general-2

[hot cloak]

and i asked her

do you speak croatian?

she said no but the two languages are very similar

like portugiesisch and spanisch

i was just trying my luc

if you know what i mean

😉

luck*

but ended up leaning that

funny fact

[whole rapids]

ah okay cool

btw it's "learning" with an "r"

[hot cloak]

typo

i know that

but thx

[whole rapids]

you did a few times before though, so wasn't sure

[hot cloak]

keyboard 😃

thx anyways

[whole rapids]

ah okay, no worries

but yes, good to try your luck

you never know

[hot cloak]

ye, you did good

my englisch is not that good anyways

so it could actualy be a real mistake

[whole rapids]

your English seems good to me, just needs a little improvement

[hot cloak]

although if my german ever gets as good as my english i will be very happy xD

It does need a LITLE improvement

[whole rapids]

very true

[hot cloak]

but it's good enough for most things

[whole rapids]

yeah

[hot cloak]

In most cases

[whole rapids]

if you were going to write a scientific thesis, might need to improve it, but otherwise it's fine

[hot cloak]

with 20% of the knowledge you can (say) do 80% of the things

say/do

[whole rapids]

indeed, it's more with specialised topics

[hot cloak]

genau

i love programming

because with very few words

you say everything

xD

With alot of detail

it's all about how you say it, the logic

[whole rapids]

hmm, I agree and disagree, depends what're you doing. I code too, and sometimes it is as you say, and sometimes it can be verbose

might be my code is just bad though

[hot cloak]

you code too? nice

[whole rapids]

yeah, that's the nice thing about programming, the logic

yah, basically my profession

I am not amazing at it but it's enjoyable

[hot cloak]

did i told you

i do it

b4?

cause i dont remember if you were here

i dont think so

anyways, what do you code?

[lavish saddle]

Oh programmers x)

Which language(s) do you guys use?

I've just started with Java pretty much

[opal sequoia]

I've been teaching myself python. 😄

[lavish saddle]

Ohh, how is it?

[opal sequoia]

Easy to use.

[lavish saddle]

I don't remember which ones were the harder ones or not, but if I remember right Phython is one of the most common beginning languages

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, it's really, really straight forward.

[hot cloak]

I started with a little of python too but changed to javascript soon after

[lavish saddle]

I should probably jump to python first

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, there's a lot of cool learning resources for it too.

[lavish saddle]

Probably not good to start at Java right from the start

[opal sequoia]

And documentation and all that.

[hot cloak]

Now I'm trying to decide if I will learn java or C# next

[lavish saddle]

My boyfriend has finished the Mooc online thing for Java

[hot cloak]

Go with java

[opal sequoia]

I'll even learn with you, Kurisu.

[hot cloak]

I wouldn't recommend java for a beginner

[lavish saddle]

and then he's taking PhP and Javascript right now for an unemployment class

I found it pretty fun to work with...I didn't even mean to start coding

[hot cloak]

Java is a statically typed language which is amazing to get a grasp of the fundamentals of programming

[lavish saddle]

My boyfriend just wanted me to look at what he was doing

and I found it interesting

[hot cloak]

The learning curve it's bigger but if you can get over it it's better to start with java, yes.

[lavish saddle]

Hm, maybe we should go at the Python then Base 😄

[hot cloak]

I'm sure @sudden panther would love to talk about Java

Python you see things getting done quicker so you get more excited early on

Yes, go with python

[lavish saddle]

I need something on the easier side with all of the math and physics I have to do with my german

[sudden panther]

mMMM.

[lavish saddle]

Otherwise I'd probably get overwhelmed

[opal sequoia]

Once you can write programs in general then it's easy to switch to something else anyway.

[hot cloak]

Hahahaa

If you want to go really simple

[sudden panther]

Java is a statically typed language which is amazing to get a grasp of the fundamentals of programming
omg can i pin that

[hot cloak]

What about C++ base

Yes you can

C++?

[opal sequoia]

I haven't tried to expand out yet. I will though.

[hot cloak]

If you are learning alone on your free time

No

I was joking

Ah ok

XD

[opal sequoia]

I will probably wait to see what I'm encouraged to learn for my future maths studies.

[quasi merlin]

I heard C++?

[sudden panther]

Ahem. Prepare yourselves to be enlightened.

[quasi merlin]

delete pArrem;

[hot cloak]

Hahaha

[sudden panther]

F E A R L E S S S C O N C U R R E N C Y

[hot cloak]

Meme

I think that python and javascript are great for beginners

[sudden panther]

Where we don't delete our shitty pointers. Because they delete themselves. Because they aren't actually shitty. And know when they're safe to drop.

[lavish saddle]

mhm mhm

I'll definitely look into starting with one of them

[opal sequoia]

You can play codewars website with me too Kurisu. 😄

[lavish saddle]

But I really liked java, so I'll probably bounce back when I'm done

[quasi merlin]

I like to iterate through maps and vectors :3

[lavish saddle]

wut is dis, Base?

[hot cloak]

Python for ... almost anything

JavaScript is the black sheep of programming

Javascript for websites, web apps, IOT

[opal sequoia]

It's a website where you just get given programming tasks to solve.

[hot cloak]

It is, but it's great and has so much support behind it

I'd advise against learning JavaScript

[opal sequoia]

codewars.com if you want, Kurisu.

[quasi merlin]

jQuery

?

[hot cloak]

Codewars, codecademy, don't do it

That was my mistake

[lavish saddle]

😮 oohhh

[opal sequoia]

Codecademy is totally different though.

[lavish saddle]

I'll try codewars

[hot cloak]

I'm pretty sure codecademy still uses python 2.7

They teach you the sintaxe but you will never learn how to really code

[opal sequoia]

Codecademy is just a short basics course.

[hot cloak]

Codewars is for people how know how to program

[crystal delta]

hackerrank ftw :^)

[hot cloak]

If you want to really learn

Download or buy a udemy course

There are a lot of amazing ones

[opal sequoia]

Why?

