general-2

[sudden panther]

Good.

[stark drift]

Pin this

[sudden panther]

Okay. So now add an I think. I think the man you saw is dead.

[cold vessel]

Why not "ist tot"? Isn't "ist gestorben" "has died"?

[sudden panther]

Yes, but I don't care about the little details that much haha.

[cold vessel]

Fair enough

[ocean robin]

"Der Mann, den du gesehen hast, ist gestorben."

[red pewter]

Ich denke, der Mann den du gesehen hast, ist gestorben

oh comma hell

i'm sorry.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

Forgot the "ich denke"

[sudden panther]

Do you see a mistake in there Floppo?

[red pewter]

and the den would change the order to du gesehen hast right?

like flap said?

[fair iron]

Yep.

[ocean robin]

"Der Mann den"?

Like wait what.

[sudden panther]

See your sentence above. There's a missing comma but it makes sense.

[ocean robin]

If you want to see "the man that I saw"

Yeah comma.

[sudden panther]

And that's right, bell!

[red pewter]

😮 ❤

[cold vessel]

Is "dass" after "ich denke" optional? Is it less formal?

[ocean robin]

jesus I am still ashamed about "das Mann"

[sudden panther]

It's optional, and I was hoping that they wouldn't leave it out. But we can try using a dass now as well.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[fair iron]

Spotlight effect, Flappy.

[quasi merlin]

Dat Fläppers

[ocean robin]

Yeeeeah.

[red pewter]

it's optional in english too

[sudden panther]

So Flips since you're always slower, give us the sentence with a dass.

I think that the man you saw is dead.

[red pewter]

she's always faster between us

[ocean robin]

Ich denke, dass den Mann du gesehen hast, ist gestorben.?

[sudden panther]

You flopped it up big time.

[ocean robin]

:mmlol:

[sudden panther]

Do you wanna try, bell?

[red pewter]

uh

still der Mann

[sudden panther]

As a hint, you can't leave anything out, yeah.

[red pewter]

idk why that changed

[ocean robin]

🤔

I don't want to day something

[sudden panther]

Everything that was in the previous sentence remains. We add a dass and potentially change some things around.

[red pewter]

Ich denke dass der Mann, den du gesehen hast, gestorben ist

[ocean robin]

It could spoil or not I dinno

wait.

What.

[quasi merlin]

Almost

[ocean robin]

🤔

I was sooooo far from that x.x

[sudden panther]

Yeah, the inserted clause might be throwing you off. But dass is a subordinating conjunction and still affects word order.

[ancient spade]

That was pretty close :D

[sudden panther]

We can pretend that the den du gesehen hast isn't there.

[red pewter]

gestorben ist?

[sudden panther]

Aye!

BASE SLEEP

[red pewter]

Ich denke, dass der Mann, den du gesehen hast, gestorben ist.

[opal sequoia]

(Please put comma after denke also)

[ocean robin]

^

[sudden panther]

And a period at the end if we're already nitpicking. 😂

[opal sequoia]

Comma isn't nitpicking. 😞

[sudden panther]

Lovely!

[red pewter]

❤

[whole rapids]

hello I have returned

[sudden panther]

So Floppo is that clear?

[fair iron]

Hey, Pferd. ^^

[whole rapids]

are you ready for my easy-but-not-easy sentences again

[ocean robin]

Floppo says yes.

[whole rapids]

hello Casca

[fair iron]

Flappy speaks in third person now?

[sudden panther]

We'll test that out tomorrow.

[ocean robin]

Sometimes Casca I do that.

[sudden panther]

Hit her up Horsie.

[whole rapids]

what are we testing her/them with?

[sudden panther]

Throw in some cases and adjective declensions. Try not to go overboard with vocab.

[ocean robin]

LIKE YOU DID LAST TIME

[whole rapids]

:

[red pewter]

^

bell looked up nearly every word in that

[whole rapids]

The silly dog went behind the big man.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

[sudden panther]

Nice adjectives.

[ocean robin]

^

[sudden panther]

Ooh. Challenge.

Add your own adjectives.

[ocean robin]

👀

[whole rapids]

there

adjectives

[ocean robin]

I want to put mine lel

[whole rapids]

acceptable, but only if they are alliterations

[sudden panther]

And then they call me strict.

Horsie best teacher.

[red pewter]

Der lustige Hund ging (?) hinter den großen Mann.

[ocean robin]

Der dumme blaue Hund ging hinter dem dicken kleinem Mann.
NO, I DO WHAT I WANT TO DO

this sentnece is silly as fuck

[cold vessel]

So flappy, what do we know about "hinter"?

[ocean robin]

don't tell me it's acc because it's not a location

...

[whole rapids]

flappy-chan

[ocean robin]

;_;

[twilit garden]

both accusative and dative are possible here

[ocean robin]

YES

GOOD

[twilit garden]

they have different meanings, but both make sense here

[red pewter]

we both are winners ❤

[cold vessel]

Huh. What's the meaning if you use dative?

[whole rapids]

but flappy-dono, why are the adjective declensions different for the man?

[twilit garden]

that the dog was walking behind the man all the time

[ocean robin]

:thinking:

[cold vessel]

Ohhhh

[ocean robin]

What do you mean, Pferd?

[cold vessel]

I don't think that makes sense in the English version though

[sudden panther]

"Dicken kleinem"

[cold vessel]

You wouldn't use "went"

[sudden panther]

Pick one.

[ocean robin]

geeez

[twilit garden]

i didn't see that error sorry

[ocean robin]

Der dumme blaue Hund ging hinter dem dicken kleinen Mann.

that was silly

[thick charm]

ur silly

[ocean robin]

yes

can conform

[whole rapids]

the English sentence does not have that nuance nor can it, I think

[pine ginkgo]

ur baka

[red pewter]

more than 10 minutes chuck 😠

[ocean robin]

you weeb

:v

[cold vessel]

Right, it would have to be "The silly dog walked behind the big man." or something

[ocean robin]

don't kill me please solet

[sudden panther]

Shh Flops. Go do more German.

