So we can do it at a time that isn't 3am for me.
#general-2
opal sequoia
Plus I guess it's going to be slightly more B level than the usual A level.
Since we're all B.
ancient spade
Hey, can I join in?
opal sequoia
You can read in advance if you want or not, your choice.
Yes, Macaco.
But we didn't choose a time yet I think.
And the text is Rumpelstiltskin from Grimms.
And if we finish it quickly, we can pick another at the time.
sudden panther
Spoiler: he gets memed over
opal sequoia
😄
shy bobcat
😄
shy bobcat
Arrememeskin
ancient spade
Sounds good
sudden panther
Ach wie gut, dass niemand weiß, dass ich Rumpelmemer heiß'
uncut ember
On the 19th of June, 1941, Soviet explorers opened Tamerlane's tomb, the outside of which was inscribed with the words: Whomsoever opens my tomb will unleash a conqueror greater and less magnanimous than I.
a few days later, Operation Barbarossa opened the Eastern Front of World War II, the largest military engagement in human history.
A few years later, the Soviets buried Tamerlane's tomb with full Muslim rites, and a few weeks later, the Battle of Stalingrad ended
radiant sage
nah, the soviets has been pushing the german back sinces the battle of moscow, and that is even before stanlingrad's ended. the soviets had the final laugh. they annexed many lands after the war, that is integrated (partially or fully) into the ussr, installed pro-moscow regimes in many nations, which then becomes their satellite states.
sorry Mr. Tamerlane, communism is stronger than your curse
ocean robin
sudden panther
Alrighto Flops. For liddroly every noun you can find, identify the gender, the case and whether it's singular or plural.
2 - Das Kind spielt mit den Autos.
3 - Nach dem Essen trinken die Leute noch Kaffee.
4 - Die Katze heißt Kassandra.
5 - In der Garage steht das Auto.
6 - Um acht Uhr verlässt die Nachbarin das Haus.```Okay.
1- Der Mann (singular, nominative) / das Kino (singular, accusative since in + das = ins.)
2- Das Kind (singular, nominative) die Autos (plural, singular: das Auto, dative)
3- Das Essen (singular, dative) die Leute (plural, nominative)
4- Die Katze (singular, nominative).
5- Die Garage (singular; dative); das Auto (singular, nominative)
6- Die Nachbarin (singular, nominative) das Haus (singular, accusative)
I hope that there's not a bunch of mistakes like I usually do.
sudden panther
No that's pretty good. 👌 What about Kaffee and Uhr though? 😛
ocean robin
Oh forgot those. Let me put those.
pseudo trail
I made an attempt, may I share?
viscid cape
Sure why not
pseudo trail
1 - Der Mann geht ins Kino.
Mann – Maskulin, Nominativ, Singular
Kino - Neutrum, Akkusativ, Singular
2 - Das Kind spielt mit den Autos.
Kind – Neutrum, Nominativ, Singular
Autos – Neutrum, Dativ, Plural
3 - Nach dem Essen trinken die Leute noch Kaffee.
Essen – Maskulin, Dativ, Singular
Leute – Plural, Nominativ, Plural (kein Singular)
Kaffee – idk, idk, Singular
4 - Die Katze heißt Kassandra.
Katze – Feminin, Nominativ, Singular
5 - In der Garage steht das Auto.
Garage – Feminin, Dativ, Singular
Auto – Neutrum, Akkusativ, Singular
6 - Um acht Uhr verlässt die Nachbarin das Haus.
Uhr – idk, Nominativ, Plural?
Nachbarin – Feminin, Akkusativ, Singular
Haus – Neutrum, Genitiv?, Singular
Ok so I now see that in #5 I got confused by Auto
pseudo trail
Also idk what Nachbarin means
ocean robin
Der Kaffee (masculine; singular; accusative?) - die Uhr (singular; and I have no idea)
arctic helm
it's supposed to be a noun?
pseudo trail
yeah idk how to treat Uhr
arctic helm
isn't it ~hour~ o'clock?
ocean robin
^
viscid cape
it's o'clock
ocean robin
arrem confuzed us 
pseudo trail
I think it was purposeful
arctic helm
how would you define o'clock in English, though?
pseudo trail
of the clock
arctic helm
that's what I'm saying
viscid cape
a prepositional phrase
arctic helm
is it of the clock?
pseudo trail
yep
pseudo trail
viscid cape
I don't get the picture lol
pseudo trail
Haha it steals the first pic it can find
viscid cape
😂
ocean robin
TIL.
sudden panther
Eh. The Uhr isn't an object here, sure, it's a part of an adverbial phrase (I believe), but it's still a noun. Duden even defines the meaning bestimmte Stunde der Uhrzeit.
ocean robin
Aha. So die Uhr (singular, dative)
viscid cape
@pseudo trail All verbs converted into nouns are neuter. Also, check 5's and 6's subject. And think harder about the role of Haus.
pseudo trail
Auto is the subject, Nachbarin is also a subject, and Haus is a direct object
So like if a chunky averbial gets put in front, the verb goes after (verbs like being #2), and then you put the subject and the objects
sudden panther
As for the case, that's a bit weird to determine and not even google gave me any meaningful results about the case. Maybe accusative or something, but eh, it's a weird thing and we can leave it out and accept it as a fixed construct. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pseudo trail
give or take extreme over/underapplying
pseudo trail
gasp
sudden panther
Yes, verbs are always #2 in affirmative sentences. And then you place all the other stuff after it.
