the exact same thing as remember
twin plaza
from an english perspective
"daran werde ich mich erinnern"
nah, we use 'remember' to also mean 'memorize'
"remember these words!"
means "memorize these words so you can recall them later"
ancient carbon
Ahh
twin plaza
so theyre telling you to remember them in the future
which as native speakers we know take to mean in the present so it has 2 meanings lmao
ancient carbon
I should probably learn abt english before learning german
twin plaza
nah its ok, that wouldnt really get covered
just know that words dont line up lol
like how theres no german word for awkward
left jolt
peinlich
twin plaza
for socially awkward things you use embarrassing, for physically awkward things you use clumsy
if you wanna use it in the english sense then you say 'awkward' with a german accent
left jolt
unangenehm
twin plaza
ahwkwuhd
ancient carbon
Ach wurd
ancient carbon
Bruh
twin plaza
in this case, manchen is manch but in plural dative lmao
similarly "das ergibt keinen Sinn" could mean that too
but instead youd say "das ergibt keinem Sinn"
twin plaza
keinem = to nobody
ancient carbon
Oh i see
twin plaza
its not modifying Sinn
people dont say that though because it can be misheard lol
but it would be grammatical
ancient carbon
But then if u wanted to say that it makes some sense, wouldnt you also say "manchen"
Cuz masc akku
ancient carbon
Yeah wtf
twin plaza
youd use 'wenig' lol
ancient carbon
But i was tryna say that makes little sense to me
twin plaza
"das ergibt mir wenig Sinn"
you had it correct except for wenig
as we already discussed
twin plaza
"nur wenig" then maybe
oh that would be little
some sense really means little sense here
twin plaza
looking online people have said 'ein bisschen Sinn'
it doesnt sound right to me but id have to defer to a native speaker
i mean hell i myself might even say that, i have no idea lol
opal sequoia
What's the confusion here?
twin plaza
how do you say 'that makes some sense' in german?
twin plaza
base is about to take away my C flair for not knowing with 100% confidence haha
opal sequoia
No, stuff like this is hard.
ancient carbon
Ive seen people pass the cambridge english c1 tests with a far worse grasp on the language than u
twin plaza
also Sinn is both countable and uncountable in this context which makes it even more confusing
opal sequoia
One way you could say "that makes some sense" could be "Das ergibt irgendwie Sinn", I think.
twin plaza
yeah there were some folks at college who had awful english but still passed the test lol
opal sequoia
It's like saying "That kinda makes sense."
twin plaza
meta lol
twin plaza
noam what do you think of this: "das ergibt einen Sinn"
twin plaza
thats why i said its both countable and uncountable lol
ancient carbon
I mean "irgendwie"
twin plaza
"ive heard that sentence" was referring ot rigendwie
ancient carbon
But what does your sentence mean?
twin plaza
"and yep its real" was referring to "einen Sinn"
it means the same thing as "das ergibt Sinn"
ancient carbon
I mean I guess it makes sense that "einen sinn" exists assuming "keinen" does aswell
opal sequoia
And another way to say "that makes little sense" could be "Das ergibt kaum Sinn" which is like "That barely makes sense".
twin plaza
no noam i think you use 'kein' with uncountable nouns too like yogurt
"es gibt hier keinen Joghurt mehr"
ancient carbon
Right
twin plaza
i like that one base
ancient carbon
If kaum and irgendwie exist, then which one is a synonym with wenig?
opal sequoia
Neither.
twin plaza
you can also say "das ergibt kaum einen Sinn"
irgendwie = somehow when translated literally
opal sequoia
Wenig is like "few", irgendwie means "somehow" but it also can mean "kinda", and "kaum" means "barely/scarcely".
ancient carbon
So when i say "Das ergibt mir wenig Sinn" what am i saying
twin plaza
"thatmakes little sense to me"
ancient carbon
So the same as kaum
ancient carbon
😦
twin plaza
base i am consantly asking myself how i know all this lol
i somehow just absorbed german onec i reached a certain level
ancient carbon
Talking i guess
twin plaza
well i didnt talk til i was already able to read novels lol
aside from being forced to say like 4 sentences every time i hadclass
ancient carbon
How did u work on ur accent then?