[lavish saddle]

Boyfriend has some

[opal sequoia]

What's the difference?

[hot cloak]

Or simply try automate stuff you do on a daily basis

[lavish saddle]

Webdeveloper bootcamp

is the one he has

[hot cloak]

That's for websites

You can get the best ones for 10€

But if you can't afford it you can get them for free

[lavish saddle]

They always have sales

[hot cloak]

Yes

[lavish saddle]

so that's cool

[hot cloak]

I would recommend buying

[opal sequoia]

What's the difference though? Why is that preferable?

What are the downsides to the alternative?

[hot cloak]

Udemy really helped me, a lot

Huh

[lavish saddle]

That's why we jumped on it and he found one he was really interested in

[hot cloak]

Codewars

Doesn't teach you how to code

[opal sequoia]

How do you mean?

[hot cloak]

The good udemy courses

In short, codewars is meant for people who know how to write fast and efficient code

Teach you the sintaxe

[opal sequoia]

But you can learn about new types of techniques that you didn't know about.

[hot cloak]

Show you how to use it in real world situation

And give you tasks to try for yourself and the show you the solution

Plus you have the teacher to help you anytime

Just buy a book and plow through that

then use stuff you learned to automate simple tasks

You can learn new techniques sure

[whole rapids]

"anyways, what do you code?"

Nothing right now because concentrating on learning German and my hands and arms are hurting lately, but I began coding the infrastructure for a game in C++ and I do random things like Project Euler or whatever I fancy in Java to keep my mind fresh

[hot cloak]

But that's for people with some knowledge already

[opal sequoia]

Oh, okay. How much knowledge is "some knowledge" though?

[whole rapids]

got stuck on Project Euler though, should really get back to it

[hot cloak]

Nice pferd

[whole rapids]

maths boggles me sometimes

but actually good to learn

[hot cloak]

How much? I have been coding for a year now and I got overwhelmed

With code fights

[opal sequoia]

Why?

What was the problem?

[hot cloak]

He first ones were fine

But then I lost 5+ hours trying to solve a problem

Mostly math problems

Instead of wasting that time making something I actually like to do

Like games

[opal sequoia]

Ah, okay. Maybe that's why I don't see it as a problem. To me, it's like, a game that's reall fun, but I learn while doing it.

But I'm into puzzles and logic games.

And maths.

[hot cloak]

I do too

In the beginning I got addicted to it

[opal sequoia]

And it teaches me how to research code by myself.

[hot cloak]

Lots of fun

[whole rapids]

oh yeah, I had that sometimes with Codility problems (although not 5 hours). No point getting frustrated if it's for fun.

[hot cloak]

But got really hard really quick

[sudden panther]

Wait wait wait wait

[opal sequoia]

You can also just choose what level you want to use. You don't have to do the hard ones.

[whole rapids]

seeing how other people do it can be very helpful though

[sudden panther]

Are we picking Kurisu's first programming language here?

[opal sequoia]

No, she's doing python.

[hot cloak]

Yes

[opal sequoia]

😉

[whole rapids]

I propose Pascal

[hot cloak]

XD

[crystal delta]

🙃 🔫

[hot cloak]

Hahaha

[whole rapids]

it's what I started with

[hot cloak]

Pascal, what a boss

[whole rapids]

all must suffer my pain

[hot cloak]

I believe you, a lot of people did

Now it's python

[whole rapids]

never even used python

[hot cloak]

Or assembly

[whole rapids]

is that the one with no curly brackets?

[crystal delta]

VHDL club anyone? 😦

[hot cloak]

Or fortran

[whole rapids]

VHDL looks a bit like C

[hot cloak]

Idk assembly, just kidding

[fair iron]

Dictionaries in Python use curly brackets. That's about it.

[hot cloak]

It's used for drivers

[whole rapids]

actually the more I look it the less it does

oh okay, I would find that confusing

probably easy to get used to but I am so used to curly brackets now, I would feel lonely without them

[hot cloak]

Hahahaha

[opal sequoia]

They're like little hugs.

[sudden panther]

Python is perfectly ok for just starting out. Don't expect to learn the proper practices of the true strong typing masterrace though.

[crystal delta]

library ieee;
use ieee.std_logic_1164.all;
use ieee.numeric_std.all;
use ieee.numeric_bit.all;
use std.textio.all;


-- ENTITY DECLARATION ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
entity xnor_self is
      PORT(x,y: IN bit; z: OUT bit);
end entity xnor_self;


-- ARCHITECTURE DECLARATION ------------------------------------------------------------------------
architecture behaviour1 of xnor_self is
     -- local declarations (use function type file component constant signal procedure subtype alias)
    CONSTANT tdhl: TIME := 25 ps;
    CONSTANT tdlh: TIME := 45 ps;
begin
   PROCESS (x,y)
   BEGIN
    IF (x=y)
    THEN z<='1' AFTER tdlh;
    ELSE z<= '0' AFTER tdhl;
    END IF;
  END PROCESS;
     
end architecture behaviour1;

doesn't look like C to me

XD

[hot cloak]

Python and javascript are amazing until you need to manage really big code, that's it.

[opal sequoia]

But you can write good programs with python, right?

If you're just wanting to write some simple things.

[fair iron]

Yes.

[hot cloak]

But you learn the logic and that's the most important

[whole rapids]

yeah I glanced at it, then upon closer inspection saw the error of my thought

[fair iron]

Python can do quite a lot.

[hot cloak]

If you just want to right simple things there is no better than python

[opal sequoia]

Do you have any recommended types of projects to do with python as practice?

[fair iron]

If you miss your curly brackets, just comment them in. ^^

[hot cloak]

Python can do almost anything

[whole rapids]

How much do you know?

[sudden panther]

Python is my go-to "I need to hack something together really fast and it doesn't need to look good at all" language.

