Index: Purger

[steady maple]

Honestly i kinda wish getting a syntax highlight for my ubershader effects as they are defining their rules on how to write things, but, i guess i'll have to keep using it that way

I'd see the implementation, from what i understand, it looks nice

[silk egret]

ill start work on it now, it might be an interesting implementation

[steady maple]

All this time dialogs either were... About writing text in whichever form (Stalker, i still hate you for XML for dialogs), or about graphs, but this is actually unique one as much as i've seen

[silk egret]

it could probably be done much better but oh well

ideally I want a custom Dialogue resource

which the DialoguePlayer can take

the Dialogue resource could also modify properties or call functions from other nodes

when the DialoguePlayer is played

[steady maple]

Changed the main menu background for now, maybe i should consider just using a screenshot

[silk egret]

This works well with my triggerbox implementation, as the triggerbox just calls a function on whatever node its set to

[silk egret]

woah! i love that

[steady maple]

Loading times should be better now too!

[steady maple]

But how does that resource work though

Is it just going to be some kind of exported array to edit?

[silk egret]

i love that we both went for the same thing (even though I never sent a screenshot)

where the background is 3D and presumably animated

[silk egret]

I dont know, I'd ideally want it to be editable text but may have to go the array route

[steady maple]

Still wanna make some kind of character running from one place to another... actually...

I mean, why not

[silk egret]

maybe a dialogue could have an array of DialogueItems that have dfferent things? Idk

[silk egret]

ooh

[silk egret]

fancy

[steady maple]

Sorry walk guy

[steady maple]

That can be a thing too. In my case i have a basic class like DialogNode, that can refer to other DialogNode, and some of them can extend DialogNode to have their own data set and etc

But i think you can go with simpler implementation and it should be just fine

[silk egret]

interesitng

ill start work on this implementation

[steady maple]

Yay, he is walking!... but gotta tweak nav-mesh i guess

[steady maple]

At 4:20, i made a commit where 10000 files are somehow affected, with a name "Fix high file size", that's pure comedy

[tardy shard]

It looks cool. I hope it will change from level to level.

The screenshot is so boring, what do you think of the looped video sequence?

NOOOO

[silk egret]

lightmode aaaaaaaaaaah

[dense oar]

only now got time to listen, man this is really nice! reminded me of project i.g.i. some reason haha

[silk egret]

been needing to ask, what is [IDX]

[dense oar]

i'd be surprised if it doesn't stand for "index"

[silk egret]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I didnt come to that conclusion!

[steady maple]

I'm going to think about it. Honestly the more i used to work with videos, the more i used to HATE IT. It is problematic in many ways, the file size, the possibility to upload it to remote repo, the general mindfuckery over production, and, of course, mindfuckery with FFMPEG to convert it to Godot-readable format. Maybe i really should keep it the way i made it, more like HL2-esque, it worked back then, it will work right now

[steady maple]

Wdym? That means you'll be able to play exported version my dude. IndexPurger.pck is not the entirety of the game, it is a core (basically autoloads, game_start.tscn, etc) that is launched to read other game files, so it's all just fine

[steady maple]

Bender suggested adding "[Index Project]" to the end of our nicknames, but i suggested to use something shorter and... Now we are weird clan that is developing a game. [IDX] for the win! Yep, it stands for "Index"

[steady maple]

Sublime Merge forces you to use "light mode" if you haven't paid them money. Maybe i really should consider to change over Github Desktop

[steady maple]

Ragdolls are always gonna be funky

[silk egret]

neato

oh also! I sent a video of my dialogue implementation in #1151311410882686996

[steady maple]

I played it literally today! Nice game, but got stuck on ~4th(?) mission where you are playing as sniper. The alpha squad always says that their people is dead even if they are all alive, that's so weird lol, i tried to kill everyone with SVD to prevent that, but didn't work well. I like the electronic soundtrack on mission 2, probably that one is similar to that EXP track

[steady maple]

Sure thing, gonna check soon, gotta answer everyone

[silk egret]

alrighty!

