general-2

[pine ginkgo]

what is your dictionary

[grand seal]

Use google mostly for individual words, and go to dict.cc when I want to double check.

[pine ginkgo]

did you do it this time

double checking

[grand seal]

I think I actually used a different one to double check. But I did double check.

dict.cc is giving me reiben now.

Which probably makes more sense.

[pine ginkgo]

well

now try again

[grand seal]

"Eine schwarze Katze, genau wie die auf dem Zeichen, erschien aus dem Nirgendwo, und rieb, Rücken krümmte, gegen ihre Wade."

[pine ginkgo]

now

i would like you to check your dictionary for "to rub against"

[grand seal]

"Eine schwarze Katze, genau wie die auf dem Zeichen, erschien aus dem Nirgendwo, und rieb, Rücken krümmte, an ihrer Wade."

[pine ginkgo]

nice

so no Rücken krümmte is still wrong

but i am not sure about the explanation at this point

🤔

[opal sequoia]

Do you mean because you can't have those simultaneous action clauses in German?

Or is it the word choice?

[pine ginkgo]

well, we can

just not the way it is in english

[grand seal]

Yeah grammatically I was completely lost there

[opal sequoia]

That's what I mean.

[pine ginkgo]

so it will look a lot differently than in english

[opal sequoia]

I would have written it just as "... und ..." as another action.

[pine ginkgo]

try translating it is "while it was arching its back"

[opal sequoia]

Or that, yeah.

Although "was arching" is also not German, right?

[grand seal]

Do I have it in the correct place though?

[pine ginkgo]

eh

if you unravel it

you better seperate both clauses

what do you mean base?

of course "was arching" is not german

sicne it's english

but i doubt that is what you are asking

[opal sequoia]

The past continuous.

Or whatever it's called.

[pine ginkgo]

yeah sure

but you can still translate it

easily

[opal sequoia]

I guess that makes sense.

[grand seal]

dict.cc really isn't clear with articles

It is der Rücken, right?

[twilit garden]

yes

however, if you make a noun out of the verb "rücken" it is neuter

[opal sequoia]

Not clear with articles? What do you mean?

[pine ginkgo]

really?

every noun shows the gender

haven't seen a noun not displaying it so far 🤔

[grand seal]

It listed it as der die and das. Der was the first though.

I don't use dict.cc a lot. So I'm still a bit confused with it.

[pine ginkgo]

oh

[opal sequoia]

Oh, the die is the plural.

[pine ginkgo]

you should translate it from english to german

not from german to english

if you wanna use it

cause there are multiple meanings for just "Rücken"

[twilit garden]

you were looking at this, weren't you?

[opal sequoia]

When you see a noun on dict.cc on the word's actual page you have: NOUN singular form | plural form

[grand seal]

Yes

So that's singular plural and made from a verb?

[twilit garden]

yes

[grand seal]

Gotcha

[pine ginkgo]

if you have the german word

[twilit garden]

i would look at this section more

[pine ginkgo]

you should rather try it with duden

than inputting it in dict.cc again

[opal sequoia]

And also look at the example phrases, which should be mostly {m}

[grand seal]

"Eine schwarze Katze, genau wie die auf dem Zeichen, erschien aus dem nirgendwo, und während sie krümmte ihren Rücken, rieb sie an ihrer Wade."

[opal sequoia]

But either way, this is one of the reasons why we're doing this type of practice task: it helps you to learn to look up words and things like that.

[grand seal]

Cases are confusing here.

Oh yes this is great, don't get me wrong. I'm learning tons.

[opal sequoia]

You're doing pretty well because... although this is a relatively simple example of a lot of these concepts, they're still pretty complicated concepts.

In terms of the grammar.

[pine ginkgo]

don't forget most secondary clauses push the verb to the end

[grand seal]

"Eine schwarze Katze, genau wie die auf dem Zeichen, erschien aus dem nirgendwo und während sie ihren Rücken krümmte, rieb sie an ihrer Wade."

[pine ginkgo]

oh and generally

there is no comma before und

(There are exceptions, but it is more often wrong than correct)

[grand seal]

So the above is passable?

I know there's a difference between being grammatically correct and not sounding like a deranged toddler.

Just because it's technically right doesn't mean it sounds good.

[twilit garden]

it is passable but "rieb sie an ihrer Wade" sounds like the cat is rubbing with its paw not its whole body

so again, you should use it reflexively

[grand seal]

Reflexive verbs are like magic to me.

xD

[pine ginkgo]

oh nice

nemo took part of my work

[twilit garden]

at your hand, master

[grand seal]

"Eine schwarze Katze, genau wie die auf dem Zeichen, erschien aus dem nirgendwo und während sie ihren Rücken krümmte, rieb sie sich an ihrer Wade."

So why exactly does changing it to reflexive insinuate that it's using its whole body and not just its paws?

[twilit garden]

it's like "it rubbed itself against her" rather than "it rubbed her"

[grand seal]

Ah that makes sense

[twilit garden]

the "sich" always implies that it is doing it with it's whole body or mind

[grand seal]

So is there any way you could change that sentence to make it sound even better?

[twilit garden]

or as an entity

[opal sequoia]

I'll be semi-afk because I am going to the store.

[grand seal]

Alrighty. Thanks Base. Good sentences. 😉

[twilit garden]

maybe this:

Eine schwarze Katze, genau wie die auf dem Zeichen, erschien aus dem Nichts und rieb sich mit gekrümmtem Rücken an ihrer Wade.

[grand seal]

Ooo I like that

[opal sequoia]

❤

[grand seal]

Appeared out of the nothingness!

So what exactly did you do there with the adjective?

[twilit garden]

do you mean "gekrümmt"?