[hot cloak]

Base mentality add me I will link you to a great python course (free of charge)

[opal sequoia]

Sure.

[fair iron]

Codecademy.com

Done.

[opal sequoia]

I did codecademy already.

[hot cloak]

With a lot of projects you can do

[quasi merlin]

I've never done anything in Python.

[fair iron]

Do it Mika.

[whole rapids]

Do you have anything in particular that you are interested in doing?

[quasi merlin]

I should learn it some time.

[whole rapids]

just hacking out something random can be educational

[fair iron]

Yes Mika.

[quasi merlin]

Casca, naw, I'm busy with C++

[hot cloak]

Make a discord bot, learn to suffer

[fair iron]

Good Mika.

[sudden panther]

I was supposed to make a prototype of an audiogame for a course, and I put it together in less than an hour with pygame. Which I hadn't used ever before that. So yeah, as far as rapid prototyping and hacking stuff together goes, I can definitely recommend python.

[fair iron]

😄

C++ is also good fun.

[sudden panther]

^ew

[quasi merlin]

It is

[crystal delta]

C# masterrace

[quasi merlin]

Well, my C++ might be a bit older. :p

[fair iron]

BASIC.

[quasi merlin]

Basic?

[hot cloak]

I'm trying to decide if I go to java or c# next

[whole rapids]

they're pretty similar

[quasi merlin]

Casca, please.

[gilded kraken]

Ah, the memories of writing BASIC in school... :3

[quasi merlin]

I need { } ( ) [ ]

[hot cloak]

Don't want to go to python because I know how hard it is with big code ... like JS

[lavish saddle]

Java, because there's a discord!

[whole rapids]

I think with generics they differ a lot but don't quote me on that

[fair iron]

Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, Mika. 😛

[quasi merlin]

Wow ;D

[crystal delta]

Java is nice and all

but kinda slow :c

[fair iron]

JavaScript > Java.

[sudden panther]

Java is a bit boilerplateish.

[quasi merlin]

Banned, Casca.

[crystal delta]

eww

[fair iron]

Kidding. ^^

[whole rapids]

blasphemy

[sudden panther]

C# is love as far as code style goes. Absolutely the most beautiful language I've seen.

[crystal delta]

^^^^^^^^

^^^^^^

[quasi merlin]

C# is good :3

[whole rapids]

Gotta agree there, it is pretty.

[fair iron]

JS is fun to mess with when you want things to break for once.

[crystal delta]

glad I started with C# 😄

[quasi merlin]

JAVA = JAVASCRIPT

(don't hurt me :p)

[whole rapids]

I like VS over Eclipse too

[hot cloak]

https://www.freeudemy.me/

Learn anything you want

[fair iron]

Notepad++.

[quasi merlin]

Sublime Text

[hot cloak]

If you can buy the real course from udemy

[crystal delta]

PSPad \o/

lol

[fair iron]

Who needs compilers.

[hot cloak]

If you want to see b4 buying ...

[fair iron]

Not me.

[whole rapids]

Poor children like me

[quasi merlin]

One day I was bored

And translated CLI code back to C#

[fair iron]

Why.

[quasi merlin]

Because I can

[fair iron]

Just why.

[quasi merlin]

BECAUSE I CAN

[fair iron]

Still. Why.

[hot cloak]

Because I can, hahahha

[quasi merlin]

LDARG.0

[fair iron]

^^

[quasi merlin]

etc.

[sudden panther]

I like VS over Eclipse too
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU ALL
JETBRAINS ❤

[fair iron]

^

[whole rapids]

what is that?

[gilded kraken]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a course on programming fundamentals? I've only really attempted to learn to code in a haphazard way (usually through Codecademy), but would like to start learning the actual theory of programming.

[fair iron]

Lua > Python, yes?

[crystal delta]

IntelliJ, PyCharm, Rider club (?)

[sudden panther]

A company that makes godlike IDEs for pretty much every more popular programming language out there.

[whole rapids]

Interesting, I will give them a look

[quasi merlin]

Oh

[sudden panther]

CLion is the only reason I can tolerate C++ without going insane.

[fair iron]

Even Java. 👀

[crystal delta]

I'll officially invite you to my club then Arrem!

xD

[whole rapids]

I only use VS because it works for me, why is this Jetbrains superior?

[quasi merlin]

Hello there, ReSharper

[hot cloak]

What is clion

[fair iron]

Cos Arrem sed so.

[hot cloak]

C++ IDE

[sudden panther]

Er, well as far as C# goes, it's not quite there yet, since they just started experimenting with a C# IDE.

[hot cloak]

I use atom

Wew

[crystal delta]

WebStorm

[hot cloak]

I code JS

[sudden panther]

But like their Java IDE is miles ahead of Eclipse. And their C++ IDE is, as I said, the only thing that makes C++ worth using.

[fair iron]

Vim.

[hot cloak]

Emacs

[sudden panther]

Oh no, here it goes boys.

[hot cloak]

Vim

Super old school

[whole rapids]

okay, sounds good, thanks for the tiperino

[crystal delta]

Casca, how do I exit Vim? Help pl0x

[sudden panther]

buy a new pc

[hot cloak]

Hahhahaha

Ikr?

[fair iron]

Heck if I know.

[lavish saddle]

nono

[hot cloak]

Fk vim

[lavish saddle]

don't buy a new one

Build one

Dx

[whole rapids]

I think I will be made to use either at any job I get but no point to suffer at home

[quasi merlin]

Ctrl + C?

[hot cloak]

Esc

[fair iron]

Too easy, must be wrong.

[hot cloak]

Sq

[crystal delta]

Be a student -> get all the JetBrains IDE's for free -> 🎉

[hot cloak]

Save + quit

q

[fair iron]

First, you press the Windows key.

[hot cloak]

I don't use vim in a long time

[quasi merlin]

Vim is for Unix-based systems, isn't it?