[steady maple]

Guys...

I'm trying to be adequate person

Trying to look serious

But i can't hold it much longer

WHAT IN THE NAME OF FUCK

I NEEDED IT

THANK YOU

Just hope nothing else will break though

https://github.com/godotengine/godot/pull/80764

That looks... kinda simple?

Alright... There is one thing i start to regret about

LocationLOD gives literally zero fucks about lightmaps. AKA they are broken on these meshes and not even sure what to do. Not that i'm a big fan of Godot 3 lightmaps because, well, i'm having a stroke with baking times and other issues, but that is something i wanted for so long

Alright, i don't really like the look of this

This PR makes it possible to use three cascades.
Ah, that's what they did

Honestly, the more i look at all this stuff, the more i wonder about potential possibility to make it possible to switch over GLES2 in render settings. It will screw up a lot of shaders, though... Should check it anyway

Time to check

Lol, so weird, but i kinda love it

Dark, and i feel it made the performance even worse

Switch over GLES2 just didn't do nothing to performance and did significant changes to visuals making it nearly impossible to make it look same as GLES3. Seems like to be not an option to provide, if it is even possible

[dense oar]

Hell yeah

Fourth mission was always my personal hardest ever since my grandpa introduced this game to me at the age of 6 or something

I'll probably try replaying it today, see where i can help haha

[tardy shard]

Isn't the limit 50 mb?

[steady maple]

50 MB - warning, as Microsoft doesn't want you to abuse their free private servers :)
100 MB - critical limit that will stop your commit from uploading

[steady maple]

Got through that mission, i just did a mistake by not going onto tower and just decided to shoot enemies from the hill. Plus a bit screwed up timings from my side, spent too much time on these guys at the village

[steady maple]

By the way, i kinda like the soundtrack of the first part, not sure if i made it similar, but it has that cinematic vibe

[dense oar]

i am still unable to pass the first mission in igi 2

i have no idea how to trick these troops to open the gate without them detecting me

i remember i once just went around half of the map, swam ("swim" in past tense, i don't remember if that's the correct word) through the river to something like an observatory (which took hella lot of time because character's swim speed is awfully slow), entered hitman mode and killed all nearby enemies with knife to mot raise alarm ONLY to realize the bridge fence is locked as well

[silk egret]

shiny

[silk egret]

hell yeahhh

[steady maple]

I still didn't get to IGI 2, because... still stuck on IGI 1 at "Get the Priboi" mission, mainly i'm stuck because that level is just too hard. It needs 3 medkits as minimum, but they put only one. I launched the IGI 2 to check what it is like, and, damn, i got killed by a damn crowd of russian mobsters, that's rough

[steady maple]

It's really weird how it ended up being more shiny as result, i honestly expected it to have no shininess

[silk egret]

very odd, but an interesting look

also, incase you're still curious about texture quality with mipmaps, I sent a video of its usage in Project S in the thread

[steady maple]

https://youtu.be/6V11nSML-FE

Kindly recorded by @tardy shard

[tardy shard]

Kindly made (in game) by @steady maple

[steady maple]

I'm still wondering what's going on with the walking cycle

I think i did nothing wrong with it and it is just broken now

[silk egret]

the animation is not animationing

[fathom sentinel]

Also lmk if you’re in need of VAs

[steady maple]

Hey, thanks for an offer! Gonna remember that as, potentially, certain characters may need more humane voices, but it is still a subject to check

[steady maple]

https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/87665

Opening an issue, not even sure what's going on

[steady maple]

TL;DR;
That might be related to saving of all resources and scenes in text formats

[fathom sentinel]

Like .tscn?