The way the last sentence is written puts a bit more emphasis on the time. You can rewrite it using the "standard" word order as well, of course.
arctic helm
And then you have Nebensatz....
quasi merlin
No.
sudden panther
Eh, she did her thing.
quasi merlin
Fläppers finished.
quasi merlin
Hi, Flops.
ocean robin
How are you?
quasi merlin
Hungry
sudden panther
Can you answer these Floppo? https://i.imgur.com/y9xAq9Q.png
ocean robin
Here Mika. 🍪
Which case do you use for the subject? Nominative.
Which case do you use for the direct object? Accusative.
Which case do you normally use for the indirect object? Dative
Which words ot parta of words change when you use the different cases? The article, and sometimes the end of the word as well you say Freunden and put a -n at plural nouns when they're dative. There's also the -es and -s in Genitive but let's not talk about that.
arctic helm
So Flaps
ocean robin
Yes?
arctic helm
My Sister and I are coming to Paris next year
ocean robin
arctic helm
how fast can I learn French?
lol
I'm studying Spanish to reach A2 to boot starting next week as well 😦
ocean robin
Next year? Eh, you will get A2 I think, B1 in French is reallly hard.
viscid cape
"There's also the -es and -s in Genitive but let's not talk about that." Brilliant 😂
ocean robin
Since it has a lot of words which sound exactly the same and they don't have the same spelling.
viscid cape
Flappors does every noun in Genitive receive -es/-s?
ocean robin
Nope.
viscid cape
Why not?
ocean robin
Because reasons.
arctic helm
urgh, I wonder what I should do to increase my proficiency in Spanish and also French at the same time, while also maintaining but also still improving my German....
quasi merlin
Do you know what weak nouns do?
viscid cape
Arrem will eat your liver
ocean robin
sudden panther
Yeah, let's say exactly when we add these additional endings instead of just saying "sometimes".
When do we add -n for dative?
quasi merlin
Yup.
ocean robin
Yaaay.
sudden panther
Goodies. And the -(e)s?
ocean robin
Uuuuh. I didn't learn any. 🤷
sudden panther
What's the dative plural of Handy?
rigid crest
Handysn
rigid crest
^^
sudden panther
Yes. If it already ends with -s or -n, you don't add an extra n.
ocean robin
Yeah okay.
sudden panther
As for genitive there are "no" exceptions. There are actually two major exceptions: substantivized adjectives and a thing called weak masculine nouns that doesn't quite follow the normal rules of declension but we'll get to those a bit later.
rigid crest
Ich habe eine Frage zu
weird annoying german grammar
What is with world order when you have double infinitves + haben?!?
rigid crest
I'm talking about instances where haben would normally be put at the very end of the sentence, but goes in the normal #2 spot instead
viscid cape
In subordinate clauses 'haben' stands before the double infinitive
rigid crest
It happens with Konj II espe
viscid cape
Same goes for sein.
ocean robin
Look look I got a whole exercise righto.
rigid crest
Ich weiß ehrlich gesagt auch nicht, was ich hätte anders machen sollen oder wie ich anders hätte lernen können."
viscid cape
You do it to the auxiliary of the compound tense, whether it be 'haben' or 'sein'
But since you're using it with modals, it'll always be haben
I think
ocean robin
And why is the gesagt here too?
ocean robin
AH.
rigid crest
I might be explaining my confusion wrongly
viscid cape
What causes the double infinitive is the presence of the modal verb, and modal verbs always use haben as auxiliary
So in all of these cases it'll indeed be 'haben'
But I don't know if only modal verbs cause double infinitive.
viscid cape
Me neither, maybe there aren't 😄 So what he said is right
Let me think
Yeah, I think there aren't
sudden panther
It's not exclusive to haben, but it mostly happens with it. It can also happen with the werden for the future tense.
viscid cape
Yeah true, so it's important that you remember it's because it's an auxiliary verb, not because it's 'haben' in particular
Er hat gesagt, dass er es wird tun können müssen
Ops
Does that make sense 🤔
He'll have to be able to do it
ocean robin
Yeeeeah I don't follow.
viscid cape
Complete the table Flapporz.
arctic helm
You wanna say
sudden panther
Of course you don't, Floppo. We'll teach you that when you're 30.
viscid cape
Yes
ocean robin
Of course you don't, Floppo. We'll teach you that when you're 30.