[whole rapids]

yeah, that is what I'd expect

[ocean robin]

I am on fire today

[whole rapids]

I guess you could interpret the sentence like the dative German equivalent but you'd need more context to deduce that

[sudden panther]

Stop drop and roll Flops.

[ocean robin]

wat

[whole rapids]

new sentence

[red pewter]

I'm on fire today

[ocean robin]

[whole rapids]

this time from Arrem-senpai-san

[sudden panther]

:(

[ocean robin]

Arrem-senpai-san

wot

[sudden panther]

I don't get paid enough for this.

[whole rapids]

mb, I forgot his honorific

[ocean robin]

LOL

🍪

[sudden panther]

Aw thanks.

[whole rapids]

Mr Dr Arrem-senpai-san-kun-dono-vienna

[sudden panther]

VIENNA 😍

Alright. So. Er.

[twilit garden]

Er?

Why not Sie?

[ocean robin]

Er.

I am confused.

[sudden panther]

I'M THINKING OKAY

[ocean robin]

WHOA CALM DOWN YOU MEME

[sudden panther]

No. 🙁

The naive man whose black wallet they stole called the police.
Let's see if you remember things, Floppo.

[red pewter]

oh god

[ocean robin]

OH.

[sudden panther]

Forgot the most important part.

[ocean robin]

Der naive Mann, dessen schwarze Brieftasche sie stehlen, ruft die Polizei an.

🤔

[cold vessel]

Tense?

[sudden panther]

Past tense please. 😄

[ocean robin]

shiet

Der naive Mann, dessen schwarze Brieftasche sie stahlen, rief die Polizei an.

🤔

WOOOOO

HOLY

[sudden panther]

One day Flops will use the present perfect.

[ocean robin]

One day

[cold vessel]

Der naive Mann, dessen schwarze Brieftasche sie gestohlen haben, hat die Polizei angerufen

[sudden panther]

Alright Floppo, could we see how that sentence would look like with Geldbeutel instead of Brieftasche?

[red pewter]

Der naive Mann, dessen schwarzes Portemonnaie sie gestohlen haben, hat die Polizei angerufen

I'm sorry I'm slow

[ocean robin]

Der naive Mann, dessen schwarzen Geldbeutel sie stahlen, rift die Polizei an.

Portemonnaie lmao

Word stolen from frenchie

[sudden panther]

No that's fine, but could you try removing the article.

[twilit garden]

i was gonna ask for Portemonnaie after Geldbeutel ^^

[lavish saddle]

🤔 der schwarzes

[red pewter]

D: it's the first word I learned for wallet!

[ocean robin]

AH

WAIT WHAT.

[cold vessel]

Flappy, it's nice that you aren't copy pasting, but watch for typos 😛

[ocean robin]

why -es?

[sudden panther]

Why schwarzen Flops? Which declension do we use?

[ocean robin]

🤔

But the genitive is on the owner!

[twilit garden]

deren is for female 😉

[ocean robin]

#genitive_arc

[sudden panther]

Which declension do you use Flops?

[red pewter]

oh. oops

[ocean robin]

Thought it was Akk ;u;

But then if it's Gen

[sudden panther]

Declension, not case.

[ocean robin]

-es for der/das ans -er for die

[sudden panther]

Weak strong or mixed.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

Ahhh.

[twilit garden]

btw Flöpsel, germans have a really hard time with spelling "Portemonnaie" ^^

[ocean robin]

Well strong, there isn't an article

Heheh, Nemo.

Love my English woooo

[sudden panther]

But there's a dessen, isn't that an article?

[ocean robin]

🤔

[sudden panther]

Yes? No?

[hot cloak]

yes?

[ocean robin]

tricky question why

[hot cloak]

🤔

[sudden panther]

Well, technically no. It's a relative pronoun, not an article. 😉

[hot cloak]

hey btw long time no see

[whole rapids]

hey fox creature

[red pewter]

hello friend ❤

[hot cloak]

damn x)

[sudden panther]

So the Geldbeutel has no article of its own and we use the strong declension, as you said.

Hia foxxo, what's up?

[hot cloak]

everything is cool :)

[sudden panther]

Are you back home?

[hot cloak]

I've just met a new german girl that came to my city with this Kulturweit program

yep!

[sudden panther]

Also bell, Flops, any questions about the sentence?

[red pewter]

yes

[hot cloak]

having a good time here ^-^

[red pewter]

I struggled with placement of the last verbs

[sudden panther]

Oooh that's fun. Now become best friends and let her make you a C2 speaker. 😄

[red pewter]

and decided the whose belonged to the middle part

unlike the other where the that belonged to the outer part

[hot cloak]

and I feel like I forgot English I should improve it after my german exam

[red pewter]

is that the logic i should be using?

[hot cloak]

😝

[sudden panther]

Der naive Mann, dessen schwarzes Portemonnaie sie gestohlen haben, hat die Polizei angerufen
Just pasting it so I can see the sentence.

[red pewter]

because of dessen, gestohlen haben. so we burned it and now just use normal order

yes?

[sudden panther]

I believe that we call that clause an Apposition. It just tells us exactly which man were talking about and doesn't affect the word order of anything after it, yeah!

[whole rapids]

what do you mean by "burned it"?

[red pewter]

awesome thanks

[sudden panther]

The dessen moved the verb of its clause, but that's it. It can't affect other clauses as well.

[red pewter]

uh, we changed the word order in the adjective clause so we don't change it a second time was what I meant

[hot cloak]

[whole rapids]

yeah

[sudden panther]

Horsie. Your tuuuurn.

[whole rapids]

think of the commas as a bubble which affects nothing outside of it

[red pewter]

okay :33

[sudden panther]

When's your exam, fox?

