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viral thunderBOT
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❌ Bad argument: Member "ari&floop" not found

shy bobcat
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Enton Evoli (ARREM DU MEME) ist ein cooles Pokemon, das immer Kopfschmerzen hat kappa. Ich liebe Enton Evoli! mmlol

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😄

ocean robin
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Enton ist ein tolles Pokemon, das immer Kopfschmerzen hat. Ich liebe Enton! Good job Arrem, yoi actually made me saying that...

shy bobcat
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@sudden panther floppy actually said it

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she loves enton

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enton 😄

sudden panther
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Enton Enton Entooooon! enton

ocean robin
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I don't care about that part! Is the sentence actually grammatically correct?

sudden panther
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Anything with Enton in it is correct.

ocean robin
sudden panther
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You should put Enton in all your sentences. And your math problems. And then they'll all be perfect.

shy bobcat
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I still think my revisions made it a little Flopsier thus better.

ocean robin
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No. No.

shy bobcat
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Enton Evoli (ARREM DU MEME) ist ein cooles Pokemon, das immer Kopfschmerzen hat kappa. Ich liebe Enton Evoli! waevoli mmlol

ocean robin
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YES ARI

shy bobcat
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Definitely improved

ocean robin
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I AM PROUD OF YOU

shy bobcat
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@sudden panther ban me, I flooped kappa

ocean robin
torn kindle
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Becky, lemme smash

sudden panther
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ban Arizonermeme

viral thunderBOT
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❌ Bad argument: Member "Arizonermeme" not found

sudden panther
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Okay, next one Floop.

shy bobcat
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😄

ocean robin
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Did I get this one right? open_mouth_cat

sudden panther
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I like snails and I have one. His name is Billy and he is 3 years old. 😄

ocean robin
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HE WANTS TO KILL ME

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Wait.

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This sentence sounds way too similar. Looks like the one I did today about my cat.

sudden panther
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Really? mmlol

shy bobcat
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I have a suspicion that that might be the joke 👀

ocean robin
cold vessel
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That's a pretty old snail

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How did it stay off your dinner table for all this time?

sudden panther
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Yeah. It's a miracle that she hasn't eaten it yet.

shy bobcat
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we can't all be expert snail biologists

ocean robin
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uuuuugh

shy bobcat
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🐌

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Ich mag Schnecken und ich habe auch eine. Sein Name ist Billy und er ist 3 Jahre alt. Ein perfektes Alter zum Essen 😄

ocean robin
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seriously Ari

shy bobcat
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@ocean robin translate Arrem is giving French-stereotyping sentences about snails to annoy Flappo

ocean robin
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YEAH

cold vessel
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Do you generally using biological gender when picking a pronoun for animals?

sudden panther
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See. My sentences were a lot easier Floop. I bet you'll meme that one up badly.

shy bobcat
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IDK, I bullshat that tbh, poor billy.

cold vessel
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Wait, snails are hermaphrodites 🤔

shy bobcat
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@sudden panther oh yeah true, that grammar might be above enton level 😦

ocean robin
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Arrem gibt französischen stereotypen Sätze über Schnecken, um Flappo zu verärgern

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🤔

sudden panther
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above Enton level
And then people call me mean. ❤

shy bobcat
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tbh not bad, except for "French-stereotyping" is pretty vermemt.

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@sudden panther 😉

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I'm nice when I need to be

ocean robin
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I was like "idk" for that part, Ari

cold vessel
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I was meaning to ask, do Germans always clearly distinguish between dürfen and können or is the latter ever used colloquially in place of the former?

sudden panther
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Ah so that's where I go wrong. Floop when was I ever nice to you?

shy bobcat
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well, this is some pretty fun grammar if we want to keep the original structure

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or we can change it to be something more familiar, like ... sentences about snails that stereotype French people ...

ocean robin
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Tbh I don't know Arrem, but since you gave me cookies once I think you're nice then?

sudden panther
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Eh, it's fine to use können when it doesn't really mater.

ocean robin
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Mh, okay Ari.

cold vessel
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Like if you don't need to worry about being polite? Or what do you mean?

shy bobcat
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The actual grammar of what I wrote would be something like Franzosen stereotypierende Sätze über Schnecke but for A level I wouldn't expect you to get that on the first go

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hell I'm a tiny bit shaky about that myself

sudden panther
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No, I mean colloquially. You might hear können instead of dürfen and that's fine. Nobody will bite your head off or anything.

shy bobcat
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@ocean robin so, rewrite the sentence?

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😄

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with the changed structure

ocean robin
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Arrem gibt Franzosen stereotypierende Sätze über Schnecken, um Flappo zu verärgern

hot oriole
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do Germans always clearly distinguish between

I always feel so excluded when people ask such questions. And people do ask this a lot on here. 😢

shy bobcat
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@ocean robin Well, I meant to do the version that said "sentences about snails that stereotype French people" 😛

cold vessel
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@hot oriole It's kinda awkward to say "German speakers" every time

ocean robin
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:^>

torn kindle
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Stereotypisierende*

hot oriole
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But it's the same in English right? Do you always say what do Americans say?

ocean robin
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blame ari

sudden panther
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This is why we should have some great leader guy unite all the German speaking lands under one flag.

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No, we can't blame Ari.

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Oh we can.

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Blame Ari.

shy bobcat
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Oh, stereotypieren just means "stereotype" in the old way

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like the literal way

cold vessel
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True, atlas

shy bobcat
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@sudden panther ban ari

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ari flopd

sudden panther
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Yes. Okay, if you're asking for it. 😄

ocean robin
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ban arimeme even if I can't ban

viral thunderBOT
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❌ Check failed. You probably don't have permission to do this.

ocean robin
cold vessel
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But what if I'm genuinely interested in how it's done in Germany? If I ask you about e.g. the preterite I'm going to get a totally different answer than if I ask solet or someone

shy bobcat
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@ocean robin anyway, Arrem gives sentences about snails that stereotype French people to annoy Flops. Using the right verb unlike me mmlol

hot oriole
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Newsflash: In Germany it's also not the same everywhere. In Bavaria it's like in Austria for example.

ocean robin
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Arrem gibt französischen stereotypen Sätze über Schnecken, die französischen Leute klischieren, um Flappo zu verärgern

cold vessel
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But there's a Standard German and a Standard Austrian, isn't there?

ocean robin
shy bobcat
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@ocean robin wot, how do you

ocean robin
shy bobcat
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did you add the clause in without getting rid of the original failed grammar?