WHEN I'LL BE 30 I'LL BE C?
sudden panther
When I'm 30*
ocean robin
arctic helm
instead of it being so complicated, I would probably make it like...
Er hat gesagt, dass er muss, es tun zu können
sudden panther
Maybe. Could be 50 if you take 1.5h for 9 words. Could be 29 if you continue working at this rate. 😛
ocean robin
viscid cape
I think that's not grammatically possible
viscid cape
What's that?
arctic helm
what makes this difficult is the amount of modalverbs and infinitive
modalersatz is a way to not use the modal verbs
so instead of müssen
we use es ist nötig,...
viscid cape
Hum
sudden panther
Eh, the zu is the part that's a bit off.
arctic helm
so how would you fix it, arrem?
I think no matter how it's grammatically corrected, I'd still be confused
ocean robin
look how beautiful I write on phone
arctic helm
the "to be able to" is what's confusing
if it's just
"He said, that he will have to do it"
pine ginkgo
schlafen waschen tragen 🤔
arctic helm
then it's
quasi merlin
Er hat gesagt, dass er es wird können müssen.
sudden panther
You could meme around it with a double modal dass er es können muss, but that still doesn't cover the future part of he said, that he will have to be able to do it. You could stick another werden in there for good measure.
ocean robin
i love my crosses gold, they look memey
sudden panther
^Another werden for good measure.
sudden panther
Nou, what Mika said.
ocean robin
Just forgot to say: does umlauts count in this exercise?
viscid cape
Very good @ocean robin , I want you to write the 2nd person of fahren and tragen and waschen though
arctic helm
the verb is supposed to be at the end, right?
viscid cape
2nd person singular
arctic helm
so why there?
ocean robin
yes saw dat mistake okay
sudden panther
That's the rule we were discussing earlier. Double infinitives are an exception to that.
arctic helm
hmmmm
sudden panther
There's a bit about it in Modern german grammar. Give me a sec.
arctic helm
can you make a formula out of this double infinitive?
so I can imagine it better in my head
pine ginkgo
of course
viscid cape
@ocean robin And waschen?
ocean robin
Du wäschst?
viscid cape
Yus
ocean robin
yipee
sudden panther
pine ginkgo
krypti, no answering the fake questions!
sudden panther
Section 8.6 if you want to check it out yourself.
viscid cape
@pine ginkgo Eeek sorry 
sudden panther
Modern German Grammar. It's in resources.
whole rapids
ew at the double infinitive clause thing
ocean robin
YEAH I KNEW IT WAS IN. AGH TYPOS.
whole rapids
it's simple enough to understand but defo going to forget that
arctic helm
the "double infinitives" will stay that way....
whole rapids
so it's lik double infinitives ALWAYS go at the end no matter what
sudden panther
Let's make it A2, just to be sure. 😛
sudden panther
Yeah, just stick the modal before the infinitives and you're good.
cold vessel
Hi
arctic helm
at the end?
cold vessel
What are we doing?
sudden panther
machen müssen
whole rapids
modal verb seems to always be after the infinitive
ocean robin
Awwww I am not A2 in Englishing. My weak point is just prepositions. 
sudden panther
Fine. A1 then.
viscid cape
@ocean robin Ready for more exercises
whole rapids
C1 in written English, A2 in spoken English
arctic helm
you're right Pferd
sudden panther
Anyway I have to flop ofd for a bit, so you lads just keep torturing Flops.
whole rapids
toodles
ocean robin
Wooooo Solet, I was planning to read some stuff in English today by the way.
quasi merlin
Actually, I'm gonna flop too.
ocean robin
Stay tuned. 
quasi merlin
I'll come back later.
ocean robin
See you, Arrem and Mika. 
viscid cape
😿
sudden panther
I should be back in 30m. Maybe an hour.
ocean robin
This is somewhat suspicious.
whole rapids
must buy Futter
viscid cape
They're going to gather and plot against you @ocean robin
sudden panther
We're all going to a German party. And you're not invited. 😮
whole rapids
Ich muss Futter kaufen.
ocean robin
😦
sudden panther
flutter
ocean robin
cries in corner
pine ginkgo
just do it flaps
sudden panther
^
ocean robin
Thinking about it
sudden panther
You can make one using ~7 words.
ocean robin
What.
ocean robin
Wooooo, Lilly!
snow trout
I think he's kidding us.
sudden panther
Not at all.
ocean robin
Yeah that turned into #flops_practice.
snow trout
Hello, @ocean robin! Best to you!
ocean robin
snow trout
Und los geht's...
sudden panther
Without any particles, adjectives and what not, you can pack all cases into 7 words.
ocean robin
snow trout
Wow.
snow trout
Are y'all taught this when young?
ocean robin
wow what, I need I dunno, 10 words or so to do that
sudden panther
^
pine ginkgo
less thinking about the length
snow trout
@ocean robin You can do it!
