general-2

[whole rapids]

both work? wat

[ocean robin]

yea Nola

[pine ginkgo]

all are possible

[shy bobcat]

Is "keinen Sorgen" in the dativ really ok?

[sour mesa]

Tfw nila 😂

[ocean robin]

[tribal warren]

Okay

[nocturne spruce]

It isn't in the dativ is it?

[tribal warren]

final version of the space doggo that left space

[whole rapids]

the verb is "sich (dat) Sorgen machen" @red pewter

[pine ginkgo]

or

ho

scratch that teeeis

:D

was typo

i didn't notice

[shy bobcat]

thought so 😉

[red pewter]

Do not worry, the bell has been rung: Mach dir keine Sorgen, die Glocke ist geklingelt worden.

let me just completely ignore the advice you gave me, why don't I

[sour mesa]

Lol

[whole rapids]

👏

you both gain a grammar point

PHASE 4 UNLOCKED!!!!!!!!

[ocean robin]

YAAAAAAAY

[whole rapids]

Continue?

[red pewter]

yes!

[ocean robin]

YES YES

[shy bobcat]

😄

[pine ginkgo]

btw

word usage

[whole rapids]

first an intermission for word usage

[ocean robin]

:<

[pine ginkgo]

Glocke ist geläutet

etc

[ocean robin]

oooh okay

[pine ginkgo]

too lazy to write more

[ocean robin]

np thanks solet

[pine ginkgo]

a bicycle bell "klingelt"

eine glocke "läutet"

[red pewter]

thank you

[pine ginkgo]

you can use klingeln

but normally, you'd use läuten for big bells

[sour mesa]

dict.cc wasn't git gut this time

[whole rapids]

PHASE 4 - PAST PERFECT
Translate: Unfortunately, the food had already been eaten

[ocean robin]

I am afraid about this

[shy bobcat]

@pine ginkgo Wouldn't a bike bell be a "Klingel" though. So "Klingel klingelt". Which sounds funny

[whole rapids]

refer to mental notes

[shy bobcat]

Or maybe I'm wrong

[ocean robin]

Leider war das Essen schon gegessen worden.

[pine ginkgo]

yes, teeeis

you can also use läuten for the fahrradklingel

[viscid cape]

Did I tell you guys how my pupil ditched me as her teacher

[ocean robin]

😦

was busy with meth

[cold vessel]

😂

[ocean robin]

WHICH I FUCKED UP TOO

[nocturne spruce]

Meth?

[ocean robin]

Math.

[cold vessel]

This explains everything

[ocean robin]

:>

[nocturne spruce]

Flops you are too young

[ocean robin]

Is this really a word?

the fuck is that

[shy bobcat]

Meth is a drug 😂

[nocturne spruce]

Only those above 3000 years old can take meth

[ocean robin]

WTF

[red pewter]

Unfortunately, the food had already been eaten: Das Essen war leider schon gegessen worden

[nocturne spruce]

Like Luna for example

[shy bobcat]

Flappo is a drug addict confirmed 😩

[ocean robin]

[whole rapids]

fear not @viscid cape, I am only the passive teacher

[cold vessel]

Flappy, go watch Breaking Bad, you can learn German later

[ocean robin]

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A DRUG

[pine ginkgo]

your head, bell

[viscid cape]

@whole rapids It's okay I've given up

[pine ginkgo]

i gonna take your head.

[ocean robin]

"Fear not"

[pine ginkgo]

if you don't fix the head

[red pewter]

D: D: D:

[ocean robin]

And me and me and me?

:>

[sour mesa]

TIL Flappy is really good with fractions

[pine ginkgo]

smart bell

i didn't even have to threaten with capital punishment

[sour mesa]

And basic arithmetic

[whole rapids]

you both gain a grammar point

[red pewter]

we got 4!!!

[ocean robin]

yaaay \o/

[whole rapids]

can you make it to the HIDDEN PHASE?

[ocean robin]

YES

[red pewter]

we can do it!!!

[ocean robin]

:)

[pine ginkgo]

please make sure they know something about it, before you give them the HIDDEN stuff, pferd

[red pewter]

it looks so non menacing when flaps uses >:)

[ocean robin]

:D

[whole rapids]

okay solet

[cold vessel]

Btw do one of the placements of "leider" sound better?

[ocean robin]

HIDDEN PHASE GO

[whole rapids]

but once they unlock it, I will worry about that

[pine ginkgo]

both are fine, henbri

none of them sound better

[nocturne spruce]

I like bell's placement better. But, both are grammatically correct

[sudden panther]

Floop drug addict. Ban.

[red pewter]

bell doesn't like word order so she moved it 😄

[shy bobcat]

personally I like it better with leider first but I'm just a silly non native who doesn't know how words work

[ocean robin]

I didn't know meth was a drug D:

I wanted to do a silly typo

[red pewter]

what did flaps say to start the drug conversation?

[ocean robin]

and failed 😦

[nocturne spruce]

My reasoning would be that I prefer "unfortunately" placed later in English as well

[sudden panther]

Excuses excuses. 😄

[ocean robin]

And then boom

Well Bell, I wanted to do a typo on math and said meth 🤔 without knowing what it was

[sour mesa]

You should always look it up

[cold vessel]

To be fair math is practically meth

[nocturne spruce]

you wanted to do a typo?

[ocean robin]

yeah :<

[sour mesa]

Or put it in quote

[whole rapids]

PHASE 5 - FUTURE
Translate: The book will be borrowed.

[ocean robin]

for once

NOOOO

ok you can do this

[whole rapids]

deep breaths

[red pewter]

oh no

[nocturne spruce]

it's easier than 3 and 4

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

the phases don't necessarily indicate difficulty

[ocean robin]

Das Buch wird ausgeliehen worden sein.

