Morroblivion | Nexus Mods | Page 1

sullen grove Sep 3, 2021, 7:40 PM

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https://morroblivion.com/

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@halcyon fjord ping to let you know the thread is here

halcyon fjord Sep 3, 2021, 7:43 PM

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never used a thread but seem like good reason to

sullen grove Sep 3, 2021, 7:43 PM

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this does seem like their intended purpose

halcyon fjord Sep 3, 2021, 7:44 PM

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i'll be a bit more active on this topic later

sullen grove Sep 3, 2021, 7:45 PM

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alright
my working theory is
if we put everything the mod adds to the data folder in its own folder
we can add said folder to the mod manager

halcyon fjord Sep 3, 2021, 7:46 PM

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i work from root folder but essentially, yes

sullen grove Sep 3, 2021, 7:47 PM

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so youll test it first? or should we both work on it?

halcyon fjord Sep 3, 2021, 7:49 PM

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Theres going to be multiple things to debate
& a few different possible ways to integrate
but more or less, you do things in your way
then we can compare process to finalize it
If interested in it being a reproducible task

sullen grove Sep 3, 2021, 7:51 PM

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alright
ill test my idea with mo2 then
plus if it all works it can be a resource for other people who want the mod

halcyon fjord Sep 3, 2021, 8:20 PM

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can most definitely make it work but my goal would be to optimize the workload, while also preserving a pure vanilla profile state in either manager - which is why i had suggested MO2 Root Builder being similar to vortex in process

sullen grove Sep 3, 2021, 8:23 PM

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vortex keeps the root folder clean?

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cause i remember having to install fo4se to the root folder with vortex

halcyon fjord Sep 3, 2021, 8:25 PM

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Yup. Its had root support since launch

sullen grove Sep 3, 2021, 8:26 PM

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never knew that
i jumped off vortex pretty quickly because i had an issue with it an pretty much every vortex support thread becomes “just use mo2 instead”

halcyon fjord Sep 3, 2021, 8:27 PM

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I'm fluent in both tho so, MO2 i can do
& i won't bother with vortex details etc

sullen grove Sep 3, 2021, 8:28 PM

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alright

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:02 AM

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Ok so, i installed morroblivion but placed everything in a mod folder that i put into mo2

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that looks to be all that was needed

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:07 AM

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i'll throw in my observations tonight
is it possible to redirect install paths

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:10 AM

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so what i did was

download the installer and the resources
use the installer
take the morroblivion esm out of the data folder and into a mod folder

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extract all the resources into said mod folder
putting the mod folder into mo2

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the morroblivion folder looks like this

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:13 AM

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did you straight up delete Oblivion .esm

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:14 AM

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no
its grayed out so mo2 doesnt let you reorder/disable it

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cause you know
its the main esm

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:15 AM

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at first glance that looks destructive

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:16 AM

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it was grayed out before i installed morroblivion

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:16 AM

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is it still physically in your Data folder tho

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:17 AM

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yeah
i didnt make any changes to the actual data folder

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aside from removing the esm the installer placed

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all the oblivion dlc is there too

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:19 AM

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i'll have to run through it myself
to better understand pic posted

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:19 AM

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ill try running the game
i havent been able to until now, stuff came up

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ah i see

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whats confusing you?

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:21 AM

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not confused so much as more wondering the damage installer does for other vanilla profile

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:23 AM

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all it does is put the esm in the data folder

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thats it

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the resources folder has the stuff the esm actually uses

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honestly
i think the installer is just to make sure people using the mod actually have both games

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could be 100% wrong though

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:27 AM

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on my phone i didn't see Oblivion
in right pane. My eye glazed over

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:27 AM

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ooooh
thats the morroblivion mod folder

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not the oblivion data folder

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thats why you dont see it

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OH

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i see now

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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if it's simpler than expected than good
I'm still going to run thru Root Builders
& do a full test for its profile swaps etc

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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yeah
it was pretty much following the official instructions but instead of the oblivion data folder, its a mod folder

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of course
now comes the testing

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:55 AM

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Does it pass a steam verification check

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:56 AM

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?

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it opens
if that answers your question

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 12:58 AM

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meant if it tries to replace any files
I'll find out soon enough. No worry

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 12:58 AM

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how would i know if such a thing occurred

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ok

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the game seems ok

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started in morrowinds prisonship

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which is supposed to happen

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 1:04 AM

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& Vanilla Oblivion with mod disabled?

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 1:04 AM

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let me test rn

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looks good

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oblivion opening video
starts in the prison

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 1:08 AM

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Interesting. Nehrim one was more complicated

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 1:09 AM

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i think this was easier to do than ttw ironically

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how did nehrim work?

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looks like its on steam
did that not make it easier?

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 1:20 AM

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i don't remember details atm except that it was probably more like ttw in that it shoves a whole bunch of extra shit in root ÷ cpl vanilla file edit. Didn't try the steam version's copy at the time

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 1:22 AM

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all ttw puts in the root is the 4gb patch and nvse

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in fact anything the guide says to put in the root folder is stuff that you would just want in general

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like performance boosters

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 1:24 AM

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which can all be managed by Root Builder

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 1:25 AM

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yeah but its stuff id just want in general and thus, not remove

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thats just me personally

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 1:26 AM

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my rule is nothing left unmanaged
Moot point for now. Glad it works
but idea is to be completely clean

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 1:28 AM

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yep
mission accomplished it seems

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i wanted to be able to control morroblivion with mo2 and i got that so

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im calling this a success

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Challenge

denied

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 1:29 AM

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denied?