pine ginkgo
more doing it
ocean robin
And yet, I have no idea of how the sentence will be
sudden panther
The longer the better, in fact. 😛
ocean robin
Ah.
viscid cape
"Nominative, Accusative, Dative and Genitive are cool"
All cases in 7 words in English
Bite me
snow trout
Pfft.
pine ginkgo
nice spelling
ocean robin
cold vessel
@ocean robin Think of a verb that usually goes with both an indirect object and a direct object
ocean robin
cold vessel
Then think of how to incorporate the genitive afterwards
ocean robin
I have no idea of a verb which works like that...
cold vessel
Yes you do
ocean robin
Oooh, etw. jemandem. erzählen
lel typo
Mmmh, now I should put a genitive everywhere and then boom.
pine ginkgo
8 minutes left
snow trout
You got this.
ocean robin
"Das Mädchen der Mutter hat mir erzählt, dass sie eine Katze hat." 🤷
dat inspiration
cold vessel
I'm a simple man: Er gibt mir den Hund seiner Mutter
ocean robin
god
viscid cape
Very good, little fox
ocean robin
yay 🎉
ocean robin
👀
cold vessel
Feels like cheating to use the s genitive tbh
viscid cape
You can take some time to do this. Flopps Exercizor.
ocean robin
ocean robin
So one by one? Not that I do all of them and then I post it?
viscid cape
Maybe one at a time would be better, since if you have to stop inbetween you can do others later
cold vessel
Less frustrating for us then 😄
ocean robin
Yeah, okay
Then for "to get up" I wanted to use "aufwachen"even if it means "to wake up"; does it work?
cold vessel
I don't think so
ocean robin
Ah.
pine ginkgo
it's alright
cold vessel
@pine ginkgo Isn't there a separate verb for that?
viscid cape
I'd say 'aufwachen' means to wake up
It doesn't imply that you get up
If you want to be annoying
cold vessel
If you're like me and lay in bed forever after waking up it's an important distinction 😛
pine ginkgo
well, sure if you want a literal translation
but we don't really distinguish between both
that often
cold vessel
Isn't that the opposite of discipline? 🤔
viscid cape
No, they get up at the time they're supposed to
We just lie in bed for another half an hour
ocean robin
cold vessel
Oh, you meant solet
viscid cape
@ocean robin So what's your translation of 1
viscid cape
If you keep in mind the distinction, then sure
ocean robin
"Ich wache um 6 Uhr auf." hoping sentence is righto
viscid cape
Good, padawan
ocean robin
yaaaay
cold vessel
@pine ginkgo Would you not say "Ich stehe um 7 Uhr auf"?
pine ginkgo
i would say both
as i said, we don't really distinguish between both, except if you are trying to make a point
ocean robin
So i was thinking about anfangen 🤔
pine ginkgo
beginnen is okay
ocean robin
Ah, really?
viscid cape
Yes 😏
ocean robin
"Ich beginne meine Arbeit um 8 Uhr." and what is this word, my dear Krypti
viscid cape
The one you yourself suggested
viscid cape
Veri gudo
You can use anfangen with a preposition as well
How would it be like then
ocean robin
wot
cold vessel
I thought maybe it would be the same preposition as in Norwegian but looking at dict.cc I think I'm wrong 🤔
ocean robin
"Ich fange mit meiner Arbeit an"
viscid cape
And the time?
cold vessel
@viscid cape Well, prepositions are weird in any language. I actually think "mit" would work too, but usually we'd use "auf"
viscid cape
@cold vessel Yeah I'm just teasing :3
ocean robin
yayies righto
sudden panther
Backerooni.
ocean robin
Wooo Arrem.
sudden panther
Good news, over the last 2 years my eyesight hasn't gone to shit more than it already has. Bad news, my glasses are getting a bit memey and repairing them would be hard, so I'm getting new ones, wew.
Floppo, what does
"Das Mädchen der Mutter hat mir erzählt, dass sie eine Katze hat."
mean? 🤔
ocean robin
Wooo Arrem also has glasses. Don't worry my sight is also shiet. -8 at both eyes. Hopefully it got better and went to -6 now.
Well, Arrem, wanted to say actually that "The mother's girl tells me that she has a cat" and now I realize that I should have used Tochter, because it sounds a little bit off.
ocean robin
Yes. I thought that I -10 I would go blind.
And when I was at -8 I was 7/8. Good childhood.
cold vessel
Do you have like 3 cm thick glasses, flappy?
ocean robin
Don't think so
whole rapids
I have -8 as well
ocean robin
It looks like 1 cm though
whole rapids
feelsbad.jpg
hot cloak
I'm at 0, get hecked 
ocean robin
Or less, I don't know
sudden panther
1cm
memes
sudden panther
Flops. We need a pic of your glasses. Preferrably top-down so we can see the thickness. 😛
ocean robin
Sure thing waito.
sudden panther
Because 1cm is like. A fucking pickle jar.
ocean robin
I don't think it's 1 cm though eh. It's too much. 0,5 maybe?
viscid cape
Fancy french glasses
ocean robin
sudden panther
Yeh, that's nowhere near 1cm. I'd give it an 0.3.
cold vessel
Those don't look that much thicker than mine 🤔
ocean robin
lel -8 girl with 0.3 cm glasses
And I think my sight got even worse. I should go to the optamologist soon.