[cold vessel]

🤔

[nocturne spruce]

nope

[tribal warren]

rip

[pine ginkgo]

no

[shy bobcat]

😦

[ocean robin]

rip me

[whole rapids]

cbell can still save it

[tribal warren]

k, bell

you can do this

[ocean robin]

Bell save us plox

[nocturne spruce]

Flops ran before walking once again

[tribal warren]

Do you guys like my avatar?

<

[nocturne spruce]

Yeah

[ocean robin]

Did I just say "The book will have been borrowed"?

[nocturne spruce]

yup

[tribal warren]

yup

[ocean robin]

DAMMIT

[whole rapids]

flops total: 4

[tribal warren]

what phase is this?

[whole rapids]

PHASE 5

[ocean robin]

NO

HIDDEN PHASE

[whole rapids]

cbell can still make it

but you will gain no more points

only she

[ocean robin]

WHAT

YOU NEVER SAID THAT

D:

[whole rapids]

I make up the rules as I go along

[ocean robin]

damn I lost the game then

[whole rapids]

it's not like I can hide the sentence

[red pewter]

The book will be borrowed. Das Buch wird ausgeliehen werden

[ocean robin]

wait 🤔

[tribal warren]

Pferd is really making this a reality show

[ocean robin]

ikr

[whole rapids]

cbell gains a grammar point

[nocturne spruce]

Well done Cbell

[red pewter]

I looked up future 🤷

[whole rapids]

cbell used internet, it's super effective

[nocturne spruce]

Did you take notes?

[ocean robin]

wait pls what

i am confusion there

[tribal warren]

great job bell

[whole rapids]

berg

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

good bell

smart bell

[whole rapids]

tell flaps the structure for futur passiv

[ocean robin]

I failed I want to cri

[tribal warren]

uuh

[nocturne spruce]

it's k flops, failure is a step towards improvement

[tribal warren]

so basically

[red pewter]

werden conjugated for future + pas participle + werden

[nocturne spruce]

also, you probably failed due to overconfidence

[tribal warren]

you conjugate werden + past participle + werden

[ocean robin]

Werden conjugated for future.

[cold vessel]

Passive future is just future + passive 🤷

[whole rapids]

basically yes, but conjugated werden is in present tense

[nocturne spruce]

the "for future" part is to differentiate which "werden" is which

[red pewter]

oh, they're the same in present and future so I wasn't sure

[nocturne spruce]

it doesn't have gramatical meaning

[whole rapids]

okay fair enough

PHASE 6

FINAL PHASE

[ocean robin]

So I failed? I can't translate anymore?

[whole rapids]

flaps, it's just for lols

[cold vessel]

No one can stop you 😛

[whole rapids]

of course you can translate

but NO POINTS

[ocean robin]

oh okay

NOOOO

[whole rapids]

you can try get more another time

[ocean robin]

AND I AM SURE IT WILL BE FUTURE 2

[whole rapids]

right now cbell is the top scorer

[ocean robin]

THE ONE I CAN DO ACTUALLY

[cold vessel]

Futur 2 konjunktiv 2 passive

[ocean robin]

what the fuck 🤔

[nocturne spruce]

konjunktiv 1 plusquamperfekt futur 2 passive

[whole rapids]

PHASE 6 - THE ONE FLOPS CAN ACTUALLY DO - FUTURE PERFECT
Translate: The concert will have been booked out.

[ocean robin]

WHHHHHY

[nocturne spruce]

I read that as concrete

got confused for a sec

[pine ginkgo]

Der Beton wird haben gewesen büchern aus

[sour mesa]

Wew

[nocturne spruce]

Good job Luna

you can get the B Level role now

[ocean robin]

Das Konzert wird ausgebucht worden sein.

[nocturne spruce]

yup

[cold vessel]

Great job! +0 points 👏

[ocean robin]

😦

[red pewter]

The concert will have been booked out: Das Konzert wird ausgebucht worden sein.

[nocturne spruce]

don't mind them flops

[olive valley]

sehr löblich

[whole rapids]

flaps gains an imaginary point

WHAT'S THIS?

[ocean robin]

[cold vessel]

+i points 👏

[whole rapids]

CBELL HAS COMPLETED ALL PHASES

[nocturne spruce]

no other number can stand up to infinity except 0

[red pewter]

😄

[ocean robin]

me iz sed

[red pewter]

I'm gonna write this all down

[whole rapids]

HIDDEN PHASE UNLOCKED

Continue?

[ocean robin]

cries silently in corner

[nocturne spruce]

Hidden phase?

[pine ginkgo]

you should bell

[ocean robin]

WHY CAN'T I HAVE POINTS WHHHHHY

[pine ginkgo]

but you already seem to have the skill of INTERNET SEARCH

[red pewter]

yes, I would like to continue

[whole rapids]

remember what I said: you need to translate the sentences gramatically flawlessly

which means the first try

[ocean robin]

[whole rapids]

okay

[ocean robin]

b-but

[whole rapids]

let us peer into the darkness...

what's this...?

[ocean robin]

oh damn I am scared about this

[whole rapids]

the HIDDEN PHASE is not one phase?

[ocean robin]

WHAT THE HELL

[whole rapids]

it is SIX MORE PHASES?

[ocean robin]

WHAAAAT?

[whole rapids]

oh my

[ocean robin]

[cold vessel]

Konjunktiv for every tense? 🤔

[ocean robin]

DAMN THE HELL IS THAT

NONONO

[whole rapids]

the text reads...