sudden panther
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There's only Wienerisch and other inferior dialects.

ocean robin
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oh wait

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that's true

hot oriole
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But there's a Standard German and a Standard Austrian, isn't there?
That's the same. There are only a couple of specific Austrian words like Jänner for Januar.

ocean robin
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Forgot to delete it

shy bobcat
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französischen sterotypen Sätze .... die französischen Leute klischieren

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Classic flops

ocean robin
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yeah

shy bobcat
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repost without reduncancy pls

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😄

ocean robin
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Arrem gibt Sätze über Schnecken, die französischen Leute klischieren, um Flappo zu verärgern

sudden panther
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Fan Bloop.

cold vessel
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Okay

ocean robin
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What.

cold vessel
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I can certainly try to be more inclusive in my questions if you want to 🤷

shy bobcat
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@ocean robin why did you decline it "französischen"

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not to mention you could just use a single word instead of two

ocean robin
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mh, that's true

shy bobcat
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but

sudden panther
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"Mh that's true."

shy bobcat
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there is a single word for "a French guy"

sudden panther
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That was a question Flops. It can't be true or false. It's a question. You answer it.

ocean robin
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Thought die was only the relative pronoun

shy bobcat
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That's because it is.

ocean robin
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So I thought you had to use strong denclension because no article

sudden panther
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You do.

ocean robin
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Oh.

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Then where am I wrong?

shy bobcat
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@ocean robin look at a declension table

sudden panther
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At times like these I want to murder Floop. Figuring out that the die isn't an article was quite impressive. And then she floops it up by forgetting how things are declined.

shy bobcat
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also "stereotypisieren" doesn't exist according to the duden mmlol

ocean robin
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fak don't tell me it's -e

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reeeee

shy bobcat
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We won't

sudden panther
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Flops. Have you checked the table?

ocean robin
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fagasf not yet

cold vessel
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ocean robin
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It's -e x.x

sudden panther
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9th time, henbri. And she still hasn't memorized it. Keep going. 👌

shy bobcat
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@ocean robin ?

ocean robin
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Arrem gibt Sätze über Schnecken, die französische Leute klischieren, um Flappo zu verärgern.

shy bobcat
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Ok

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@sudden panther seriously, what's the proper word for "to stereotype", seska's doesn't even appear to exist, the one I used apparently only refers to typesetting, and ugggh <_>

sudden panther
shy bobcat
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yeah

sudden panther
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And also lists no synonyms for the 2nd meaning. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

shy bobcat
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ah well

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will have to do

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@ocean robin remember how I said "there's a single word you could have used instead of französische Leute"?

sudden panther
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Schneckenfresser? 🤔 That's rude Ari.

shy bobcat
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@sudden panther 👀

ocean robin
shy bobcat
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@ocean robin look up "Frenchman"

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what word does it give you

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use the plural of that

sudden panther
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And don't use "in Algerien geborener Franzose"

shy bobcat
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inb4 Franzmänner

ocean robin
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Franzose hm.

shy bobcat
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yeah, now use the plural of that

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instead of französische Leute

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inb4 "französische Franzosen"

ocean robin
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lel

sudden panther
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, die französisch sind*

ocean robin
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I didn't know Frenchmen were French, TIL.

shy bobcat
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"French French people, who are French"

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perfect

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🥖

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🥐

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🍷

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@ocean robin so therefore.....

ocean robin
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yah

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Arrem gibt Sätze über Schnecken, die Franzosen klischieren, um Flappo zu verärgern

shy bobcat
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@ocean robin wasn't that fun

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😛

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Arrem gibt Franzosen klischierende Sätze über Schnecken, um Flappo zu verärgern.

ocean robin
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uuuuugh

shy bobcat
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@sudden panther do you have any sentences for either of us? 😄

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Like Ari uses grammar even he's not sure of when giving Flappy sentences kappa

sudden panther
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Ari verwendet Grammatik gerade er'st nicht sicher von wenn gebend Flappy Sätze. EZ.

shy bobcat
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😷

sudden panther
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Idunno. I have some dishes to do. You can torture Floop for a bit. Foxxo gave her a neat grammar book the other day. You can do some translate + do exercise if you're not feeling creative.

shy bobcat
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Ooh what grammar book 😄

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@ocean robin what grammar book did you get 😄

ocean robin
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wait a sec

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Yhe file won't send, and I don't have the link =_=

shy bobcat
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😦

mossy lance
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how do you know when to use habe vs bin doing the other past tense thing

ocean robin
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Perfekt?

mossy lance
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ich habe gelernt

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ich bin gegangen

ocean robin
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Others = haben```
tribal warren
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bleiben doesn't imply movement

mossy lance
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lol bleiben

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thanks

tribal warren
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there are other verbs, though

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for example passieren doesn't imply movement, but you use sein

mossy lance
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also why is it sometime ge-verb-t and sometime ge-verb-en

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gegessen vs gelernt

tribal warren
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it's a verb that implies change of position or condition

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that uses sein

mossy lance
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oh

valid ice
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You use sein (etre) for bleiben (rester) in French, which is why she mentioned it mmlol

mossy lance
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so all the non sein ones use -t

tribal warren
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that's just the way it's formed

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Oh I know what @ocean robin meant with bleiben, sorry flappy

valid ice
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not always bunny, i think there's rules but i've found it so far easier to just learn the past participle ^^

mossy lance
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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i dislike learning things on a one by one case

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rules are easier

tribal warren
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Oh, some verbs have weird participles

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so like sein is irregular, its participle is gewesen

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nennen is gennant

valid ice
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According to my teacher, there are so many different groups, by the time you learn them all you may as well have just learned the past participle for the verbs you use anyway 😛

mossy lance
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well yeah the modal, irreg, and strong verbs can be weird

tribal warren
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if a verb has a separable prefix, for instance aufmachen, becomes aufgemacht

mossy lance
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otherwise i was hoping they are normal

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oh well

valid ice
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Otherwise I would've learned the rules also

mossy lance
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but the auf leaves anyways

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wait does it go

tribal warren
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how come?