[hot cloak]

Used it when I was leaning bash

Te

Ja

[fair iron]

Yep. ^^

[sudden panther]

❤

[quasi merlin]

Why Ctrl + C doesn't work :<

[fair iron]

🐱 definitely is the best.

[hot cloak]

Notepad is the best

Paint for graphics

Because posix based systems don't accept CTRL-C as sigterm

[quasi merlin]

:(

[fair iron]

ALT F4. :)

[whole rapids]

you just cry until it works

worked for me

[fair iron]

You unplug Vim and plug it back in. 🤔

[harsh socket]

Vim has a learning curve that is a straight vertical line

[hot cloak]

Hahhahaha

[harsh socket]

(quit vim with Esc, then type :q!)

[hot cloak]

wq

[harsh socket]

or that

if you're saving

[hot cloak]

If you want to save

[harsh socket]

Ja

[hot cloak]

Q! If you are mad and just want that thing out of your face

and most important

[harsh socket]

Was er... spreckt...

[hot cloak]

i

[harsh socket]

Wort.

[hot cloak]

If you want to type

Vim 101

[fair iron]

So this is what happens if I mention Vim. Interesting. ^^

[hot cloak]

Hahahaha

😄

[quasi merlin]

We can talk about other stuff.

[hot cloak]

Sure

Ja

Yes

Sim

Si

Oui

[harsh socket]

Nein.

[hot cloak]

We just found a community of pseudo programmers

In a leaning german community

[quasi merlin]

Wait, I have to think

[hot cloak]

That only speak English

And now you want to speak about something else?

[quasi merlin]

Shit, I think I found a bug in my code.

[hot cloak]

In a german leaning community*

[sudden panther]

Er.

This server is loaded with CS people, actually haha.

[lavish saddle]

^

[hot cloak]

So what was the conclusion? Java or C sharp?

[quasi merlin]

C++

<'3

[lavish saddle]

J-Javaaaa

xD

[quasi merlin]

C#

[hot cloak]

Cs people?

[sudden panther]

Mika you're banned.

[quasi merlin]

delete m_pArrem;

[harsh socket]

Ich bin de software entwickler beim mein arbeit

[crystal delta]

Objective C obviously

[hot cloak]

Entwickler beim?

[quasi merlin]

m_vPeopleIHate.push_back(pArrem);

[sudden panther]

pub fn drop<T>(_x: T) { }

[quasi merlin]

<'3

[hot cloak]

I will lean both

Can't decide

[harsh socket]

@hot cloak entwickler is "Developer" beim is "at"

[sudden panther]

The complete definition of Rust's drop function, which deletes a given variable from memory. That's all there is. 😍

[harsh socket]

i think.

[lavish saddle]

beim would be wrong in that case

[harsh socket]

ich denke.

[hot cloak]

Danke dark, das it's Toll

[lavish saddle]

arbeit is die

so if anything it would be bei meiner Arbeit

[honest torrent]

kurisu bed time

[lavish saddle]

but it sounds wrong

...

-_-

I go to bed when I wanna

I am a big girl

[honest torrent]

yee

xcuse me

[hot cloak]

🙂

[honest torrent]

i forgot

[harsh socket]

Ach. Ich hasse die/der/das

[hot cloak]

Hasse?

Hate?

[lavish saddle]

mhm

[hot cloak]

I do

[whole rapids]

makes sense that CS people wanting to learn German would likely congregate online

using that techno smarts

[hot cloak]

I was thinking about that

[harsh socket]

Geschlechtern sind für die vogeln.

[hot cloak]

Does it?

XD

[lavish saddle]

*Ich bin Softwareentwickler als Beruf

[harsh socket]

Ja, das.

[lavish saddle]

sounds better

[harsh socket]

Der einzige bei mein job.

[crystal delta]

I bims 1 Softwareentwickler vong Beruf her

pleasedontkillme 💔

[lavish saddle]

....stop you meme

DX

I hate those

[harsh socket]

Was?

Nicht versteht

[crystal delta]

reddit murdered my brain 😦

[quasi merlin]

Brudi

Meins auch

[crystal delta]

Ü

[hot cloak]

Wie sagt man "im going to bed"

[harsh socket]

XD

[whole rapids]

Ich gehe ins Bett (I think)

[lavish saddle]

Ich gehe ins Bett

[hot cloak]

Ich gehe ins Bett, tschüs!

[whole rapids]

Ciao, schlaf gut

[harsh socket]

or schlafen

[quasi merlin]

Oh my god

[hot cloak]

Danke

[lavish saddle]

Just...no xD

These jokes

[crystal delta]

aua

[whole rapids]

is that dialect?

[lavish saddle]

no

[crystal delta]

NO

[lavish saddle]

XD

[quasi merlin]

NO

[crystal delta]

PLEASE NO

[whole rapids]

oh thank god

[lavish saddle]

xD no no

[quasi merlin]

That's a meme

[lavish saddle]

A very bad meme

[whole rapids]

memes seep into real life sometimes

[quasi merlin]

Kurisutina, MY EYES

:D

[lavish saddle]

Where the entire language

is just wut

😄

[whole rapids]

is memeified

[crystal delta]

I should not have started again, redirect all the blame to me please

[quasi merlin]

Jokus, Brudi

[lavish saddle]

It's all of your fault

xD

You triggered the vong flashbacks

My boyfriend finds them funny and reads them outloud

....

Send help

[whole rapids]

what is vong

[lavish saddle]

the meme

[quasi merlin]

Meme-version of "von"/"vom"

[whole rapids]

I will google

[lavish saddle]

x(

[crystal delta]

I got furious in front of the screen when I saw that shit posted everywhere and now? it destroyed me 😦 😦

[quasi merlin]

Don't google it.

It will destroy your brain.

[lavish saddle]

Your eyes

the will melt

[quasi merlin]

And make you unable to learn German.

[lavish saddle]

xD

[harsh socket]

Nicht mag den memes

[whole rapids]

I bims zurück vong Zeit her

[harsh socket]

Check the pinned messages. "This is not a meme channel"

[quasi merlin]

Oh

My

God

We lost Pferd.