[whole rapids]

well, except if the last word is a verb maybe

but don't worry about that

[hot cloak]

in December writing reading listening and in January speaking

[cold vessel]

No reading?

[sudden panther]

So the takeaway is
Wenn, du, setzen, Kommas, jederwo, du, kannst, sprechen, Deutsch, wie, Englisch.

[quasi merlin]

What is jederwo?

[cold vessel]

What test is it? B2? C1?

[twilit garden]

"jederwo" is a word that we should start using

[sudden panther]

Everywhere. Duh.

[red pewter]

i'm assuming from the tone this isn't a real word?

[sudden panther]

Not at all. Please don't use it. 😅

[hot cloak]

@cold vessel DSD II, I hope I'll get C1

[sudden panther]

Go with überall instead.

Oooh. Blue fox. 😮

[twilit garden]

"jedewo" if the universe is female and "jedeswo" if it is neuter

[pine ginkgo]

pls no

[sudden panther]

Horsie, where's our sentence.

[whole rapids]

I was distracted by my girlfiend

okay, more cases

[hot cloak]

oieeee

[sudden panther]

Or if you don't know the case at all, just use it in plural.

[whole rapids]

Due to the weather, the man could not give the elephant the peanut.

all the cases

[sudden panther]

We should get rid of singular altogether and just use one of the cats.

[ocean robin]

I am back.

[sudden panther]

Just in time.

[whole rapids]

okay good, translate this flaps:

Due to the weather, the man could not give the elephant the peanut.

[hot cloak]

@sudden panther you are genious.

[sudden panther]

Why thank you. 😄

[hot cloak]

"We should get rid of singular altogether and just use one of the cats." cause of this 👏

[ocean robin]

Wegen des Wetter, der Mann könnte nicht dem Elefant die Erdnuss geben.
:v

[pine ginkgo]

no

[cold vessel]

Genitive prepositions 🤢

[ocean robin]

_>

[sudden panther]

Word order when a Nebensatz comes first Flops?

[ocean robin]

V1?

[sudden panther]

Don't ask. Do.

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

Also Solet just lost his bet again.

[ocean robin]

Wegen des Wetter, könnte der Mann nicht dem Elefant die Erdnuss geben.

Dat niiiiiicht.

[cold vessel]

Shouldn't it be "Wegen des Wetters"? 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

woa henbri

spoiling everything

[ocean robin]

oh goddamit

[pine ginkgo]

also arrem

[cold vessel]

Sowi

[pine ginkgo]

i like how you said nebensatz

[ocean robin]

genitive and nicht arc at the same time

[pine ginkgo]

and for some reason

[viscid cape]

Ellow

[ocean robin]

how a nightmare

[pine ginkgo]

floppsi could work with that

even though it shouldn't affect anything

[ocean robin]

Hey Krypti.

[hot cloak]

[red pewter]

Wegen das Wetter, der Mann konnte nicht dem Elefant die Erdnuss geben.

[hot cloak]

no

[ocean robin]

^what I excatly wrote

no

[quasi merlin]

WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT WITH THESE STOOPID COMMAS

[pine ginkgo]

i don't know mikah

i tell them

all the time

[ocean robin]

IDK MIKAH

[pine ginkgo]

and they ignore me

and i want to ban them all

[hot cloak]

😝

[ocean robin]

WAIT

OH I GET IT

[red pewter]

I thought the more commas the better T_T

[hot cloak]

it's not a nebensatz come on

[pine ginkgo]

no

[ocean robin]

LOL WHAT

[whole rapids]

cbell and Flappers

[pine ginkgo]

i blame arrem

[whole rapids]

think of English comma usage

think hard

[ocean robin]

Wegen des Wetters konnte der Mann nicht dem Elefant die Erdnuss geben.

[whole rapids]

now delete it

[ocean robin]

[hot cloak]

no

[pine ginkgo]

man flaps

[quasi merlin]

nicht-placement, Flopps.

[pine ginkgo]

how can you forget the nicht lecturea

[ocean robin]

i see natives saying "ayyyy wtf flaps"

[pine ginkgo]

after only one night

x.x

[ocean robin]

b-but

[hot cloak]

😝 😝 😝 😝

[sudden panther]

Oh yes, the comma thew me off. Apologies for the Nebensatz.

[ocean robin]

First I have no idea what tou negate here

[pine ginkgo]

ROFL ARREM

I THOUGHT
YOU SAW THAT

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

AND FUCKED WITH FLAPS

[quasi merlin]

Wegen des Wetters konnte der Mann nicht dem Elefant die Erdnuss geben, sondern ...?

[pine ginkgo]

AND THAT'S WHY I DELETED MY SENTENCE

[red pewter]

Wegen des Wetters der Mann konnte nicht dem Elefant die Erdnuss geben.

[pine ginkgo]

the one day i trust arrem

[ocean robin]

maybe

[hot cloak]

@red pewter nicht placement

[pine ginkgo]

he is fokken shit :(

[ocean robin]

Ah ah ahhhh.

[hot cloak]

😅

[ocean robin]

It's because of the weather that we cannot?

[viscid cape]

Ban Arrem.

[ocean robin]

I WANT TO PUT IT AT THE END

[sudden panther]

Well I did push her into the right direction. 😛

[pine ginkgo]

bell

[red pewter]

dem Elefant die Erdnuss nicht geben?

[pine ginkgo]

your verb placement is wrong

think about it

[quasi merlin]

Bella, you need the verb in 2nd position.

[red pewter]

because of the because of?

[sudden panther]

Aye.

[hot oriole]

note that in the spoken language you wouldn't use the genitive. i'd say wegen dem wetter

[quasi merlin]

Ye. "wegen des Wetters" occupies position 1

[whole rapids]

VERB IMMER ZWEITE STELLE

[sudden panther]

IMMER?