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 1:29 AM

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i wanted something difficult armscrossed

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 1:30 AM

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ha
fair enough

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thanks for your help

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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why tf does this even need an installer

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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like i said
i think its a way to check if the person actually owns the games
to avoid legal issues

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thats just my guess though

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 3:52 AM

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what legal issues

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 3:52 AM

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i dont know, piracy?
im just spitballin

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Unless resources are MW assets
which means it's already pirating

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 3:53 AM

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maybe the morrooblivon esm uses your morrowind files?

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 3:53 AM

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nope. It's absolutely pointless

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 3:54 AM

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i guess you could always ask them
i think they have a discord

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i am actually interested in this now

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what does the installer do

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 3:58 AM

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installs an .esm & then updates it

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 3:59 AM

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but then theres a seperate exe the also updates the esm

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 3:59 AM

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yeah

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 3:59 AM

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i suppose it doesnt really matter
as long as it works, yknow

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:00 AM

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i'm thinking resources are ripped

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:00 AM

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i was thinking that too
thats what ttw does

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:01 AM

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ttw installer actually converts it
& doesn't provide any resource
Except for nvse & JIP magically

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:02 AM

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ah
makes you wonder how morroblivion works

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:03 AM

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sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:04 AM

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i meant like
how does it combine the games

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:04 AM

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distributing pirated content pipbsweat

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:04 AM

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i kinda wanna ask now
youd think id get an answer

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:05 AM

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maybe ~~we should delete this thread~~

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:05 AM

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oh yeah lol

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i dont think you actually delete threads

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itll just auto archive if we stop talking in it

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:06 AM

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private server ones you can

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:06 AM

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i dont see a delete button

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:07 AM

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maybe it's restricted by settings

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:07 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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so are we done with the thread then?

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:08 AM

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yeah, its just a mod. Nothing special..
only thing extra did was redirect esm
so that i could skip manual importing

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:08 AM

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fair enough

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guess we are done here

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thank you for all the help

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Np

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this is more what ttw installer does
so resources package is way worse

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:26 AM

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hmmm

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strange

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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it'd be like posting your ttw mod

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:34 AM

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very curious on how the hell this works now

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Run converter option for "advanced" users

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:35 AM

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no like
the whole mod

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like where is it getting the morrowind stuff

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:35 AM

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By running that converter package

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:37 AM

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so like
it converts the morrowind esps into the morroblivion esm?

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sorry im new to all this

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:38 AM

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& the assets that resources provides

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:39 AM

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i see

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:40 AM

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which is why ttw installer takes so long

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:43 AM

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wait
so the morroblivion installer converts the morrowind files into the morroblivion esm
what does the ttw installer do then

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:43 AM

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the converter package is a less fancy way of doing what ttw installer automates but they just skip that & slap it into resources download

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:44 AM

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wait
but the morroblivion installer does it automatically too?

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OH

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I see now

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:45 AM

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I'm assuming not automatic vs zilovs installer

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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morroblivions install was a lot faster than ttws though

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then again
morrowind is a lot smaller than fallout 3

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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bc it's not really doing the conversion

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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that too

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is ttws way of doing it better though?

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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Yea

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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how so
this is all purely for curiositys sake

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Bc it doesn't provide the final output
Imagine not having that resource file

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:49 AM

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morroblivion has 2 downloads while ttw is one

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:50 AM

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All exe does is "unlock" the final .esm

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:51 AM

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then the resources are what the esm uses to work

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:51 AM

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& what converter package would give you
Maybe too many users had trouble with it
E.g. Look how much issue ttw users have
& that's with a automated converter exe

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 4:54 AM

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thats true
on the ttw theres so many people who just didnt read the guide

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 4:55 AM

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ttw installer's fairly self explanatory
& easily redirected for a root install
MO2 Data split just complicates it
versus one target output directory
~~that doesn't have to be game itself~~

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 5:49 AM

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My final say on this is no support
unless doing full conversions exe
which looks stupidly complicated

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 5:54 AM

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i feel like for a lot of people stuff like that isnt too important though
what matters is we figured out you can have morroblivion can be controlled by mo2

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even if its a bit unwieldy

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 5:55 AM

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it could be handled by nmm or any manager

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 5:55 AM

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well what i mean is we can make it so a manager can well
manage it

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thats all i was trying to accomplish at least

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im glad you got something more out of it though

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 5:57 AM

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i wanted something to test Root Builder on
so i'm gong to write new ttw install instead

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 5:58 AM

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i see
well i hope you gain new insight with that, since morroblivion didnt change the root

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 6:04 AM

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i'm going to try Nehrim installer again

sullen grove Sep 4, 2021, 6:04 AM

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ooooooo
im interested in how that goes

halcyon fjord Sep 4, 2021, 6:05 AM

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i'm curious if MO2 manages Steam copy

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or if it'll need to run that conversion tool

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while still managing standard Oblivion

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heading back to regular chat now ☕

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