[grand seal]

mit makes it dative, thus adding the -m at the end. I get that.

But yeah, is there a way to turn a verb into an adjective?

Or is that just already a word?

[twilit garden]

it is called a participle

[grand seal]

Oh it's just the past participle

[twilit garden]

yip

[grand seal]

But with a dative ending

I didn't know you could use it like that

Neat

[twilit garden]

i was also thinking about using the word "Buckel" (masculine) there which translates to "hunch" or "hump"

[grand seal]

Thanks for your help, Nemo.

Very informative

[twilit garden]

ein Katzenbuckel

[grand seal]

A cathump.

I love German so much

Ever since I learned that gloves were Handshoes.

I was smitten.

[pine ginkgo]

you meant you were mittens

[grand seal]

ayyyyy lmao

[twilit garden]

that's what @crystal delta looks like when somebody's misbehaving on the discord

[pine ginkgo]

it was just in advance before nemo had his chance

[twilit garden]

thanks for your support

[grand seal]

I feel I made some progress today.

Bed time.

Thank you as well, Luna.

Very very helpful

Gute Nacht! Bis bald

[twilit garden]

Good night

[crystal delta]

lol Nemo 😛

[hot cloak]

[ocean robin]

I am back

[forest verge]

omg hi

[ocean robin]

OMG COAL

[forest verge]

lmfaaaao

[pseudo trail]

Hello Fläppers!

[ocean robin]

Hello!

Would you like to study with me?

[opal sequoia]

Welcome back.

[pine ginkgo]

flappy do some sentences

you get a bonus flaps

[ocean robin]

yes i would like so Solet

[pine ginkgo]

if you manage to translate it correctly in one go

[ocean robin]

HELL YEEEAH

[forest verge]

🤔

[pseudo trail]

Am I allowed flaps too?

[pine ginkgo]

yes

[ocean robin]

Everyone is allowed.

[pseudo trail]

yay

[pine ginkgo]

@opal sequoia do some sentences, go!

[ocean robin]

look solet gonna give me a tricky one lul

[opal sequoia]

Okay.

Here's one I wrote earlier when you left Flappy. "Back in town, the detective tried to inquire about the disappearances, but the locals refused to talk."

[forest verge]

ah flaps; the german heroin

[opal sequoia]

And I'll make one for you, Ente. What level are you?

[pseudo trail]

A2

[opal sequoia]

Or what do you want to practice?

[ocean robin]

Whoooa.

[whole rapids]

Do you need a sentence Base?

derp

need

[ocean robin]

What the hell is that sentence

[opal sequoia]

For Ente? Sure, you're welcome to come up with one!

[forest verge]

lmao

[opal sequoia]

Or if you meant for me, then sure, I could do that too.

[forest verge]

flappy is ded

[ocean robin]

anyway let's go

no i am not Coal lul

[opal sequoia]

If you need explanation of any English stuff btw Flappy, feel free to ask.

[ocean robin]

:O

yay

[opal sequoia]

Sometimes I'll use a weird expression and not realize.

[ocean robin]

COAL OMG

[forest verge]

?

[ocean robin]

i can do it

[forest verge]

i know you can

[ocean robin]

:c

[forest verge]

go

[ocean robin]

yay

[forest verge]

do it

or i'll use my A0 skills and do it myself

[whole rapids]

okay, prepare yourself

One of the most important yet least understood organisations in the world, the WTO is a lynchpin of globalisation, allowing us to enjoy products and services from around the globe.

for Base

[forest verge]

oh my fucking god

[opal sequoia]

Haha, okay.

[whole rapids]

and you give me

one

[opal sequoia]

Okay.

[forest verge]

i don't think i could do that in french

damn

[opal sequoia]

But come up with an A2 one for Ente while I think of one.

[whole rapids]

I'll come to yours soon, need to do something first.

Okay

do you learn passive voice in A2? I forget.

[forest verge]

wait

[pseudo trail]

I don't know it

[forest verge]

are you guys following a set plan or something?

[pine ginkgo]

depends on the person

everyone has their own plans

[forest verge]

yeah ok

[pseudo trail]

Based on my understanding of the levels that's not something an A2 learner would need

[whole rapids]

I learnt it in A2.

[forest verge]

depends what that A2 person's talking about

[whole rapids]

but different courses do different stuff

[opal sequoia]

"A thatched tavern grown over with wild vines, ivy and sweet peas stood among hollyhocks by a peaceful, lazy river flowing among willows, alders and oaks bent over the water, right besides a bridge connecting the banks with its elegant stone arch." @whole rapids

[forest verge]

jesus

[whole rapids]

Okay, what about this:

It took them a long time to fix the car.

[opal sequoia]

We're just practicing generally, Coal.

[pseudo trail]

for me?

[whole rapids]

whoever

[forest verge]

ye

[whole rapids]

okay thanks, Base, I'll come to it shortly

[ocean robin]

"Zurück in die Stadt, der Detektiv probierte über die Verscheinden anfragen, aber die Einheimische lehnten sprechen ab."

🤔

oh typo

[pine ginkgo]

Back in town, the detective tried to inquire about the disappearances, but the locals refused to talk.

[ocean robin]

wooo solet is here

[pine ginkgo]

ehehhe

[ocean robin]

yes

[pine ginkgo]

🤔

how likely

do you think

you are correct, flaps flaps

:D

[ocean robin]

WTF

🎉

I thought there would be mistakes owo

[pine ginkgo]

eh

what flaps

[whole rapids]

he meant that he was indeed "here"

[pine ginkgo]

of course it's not correct

[ocean robin]

don't tell me

;_;

you destroyed my dreams

[pine ginkgo]

say, why did you translate "Back in town" as accusative?

