general-2

[slow pumice]

so (dy/dt)=2(pi)r(dr/dt)

[twilit garden]

yes, what might be confusing is that the formula you got there does not include a variable for time as it is - your friend just added it in the derivative and put its value in there

[stone sentinel]

Yeah so can I consider dx/dy a legit value I can use algebraically?

[slow pumice]

dr/dt is the variable for time?? Like it doesn't need a t in the original equation

Yeah

[stone sentinel]

(2πr*dx)/dy

That's probably all it is

[slow pumice]

If you know what (dy/dx) is equal to you can plug it in

[twilit garden]

yeah, but there was never a dt anywhere in there

[slow pumice]

??

Umm

I know

[stone sentinel]

Consider dx = dt

[slow pumice]

You use it when finding the derivative when time is involved

[twilit garden]

of course, that's what i meant with "his friend just added it and put its value in there"

[slow pumice]

Ok so

dy/dt=2(pi)r(dr/dt)

We know what pi is

We know what the rate of change of the radius is

Dr/dt is the rate of change of the radius

Rate of change is related to time

That's why there's a t

(Dr/dt) serves as one variable and once we know what it is we can plug the number in

[twilit garden]

i'm used to f(x) = .../ f'(x) = ... which is probably why i see it as a two-step thing

[slow pumice]

A two-step thing?

[twilit garden]

as in, you can't just form the derivative of f(x) by putting in a t

[slow pumice]

I'm not just "putting in a t"

[twilit garden]

i know

[slow pumice]

the (dy/dx) notation isn't just dividing variables and stuff

[twilit garden]

i know

[slow pumice]

Ok so what am I doing wrong then

[twilit garden]

nothing

[slow pumice]

How do you do rate of change problems? We might just be taught differently

[twilit garden]

yeah, that's kinda what i meant - i have never really been taught the (dy/dx) notation

[slow pumice]

Ohh ok

I can share my notes? They're a bit context based though :/

Wait actually

Ok let's say we want to take the Derivate of x^2+y^2=5

[twilit garden]

like f'(x) = t*2*x is not the derivative of f(x) if f(x) = x² (that's what i meant with "popping in a t")

[stone sentinel]

I think the dy/dx is Newton's notation and f'(x) is Leibniz's notation

[slow pumice]

Oh no not like that

[twilit garden]

yes, Chessed

[slow pumice]

Ooh that's an interesting fact

Ok but

We have to find the derivatives in relation with each other

[stone sentinel]

So that's kinda funny and probably the reason for this. Y'know, the English taking the English version and Germans taking the German one

[slow pumice]

I have no idea why it looks like dy/dx but I don't think it's dividing

Anyways

[twilit garden]

the thing is - it's not really a divide like that

[slow pumice]

The derivative looks like this:

[twilit garden]

Newton's notation is used in most places - especially in physics

[slow pumice]

2x+2y(dy/dx)=0

[stone sentinel]

I believe the whole equation is (f(x+h) - f(x))/h

[slow pumice]

We have to add a (dy/dx) wherever there's a y derivative to show that it's in relation to x

So

[stone sentinel]

And dy/dx is just a shortening of that so you can save space

[slow pumice]

Ooh yeah that thing!!

[stone sentinel]

All the rules stem from that

However

It takes a LOT of math to figure that out

Just google proof of the quotient rule

[slow pumice]

Yeah we went through it once

[stone sentinel]

Like what the shit

[slow pumice]

I might pass

The quotient rule makes me want to die as it is

[twilit garden]

hm, it's not that hard from what i remember

[stone sentinel]

The rule is not hard

[slow pumice]

Anyways t is added because roc is in relation to time so the derivative is taken in relation to time

[stone sentinel]

How they found that rule is the hard part

[twilit garden]

f'(x) = (u' * v - u * v') / v²

[slow pumice]

Yeah it's not I'm just naturally like this

[twilit garden]

yeah, and it is easier to add a relation to time with Newton's notation

with Lagrange notation you have to take another step - first form the derivative of f(x) and then make a new formula f(t) = t* f'(x)

[stone sentinel]

It's easier to read/write though

[sudden panther]

Mmm math.

[opal sequoia]

❤

[sudden panther]

Also the dx/dy comes from Leibniz actually.

[valid ice]

🤔 i thought it came from 1/leibniz

[twilit garden]

Yeah, Newton notation is with dots above y

[tribal warren]

@sour mesa Do you know what always happens when the incident angle is 0?

[sour mesa]

no?

[tribal warren]

It continues with the same angle

So the wave will just go on a horizontal line

[sour mesa]

But

what

Okay

But on the other side the incident angle is 15

[tribal warren]

That's the angle of refraction, actually

How many refractions happen in this experiment?

Can you answer that?

[sour mesa]

I only see one

[tribal warren]

Which is?

[sour mesa]

But i've learned that if light goes out of a matter the refraction you get of that is the indicent angle and the angle in the matter is the refraction angle

And the refraction is the onda emergente

[tribal warren]

emergente means coming

so the wave that's coming

it doesn't matter, though

[sour mesa]

WHAT

[tribal warren]

what matters is that it's 2 refractions

not only one

[sour mesa]

but the arrows point towards the onda emergente

[tribal warren]

oh nvm

sorry about that

I mixed i t up

2 languages at the same time fucks my brain

so emergente means coming out

[sour mesa]

oh okay

[tribal warren]

but can you spot that it's not only 1 refraction happening?

