general-2

[ocean robin]

Just why the fuck is it here

[pine ginkgo]

well

why not

or in other words

[red pewter]

hello friends I am dead

[ocean robin]

"Why not" Math, since always.

[pine ginkgo]

do you think you could solve it if there was not 9

[thick charm]

this is beautiful btw, 2 - 3 - 4. It's like a stairway to fame and glamour.

[ocean robin]

Hey Bell!

[thick charm]

Hey Bell!

[red pewter]

🙂 I am sick again

[ocean robin]

😦

[thick charm]

[nocturne spruce]

Hi Bell, get well soon

[pine ginkgo]

i bet you didn't sleep

[thick charm]

Hi Well, get bell soon

[red pewter]

😄

[ocean robin]

do you think you could solve it if there was not 9
I have no idea tbh

[pine ginkgo]

so why do you care about the 9

you can care about stuff being there

[red pewter]

luna i feel very called out

[thick charm]

because they were the kings of men?

[pine ginkgo]

if you have a reason you can solve it wiithout

[thick charm]

The 9 are an integral part of lotr lore

[ocean robin]

Because I need to figure out why it's here to continue

[thick charm]

smh

[ocean robin]

Or it's meaningless

[viscid cape]

😂

[thick charm]

Okay I feel like I should calm down a bit. I'm on a roll today but tat's just confusing poor Flöpsel. Time to play some videogames

tag me if you need me luvs

[red pewter]

what game chuck :?

[viscid cape]

She's missing theory tools, I think you won't be able to insert those in her head by giving more exercises

[thick charm]

Fire Emblem Warriors

[pine ginkgo]

oh

chuck

you saved your switch?

[thick charm]

Got the game yesterday, now it's time to start the grindfest

yeah I did

[sudden panther]

@thick charm You're not even gone and we already miss you.

[pine ginkgo]

let's be switch friends!

[red pewter]

The new switch game?

I wanna be switch friends too ❤

[pine ginkgo]

😦

[red pewter]

even though my life is consumed by my Stardew Valley farm rn

[thick charm]

Sure, you can all add me: SW-2767-9437-1298

[pine ginkgo]

i just got my switch last week

[sudden panther]

So Floop. Are you gonna do your thing or should I tell Casca that you forgot it all?

[thick charm]

It's Chuck, btw

[pine ginkgo]

so still busy with zelda

[red pewter]

Luna! What a journey ❤

[pine ginkgo]

and then mario

and then i will get stardew valley

i think

[red pewter]

I've had my switch since the release day and still haven't finished Zelda

[pine ginkgo]

i play too much 😦

[ocean robin]

I will try to do it with the best I can, I don't want him to be disappointed or such because he spent time learning me something and I forgot 😦

[thick charm]

do I need your friend code as well or can you just do all the work for me?

[pine ginkgo]

uhhhhhh

if i don't forget it

[nocturne spruce]

do you have anything to do Luna?

[pine ginkgo]

playing games

and finding a job

[nocturne spruce]

if no, then why does it matter how much you play?

oh, point 2 is relevant

[pine ginkgo]

because

the more i play

[red pewter]

who needs a job? 😄

[pine ginkgo]

the faster i am finished

and then

i have to find something new

[nocturne spruce]

what a tragedy 😄

[pine ginkgo]

yes

MONEY

[nocturne spruce]

well, how has looking for a job been going for you so far?

[sudden panther]

I once forgot something that Casca taught me. He spent the next 7 days crying.

[pine ginkgo]

dunno

i am being lazy

i should answer some of the requests on XING

maybe

[thick charm]

either way

just add me whenever

and we can be switch buddies

[nocturne spruce]

that chain of comments is driving me crazy luna

[pine ginkgo]

why

na

i am wrapping up some real life stuff

[nocturne spruce]

Because it sounds like one of my friends

[hot cloak]

looking for a fu- I mean study buddy
never mind I just said that to make the joke

[nocturne spruce]

and I hate it when he talks like that

[pine ginkgo]

hehehe

nice

good to know, pengu

[thick charm]

I could procure both, Daniel

I know a lot of people

[pine ginkgo]

we can fuckswitchbuddies

what wat

[thick charm]

'steaMii'

[ocean robin]

I tried ;___;

woops

[thick charm]

Did you write that on jelly?

[ocean robin]

forgot a minus symbol

Jelly? Wat?

[red pewter]

why are we doing math :?

[ocean robin]

That's a slate huh.

[placid heath]

WACKELPUDDING

[red pewter]

is that jelly? Looks like jello.

[placid heath]

Und dann noch Waldmeister!

Gut.

[thick charm]

oh right

british vs american

always forget it's jello

[ocean robin]

So let me add the minus symbol I forgot boi

[red pewter]

sorry my british english is bad 😄

[thick charm]

No worries, it's just how I learnt it

[ocean robin]

Wait Arreeeeem, I need help!

[placid heath]

mine english is ouch bad

[thick charm]

ooch*

[ocean robin]

^

good

Mh, Arrem ist weggefloppt. Sad.

[tribal warren]

Flops using her own verb

coolio

😛

[ocean robin]

Solet, can yer help me?

[sudden panther]

What.

[ocean robin]

Good Arrem is here.

See the awnser I posted above and tell me where I add a minus symbol to get -30x.

[sudden panther]

Well I have to give it to you, that's a nice idea.