[ocean robin]

Wegen des Wetters konnte der Mann dem Elefant die Erdnuss nicht geben.
How to kill flops -> give her nicht and Gen at the same time

[whole rapids]

or so I was taught

[hot cloak]

verb is almost always on the second position

[whole rapids]

nicht immer immer

[viscid cape]

Nice Floppo

[ocean robin]

[hot cloak]

nicht immer ya

[viscid cape]

Floppo did you translate Patrick's sentence yet

[ocean robin]

NOPE

[red pewter]

Wegen des Wetters der Mann konnte dem Elefant die Erdnuss nicht geben.

[hot cloak]

nope

[lavish saddle]

verb 🤔

[whole rapids]

you need to move the verb

[hot cloak]

verb on the second position

[whole rapids]

flaps, yours is almost right

[red pewter]

what's that mean T_T

[hot cloak]

it's a normal sentence

[whole rapids]

I threw in a trick

[ocean robin]

nuuuuuuh

[whole rapids]

a nasty trick

[red pewter]

OH

I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS

hoffentlich sehen wir uns

[ocean robin]

you nasty Pferd

[red pewter]

like that?

[hot cloak]

yep

[red pewter]

that's the second position?

[hot cloak]

like that

[red pewter]

okay okay i understand

[hot cloak]

yep

[whole rapids]

do you remember weak masculine nouns?

[ocean robin]

AHHHH

screams

[hot cloak]

n declination must burn in the hell

[whole rapids]

trolled

[hot cloak]

hate this shit

[red pewter]

Wegen des Wetters konnte der Mann dem Elefant die Erdnuss nicht geben.

which noun is weak T_T

[hot cloak]

almost 🐮

[ocean robin]

🤔

[whole rapids]

are men weak?

[ocean robin]

maybe

[quasi merlin]

The masculine noun ending in -ant is weak.

[ocean robin]

that depends

LOL

[sudden panther]

The men and the fox have voted. You're banned Flopps.

[red pewter]

Wegen des Wetters konnte der Mann dem Elefanten die Erdnuss nicht geben.

[hot cloak]

[whole rapids]

that moment when you realise you do know

[hot cloak]

do you see who votes

[whole rapids]

yes

[hot cloak]

god damn

[red pewter]

is getting a memerkle a good thing or a bad thing I can't tell

[viscid cape]

Wow

[whole rapids]

anyway, good job girlchans

[ocean robin]

Elefantn

[viscid cape]

Of course it is :v She approves of you

[sudden panther]

Look at foxie wanting to secretly ban Flops.

[pine ginkgo]

we all want to ban flops

[ocean robin]

[hot cloak]

aahahaha

[sudden panther]

Is this a "there can only be one" thing? 🤔

[hot cloak]

I press every button I can actually

[ocean robin]

🤔

[hot cloak]

😝

[sudden panther]

Alright. Now. Continue. And use less commas dammit.

@hot cloak worked his ass off to get me to stop overusing commas. ❤

[hot cloak]

:^)

[whole rapids]

Wegen des Wetters konnte der Mann dem Elefanten keine Erdnuss geben.

By the way, my brain thinks this would be fine too, would it?

[viscid cape]

Arrem aren't you a native? 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

no

[ocean robin]

:thinking:

[hot cloak]

Yeah that works

[pine ginkgo]

arrem is a meme

[sudden panther]

Can confirm. Am a meme.

[viscid cape]

Ohh right, from Memeland

[whole rapids]

@viscid cape must now give a sentence.

[viscid cape]

I've given mine, she won't translate it

[whole rapids]

Give it to me instead.

[hot cloak]

arrem is native speaker of memelanguage

[whole rapids]

I will alter it.

[viscid cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU0z8y1N36Q

[sudden panther]

Dammit Floppo. Translate Horsie's thing.

[whole rapids]

nicht meins

[sudden panther]

Krypti's thing* actually

[red pewter]

we have another?

repost :?

[whole rapids]

repost eh

let me consult my list

[cold vessel]

Are you sure you're B, arrem?

[whole rapids]

"Johnny, tell your father that I say, 'Stop working on your silly projects so often, and come in and help me!'"

[sudden panther]

Mostly.

We did that one.

[viscid cape]

He's the fakest B ever

[hot cloak]

what is B?

[whole rapids]

she asked for repost

[ivory jolt]

hi I'm back from shower

[viscid cape]

I'd be embarassed to move to C with him around

[sudden panther]

Level B1/2

[hot cloak]

ah

[whole rapids]

Arrem is just very dedicated to his memecraft

[pine ginkgo]

krypti

[sudden panther]

I mean, I don't want to move to C until I feel 90% fluent. Because that's what it should be like in my eyes.

[pine ginkgo]

as long as you get c

before flaps

it's alright

[viscid cape]

Agreed @sudden panther

[quasi merlin]

still doesn't know where Arrem lacks fluency

[pine ginkgo]

his funny accent

runs

[viscid cape]

Let him be a bescheidener Meme

[hot cloak]

arrem where are you from?

not from Memienna?

[whole rapids]

Richard Dawkins's mind

[sudden panther]

Here and there.
Also ban Soletmeme.

[pine ginkgo]

i just gave you help

where you could improve

rood

[ivory jolt]

ive never seen Arrem in voice

[quasi merlin]

He was in voice yesterday, lol.

[sudden panther]

I'm a Memeinennian at heart. But I come from Bosnia.

[ivory jolt]

wow..

[viscid cape]

Is bosnian hard

[whole rapids]

anyway, @red pewter and @ocean robin, how about this: "He helped us with the problem despite his injury."

[viscid cape]

:v

[hot cloak]

cool

[sudden panther]

Can confirm. Though I didn't do that much talking.