[dense oar]

i literally today had the same issue, i was accidentally saving Godot's custom Theme to my Control's .tscn, which immediately caused it to explode to over 80mb in size

like Calinou said, first thing you should probably do is find .tscn files that are larger than a megabyte or so

[steady maple]

.tscn, .tres, list goes on. You can guess what am i going to spend time on for future several days

[dense oar]

then open .tscn as a text file and look what resource and where is saved in plain text

[steady maple]

I fixed that, but my own problem is quite related to external resources, too, so... Just turning them to binaries

[steady maple]

I fixed that
Alright i'm a bit of a liar, there is still some cases, but earlier... Oh man, 30-100 MB for each scene

[steady maple]

I know what it saves and it scares me

Damn, that year started in quite a funky way

It's been 29 days since i've been actually working on the game itself

I love it

It's been a while since i purged you, buddy

It's been a while since i purged you, too

And i wonder if i'll have to purge you all too

I never thought that "Index: Purger" project is going to be about purging the files

Ah, forgot about these two, they are two biggest contributors to this problem too i think

[silk egret]

took a read and glad to see it was resolved

I may put to use saving some of my files as .res for organization and scene time as well

[steady maple]

Still a subject to check, but, yeah, now knowing that text can be utterly slow for these cases... Maybe that'll fix it, i hope it will

[steady maple]

I wonder how much Ctrl + S does take for you because, well, it was 10 minutes for me for many cases

[silk egret]

It doesn't take long to be honest, usually a few seconds

I think saving was severely optimized in 4.X

[steady maple]

"Premature optimization is the root of all evil"
But consider to use binaries, yeah, learn on my mistakes

[silk egret]

but larger scenes, like m_rooftops_0 does have a clear increase in time taken

[silk egret]

lol

[silk egret]

will do, I already save binaries for animations, just not meshes

[steady maple]

Purging

[silk egret]

i have a question, do you have a source-like console system in Index Purger? and if you do, what was the most challenging part of it?

[steady maple]

Not really Source-like, but yeah there is console and for several months, this game had no main menu or anything like that because it wasn't really needed. If you wanted to play, change_location m_day0_0 and here you go. I've got one from the asset library, so i didn't make one on my own. The most challenging part is probably... Not sure, it's easy enough, but it was just about adding the commands. I'm doing it in a dirty way, there is literally just one file that has them all. It's fucked, but it works

Like, it is literally an auto-load like that

That console may need to get some improvements, like auto-completion of the arguments like in Source where you could write changelevel and it would suggest you potential arguments to enter

But, really... It just does what it has to do

You have commands, a help command just in case, auto-completion of commands, it's all fine

I generally hope there are not going to be a lot of people having access to this repo

[steady maple]

If you are going to make one, just remember that in your mind, these commands may seem to be helpful when... They are not really, i think, however it may be handy to have them, like...

value_set_bool display_debug_info true
value_set_bool display_debug_fps true
change_location m_day1_0_armory
debug_fly
dev_bind debug_fly
debug_ammo_pickup
debug_npc_logic_label

And etc.

I wonder if you are going to add one and i wonder for which cases do you really need it? As i said, in earlier versions of the game, that was the one and only way to start playing this game

[silk egret]

Ohh alrighty, interesting

[silk egret]

just for general debug stuffs and for anyone whos interested in exploring the inner workings of the game

like
load_scene and there would be auto completions for all the maps

maybe a noclip as well

[steady maple]

These 2 are really handy

Just remember there are already good console command systems out there in asset library, there is not much of a need to reinvent the wheel

[silk egret]

alrighty

[steady maple]

Slowly...

That looks like a briefcase indeed

[silk egret]

howd you make the default texture a missing texture material??

[steady maple]

        if mat_replace_path == null:
            return MISSING_MATERIAL

LocationModelTool assigns materials automatically depending on the name of them

[silk egret]

oh, neat

[steady maple]

How much have i had to return into this game level?

Almost forgot about volumetrics

It looks so surreal

Now it takes up to 20 seconds to save it. Earlier it was 10 minutes...

I need a graffiti like "TEXT IS EVIL"

I think opening a scene also got optimized. It could take up to 2 minutes to open one, and now it's nearing 40 seconds

Text is a fucking evil thing

[silk egret]

!