Explain https://i.imgur.com/UJUKyqI.png though.

How can x be equal to -6x.

[tribal warren]

cause 1=-6

duuh

or x=0

[ocean robin]

Well isn't x a coefficient?

Thought so

If so, my reasoning is all wrong...

[tribal warren]

What is that factoring on the left

what

[ocean robin]

idk berg, I tried

[tribal warren]

Okay, can I see what the exercise is?

[thick charm]

the excercise it to torture Flappy as much as possible

[tribal warren]

I know what you mean with x=6x

[ocean robin]

Simplify that.

[thick charm]

Because she needs to learn that people are cold and maths is made for torturing people.

[ocean robin]

👀

[tribal warren]

LOL

okay, what did you do to try and simplify that?

[sudden panther]

She kinda went into the right direction and then did some Flops magic that I don't get at all.

[ocean robin]

jesus christ

whai

[sudden panther]

Anyway, Floop, do you remember that cool equation Casca taught you last summer?

[ocean robin]

The loooong formula?

Oh, wait, that was for the equation = 0. Nou.

[ocean robin]

h-huh

[sudden panther]

Let's try using that one here and see what it gives us.

[ocean robin]

that was the one I was thinking about though

But I don't know it by heart

[tribal warren]

The thing is, you can factor a polynom that looks like that by writing it as a(x-x1)(x-x2), flopsor

x1 and x2 are the roots :p

[ocean robin]

Arrem, just how. What's c?

🤔

[tribal warren]

c is the term that has no x

[sudden panther]

Definitely telling Casca that you forgot everything.

[ocean robin]

huh huh

[tribal warren]

xD

[ocean robin]

😰

[viscid cape]

If you do an exercise like this every day, you won't forget it anymore

it's all a matter of practice

[tribal warren]

Okay, first things first

25x²-30x+9

Identify a, b and c

[ocean robin]

I t-tried 😦

oh

A = 25^x / b = -30x / c=9?

[tribal warren]

close

a = 25
b=-30
c=9

[ocean robin]

wat wat

oh

[tribal warren]

They're coefficients

[ocean robin]

Since we're searching for x

got it

[tribal warren]

Okay, now you have to apply the formula

[ocean robin]

Doesn't a site exist for doing this formula, I am lazy right now 😶

[tribal warren]

No websites

No lazyness

[ocean robin]

shiet

time to get my calculator then

[tribal warren]

No calculator

[ocean robin]

wait

what

[red pewter]

can german please be as easy as algebra?

[sudden panther]

You won't have a calculator on a test.

[thick charm]

nein²

[ocean robin]

Huh?

[cold vessel]

arrem, what?

[tribal warren]

30² isn't that hard come on

think of it as (3*10)²

[ocean robin]

Arrem, are you kidding?

[sudden panther]

Are you allowed to use calculators during your math tests, Flops?

[ocean robin]

Yes.

[tribal warren]

Okay but this is not a simple test

Flapsor in Brezel, no calculators, ever

[sudden panther]

What the shit France. It's highschool. you're support to torture them.

[ocean robin]

OF IF I COULDN'T I WOULD BE DEAD ALREADY

[sudden panther]

That also explains why you can't do math.

[cold vessel]

I don't think I had a math test without a calculator after I was like 12 🤔

[tribal warren]

Omg that's so easy

[ocean robin]

😦

[tribal warren]

a=25
b=-30
c=9

[sudden panther]

What the shit are they doing over there. I'm in Uni and they don't allow me to have a calculator. Not that it would help, really.

[placid heath]

Me neither.

[ocean robin]

I am sorry but that square root. Seriously?

[placid heath]

But get a calculator to solve shit.

Oh

[red pewter]

just reduce it, flaps

[placid heath]

Mitternachtsformel!

[tribal warren]

Seriously

flaps, just do the math, you'll notice something

[sudden panther]

Yes. You'll be able to calculate it. You should be at least.

[ocean robin]

I-I'll try to do that...

[tribal warren]

okay let's go slowly

what's b?

[ocean robin]

30?

[tribal warren]

no

[sudden panther]

Also, when you're done, I'll give you a protip. Ping me.

[ocean robin]

wtf

🤔

[tribal warren]

b=30

[clear pebble]

Is that the quadratic formula?

[tribal warren]

no

[thick charm]

miss

[tribal warren]

b=-30

[ocean robin]

-30

[tribal warren]

Genau

[cold vessel]

You don't get to use a calculator on a fucking uni math exam?

[ocean robin]

^

[placid heath]

Mein Lehrer sagte immer: Die Formel heißt Mitternachtsformel, weil ihr sie fehlerfrei aufsagen können müsst wenn ich um Mitternacht bei euch einbreche und euch wecke und frage!

[tribal warren]

so in the formula, how would -b be?

[sudden panther]

Of course we don't.

[thick charm]

a8

[ocean robin]

-~~-~~30?

[tribal warren]

-(-30)

[sudden panther]

Lol.

[tribal warren]

yes

[ocean robin]

[tribal warren]

don't do -- like that pls

[placid heath]

henbri, a calculator wouldn't help you in those exams

[thick charm]

tfw nobody wants to play battleship

[sudden panther]

What's a different name for --30. And don't say 29.

[tribal warren]

so -(-30) that equals to?

[ocean robin]

I was like "what"

[placid heath]

Well, maybe for small multiplications

[sudden panther]

Wot Korea says btw.