twin plaza
talking wont teach you the fine nuances of kaum vs. wenig vs. viel etc etc tec unless you are hearing them used when talking
ancient carbon
Did u just do that later
twin plaza
you can work on your accent without actually producing the language
i worked on my accent from day one
ancient carbon
talking wont teach you the fine nuances of kaum vs. wenig vs. viel etc etc tec unless you are hearing them used when talking
@twin plaza thats what i mean
opal sequoia
Once you have the capacity to understand sentences then you can absorb a lot of media pretty fast just by being around it a lot.
twin plaza
Once you have the capacity to understand sentences then you can absorb a lot of media pretty fast just by being around it a lot.
@opal sequoia yeah im getting close tothat point with swedish now. it takes forever to get the really basic words ingrained but then everything starts clicking without having to think much
ancient carbon
How many fkn languages are you learning?!!?
U got german turkish and now swedish?
twin plaza
yeah swedish is an experiment i started in 2015
it was to prove that i can learn it w/o grammar lessons, classes, textbooks, etc.
i allow the use of a dictionary and thats it
ancient carbon
And you just didnt learn grammar?
twin plaza
its basically english+german but then dutchified and swedishified a bit
ancient carbon
Fair
twin plaza
almost every piece of grammar in swedish exists in english and/or german
i started italian through absorption recently too, but i havent had much mental energy to spend on teh languages
opal sequoia
I imagine also having learned a second language before helps you skip a lot of steps anyway.
twin plaza
if i actually focused on them like i did with german then id make very quick progress
opal sequoia
Usually the people who need to focus the most on grammar are people who haven't learned any similar language before.
Whereas if you learn one language and then another one very similar, even if there are differences, you can probably connect the dots most of the time.
That doesn't count native languages, of course.
twin plaza
plus when learning 3rd etc. languages you already know what works for you so you dont have to waste time finding resources
one thing i found that really helped me base was seeing how different languages could be
aftre learning turkish i feel like ive seen it all
opal sequoia
Yeah.
twin plaza
so nothing really phases me anymore. if i come across a sentence and the words seem like theyre in a random order, i know that itll click eventually
opal sequoia
I've been trying to learn Polish off and on since before I learned German. I still don't know it at all since I haven't been able to commit a solid period of time to it, but even just reading about the grammar helped me a lot even for understand German grammar.
Or just generally having a broader concept of language.
twin plaza
yeah and now that youre at a high level in german, the polish case and gender system wont phas eyou as much
opal sequoia
🙂
twin plaza
you intuitively grasp how it works, and you also have the confidence that youll be able to learn it
opal sequoia
Sadly, German doesn't help at all with the complexity of Polish.
The declension is hell.
But Polish sure makes German declension look like nothing.
ancient carbon
The pronunciation is hell
twin plaza
honestly when i started learning german i probably didnt think id ever be able to use words correctly. it seemed impossible to learn genders/cases
twin plaza
yeah polish declension seems extra lol
ancient carbon
The names tho
opal sequoia
I find the sounds easier to produce in Polish, although I can't speak quickly.
German sounds were harder for me to learn.
ancient carbon
Still no idea how to pronounce durch
opal sequoia
Polish has really easy gender.
ancient carbon
Like how r u supposed to do the soft ch after ur
opal sequoia
But the declension is so hard.
twin plaza
theres a few different ways to say durch
that ch is like in ich
base it took me two years to realize that the german R was uvular
i thought it was like thespanish R
so i spoke like that, but it never sounded right lmao
opal sequoia
Like even though it only has 3 genders it has like 13 different noun categories or something.
ancient carbon
twin plaza
im like why dont my R's sound right
opal sequoia
Maybe even more if you add in the different exceptions to that.