R.I.P

[harsh socket]

...vong?

[quasi merlin]

NO

[lavish saddle]

....

[quasi merlin]

STOP

[lavish saddle]

R.I.P

[whole rapids]

I think I should show this to all Germans I know

[lavish saddle]

They probably know it

[whole rapids]

how disgusted will they be, I wonder

[quasi merlin]

R.I.P in peace

[whole rapids]

maybe, they're not so in touch with their meme side though

vong makes me think of Vietcong though

[jaunty vine]

https://youtu.be/O294E5cOiFM

[quasi merlin]

STAHP

[harsh socket]

"Was lernst du?"
"Ich lerne Deutsch memes."

"Ohh es ist.... guuuttt..."

[crystal delta]

let's try to get rid of that horrible meme for now shall we? 😄

[quasi merlin]

Yes.

Hi, Cat.

How are you?

[crystal delta]

Servus

Alles klaro 👌

[quasi merlin]

Das ist gut.

[crystal delta]

Bei dir auch? 😉

[quasi merlin]

Jo, bei mir auch.

[crystal delta]

na wunderbar 🎉

morgen keine Schule denke ich mal? ^_^

[quasi merlin]

Hab immer noch frei

Ich krieg Freitag mein Abi-Zeugnis :o

[crystal delta]

Glück gehabt ^_^

oha xD

dann wirds ja diese Woche nochma spannend bei dir 😛

[quasi merlin]

Naja, ich kenne alle Ergebnisse

[crystal delta]

gibts nochmal ne Feier danach?

[quasi merlin]

Und Samstag ist Abiball :3

[crystal delta]

aaaha

die Aussage stimmt also doch noch so halb ^_^

[quasi merlin]

:D

[crystal delta]

Also ich hab so das komische Gefühl, dass wir gerade einfach jeden abgehängt haben 😦 Keiner schreibt mehr xD

[quasi merlin]

Das Gefühl hab ich auch. 😅

[crystal delta]

Sorry y'all if that was too much lol

[whole rapids]

Nein, es ist gut für Belauschen

[harsh socket]

Nein, es ist gut. Es ist schwehr, aber ja.

Ja, das. ^

viele worte ich nicht kenne D:

viele worte

[crystal delta]

kommt alles noch 👍

[harsh socket]

meisten naechte

[jaunty vine]

Es muss ein interessantes Gefühl sein, zu wissen, dass manche Leute lesen alles was sie schreiben

Das "zu wissen" ist falsch, nicht?

[whole rapids]

Ich glaube, dass man daran nicht denkt, wenn er schreibt

[harsh socket]

nun, es ist ein chat-raum

[crystal delta]

also wissen tu ich das schon 😄 Soll ja auch so sein! Wenn ich unbedingt eine private Unterhaltung haben will gibt es ja noch Direktnachrichten

[harsh socket]

Nachrichten? Wie in zeitungen?

[crystal delta]

direct/private messages ^

[harsh socket]

Deutsch ist schwehr.

[jaunty vine]

Jedenfalls hat man Pression(?) nicht falsch zu schreiben

[harsh socket]

This lady was telling me that she was looking for those things that go on tables at fancy dinners and hold the numbers for each table. And she was wondering what they were called. She said, if this was German, it would be just... "Tablenumberholder"

[crystal delta]

lol

😛

[harsh socket]

tabellenummerhalter

i suppose

[quasi merlin]

Tischnummernhalter

[crystal delta]

table = Tisch, number = Nummer, holder = Halter

ayyy

thanks Police Officer 😮

[quasi merlin]

Google knows that word.

[crystal delta]

xD

[jaunty vine]

War mein "zu wissen" früher falsch?

[harsh socket]

nice

[quasi merlin]

The "zu wissen" was correct.

[harsh socket]

Längere Worte sind formaler. Jeder weiss das.

[whole rapids]

Do those things have names, on tables?

[quasi merlin]

But you have to switch positions of "lesen" and "alles".

[crystal delta]

also I wouldn't use "sie" 😄

[quasi merlin]

^

[jaunty vine]

Du?

[harsh socket]

sie = she/they right?

[jaunty vine]

Oh right i meant ihr

[harsh socket]

Ach, ja. Ja.

[whole rapids]

or refer to us as royalty

with Ihr

[jaunty vine]

Do you do that with ihr? Not Sie?

[harsh socket]

How would I say I love you all

[whole rapids]

it seems to be, dunno if it's archaic

[harsh socket]

like, ICH LIEBE IHR

or ICH LIEBE SIE

[whole rapids]

ich liebe euch?

[crystal delta]

close

there we go

😄

[harsh socket]

mit oder ohne schreien

[whole rapids]

"Ich liebe euch" schrie Craig

[harsh socket]

ja

Euch?! Das is... Neu.

[crystal delta]

but that just says "I love you", one word is missing!!

xD

[whole rapids]

euch is ihr in accusative and dative

[sudden panther]

One word is missing? 🤔

[jaunty vine]

Alle euch?

[harsh socket]

Neu worte immer.

[sudden panther]

Ich liebe euch Memeroonis? 🤔

[crystal delta]

How would I say I love you all

[whole rapids]

Ich liebe vong

[quasi merlin]

Pferd, banned.

[harsh socket]

XD

[sudden panther]

Oh, yeah definitely go with Ich liebe euch Memeroonies.

[crystal delta]

Ich liebe euch X

[whole rapids]

Vergeb mich

[harsh socket]

Yuuzhan Vong

[quasi merlin]

Vergib mir*

And okay.

[crystal delta]

@jaunty vine the other way around ^_^

[sudden panther]

ja pferd du bist 1 nices Kind

[crystal delta]

Ich liebe euch alle

[whole rapids]

thanks

[crystal delta]

Neeeein Arrem XD

[quasi merlin]

Arrem, ich bin enttäuscht.