[sour mesa]

i only see one

[tribal warren]

So do you know what qualifies as a refraction?

[sour mesa]

When a light wave touches the area of a transparent matter, something happens: the light path changes. This is known as light refraction

[tribal warren]

sure

but that's not the formal definition

there's one requirement for refraction to happen

what's that?

so think of this situation

you shoot a laser from air to water

what's the one thing that's implied in that makes it garanteed a refraction

?

[sour mesa]

the change of destiny?

The water has another destiny than air

[tribal warren]

I think you got it

that's called medium

the transmission medium

not necessarily the change of trajectory, cause as you saw, in the exercise, when the wave goes from air to inside the block, it doesn't change it's angle

So in that case you have

Wave in the air -------> Wave in the Polystyrene Block --------> Wave in the air again

How many refractions happen there?

[sour mesa]

2

[tribal warren]

Great

But which one is the one that's gonna be helpful for you to figure out the refractive index of the block?

[sour mesa]

The last one, because that has an angle that is >0

[tribal warren]

nice

for you to apply the snell law and find out the index, which are the things you'll need?

[sour mesa]

∠r and ∠i

[tribal warren]

great

so basically from that on, I recommend trying to work with geometry

actually you need to

because you have to find the angles

[sour mesa]

I have figured out all the other angles of that triangle you get when you would split it in the dotted line

[tribal warren]

So what's the refraction angle?

[sour mesa]

I assume it's 0

[tribal warren]

are you sure?

[sour mesa]

oh wait

one sec

[tribal warren]

remember the hint I gave you

[sour mesa]

∠r is 15 degrees

∠i is for now unknown

[tribal warren]

i is unknown

but r isn't 15

do you know how to trace the normal line?

[sour mesa]

Isn't that the dotted line?

[tribal warren]

Nope.

[sour mesa]

Oh that maybe why i was stuck

[tribal warren]

the dotted line is just there to be a reference to the 15 degrees

So

what's the definition of a normal line in optics

[sour mesa]

Is it the hypotenuse of the triangle?

[tribal warren]

Nope

I mean

Yea not really

[sour mesa]

Oh i think i have it

[tribal warren]

Okay

[sour mesa]

The line that is perpendicular on the matter's area

[tribal warren]

Yea!

It's always perpendicular to the surface

So you have this

Right?

[sour mesa]

Ahhh

makes sense

[tribal warren]

Oh you didn't :c

I forgot to draw the 90 degree angle there

with the block

[sour mesa]

it's okay

I get that that's 90 degrees

[tribal warren]

So

what's r, based on my pic

[sour mesa]

the angle between the onda emergente and the line N?

no wait

The angle between the middle line and the line N?

[tribal warren]

Let's review what r is

r is the angle formed between the normal line and the wave after the refraction happens

one of your answers was correct

which one? 😛

[sour mesa]

the second one?

[tribal warren]

Bad Nola

[sour mesa]

Oh boi

Its the first one?

[tribal warren]

Yes.

[sour mesa]

oh now I see it, i looked wrong

[tribal warren]

so if the angle between N and the dotted line was x

what would be the angle of refraction?

[sour mesa]

x+15

[tribal warren]

great

so what do you need to do to find out the refraction angle, knowing that it's x+15?

[sour mesa]

I need to know x,

[tribal warren]

Yes

Now let's review the incident angle

the one inside the block

can you tell me where it is?

[sour mesa]

Isn't that one the angle of the hypotenuse above the dotted line?

[tribal warren]

could you draw it on paint, where you think it is?

Draw on this

draw r and i

[sudden panther]

Done. Next step?

[tribal warren]

😠

Aan Brrem

[tribal warren]

one of them is wrong

[sour mesa]

angle i i suppose

[tribal warren]

yup

i is the angle formed between the incident wave and the normal line

the one you drew was the complementary angle to the normal line, which is 90 degrees

[sour mesa]

ohhhh

[tribal warren]

try again

[tribal warren]

Good job

okay, now it's all geometry

one thing that I didn't point out

in the exercise, it says that the onda incidente (incident wave) comes perpendicular to the block

[sour mesa]

okay thanks

I mean, angle i = x

[tribal warren]

That's correct

[sour mesa]

angle of hypothuse > adjecent = 65 degrees

[tribal warren]

So what do you conclude with that

yup

so what's i?

[sour mesa]

angle r = angle i + 15

[tribal warren]

yea sure

but you found that 65 degrees one

you can find i using that

[sour mesa]

angle i = 180 - 65 - alpha

[tribal warren]

alpha?

[sour mesa]

yeah

An angle

I didnt found

[tribal warren]

You have this right?

[sour mesa]

yep

[tribal warren]

so, based on the definition of the normal line

what's the angle between the block and the normal line?

[sour mesa]

ohhh

[tribal warren]

😛

[sour mesa]

silly me

its 90-65

aka

25

[tribal warren]

Okay

[sour mesa]

And angle r = 40 degrees

[tribal warren]

Okay

[sour mesa]

so

[tribal warren]

So now you have to apply the law

[sour mesa]

a sec

[tribal warren]

just remembering

the exercise told you to use

sin40=0.6

sin25=0.4

sin15=0.3

[sour mesa]

what lmao

Those are so incorrect but okay

[tribal warren]

it's a rough approximation

I mean

I pretty bad approximation

[sour mesa]

Why do physicists like to round so much?