[ocean robin]

wait

is it the location

[pine ginkgo]

yes

[ocean robin]

god

"Zurück in der Stadt, der Detektiv probierte über die Verscheinden anfragen, aber die Einheimische lehnten sprechen ab."

there

what next lol

[pseudo trail]

isn't in+accusative more like "into"

[pine ginkgo]

yes

well

depends on context

sorry

[forest verge]

of course it's not correct
damn lmao

[pseudo trail]

ack of course it does 😠

[pine ginkgo]

okay

how did you come up with Verscheinden

[ocean robin]

🤔

i looked with my dear dict.cc

[pine ginkgo]

and it said what

[ocean robin]

wait that I see it again 🤔

[pine ginkgo]

admittedly, that part is not that easy to translate to german

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

well the tricky part is, Verschwinden is always singular

[ocean robin]

AH

GOD WHY

"Zurück in die Stadt, der Detektiv probierte über das Verschwinden anfragen, aber die Einheimische lehnten sprechen ab."

[pine ginkgo]

so i give it to you here

i still ask you

what is Verscheinden?

[ocean robin]

god typo

[forest verge]

lmao

[pine ginkgo]

took you a while to even notice it

[ocean robin]

yes

:/

[pine ginkgo]

alright

[sudden panther]

I like how Solet is doing this slowly.

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

you would translate it as das Verschwinden der/von Personen

[ocean robin]

AH

[pine ginkgo]

it's ambigious in english

mhh

[forest verge]

bully tactics 🤔

xP

[pine ginkgo]

so maybe Verschwinden der Sachenmight work too

but you gotta specifiy it in german

[ocean robin]

oki dokie

[pine ginkgo]

nothing you can/must know at your level

[ocean robin]

So I pick one of those?

[pine ginkgo]

so yer not gonna get smacked for that

[ocean robin]

oh

[pine ginkgo]

okay

next

[ocean robin]

"Zurück in der Stadt, der Detektiv probierte über das Verschwinden der Sachen anfragen, aber die Einheimische lehnten sprechen ab."

[pine ginkgo]

Zurück in der Stadtis not a clause in german

it's part of a sentence

[ocean robin]

🤔

wat does that mean

[pine ginkgo]

so drop the comma

and think about your main clause again

[ocean robin]

OH

🤔

wait

the detective tried to inquire what? the disappearances -> acc

mmmh

[opal sequoia]

Here is mine.

[pine ginkgo]

no no

flaps

[ocean robin]

der Sachen mmmh

wat

[pine ginkgo]

where is the verb located

in a main clause

[ocean robin]

oh shoot

[opal sequoia]

"Die WTO, eine der wichtigeren jedoch am wenigsten verstandenen Organisationen der Welt, ist einer Dreh- und Angelpunkt von Globalisierung und sie ermöglicht uns, Leistungen aus aller Welt zu genießen."

[pine ginkgo]

verständlich = understandable

base

[opal sequoia]

Aha.

[ocean robin]

wait, we must deplace the verb, like "Zurück in die Stadt probierte der Detektiv über das Verschwinden anfragen, aber die Einheimische lehnten sprechen ab."

[pine ginkgo]

yep

okay

[opal sequoia]

Verstanden?

[pine ginkgo]

now you more or less did the same mistake twice

Back in town, the detective tried to inquire about the disappearances, but the locals refused to talk."

it must not always be the case

but

look at the verbs

tried to inquire

refused to talk

[ocean robin]

yeeeah

did not understand that

[pine ginkgo]

yeah, base, now decline it

[opal sequoia]

Sorry, I forgot that zu-infinitive clauses are kind of difficult for A level. 😦

[forest verge]

zu-infinitive clauses?

[opal sequoia]

So... basically...

[pine ginkgo]

oh, if flappsy doesnt know this

this can take a bit 🤔

[opal sequoia]

When you have a modal verb + some other verb, like "I want to eat that" then you say "Ich will das essen".

But if you wanted to say like...

"I try to eat that", then you say "Ich versuche, das zu essen."

Because versuchen isn't a modal verb.

[forest verge]

jesus christ

ok

[opal sequoia]

Or if you look at my example of a sentence above, there is one at the end there.

[pseudo trail]

could brauchen be used for need-to?

or would müssen be better?

[pine ginkgo]

müssen

[forest verge]

well damn

[pseudo trail]

ah ok

[opal sequoia]

It's "verstandenen", Luna?

[pine ginkgo]

One of the most important yet least understood organisations in the world, the WTO is a lynchpin of globalisation, allowing us to enjoy products and services from around the globe.

noch doesn't work here base

try jedoch

[opal sequoia]

Ohh.

I see.

[pine ginkgo]

also

you used the comparative for important

instead of superlative

also wrong case for Dreh- und Angelpunkt

also something you might not know yet or can't know

services in this case would be "Dienstleistungen"

[opal sequoia]

"Die WTO, eine der wichtigesten jedoch am wenigsten verstandenen Organisationen der Welt, ist ein Dreh- und Angelpunkt von Globalisierung und sie ermöglicht uns, Waren und Dienstleistungen aus aller Welt zu genießen."

What's the difference between Leistungen and Dienstleistungen?

[pine ginkgo]

Leistungen are more like performances

[opal sequoia]

Ahh.

Would you use it for a store?

[pine ginkgo]

no

[opal sequoia]

Oh I see.

[pine ginkgo]

well let's say this

"Dienstleistungen" are things like what barbers do

Leistung can also mean payment

generall we don't really use Leistung/en in german tho

[opal sequoia]

Makes sense.