[jaunty vine]

Du bimst*

[harsh socket]

Yuuzhan Vong, von Krieg der Sterne

[crystal delta]

Fang nicht schon wieder damit an

[sudden panther]

vong memeigkeit her

[quasi merlin]

"nice" ist kein Meme. :<

[sudden panther]

1 is though

[whole rapids]

nice, nicer, am nicesten

[harsh socket]

alles sind memes

[sudden panther]

It used to be your favorite meme, Mika. 😦

[harsh socket]

ALLES SIND MEMES

[jaunty vine]

Würde das nicht "am niceigsten"

[whole rapids]

I am finding that Phil Laude channel hilarous

ich weiß es nicht

[harsh socket]

ich will das auf einem t-shirt "ALLES SIND MEMES"

[quasi merlin]

"ALLES" IS SINGULAR, THOUGH.

[sudden panther]

that would be a shitty tshirt

[jaunty vine]

Gibt es kein Verdeutscherung von nice, etwas wie "Neiß"?

[harsh socket]

ALLES IST MEMES

[jaunty vine]

In Schweden sagen wir "najs"

[harsh socket]

"najs" 😐

vong najs

[crystal delta]

Mika this time blame Arrem okay?

😄

[whole rapids]

Der Postillion ist auch lustig bei mir, obwohl ich nicht immer alles verstehe

[sudden panther]

I will gladly take the blame for not educating the poor soul how to make a proper meme.

[quasi merlin]

I always blame Arrem anyway.

[sudden panther]

You need a shirt saying "OLLE SAN MEMERS "

[crystal delta]

🔪

[quasi merlin]

Then he bans me.

[crystal delta]

@sudden panther Eins, zwei, drei... বিল্লি kommt vorbei 😼

[sudden panther]

Wos haste gegen Österreich? 🇦🇹 😦

[jaunty vine]

Wie sagt man deinen Name?

[sudden panther]

Billy.

[crystal delta]

das sag ich Annie 😿

XD

[sudden panther]

Na guuuaaad.

Bil ly.

[crystal delta]

👀

[jaunty vine]

Billi

[whole rapids]

random question

[quasi merlin]

Random answer

[crystal delta]

42

[quasi merlin]

5

[sudden panther]

Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me.

[whole rapids]

is it rude to say Meine Herren und Damen instead of the typical way?

[crystal delta]

tss tss tss

Ladies first!

XD

[quasi merlin]

*Damen und Herren

[sudden panther]

He asked if he can put the Herren first.

[quasi merlin]

Oh

He can't.

[whole rapids]

bitte

[crystal delta]

Shit mate, Pferd seems to be against the established System, we have to do something about it!

[whole rapids]

is that just the convention then, no one would gasp and tut at me if I did it accidentally-on-purpose?

[crystal delta]

Jokes aside, I've never heard anyone say it that way. Has a weird tone to me if you'd do it the other way around XD

[quasi merlin]

I'm against the system of trying to assign biological sex to plural forms of nouns.

IT

DOESN'T

WORK

[harsh socket]

ja

alles sind "die"

"die" fur immer

[crystal delta]

deal with it Mika

[harsh socket]

"die" fur alle dinge

[quasi merlin]

Well, I have to deal with it. <.<

[harsh socket]

"die" fur alle der dingen

[quasi merlin]

But I still hate it. :D

[whole rapids]

Die Kind wird eine Mann

[harsh socket]

ja

[quasi merlin]

The poor grammar :(

[harsh socket]

Die Kind wird ein Mann

"ein" fur alles der dingen

[whole rapids]

stimmt

kein declension

[jaunty vine]

Or just merge them all so everyone can be happy "diers"

[harsh socket]

So, honest question, with all the gender/trans equality stuff (in the States, at least), is there any movement being made advocating the un-gendering of Deutsch?

[crystal delta]

not really

if you mean getting rid of der/die/das

[jaunty vine]

And also what does German use for gender-neutral pronoun?

[crystal delta]

that's not gonna happen xD sorry^^

[harsh socket]

the nouns have no indicator of gender. in spanish, it has "o" vs "a" for female and male

[quasi merlin]

We don't have a gender-neutral pronoun.

So you gotta ask.

[harsh socket]

in Deutsch it's literally just random

Am i right? No easy way to tell die/das/der ein/eine

[quasi merlin]

el día

checkmate

[whole rapids]

there are ways to tell

[quasi merlin]

There are endings in German, too

[whole rapids]

for example, -ung, -heit, -keit, -schaft are always feminine IIRC

[quasi merlin]

-heit, -keit, -tion, -ung etc.

[whole rapids]

months and seasons are masculine

[whole rapids]

and other random patterns

[harsh socket]

Deutsch is lustig und dumm.

[quasi merlin]

But I don't know good rules for plural forms. :D

[whole rapids]

I thought that gold and silver was a gun at first

[twilit garden]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9EbvijZiW2Fang4V2s5QXgyNTA/view

[whole rapids]

all words that end in -o seem to have -s

for plural

[harsh socket]

@jaunty vine ❤ ❤ ❤

[whole rapids]

best thing to do, I find, is that when you learn a new word, learn it with the article

[harsh socket]

Deutsche Sprache, Schwehre Sprache.

[whole rapids]

remember better that way

[quasi merlin]

*schwere

[harsh socket]

ja das

see? schwere as hell

[quasi merlin]

Yes, it's really scissors, you're right.

Oh, you edited :(

[harsh socket]

Deutsch ist einfach ekelhaft Englisch

[quasi merlin]

You need *schwer there because there's no noun following.

[crystal delta]

Also ich muss euch jetzt leider alleine lassen. Bettchen ruft 😊 Gute Nacht

[quasi merlin]

Du lässt uns immer allein. :(

[harsh socket]

Fleisch? Wie Haut? ...Nein danke...?

[quasi merlin]

Gute Nacht, Cat.