[steady maple]

I can't wait to see if loading times in game also got optimized

[silk egret]

thatll be crazy because I dont save any of my meshes as .res

do keep us updated on this please

[steady maple]

Main reason why i keep my meshes as separate resource as they are usually modified instances of those which are saved as .GLB files, plus it helps to lower the file size of the scenes because, as i mentioned previously, these modified meshes were stored inside of each game level .tscn which resulted in crazy file sizes. Most likely you won't stumble across that issue, but in your case, i highly recommend trying to keep your prefabs as ".scn" rather than ".tscn" if it comes to that

I think many issues i have right now are taking place just because i have used this engine the wrong way

[silk egret]

huh? I never knew .scn was a thing

Only .tscn but I guess it makes sense with one being text and the other binary

[steady maple]

Binary format of scenes, yep. Same thing for resources being ".res"

[silk egret]

ahh

[steady maple]

There is also binary format for materials like ".material", but these are resources so it doesn't even matter if you store them as ".tres", ".res" or ".material"

[silk egret]

oooh interesting

does it save on file size?

I kinda want a really low file size for my game just because itll be funny

[steady maple]

Sorry for russian, but yeah it does as it seems

[silk egret]

woah

[steady maple]

Right values are standing for "kilobytes"

[silk egret]

no need to apologize

thats quite a difference, and 3400Kb isn't even that much. Imagine what it would do for a level thats higher

[steady maple]

m_day1_3_post0 and m_day1_3_post1 are using up to 50 megabytes for some weird reason, i wonder if some props/blockout-meshes meshes are stored inside

I think there is one bad thing about binary formats though

Text formats are easy to debug if it comes to opening in literal text editor

This way i noticed many issues that i could fix later

BUT... You can still save it as text format later anyway if you really interested to see that kind of info, right?

That is probably the dumbest design flaw i had in this project and the one that spent the most of my time during this month

I thought that project wouldn't be able to impress me in that kind of stuff anymore, but i was so damn wrong

[steady maple]

Here is more numbers for you, it seems to cut it down by twice

[silk egret]

wow

[steady maple]

It seems to cut it down even more

Terrifying to watch without meshes around

[steady maple]

Man, it's insane

[steady maple]

I hope it'll make it through

It does make it through, but so slowly

That feel when i need literally several commits to push it on remote repository

Part 34... How much do i need to push these 3000 changed files

Part 56, send help

61 parts in total

[steady maple]

Gource was a mistake

[silk egret]

Online sequencer dropped with a new update, decided to try to make something filled with electronics just like you and made this little snippet

[steady maple]

Nice, sounds menacing. What's the update?

[silk egret]

they made Pop Synth and Synth Bass have sustain versions for them

before it was just like a pluck

but now its sustainable

so I just abused that with other sustainable electronic sounds

[steady maple]

So you can make something like reese bass now? That sounds great

[silk egret]

yee!

[fathom sentinel]

This is why I’m still on them mostly

It’s also super great for version control

[steady maple]

^^^ This too

[fathom sentinel]

Cuz you can see what’s changed and when

[steady maple]

But apparently now i'm forced to switch, sad

[fathom sentinel]

Yeah I’m sorry, that really sucks

Would be nice if (besides making tscn work better for large scenes ofc) there was a way to easily convert .text-based resources and scenes, etc, specifically for when the project is exported

maybe that already exists

[fathom sentinel]

yeah but sometimes they’re a bit complex, and can also work in specific ways you might not want. I used a single-file console from the internet for a while (had also been meaning to look at an alternative but it’s been so long that I forgot what the name of that console was)

Anyway I’ve modified that console so much that it’s practically its own thing entirely now

[fathom sentinel]

Yes by a lot

Especially cuz it gets reused across levels / instances

[steady maple]

yeah but sometimes they’re a bit complex
I've taken a look on sources in my addon, seen some regex magic and wanted to cry. But besides that it was... fine?