Anyway translation.
hot cloak
are these compressed by any chance
ocean robin
Dunno
sudden panther
Yeah, they do fancy magic now.
30 years ago, you would have had 1cm thick ones. 😛
sudden panther
Flops.
ocean robin
Die Besprechung erfolgt am Montag. -> The meeting takes place on Monday.
viscid cape
He has... mojo.
ocean robin
THE HELL IS THAT
sudden panther
ITS CALLED GERMAN
quasi merlin
THE HELL IS THAT
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
sudden panther
Anyway, I apologize for giving Flops the chance to flop up the conversation. Now back to work.
viscid cape
Hummm I think erfolgen sounds weird in this context... maybe natives can help.
sudden panther
Also Krypti, which page is that exercise from?
ocean robin
I TALK ABOUT THE GLASSES I JUST SAW
viscid cape
Arrem 28
sudden panther
Eh I'm not sure if it's really wrong, but stattfinden would be a better verb to use for events and such.
viscid cape
I think you wouldn't really say erfolgen when it's about something you planned
ocean robin
viscid cape
Yeah
ocean robin
Stattfinden? Is that a seperable prefix?
viscid cape
You tell us
sudden panther
^
viscid cape
How do you know if a prefix is sepparable in this case?
ocean robin
ocean robin
Wooo prefix is a little thingy that you add to the word to form another word.
viscid cape
Yes
ocean robin
Flops' definition ™
sudden panther
Cool now go ahead and look the word up.
viscid cape
So, if you know that statt is a prefix, you can tell whether it's separable just by listening to the word
sudden panther
Or 🐶🔫
ocean robin
Christ, I just came to white theme and I think that my eyes died.
sudden panther
I've been using light themes my whole life and my eyes are better than yours. Checkm8 Floppeists.
ocean robin
sudden panther
Now. https://de.wiktionary.org/ -> stattfinden
ocean robin
"Ich finde statt" lmao that is so weird
viscid cape
Yes
If you know how the word sounds
You can tell whether it's separable by noticing if the prefix has stress
If it has stress, it's separable
You say STATTfinden
ocean robin
Bright theme is beautiful but painful. I think I am going back to dark.
ocean robin
Ahhhhh.
sudden panther
Yeah, we are.
west harness
do people use stattfinden often?
sudden panther
Kinda, I guess.
ocean robin
So let me rephrase that:
west harness
oooh cool!
hot cloak
?
sudden panther
DW botto, she just can't read. 😛
pine ginkgo
yeah, don't worry, nully
hot cloak
👀
ocean robin
Eh, I didn't know the past for finden, that's all. Just discovered it a few secs ago.
hot cloak
you said "fang" though
ocean robin
Wow, I can't write.
sudden panther
Okay Floppo, give us the sentence now.
ocean robin
"Die Besprechung findet am Montag statt." Then. I almost put a question mark but then I'll hear "is this an awnser or a question"
sudden panther
Why'd you do findet statt?
hot cloak
he just wants you to explain it
ocean robin
Ah, better explanation lel
how to explain stattfinden, huh
You mean why did I put the statt at the end?
sudden panther
It's no fun when you spoil it Botto. 😦
ocean robin
Well, because it's a seperable prefix and stattfinden is a seperable verb. So in this case we just put the prefix in the end of the clause and then poof verb is conjugated.
sudden panther
Oki. Can you give me an example sentence where we don't separate the separable prefix?
ocean robin
Verstehen, for example, I think
cold vessel
That's not what he meant
hot cloak
also not separable
sudden panther
Yeah, because that's an inseparable prefix.
When would you write stattfindet instead of findet statt, for example.
west harness
can i join in on this
hot cloak
sure
sudden panther
Everyone's always welcome in the torture chamber.
hot cloak
easier question: what kind of clauses does german have
ocean robin
Kind of clauses?
ocean robin
thinks immediately about subordinating
hot cloak
thats one
sudden panther
Any particular thing you'd like to work on, cop?
hot cloak
yup, now how does a separable verb look in a main clause
fair iron
It looks alright, nothing special.
ocean robin
Like for stattfinden, main clause:
"findet [...] statt."