[ocean robin]

HENBRI PLOX

[red pewter]

O_O

[whole rapids]

"KONJUNKTIV PASSIV"

[cold vessel]

😂

[ocean robin]

BUT WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT KONJUNKTIV IS

[sudden panther]

AHAHAHAHA

[ocean robin]

AND THAT YOU NEVER USED THAT TENSE IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE

[sudden panther]

I love you Horsie

[whole rapids]

if we look more closely

[sudden panther]

FLOPS

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

NEWSFLASH

THE KONJUNKTIV ISN'T A TENSE

[pine ginkgo]

flops

[ocean robin]

WHAT THE FUCK

[sudden panther]

IT'S A MOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

[pine ginkgo]

you already used konjunktiv before

[ocean robin]

mind = blown

[pine ginkgo]

but

[sudden panther]

Accidentally tough.

[pine ginkgo]

yes

[ocean robin]

damn what

[whole rapids]

the lock to these phases still needs more points

cbell only has 6

but she needs 9

[ocean robin]

D:

LOL

RIP US

[red pewter]

we have to unlock konjunctive first :?

[whole rapids]

CORRECT

[ocean robin]

AHHHH

PLEASE SEND HELP

[red pewter]

neat. we are learning something beefy.

how productive.

[ocean robin]

Beefy?

[red pewter]

meaty

[pine ginkgo]

not sure they should do that

[ocean robin]

oh

[red pewter]

we are learning ....a lot?

[pine ginkgo]

but pferd do pferd

i hope so, bell

[red pewter]

i was trying to explain beefy 😄

[nocturne spruce]

Konjunktiv 1: Useless stuff
Konjunktiv 2: Könnten and pals

[ocean robin]

ooh thankies Bell :3

[pine ginkgo]

haut pengu

böser pengu

[ocean robin]

wow

[whole rapids]

the wise word usage wizard solet recommends you rest and tackle Konjunktiv another time

Recklessly ignore his advice?

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

they should learn konjunktiv first

[nocturne spruce]

I mean honestly, how often does one use Konjunktiv 1?

[pine ginkgo]

before even thinking about passive

[whole rapids]

(that's the plan)

[olive valley]

Wer sagt denn, Konjunktiv I sei nutzloses Zeug

[ocean robin]

ignore
listen to his wise words

[viral thunder]

❌ Check failed. You probably don't have permission to do this.

[pine ginkgo]

der pengu

haut den pengu

[ocean robin]

LOL PLS

[sudden panther]

I mean honestly, how often does one use Konjunktiv 1?
Every day if you're @shy bobcat

[pine ginkgo]

germans use it, pengu

[whole rapids]

Tageschau spams it

[pine ginkgo]

also

if you ever write a german text

[sudden panther]

Every news site does.

[pine ginkgo]

you will use it

[olive valley]

Möge Gott Erbarmen mit dir haben!

[whole rapids]

sei sei sei habe habe habe hätten

[ocean robin]

woot

[tribal warren]

Pferd and his reality shows

[ocean robin]

seid

[pine ginkgo]

you can skip konj 1 for now if you want

[nocturne spruce]

I mean it's fun, but I really don't come across it all that often

[pine ginkgo]

but make sure they understand konjunktiv and how it is formed

[sudden panther]

Well 2 is usually taught first.

[ocean robin]

Dunno, do we need to kniw that for B1?

[whole rapids]

2 is first yeah

[nocturne spruce]

2 is very important, that I agree on

[whole rapids]

CBELL

[cold vessel]

What's the point of Konjunktiv 1 anyway 🤔

[ocean robin]

kniw yay

[sudden panther]

Yes. You need Konjunktiv 2 for B1.

[shy bobcat]

I don't even use conj ii that much 👀

[olive valley]

that just shows how uncultured you are

🏃🏼

[shy bobcat]

konj i*

[nocturne spruce]

ouch

[ocean robin]

wow :o

[red pewter]

so we are doing II :?

[whole rapids]

Shall you ENTER THE DEPTHS?

[ocean robin]

YES

[shy bobcat]

konj ii I use a lot of 😄 because otherwise you sound like a dödel

[pine ginkgo]

if you never use konj 1

[red pewter]

let's do it ! 😄

[pine ginkgo]

it's one of the problems you guys aren't fluent

[whole rapids]

cbell has the points, she decides

[ocean robin]

😦

how so damn

[nocturne spruce]

fair enough

[sudden panther]

Entong.

[ocean robin]

but eh whatever

[whole rapids]

okay

[pine ginkgo]

at very least if you want to make fun of bible quotes

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

you have to use konjunktiv 1

[nocturne spruce]

umm Luna

[pine ginkgo]

or sound religious

[ocean robin]

LOL

[pine ginkgo]

or like a cult or sect leader

[ocean robin]

creepy

[sudden panther]

I'd love to be a cult leader.

[red pewter]

a very noble endeavor, luna.

[nocturne spruce]

I've never opened a bible or read a verse

[sudden panther]

The cult of Vienna memes.

[whole rapids]

flops' and cbell's grammar points are reset as they enter the Konjunktiv zone, but fret not, the points have already been entered into the HIDDEN PHASE lock

[ocean robin]

@nocturne spruce you should see Krypti's translations

[sudden panther]

Your translations* Krypti's sentences*

[olive valley]

Wer unter euch ohne Sünde ist, der werfe den ersten Stein!

[whole rapids]

before we continue

[ocean robin]

"fret not" damn magnificent

[pine ginkgo]

but anyway

it's always non-natives who claim konj 1 is useless

so take it with a grain of salt

[whole rapids]

what is your understanding of Konjunktiv II @ocean robin and @red pewter?

[red pewter]

I don't know what it means.

[ocean robin]

none

it's uh, I have no idea what this is

[pine ginkgo]

you know conditional sentences, right, bell?

:)

[nocturne spruce]

fair enough, I should study up on Konjunktiv a bit, forgot a bit of it

[red pewter]

If you give me a sentence, I might be able to figure out what it is in english

oh yeah I know conditional

[ocean robin]

Wait, conditional yeah

[nocturne spruce]

More so Konjunktiv 1 than 2

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

A quick search confirms Solet's theory.