My teacher also does it

[tribal warren]

cause the exercise is only about understanding the logic

[sour mesa]

He rounds in the middle of an equation

[tribal warren]

it doesn't want you to silly maths

what requires you to think

[sour mesa]

but okay

[tribal warren]

using 0.65390430568 as sin40

or something

or just 0.6

okay

snell law

you're almost done

oh yea, and the refractive index of the air is 1

[sour mesa]

lemme write some fancy latex

[tribal warren]

okay

[tribal warren]

Okay

you got it

congrats 😄

Did you like it?

[sour mesa]

https://giphy.com/gifs/slow-clap-good-job-whisky-ENagATV1Gr9eg

It was a good exercise

[tribal warren]

yup

remember

always the angle made with the normal line

alwaaaaaaays

[sour mesa]

yeah 😃

If you have any more exercises just ping me, gtg now, will try to make them when I'm back.

[tribal warren]

okay

I gotta have lunch now I'm starving

[ancient spade]

Missed out on all the fun :(

[tribal warren]

Meh

exercício de refração

[ancient spade]

Pois é

[tribal warren]

bem tranquilo

but teaching is fun 😛

[ancient spade]

It is 😄

[tribal warren]

what do you think the essay is gonna be about tomorrow?

[ancient spade]

Is it tomorrow?

[tribal warren]

yea

[ancient spade]

Lol I'm really out of the loop

I thought it would be next week

[tribal warren]

tomorrow's ciencias humanas, linguages e redacao

[ancient spade]

Oh

It was different back in my days

I'm feeling old

[tribal warren]

you mean like till last year?

xD

[ancient spade]

Yeah hahaha

[tribal warren]

lol

well I like this new way better

instead of 2 days in a row

[ancient spade]

I'm not sure if it makes much of a difference

Meh, I don't really bother

[tribal warren]

I know

At the end it's just an endurance test

not falling asleep while reading those texts

[sour mesa]

I must begin with my university physics and Thomas Edison Calculus books in the near future lel

[tribal warren]

nice

[sudden panther]

Thomas Edison Calculus? 🤔

[tribal warren]

the guy that stole Tesla's work

[sour mesa]

yeah or however it's called

of its Thomas' Calculus

[sudden panther]

Yes lol. There's no Edison in it. 😅

[sour mesa]

lmao

[tribal warren]

haha

[sudden panther]

Thomas is one of the authors.

[tribal warren]

George Thomas

[sour mesa]

Is it good?

Like does it also include some precalc?

[sudden panther]

Bergo doing the googling for me. ❤

[sour mesa]

I want to learn calculus

im 15

[tribal warren]

❤

Calculus is pretty fun

[opal sequoia]

If you want to learn calculus you don't need a text book really.

[tribal warren]

I learned last year it was awesome

[opal sequoia]

By which I mean there is so much free maths stuff online.

[sour mesa]

Some explenations and some exercises are handy

In a good order

[opal sequoia]

And maths books are expensive as heck.

But you can if you want.

Just mentioning that it's not really as necessary as other subjects.

[sudden panther]

Limits are considered pre-calc, right?

From what I can see, they have a chapter on functions and limits and then they move onto the real stuff.

But meh, if you have a solid foundation, you don't really need much more than that.

[tribal warren]

In Brazil we don't have pre-calc 🤔

Limits are Calc already

[opal sequoia]

I have a pdf for Calc 1 here if you are interested in it: https://notendur.hi.is/adl2/CalcI_Complete.pdf

Which is effectively the same content as: http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcI/CalcI.aspx

[sour mesa]

Tru

But i got it from a friend

[opal sequoia]

Got what?

[sour mesa]

Thomas Calculus

[opal sequoia]

Oh right, I see. I thought you were planning to buy it.

[sour mesa]

Nah i already got jt

[sudden panther]

[opal sequoia]

That's good.

Calculus is wonderful and I hope you enjoy.

[sour mesa]

Yeah

Thanks

After i finish calc and physics i wanna study probability

I love how "applyable" it is

[opal sequoia]

Why after?

[sour mesa]

I mean, studying many things at the same time is so confusing for me

I don't read 2 books at the same time

[opal sequoia]

Yeah.

Is it just high school level physics?

[sour mesa]

All of them. Also intro to QM

Its called university physics

[opal sequoia]

Okay. Well, I just wonder, because some physics depends on probability.

But you can always just learn it if you get to that point, I guess.

[sour mesa]

Just google probability physics book and youll see something

It covers p much anything

1.5k pages

[opal sequoia]

Okay.

[brazen gale]

Hello people, mind if I ask a question?

Could someone explain to me what an "eignungsprüfung" is?

It translates to aptitute test, yeah, but what exactly is it?

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

it depends on what you do it for

[brazen gale]

Ah, it is for Fachhochschule Aachen, International Business Studies

[pine ginkgo]

in general it tests you on the things you should be able to do or should know for a certain thing

be it a profession, a task or whatever

[brazen gale]

I was looking at the "NC-Werte", and I can apply but it says "Eignungsprüfung erforderlich"

And there is no explanation for it actually

[pine ginkgo]

you probably need to take a test

when you apply there

[brazen gale]

So it is not something I send with my application, when I get there I got to take the test

[pine ginkgo]

probably

but i can't tell you for sure since i don't know how they handle it there

you should try to contact them

[brazen gale]

I will have to call them on monday then, thank you very much!