ancient carbon
This is me trying to say durch
twin plaza
i came across a video that showed native speakers saying words with R in them and im like wow, thats uvular
ancient carbon
Luckily my mom took german in college and her pronunciation is pretty ok so i got uvular r and shit
twin plaza
noam you were pretty close in the middle of that recording. at the end you went back to dorch though
ancient carbon
I just cant have the back "oooo" and immediatly go "eeeech"
And the r makes it even harder
twin plaza
click the little speaker button. ignore the swiss pronunciation though lolo
the 'eeech' isnt nasalized though noam
ancient carbon
Was i nasalizing it?
twin plaza
idk
but if you were that would explain why its impossible
youd have to open your nasal passages halfway through lol
like vietnamese or something
it is pretty much as simple as dooo-eeech
i probably just said 'durch' to myself 70 times in a row lol
like over the past 2 minutes
ancient carbon
Mee too hahah
silver brook
I was wondering if I could uh learn German here..?
twin plaza
by here do you mean this server?
silver brook
Yeah and in this channel.
twin plaza
yeah this is a great place to learn
ancient carbon
left jolt
my friend is goin on a 30 day hike
opal sequoia
Sure, feel free. @silver brook
ancient carbon
Oh shit i deleted it
silver brook
So uh what should I learn first?
opal sequoia
Go to #botchannel and type >faq beginner
ancient carbon
left jolt
haben und sein
twin plaza
so its not like doo-eech
its a smooth transition
hold the doo and then slide towards eee
ancient carbon
and theres no r?
silver brook
Okay thanks for the help! I’ll learn some after my cod session!
twin plaza
without an R it would rhyme with either Buch (long u) or Bucht (short u)
ancient carbon
ancient carbon
twin plaza
im about to go t ebed btw
ancient carbon
Yayy
twin plaza
most of the word is the vowel(s)
ancient carbon
Decent is what im going for
gentle condor
nett
twin plaza
even in the sentence you held the ch too long
twin plaza
and still your U isnt german enough
only if you make your U more german and dont hold the ch as long
lillie im teaching noam how to say 'durch' lol
ancient carbon
twin plaza
its like du-euch
ancient carbon
i think that was worse than the last one
twin plaza
idk
i mean i know exactly what youre saying, its not bad at all
in isolation though its ver ynon native
also i guess its more like du-ich
rather than iech
its not too hard of an E sound
ancient carbon
twin plaza
next up youre gonna learn Storch. that one is advanced lol
ahhhhhh
ok youre rounding your lips like theres an english W sound
get rid of that and i think youre gonna be pretty much there
gentle condor
rip imagine
gentle condor
bruh 😔
twin plaza
bro you said dorch den Storch
ancient carbon
If i try doing that it sounds like dorch
Yeah exactly
I have to round my lips
What else am i gonna do
twin plaza
yeah they need to be rounded
when i said not super rounded i meant like
if you do a really hard U sound in german your lips almost close
like if i try to put my pinky in, it touches on all sides. very close
ancient carbon
twin plaza
for durch, its like the U sound but your jaw is relaxed
and the opening to your lips is wider than it is tall
for U it gets more circular
gentle condor
bitch lasagna v1.2
twin plaza
btw when i said 'you' in the past bunch of comments i meant 'an accentless speaker'
not you specifically
gentle condor
man
twin plaza
alright im gonna get off now
ancient carbon
Ok
twin plaza
i think youll master durch through other words
like youll improve your pronunciation on other fronts
and the next time you try itll be much better
twin plaza
lol oxygen
ancient carbon
Thats what i was gonna say
twin plaza
night guys
ancient carbon
Too slow on iphone 😔
twin plaza
stay fresh
ancient carbon
Nachti
gentle condor
smh my meme hardrive isnt plugged in
ancient carbon
meme hardrive?