And reveals this old meme. 😏 https://i.imgur.com/qtVfIo9.png

[pine ginkgo]

lol arrem

[sour mesa]

Who is anja?

[whole rapids]

before we can enter the phases

[shy bobcat]

I don't remember much about konj i except for as the "quoted speech" tense

[sudden panther]

We don't really talk about Anja.

[shy bobcat]

[sour mesa]

Why not

[sudden panther]

Meme.

[pine ginkgo]

it's stupid

[whole rapids]

cbell and flaps must pass the first two tests

[sour mesa]

I see

[sudden panther]

How do I pase a test? ❤

[pine ginkgo]

but if you want to sound "educated" in german, you have to know how to use konjunktiv 1

[ocean robin]

idk

[nocturne spruce]

do you use it while talking much?

[pine ginkgo]

colloquially? not that much

[whole rapids]

TEST 1 - WERDEN
Give a conjugation of werden for Konjunktiv II

[pine ginkgo]

in writing? yes

[ocean robin]

uh

[shy bobcat]

Wer unter euch ohne Sünde ist, der werfe den ersten Stein!
Why is that konj i 👀

[sudden panther]

Because it is.

[pine ginkgo]

bible texts

[ocean robin]

let me look that up

[pine ginkgo]

it's kinda like a "soft command"

[sudden panther]

Oh why as in the reason, not what's Konj I.

[red pewter]

ich würde :?

[sudden panther]

My bad.

[nocturne spruce]

That also reminds me that I should practice writing more

[ocean robin]

oh okay

[shy bobcat]

@pine ginkgo yes IK that's a bible text 😛 but why is that konj i, I thought it was basically the "quote" tense more or less

[pine ginkgo]

if you want to write good sounding german texts

[ocean robin]

conditional huh so

[shy bobcat]

But that's onyl one of many usages it seems

[pine ginkgo]

you kinda need konjunktiv 1

[tribal warren]

did they get the HIDDEN PHASE?

[sudden panther]

Nope.

[ocean robin]

Ich würde

[whole rapids]

the HIDDEN PHASE was unlocked

[sudden panther]

Also the subjunctive section of Hammer's is worth a read if you have the time.

[tribal warren]

oh it was unlocked

[whole rapids]

but it required even more points to enter

[pine ginkgo]

if you ever write a paper or a thesis in german

you need konjunktiv 1

[whole rapids]

flops and cbell have passed the first test

[sudden panther]

Says the nerd who wrote his in English.

[pine ginkgo]

if you ever only need german on a conversational basis, then no, you don't need it

[nocturne spruce]

yeah, I'm guaranteed to need it down the line

So it's better to get a solid base now rather than later

[red pewter]

it's would :?

that's what konj II does?

it makes would?

[ocean robin]

When you scroll down because you are curious and then you get scared

[whole rapids]

TEST 2 - SEIN
Give a conjugation of sein in Konj 2

it's not that simple cbell

[red pewter]

ich wäre

[ocean robin]

wow that speed

[red pewter]

i was thinking of one I already knew.

[nocturne spruce]

Konj 2 is used when describing hypothetical situations for the most part

[pine ginkgo]

btw konjunktiv 2 is also sometimes called "Möglichkeitsform" or "Wunschform" which translates to "Form of Possibility" or "Form of Wishing"

[ocean robin]

ich wäre

[pine ginkgo]

so that can give you a hint to its purpose

[red pewter]

neat.

[pine ginkgo]

and how to remember it

[nocturne spruce]

It's also more respectful in many cases

[whole rapids]

cbell and flops have passed test 2

[ocean robin]

yus

[whole rapids]

the barrier falls

[ocean robin]

:o

[whole rapids]

they may enter the PHASES

[ocean robin]

YES

[whole rapids]

now you gain points

[ocean robin]

okay

[whole rapids]

failure results in death

[ocean robin]

:<

i am afraid about this

[pine ginkgo]

oh, and if you like philosophical texts, you need konjunktiv 1

[tribal warren]

Die hungrige Spiele

[ocean robin]

wat berg

[cold vessel]

Don't think we'll be reading Kant anytime soon 🤔

[tribal warren]

the hungry games xD

[ocean robin]

yeah what 🤔

[tribal warren]

Cause Pferd's game seems like Hunger Games

as in

you fail you die

and so on

[nocturne spruce]

Ah, then I shall start revising it tomorrow

And perhaps find some philosophical test to read

[whole rapids]

PHASE 1 - WITH SEIN
Translate: ... you guys would be smarter.

[ocean robin]

"you guys"

welp

[whole rapids]

no second person plural in English

[cold vessel]

y'all 😄

[red pewter]

Ihr wäret schlauer.

is kluger a word :? that's what I wanted to use but didn't see in dict.cc

[pine ginkgo]

klüger

[red pewter]

ohhhh.

[pine ginkgo]

klug -> klüger

[cold vessel]

cbell, it's easier if you search for the undeclined form

[red pewter]

yeah, I think I was stalking once when you told flaps that the comparative tends to get a vowel shift.

[pearl prawn]

klug -> klüger -> am klügsten

[ocean robin]

Ihr Leute wäret schlauer. uh, is the Leute required in this case or am I getting killed? D:

[whole rapids]

YOU HAVE DIED

[red pewter]

I though Ihr was the same as Vous in french

[ocean robin]

THE HELL IS THAT

[whole rapids]

no, I dunno, maybe it's okay

[ocean robin]

oh

pferd don't make ma afraid like that, it hurts

[whole rapids]

there, there

[cold vessel]

The point of "guys" was presumably just to mark it as plural

[whole rapids]

henbraus with his B2 wisdom once more

cbell and flops gain a grammar point

[ocean robin]

And yes Bell, it's vous in French in the sense of "they are people and not one person"

[red pewter]

henbri isn't an A learner. I don't want him to hear it 😄

[ocean robin]

Or the formal as Sie in German.