[pine ginkgo]

https://www.fh-aachen.de/en/faculties/business-studies/international/eignungspruefungen/

actually

it says everything here

was even pretty easy to find

[brazen gale]

Wow, I read pretty much everything on the website I don't know how I overlooked that

Thank you very much and sorry to trouble you! 😃

[pine ginkgo]

hehe, no worries

that should hopefully clear your questions!

[brazen gale]

I hope so, thanks again 😃

[uncut ember]

I had a trivia competion where i had to answer a german language translation question

It was translate the name of the following song from German to English

"Das Lied von der Welt"

[hot cloak]

Hallo

hey

Wilkommen

Oh I'm not new lol

But I am

I mean ya but u were saying welcome to me lol

I have just joined

Hhhh

Ah ok well uh wilcommen then

or

Wilkommen

Whatever you guys spell it as

Sorry I don't speak German

No problem

Take it easy

So how is it going here

Mm not much really

[whole rapids]

Translate: She is being observed. @red pewter

[cold vessel]

tfw "observieren" is veraltet 😩

[pine ginkgo]

don't use it.

[red pewter]

Sie wird beachtet :?

[pine ginkgo]

uh

did you look up observe?

or did you do it from memory?

[cold vessel]

It is on dict.cc 🤷

[pine ginkgo]

...

yeah

but not as the "best" options

[devout juniper]

How do you guys do the weird text?

[red pewter]

I don't know the word observe :?

tick marks

[thick charm]

this one?

` one of those at both ends

[pine ginkgo]

why did you choose beachten?

[red pewter]

because it was the first word in dict.cc 😄

[devout juniper]

Observe=beobachten or beachten?

[pine ginkgo]

more beobachten

[devout juniper]

I think beobachten moreso

Yeah

[pine ginkgo]

beachten... is a bit different

[thick charm]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

can work

[red pewter]

what's the difference?

[thick charm]

sure it's the first word?

[devout juniper]

Beachten is more like to take care maybe?

Wait mo

No**

[pine ginkgo]

depends on the context bell

[thick charm]

lol

[red pewter]

two can play at this game, chuck.

[devout juniper]

To pay attention to

Rather than to observe

[pine ginkgo]

why is your dict.cc

so weird

[cold vessel]

What do you think of betrachten, Solet?

[thick charm]

betrachten works

[red pewter]

🤷

[thick charm]

but in this case it should be beobachten

[red pewter]

okay, let me look at beobachten

[pine ginkgo]

If you say

"Beachte mich!"

[cold vessel]

What browser are you using, cbell? 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

it's more like "Look at, me!"

[thick charm]

right bell, try looking up just the word next time

to observe gets you what you saw

[cold vessel]

Oh, what

[red pewter]

Sie wird beobachtet

[cold vessel]

Their search is terrible then 🤔

[thick charm]

just observe gives you the actual translation

[red pewter]

so just do observe :?

[pine ginkgo]

If you say something like "Wenn man diese Situation beachtet..." it's more like if you consider/take into account this situation

[thick charm]

It's wrid

weird

[red pewter]

wow. that's terrible.

[thick charm]

didn't know it worked that way myself

[whole rapids]

you gain 1 grammar point

[devout juniper]

Always click the word to see its more precise definition

[red pewter]

wait what

that's a thing

[thick charm]

it is

[cold vessel]

Can you not betrachten a person, Solet?

[thick charm]

you can

[pine ginkgo]

betrachten is also more "look at"

can work as observe

[thick charm]

or to view as

[cold vessel]

Yeah okay, it works the same as in Norwegian then

[pine ginkgo]

but strictly observing is beobachten

[cold vessel]

Any word starting with "be" in Norwegian we stole from you guys pretty much

[pine ginkgo]

cheater

[whole rapids]

PHASE 2
Translate: The video was uploaded.

[cold vessel]

Can we get some natives fighting over whether that's a separable verb or not? 😄

[tribal warren]

can beobachten be to pay attention?

[red pewter]

I thought that was aufpassen :?

[pine ginkgo]

it's not

why shouldwe fight?

not really, berg

it can be implied

but not really

[tribal warren]

ah ok

[red pewter]

Das Video wurde hochgeladen

[pine ginkgo]

if you beobachten something

it's kinda obvious you also pay attention to it

[devout juniper]

Wie machst du das @red pewter

[pine ginkgo]

http://prntscr.com/h6a5zb

[whole rapids]

cbell: +1 grammar point

[pine ginkgo]

rip chuck

getting ignored

[red pewter]

...I thought they were praising me on my beautiful sentence 😄

[cold vessel]

@pine ginkgo No? 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

?

beobachten is not a seperable verb

[whole rapids]

PHASE 3
Translate: The incriminating evidence was being downloaded by the FBI when the power mysteriously cut.

[cold vessel]

I'm talking about uploaden

[pine ginkgo]

oh

[cold vessel]

Or hochladen

[pine ginkgo]

uploaden is not

hochladen is

[red pewter]

O_O

it just got real

[cold vessel]

Both are either, according to dict.cc and leo

[whole rapids]

u thot dis wud b easeh

[pine ginkgo]

fuck them

henbri

[red pewter]

Der verfängliche Beleg wurde vom FBI heruntergeladen, wenn die Energie geheimnisvoll abgeschaltet hatte.