[pine ginkgo]

at least not too common

did flap flaps die? 🤔

[opal sequoia]

Maybe her internet died again. 😦

As for why I chose it, it's because it's listed as "goods and services" in dict.cc

[naive charm]

services in itself is Dienstleistungen

"Waren und Dienstleistungen" <-maybe more like that

[whole rapids]

okay, I'll do the sentence you gave me now

[opal sequoia]

Thanks Jarduke.

That would be a better translation for my sentence then?

[naive charm]

Just exchange "Dienstleistungen" with "Waren und Dienstleistungen" and it should be fine

[pine ginkgo]

that's a good idea

🤔

[opal sequoia]

Thank you. That's awesome.

[whole rapids]

okay, that took longer than expected:

"A thatched tavern grown over with wild vines, ivy and sweet peas stood among hollyhocks by a peaceful, lazy river flowing among willows, alders and oaks bent over the water, right besides a bridge connecting the banks with its elegant stone arch."

Eine Strohdachkneipe, die mit wilden Efeu, Lianen und Duftwicken bewachsen war, befand sich zwischen Stockrosen an einem friedlichen, gemächlichen Fluss, der zwischen gewölbte Weiden, Erlen und Eichbäume floss, und neben einer Brücke, die die Ufer mit ihrem eleganten Steinbogen verband.

[lunar urchin]

*Eichen
sonst perfekt 👌

[opal sequoia]

😮

Lovely.

[lunar urchin]

oh *gewölbten

[naive charm]

but then it's also "Eichbäumen"

[lunar urchin]

ja, oder einfach *Eichen

s.o.

[whole rapids]

ah, yeah, the dative

thanks

Did you just think that up on the spot @opal sequoia?

[opal sequoia]

Nuh, it's from a book I have sitting here.

Some of the sentences are from books and some made up.

[whole rapids]

ah okay, I've never even heard of hollyhocks before. Well, I know what they are, but I didn't know their name.

[opal sequoia]

Ohhh.

I hope it wasn't too troublesome to translate.

I was going for interesting but not messy grammar with a few bits of new vocab mixed in.

[whole rapids]

Nah, it was good, made me think.

I wasn't sure how to incorporate "... over the water ..." so I just left it out and tried to imply it

[opal sequoia]

Makes sense.

Maybe... überwölbten? 🤔

[whole rapids]

Yeah, maybe that'd fit better. In my mind "overarching", so "überwölbend", would seem more apt, but not too sure.

Do you want to try the reverse? I have a novel I am reading with interesting sentences.

[opal sequoia]

Sure, I could do that.

[whole rapids]

auf Deutsch

okay, moment

[opal sequoia]

And I have a novel in German if you want to try.

[pine ginkgo]

mhh, you could say that

but i don't think you would ever see someone saying überwölbend

[opal sequoia]

Oh I see.

What's the difference?

[pine ginkgo]

it sounds weird

[opal sequoia]

If you want one, Pferd: "Ich konnte den Anblick des Westturms nicht mehr ertragen, ebenso wenig den von Bildern oder irgendwelchem Schmuckwerk, das in Mauern gemeißelt war."

Okay, that's fair.

[naive charm]

I guess you would only use the word wölben with all its prefixes, if its something physical.

[whole rapids]

Here is one:

"Ich habe keine Lust, in die Nähe dessen zu kommen, was aus der kleinen, krummen, dreieckigen Tür herausschauen könnte."

[naive charm]

"dreieckige Tür", mmh that concept is new to me

[whole rapids]

it's for a hut

[opal sequoia]

"I have no desire to come within the vicinity of whatever could look out of the small, crooked, triangular door."?

[whole rapids]

"Ich konnte den Anblick des Westturms nicht mehr ertragen, ebenso wenig den von Bildern oder irgendwelchem Schmuckwerk, das in Mauern gemeißelt war."

"I could no longer endure the sight of the west tower, nor the symbols/images or any of the jewellery that was chiselled in its wall."

Not really sure tbh.

Your translation makes sense, Base, in the context of what was happening.

[opal sequoia]

It sounds spooky. What is it?

[whole rapids]

I don't actually know yet.

[pseudo trail]

May I have a sentence?

[whole rapids]

To translate to German or from German?

[pseudo trail]

hmm. from

[whole rapids]

okay, moment

Try this:

Nun, Bürgermeister Prentiss ist ein bisschen anders als die anderen.

[pseudo trail]

is Prentiss a name?

[whole rapids]

yeah

[pseudo trail]

Now, Mayor Prentiss is a little different from the rest

[whole rapids]

Pretty much

okay, something harder

Er liegt auf dem Boden, steckt halb im Atomgenerator drin, der draußen vor dem Haus steht, und repariert, was in diesem Monat daran kaputtgegangen ist.

[pseudo trail]

He walked on the ground, put half inside the Atom Generator that stands outside before the house. and repaired what went wrong in this month

That sounds really bad to me

[opal sequoia]

I mean what's the novel, Pferd?

Ente. Firstly, what are the tenses of the verbs in the sentence?

[pseudo trail]

all of them appear to be present except for the last one

[opal sequoia]

How did you write them in English?

[pseudo trail]

I wrote them all as past

[opal sequoia]

Not all of them. But why past?

[pseudo trail]

I think I confused liegt with lief

[opal sequoia]

Ohh, I see!

And what does liegt mean?

[pseudo trail]

is laying

[opal sequoia]

Yep!

[pseudo trail]

can it be used for one person laying something down?

[hot cloak]

heya

[pseudo trail]

Hi!

[hot cloak]

ne

er legt etwas - he layed something down

[pseudo trail]

oh nice

[hot cloak]

er liegt - he is laying

legen and liegen are two different verbs

[pseudo trail]

ah

[ocean robin]

ok guys

I am back D:

[opal sequoia]

Welcome back!