[red pewter]

flaps, that's exactly the meaning here

[whole rapids]

the spikes do not impale them this time

[ocean robin]

Agreed with Bell.

[whole rapids]

PHASE 2 - WITH WERDEN
Translate: ... they would sing the song.

[ocean robin]

Whoa. 👀

The heck is my phone doing?

[sudden panther]

Discharging.

[red pewter]

They would sing the song: Sie würden das Lied singen.

[ocean robin]

Sie würden das Lied singen. 🤔

Why, I was going to use the Konj II of singen in itself

and then said "nah"

[whole rapids]

both phases passed

[ocean robin]

yus

[tribal warren]

will there be a boss, Pferd?

like each sentence is a hit

and they each have health bars

and each miss takes damage

[ocean robin]

LOL

[red pewter]

pferd, but that's a good question. what would happen if singen's konj II was used?

[whole rapids]

AUF EINMAL IST EIN UNGEHEUER AUFGETAUCHT

he demands you pass 2 tests for him before you may continue

[ocean robin]

:<

how so

[tribal warren]

haha

[whole rapids]

TEST 1
Give a conjugation in Konj 2 for singen and wissen

Berg, grammar bosses would be too hard for them

this is the beginner dungeon, no bosses here

[ocean robin]

ich wüsste und ich sänge

[red pewter]

ich sänge, ich wüsste

[tribal warren]

I see

Pferd you make this so interesting btw

great job

[whole rapids]

dank

DER UNGEHEUER IST ERFREUT

[tribal warren]

I wonder who the Ungeheuer is

is it arrem

[ocean robin]

[red pewter]

when you write in caps I can't tell when things are nouns T_T

[tribal warren]

Wenn der Ungeheuer nicht erfreut ist, dann verbannt er jeden

[pine ginkgo]

you gotta learn bell :D

[whole rapids]

TEST 2
Give a conjugation in Konj 2 for bezahlen and öffnen

[hot oriole]

I often don't know how to construct the Konj 2 in Standard German for certain words. That's when I cheat with würde.

[pine ginkgo]

bad bergi

[tribal warren]

rip

[pine ginkgo]

yeah, cheating with würde is always acceptable :P

or most times

[tribal warren]

Can you correct my sentence?

plos

[pine ginkgo]

das Ungeheuer

[tribal warren]

oh

I just copied Pferd's

BAD PFERD

jk I didn't know it either so it's mb too

[pine ginkgo]

BAN PFERD

[whole rapids]

LOL TROLLED

I just read it in my book yesterday so I guessed because it was "ein"

[tribal warren]

@pine ginkgo is Dann used correctly there? I feel like it's not needed but I used it anyways

[pine ginkgo]

yes

[tribal warren]

k

[pine ginkgo]

not "really" needed

but why not

[tribal warren]

Wenn das Ungeheuer nicht erfreut ist, dann verbannt er jeden (das ist, weil es Arrum ist)

[ocean robin]

ich bezahlte und ich öffnete

[red pewter]

ich bezahlte, ich öffnete

[tribal warren]

bad floppo

[ocean robin]

huh

[whole rapids]

DAS UNGEHEUER IST SEHR ERFREUT

[ocean robin]

YAY

[tribal warren]

he's pleased?

[ocean robin]

damn phone

[tribal warren]

[ocean robin]

D:

[whole rapids]

typos

[pine ginkgo]

will you also teach them the replacement techniques, pferd?

[tribal warren]

btw are you guys looking up on the internet or you just know all of these conjugations?

[whole rapids]

yes

[red pewter]

no, we totally are looking these up

[pine ginkgo]

good pferd

[tribal warren]

I see

[ocean robin]

TBH I got for bezahlen right before looking up except for the typo

[red pewter]

this is my first encounter with everything besides würde and wäre

[whole rapids]

DAS UNGEHEUER EXPLODIERT PLÖTZLICH

PHASE 3

[ocean robin]

boom

WOT

[tribal warren]

PHASE ³

[ocean robin]

Bergo, the previous one was better 😦

[tribal warren]

It was just a meme, though

[ocean robin]

wait *brego

[whole rapids]

PHASE ³ - THE STRONG VERB SINGEN
Translate: ... we would sing the song using both possibilities.

[tribal warren]

yes

[red pewter]

both possibilities? like with werden and singen?

[pine ginkgo]

yep

[whole rapids]

EINE STIMME KOMMT VON OBEN: ERINNERT EUCH AN DAS UNGEHEUER UND PHASE 2

[pine ginkgo]

pferd is really dedicated :D

[ocean robin]

Wir würden das Lied singen/wir sängen das Lied

[whole rapids]

this is actually good revision for me too tbh

[tribal warren]

I feel like Pferd masters rpg games

I mean

Feels like a RPG

[whole rapids]

I write a lot of stories

and read them a lot

[ocean robin]

What do you want to do?

continue game and ignore solet
listen to his advice and go

[whole rapids]

ignoring the wizard is dangerous

[ocean robin]

lol

[red pewter]

wir würden das Lied singen, wir sängen das Lied

[hot oriole]

yes

[whole rapids]

IHR BEIDE(N?) HABT EINEN PUNKT GEWONNEN

[ocean robin]

WOOOOO

[hot oriole]

I prefer the 1st one though.. sängen sounds a bit strange to my ears. A lot of Konj 2 do.

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

[red pewter]

so why do we have to even learn them if we can replace everything with würden :?