[harsh socket]

Gute Nacht Katze

[jaunty vine]

Ich auch, die Sonne ist schon auf 🙃

[whole rapids]

Ich gehe ins Bett, weil ich einen Termin mit Träumen habe. Tschüss

[harsh socket]

TERMIN MIT TRAEUMEN ❤

genial.

[dire sentinel]

was geht

[dire lark]

es geht mir gut

und du?

[dire sentinel]

🤔 wie sagt man "sick"

[dire lark]

krank?

[dire sentinel]

dann ich bin krank

aber alles gut

die Sonne scheint

[dire lark]

das ist gut 😃

nicht das du bist krank, aber du bist glucklich

[dire sentinel]

ja klar :p

und morgen, ich gehe nicht zum Arbeit

mehr schlaf fur mich

[dire lark]

Das ist gut!

Mein Internet ist kaputt :(

[opal sequoia]

):

[dire lark]

Es funktioniert jetzt

(ist das korrekt?)

[dire sentinel]

🤔 ich denke

[dire lark]

Ich lerne Deutsche seit eine Woche vor

[dire sentinel]

Sehr gut, für ein woche

[opal sequoia]

Ja, stimmt.

Warum "vor"?

[dire lark]

I was trying to find out how to say ago

I remember @topaz escarp telling me I could use seit for a few weeks, but in truth it's about to be a week so I tried to change what he told me with what I know

[opal sequoia]

Oh, I think it's just "seit eine Woche". Although I am also a learner so don't trust my word. Just check it.

[dire lark]

oh, danke

[dire sentinel]

tbh I use google translate a ton when i dunno

maybe its a bad habit

[dire lark]

I try to use it for certain words at times, but never sentences

then again I probably know more words than grammer that also isn't in English at this point

[opal sequoia]

It's fine when you're just trying to kind of adjust to the language. As long as you're not taking the translation as accurate.

But sometimes you just need a way to get the words into your head quickly, I can understand that.

[dire lark]

I started a book on grammar though

[topaz escarp]

i was marked omg im scared

xD

[opal sequoia]

Haha.

[dire lark]

nich fur ein schlecht Grund

@topaz escarp

[dire sentinel]

the grammar of german is honestly the hardest part for me

dativ, akkusativ, the other ones,

tbh Ich verstehe es nicht

[topaz escarp]

xD

[opal sequoia]

It's something you get used to. Trust me, it's not as scary as it seems.

You just have to trust yourself.

[dire lark]

Idk how to do "Ü" on linux

[dire sentinel]

QQ ty for believing in me

[opal sequoia]

Oh, btw, so when you're using "vor" or "seit", I think it works like this. You use "vor" when you mean "a week ago" and "seit" when you mean "for a week". But not both together.

[dire lark]

oh ok

danke

[opal sequoia]

Ich begann vor einer Woche, Deutsch zu lernen. Ich lerne Deutsch seit einer Woche. << Maybe like that.

[dire sentinel]

it's hard to understand where to break the sentence too, real weird

wie lange haben sie gelernt, basementality?

[opal sequoia]

What do you mean?

[dire sentinel]

Like,

[opal sequoia]

Oh, hmm... ein paar Jahren.

[dire sentinel]

"I began a week ago, learning german" in english wouldn't have the break for a comma

[clever steppe]

woul german either?

i usually break it at like

[dire sentinel]

so ich weiß nicht

[clever steppe]

because, then, than etc

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, if you use a zu verb you need the comma.

[dire sentinel]

ohhh

[opal sequoia]

But you don't usually use zu with modal verbs, I believe.

Again, don't take my word for it, just fair warning.

[clever steppe]

well, i guess in english you break it up as well

a week ago, i began learning german

[opal sequoia]

But like "Ich möchte Deutsch lernen" vs "Ich begann, Deutsch zu lernen."

[dire sentinel]

hadn't thought of it that way I guess

Makes sense

[opal sequoia]

Maybe möchte isn't the right verb to use there/ 🤔

But anyway, yeah.

[dire lark]

does anyone know how to use the german alphabet on linux?

[opal sequoia]

Sorry, I'm not sure. I have an intl US keyboard setting on Windows.

[clever steppe]

try right alt + the key

[opal sequoia]

Is there such a thing on linux?

[dire lark]

nein

not sure if it depends on window manager, or if its on the X server

lets try google

[waxen yoke]

hier ist ja noch was los!

Nabend!

[dire lark]

Guten Abend!

[dire sentinel]

wow ich verstehe das nicht

[waxen yoke]

@dire lark still got keyboard layout prob?

[dire sentinel]

idk how on windows either, tbh i copy paste the letters

my secret shame

bc i'm too lazy to turn on the german kb

[dire lark]

on windows you do alt+numpad code

[waxen yoke]

speaking about Umlauts?

[dire sentinel]

ye

[dire lark]

ja

oh ffs it depends on window manager

[opal sequoia]

@dire sentinel You can install the INTL US keyboard. And then just switch to it easily. 😃

[dire sentinel]

am lazy

wish this channel had :ossloth:

[waxen yoke]

get AutoHotKeys or what; write a scriplet; whenever you input ";ae" or something, for example, replace with Umlaut

also a method 😉

[opal sequoia]

Please creepy.

[waxen yoke]

or take the html code "ä" if that its too much work

[opal sequoia]

Do it for me.

[dire sentinel]

Alright you've moved me i'll do it

[clever steppe]

http://stefaanlippens.net/accented-characters-on-qwerty-keyboard/

[opal sequoia]

Thank you! ❤

[clever steppe]

no idea if thats the exact OS in question, but it seemed relevant

[dire sentinel]

ööööö look at me go

what's the reputation stuff for in the bot channel

[dire sentinel]

ich gehe ins bett bis später

[waxen yoke]

gn8

[lost dagger]

I'm making rice and it's not gonna be ready for another 50 minutes and it's already 4:18 am please help me

[severe furnace]

😦

[hot cloak]

50 min rip

[opal sequoia]

Eat it raw.