ancient carbon
When u got 1 tb of memes
ancient carbon
My entire camera roll is memes
gentle condor
lol
ancient carbon
The problem is that when i remember a good one i cant pull it up cuz its not labeled
ancient carbon
gentle condor
lmao
I also ahve a 3ds backup on my meme flashdrive
well
its actually the default SD layout for a hacked 3ds
gentle condor
lol
ancient carbon
But i was like 9
gentle condor
I have like 5, ya want one /s
ancient carbon
Nah i got a switch
gentle condor
cringe
ancient carbon
Fair
ancient carbon
Me neither
I used to play smash at school every day
Then summer happened and i got bored
ancient carbon
Brooo i main link
gentle condor
ancient carbon
So has everyone
Seems like the whole world was obsessed for a few weeks then just quit
I never even played it
gentle condor
lol
the game gets boring after you get kk slider in your town
like- youre trying so hard to get him there and youre like, "ahh this is gonna be soo fun when I get him"
and then the game sucks afterwards
gentle condor
its not something you can play for a long time
its good when you get into it
but, theres better games tbh
ancient carbon
Its kinda boring tbh
I only did it cuz i had 2nd period free last year
And no friends who also has 2nd period free
ancient carbon
Every period daily, but mondays every period was short
ancient carbon
That doesnt sound fun
gentle condor
its actually pretty nice when you get used to it
you end up having tons of free time per class and you have a full 48hrs to do your homework
ancient carbon
Knowing my teachers, there will be no free time
Would
Me when i forget the konjunktiv II
ancient carbon
It is
ancient carbon
I dont really care
I just feel bad for the poor politics-less schmucks being fed right wing propaganda through yt ads
gentle condor
bruh I just dont want said yt ads lol
ancient carbon
I mean, i get trump and prager u ads and i dismiss them but some people do further research
Which sucks
ancient carbon
Yt ads are annoying
gentle condor
they are
ancient carbon
Tru
gentle condor
but they get money through sponsorships
ancient carbon
If i really care if someone gets money i would donate to them
gentle condor
lol true
ancient carbon
Also most of the people who i would actually want to give money dont get much from ads anyways
Cuz their content strays too far from the overton window
ancient carbon
Yeah
ancient carbon
Hahaha
I'd honestly probably put "cool" as the first translation since its the most common imo
ancient carbon
Fair
gentle condor
also, thats what the code I showed you before is for
ancient carbon
Bet
ancient carbon
Ich sollte vllt ins bett jetzt gehen lmao
gentle condor
VIELLEICHT
gentle condor
yes ik
ancient carbon
gentle condor
lol a vllt are seperate
ancient carbon
?
gentle condor
nachti
radiant matrix
I‘d like to claim that despite all the surrounding context, in that sentence you posted, geil does not translate as “horny” but as “awesome” @gentle condor
generally, the meaning “horny” only applies to geil sein, not sich geil fühlen
hot cloak
Guten Morgan Zusammen
mental fog
Was ist verkohlte Pflanze?
torpid flint
eine pflanze die verbrannt ist
und jetzt nur noch schwarz wie kohle ist
deshalb: verkohlt -> adjektiv kohle
@mental fog
mental fog
Danke
bold bolt
moin
mental fog
Grüezi
sage kayak
only German in #german-only @ebon glacier
ebon glacier
What
sage kayak
In that channel only German is allowed
sage kayak
And before you write in #other-languages
only languages that are not German or English there
ebon glacier
Alright
sage kayak
I don't really think you will be successful on your search for a teacher anytime soon
ebon glacier
H
sage kayak
But you could give #282831147942281216 a read
and also try >faq beginner in #botchannel
(nowhere else)
sudden panther
@ocean badge @limpid oasis @hot cloak Hi, we've reviewed the A0 situation and have decided to remove the A0 from your nicknames in order to be consistent with our general aim of suppressing intentional misrepresentation of CEFR levels. While we do understand that you mean no harm and are only joking, we do agree with others that seeing higher up level A speakers referring to themselves as A0 could demotivate learners who are just starting out. So while we're okay with jokes and fun, allowing this to continue for a longer time wouldn't be ideal. If you do want to goof around and form secret clubs, other tags or emoji are perfectly fine.
limpid oasis
👗
balmy plover
I have seen people use "C3" before but i thought the maxium is C2 , thoughts anyone?
pallid kelp
whoever it is they're memeing
radiant matrix
the only official cefr levels are {A,B,C}×{1,2}