[pine ginkgo]

they sound too "poetic" kinda most times

[whole rapids]

CBELL AND FLOPS HAVE DISCOVERED A TOME

[ocean robin]

A tome?

🤔

[red pewter]

tom...ato

[ocean robin]

heh

:>

[red pewter]

(it's a book )

[whole rapids]

It says: Strong verbs have their own Konj 2 form, but they are not often used, except for a few exceptions.

[ocean robin]

(thanks)

[tribal warren]

Lol

Pferd I love you

[whole rapids]

Pferd gains love points

[tribal warren]

Dude this is so genius

[ocean robin]

Ooooh.

[tribal warren]

You're a fucking genius

I VOTE FOR PFERD AS FLAPPY'S AND BELL'S OFFICIAL TEACHER

1/10

[pine ginkgo]

(in poetry they are often used, btw)

(so if you like poetry, learn the konj 2 forms)

[hot oriole]

Also in written German in general.. so newspapers and books

A bit like the genitive.. not really used in spoken German but an important part of the language in written German.

[whole rapids]

PHASE 4 - WEAK VERB BEZAHLEN
Translate: He would pay for the pizza. with both possibilities.

[ocean robin]

Why am I always confused between bezahlen and benutzen 🤔

they have no link at all

[whole rapids]

lack of greens

[devout juniper]

[red pewter]

Er würde die Pizza bezahlen, Er bezahlte die Pizza.

benutzen is use :?

[ocean robin]

Er würde die Pizza bezahlen/er bezahlte die Pizza Can we add a "für" or not here? 🤔

[shy bobcat]

Yeah konj's are luckily pretty simple to form lel

[ocean robin]

mayhe that's just literal translation dunno

[whole rapids]

you could but not sure if needed really

[pine ginkgo]

you can add

but you don't have to

[whole rapids]

anyway, point gained

[ocean robin]

yus

[hot oriole]

Yeah konj's are luckily pretty simple to form lel

In my dialect they are even simpler.. just add -at to every verb

[ocean robin]

[whole rapids]

DAS UNGEHEUER IST WIEDER ERSCHIENEN

[red pewter]

the verb is already "to pay for" no?

[whole rapids]

ER HAT EINE FRAGE

[shy bobcat]

@pine ginkgo I think you need to do some konj i torture with me since I still have basically no clue how to use it aside for quoting people

[ocean robin]

WER HAT EINE FRAGE

[whole rapids]

DAS UNGEHEUER

[ocean robin]

OH

[fair iron]

The verb itself is to pay.
He will pay the pizza, in a literal sense. ^^

[shy bobcat]

WAS FÜR 1 UGEHOIER

[ocean robin]

Hey Casca.

[tribal warren]

@whole rapids now you will never forget it's Das Ungeheuer

haha

[ocean robin]

Today is RPG nighto heh

[shy bobcat]

Casca hello

[whole rapids]

What other grammatical costruct is bezahlte similar to?

[shy bobcat]

Wer ist denn das Ungeheuer 👀

[pine ginkgo]

uhuh, good luck teeeis

it's... not exactly that easy to explain

[ocean robin]

Präteritum? 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

but it's mostly that

if you think about philosophical stuff

they talk about things they can't always know

[whole rapids]

let us wait cbell says

[pine ginkgo]

but they assume or presume some things are true

[ocean robin]

PS: I didn't look up :>

[shy bobcat]

Luna sagte, Konj I sei schwierig zu verstehen

That's how I understand it so far 😄

[red pewter]

it's the past tense

[whole rapids]

:Ö

[pine ginkgo]

which is why philosophical texts are often times heavy on both konjunktivs

[tribal warren]

I don't understand Konj I btw

[whole rapids]

RICHTIG

[ocean robin]

YAAAAAY

[whole rapids]

so what is the Präterium for bezahlen?

[pine ginkgo]

deal with konjunktiv 1 when you are B1+, berg

[shy bobcat]

So like @pine ginkgo do I just have to suddenly gain an interest in German philosophical texts to truly get the konj I

[pine ginkgo]

it helps

or you read religious texts in german

[ocean robin]

er bezahlte

[red pewter]

bezahlte

[tribal warren]

or you read religious texts in german
Kryp's exercises

[ocean robin]

[shy bobcat]

oxy's*

[whole rapids]

lies einfach die Bibel

[shy bobcat]

😛

[pine ginkgo]

for religious texts or medieval speech

[whole rapids]

and what is the Konj 2 of bezahlen?

[pine ginkgo]

konjunktiv 1 is mostly like a command

[tribal warren]

Pferd

[pine ginkgo]

think of "Du sollst dein Zimmer aufräumen!"

[tribal warren]

who asked that

was it das Ungeheuer?

or was it you

[ocean robin]

er bezahlte

[whole rapids]

too spooky to tell you

[ocean robin]

lol

[red pewter]

@whole rapids I've looked at a few verbs and noticed they're mostly the same, but some have vowel shifts.

[pine ginkgo]

but using konjunktiv 1 it sounds... more detached, less "imperative" in the direct sense and more like a call from a higher position

[whole rapids]

CBELL IS A WISE LEARNER

[pine ginkgo]

Helfe stets deinen Nachbarn!

[whole rapids]

bezahlen is a weak verb whose Präterium and Konjunktiv II conjuagted form are the exact same

[pine ginkgo]

Räume immer dein Zimmer auf, so werde dir Gutes geschehen!

[ocean robin]

I should sleep 🤔

But this is way too intresting

[pine ginkgo]

stuff like that you will notice a lot in religious texts or medieval texts, teeeis

[ocean robin]

dilemma

[whole rapids]

the tome cbell and flaps are carrying now reads: With weak verbs, use "würden" instead of its own conjugated form.

[pine ginkgo]

it's like "imperative", but "imperative" from a king or god, so to speak

in these cases

[red pewter]

ahh!

cool!