[ocean robin]

30?

[tribal warren]

Yes

Okay let's work inside the square root

[ocean robin]

Woo.

oh god

[viscid cape]

@placid heath Has he ever done that 😂

[tribal warren]

what's (-30)²?

[placid heath]

Kryptik

[cold vessel]

Pretty sure I've been allowed to bring a calculator on every single exam I've had

[placid heath]

What's the female form of der Lehrer

[viscid cape]

[cold vessel]

Like I could have brought one on my philosohpy exam if I wanted

[thick charm]

die Leere

[ocean robin]

900?

[tribal warren]

Yes

[sudden panther]

Here are our old analysis exams. http://dmg.tuwien.ac.at/gittenberger/bisherANA.pdf
You can find mine on page 67.

[placid heath]

No, Kryptik

He hasn't

[tribal warren]

okay, now -4ac, what's a and c?

[placid heath]

Not yet 👀

[ocean robin]

die Lehrerin, btw

[placid heath]

Gut Flops. UND JETZT RECHNE WEITER!

[ocean robin]

OKAY

[tribal warren]

Flops don't lose track

-4ac, write that

[ocean robin]

a= 25 / c= 9

ops

[tribal warren]

cool

so what do you have so far?

[sudden panther]

Or my algebra exam on page 73 here http://dmg.tuwien.ac.at/gittenberger/bisherADM.pdf

[tribal warren]

forget the division, for now

[ocean robin]

uh

[tribal warren]

the upper part

[ocean robin]

We did 30 - 900 - (4*9*25) idk how to do square roots on computer 😦

[hot cloak]

Omg second degree polynomicons

[tribal warren]

it's fine, just write sqrt

you forgot, something, though

[ocean robin]

oh again

[tribal warren]

it's not just a minus sign

[ocean robin]

🤔

[tribal warren]

it's ±

[ocean robin]

But Casca said that we had to use either one or the other.

I remember that well, though.

[sudden panther]

Yes. ± is a shorthand for that. Either one or the other.

[tribal warren]

Yeap

[cold vessel]

@sudden panther Can't say I understand much of the German, but it seems like your exams generally require less calculation than ours

[tribal warren]

So, (4*9*25) should be easy to calculate

[sudden panther]

Yep, they definitely do. You don't need a calculator.

Take the combinatorics problem of my algebra exam (page 76). It just says "give the expression, you don't need to calculate it".

[ocean robin]

4925 is easy to calculate? Jesus christ I need mental calculation training.

[tribal warren]

What's 4*25?

[sudden panther]

"mental"

[ocean robin]

100?

[tribal warren]

Yea

so what's 100*9

[ocean robin]

Yeah blame French Arrem. We do say mental calculation.

900?

[sudden panther]

sag
🇩🇪

[tribal warren]

Awesome

That wasn't hard, was it?

[ocean robin]

Nope

[tribal warren]

So getting back to our expression, inside the square root, what do you have?

You had 900-4*9*25

[ocean robin]

900 - 900

wAt

[tribal warren]

See, no calculator needed

[sudden panther]

wot a coincidence!!!!!!!1111111

[valid ice]

wowzie

[ocean robin]

what the fuccccxk

[valid ice]

very coinidinkal

[sudden panther]

Flops just got maths'd.

[tribal warren]

It's 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cold vessel]

Should have given her one where it was negative

[tribal warren]

No henb

[sudden panther]

False. 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! = 1.

[tribal warren]

Bad hanb

Hahaha, arrem

Anyhow, now what do you have

You may now consider the lower part

@ocean robin

[cold vessel]

Honestly sound nice, Arrem. I always made some kind of sloppy mistake in my calculations

[tribal warren]

I just felt how it is to be floppd

Disappointed

[ocean robin]

I need to sleep.

[thick charm]

no you don't

it's Saturday

[ocean robin]

I really do, I am tired

[tribal warren]

Can we finish first, pls?

We're so close

[cold vessel]

As long as you're in here doing math by 8 am sharp, flappy

Or German

[tribal warren]

Oh, one thing, what's the latex bot you guys use here?

MathBot?

[ocean robin]

okay so I am here a bit

[sudden panther]

Yeah. Here they kinda assume that you can already calculate. Although I have failed at simple calculations as well.

[tribal warren]

Or what API do you use

Okay, Flops

Where were we?

[sudden panther]

Once got a point taken off from a test because I wrote something silly like 1 * 2 = 4.

[ocean robin]

... 🤔

That was a flop.

It was a sign.

Anyway, Berg.

We were at 2ab

[tribal warren]

No, 2a

[sudden panther]

Kek.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[tribal warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/305746952929280001/371398795629428746/latex.png

oops

[ocean robin]

So it's 50

[tribal warren]

Yea

So what's the final expression you have

[ocean robin]

0/50

[tribal warren]

No

[ocean robin]

30/50

[tribal warren]

Good

which is equal to?

[ocean robin]

uh

idk

[tribal warren]

(irreducible form)

[ocean robin]

2/3?

[tribal warren]

No, flaps

[ocean robin]

woops

[tribal warren]

3*10/5*10

You have that

[ocean robin]

3/5?

[tribal warren]

Exactly

So what does it mean? What's 3/5

Do you understand what you did by using the formula

[ocean robin]

yus

[pine ginkgo]

reduce 20/25 then

[tribal warren]

25x²-30x+9

What does 3/5 mean, then?