(RIP)

[shy bobcat]

wenn 👀

[pine ginkgo]

heheh

[cold vessel]

That's the error you choose to point out? 🤔

[red pewter]

😦

[pine ginkgo]

nice attempt bell

but

no

:)

[shy bobcat]

@cold vessel That's the first one I spotted tbh

[pine ginkgo]

btw bell

[whole rapids]

cbell, please change your main clause from simple past to present perfect. What you have (of that part) is fine but that was the real test. I should have been more specific.

[pine ginkgo]

if you looked at incriminating on dict.cc

you would also have found incriminating evidence

please use that translation

[cold vessel]

I didn't even see that 🤔

[red pewter]

!!!!

[ocean robin]

TRANSLATION?

[red pewter]

I saw that the one i had had [evidence] by it and was proud for noticing

[pine ginkgo]

verfänglich... uh works

but it's not what we use for this

[ocean robin]

What's the sentence? 🤔

[red pewter]

wait so i need present perfect passive :?

[pine ginkgo]

also Belegis more like evidence for bills and invoices rather than evidence for crimes

[whole rapids]

yes please

PHASE 3
Translate: The incriminating evidence was being downloaded by the FBI when the power mysteriously cut. @ocean robin

[red pewter]

ahhh

[ocean robin]

oh fuck

D:

[pine ginkgo]

it's not an easy sentence

[whole rapids]

do you want to do the phases too?

[torn kindle]

belegtes Brötchen

[pine ginkgo]

dw

belegte seska

[red pewter]

wait but isn't was being downloaded past :?

i'm confused

[shy bobcat]

yes

the present perfect = past tense

basically

in many cases

[red pewter]

oh okay okay

[pine ginkgo]

tbh

i think this might be a bit too difficult for them

at least to make it sound like a how a german would say it

[whole rapids]

perhaps I went too troll

[cold vessel]

Can I post my try then?

[whole rapids]

du darfst

[pine ginkgo]

oh shit

henbri is a cheater

he will probably do some dumb mistake, but otherwise have it correct with the grammar

[whole rapids]

henbri just waiting on the wings to take the grammar points

[cold vessel]

Ehh 👀

Das Belastungsmaterial ist vom FBI gedownloadet worden, als der Strom mysteriöserweise abgedreht worden ist.

[whole rapids]

subordinate clause was not passive

[sudden panther]

downgeloadet or bust

[cold vessel]

It sounded a bit odd to me active

So I changed it 😛

[pine ginkgo]

please use the german word

for download

[shy bobcat]

@cold vessel same tbh

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

[sudden panther]

herdowngeladen?

[ocean robin]

Das Belastungsmaterial wurde vom FBI heruntergeladen (worden?), als die Energie geheimnisvoll abgeschaltet hat.
shit just got real 👀

[red pewter]

The incriminating evidence was being downloaded by the FBI when the power mysteriously cut: Der Belastungsmaterial war vom FBI heruntergeladen worden, wenn die Energie geheimnisvoll abgeschaltet hatte.

oops

[pine ginkgo]

please don't use geheimnisvoll

geheimnisvoll means more like secretly

[ocean robin]

oh

[red pewter]

sorry.

[ocean robin]

dict.cc

:>

[cold vessel]

Das Belastungsmaterial ist vom FBI heruntergeladen worden, als der Strom mysteriöserweise abgedreht worden ist.

[pine ginkgo]

sure

[whole rapids]

okay that sentence was too intense, so I will give you another chance to gain a grammar point cbell

[shy bobcat]

Mine is like 99 percent similar to hembris

[ocean robin]

And what about me Pferd? Is it good or baddo? 🤔

[red pewter]

no, I want to finish it

[pine ginkgo]

mine is a bit different :P

[red pewter]

am I getting closer?

[shy bobcat]

Which is either a sign that he's doing good, or I'm sucking

😅

[whole rapids]

I would use ausfallen for cut

no grammar points for you @ocean robin

you have to start at first phase

[shy bobcat]

Das Belastungsmaterial ist vom FBI heruntergeladen worden, als der Strom unerklärlicherweise abgeschaltet worden ist.

[ocean robin]

:(

[red pewter]

The incriminating evidence was being downloaded by the FBI when the power mysteriously cut: Der Belastungsmaterial war vom FBI heruntergeladen worden, wenn die Energie unerklärlicherweise ausgefallen hatte.

[ocean robin]

i was proud of it though

[whole rapids]

@red pewter your passive is the past in the past

"past perfect", in more precise terms

[pine ginkgo]

Die belastenden Beweismittel waren dabei vom FBI heruntergeladen zu werden, als der Strom mysteriöserweise abgeschaltet wurde

ehehe

[whole rapids]

also remember that "wenn" (if you knew) is not used in the past tense except when meaning "whenever"

[pine ginkgo]

don't worry, if you don't get how this was formed

[red pewter]

oh.

[ocean robin]

Das Belastungsmaterial wurde vom FBI heruntergeladen worden, als die Energie unerklärlicherweise ausgefallen hat.

[shy bobcat]

I get it, but I would'nt have ever thought of doing it that way

[red pewter]

the heckie is that

[cold vessel]

I don't get it 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

that's why it will be very difficult for you guys to do it like we do :D

don't forget we don't have a progressive tense

[whole rapids]

that's a different form of the passive

[red pewter]

okay i guess this phase is over.

[pine ginkgo]

so we... have to be creative

[whole rapids]

I think?

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

it's progressive passive in german

[shy bobcat]

yeah y'all do fun things with bei 😄

[red pewter]

yeah not having a progressive is confusing

[whole rapids]

wow spooky

cbell has completed 3 phases and gained 2 grammar points

[pine ginkgo]

dw about understanding what i did

[whole rapids]

not enough to unlock the next 3 phases but she may retry phase 3

[shy bobcat]

dw

[whole rapids]

does she wish to retry?