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it does go

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aufgemacht

mossy lance
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ich habe gematcht auf

tribal warren
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No

mossy lance
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ERRR

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ich habe auf gemacht

tribal warren
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Ich habe die Tür aufgemacht

mossy lance
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the door

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it doesnt serperate

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😦

sudden panther
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Just to be clear about the whole sein thing, the explanation that's usually given is that you use it for verbs that imply motion or a change of state.

hot cloak
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Do you know a website to do very basic and entry level exercises?

mossy lance
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^

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me too

sudden panther
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There are some in the resource list.

mossy lance
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alright lemme try to learn them

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tbf it seems like at least all the common weak verbs use the ge-verb-t

tribal warren
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inseparable prefixes change the ge- prefix, so for instance veröffentlichen becomes veröffentlicht and verbs that end in -ieren, like passieren and informieren have the -t ending and no ge-, so passiert and informiert

valid ice
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Am I right in thinking verbs with be- don't take a ge-? 🤔

tribal warren
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Yup

mossy lance
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whats a verb with be

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lol

pine ginkgo
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Begleiten

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Bezahlen

mossy lance
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bedeuten

tribal warren
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that's in the inseparable prefixes category

pine ginkgo
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Bewerten

mossy lance
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thats right

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ich habe bedeutet

tribal warren
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beginnen 😛

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(that's irregular tho)

mossy lance
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lol

pine ginkgo
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Also not a prefix

tribal warren
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oh yea true

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I'm dumb

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bemerken

mossy lance
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ich habe bemerkt

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probably

tribal warren
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yup

mossy lance
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alright

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this is learnable

tribal warren
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You'll get the hang of it

valid ice
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I've also found (as a general rule of thumb) the weird, not used very often verbs tend to be -t

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but not always

mossy lance
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antworten

tribal warren
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geantwortet

valid ice
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That, and some participles take vowel changes -> schwimmen, geschwommen

mossy lance
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yeah

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its a strong verb

tribal warren
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yea, irregular ones

mossy lance
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so i can just ignore it for now

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lmao

tribal warren
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hmm

valid ice
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Not really 🤔

mossy lance
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whats schwimmen in preterite?

tribal warren
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I mean their participle forms are irregular

valid ice
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schwamm (?)

tribal warren
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which conjugation?

mossy lance
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ich schwomme ?

tribal warren
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ich schwamm

mossy lance
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is that a joke

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ugh

tribal warren
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it's I swam in english

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pretty close

mossy lance
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well

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its still a strong verb

tribal warren
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Der Schwamm is the sponge 😛

mossy lance
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in which case they conjugate differently so im putting it off

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how to say bacon

tribal warren
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Stop putting things of and learn it

mossy lance
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no ill learn it but like i need to learn weak verbs first

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each strong verb is different 😦

tribal warren
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I'm pretty sure it's der Bacon

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I don't know about a german name

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dictcc says der Speck

mossy lance
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how about

shy bobcat
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Speck ja ^^

mossy lance
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schweinfleisch

tribal warren
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Schweinefleisch

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what about it?

mossy lance
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verbrannt schweinefleish

tribal warren
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verbranntes Schweinefleisch

shy bobcat
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Schweinefleisch means pork

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not bacon

mossy lance
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yeah dumb adjectives

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the best thing about german is the word for gerbil

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run mouse

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i have to admit im very disappointed the word for bunny isnt "hop mouse"

tribal warren
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bat is die Fledermaus

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close I guess

shy bobcat
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😄

mossy lance
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flymouse?

round bay
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Wait until you learn the word Zeug

mossy lance
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i did

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thank

round bay
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Yay

tribal warren
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Idk about Fleder

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Gotta ask a native or Ari

mossy lance
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what gender is zeug

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das?

tribal warren
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Das

mossy lance
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yaya

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my guesses seem to be right about like 40%

round bay
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I dunno how much it gets used on its own

mossy lance
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maybe 45%

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well

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flugzeug is also das

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so i need to know

ancient spade
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@tribal warren you should be studying now

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:speak_no_evil:

tribal warren
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@ancient spade true

mossy lance
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i have a spanish quiz tomorrow

tribal warren
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I was reading Sagarana but bunny's question caught my attention

mossy lance
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which one?

tribal warren
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The one about Perfekt

mossy lance
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oh yeah

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thanks 😛

ancient spade
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Now you're being distracted by German speaking bunnies?

tribal warren
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I'm insane

mossy lance
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ich spreche very duetsch

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how would i say hopmouse?

pine ginkgo
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S A G A C I T Y

tribal warren
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But you're a german speaking monkey

ancient spade
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Dütsch?

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Lol

tribal warren
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S A G A S T A D T

ancient spade
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Whoa

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Lol

tribal warren
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I'll get back to reading then. Gute Memes

mossy lance
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springmaus?

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springermaus

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someone smart help

ancient spade
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Bons estudos

mossy lance
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pls

ancient spade
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What do you want to say?

mossy lance
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gtg ping me if you translate jumpmouse

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jump mouse

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for bunn

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bunny

ancient spade
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Hm, I don't know

round bay
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Springmaus

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My dictionary says "jerboa," which is apparently a rodent

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Which has springy legs zu springen

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The jerboa (from Arabic: جربوع‎‎ jarbūʻ ) forms the bulk of the membership of the family Dipodidae. Jerboas are hopping desert rodents found throughout Northern Africa and Asia east to northern China and Manchuria. They tend to live in...

torn kindle
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Cuuuuuuute

valid ice
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kill it

mossy lance
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lol

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ich bin springmaus

torn kindle
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Eine Springmaus

tribal warren
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Sei mucksmäuschenstill

torn kindle
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👌 😂

lost dagger
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There's a whiteboard in the library for people to write requests on

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And a bunch of people asked for therapy snakes.

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Right now we just have therapy dogs

opal sequoia
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Therapy snakes. 😻

upper raptor
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do we have lawyers here ;-;

thick charm
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I pretend to be one sometimes

upper raptor
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who know english & german, or any pointers? I would like to file a claim for an airline who's ignoring my communication

thick charm
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What have you tried so far?

upper raptor
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Email (3 of them) and social media who asks for my email then stops responding

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i got a german sim card today

thick charm
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Calling them directly seems like a good start. They might be swamped with e-mails.

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There's really nothing you can do other than be persistens itf you don't want to sue them outright.

upper raptor
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last email i got was about the age of the items inside the package

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and then the guy stopped responding

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even on a follow up email

thick charm
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Yeah, they do take their time, usually.

upper raptor
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it's a PC monitor and a mech keyboard

thick charm
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Do you know where they're currently stored?

upper raptor
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the package they were in was pretty badly damaged (After being lost for 4 days)

thick charm
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oh

upper raptor
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they're with me

thick charm
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That seems more like an insurance thing than a lawyer thing then

upper raptor
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the screen has a dent in it which bleeds all over it thing

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how so 🤔

thick charm
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If you have a Reisegepäckversicherung, they're liable for compensation if anything breaks while they transport it.