Fir subordinating clauses (because I know this question is next):
"[...] stattfindet."
snow trout
Y'all having a good time?
sudden panther
So Flops, can you give me an example where you would separate an inseparable prefix. Stehen ver instead of verstehen?
ocean robin
WHAT.
sudden panther
You don't have to steal the answers. We can always write our own examples. 😄
ocean robin
DOES THAT EVEN EXIST?
sudden panther
Well, can you do it? 😛
ocean robin
nuuuh you can't
west harness
it's right there in the name
ocean robin
lel
sudden panther
Correcto. Inseparable prefixes are never separated.
cold vessel
I wouldn't put it past German to name something "inseparable" and then have it separate in some obscure edge case 👀
west harness
yeah same
ocean robin
lel
snow trout
Hallo, Moin und Servus, Casca!
sudden panther
Hehe. Maybe one day, hen. 😛
shy bobcat
He's memeing
ocean robin
ayyyyy Arizona.
fair iron
Arizonaaaa.
sudden panther
Alrighto. We can continue. Floppo when does the train arrive?
Cop. Hm. Arizona give us a simple sentence with a separable verb in it.
shy bobcat
Uhhh
ocean robin
Arizona give us a simple sentence
lol
west harness
give me a simple sentence
sudden panther
Oh I missed one. You can do when does the train depart. 👌
ocean robin
AHHHHH.
west harness
wann fährt der zug ab?
ocean robin
Wann fährt der Zug ab?
sudden panther
Correcto. Except we capitalize our nouns.
ocean robin
lel same
sudden panther
In other news, guess what's an actual word https://i.imgur.com/wJAZaXh.png
west harness
yeah i know i'm just not good at that
ocean robin
LOL
west harness
get that away from me
sudden panther
als wir arriviert waren
Beautiful. 😍
sudden panther
Floppo, your sentence was arrive, not depart. Can we have that one, please? 😄
ocean robin
Ah.
west harness
other way around i think lol
ocean robin
But I did say abfahren. :<
shy bobcat
I put a blue jacket on there's a sentence
west harness
he means he wants you to say arrive
ocean robin
Ahhhh.
west harness
you did depart right flappy
ocean robin
Ankommen then I think.
sudden panther
👌 Use it in a sentence please. 😄
ocean robin
Wann kommt der Zug an?
sudden panther
Terrible.
ocean robin
west harness
anziehen is put on right?
sudden panther
Nah, it's fine. Let's see how you handle the next one. Michael is tidying up and his children are watching television.
Aye.
ocean robin
👀
whole rapids
There are inseperable prefixes that are also seperable, like übersetzen 🙃
(I joke, it's not the same)
cold vessel
Man, another Norwegian cognate. It's basically every prefixed verb 👀
shy bobcat
Close.
ocean robin
"Michael räume auf und seine Kinder sehen fern."
sudden panther
Almost. Check the second clause again.
west harness
sehen
sudden panther
And Flops can check her first clause. 😛
ocean robin
west harness
lol together we made one good sentence
sudden panther
Sehen, yeah.
ocean robin
Ah räume lel
shy bobcat
Now correct it.
ocean robin
"Michael räumt auf und seine Kinder sehen fern."
west harness
Michael räumt auf, und seine Kinder sehen fern
sudden panther
Which form would räume be, Flops?
ocean robin
Ich.
west harness
but michael is a he
sudden panther
Oh yes, that too. But also the imperative.
shy bobcat
@west harness no commas before und
viscid cape
@sudden panther Rekt lol
ocean robin
that's_the_mistake™
shy bobcat
Lwt?
west harness
ever?
sudden panther
Look who's talking. 😂
ocean robin
And Arizona I do that a lot too. eheh
sudden panther
Not exactly never, but they're not really needed in most cases.
ocean robin
TIL.
west harness
when do you use commas?
ocean robin
For seperating clauses.
hot cloak
if two main clauses are considered equal
ocean robin
Always comma when you are starting another one.
hot cloak
these only get added for clarity though
west harness
hmm okay
sudden panther
You can find some (more) examples of when it would be acceptable here http://www.sprachschach.de/komma-vor-und/ but it's a bit past level A I'd say, so it's safe to ignore it for now.
west harness
ich esse kuchen kuchen, weil ich er mag
ocean robin
a bit past A level
west harness
kuchen once though
ocean robin
Lel that was what I was going to say.
sudden panther
Have you read up on cases yet?
shy bobcat
What's the sentence meant to be?
ocean robin
Whoa whoa whoa. First what is the gender of Kuchen? Step by step.
west harness
der kuchen
ocean robin
Yes.
west harness
ich esse kuchen, cause i like it
ocean robin
And this "it" is which case? 😛
west harness
akkusativ
ocean robin
👌
west harness
der becomes den right?
cold vessel
@west harness You said "er" though, not "der"
west harness
i know
ocean robin
Der becomes den, but you can't use a definite article here.
ocean robin
Unless you want to say "Ich esse Kuchen, den ich mag" but that wouldn't have rhe same meaning.
sudden panther
Yeah, ihn!
hot cloak
make mistakes
west harness
yaaaaay
ocean robin
NOW SENTNECE
shy bobcat
🎉
ocean robin
🎉
sudden panther
There are lots of ways to phrase it though. 😅
weil ich sie mag, where you'd be talking about Kuchen in plural or even weil ich es mag where you'd be talking about the action of eating itself.