[ocean robin]

And I have 0 points

[red pewter]

yes

[shy bobcat]

what does dw mean @pine ginkgo

[whole rapids]

"deutsche Welle"

[shy bobcat]

🤦

[ocean robin]

pls

"Don't worry"

And meeh? Where are my mistakes? D:

[whole rapids]

PHASE 3
Translate: His boyfriend has been arrested by the secret police.

[ocean robin]

dammit

[cold vessel]

Hehehehe

[ocean robin]

"His boyfriend" heh.

[thick charm]

Sekretpolizei

[cold vessel]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

translating progressives is just not an easy task for learners, keep that in mind pferd

especially in passive

[cold vessel]

In Norwegian we don't do all that weird stuff to get around not having the progressive, we just use the present and context 👀

[shy bobcat]

so, does henbri's/my formulation sound unnatural or just not what you personally would do 🤔

[whole rapids]

yeah, fair enough, my bad there

I wouldn't have thought of what you did either

[pine ginkgo]

we just have multiple ways of translating progressives

and sometimes doing it "simply" doesn't really cut it

[ocean robin]

Sein Freund wird von der geheimen Polizei verhaftet worden sein.

[pine ginkgo]

what learners mostly learn is "ignoring" the progressive or add something like "gerade"

[shy bobcat]

So how bad does "Das Belastungsmaterial ist vom FBI heruntergeladen worden, als der Strom unerklärlicherweise abgeschaltet worden ist." actually sound.

[whole rapids]

flops

get your notes

[pine ginkgo]

look at your notes, flops

[ocean robin]

i can't

:(

[cold vessel]

Totally expected arrestieren to be a word 😐

[whole rapids]

why?

[shy bobcat]

What do you mean "you can't"

[ocean robin]

Everyone is sleeping :<

I can't go downstairs

[whole rapids]

Quatsch

okay, whatever, what is the structure for present perfect?

[pine ginkgo]

eh, i would use präteritum passive here

instead of perfect passiv

[ocean robin]

Was pretty sure of that though...

[pine ginkgo]

for teeeis

[ocean robin]

Werden in present + pp + worden + infinitive? 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

nope

[ocean robin]

pp = paat participle eh

[shy bobcat]

@pine ginkgo for which clause, since I'm pretty sure I used the same tense for both

[ocean robin]

D:

[pine ginkgo]

the first one

[ocean robin]

whaaaat

[shy bobcat]

ok

[red pewter]

Sein Freund wurde von der geheimen Polizei festgenommen

[whole rapids]

delete "infinitive"

[red pewter]

RIP BELL

[ocean robin]

Mmmmh.

I need the sein but where 🤔

[whole rapids]

do you?

[shy bobcat]

What's the current flap sentence

[ocean robin]

well uh I think so

"Has been arrested"

[whole rapids]

@red pewter that is Präteritum, please change to past perfekt

[ocean robin]

Sein Freund wird von der geheimen Polizei verhaftet worden sein.

Ari.

The sein 🤔

[red pewter]

I thought luna said not :?

[ocean robin]

He was talking to Ari :P

[whole rapids]

Luna was referring to Ari's sentence

[red pewter]

oh okay

cool cause I totally took it out

when I saw that

[shy bobcat]

@ocean robin that says like "his friend will have been arrested" I think.

[pine ginkgo]

smart teeeis

[whole rapids]

yeah, I figured, no problem

[ocean robin]

Nooooooo D:

[pine ginkgo]

yeah, you wrote Futur 2 passiv, flops

[ocean robin]

[shy bobcat]

@pine ginkgo shockingly, I know grammar. Unfortunately, I don't know what words to put into the grammar sometimes

[pine ginkgo]

it's alright, your sentence is not wrong

just, shockingly

sometimes we do prefer preterite

[shy bobcat]

I just meant in general

[red pewter]

Sein Freund hat von der geheimen Polizei festgenommen worden

[whole rapids]

shockingly wrong

[shy bobcat]

Not in this case

😄

[red pewter]

maybe :?

[shy bobcat]

hat

hat

[pine ginkgo]

bell, do you know how to form perfect passive?

in german

[ocean robin]

Sein Freund wird von der geheimen Polizei verhaftet worden. 🤔

[red pewter]

...past

[pine ginkgo]

and if you say no

ask before

the exercise is useless, if you don't know how to form the passives

[ocean robin]

idk lel

[red pewter]

we did it last sunday and I cried.

I tried referencing it

[pine ginkgo]

you should also take notes for this

[shy bobcat]

@ocean robin flappy

[whole rapids]

you will do it forever until you know it

[ocean robin]

yes

[pine ginkgo]

also

what is very easy to do

[shy bobcat]

your last sentence was grammatical but the wrong tense

[pine ginkgo]

google perfekt passiv

or something

[shy bobcat]

but you took the wrong word out

[pine ginkgo]

or german passiv

[ocean robin]

DAMMIT

[red pewter]

My apartment had been searched by the police. :Meine Wohnung war von der Polizei durchsucht worden

is what i was trying to reference

[pine ginkgo]

yes

nice

now

[shy bobcat]

Sein Freund wird von der geheimen Polizei verhaftet worden sein.

This is a correct future passive. You need to make that not future.