[pine ginkgo]

or nvm let bergi do the stuff

he is really into it now

[ocean robin]

that x is 3/5

So

[tribal warren]

Okay, but the thing is

You still gotta factorise it

Do you remember how to factorise a 2nd degree equation?

[ocean robin]

25*(3/5)^2-30*3/5+9

🤔

[tribal warren]

that's 0...

[ocean robin]

Huh?

[tribal warren]

3/5 means that, if you place that as x=3/5, you'll get 0

[ocean robin]

wat

[tribal warren]

but that's not how to factorise it

[ocean robin]

I am confusion.

[tribal warren]

okay I'll explain it

think of x²-1=0

what are the numbers that satisfy that?

[ocean robin]

Eh?

[tribal warren]

haha this is hard to explain

Okay lets go back to the factorising, then

Idk how much they taught about 2nd degree equations

Were you taught how to factorise them?

[past creek]

was ist mit dem Math XD

toll

[sudden panther]

Eh?
Lol. Kids are so silly cute.

[tribal warren]

Haha

[ocean robin]

Wat are 2nd degree equations.

[tribal warren]

equations like this

ax²+bx+c=0

or the one we have

25x²-30x+9

[sudden panther]

Equations that have a square in them, IOW.

[tribal warren]

Yes

[ocean robin]

OH NO NOT THOOSE

THEY ARE SO ANNOYING

[tribal warren]

what do you mean not those? You just solved one

[past creek]

Discord ist auch Kultur

XD

[sudden panther]

Given that this is a problem I took from her test, I'd say they covered them, Bergo. 😛

[tribal warren]

hm

I assume she doesn't know how to factorise it, though

[fair iron]

She's been taught in the past, actually.

[sudden panther]

Oh look, Casca is here.

To see just how much stuff Flops forgot.

[tribal warren]

a(x-x1)(x-x2), does this ring a bell, Flappy?

[ocean robin]

Nope.

[pine ginkgo]

bergi what do you study

🤔

[fair iron]

Remember the quadratic formula, Flappy?

I taught it you a while back. ^^

[ocean robin]

Yeah, I remember that.

[tribal warren]

Why?

[ocean robin]

But I didn't know that the result was 0 there

[fair iron]

The formula only works if the equation is equal to zero.

Oh.

Good point.

[tribal warren]

What I meant is that, when you substitute x for the root of the equation, you'll get zero

Cause that's what she did

I noticed that I'm not so great at explaining things in English. 😛

Okay

You have that x1=x2=3/5, right?

And you want to simplify 25x²-30x+9

[ocean robin]

Mhm?

[tribal warren]

So use the form I gave you: a(x-x1)(x-x2)

a=?

[ocean robin]

25?

[tribal warren]

Yes

and what's x1 and x2

[ocean robin]

uuuh

[tribal warren]

It's the thing we found

Using the formula..

[ocean robin]

3/5?

[tribal warren]

Yes

So combining all of that info together, what's a(x-x1)(x-x2)

[ocean robin]

Are we still searching for x?

🤔

[tribal warren]

No 😛

[ocean robin]

oh god now I am losing track because I am tired

What's x again?

[tribal warren]

Look, it's fine, I'm not the best at explaining math in english

@sudden panther How would you explain the difference between the roots of the equation and the terms of the polynom

[sudden panther]

They're completely different things.

[ocean robin]

Nou, you do quite a good job here.

[thick charm]

good explanation

[sudden panther]

A root tells you what value you need to substitute for x to make the equation equal 0.

[tribal warren]

So when you have something like 25x²-30x+9, x isn't something that you're supposed to find

[ocean robin]

It's just me who is ready to sleep at any second

[sudden panther]

Maybe you should just go to sleep and we'll continue tomorrow. 😛

[tribal warren]

Maybe

We got so close though

[viscid cape]

But but... German exercises....

😂

[ocean robin]

👀

[viscid cape]

No worries, I'll just double them for tomorrow

[ocean robin]

👀

[tribal warren]

25x²-30x+9 has no defined x value, Flops

If you had

25x²-30x+9=0

Then it would be x=3/5

[slender rain]

lol you're german exercises are good tho

[ocean robin]

And what about x1 and x2?

[tribal warren]

Those are the roots of the equation

[cold vessel]

Roots = the solutions if you set the expression equal to 0

[tribal warren]

So let's say, if you had an exercise that said "Find the roots of the following equation 25x²-30x+9=0"

[ocean robin]

🤔

[tribal warren]

Then you would apply the formula and find that x=3/5

[cold vessel]

It wouldn't say that, Berg

Oh, you edited it

[tribal warren]

Yea, it was me derping

[viscid cape]

Shaddap snail, or you'll be Flopp's next meal

[cold vessel]

But then wouldn't it just say "solutions" and not "roots"? 🤔

[ocean robin]

=3=

[tribal warren]

Both work

[cold vessel]

"The root of an equation" sounds weird to me

[tribal warren]

Okay, then you explain

Imma have coffee I think

I'm too bad at teaching

[viscid cape]

Maybe it's a portuguese thing, we use 'root' all the time here

[cold vessel]

Nah, I'm just pedantic as fuck

[ocean robin]

Coffee... Can't drink that.

Sleep... maybe.