Btw, I think you're a great person, @lost dagger

[lost dagger]

Aw 😃

The rice wouldn't think so though, it's currently simmering

[opal sequoia]

True.

Rice is selfish.

That's why we eat it.

[hot cloak]

what did you do to make it so mad?

[opal sequoia]

@hot cloak I hope your day is going well.

[hot cloak]

oh thank you

i hope yours ...went? well too

[opal sequoia]

Hmm, thanks.

[hot cloak]

you ok base?

[opal sequoia]

Sure.

[lavish saddle]

What kind of rice takes 50 minutes quq?

R.I.P I'm never buying that rice

[opal sequoia]

Get a rice cooker.

[lost dagger]

I usually make white rice but this is brown basmati, takes 2-3x as long as white basmati to cook

[lavish saddle]

Whoa

I will be avoiding that rice x-x

[lost dagger]

Look at this cute spiber

[lavish saddle]

ewww

kill it with fire

[lost dagger]

It's too high to reach

[lavish saddle]

Are you in Australia by chance, cuz it looks scary

q.q

[lost dagger]

no, I bet they have even bigger scarier spiders there

[whole rapids]

Sie ist eine freundliche Spinne

[lavish saddle]

Sie ist keine freundliche Spinne

[whole rapids]

Doch

[twilit garden]

Ich glaub, ich spinne

🥁

[opal sequoia]

You should put a warning on those kind of pictures.

[lost dagger]

Sorry

[opal sequoia]

It's no problem. ❤

Sorry, I shouldn't say it so seriously.

[lost dagger]

What the heck

My rice is crunchy

[lavish saddle]

........

not worth the wait quq

Long corn rice for the win

[whole rapids]

je billiger der Reis, desto leckerer

[lost dagger]

haha stimmt

[opal sequoia]

@hot cloak So like what ways do you do mental maths now?

[hot cloak]

I dunno

I uh

some things come really quick

others should be faster

[opal sequoia]

Dw if it's not worth chatting about .I'm just always interested in this kind of topic. (:

[hot cloak]

like certain multiplication that I didn't learn in times tables when I was younger

I'd like to be really fast at multiplying

[fair iron]

As you mentioned before, Base, patterns help a bunch.

[opal sequoia]

Yeah. There are a ton of cool tricks.

[hot cloak]

I'm already pretty good at maths, just my mental maths is probably about average

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fair iron]

For example: Squaring a number ending in 5.

Is incredibly simple.

[pine ginkgo]

being able to visualize your thoughts is a big help

[opal sequoia]

How so Casca?

[hot cloak]

speaking of visualizing

[pine ginkgo]

i visualize myself doing the multiplication on paper lul

[opal sequoia]

A really basic one for the times table. For any number multiplied by 9, the numbers add up to 9, and the first number of the result is 1 less than the actual number you multiply by. So 3*9 = 27.

[fair iron]

Well, the answer will always end in 25.
Using the example of 85^2:

Split the 5 at the end from the rest:
85 becomes 8 and 5.
The 8 will become n.

Then calculate n(n+1).
Then write the 25 at the end.

[opal sequoia]

So any patterns like that help.

[fair iron]

So 85 is:
(8*9) with a 25 at the end.

Which is 7225.

[pine ginkgo]

ooh, i didnt know about this

[opal sequoia]

Cool, Casca. I didn't know that one either.

I will remember it.

[hot cloak]

that's really interesting

so another example

115^2
11(11+1) = 132
13225?

[fair iron]

Furthermore:
11^2 = 121
111^2 = 12321
1111^2 = 1234321
Et cetera.

[opal sequoia]

Yeah.

[hot cloak]

I see

[fair iron]

Correct, Daniel.

[hot cloak]

that's really cool

[pine ginkgo]

the 11~ one is super fun :D

[hot cloak]

Thanks for the trick

[opal sequoia]

And the other thing, besides recognizing the patterns, is learning how to recognize how to break up numbers to make best use of the patterns.

[pine ginkgo]

i always forget the division rule for 7 ehehe

[opal sequoia]

What's that one?

[pine ginkgo]

well yeah

i wish i could tell you now :D

[fair iron]

Take the list digit, double it, and subtract it from the rest of the number. If that answer is divisible by 7, so is the whole number.

[opal sequoia]

Oh okay.

Why does that work?

[fair iron]

No idea whatsoever.

Finding out whether a number is divisible by 3 is easy enough.

So I assume that doesn't need to be explained.

[hot cloak]

I'm only finding out about these now lol

[fair iron]

Same for 2 and 5.

[hot cloak]

wow maths is so freaking cool

[fair iron]

Yep. ^^

How about a magic trick to do with numbers?

[hot cloak]

Sure

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, I think this is partly why I got so into maths in early school years.

Figuring out these patterns was really fun and exciting.

[hot cloak]

Like I think it's a bit embarassing that I can't get things like 48+36 faster

[fair iron]

One sec.

[hot cloak]

84 of course

[opal sequoia]

It's not embarassing. The human brain really isn't designed to deal with big numbers easily.

[hot cloak]

I'm getting better at it though

[opal sequoia]

We have to teach ourselves workarounds.

[hot cloak]

I've started calculating it a bit more efficiently

I used to try add them in one chunk which was a bit weird alright

Now I've started doing like 40+30=70 + (8+6) = 84

[pine ginkgo]

how are you calculating it?

ah nice

[opal sequoia]

The way I would most easily add a numbers like that is: 50 + 30 + 4

[pine ginkgo]

how do you do it for multiplication?

[opal sequoia]

Although either way is fine of course.

[hot cloak]

My multiplication can't be too efficient

[fair iron]

Okay.

[pine ginkgo]

there are several methods to make multiplication faster

[fair iron]

Daniel, think of a number with up to 9 digits, where each digit only appears once.

Write it down, if that helps.