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Luggage insurance

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Assuming this was an accident on their end, you should be able to get a monetary compensation at the very least.

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Other than that, the airlines usually hold themselves responsible for the liability of items worth 1000€ or less, should they break while in their possession.

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Though I'm not an expert. You might want to consult an actual professional for that. It should be a pretty clear-cut thing if you can somehow prove that the items in question broke while they were in the airline's possession.

upper raptor
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nothing is insured on airlines, at least the ones over here

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And yeah my items are less than 1000eu

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that's the thing, where can i find a professional

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cause i don't know german

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I got a picture of the package when it arrived and a picture of the broken items (in their broken state)

thick charm
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I believe most lawyers here should be at least conversational in English.

upper raptor
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it was lost for 4 days then arrived without the wrapping and dented in all sides

thick charm
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Definitely in the larger cities

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There are some in Frankfurt that I know of, at least.

upper raptor
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Is it expensive?

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Because if it doesn't work i'll probably pay more than the value of the items 😦

toxic urchin
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make a post on german sub reddit

thick charm
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I'm afraid I have no numbers I can give you, really. Generally speaking, just getting some advise from a trained lawyer is expensive but not unreasonably so.

pine ginkgo
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you could try going to a beratungsstelle

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but they can generally only give advice

upper raptor
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I honestly have no idea what those german words mean lemme look it up

lost dagger
pine ginkgo
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is this a low budget ragout

ocean robin
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ok wow :^>

lost dagger
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Idk what it is

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it's all the food I could find put together in a bowl

upper raptor
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taste is king

lost dagger
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I spent about 90 years making it this is a disappointment

upper raptor
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does it taste well?

lost dagger
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no

upper raptor
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rip

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add salt and pepper and lemon

lost dagger
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It's alright

upper raptor
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x'D

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maybe oregano

opal sequoia
#

Wow.

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It doesn't look bad to me.

lost dagger
#

I just should have used way more curry powder I think

opal sequoia
#

Yeah probably.

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But you can always make more curry sauce.

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By itself.

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And pour it in.

lost dagger
#

True

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I'm so tired right now. I'll do that tomorrow

opal sequoia
#

Okay. ❤

lost dagger
#

I forgot I have class in 7 hours

upper raptor
#

sweet dreams

sudden panther
viral thunderBOT
#

:x: Could not find that message.

sudden panther
#

fuck off.

pine ginkgo
#

get freckt

sudden panther
#

🍆 💦 💦

ocean robin
ocean robin
opal sequoia
#

True. 😄

sudden panther
#

Foxxo nailed it.

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By the way Floop, 5 minutes left.

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3

tribal warren
#

Cool comics foxxo

sudden panther
#

2

ocean robin
#

"3 minutes left" Hm. I got bothered all day, had to take a shower, doing chores, even though I said I was working. Noice.

sudden panther
#

Well, you failed then.

ocean robin
#

:^<

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Can't I retry it when I have more time?

sudden panther
#

Sure. Except we'll change the assignment a bit and give you the usual 30 minutes instead of an hour. 😛

ocean robin
#

👀

pine ginkgo
#

do what ya gotta do, flops

torn kindle
tribal warren
#

Respekt

torn kindle
#

Thanks 😍

ocean robin
#

👌

upper raptor
#

Hey guys ^_^

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When i was in UAE i had a service that gave me a PO box in the US which forwarded stuff to me in UAE when i ship stuff to it, Package forwarding

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is there such a thing that any of you used in germany?

mild cosmos
#

ah yes, pourover coffee. and brewing into a carafe even? I must say, I'm feeling a little jealous as I sit here drinking my Kaffeepulver coffee

hot cloak
#

moin Leute

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was sind gute deutsche Websiten um einen Laptop für einen günstigen Preis zu kaufen ?

pine ginkgo
hot cloak
#

danke

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warum bist du (((banned))) luna? :d

pine ginkgo
#

weil ich nicht gebanned werden kann

hot cloak
#

warum denn

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?

pine ginkgo
#

per definition unmöglich

hot cloak
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genau, warum ist dass nicht möglich? du bist doch kein admin

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oder?

pine ginkgo
#

jep

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aber die werden mich trotzdem nicht bannen :)

hot cloak
#

ich wäre an deiner stelle nicht so sicher 🤔

pine ginkgo
#

doch doch

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alles ist gut

sudden panther
#

​​​​>​​​​b​a​​​​​​​​n @pine ginkgo

viral thunderBOT
#

❌ I cannot ban this mem(b)er.

torn kindle
#

^

ocean robin
#

:o

tribal warren
#

It's cause he's already banned

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:Keepo:

pallid kelp
#

so I'm watching sailor moon crystal with (because of) my bf

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and there's a scene where a guy kisses his own daughter, who is a loli

ocean robin
fair iron
#

Look away, Flappy.

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Berziii. ❤

upper raptor
#

Airline sent me a reimbursement offer

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200eur

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Nice joke

sharp willow
#

Question, proper German = Hoch Deutsch which is Southern German right?

shy bobcat
#

Ehhhh

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Hochdeutsch isn't really any one dialect

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It's a made up standard dialect

thick charm
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Southern German is anything but high German

fair iron
#

^

thick charm
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Where'd you get that from?

fair iron
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High German is in the North, such as Lower Saxony.

naive charm
#

Hochdeutsch is the standard dialect, that is the main dialect in the northern regions, but everyone in germany should be able to speak Hochdeutsch.

sharp willow
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oh then I have it backward eh?

thick charm
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High German is what the Prussians invented after annexing half the country.