[viscid cape]

Sleepy Floppo

patspats

You studied hard today

[ocean robin]

^^"

[tribal warren]

To me:
Sleep = ❎
Coffee = niicee ✅

😛

But I do love sleeping

[viscid cape]

we need a red symbol for X, this green one is confusing as hell

[cold vessel]

It seems like I'm wrong anyway, "root" is used like that

Seems super redundant, but whatever

[viscid cape]

Why redundant

[tribal warren]

Not really

[cold vessel]

Because you already set it equal to 0, so why say "root" 🤔

[tribal warren]

Hmm

[ocean robin]

Can I sleep?

[tribal warren]

True

[sudden panther]

Yeah, I've seen root used like that haha.

[tribal warren]

Sure Flaps

[sudden panther]

Yes Flop, go to sleep.

[ocean robin]

See you guys.

[tribal warren]

Good night

Dream about factorising 2nd degree polynoms

😄

[viscid cape]

Good night foxy. See you tomorrow.

[cold vessel]

Your dreams should be ambitious. Make them 3rd degree

[tribal warren]

=v

[zinc seal]

Ich habe gearbeitet und bin wieder zurückgekommen, und der Unterricht lauft immer noch

[cold vessel]

https://math.vanderbilt.edu/schectex/courses/cubic/cubic.gif

Wow, that's unreadable. Good job, discord

[slender rain]

What a concidence!

[tribal warren]

Discord good as always

[viscid cape]

@zinc seal Wahrscheinlich dieselbe Aufgabe 😂

[zinc seal]

Ja deshalb bin ich Überrascht

[pine ginkgo]

yo bergi

[tribal warren]

?

@pine ginkgo yes?

[pine ginkgo]

how was your time

teaching flops

[sudden panther]

mfw my code breaks when I add a printf

[pine ginkgo]

lol

[tribal warren]

Oh sorry

[sudden panther]

https://giphy.com/gifs/daughter-how-marama-corlett-elena-tonra-l0MYOUXqQoWdH5aLe

[tribal warren]

I tried being patient but we didn't finish it =x

I'm not the best at teaching tho

[pine ginkgo]

didnt finish ehehe

[viscid cape]

You need to be patient

She might take more time than the other students to grasp maths

So it'd be nice if people here were more patient than her teachers

😛

3. For Lloyd’s ( ) of London, the frauds of the early 1980s seem a thing of the past.

Wtf does this mean

Lloyd's of London?

I wish I had done better at my German exam

Listening was terrible

And I also nominalised messen with Maß

Should've been Messung

😦

Not to mention other mistakes I didn't notice

[pine ginkgo]

oh no

[viscid cape]

[sudden panther]

I found my bug. And learnd that there's an unsigned char in C. Murder me please.

[zinc seal]

Die zweite beste Sprache!

[whole rapids]

You wrote unsigned char in your code?

[sudden panther]

No. I wrote char. When what I needed was an unsigned char. Because that apparently exists. 🙃 🔫

[zinc seal]

I don't know why they call it a char, it should just be a byte

[sudden panther]

Becaue they want to confuse poor Arrems. 😦

[zinc seal]

Because darn it, but you might need to store a -c

[sudden panther]

Yeah but they could have went with both, I suppose. Though it's not that big of a problem when you're used to the language. But it sucks when you're doing bit twiddling magic and it suddenly stops working because of a silly wrong assumption. 😅

[past creek]

do you guys know other channels like Phil Laude? XD

[lost dagger]

I didn't know schools had anthems

[sudden panther]

Juan is a music student. Try pinging him in the morning. He might know a thing or two.

[hot cloak]

juan is here? haven't seen him for a while

[hot cloak]

What do you guys think about piracy? Do you think it is immoral? Do you think it should be illegal?

what kind of piracy

I think drinking rum and wearing beards is pretty ok

[toxic urchin]

immoral? depends, illegal? if enough people think it is then it is

[hot cloak]

Sorry for not being too specific about that

I'll give you an example

Take Elsevier for example

well, I use pirate books or games or watch films every day and don't give a shit

and it's bad

but who cares

the largest scholarly publisher, whose 37% profit margin1 stands in sharp contrast to the rising fees, expanding student loan debt and poverty-level wages for adjunct faculty.

I pay for some indie games tho

cause they need money

Not too long ago, a harvard official came forward and said that even they can't afford the ridicilous prices.

I think withholding scientific information like that is very dangerous

I also don't understand how science can be copyrighted

it belongs to everyone, trying to put a price tag on scientific information is very dangerous

it creates a powerful elite which can use that scientific information for all kinds of malicious stuff

Think about it, Elsevier could just make it impossible to access their knowledge tomorrow

Do you guys see how a private company having such an incredible share and monopoly over education is dangerous?

there was a site of one Kazakhstanian woman that pirates science articles

yes, I know her

[toxic urchin]

google DIY cruise missle

[hot cloak]

I agree with her

and with you too

I think it is immoral to withhold scientific information, and our only safety net against a possible coup which would wreck havoc to education worldwide is piracy

I don't think that everyone should just pirate everything, but the companies' unreasonable prices make it impossible for ordinary people to access it

If harvard is having trouble, how can you expect a single student to prevail?

Our only punishment tool against such corporate greed and malevolency is piracy, and the government is not being helpful with that

To give you an example an anatomy book in my country is 210 TL. minimum wage is 1021 TL. Do you see the ridicilousness?