[fair iron]

Hey Flappy. ^^

[tribal warren]

like "Long live the king!"

that's konj 1, right?

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

[red pewter]

Pferd :? Do i need to memorize if a verb is strong or weak :? Or is it just that way if it's irregular/regular so I'll know :?

[pine ginkgo]

Lang lebe der König

[red pewter]

casca ❤ we are learning ❤

[whole rapids]

DAS UNGEUHER HAT IRGENDWIE GESCHMOLZEN

[ocean robin]

Bell, I always wondered,why all the :?

[whole rapids]

CHECKPOINT REACHED

[pine ginkgo]

or

[tribal warren]

it's pretty hard to understand D:

[hot oriole]

In English that should actually be a remnant of the old conj

[tribal warren]

Er sagte, er sei ein ehrlicher Mensch

[whole rapids]

you must memorise them @red pewter

[red pewter]

I like that emoji flaps T_T

[nocturne spruce]

So are definitions written in Konjunktiv 1?

[ocean robin]

oh no problem Bell

[nocturne spruce]

particularly in math

[red pewter]

oh man T_T

[nocturne spruce]

Like: Let n>1,.............................

[pine ginkgo]

if you want a "modern" example of konjunktiv 1

look at star wars

"May the Force be with you"

-> "Möge die Macht mit dir sein"

[whole rapids]

many common verbs are strong verbs

[tribal warren]

oh

[whole rapids]

like essen, trinken, singen, gehen, etc

so the less common, the less likely it is strong

[red pewter]

okay

[pine ginkgo]

yes, pengu

"Sei n=1, dann folgt.."

[whole rapids]

anyway, CHECKPOINT REACHED

[tribal warren]

Dude

[pine ginkgo]

etc

[whole rapids]

Save game?

[ocean robin]

YUS

[tribal warren]

I'm watching some memes before I die tomorrow on that test

[ocean robin]

I SHOULD SLEEP NOW

[tribal warren]

there's some here that are so good xD

[ocean robin]

Yeah, let's save

[nocturne spruce]

Oh cool, so I've been reading it a lot

[pine ginkgo]

or as an exercise

"Gegeben sei ein Quadrat mit folgenden Werten..."

etc

[nocturne spruce]

And I understood it, but somehow never made the connection

Feeling dumb rn

[whole rapids]

what say you, lady of the C-Note bells? @red pewter

[red pewter]

I think this is likely a good stopping point

[pine ginkgo]

or something like

[whole rapids]

okay, your 4 points have been saved

[pine ginkgo]

Angenommen, eine Funktion mit x,y,z habe diese Eigenschaften

oder sowas

[red pewter]

thank you very much, pferd ❤

[ocean robin]

^

[whole rapids]

no worries, hope you learnt something

[pine ginkgo]

oh yeah

you should see it quite often in theorems or proofs

[red pewter]

i feel powerful!

[pine ginkgo]

:D

forgot about that applications

or lemmas and shit

[whole rapids]

next time the game is reloaded there will be a quickfire round, which if you get all them right, you will gain a life that will save you if you get something wrong

[ocean robin]

:O

[nocturne spruce]

yeah, I just somehow forgot that it was konjunktiv 1

[tribal warren]

Pferd

[red pewter]

ooh!

[tribal warren]

you're awesome at this

honestly

very creative

[red pewter]

I agree, this is very fun :33

[whole rapids]

thanks, makes it more fun I think

[tribal warren]

IMO teaching has to be liked this

[pine ginkgo]

n is not always = 2 or whatever

but if n would be = 2, then

[ocean robin]

yup :D

[pine ginkgo]

would be one interpretation

[whole rapids]

rather than just bland "THIS IS RULE 2, LEARN RULE 2"

[pine ginkgo]

or something like that, pengu

[red pewter]

I like that I have to stop and think and check my work 😄 I should always, but now I don't want to die

[ocean robin]

^

[pine ginkgo]

or

Assume n = 1

[nocturne spruce]

yeah, like "Let n=2, then the function holds"

or something

[whole rapids]

points motivate you to live

[pine ginkgo]

right

let!

[ocean robin]

Okay, now I go to bed guys.

[red pewter]

goodnight flaps

[tribal warren]

DECEARING EGG

[pine ginkgo]

you get a teacherino point for this, pferd

[ocean robin]

LOL BERG

[whole rapids]

yay teacher point

[tribal warren]

If Luna is impressed

that means it was good

[pine ginkgo]

idk

[tribal warren]

cause Luna usually just says:

fuck off

[pine ginkgo]

he kept flops here

[tribal warren]

yea

I mean

[pine ginkgo]

for like... continuous minutes

hours even

[whole rapids]

could probs do this with lots of grammar stuff

[tribal warren]

and he made flops get stuff right

[pine ginkgo]

yeah, was thinking about it

going really "small"

and step for step

now we hope they won't have forgotten it by tomorrow lel

[tribal warren]

I don't think so

[red pewter]

I will write down what I learned about konj II as well

[tribal warren]

I think it'll stick

[pine ginkgo]

always remember the UNGEHEUER

[whole rapids]

they will lose the next phases if they do

[tribal warren]

specially das Ungeheuer

yea

LOL

[pine ginkgo]

new plan

pferd is their exclusive teacher now

we just need to find a method for flops and math

though

[whole rapids]

write down passive too @red pewter

for the HIDDEN PHASE

[nocturne spruce]

I kind of want to try teaching flops math

[red pewter]

c:

[whole rapids]

👏

[pine ginkgo]

bell

your naming convention triggers me

[red pewter]

what did I do :?

[pine ginkgo]

look at your naming convention

[red pewter]

oh, some of them before and some after lmao

[pine ginkgo]

pls fix for our sake, bell

:D

[red pewter]

@pine ginkgo

[pine ginkgo]

nice

i also like how you ordered them

[red pewter]

I can't tell if that's sarcasm?