[ocean robin]

"Had been searched"

[shy bobcat]

Which word makes futureness

[pine ginkgo]

change it from past perfect to present perfect, bell

[ocean robin]

uh

Actually I have no idea

[shy bobcat]

How do we say "He will learn"

What word is that

[ocean robin]

Werden?

🤔

[shy bobcat]

Yes.

[red pewter]

which sentence, luna?

[shy bobcat]

Now, since we need to make "wird verhaftet worden sein" not future

what do we have to take out

[ocean robin]

Wait, so we need no worden there?

wOt

[shy bobcat]

🤦

[whole rapids]

NO

[ocean robin]

SORRY

[whole rapids]

I GIVE STRUCTURE

[pine ginkgo]

your sentence

bell

[ocean robin]

BUT I uh

[pine ginkgo]

what you referenced

is in past perfect

we want PRESENT perfect

[red pewter]

My apartment has been searched by the police. :Meine Wohnung ist von der Polizei durchsucht worden

:?

[sudden panther]

We take out the flux capacitor, Ari.

[pine ginkgo]

yep

[whole rapids]

HILFSVERB FOR WERDEN + PP + PP FOR WERDEN

[pine ginkgo]

good job, bell

[shy bobcat]

@ocean robin er wird lernen, er wird verhaftet worden sein

[ocean robin]

NOOO

[shy bobcat]

That's the word that you need to get adiós

[ocean robin]

Sein Freund hat von der geheimen Polizei verhaftet worden sein.

😦

[shy bobcat]

u wot

[pine ginkgo]

u wot

[whole rapids]

now apply that structure to my sentence @red pewter

[ocean robin]

eh wot

[whole rapids]

FLAPS

HILFSVERB FOR WERDEN?

[ocean robin]

OH DAMN

MISREAD

[shy bobcat]

@ocean robin ok, in the simple sentence again:

[whole rapids]

ANSWER

[shy bobcat]

er wird lernen > er lernt

[ocean robin]

SEIN

[whole rapids]

HILFSVERB?

GOOD

[ocean robin]

Sein Freund ist von der geheimen Polizei verhaftet worden.

i cri

[pine ginkgo]

anyway, for both of you, flops and bell, if you don't have you notes or if you forgot how to form things

[shy bobcat]

👀

[whole rapids]

WHY IS SEIN THERE? GIVE REASONING

[pine ginkgo]

there's the internet and google.

[ocean robin]

oh yes

[pine ginkgo]

or any other search engine

[ocean robin]

whhhhy

[red pewter]

His boyfriend has been arrested by the secret police: Sein Freund ist von der geheimen Polizei festgenommen worden

[pine ginkgo]

good, bell

[ocean robin]

LOL BING

[red pewter]

😄

[ocean robin]

The person who reacted like that must get out. Now. Here's a door for you. 🚪

[red pewter]

so it's always sein? I thought that was just because of the verb. I'm sorry for making the mistake

[shy bobcat]

Ok flopsel, let's look at what you've done:

wird verhaftet worden sein - wird = X verhaftet worden sein, move the sein and conjugate it = ist verhaftet worden sein - so since we've moved the sein why did you keep it there too?!

[sudden panther]

The data shows that that's you Flops. Now go.

[pine ginkgo]

yeah, bell

[whole rapids]

no need to apologise cbell

Ich bin stolz auf dich

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

for present perfect and past perfect

[shy bobcat]

You have two seins @ocean robin and you started with one

There should only be one sein

[ocean robin]

Eh, I edited the message.

[shy bobcat]

inb4 deletes "ist"

[ocean robin]

:D

[cold vessel]

This reminds me of teaching math 🤔

[ocean robin]

Sein Freund ist von der geheimen Polizei verhaftet worden.

[whole rapids]

I think "geheim" and "Polizei" would be better if you make a compound noun out of them

[ocean robin]

ARREM

STOP PLEASE

[sudden panther]

lovyer Floop

[shy bobcat]

But yes flap, structurally that is now correct

[whole rapids]

now that you have done the sentence, can you tell us the structure of passive in present perfect @red pewter?

[ocean robin]

yay finally

[shy bobcat]

But yeah, use Geheimpolizei as one word and it sounds better.

[red pewter]

okay

[shy bobcat]

Sein Freund (🌈😄) ist von der Geheimpolizei verhaftet worden.

[ocean robin]

lol ari

[red pewter]

it's sein + perfekt + worden

[ocean robin]

Past participle sounds better,Bell :D

[shy bobcat]

Don't call it "perfekt"

[pine ginkgo]

headpats bell

yeah

[red pewter]

lol sorry 😄 past participle.

[shy bobcat]

"perfekt" is the whole tense

😄

but yeah

conjugated sein - past participle participle - worden

[whole rapids]

Ari is wise

[shy bobcat]

Es ist gelernt worden!

[cold vessel]

You sure?

[whole rapids]

no, was a joke

[nocturne spruce]

what's a past participle participle Ari?

[ocean robin]

[shy bobcat]

🤦

ban me before luna sees

[viral thunder]

❌ Check failed. You probably don't have permission to do this.

[nocturne spruce]

Is it the secret Partizip 3

[whole rapids]

unfortunately, you have not gained a grammar point this time, but your efforts were commendable and I hope the passive will terrify you in your sleep, I mean, will be more clear to you now

[ocean robin]

Gewesen, gespielt, etc... = past participle

[shy bobcat]

@ocean robin I wrote past "participle" "participle"

that's what he's geting at

[ocean robin]

wOt

[nocturne spruce]

You know such illegal writing techniques shouldn't be taught in public

[red pewter]

that's okay :33 may I have another please?