[toxic urchin]

education is a luxary

[hot cloak]

Anyway long live Blackbeard

It shouldn't be, unless we wanna go back to medieval times

when the Catholic Church and the other lords could rip off people all day long because they didn't know any better

You'd just implement the same system, only the ordinary folks wouldn't know for certain that they're getting screwed

and that going against the wishes of the elite is a bad thing to do

the same guilt-tripping BS forced on people but with different labels

[toxic urchin]

ordinary people do know but most don't care

[hot cloak]

Most students&people who need to access information do care

but does it matter? if a baker wants to read an article about medical biology, he'd still be incapable to do so

[toxic urchin]

a lot of students care because they want a degree so they can get a job

[viscid cape]

If you ask me, authors are the ones to blame

Why don't they boycott elsevier? no one is asking them to publish through there

[hot cloak]

Other companies are no better

And more importantly, you can't go along with an unkown&small company, they wouldn't have the means Elsevier has

also keep in mind that authors are just regular professors who dedicate their lives to science, and they care more about science and less about money. To them, spreading their book wide is more important

The problem is there are no government regulations against this, in fact, the government actively cracks down on pirates at every chance

[viscid cape]

Well as for the government, they won't be able to do much about a russian website

[hot cloak]

It wouldn't be too far-fetched to say that companies are paying government officials to make sure that things are going well

[viscid cape]

They can sue it as much as they want to, it's outside their jurisdiction

[hot cloak]

No, but they can track who uploaded it to that russian website

[viscid cape]

Don't VPNs prevent that

[hot cloak]

VPN's are useless against governmental means

[viscid cape]

Oh

[hot cloak]

There are more than 1 way to track someone

Regardless of where you appear to be signing in from, you're still using your local internet bandwidth

It's easy as pie to trace someone for that reason

[toxic urchin]

It doesnt matter if the network is encrypted

[viscid cape]

I see

[hot cloak]

You could possibly encrypt what you are sending, but you'd still get traced

If it was that easy to avoid government, pedos would never get caught lol

[toxic urchin]

the isp cant know whats data is going through them if its encrypted

There are people doing a lot of shady stuff and never get caught

[hot cloak]

That's because they make sure that nobody is aware that they are doing that

anyway

[toxic urchin]

well if you're going to do something illegal in the open then you get caught

[viscid cape]

I've uploaded a few books there

Am I screwed

[toxic urchin]

nah, if you were hosting pirated stuff for others then you'd be in trouble

[viscid cape]

I upload eveyr book I buy there

:3

[toxic urchin]

going after every single person involved in piracy is a huge waste of resources

so they go after the big whales

and try to make an example out of them to scare others

[viscid cape]

germany does from what I've heard

A friend of mine downloaded ONE MOVIE

And received a letter that he'd be fined for 500 euros

He had to hire a lawyer

[hot cloak]

did he pay more to lawyer

?

[viscid cape]

Good question lul

[hot cloak]

btw

this site isn't Russian and it's closed for Russia

cause some smarty pants

from "science elite" said some pretty bad things about the creator

[toxic urchin]

which site?

[viscid cape]

I thought it was

It's closed for Russia? Wtf

[hot cloak]

Sci-Hub

the woman that made this site is from Kazakhstan

[toxic urchin]

they have 10000000s other options to get stuff

if you cant find some books o the popular sites then use irc

[viscid cape]

I remember when I was a kid

I used irc to download games lol

Omg

I had forgotten about that

I downloaded half life 2 beta like that lol

Before the game's release

doom 3 as well

good times

[toxic urchin]

I didnt have internet till 2013

Or 2012

All those fake download buttons

And pop ups

so annoying

Its been years and the fastest connection i ever had was 3mbps

2mbps rn

Have you ever had a triple kill with less than 15 fps and over 280 ping in league?

[slender rain]

have that sweet sweet 1 Mbps

[twilit garden]

@tribal warren

sadly i uploaded it in the wrong channel ^^

[tribal warren]

That's awesome

You guys have names of groups that I didn't see in high school

Like Allen or Keten

or the diamin

[twilit garden]

well you don't see them all too often anyway ^^

[tribal warren]

I know most of these, though

Except the ones with Sulfur, I know none of these

[twilit garden]

keeping away from sulfur compounds is a stance that is usually gladly appreciated by your nose ^^

[tribal warren]

haha

Oh yea, we do learn some geometrical isomery as well

which I guess is one of the hardest things that are presented in high school organic chemistry

[hot cloak]

my new geometry teacher is 76 years old woman and in her profile on the university's site was written that she believes in sacral geometry

damn

didn't know that geometry is a religion

[valid ice]

Sacrad geometry? hehe

https://youtu.be/sf5OrthVRPA

The audio's a little mono, but funny nontheless

[viscid cape]

@ocean robin 6. The university student has been reading Kant's Philosophy for 3 years.

[ocean robin]

👀

[twilit garden]

Matt Parker ❤

[ocean robin]

Waiiiiiit. I really know the tense for "has been reading"? Perfekt? 🤔

[viscid cape]

That's part of the puzzle

[sudden panther]

Lol.

hat sein lesen, obviously

[ocean robin]

Because I have seen some weird things with "worden" at the end

[sudden panther]

Or maybe it's hat sein lesend. 🤔

[ocean robin]

Like "hat gemacht worden" or idk wot

[sudden panther]

Pretend you didn't.

You'll learn about that later on.