thick charm
Don't eat all of my cake
cold vessel
When flappy becomes B we should make a channel dedicated to her explaining grammar for As
sudden panther
^
ocean robin
thick charm
I bought it with my own money
ocean robin
lol what
thick charm
rude
sudden panther
Chucks have money?
ocean robin
chuck lmao
thick charm
Yeah Chucks get Bafög even though they're not currently studying
ocean robin
And bh the way ayyyyy Chuck what's up? 
sudden panther
😮 Phone Merkel!
viscid cape
Bafög sounds like a demon's name
west harness
no way
ocean robin
thick charm
Selbstanzeige ist raus
west harness
that sounds illegal
thick charm
It's just an oversight
shy bobcat
Wenn ich dich bitte, darf ich Kuchen haben?
ocean robin
LOL WHAT
viscid cape
Chuck chuckles and all his problems are solved
thick charm
That's the advantage of being a Chuck
ocean robin
Chuck is chucking and that way he doesn't havd problems at all.
thick charm
you can just chuck and everybody else chucks with you
ocean robin
I am thinking now that my German teacher will give me back my essay I did 👀
thick charm
How do you think you did?
ocean robin
If I have less than 50% kill me.
thick charm
got it
hot cloak
alles
shy bobcat
Flops, nachdem sie die Noten gesehen hat, die sie bekommen hat, ist wieder weggefloppt
shy bobcat
that German is terrible up there, hope it wasn't from a book 😛
referring to my own ofc
sudden panther
took me a while to find this
ocean robin
Still remember the time when the teacher asked "what is Perfekt" and I litteraly told 5 minutes about it
thick charm
But did you say the right things?
sudden panther
How much did you have to litter to tell it litteraly? 🤔
ocean robin
I think, she was like "oh god perfect"
hot cloak
rofl arrem
sudden panther
Anyway. Floppo. Last sentence. Are you coming along to the cinema?
ocean robin
coming alone
thick charm
It's not a typo
ocean robin
Sounds like a [...]kommen again
sudden panther
Bist du kommend entlang zu dem Kino.
ocean robin
exactly
sudden panther
It's not a typo. You can't read again.
ocean robin
yes
thick charm
Bimst du*
sudden panther
Also no, please don't use entlang.
shy bobcat
I'd personally say "coming with" instead of "coming along" myself
ocean robin
lol whag arrem
shy bobcat
😏
thick charm
whack arrem
shy bobcat
that's ok
ocean robin
hot cloak
:^)
shy bobcat
That's unironically how I'd say it
ocean robin
- Chose mitkommen in this case.
- Is mitkommen a seperable verb? -> yes -> mit at the end.
- Now conjugate that boi
- And do your question yu foxy.
shy bobcat
😏
ocean robin
But I am just not sure about the "to the cinema" here. I really really want to say "ins Kino" but this is the place right? Or oh wait.
When we go somewhere, it's Akk right?
ocean robin
2nd place if there is a W- question, or 1st place if it's a yes/no question
hot cloak
What kind of question are we dealing with?
ocean robin
A ye/nope one. So 1st place.
Like: "Kommst du ins Kino mit?" -> Are you coming along to the cinema?
hot cloak
Hold your horses, try to form the sentence without information about the location first
ocean robin
Ayyy.
hot cloak
You're very close, just needs a bit of adjustment
ocean robin
Oh. Where?
hot cloak
I know you prolly know the answer to this but Where?
ocean robin
To the cinema?
ocean robin
It's not "ins Kino"
hot cloak
it is, I just want you to understand how we think when forming a question like this
ocean robin
hot cloak
A german thinks like this when forming a question involving additional information like a location "Kommst du mit... (oh heck, he doesn't know where though. Better specify...) zum/ins Kino?"
ocean robin
I thought about zum Kino a few mins ago and then said in my head "he said ins Kino was righto."
cold vessel
I thought the prefix always got pushed to the end of the clause 🤔
ocean robin
^
hot cloak
a prefix is still bound to the original object it references
so we cant just put it at the end since it's part of the predicate which is in fact connected to our subject
cold vessel
🤔
ocean robin
So the question is "Kommst du mit ins Kino?"
hot cloak
yup
cold vessel
Can you formulate a general rule that tells me where to put the prefix since you just destroyed the one I had? 😛
sudden panther
Things like these are exceptions, really.
viscid cape
-pinches Flappy's cheeks-
sudden panther
Ban Floppo.
placid heath
I'd say Kommst du auch ins Kino mit? as well (the mit before ins sounds better though). That might be dialect.
thick charm
It doesn't matter, really. Works either way. Mit before ins is the more grammatically correct way to phrase it.
ocean robin
why me blame
pine ginkgo
wat
ocean robin
weeeee
viscid cape
EINE SYNONYME DE QUALITÉ OUI OUI
ocean robin
placid heath
Flappy, your task is to find out the (ok, bad) joke in that sentence
ocean robin
sudden panther
Floppso. Identify the object(s) of the sentence and say if they're direct or indirect.