[pseudo trail]

I assumed legt was simple past of liegt

Hi Fläppers

[hot cloak]

stellen - stehen

[pseudo trail]

OH

Yeah like that ok

[ocean robin]

so was it zu sprechen?

[hot cloak]

there is a list of those verbs

sitzen setzen

[opal sequoia]

What do you mean, Flappy?

[pine ginkgo]

zu flappen

[whole rapids]

The book is called New World: Die Flucht, @opal sequoia

[opal sequoia]

Oh, interesting.

[hot cloak]

i am finnaly on my way to home yaaay

[opal sequoia]

Yay!

[hot cloak]

I missed my mother and pets so much

[pseudo trail]

wooo

[hot cloak]

:FeelsBadMan:

but in 12 hours I'm gonna meet them

yay

[ocean robin]

when we say "tried to talk"

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

[opal sequoia]

The verbs were "tried to inquire" and "refused to talk". Want to try to translate those by themselves, Flappy?

[ocean robin]

mmmh

[pine ginkgo]

oh yeah

wanted to tell you that

use versuchen instead of probieren

[ocean robin]

"lehnten zu sprechen ab"?

[hot cloak]

lehnten ab zu sprechen

[ocean robin]

🤔

why?

[hot cloak]

cause you add "zu verb" at the end of the sentence

[ocean robin]

yes

[pine ginkgo]

eh

[hot cloak]

er lehnt sofort ab zu sprechen

[pine ginkgo]

just wanna say that flappy's sentence is not wrong

but also not common

[opal sequoia]

Generally, Flappy, when you have a zu-clause, you put the whole zu-clause at the end even after the seperable prefixes.

[ocean robin]

oh

[hot cloak]

is it correct in writing speech?

[pine ginkgo]

in formal writing, no

[hot cloak]

thanks

[pine ginkgo]

it's more of a olden way of speaking or poetic

however you want to see it

[ocean robin]

OH I AM A POET

[pine ginkgo]

no flaps

you arent't

at least not in german

[ocean robin]

whai

[hot cloak]

I AM A POET

[pine ginkgo]

nope

[hot cloak]

[ocean robin]

anyway

next sentence base plox?

[hot cloak]

"My favourite school lesson is geometry cause I like triangles "

[ocean robin]

🤔

School class?

[hot cloak]

i forgot the word lesson

sorry

[ocean robin]

ok unterricht

wait that word will be long as fuck

Lieblings Schule Unterricht?

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

nein

[hot cloak]

das Fach

[pine ginkgo]

Schulfach

[hot cloak]

Fach

[pine ginkgo]

nein

das

[ocean robin]

🤔

[hot cloak]

yeah

[ocean robin]

AH

[hot cloak]

triangle - das Dreieck

[ocean robin]

plural?

[hot cloak]

die Dreiecke

[ocean robin]

oki

Mein Lieblingsschulfach ist Geometrie, weil ich Dreiecke mag?

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

read me again

flaps

[ocean robin]

what

[hot cloak]

👏

[ocean robin]

don't tell me lieblings is not there

if so

[pine ginkgo]

no

look at my translation of school class

and look at yours

[ocean robin]

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

don't clap for being wrong

[ocean robin]

oh

That e

[pine ginkgo]

now you can clap

[hot cloak]

she is not wrong in grammar structure

:clap:

[ocean robin]

*she 🤔

[hot cloak]

oh

sorry!

[ocean robin]

Np hehehe

[pine ginkgo]

flappsy, duuuude

[ocean robin]

LOL

[opal sequoia]

"The house from which the old man emerged was painted a bright and hideous yellow and she wondered if he was too blind to notice."

Try that.

[ocean robin]

unless typo i am right yey

woa

"from which"

whaaa

[hot cloak]

daher ?

I'm not sure

[pine ginkgo]

close

well

possibly close

[hot cloak]

keine Ahnung ehh

daraus ?

[pine ginkgo]

well

it depends on how you want to translate it

honestly

[hot cloak]

das Haus, woraus der alte Mann tauchte auf...

geht es?

[pine ginkgo]

nope

[opal sequoia]

Okay, cannibalfoxis. How would you translate this: "The country in which I live"?

[hot cloak]

Das Land wo ich lebe

[pine ginkgo]

well

meaning wise it's correct

[opal sequoia]

Woraus is correct?

[ocean robin]

"Das Hause wovon der alte Mann tauschte auf, war ein hell und abscheulich gelb gemalt, und sie fragte sich, ob er zu blind war zu bemerken."

WTF WAS THAT

[pine ginkgo]

what is this rather

[ocean robin]

🤔

I have no idea

[pine ginkgo]

oh, well, you take care of flaps, base

[ocean robin]

LMAO

[opal sequoia]

Okay.

So... firstly... Why Hause?

[ocean robin]

wait

need to see the translation again, seems I fucked up 🤔

"The house from which the old man emerged was painted a bright and hideous yellow and she wondered if he was too blind to notice."

mmmh

that was the first word that came in mind 🤔

[opal sequoia]

Das Haus.

[ocean robin]

oh goddamit

i wrote the plural of it?

[opal sequoia]

The plural is Häuser.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

[opal sequoia]

But Hause is used in "zu Hause" and "nach Hause".

But those are kind of weird phrases.

[ocean robin]

Ah.

[twilit garden]

also "im Hause"

[ocean robin]

When you are in?

[twilit garden]

yeah, in some sayings that is possible

[ocean robin]

Oh okay

So let's correct first mistakr

"Das Haus wovon der alte Mann tauschte auf, war ein hell und abscheulich gelb gemalt, und sie fragte sich, ob er zu blind war zu bemerken."