[quasi merlin]

"worden" is for passive thingies

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

Now it would just confuse your floppy brain.

[hot cloak]

hat sein lesing

you dumbo arrem

[sudden panther]

o rite 😦

demotes himself to A2

[hot cloak]

😤

[ocean robin]

i have no idea about that "has been reading" tbh

[pine ginkgo]

can you identify the tense in english though

[ocean robin]

Persent perfect continuous or something like that? I feel like I just created an abomination ^^"

[pine ginkgo]

and what do you have trouble with?

[hot cloak]

is there present perfect continuous in german floppso

[ocean robin]

Are you reeeeally sure it's "hat gewesen lesen" 👀

[cold vessel]

🤔

[ocean robin]

looks like an abomination

[cold vessel]

Flappy, when you translate the continuous present tense, what do you usually do?

[pine ginkgo]

i like you henbri

[ocean robin]

🤔

[hot cloak]

yes I'm sure

[ocean robin]

well I just use the present tense in German 🤷

[cold vessel]

Okay, so what's the analogue here?

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

flops

pls

[sudden panther]

Do we need to start teaching basic logic too now? 🤔

[viscid cape]

To be fair, her question isn't really obvious

[sudden panther]

present continuous => present
present perfect continuous => ???

[viscid cape]

😂

[sudden panther]

There we go. It doesn't get much more obviousererererer than that.

[viscid cape]

German doesn't have a strict present perfect equivalent though

Where is this going

[hot cloak]

arme Floppo

[viscid cape]

Maybe we should try a conceptual approachie

Well nevermind I don't think I can explain it all that well

[hot cloak]

generalized there are only 3 tenses that you need in your everyday speech

[ocean robin]

Okay let's just use Perfekt then...?

[hot cloak]

Perfekt, Futur 1, Präsens

[viscid cape]

Flappo, what time does Perfekt refer to in German?

Think about what present perfect continuous means in English, in this sentence

[ocean robin]

The past?

[viscid cape]

It means something began in the past, and lasts until the present

In German, there's no strict equivalent

But you can build a structure that has the same meaning

[ocean robin]

Thanks for teaching me English as well, didn't know the use of that tense :v

[viscid cape]

Using a certain tense, combined with a certain preposition to express the point in time at which something began and continue until the present

[ocean robin]

Because I am just using that tense because... it sounds better or I have an example which goes with that tense 🤔

[viscid cape]

Don't worry 😄

So, how would you say in German

That something is still going on

And has been going on since a certain point in the past

[ocean robin]

Perfekt? 🤔

[viscid cape]

As you said, Perfekt refers to the past

I want to say that it's still going on

You can't express that with Perfekt in German

[ocean robin]

yeeeah

[pine ginkgo]

(try other tenses that indicate the past)

(and think about them)

[ocean robin]

🤔

I seriously need Prateritum?

[hot cloak]

she is a meme

now I'm sure

[viscid cape]

smacks Solet

[pine ginkgo]

:D

[viscid cape]

Shush.

[pine ginkgo]

:(

listen to your teacher, not me

runs away

[viscid cape]

😏

Now.

You need to express that something is still going on, and it began at a certain point in the past.

[hot cloak]

hey guys, may I ask you to look at my recent post in #general ?

[viscid cape]

Think about that.

[ocean robin]

🤔

uuuuh

[viscid cape]

Can you think of a preposition

That says something began at a point in the past

And is still going on?

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

mhh

okay, what prepositions do you know that deal with time

[ocean robin]

uuuuh

[pine ginkgo]

(krypti what do we do now)

[viscid cape]

We wait I think, this is something she has to know

😡

[pine ginkgo]

(i defer to you, teacher, roger)

[viscid cape]

😂

Flappo name 3 time prepositions

[ocean robin]

I am still thinking about those :(

Oh wait there's seit

And uuuh 🤔

[viscid cape]

And what does seit mean

[ocean robin]

For/since?

[viscid cape]

And what does that mean

[ocean robin]

🤔

[hot cloak]

what does it mean

:thinking:

[ocean robin]

What do you mean by "what does it mean"?

[pine ginkgo]

if you use since/for

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

oh, sorry

krypti you do

[ocean robin]

lol

[viscid cape]

You can talk Solet

😂

[pine ginkgo]

okay

if you use since/for

what does it indicate

what aspect of time does it refer to

or what is different in the meaning of since/for compared to other time prepositions

or maybe differently

when do you use since/for

[viscid cape]

I'm going to eat, you take over 🕵

[pine ginkgo]

noooo

krypti don't leave me alone

[viscid cape]

Gooooooooone

[cold vessel]

😂

[ocean robin]

Well, when there's time which has run out during date A and date B 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

what

uh

can you elaborate on that

i don't really understand what you say there

[ocean robin]

Let me think a bit

[hot cloak]

you think a lot 🤔

<- floppso

[pine ginkgo]

observant of you

i hope krypti is back when flops finished thinking

[viscid cape]

Back

"Well, when there's time which has run out during date A and date B 🤔"

Hummm I think I get what you mean

Now, what you call date A

Is a point in the past

And date B

is the present

Don't you agree?

[sudden panther]

I'm still in favor of hitting Floop in the head when she's not looking and hoping that she wakes up as a genius.