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Super simplified

sharp willow
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I was thinking the moutains = high

thick charm
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Oh I get it

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Yeah no, that's not how it works in this case

sharp willow
#

oh okay

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i was just yalled at by some random person who said Moin is not German then told me it was not proper German.

shy bobcat
#

Be warned that High German and Hochdeutsch mean two different things 😉

sharp willow
#

oh?

thick charm
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It technically isn't, but you really shouldn't be yelled at for that. Greetings and the like are very regional.

sharp willow
#

can you explain that @shy bobcat

shy bobcat
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High German is a group of dialects, and Hochdeutsch is the standard German language

sharp willow
#

oh okay

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Hochdeutsch != High German?

thick charm
#

It can be translated as High German

shy bobcat
#

Sure

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but High German already means something

thick charm
#

The official translation is 'Federal German High German'

naive charm
#

Moin is the most proper german. It's on of the most used greetings around here (lower saxony)

thick charm
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Which is both ridiculous and amazing.

shy bobcat
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Hochdeutsch is based primarily on High German dialects judging by the consonantism, but High German dialects absolutely ≠ Hochdeutsch

thick charm
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To avoid confusion, you should probably call 'proper German' 'standard German'

sharp willow
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so the language and dialect are not the same?

thick charm
#

High German is the name for a group of German dialects. The ones in Germany proper.

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There's also Swiss High German, for example.

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Not part of the group

fair iron
#

The ones in Germany proper? What does that mean.

sharp willow
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ja i normally read Swiss High German, so i know it has it's differences

thick charm
#

In the boundaries of modern day Germany

sharp willow
#

like no ß

thick charm
#

excluding Austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg

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Did I use the wrong word?

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(And Liechtenstein)

shy bobcat
#

High German dialects are the ones that went under the weird consonant shifts (such as besser vs. better), as opposed to Low German, which didn't, and thus is more like Dutch

fair iron
#

I don't know what you tried to say, to be honest. 😦

sharp willow
#

well it did not make sense in English

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but i think i understood

thick charm
#

huh

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What word am I missing here

sharp willow
#

The ones in Germany proper.

thick charm
#

I know there's something

main frigate
#

Germany proper sounds very british english, so that might be correct

thick charm
#

No I know what I said

slender rain
#

That makes sense tho

thick charm
#

It does?

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Neat

shy bobcat
#

yes

sharp willow
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i was thinking proper should be in the front of German and not at the end....

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unless you make it an advjustive and said properly? (NEVER MIND THAT IS NON-SENSE)

naive charm
#

In spoken form I don't think there ever was or is really a "proper" standard, but in written language there is so we should distinguish here. The most used dalect, that is spoken is Hochdeutsch, which is the nearest equivalent of standard written german and is the dialect of northern regions.

sharp willow
#

anyhow, thanks for clearing that up for me

shy bobcat
#

I can't think of a better way to say "Germany proper" honestly

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It's a very nice construction

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😄

fair iron
#

I still don't quite get it. 🤔
Is German proper a title? If so, wouldn't it be German Proper?

thick charm
#

Germany proper

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as in within the borders of Germany

sharp willow
#

ohhh

thick charm
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Is what I meant at least

shy bobcat
#

yeah

thick charm
#

Did I miss the y?

naive charm
#

As in Meister Proper?

shy bobcat
#

that's what I understood 😛 @thick charm

main frigate
#

it computes

fair iron
#

Oh, now I follow. ^^

sharp willow
#

@naive charm so The most used dalect, that is spoken is Hochdeutsch, which is the nearest equivalent of standard written german and is the dialect of northern regions. would make moin part of Hochdeutsch?

shy bobcat
#

:

thick charm
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Well Hochdeutsch is really just what the victorious Prussians decided everybody should speak and they didn't really use moin as much. So it's technically not, no.

sharp willow
#

okay thanks

thick charm
#

Again, wildly oversimplified

opal sequoia
#

What you said made perfect sense, Chuck. It's just easy to mis-read.

thick charm
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Got it

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Thanks

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However greetings are usually in this weird grey-area where they're accepted as part of Hochdeutsch since every region has its own

sharp willow
#

well after being yelled at i want to understand it more

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so a grey-area is not this or that....

thick charm
#

If you wanna be super technical 'Guten Tag' is the one proper greeting in Hochdeutsch, but you really only use that if you're in a serious conversation with someone.

sharp willow
#

not Hallo?

thick charm
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Or Morgen and Abend respectively

shy bobcat
#

"Hallo" auch nicht? ^^

thick charm
#

Hallo works as well

naive charm
#

Language is an every changing construct, so if we consider that in fact, the dialects, that the prussians wanted us to speak is the standard dialect, than no one would be considered speaking Hochdeutsch, because with so many new word finding it's way into the language it's already different than back then. I would consider Moin totally as a part of standard german (Hochdeutsch), because not only is it very popular, but it's also used and understood, everywhere in germany.

sharp willow
#

seems like we are trying to really get down to what is 'the right way' to greet someone

shy bobcat
#

Ich meine, "Hallo" ist nicht "richtiges" Hochdeutsch?

thick charm
#

It wasn't for a while, iirc

main frigate
#

@naive charm - at some point too, the common words become infused into the language and become the norm

thick charm
#

It was semi-militaristic and came from something in Hungarian.

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Meaning something along the lines of "I'm listening"

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and it made its way over into German thanks to the Austrians

shy bobcat
#

🤔 but "hello"; I would think those two have a common ancestor

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and "hello" has a traceable Old English form, (h)ēalā

thick charm
#

Probably just two words that merged over time then.

sharp willow
#

@naive charm Ja, but this is the issue that English has. Where we have rules that no longer apply to everything and then silent letters

naive charm
#

hello and hallo were obviously having the same root

thick charm
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That's what I learned, at the very least

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Hello hasn't really been around as a greeting until the phone was invented.

sharp willow
#

that is interesting

thick charm
#

I think

sharp willow
#

so everyone said Guten Tag?

thick charm
#

The regional differences were far bigger back then

opal sequoia
#

Hochdeutsch is just meant to be your "official, by-the-books" German rules and vocab. It's not meant to dictate what is "correct" German in a real-world, practical sense or anything. So you shouldn't worry too much about what you use being Hochdeutsch.

thick charm
#

So every region had its own greeting and that was pretty much what they exclusively used.

opal sequoia
#

Like someone yelling at you for that is a bit silly.

thick charm
#

But they all share some similarities

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But yes, Guten Tag was the standard after the Prussians came in, at least that's how I remember it.

naive charm
#

"Guten Tag" sounds too formal and therefore sometimes emotionless for me at least

opal sequoia
#

Good day, gentlemen.

sharp willow
#

@opal sequoia I thought so too, however I was unsure and therefore did not say much back

opal sequoia
#

That's okay.

#

As a learner it is pretty reasonable to assume you're the one who's missing something.

sharp willow
#

can Wie geht es dir also be a greeting?