[pine ginkgo]

sorry, i can't hold in

tauschte auf

ehehehehhehe

[twilit garden]

"to emerge from [the inside of] something" would best be translated with "aus etwas auftauchen"

[ocean robin]

is it typo solet

[pine ginkgo]

i don't know flappsy

[ocean robin]

that typo

[pine ginkgo]

if you can't tell me it's a typo

i can't tell you

and if you didn't notice it

after 10 minutes

[ocean robin]

but let me see again

[pine ginkgo]

maybe it isn't

[ocean robin]

and yes

i don't see my typos

[pine ginkgo]

you gotta start seeing them

[ocean robin]

because I can't

[opal sequoia]

I have to go for a sec to cook and clean a bit but I'll be back.

[ocean robin]

Oki dokie.

solet it is a typo

god

"Das Hause wovon der alte Mann tauchte auf, war ein hell und abscheulich gelb gemalt, und sie fragte sich, ob er zu blind war zu bemerken."

[pseudo trail]

Solet is like that english teacher that counted points off because you didn't dot the i on page 3, section 2, paragraph 7 🤣

[ocean robin]

LOL

[valid ice]

If it doesn't have a dot it's not an i 😦

[pine ginkgo]

yeah

[valid ice]

it's a line

an unfinished absolute

[pine ginkgo]

also hitting s before c

is kind of a stretch

for a typo

the thing is anyway

typos don't matter too much later

when you know the language

and can recognize a typo

[valid ice]

unless it's an exam 😦

[pine ginkgo]

but as a beginner

as flappy says

she doesn't even see her own typos

and that's a problem

[ocean robin]

:<

[pine ginkgo]

it doesn't matte if she knows it is one

or not

what is worse is that it is a mistake that she doesn't notice

if you know the language

you make a typo

you can say, oh well, i know what is correct anyway

since you know the difference

but as a beginner, can you tell it is a mistake most times?

[ocean robin]

yes

if I know the words

[pine ginkgo]

that's why you gotta be careful

especially for new words

if you typo a new word

and you don't know

there is a good chance you will remember it with your typo

and when that happens, damage has been done already

[pseudo trail]

On a similar note, I didn't focus on pronunciation at first so I incorrectly pronounce some of the first words I learnt

[pallid kelp]

in my experience, knowing pronunciation helps in remembering words correctly

because you more easily see each cluster of letters you encounter if you know that it has a specific way to be read

I always focus on pronunciation/orthography first when learning a language and it hasn't failed yet 🤔

[sudden panther]

#a2in2weeks

Sorry, I haven't used that one in a while. ❤

[proven cedar]

A2 in one year

[pine ginkgo]

what about

#a1in1day

[sudden panther]

You'll have to ask Berz about that. 🤔

[opal sequoia]

A2 in 2 weeks, C2 in 2 months.

I am going to get to C2 before 2018.

[pine ginkgo]

without grammar

[opal sequoia]

Without grammar?

[zealous badger]

Gib mir den, gib mir den Joint und ich zieh' dran
Hab' keinen Freund, Dicka, niemand
Ja, ich hab' euch vertraut, doch ihr habt es versaut
Ja, ich schaff' das allein, ist mir lieber
Ja es stimmt, Dicka, jeder macht Fehler
Zu viel Gin, Dicka, geht auf die Leber
U-F-O-3-6-1, jap, ich bring' es euch bei
Fühlt sich an, so als wär' ich ein Lehrer

[whole rapids]

@ocean robin, what kind of grammar do you currently know?

[opal sequoia]

I have a task for you Flappy, if you want.

Not translating though.

[ocean robin]

well uh I can't really say, but subordinate clauses?

Oh gimme Base.

Dative/Accusative too. Never heard of Genetiv yet.

[whole rapids]

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Grammatik.html go here

tell us what is unfamiliar

[opal sequoia]

I will give you ten verbs and for each one you can write a sentence where the verb I give is the conjugated verb (but you can add other verbs in infinitive if you want).

[ocean robin]

"Future perfect" wat

Oh amazing Base!

[opal sequoia]

Verbs: bleiben, betreffen, fahren, geben, einkaufen, erlauben, wissen, heißen, verstehen, denken.

[ocean robin]

"Passive" "Subjunctive I and II"

[whole rapids]

Passive is worth knowing

ignore subjunctive for now

That's a good little task, Base.

[thick charm]

yeah that's pretty good

[sudden panther]

Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich
in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheueren Ungeziefer verwandelt.

[ocean robin]

I remember that I tried that in my story, Pferd

[sudden panther]

Go flops.

[ocean robin]

wat

[whole rapids]

what did you try?

[sudden panther]

Translate.

[ocean robin]

Subjunctive II.

without knowing it .w.

Chuck said that it was B2 stuff

[whole rapids]

It's a pretty common thing.

I learnt that in B1 - well, I knew it before.

[thick charm]

Yeah but it's pretty complicated

[sudden panther]

Basic Konj II is B1.

[opal sequoia]

What is Subjunctive II?

[thick charm]

Oh the concept obviously is

[sudden panther]

Modal verbs and würde + inf.

[thick charm]

But knowing how to use it in a complicated sentence?

[whole rapids]

Konjunktiv II

[opal sequoia]

Which one is that though?

[ocean robin]

I said that I don't know the genetiv

[opal sequoia]

Oh, what Arrem said?

[whole rapids]

It's for hypothetical situations.

Then try form sentences with the genitive with the verbs that Base suggested.

or should I say

with Base's verbs.

[ocean robin]

but

[whole rapids]

no buts

[ocean robin]

seriously what is it

[opal sequoia]

Ich könnte es tun?