[red pewter]

oh thank god

I wasn't doing well on the other

[viscid cape]

He's a bosniak (sounds like a race from star trek)

😄

[hot cloak]

ahahahahhaa

[ivory jolt]

pferd keeps giving B level sentences

[whole rapids]

can finish that if you want 🙃

[hot cloak]

😝 😝 😝

[whole rapids]

I'll just tell you what preposition to use with "helfen": bei

[sudden panther]

Of course he is. A level speakers can't benefit from A level sentences.

You have to push them and make them cry.

[whole rapids]

yes, exactly

[pine ginkgo]

A level speakers can't benefit from A level sentences, given that they can actually do A level sentences

:P

[hot cloak]

ihr schafft das 🙌

[ocean robin]

Er half uns mit der Probleme trotz seine Verletzung.

[red pewter]

Troze seine Verletzung er hat uns geholfen bei dem Problem

[ocean robin]

🤔

[whole rapids]

cbell, verb!!!!!!!!!

[ocean robin]

lel what

[cold vessel]

Proceeds to ignore the hint 😂

[pine ginkgo]

no

[hot cloak]

beide haben den gleichen Fehler gemacht

[pine ginkgo]

yep

nobody

[ocean robin]

[quasi merlin]

@ocean robin

[pine ginkgo]

ever looks up stuff

:(

[ocean robin]

WHAT

[sudden panther]

Why look stuff up when you can flop it up.

[pine ginkgo]

can we ban flops

[red pewter]

Troze seine Verletzung hat er uns geholfen bei dem Problem

[ocean robin]

I DIDN'T SEE THAT

[sudden panther]

Yes.

[ocean robin]

GOD

[sudden panther]

Also don't tell her the answer when you get to that part. Make her look it up.

[pine ginkgo]

haha

flops looking upt stuff

ehehe

[ocean robin]

Er half uns bei der Probleme trotz seine Verletzung.

;_;

[sudden panther]

It'll do her good. Like at least open wiktionary and see some example sentences.

[cold vessel]

flappy, can you please look up the case of trotz

[whole rapids]

better cbell, but then there's also what you do with the past participle in German

[ivory jolt]

well Flapness, the noun is das Problem

[ocean robin]

GOD.

[red pewter]

@Pferd cry?

[ocean robin]

I MIXED THE GENDER AND THE CASE

I LOVE IT

[whole rapids]

that's an option as well

[red pewter]

Troze seine Verletzung hat er uns bei dem Problem geholfen

[whole rapids]

remember that in German that they like to keep you on edge so you have to wait until the end of sentence until something happens

[pine ginkgo]

oh, pferd likes edgy play

[quasi merlin]

"trotz" takes genitive here

[hot cloak]

and genitive now, @red pewter

[ocean robin]

Er half uns bei dem Probleme trotz seines Verletzung.

[red pewter]

okay

[sudden panther]

Dammit Mika.

[ocean robin]

And Problemen?

🤔

[quasi merlin]

Fläppers

[ivory jolt]

Flappchen

[pine ginkgo]

seines Verletzung

[quasi merlin]

Look at "Verletzung"

[pine ginkgo]

rofl

[quasi merlin]

WAIT

[sudden panther]

Literally said not to give the answer out.

[ocean robin]

jesus

[quasi merlin]

Fläppers.

[red pewter]

Troze seiner Verletzung hat er uns bei dem Problem geholfen

[ocean robin]

it's die

[pine ginkgo]

cbell better than flaps

[quasi merlin]

Look at the end of "Verletzung"

[pine ginkgo]

confirmed

[ocean robin]

facepalms slowly

[pine ginkgo]

but only slightly

[red pewter]

D:

[ivory jolt]

Flappchen, Das Problem, ich habe gesagt

[pine ginkgo]

habe ich

[sudden panther]

Bell your first word doesn't exist.

[ocean robin]

i can't anymore of that genitive

YEAH SURE

[whole rapids]

well, you can use dative as well apparently but I only know it as genitive

[ocean robin]

BUT BEI + DATIVE

[whole rapids]

not that one

the other one

[ocean robin]

WHAT

[ivory jolt]

lunaa thats my style of typing

[viscid cape]

Don't let genitive die.

[red pewter]

Trotz seiner Verletzung hat er uns bei dem Problem geholfen

[ocean robin]

I want to cry

That genitive is just killing me

[pine ginkgo]

nico

that would still be

habe ich

[quasi merlin]

How can a case kill you?

[red pewter]

Thanks why I put that phrase back at the front where I felt comfortable with it, flaps ❤

[ocean robin]

Er half uns bei dem Problem trotz seiner Verletzung.
ugh uggggh

[sudden panther]

Bell thinks!

[pine ginkgo]

yep!

i like people who think!

[ocean robin]

Flops doesn't!

[cold vessel]

The genitive can't kill us, but we can kill the genitive 😀

[ocean robin]

Anyway, I want to cry because of nicht and genitive.

[hot oriole]

That genitive is just killing me

Come to Austria or Southern Germany. We hate it too. 😄

[whole rapids]

so you want more of both?

[ocean robin]

If I wasn't persistent I think I would have given up already.

NO NOOOO

[quasi merlin]

Don't worry, Fläppers. There are things worse than "nicht" and genitive.

[sudden panther]

Yes. Much much worse.

[ocean robin]

WHAT

[red pewter]

D:

[ocean robin]

THAT CAN'T EXIST

[red pewter]

i don't want to hear about really bad things yet

[ocean robin]

^

[whole rapids]

are you both eager for more?

[red pewter]

yes!

[sudden panther]

Yes!

[ocean robin]

YES

[whole rapids]

then allow me to pass over to the one and only Arrem

[ocean robin]

but don't kill me

[sudden panther]

Wow Flops I even answer faster than you.

[ocean robin]

UGH

PLEASE

[sudden panther]

Aaaaaa. Why me.

[ocean robin]

Why not Solet.

[cold vessel]

That WOULD kill you

[ocean robin]

YEAH

[whole rapids]

Solet is hard mode

do you want hard mode?

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

i don't want to

[ocean robin]

LOL

okay then

Who has a sentence?