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or is that just an American thing (How it's going?)

fair iron
#

You could greet people that way.

thick charm
#

I suppose it would work, yes.

naive charm
#

The best greeting is still "Na?!"

sharp willow
#

lol

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I never seen that

thick charm
#

Personally, I'd add a 'Hey' or something at the start

sharp willow
#

can you give me an exmaple Chuck?>

thick charm
#

'Hey, wie geht es dir?'

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Literally hey, how are you

sharp willow
#

Hey is not English?

thick charm
#

It's an anglicism

sharp willow
#

na comes from naja?

thick charm
#

But a very common collouqial greeting

sharp willow
#

oh okay

thick charm
#

I don't think it does

sharp willow
#

I kind of want to study some of the althochdeutsch

thick charm
#

I don't belive na and naja have too much in common

hot oriole
#

The most used dalect, that is spoken is Hochdeutsch, which is the nearest equivalent of standard written german and is the dialect of northern regions.

Ehh. Wrong. The original dialect of the Northern regions is Low German. @naive charm

sharp willow
#

really?

cold vessel
#

In German though, should "Wie geht es dir" be considered like a genuine question?

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Because in English you kinda just assume people will answer "Good, you?" no matter what it seems

thick charm
#

na is more like well? within a question and naja is more like the unsure 'well...'

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I suppose they're close

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Depends on who you're talking to, Hen

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It can be a throwaway question just like in English

sharp willow
#

kind of sad that it is that way

opal sequoia
#

I don't think German is one of the cultures where you expect to hear the person's life story just by asking how they're going.

hot oriole
#

I kind of want to study some of the althochdeutsch

Old High German is super difficult even for native speakers since the language changed a lot since then. Middle High German is easier.

opal sequoia
#

If that's what you meant anyway.

naive charm
#

@hot oriole is it really the modern dialect of the northern region if no one is speaking that. I wouldnt say so. I mean yes in this region there was a lot of lower german back in the day, but nowadays, you will have a hard time finding someone, who speaks it, so considering that I wouldnt say low german is still "the" northern dialect. It's a different story in for example bavaria or saxony, because those dialects are stil spoken. And besides that: Low german is not a dialect, but a completely different language per definition

zinc seal
#

@opal sequoia Kann ich fragen: was ist die Geschichte deines Lebens?

opal sequoia
#

Ja, du kannst.

thick charm
#

It works, but phrasing it that way makes it seem super pompous

shy bobcat
#

mittelhochdeutsch ❤

thick charm
#

Like something you'd ask in a stage play

cold vessel
#

@opal sequoia Well, more like, if they're having a bad day, would they tell you after that question

thick charm
#

Genitiv does that to sentences

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Just use Lebensgeschichte instead

sharp willow
#

Well thanks so much for clearing all this up. Glad this place exist 😃

opal sequoia
#

Hmm, that I don't know, henbri.

shy bobcat
#

was is d1e Story vong Lebem her

crystal delta
#

Did somebody say Mittelhochdeutsch 😻

shy bobcat
#

Ja 😍

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das war ich, katzi

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warum? 😄

crystal delta
#

Did you read a text in Mittelhochdeutsch already? open_mouth_cat If so, respect ❤

hot oriole
#

I own MHG books.

hot cloak
#

German learners: when you don't study it, how do you practice your German?

hot oriole
#

I always buy the little Reclam books. ❤

zinc seal
#

Mit Musik und serienkucken

sharp willow
#

Mein handy ^_^

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@zinc seal was ist serienkucken?

ocean robin
#

waevoli 🐱

fair iron
#

*Serien *gucken.

zinc seal
#

^

fair iron
#

(Watching (TV) series.)

zinc seal
#

Ein Wort, das ich erfunden habe

hot oriole
#

@naive charm It's still incorrect to call Standard German the dialect of Northern Germany. It's the written language of all German speaking countries and regions and not bound to Northern Germany.

hot cloak
#

yeah

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anyone went to the Oktober Fest?

naive charm
#

Maybe I would have said something like "Hochdeutsch is a dialect that nowadays is tue most prominent spoken dialect in the northern regions" if you dont want ne to call Hochdeutsch "the" northern dialect.

hot oriole
#

Hochdeutsch are all German dialects in the South: Swabian, Bavarian, Alemannic, Franconian as opposed to Low German dialects in the North. So I'm not a fan of using Hochdeutsch for Standard German especially when talking about such a topic.

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I'd just say that the Northerners abandonned their dialects and adopted the written language.

naive charm
#

So what should i call the dialect I'm speaking? Niederdeutsch?
Modern standard German is Hochdeutsch. And yes some centuries ago I would have agreed with you

sharp willow
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so then what i said was right

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hoch = mountains

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which are in the south

hot oriole
#

You are then speaking Standard German which is a High German language.

naive charm
#

And what would you say is the german word for that? Hochdeutsch? Or is that a word you only consider to be in the definition it had in former centuries, which would not apply to northern Germany

hot oriole
#

Standarddeutsch

naive charm
#

Das sagt aber keiner

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Jeder würde das Hochdeutsch nennen

hot oriole
#

Was aber falsch ist. Hochdeutsch ist auch Bairisch und Schwäbisch. Nur weil es viele Leute sagen ist es nicht automatisch richtig.

naive charm
#

Aber Wörter haben die Eigenschaft ihre Bedeutung entsprechend ihrer Verwendung zu ändern. Haben sie schon immer und werden sie immer.

twilit garden
hot oriole
#

Stimmt. Es ist aber sehr ungenau. Gerade wenn man über Dialekte redet wird es dann ganz schnell verwirrend.

sudden panther
naive charm
#

Sprachen sind immer verwirrend. Das hat natürlich entstandene Sprache so an sich

olive valley
#

Und auch erfundenen/konstruierten Sprachen wird dieses Schicksal eines Tages zuteil.

naive charm
#

Aber gottseidank nur bei Sprachen, die zwischen Menschen gesprochen werden. Programmiersprachen sind immer eindeutig definiert ^^

shy bobcat
#

@silk locust you know you ought to go on here more, in this channel and #general they sometimes do some translation practice

#

your german will get gud if you come here

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😄

silk locust
#

?