[sudden panther]

Ich würde gerne memen.

[whole rapids]

what is what?

[ocean robin]

oh god

[whole rapids]

the genitive?

[ocean robin]

yeeeah

[sudden panther]

Just use von.

[ocean robin]

LOL OKAY

[sudden panther]

No don't I'll ban you.

[whole rapids]

It's for indicating possession basically.

[ocean robin]

😦

[whole rapids]

you already know it in English

[ocean robin]

dunt ban me

[whole rapids]

The dog's house.

[ocean robin]

oh yeah

[opal sequoia]

👻

[whole rapids]

so in German it would be: Das Haus des Hundes.

[ocean robin]

OH YEAH

but why des

[pine ginkgo]

because it is genitive

[whole rapids]

that's how the article changes in the genitive for neuter and masculine nouns

[thick charm]

that's just the article

[ocean robin]

oh

so des - die - des

[pine ginkgo]

huh?

[whole rapids]

no

[thick charm]

http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/reference/complete-declension-tables/

[pallid kelp]

Basic Konj II is B1.
Can I has a list that enumerates the skills for each level?
Which obviously varies by source, so multiple ones are appreciated, but even just one would be good for curiosity's sake

[sudden panther]

Des der des der.

I have grammar overviews per level in the resource list.

[ocean robin]

oooh

[sudden panther]

A1 - C1

[ocean robin]

anyway let's do base's verbs

So 1 verb per sentence?

Or many as I want?

[opal sequoia]

Well, like I said, each of the verbs I listed has to be a conjugated verb in the sentence you use it in.

So it can only be 1 of those verbs per clause.

[ocean robin]

oki dokie

[pallid kelp]

the Sicher ones, Arrem? Found them, thanks

[opal sequoia]

But if you want to do a sentence with multiple clauses, you can use multiple ones.

[sudden panther]

Yeah that and Schritte for the lower levels.

[ocean robin]

Okay, thankies Base.

mmmh

god what sentences can I do

[sudden panther]

So Flops. Go. Let's see you fail and judge you. 😈

[ocean robin]

you see when flapps doesn't have inspiration

whoa arrem rude

[sudden panther]

Judge you in a motivating way.

[ocean robin]

Oh.

Wait, is fahren like "going to a place with a car"?

or something like that? 🤔

[thick charm]

yup

[ocean robin]

oki dokie then

[thick charm]

Also "Der Autofahrer" is the driver of a car specifically

[pine ginkgo]

not necessarily with a car

but with some kind of vehicle

[ocean robin]

yes I know right

you can't use fahren when you walk

[thick charm]

You can also fahren with a Fahrrad

[ocean robin]

oh yeah

ok I have a sentence in my head

[sudden panther]

Now tell us.

[pallid kelp]

but you can't fahren with a plane 🤔

[sudden panther]

Croatia would like to have a word with you Berzi.

[ocean robin]

"Danach Schule, fahre ich nach Hause für ausruhen"

🤔

[pine ginkgo]

no flaps

you had that wrong yesterday already

[ocean robin]

holy

how whai

[pine ginkgo]

danach means something like "after that"

[ocean robin]

oh yeah

[maiden creek]

Hallo Leute

[ocean robin]

whai did I do the mistake twice

🤔

[ocean robin]

wtf is this

[sudden panther]

That's how you fahren a plane.

[thick charm]

That's not a plane

that's a flugunfähiges Flugzeug

[ocean robin]

🤔

LOL ARREM

but i need to concentrate

[thick charm]

yeah Arrem

[ocean robin]

for the other word for "after" i can't have it goddamit

[thick charm]

stop distracting poor Flappsy

[ocean robin]

and I learnt that yesterday ;_;

[sudden panther]

Ban poor Flappsy.

[ocean robin]

:C

you don't wanna see me C

is that so

[sudden panther]

Fine. I'll ban you when you're C.

[ocean robin]

whai

[thick charm]

just skip c and become a german Staatsbürger

[ocean robin]

🤔

[sudden panther]

Also the other word you're looking for is simply nach. You just drop the da.

[ocean robin]

AH

[thick charm]

Just pretend you're from Alsace

[ocean robin]

WHY IS IT SO EASY

[thick charm]

Also it has to be nach + dativ

[sudden panther]

Technically that still wouldn't make you a native. 😛

[ocean robin]

🤔

[thick charm]

So you can't say "Nach Schule"

You would say..?

[ocean robin]

ah

wait I just dropped the article

[maiden creek]

Lads how are we

[ocean robin]

noice

[thick charm]

We're doing great

[maiden creek]

Where are u all from

[ocean robin]

"Nach der Schule"

[lunar urchin]

Bosnia International Airstreet

[maiden creek]

I'm from the uk (Manchester to be precise)

[ocean robin]

🇫🇷 here

[maiden creek]

Nice man

[thick charm]

[ocean robin]

"man" 👀 lul

[maiden creek]

Anyone up for a conversation

Just to practise

Natürlich auf Deustch

[ocean robin]

well

We're practising

[maiden creek]

Tut mir leid

[ocean robin]

okay so is my sentence correct now?

hehe

[maiden creek]

Ich will nicht zerstören

[thick charm]

Not quite, Flappy

There's another thing

[ocean robin]

oh

wat is it

[thick charm]

right at the end

[sudden panther]

Can you say your sentence in English?

[ocean robin]

let me see that again

"für ausruhen"

mmmh

[sudden panther]

Long story short, you're going back home to rest, not for resting.

[ocean robin]

AH

[thick charm]

and keep in mind it's a reflexive verb

[ocean robin]

so "zu ausruhen"?

yes but it's infinitive?