2 - Er kauft dem Mädchen ein Eis.
3 - Herr Schulz zeigt dem Gast seinen Garten.
4 - Der Kellner bringt dir das Essen.```If you give her German sentences she can just look at the case though
ocean robin
fair iron
Er kauft den Jungen ein Eis takes a dark turn if you add a comma between Jungen and ein.
ocean robin
that's_my_strategy.jpeg
whole rapids
but will she get the answer right?
ocean robin
Ayyyy Pferd. Today is a great day.
placid heath
Casca, the enumeration would need an 'und' there :(
ocean robin
Remember that on September 27th, Floppsel had her first righto translation.
whole rapids
And why is that, dear Flapper-chan?
ocean robin
Flapper-chan >3<
fair iron
True, but that spoils the fun. ^^
cold vessel
It's obviously das flapper-chan
whole rapids
I didn't see it
ocean robin
i made a screen
placid heath
Er kauft den Jungen ein Eis und eine große blutdichte Plastikwanne da geht es
whole rapids
show me
fair iron
Hast recht.
ocean robin
there have fun
sudden panther
She's free to look at the case as long as she gets it right. 😛
ocean robin
sudden panther
We can do English ones afterwards.
fair iron
Er achtet darauf, dass die Wanne aus Plastik besteht, bevor er Fluorwasserstoffsäure dazu gießt.
ocean robin
1 - der Frau (indirect -> Dat) ein Buch (direct -> Akk)
2- dem Mädchen (Dat) ein Eis (Akk)
3- dem Gast (Dat) seinen Garten (der Garten -> Akk)
4. dir (Dat); das Essen (Akk).
shy bobcat
placid heath
sudden panther
So where exactly did you say if they're direct or indirect?
shy bobcat
ocean robin
But Akk is direct and Dat indirect
shy bobcat
not always
cold vessel
Should have used some prepositions to confuse her smh
fair iron
Why pay extra money for renovations when you could easily use this method to own a hole-in-the-ceiling-wall?
shy bobcat
"ich helfe dir"
placid heath
🧀 & 🍚 !
ocean robin
Yeah rice now?
placid heath
'Cheese&Rice!'
pine ginkgo
korea no flappsel distraction
shy bobcat
cheese and rice = minced oath of "Jesus Christ"
thick charm
Don't worry, I didn't either
shy bobcat
in those you're right up there
shy bobcat
well, identify each object in arrem's sentences
and say whether they're direct or indirect
ocean robin
Well, let me add if they're direct or not for the others
shy bobcat
placid heath
Deutscher Humor ist keine Angelegenheit über die man Scherze macht.
shy bobcat
ok @ocean robin back to wörk
1 - Ich schenke der Frau ein Buch.
2 - Er kauft dem Mädchen ein Eis.
3 - Herr Schulz zeigt dem Gast seinen Garten.
4 - Der Kellner bringt dir das Essen.
Name objects.
ocean robin
1 - der Frau (indirect -> Dat) ein Buch (direct -> Akk)
2- dem Mädchen (Dat, indirect) ein Eis (Akk, direct: he doesn't buy the girl, it'd be weird)
3- dem Gast (Dat, indirect) seinen Garten (der Garten -> Akk, direct)
4. dir (Dat, direct); das Essen (Akk, indirect).
shy bobcat
@sudden panther Flöp did it 😄
ocean robin
sudden panther
Ayy Flop can actually do stuff.
ocean robin
dat was really weird
viscid cape
You're doing good today Fläps
ocean robin
Yasss Arrem, do I have potential?
sudden panther
But she can't do stuff right.
ocean robin
😦
fair iron
Life, the universe, and everything.
ocean robin
Oh, interesting, let me find that in what I wrote right there.
viscid cape
Are you ready for more exercizoz.
ocean robin
Yes.
viscid cape
Are you done with your current ones?
ocean robin
yus
shy bobcat
did someone ever actually say you were done ie. right?
viscid cape
The next topic in the book is imperatives
ocean robin
WE ALREADY DID IT
viscid cape
Don't you want to do a revision exercise?
sudden panther
You memed up Flops.
Oh nevermind that, I'm done.
ocean robin
Didn't we say in 1 week?
sudden panther
The only exception to the dative for indirect objects, accusative for direct objects is when you have a verb that requires dative. Like helfen, as Ari said. With that in mind, see where you memed up.
ocean robin
ah.
shy bobcat
I didn't read ol' Flöps' answer, did she meme up?
thick charm
I might be an idiot, but I don't see it
ocean robin
cold vessel
Maybe practice dative verbs?
pine ginkgo
chuckiot
round bay
ffs, is there a krypto now?
pine ginkgo
idiock
round bay
at least they spell it with a k 😃
thick charm
we went over that before
ocean robin
yo chuk A2
pine ginkgo
it's a krypti