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ye

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you know, i feel a little bit ashamed tbh

shy bobcat
#

@ocean robin can attest to this server getting people's german gud

#

...maybe

silk locust
#

that an english native speaks german better than me

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😦

shy bobcat
#

actually believing that english speakers are language handicapped 😩 kappa

silk locust
#

nah

shy bobcat
#

@silk locust but yeah, you do some translation practice and speak in the VCs here halal

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and your German go ^^^^^^ thru the roof

silk locust
#

but you know, dutch speakers would be in the advantage

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i thought

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yeah

ocean robin
#

yus I can witness

shy bobcat
#

Because they go hard on the grammar mistakes

silk locust
#

but you're A level?

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:thinkw:

shy bobcat
#

@silk locust yeah but she's gone from "wario" to "comprehensible" 😛

silk locust
#

i dont wanna know how they react on wario then kappa

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probably they'd hang him

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by the next morning

shy bobcat
#

you fuck up your grammar, they make sure you know what you did wrong 😄

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so, you get gud

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just don't take 20 minutes to complete one sentence eyes flappo kappa and you'll be good

silk locust
#

lel

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that's good

#

i could show you my spoken german 👀

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or we could speak in old english

#

in your discord

shy bobcat
#

dutch and german phonology are similar enough tbh

silk locust
#

yeah

shy bobcat
#

besides the G and a few vowels

silk locust
#

and german lacking ui

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glorious dutch ui

sudden panther
#

NEDERLANDS 🇳🇱

ocean robin
#

@Niederbauer yeah but she's gone from "wario" to "comprehensible"
LOL THAT KILLED ME

shy bobcat
#

you don't even know who wario is 👀

silk locust
#

it's for the better kappa

ocean robin
#

Lol I know who Wario is, isn't he a character from the Mario games?

shy bobcat
#

Lol

ocean robin
shy bobcat
#

No, a discord user called wario toad

#

claims he's studied german for three years

#

says such gem phrases as "wie geht du" and "ich kollst helfen"

#

basically "bad german personified" kappa

#

@ocean robin

ocean robin
#

"kamn ich dir hebfen"

shy bobcat
#

nice flopso typing

silk locust
#

Wario is a nice guy tho

ocean robin
#

👌

silk locust
#

but makes mistakes that a 3 year old would cringe at

shy bobcat
#

yeah

tribal warren
#

Did he leave the server?

silk locust
#

yes

#

or he wasn't here

shy bobcat
#

He was never here, afaik

tribal warren
#

Oh

silk locust
#

luckily kappa

sudden panther
#

Sounds like a fun guy. Can we play with him?

silk locust
#

anyways

tribal warren
#

Sure just select him in the character selection part

silk locust
#

@shy bobcat tbh i should learn the german adjectives 👀

sudden panther
#

We could let Floop bully him.

silk locust
#

i practically know the definite and indefinite article declension in my head now

shy bobcat
#

@tribal warren Yeah there's no mention of him on here, save for the few times I mentioned him kappa

silk locust
#

so i need to remember the adjectival one and the accusative prepositions too

#

and then i'm pretty much set

#

and need to only learn vocab

tribal warren
#

There's always that one person that says she has a ton of experience with a language but knows so little

shy bobcat
#

oh yeah we have another one

#

claims to be native latin

silk locust
#

yeah

#

native vulgar latin i'd believe tbh

#

but native latin i'd laugh at

#

unless they were that one monk in 1550

tribal warren
#

native latin

shy bobcat
#

Says he's native Latin, makes latin mistakes that I knowing virtually no Latin could spot

tribal warren
#

I'm a native latin

shy bobcat
#

😏

silk locust
#

*Montaigne's education began in early childhood and followed a pedagogical plan that his father had developed, refined by the advice of the latter's humanist friends. Soon after his birth, Montaigne was brought to a small cottage, where he lived the first three years of life in the sole company of a peasant family, in order to, according to the elder Montaigne, "draw the boy close to the people, and to the life conditions of the people, who need our help".[16] After these first spartan years, Montaigne was brought back to the château. The objective was for Latin to become his first language.

The intellectual education of Montaigne was assigned to a German tutor (a doctor named Horstanus, who could not speak French). His father hired only servants who could speak Latin, and they also were given strict orders always to speak to the boy in Latin. The same rule applied to his mother, father, and servants, who were obliged to use only Latin words he himself employed, and thus acquired a knowledge of the very language his tutor taught him. Montaigne's Latin education was accompanied by constant intellectual and spiritual stimulation. He was familiarized with Greek by a pedagogical method that employed games, conversation, and exercises of solitary meditation, rather than the more traditional books.*

shy bobcat
#

😩

silk locust
#

😩

#

ikr

tribal warren
#

Oh my

sudden panther
#

Daniel almost convinced someone that he was native Latin once.

#

And then he just gave up like that. I was never more ashamed of him.

silk locust
#

Dreng and I could convince someone to be native speakers of OE

shy bobcat
#

Like, if someone who was actually native latin would be amazing 😩

silk locust
shy bobcat
#

lül

tribal warren
#

If I replace all noun endings with -um

#

in Portuguese

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and plural with -a

silk locust
#

what we gear denes in gore dag uhmm

#

@shy bobcat 'll get the joke

shy bobcat
#

feed a king a-through yer' food mom

silk locust
#

🥘

shy bobcat
#

mom being bebbe 😩

#

@silk locust'll get the joke

silk locust
#

lel

#

😩

#

bebbe ne maciaþ gōdan fōda

shy bobcat
#

@silk locust :wearyo:

#

bebbe ne macaþ gódne fódan* 😉

silk locust
#

lel

atomic jasper
#

Is there a particular textbook anybody recommends? I'm struggling to find one that includes lots and lots of exercises and practice

#

For absolute beginners

opal sequoia
hot cloak
#

@atomic jasper Ideen, Sicher

#

Em

sudden panther
#

Hueber books are great. But a bit hard to find if you're not part of the secret Russian piracy network.

mellow crypt
#

😒

hot cloak
#

you can always ask your friend Foxxo to find links but Foxxo can ask you bout something in return 😉

sudden panther
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You owe me 3 books for evey day that I don't ban you. How's that? 😄

hot cloak
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ne you said I'm unbannable

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:P

sudden panther
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Well I said you're safe as long as Daniel and Floop are here. I can just get rid of them as well though. 😛

hot cloak
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oh you trickster

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😱

atomic jasper
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I'm a little confused.. But thanks for the recommendations

ocean robin
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Ayyy Krypti.

sudden panther
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Okay Floop. Warmup before Krypti comes.