🤔

[sudden panther]

Aus is a separable prefix. Those are greedy fuccs and swallow the zu, pushing it to the "middle". Hence, auszuruhen. Inseparable prefixes don't do that. Zu vergessen, not verzugessen.
And the fact that it's infinitive doesn't free you from its reflexiveness.

So, next iteration?

[hot cloak]

random word i found interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sehnsucht

similar to "saudade" of portugese

[ocean robin]

whooooa nice Arrem

"Ich denke, dass German toll ist, und ich verstehe es ein bisschen."

:thinking:

[sudden panther]

Flops. Continue.

[ocean robin]

i am right woo

i saw a big blank

[sudden panther]

Finish your sentence rjfjsjfviwjfhwifhf.

[ocean robin]

i must say something else?

:thinking:

[sudden panther]

No, you must write the whole sentence with all the improvements we suggested.

[ocean robin]

OH.

"Nach Schule, fahre ich nach Hause auszuruhen"

[sudden panther]

8/10

[ocean robin]

whai 8

I want a 10

[hot cloak]

Aus are greedy fuccs, they swallow the zu

[sudden panther]

You can spot one on your own, the other one might have been my fault for not explaining things completely.

[ocean robin]

oh

oh ye nach der Schule

[sudden panther]

Good. 9/10.

So, we also mentioned that ausruhen is reflexive. And so we'll need a reflexive pronoun.

[ocean robin]

"Nach der Schule, fahre ich nach Hause auszuruhen"

Mich?

[sudden panther]

Gooood. Where do we put it?

[ocean robin]

mmmmh 🤔

"Fahre ich mich" doesn't sound true

[sudden panther]

Nah, that would mean that fahren was reflexive. What you'd need is fahre ich nach Hause, um mich auszuruhen.
Yo Arrem dude, um? Wtf?

[ocean robin]

wat

What is that um for? 🤔

[sudden panther]

Well Base explained how we combine zu with other verbs. Ich versuche zu schlafen. However when using to like "in order to", we can't just get away with a zu. We need a um...zu. Um acts like a conjunction and zu groups with the verb like you'd expect it too. So for example Ich bin hier, um etwas Neues zu lernen.

[glossy zinc]

Comment dit-on comment vas-tu en allemand ?

[ocean robin]

Wie geht's?

[lost dagger]

^

[ocean robin]

Ou alors "wir geht es dir"

[sudden panther]

Oui oui. 🐸 🐌 🇫🇷

[ocean robin]

LOL

Thank you a lot Arrem. 💯

[glossy zinc]

Ok merci

Merci

Merci

Merci

[ocean robin]

whoa

[glossy zinc]

Merci

[ocean robin]

🤔

either way Arrem

Was my second sentence true?

[sudden panther]

Glad to help Flopperino. 😄

What second sentence?

[glossy zinc]

Et comment dit-on je porte des lunettes

[ocean robin]

"Ich denke, dass Deutsch toll ist, und ich verstehe es ein bisschen." There.

[sudden panther]

German
Wanna try again? 😛

[ocean robin]

OMG LOL

@glossy zinc wait a sec

[sudden panther]

Nice. 👌

[ocean robin]

yay!

[glossy zinc]

ok

[ocean robin]

"Ich kaufe einer Tisch ein, weil ich nicht es brauche."

einkaufen 🤔

[sudden panther]

Einkaufen? 🤔

[ocean robin]

@glossy zinc "Ich trage Brille"

[glossy zinc]

Bonjour je suis Nana Mouskouri et je portes des lunettes

Merci flappers

[ocean robin]

What is wrong in there Arrem?

[glossy zinc]

Hallo ich bin Nana Mouskouri und ich trage Brille

[ocean robin]

De rien hehe

💯

[sudden panther]

Einkaufen is to buy. So unless you're silly, you're not gonna be buying a table because you don't need it. 😅

[ocean robin]

god.

I thought it was to sell.

🤔

[sudden panther]

Verkaufen 😉

[ocean robin]

well let's change the sentence a bit

"Ich kaufe einer Tisch ein, weil ich es brauche."

there.

better.

[pallid kelp]

I would use kaufen rather than einkaufen

[ocean robin]

^

[sudden panther]

Also think of einkaufen like go shopping. You wouldn't einkaufen a Tisch, you'd go einkaufen.

[ocean robin]

🤔

woah

so it's just like "i go for doing some shopping"

[hot cloak]

f

[ocean robin]

kaufen is way batter in that case

batter

[pallid kelp]

think of einkaufen as buying in a general sense rather than buying something

[ocean robin]

*better

[pallid kelp]

btw there's still an error in your sentence

[ocean robin]

is it articles?

[sudden panther]

We're taking it slowly Berzi. 😛

Yes.

[pallid kelp]

it is articles :P

[ocean robin]

I KNEW IT.

so einen? Or es?

[pallid kelp]

einen ✅

[ocean robin]

wait.

I said einer.

🤔

[sudden panther]

Yes, yes you did.

[pallid kelp]

indid you did

[ocean robin]

flopps doesn't think about accusative

[sudden panther]

Indid you deed.

[ocean robin]

Yes.

[sudden panther]

So. That's one. Einen. What's wrong with the es?

[ocean robin]

goddamit is es wrong?

I need it 🤔

wait

[sudden panther]

A tiny bit wrong.

[ocean robin]

I need what? It.

the table.

Accusative.

[sudden panther]

Does French have genders?

[pallid kelp]

yeah

[ocean robin]

Not neutral.

[pallid kelp]

m/f

(neuter)

[ocean robin]

We would say "i need her"

[pallid kelp]

la table

isn't it

[sudden panther]

Then think French. It's a male table. It has male reproductive organs and mates with female furniture to make baby tables.