[sudden panther]

You.

[ocean robin]

🤔

No I don't.

[sudden panther]

Give us a sentence containing: accusative and dative, a preposition, two adjectives and a relative pronoun.

[red pewter]

okay

[ocean robin]

-> How to kill me in 5 secs- tutorial

[whole rapids]

use a new verb as well

[red pewter]

I gave the yellow notebook that I bought yesterday to the young child in the park

[whole rapids]

good, now translate it

[red pewter]

RIP

[ocean robin]

In German you meme.

[sudden panther]

In Germaaaan.

[whole rapids]

that's your sentence now, both of you

[ocean robin]

Damn.

[red pewter]

I'm sorry flaps 😦

[sudden panther]

No. Let Flops make her own.

[ocean robin]

Ich gab das gelbe Notizbuch, das gestern dem jungen Kind im Park gekauft habe.

yay too late

[ivory jolt]

something sounds off

[ocean robin]

last clause is weird as fok

[red pewter]

Ich hat das gelbe Notizbuch dass hat ich gestern gekauft dem jungen Kind im park gegeben

[ocean robin]

Where are dear natives?

[sudden panther]

Hm. Let's check our conjugations.

[ocean robin]

Oh forgot "yellow notebook" 🤦

And I must change another thingy

[sudden panther]

Flops flopped up big time again.

[ocean robin]

There.

[whole rapids]

you're not a hat, cbell

[ocean robin]

🤔

What is that supposed to mean?

[proven eagle]

uhhh one question what article do you use to state a plural form in indefinite form?

[red pewter]

I didn't say I was a hat...at least not on purpose T_T

[ocean robin]

Viel?

[whole rapids]

Ich hat

[ocean robin]

AH

[pine ginkgo]

wtf flops lol

[ocean robin]

[pine ginkgo]

cbell better than flops confirmed 100%

[proven eagle]

Does german have like "des voitures" or is it just "Autos"

[ocean robin]

[sudden panther]

Flops your sentence roughly means I gave the noebook that I bought for the kid in the park. But with bad grammar. 😛

[ocean robin]

WTF

[red pewter]

@Pferd was for the gegegen at the end :/ I'm sorry

[sudden panther]

See what bell did and check if you can figure it out.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[ivory jolt]

sometimes flapness makes flawless sentences, but there are times where she also goes full derp mode

[ocean robin]

damn I feel dwarfed and it feels bad

[whole rapids]

@red pewter That's not the problem. What is the conjugation of haben for the first person singular?

[pine ginkgo]

can we activate our flops bot and take bell?

[red pewter]

I just figured it out

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch dass hat ich gestern gekauft dem jungen Kind im park gegeben

[whole rapids]

okay better

it's not dass here however, but what else?

[ocean robin]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch gegeben, das ich gestern dem jungen Kind im Park gekaut habe.

🤔

[red pewter]

uh

[quasi merlin]

Stop chewing on notebooks, Fläppers.

[red pewter]

welche?

[ocean robin]

Am I still on derp mode?

[whole rapids]

well, you could use a form of welch- but I believe that is a more literature German thing

[sudden panther]

Yes.

[quasi merlin]

Fläppers, you said: "I gave the yellow notebook, that I chewed for the boy in the park yesterday."

[red pewter]

uh. die? i think i saw flaps use it earlier for that

[ocean robin]

JESUS WHAT.

[whole rapids]

what gender is the notebook?

[ocean robin]

okay I am still on derp mode

[red pewter]

das

[pine ginkgo]

yes

[ocean robin]

Let me find the past participle for geben

which I thought I knew it already

[whole rapids]

so, what article would the relative pronoun be?

[sudden panther]

The geben is fine.

[red pewter]

c: das

[whole rapids]

yay

now fix

[ocean robin]

what the hell did I say

I am soooo confused

[red pewter]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch das hat ich gestern gekauft dem jungen Kind im park gegeben

[quasi merlin]

Sorry, I typo'd

[ocean robin]

Gekaut dat typo

[whole rapids]

okay good

[ocean robin]

I caaaaaaan't

[red pewter]

❤

[whole rapids]

you're not done

l0l

[sudden panther]

Bell, commas might help you fix your mistakes.

[whole rapids]

in German, when a new clause is introduced, they like to indicate it with a comma

[ocean robin]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch gegeben, das ich gestern dem jungen Kind im Park gekauft habe.

[sudden panther]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch, dass hat ich gestern gekauft, dem jungen Kind im park gegeben.

[red pewter]

okay that's a 10/10 tip there

[whole rapids]

and they like to also end the clause with a comma

like in English actually

[ocean robin]

please no typos like that again

[sudden panther]

Something should seem off about that.

[ocean robin]

i swear i was hurt

[red pewter]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch, das hat ich gestern gekauft, dem jungen Kind im park gegeben

[placid heath]

German = Commas and capital letters everywhere CoN,FiR,MeD

[ocean robin]

[whole rapids]

okay good, but when you use a relative pronoun a new type of sentence appears

[quasi merlin]

"I gave the yellow notebook, that I bought for the boy in the park yesterday."

Fläppers, are you sure? That's what you said.

[sudden panther]

Correct. Das instead of dass. And what happens to the word order?

[ocean robin]

What.

🤔

[quasi merlin]

That's what you just said, Flops.

[red pewter]

it changes!

[whole rapids]

called the Nebensätze

[ocean robin]

Whaaaaat was original sentnece.

[whole rapids]

what happens to verbs in such sentences?

[pine ginkgo]

goldfish memory

[ocean robin]

yay it's not boy first

But child!

ahhaha whai

[pine ginkgo]

bell

what is the subject in the relative clause

[ocean robin]

I gave the yellow notebook that I bought yesterday to the young child in the park.