[pine ginkgo]

it's half

:D

[shy bobcat]

👀

[pine ginkgo]

i personally would order them and group them by future/present/past

though normally they are ordered like present/past/future

since that is mostly the order by which you learn the tenses

[red pewter]

I'll keep it the way it is 😄 Makes sense to me

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

do what makes sense for you

so you remember what you wrote

[shy bobcat]

there must be a way to torture me into modal particleing correctly 😩

there's a way for everything

[opal sequoia]

I think you can only do it by immersions. 😦

[shy bobcat]

naaaah

there's always a way 👀

they said becoming c level at all was only possible through immersion 👀

[opal sequoia]

Maybe it's because of the modal particles. 😄

But I mean, pseudo-immersion is good too. Listening to a LOT of German.

But not really any exercises or grammar books.

[shy bobcat]

Ich glaube zwar ehrlich, dass es eine Weise gibt und das Luna's nur lustig findet, mich sie falsch nutzen zu sehen 👀

[opal sequoia]

You should post in #376386781513252865: "Looking for a native speaker who uses modal particles excessively so I can observe them, for science."

[shy bobcat]

lel

[shy bobcat]

tbh reading up on them in hammers + more exposure is probably a pretty solid method 😛

[pine ginkgo]

Ist halt einfach so

[shy bobcat]

oh hallo luna

[pine ginkgo]

Musste halt da durch, geht ja nicht immer, wie man eben so will

[devout juniper]

Hallo

Warum sagt es auf den Namen so viele Leute hier "banned"

[shy bobcat]

Luna weil er halt nicht gebannt werden kann

[twilit garden]

Nein, nur weil wir noch keinen Grund haben

[hot oriole]

Musst du eh selbst wissen, wie du die Modalpartikeln am besten lernst Ari! 😉

[toxic urchin]

IM SORRY :(

[viscid cape]

@toxic urchin Did Barbara Oakley recommand torturing kitties so as not to procrastinate :v

[toxic urchin]

hey its not me torturing them, its the people behind stayfocused

[viscid cape]

😂

[olive valley]

pah actually it's indirectly you

it's all your fault

stop enabling the torture of innocent animals, you dirty procrastinator!

[whole rapids]

@red pewter @ocean robin ASSEMBLE

[red pewter]

I am here!

[sour mesa]

wow what

[whole rapids]

where is your partner in grime?

[red pewter]

i don't know T_T

we were just talking

she's probably eating :?

[whole rapids]

no points for her

[red pewter]

RIP

[ocean robin]

YES

WAIT WHY NO POINTS

[whole rapids]

loljk

GAME RELOADED

[ocean robin]

YAY

[whole rapids]

YOU REENTER THE KONJUNKTIV PHASE

[ocean robin]

OOOOH

[whole rapids]

BUT FIRST

QUICKFIRE ROUND

[red pewter]

😮

[ocean robin]

[cold vessel]

@pine ginkgo Do indirect objects that are made subjects through passive always take dative?

[pine ginkgo]

uh?

i am not quite sure that sentence makes much sense

or question rather

why should a subject take dative?

[whole rapids]

Translate:
The food is eaten.
The food was eaten.
The food has been eaten.
The food had been eaten.
The food will be eaten.
The food will have been eaten.

[cold vessel]

@pine ginkgo In the translation I asked cbell

[ocean robin]

damn

[pine ginkgo]

it is because geben needs a dative object as a recipient

jdm etwas geben

[cold vessel]

@pine ginkgo Right, the recipient is the indirect object

And in the passive it's made the subject

The question is if this is universal

[pine ginkgo]

Ich werde dir einen Punkt geben

Ein Punkt wird dir (von mir) gegeben werden

uh

wrong tense

there

[cold vessel]

Hmm, so the new subject is actually the direct object?

[red pewter]

The food is eaten. Das Essen wird gegessen. The food was eaten. Das Essen wurde gegessen. The food has been eaten. Das Essen ist gegessen worden. The food had been eaten: Das Essen war gegessen worden. The food will be eaten. Das Essen wird gegessen werden. The food will have been eaten. Das Essen wird gegessen worden sein.

[pine ginkgo]

it just depends on the verb

but yeah

that's the point of the passive

you turn an object into the passive

isn't it the same in norwegian?

or is it different there?

[cold vessel]

But can you not turn the indirect object into the subject?

[pine ginkgo]

mhh, i thinking of an example where an indirect object is turned into a subject

but currently can't think of any

[ocean robin]

Das Essen wird gegessen. Das Essen wurde gegessen. Das Essen ist gegessen worden. Das Essen war gegessen worden. Das Essen wird gegessen werden. Das Essen wird gegessen worden sein.

[cold vessel]

Norwegian:
"Et punkt blir gitt til meg" - "A point is given to me"
"Jeg blir gitt et punkt" - "I am given a point"

So in Norwegian the indirect object can become the subject with this verb

[pine ginkgo]

mhh i seee

[whole rapids]

cbell and flops gain a life

[ocean robin]

yay

[pine ginkgo]

i never really thought about it

[red pewter]

wooohoooo!

[ocean robin]

High five Bell!

[pine ginkgo]

but yeah, only turn direct objects into subjects

[pine ginkgo]

🤔

unless i can think of cases where it doesn't apply

[thick charm]

extra life

get it

[sour mesa]

LOL

[pine ginkgo]

Ich glaube dir

Dir wird geglaubt

Du wirst geglaubt doesn't work

cause you would be missing the object there

[thick charm]

An dich wird geglaubt works but it's basically just the same thing

[ocean robin]

🤔

[thick charm]

glauben an = to have faith in