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In whatever way and through whatever means a cognition may relate to objects, that through which it relates immediately to them, and at which all thought as a means is directed as an end, is intuition.

ocean robin
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I must translate this?

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Hoyl Arrem you crazy.

sudden panther
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Sure thing Floppso. I know you can do it.

ocean robin
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Whaaaaat.

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challenge accepted

viscid cape
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He's a kant lover, there's no doubt lol

opal sequoia
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Quick, Flappy, you have 1 minute.

ocean robin
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LOL NO

sudden panther
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Alright Floop. I'll give you a choice.

ocean robin
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Which is?

sudden panther
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You can either translate that or 10 sentences from Krypti. Your choice.

pine ginkgo
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in wasimmer weg und durch wasimmer meine eine kognition mai relativieren zu objekten, das durch welches es relativiert sofort zu ihnen, und bei welches all denken als ein meine is direktiert als ein ende, ist intuition.

sudden panther
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Brilliant as always. ❤

ocean robin
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what the fuck

sudden panther
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I like the Mai.

ocean robin
pine ginkgo
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i know arrem, it's a meisterwerk

sudden panther
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Floop. Choose.

quasi merlin
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Prepare your Solaranlagen

pine ginkgo
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actually a maisterwerk

ocean robin
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LOL MIKA

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And hi. waevoli

sudden panther
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Floop. Stop slacking off we haven't even started dammit.

quasi merlin
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Hi waevoli

ocean robin
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wOt

sudden panther
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Pick. Either translate 3 sentences like that one above or translate 10 sentences that Krypti gives you.

ocean robin
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3 sentence like this one?!

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fok I want to try this mmlol

sudden panther
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Dammit Floop. You can't translate Kant.

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Just take over, Krypti. 😛

ocean robin
viscid cape
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😂

sudden panther
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I'm pretty sure you'd just end up with what Solet wrote anyway. 😛

ocean robin
pine ginkgo
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i wish

ocean robin
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What do I do then?

pine ginkgo
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wait for krypti

ocean robin
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Okay.

viscid cape
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  1. From the thrift-mountain one easily comes to the abundance-mountain
sudden panther
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Alternatively you can get banned. That's a nice thing to do.

viscid cape
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😏

ocean robin
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wtf

sudden panther
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Lol Krypti.

ocean robin
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the heck is this

viscid cape
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Don't ask me, it's in the book Scriptures.

ocean robin
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MHM.

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👀

hot cloak
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hmmm was ist eigentlich besser: eine Serie zu gucken oder zu schauen, wie Flappsy leidet?

sudden panther
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Three more months with Krypti and Floops might just be able to translate Kant. mmlol

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I always like watching Floops suffer, foxxo.

hot cloak
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i like it too

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the best survival show ever

viscid cape
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Not even Germans can translate Kant

hot cloak
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so what are we translating today

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does anybody have a sentence for this poor frenchy grill

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or are you going to learn with Wormic

viscid cape
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Flappo you can watch the lesson before translating if you want

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It's about passive and should be useful for you

ocean robin
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Von dem Sparkassenberg kommt ein problemlos zu dem Überflussberg
WHAT JUST WHA-

pine ginkgo
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what

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whhat

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wghahszszw

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wghat

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wzhahagazzs

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wgqghshshwzshs

hot cloak
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Sparkassenberg

pine ginkgo
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shehhdihdhwhwodusiis

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sjsjsjwujdhejeidjdjeidf

hot cloak
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thats amazing

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i love it

pine ginkgo
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wjhdbdiehdjdikwjx Jo iwjshdd

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dejsjjdjcdjjcwooskxs

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see jsjdkjeiwiksjfjf we

ocean robin
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I love what I just created

pine ginkgo
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shsjxj do jwnebjsjdkwkd

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sjjsjsjdjdhejwjkdjdw

hot cloak
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you broke solet

pine ginkgo
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ddjjwjdjwkkfo re is

hot cloak
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flopss

pine ginkgo
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sjwjosjdhehwiqkdj email in sjdbdd

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ewndjejdjwhjsbeid

ocean robin
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but I broke Solet, nice.

pine ginkgo
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ban flops

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rofl

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this sentence is so funny

hot cloak
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From the thrift-mountain one easily comes to the abundance-mountain

ocean robin
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Happens ofte- oh shit FeelsBadMan

pine ginkgo
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in a bad way

hot cloak
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SPARKASSENBERG

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LMAO

ocean robin
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LOL WHAT COULD I DO

pine ginkgo
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THINKING

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YOU COULD THINK

ocean robin
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YEAH BUT I DID THAT

pine ginkgo
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or READ descriptions

hot cloak
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that's why we love you flopps

ocean robin
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OH SHIT

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THANKS FOXXO

pine ginkgo
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TRY READING AND THINKING

viscid cape
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😂 Loved it

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I need to eat brb

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Someone take over for some minutes

hot cloak
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Von dem Sparkassenberg kommt ein problemlos zu dem Überflussberg

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@sudden panther

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have you seen this

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you're probably going to be ded

ocean robin
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no not arrem plox 👀

sudden panther
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LOL

pine ginkgo
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arrem

sudden panther
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2139 right?

pine ginkgo
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can we change 2139 to 2039

ocean robin
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OH

sudden panther
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Yes tbh.

pine ginkgo
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good

hot cloak
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"kommt ein problemlos"

pine ginkgo
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yew foxxo

hot cloak
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einfach das beste

pine ginkgo
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when do you want to commit flopsicide

ocean robin
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oh god

sudden panther
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We can all do it together.

ocean robin
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:cold_sweat:

pine ginkgo
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i am open to that

hot cloak
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group suicide

pine ginkgo
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group flopsicide

hot cloak
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server flopsicide

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ah yep

cold vessel
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Flopstown? 🤔

quasi merlin
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I just read Flops' sentence.

ocean robin
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oh god

quasi merlin
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What is a Sparkassenberg 😂

ocean robin
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👀

pine ginkgo
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it's where german goes to die

ocean robin
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i have no idea mikah, I just picked one word, and another one, and boom compound word mmlol

pine ginkgo
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can you stop doing that

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and spend time actually learning

ocean robin
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Oh, okay. thinking_cat

sudden panther
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Eh to be fair Krypti did give her a bit of a meme sentence.

ocean robin
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But did I meme it too much?

quasi merlin
ocean robin
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facepalms

pine ginkgo
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yes, mikah

ocean robin
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i can't read again