[pine ginkgo]

krypti is back

thank the krypts

[viscid cape]

😂

[ocean robin]

I'm still in favor of hitting Floop in the head when she's not looking and hoping that she wakes up as a genius.
i dunno what I should think about that 🤔

And yeah Krypti, that's what I meant.

[viscid cape]

So

[pine ginkgo]

can you explain it in your own words again?

[ocean robin]

uuuh

[sudden panther]

"There's date A and date B and uuuh - ah i have to go eat "

[pine ginkgo]

krypti i am sorry

[viscid cape]

😂

[ocean robin]

I have no idea how to explain that again 😦

[viscid cape]

Solet thought about leaving the club but it seems he'll get back into it lol

[pine ginkgo]

there's this

little thing

called hope

that one day

flops will be able to do it

... and i am clinging to it for some reason

[viscid cape]

😂

[ocean robin]

[viscid cape]

Well, when there's time which has run out during date A and date B 🤔
You can rewrite that, but using something else instead of date A and date B

Namely what I just told you

[ocean robin]

uhh

During a past event and the present?

[viscid cape]

Yes, okay

So

Since indicates a point in the past time

When something began to happen

And it has been going on up to the present moment

Do you understand that?

[ocean robin]

Yeah?

[viscid cape]

Then if 'seit' translates that notion

[ocean robin]

oh but

how

[viscid cape]

How do you say "I've been doing X for Y" into german

Ops

[ocean robin]

🤔

I have no idea tbh

[viscid cape]

"I've been doing X for Y" means you started doing X in the past

And you're still doing it

For Y time

[ocean robin]

Yeah, but how do I translate the "I have been"?

[viscid cape]

You use seit + a certain tense

Which tense is it

[ocean robin]

Perfekt?

[viscid cape]

If you used Perfekt, you'd be talking about the past

It is still going on

[ocean robin]

Present? 🤔

[viscid cape]

Yes.

[ocean robin]

wat

[viscid cape]

You're describing something in the present

That began a certain time ago

You use present tense

And seit to indicate it began Y time ago

[ocean robin]

yeeeeah

[viscid cape]

Now translate it

[nocturne spruce]

It's the same as the difference between
I studied German 2 years ago
and I have been studying German since/for 2 years

[viscid cape]

I want you to translate both of Penguin sentences

Before you move on to my translation

[ocean robin]

Der Hochschulstudent liest Kants Philosophie seit 3 Jahren

TOO LATE AH

[viscid cape]

Lul

[pine ginkgo]

still do pengu's

also don't say Hochschulstudent

[viscid cape]

Student is enough

[ocean robin]

ah okay

[viscid cape]

Now translate pingo's

[ocean robin]

But grammar? ;u;

[pine ginkgo]

now

translate

pingu's

[nocturne spruce]

also note, don't use präteritum when translating the first

[ocean robin]

Awww okay 😦

[cold vessel]

Do all of these work?
Der Student liest Kants Philosophie seit 3 Jahren
Der Student liest seit 3 Jahren Kants Philosophie
Seit 3 Jahren liest der Student Kants Philosophie

[pine ginkgo]

yes

if you want to sound natural

:P

[nocturne spruce]

All three look fine

[pine ginkgo]

smartz pengu

[nocturne spruce]

1 is what I'd personalyl say though

[viscid cape]

1 sounds a bit weird orderwise

[nocturne spruce]

the other two I'd use in writing

[viscid cape]

Doesn't it?

[pine ginkgo]

i'd say 2

but it just depends on what you want to emphasis

[viscid cape]

Hum

[nocturne spruce]

It might be, it's just the one I see myself forming on the spot

[pine ginkgo]

it's just individually, what types of words you give priority to

[cold vessel]

What's the difference in emphasis between 1 and 2? Is it just earlier in the sentence = more emphasis?

[pine ginkgo]

yes

1. is more about reading kant

[quasi merlin]

Is it?

[pine ginkgo]

2. is more about how long

[ocean robin]

Ich habe Deustch vor 2 Jahren studiert / Ich studiere Deutsch seit 2 Jahren

[viscid cape]

I read 1 as emphasising the time

[ocean robin]

🤔

[sudden panther]

Fan Bloop.

[viscid cape]

Flappo, that was good. But watch for the verb.

[pine ginkgo]

also

watch for flopping

fix the flopping first

[ocean robin]

oh god there's a flop

where though

[pine ginkgo]

...

read

carefully

[ocean robin]

oh my fokking god

Ich habe Deutsch vor 2 Jahren studiert / Ich studiere Deutsch seit 2 Jahren ;u;

[cold vessel]

Now fix the verb

[quasi merlin]

You need a different verb.

[ocean robin]

awww :/

Lernen?

🤔

[viscid cape]

Good.

[pine ginkgo]

well

[cold vessel]

What if you studied it in uni? 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

depending on context

yeah

this is correct too

since the previous sentence from krypt was about a student

[nocturne spruce]

I used "study" so flops can't be blamed

[pine ginkgo]

one could think this is about a student too

[cold vessel]

Fix the form though

[ocean robin]

Ich habe Deutsch vor 2 Jahren gelernt / Ich lerne Deutsch seit 2 Jahren ther :v

[cold vessel]

Wait, I'm being dumb, sorry

[viscid cape]

Good, pupil

You've learnt how to translate present perfect continuous

That's a good step

[ocean robin]

wooooui

[sudden panther]

Ask her again in a week. 😛

[pine ginkgo]

or in a day