[ocean robin]

Pferd, PHASE 4

[whole rapids]

no

[ocean robin]

:(

[whole rapids]

only those with 3 grammar points may do phase 4

[red pewter]

well, may I retry phase 3 :?

[cold vessel]

Do I have 3? 🤔

[whole rapids]

we can restart the phases and maybe you will both gain the necessary points

[ocean robin]

okay

Looks like a game lel

Translations games get funnier and funnier

[whole rapids]

PHASE 1
Translate: The fox is being hunted.

[shy bobcat]

What are the current counts of grammar points

and how are they won

[ocean robin]

WHY A FOX

WHY

[pine ginkgo]

i think everyone's at zero

[shy bobcat]

😦

[whole rapids]

grammar points are gained by flawlessly translating the grammar of a sentence

word usage is ignored because hard

[pine ginkgo]

i deal with word usage

[ocean robin]

Der Fuchs wird gejagt.

[pine ginkgo]

pferd deals with passive shit

[ocean robin]

[whole rapids]

yes, solet gives out word usage points

so far everyone is at -5

[shy bobcat]

[ocean robin]

wtfff

[whole rapids]

we now wait for cbell

[red pewter]

The fox is being hunted: Der Fuchs wird gejagt

[ocean robin]

:D

[tribal warren]

.

[whole rapids]

you both gain a grammar point

[shy bobcat]

Das französische Füchslein wird von einem memigen Arrem gejagt.

[ocean robin]

WOOOO

[cold vessel]

Der heißer Typ wird nachgestellt

[nocturne spruce]

Aber das impliziert, dass es einen unmemigen Arrem gibt

[tribal warren]

Discord accepts png's 😄

[shy bobcat]

@nocturne spruce Den gibt es. In diesem Server aber nicht.

[pine ginkgo]

how many grammar points would they have gained if they added (gerade), pferd

:)

[nocturne spruce]

Ach so

[ocean robin]

:<

[whole rapids]

PHASE 2 - SIMPLE PAST
Translate: The fox was killed by the dogs.

0.1 points

[shy bobcat]

@nocturne spruce Ich habe Arrem in anderen Servern unmemig sein sehen. 😮

[nocturne spruce]

Gibt es mehrere Arrems?

[shy bobcat]

inb4 flops oder ein anderes A-Niveau mich durch *gesehen "korrigiert"

[ocean robin]

Der Fuchs wurde von den Hunden getötet.

[pine ginkgo]

lol teeis

[red pewter]

The fox was killed by the dogs. Der Fuchs wurde von den Hunden getötet

[shy bobcat]

😦 such a sad story

😢

[ocean robin]

😦

[shy bobcat]

riF flap

[whole rapids]

you both gain a grammar point

[tribal warren]

rip flapps

[nocturne spruce]

Is this how flops' story ends?

[ocean robin]

YAY

[cold vessel]

@shy bobcat Why is it sehen? 🤔

[nocturne spruce]

Or is that a completely different fox

[shy bobcat]

@cold vessel double infinitive shenanigands

[whole rapids]

PHASE 3 - PRESENT PERFECT
Translate: Do not worry, the bell has been rung.

[shy bobcat]

@whole rapids flops kann leider keine weiteren Grammatikpunkte sammeln, weil sie schon wegen der Hunde tot ist.

😦

[tribal warren]

bell

you have been rung

[red pewter]

😄

uh

guys

I still don't understand commands

imperative is on my list of "hey i suck at this"

i will google.

[whole rapids]

I give you a hint

in my reply to Ari

[ocean robin]

Keine Sorge, die Glocke ist geklingelt worden.

[shy bobcat]

Sorgen* oder?

[whole rapids]

Mach dir keine Sorgen darum, sie wird wiederauferweckt werden

[nocturne spruce]

Masterful evasion of the imperative by flops

[sour mesa]

Sorgen

[ocean robin]

:>

[sour mesa]

Isn't it Sorgen

[nocturne spruce]

It is

[ocean robin]

shiet by the way

[nocturne spruce]

but that's beside the point

[ocean robin]

I was taught "keine Sorge" 🤔

[sour mesa]

Wew

What

[shy bobcat]

Macht euch keine Sorgen, Flappo wird bald aufgegeben haben

[whole rapids]

brutal

[sour mesa]

Lel

[nocturne spruce]

I guess "keine Sorge" would work in the same sense that "No worry" works

[ocean robin]

But there's also the "mach dir keine Sorgen" eh.

[nocturne spruce]

It is wrong, but passable

[pine ginkgo]

?

[shy bobcat]

In other words, it doesn't work 👀

[pine ginkgo]

It does

[ocean robin]

:>

[nocturne spruce]

It does?

[sour mesa]

Oh really

[shy bobcat]

Well, if it actually does ok

[pine ginkgo]

Either

Keine Sorge or Mach dir keinen Sorgen

[shy bobcat]

keinen

🤔

[ocean robin]

I mean, dict.cc says it

[pine ginkgo]

eh

yes

or

[sour mesa]

The holy dict.cc

[pine ginkgo]

Mach dir keine Sorgen

or keine Sorgen

[red pewter]

Do not worry, the bell has been rung: Mach keine Sorgen, die Glocke ist geklingelt worden.