🤔

[red pewter]

you mix them up

[ocean robin]

And me who was thinking that Dat was already implying the "zu"

[red pewter]

but i'm not sure how to mix

[whole rapids]

you don't mix

[pine ginkgo]

mix them up?

[whole rapids]

you get a disdain for the conjugated verb

you hate it

you push it away as much as you can

[red pewter]

Das ich habe (??) gelbe Notizbuch, das hat ich gestern gekauft, dem jungen Kind im park gegeben

[whole rapids]

(except in one instance that we will ignore)

[ocean robin]

🤔

Wat Bell.

[red pewter]

I don't even know

[pine ginkgo]

wat

[whole rapids]

okay, let's go back to this:

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch, das hat ich gestern gekauft, dem jungen Kind im park gegeben

[red pewter]

yeah

[pine ginkgo]

identify the subject in the relative clause

[ocean robin]

Das in this case is not subordinating. It's the gender. 🤔

[whole rapids]

we are concentrating on this part:

, das hat ich gestern gekauft,

[red pewter]

meeeee

[whole rapids]

remember, you are not a hat

[ocean robin]

AH AH AHHHH.

[red pewter]

...............

[ocean robin]

I think I see my mistake now.

[red pewter]

again!

[ocean robin]

;_;

[whole rapids]

also remember that you hate the conjugated verb and you want it as far away as possible

so you push it somewhere

[red pewter]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch, das habe ich gestern gekauft, dem jungen Kind im park gegeben

[pine ginkgo]

is that how you learned, pferdlein? :D

[red pewter]

can i push it out of commas?

[pine ginkgo]

no

[whole rapids]

no, the commas are its prison

[red pewter]

das ich habe gestern gekauft

[whole rapids]

I learnt in a similar way

no cbell

[red pewter]

das ich gestern habe gekauft

[pine ginkgo]

bell

what is the conjugated verb

[whole rapids]

you are ich

[ocean robin]

I feel like... I know my mistake but have no idea how to correct it.

[sudden panther]

Das is still kinda subordinating.

[red pewter]

i'm not getting it i'm so sorry

[pine ginkgo]

in the relative clause

just answer

what is the conjugated verb

in the relative clause

[whole rapids]

don't feel bad about it

[red pewter]

bought

[sudden panther]

There's one position that you haven't tried out bell, haha.

[pine ginkgo]

in the german sentence

[red pewter]

habe

[pine ginkgo]

yes

now pferd said

the conjugated verb gets pushed to the end of the clause

try that

or in his words

you want it as far as possible away from you

[red pewter]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch, das ich gestern gekauft habe, dem jungen Kind im park gegeben

[pine ginkgo]

now

what kind of word is park

sorry pferd if i took over

:x

[whole rapids]

no worries, continue

[red pewter]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch, das ich gestern gekauft habe, dem jungen Kind im Park gegeben

[pine ginkgo]

alright

[red pewter]

YAAY

I'm saving this

[pine ginkgo]

i like you bell

you don't destroy my sanity

[red pewter]

i like you too ❤ thank you so much for helping me!

[sudden panther]

Now make sure Floppo understands that.

[pine ginkgo]

eh

i am

suddenly busy now

oh

[sudden panther]

Pferd. You take over.

[whole rapids]

where is she at?

[lunar urchin]

Ja, da steht noch ein Pferd auf'm Flur

[ocean robin]

I almost wanted to give up on that one. :/

[pine ginkgo]

na, mauz

[red pewter]

you can do it ❤

[ocean robin]

I don't know... I almost feel bad about it 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

the original sentence had the the child in the park

[whole rapids]

well, I would say you should flip the order of the accusative and dative objects in the sentence but dunno how important that is

what do you currently have, @ocean robin ?

[red pewter]

I gave the yellow notebook that I bought yesterday to the young child in the park

a reminder

[ocean robin]

Ich habe das gelbe Notizbuch gegeben, das ich gestern dem jungen Kind im Park gekauft habe. there, seems like I misunderstood a lot of things here

[whole rapids]

if we rephrase it the sentence, might make it easier.

I gave the young child the yellow notebook, which I bought yesterday.

[ocean robin]

Ah ah ahhhh.

Ich habe dem jungen Kind das gelbe Notizbuch gegeben, das ich gestern gekauft habe.

[whole rapids]

looks good to me

maybe the English confused you

well, I forgot the park part

[red pewter]

Yeah I didn't exactly make the most comfortable sentence and I apologize

[whole rapids]

your sentence is more natural when including the location

[ocean robin]

I think the English made me confused.

A lot.

[whole rapids]

I think mine might sound odd when including the location

I gave the young child in the park the yellow notebook, which I bought yesterday.

Actually, that sounds fine.

want more?

or tuckered out?

[red pewter]

I could keep going, but I understand if I hurt flaps D:

[whole rapids]

Flaps deserves it, don't worry.

[red pewter]

😦

[whole rapids]

Okay, let's try inverse your mind

[ocean robin]

It's okay, you didn't hurt me. It's just that I have a very perfectionist personality and that sometimes I can blame myself for hours :/

[red pewter]

flaps nooo!

we are in this together!

I struggled too!

[pine ginkgo]

you can have flaps make a sentence now

and you both try it

ehehehe

[red pewter]

flaps can get back at me :33

[whole rapids]

Before we go into the cinema, I want to meet your friends.

[minor heart]

👀

I like lurking this game

[whole rapids]

actually yeah

flaps make sentence instead

[red pewter]

I just learned the word for cinema!

[minor heart]

Kino

[red pewter]

yes!

[minor heart]

Richtig?

Der oder die?

[red pewter]

das

[minor heart]

Ich vergaß

Danke

[hot cloak]

@minor heart es ist besser "ich habe vergessen" zu sagen

[minor heart]

Warum?

[hot cloak]

"ich vergaß" schreibt man in Bücher

[pine ginkgo]

eh

nicht unbedingt

[hot cloak]

also benutzt man das Präteritum nicht so oft in der Umgangssprache

[pine ginkgo]

ja

heißt nicht, dass es falsch ist

[hot cloak]

stilistisch inkorrekt oder so

[pine ginkgo]

nein

[ocean robin]

Vorher wir gehen ins Kino, ich will deine Freunde treffen.
hoping there's no silly mistakes

[pine ginkgo]

there are

[ocean robin]

DAMMIT

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

think about the rules for the verb positions again

flaps

[hot cloak]

😆

[stark drift]

THINK

[minor heart]

flüps

[ocean robin]

don't tell me vorher is postion 1 D:

;_;

[pine ginkgo]

i don't know

[ocean robin]

that's great

[minor heart]

oh oh oh

[ocean robin]

it helps

[stark drift]

THINK HARDER

[minor heart]

I think I know!

[pine ginkgo]

you can find out yourself

[whole rapids]

don't say the answer

just give hints

[minor heart]

I won't

[hot cloak]

write it then, Dakkai!

[ocean robin]

Things like heute etc are position 1

So vorher should be as well

[hot cloak]

are you A too? @minor heart

[whole rapids]

forget the words Flaps

[ocean robin]

nope, I am D2

[whole rapids]

what kind of sentence do you have before the comma?

[ocean robin]

🤔

What is that even supposed to mean?

[red pewter]

Zuvor gehen wir ins Kino, ich würde deine Freunde kennen.

[whole rapids]

okay

if I wrote

[hot cloak]

cbell, nope

Before we go into the cinema, I want to meet your friends.

[ocean robin]

Bell's looks better than mine tough :<

[red pewter]

i think the second part is a problem.

[whole rapids]

I want to meet your friends, before we go into the cinema.

Could you recognise what is the main sentence and what is the "subordinate clause"?

[red pewter]

yes

[ocean robin]

tf there is a subordinate clause

And yes.

[red pewter]

the sub is the first part of the original. main is the "I want to meet your friends"

[hot cloak]

yep

[whole rapids]

would this sentence make sense:

Before we go into the cinema.

yeah

[hot cloak]

Kennen passt nicht.

[whole rapids]

subordinate clauses are reliant on their boss, the main sentence

and another name for subordinate clause is Nebensatz

[ocean robin]

Vorher gehen wir ins Kino, ich will deine Freunde treffen.

[whole rapids]

cbell, do you remember what happens to the conjugated verb in a Nebensatz?

[ocean robin]

Vorher is subordinating?!

[red pewter]

push it somewhere else!

[whole rapids]

ignore vorher for now

[ocean robin]

ah

[whole rapids]

and where is this somewhere else?

[red pewter]

to the end 😃

[whole rapids]

the end of what?

[hot cloak]

👏

you're close

[red pewter]

end of its comma prison

[whole rapids]

good

now both of you rewrite the sentence with this knowledge

[ocean robin]

I can't see the subordinating you're talking about ;_;

[whole rapids]

"before" is a subordinating conjunction

[ocean robin]

where the hell it is

jesus

[red pewter]

Zuvor wir ins Kino gehen, ich würde deine Freunde kennen.

that's still not right though

i don't like it

[ocean robin]

Vorher wir ins Kino gehen, ich will deine Freunde treffen.

[whole rapids]

indeed not

okay, we have pushed the evil verb away

[hot cloak]

@red pewter "kennen" passt nicht

[whole rapids]

now can you both tell me why you chose zuvor and vorher?

[ocean robin]

Vorher was the word I learnt for before

[whole rapids]

if I told you that "before" is a conjunction, what would you do then?

[hot cloak]

I know your friends = ich kenne deine Freunden

[red pewter]

I didn't have a word that I knew so I chose one that was the wrong one and I chose an adverb and not a conjunction

[whole rapids]

okay, then find a conjunction

it's pretty similar to the English word

[red pewter]

Bevor wir ins Kino gehen, ich würde deine Freunde kennen.

[ocean robin]

faceplams slowly

[whole rapids]

okay, now flaps

[ocean robin]

Bevor wir ins Kino gehen, ich will deine Freunde treffen.

[whole rapids]

okay, good

[hot cloak]

Zuvor and vorher are adverbs and basically synonyms. Zuvor may sound a bit stilted sometimes, vorher is generally the better choice.

"Es passierte drei Wochen zuvor/vorher" - "It happened three weeks before" (another event from the context).

Bevor is a conjunction introducing a temporal subclause. "Wir müssen viel vorbereiten, bevor wir abreisen" - "We have a lot to prepare before we depart"

[red pewter]

Bevor wir ins Kino gehen, ich würde gern deine Freunde kennen.

[whole rapids]

now, you might not know this, but remember how the conjugated verb in the main setence demands to be in the second position?

[ocean robin]

🤔

[cold vessel]

Flappy should know it by now honestly

[ocean robin]

You are talking to whom?

[hot cloak]

kennenlernen then

[red pewter]

so we do it again?

[whole rapids]

if I told you that the subordinate clause occupies the first position in the main sentence, then where should the verb go?

[red pewter]

Bevor wir ins Kino gehen, würde ich gern deine Freunde kennen.

[ocean robin]

don't tell me it's [...] will ich deine Frenude treffen

[hot cloak]

indeed it is

[red pewter]

i need a new verb i don't' like mine anymore

[whole rapids]

it is indeed

just use Flaps's verb

[red pewter]

Bevor wir ins Kino gehen, will ich deine Freunde kennen.

[ocean robin]

Bevor wir ins Kino gehen, will ich deine Freunde treffen.

[hot cloak]

@red pewter NOT kennen

[red pewter]

i thought kennenlernen was for people D:

[whole rapids]

cbell, yours could work with kennenlernen which is like to "to get to know so. for the first time"

[hot cloak]

friends aren't people

[ocean robin]

The verb was to meet though.

[hot cloak]

I know

[red pewter]

steal her verb again then?