What's the single-file one? Sounds promising

[fathom sentinel]

I’ll look into it I forget where it is

Originally it had you create specific commands as functions inside node scripts

But I didn’t like that

So I changed it

For my version it’s actually not a single file hehe

There’s 1 file for the console, and 1 for console commands

https://godotengine.org/asset-library/asset/721

https://github.com/ExplodingImplosion/general_utilities/tree/main/Utilities/Console

this only works for 4.2 tho

And it has a couple of dependencies with other files (I moved the BBCode stuff to its own file)

[steady maple]

That's actually impressive. Honestly, maybe i should've tried making something like that on my own

166 lines for console

[fathom sentinel]

ikr

It was mad inspiring

[steady maple]

I suppose that game files will need to get purged too, seeing this amount of files

During this episode of weird technical mindfuckery, we are going to fix... that

ERROR: Cannot open file 'res://locations/meshes/LOC_PROP__medkit0.res'.
   at: load_interactive (core/io/resource_format_binary.cpp:939) - Condition "err != OK" is true. Returned: Ref<ResourceInteractiveLoader>()
ERROR: Failed loading resource: res://locations/meshes/LOC_PROP__medkit0.res. Make sure resources have been imported by opening the project in the editor at least once.
   at: _load (core/io/resource_loader.cpp:270) - Condition "found" is true. Returned: RES()
ERROR: Can't load dependency: res://locations/meshes/LOC_PROP__medkit0.res.
   at: poll (core/io/resource_format_binary.cpp:611) - Method failed. Returning: error

A medkit prop, you traitorous scum

Actually, it's all alright...

It's here too...

Alright, the time has come, purging the game files

10 gigabytes were removed, damn, i wonder how much it is going to weigh afterwards. Before it was like 5.5 GB

It's all over again

5107? Wait, what

Damn i just realized that it wasn't because of anything i thought of, it was because of the thing that ignores "LOC_PROP" word if i add batched files like these LOD meshes

[steady maple]

Here we go, i hope it won't crash again

m_day1_1 - fine... gotta check others

During m_day1_0_armory i've got a boost in loading times, but i suspect it to be connected to usage of mesh combiner for entirety of blockout rather than to binaries

The game now weighs 4.67 GB, which is about more than 20% decrease in file size

Actually, nope, it's not "more than", it's almost exactly 15%

Holy shit, LODs here need some configuration... But yeah, m_day1_2 load just fine too

I wonder why

[steady maple]

Is it possible to like volumetrics too much?

[tardy shard]

45 fps

[steady maple]

I told you this game is unplayable for me and i decided to accept it as it is

That's really it, minimal system requirements are no longer correct

Honestly, i seriously thought i'm going to be able to make an optimized game when i started it

I thought i'll be able to get 60 fps on my hardware

What a fucking joke

I've used this engine wrong right since the moment i had an idea of this game in my head at first

[tardy shard]

If it starts, then it’s good, isn’t that the minimum system requirement? (hello from Tarkov's minimum requirements)

[steady maple]

Lol dude that seems to be true

But i'm still going to bump it up to get less mindfuckery with potato PC owners

Seriously all these attempts to optimize this game resulting in nothing good

Nothing good for my mental health in first place

I seriously still hope that all the performance issues i have in this project are tied to one little, simple, dumb thing that is easy to fix, like that stuff with binaries

[tardy shard]

oh those potato owners

[tardy shard]

what about binary scenes and lods?🥹

[steady maple]

I genuinely start to hate moments when i see 117 fps in this game, because at these moments, absolutely nothing is happening

It's like some kind of weird trolling like "to get some good performance you had to do nothing"

[steady maple]

God bless our souls

It looks nice with some anti-aliasing, depth quality, not really much but it does look fine

But crank it down and you are now playing modified Cruelty Squad

But hey, better performance

[tardy shard]

I'm waiting for reloading, like in cruelty squad

[steady maple]

One of the new mystery modes, i suppose?

[tardy shard]

oh yeah that's a good idea

[quartz hazel]

what is this for ? showing stats in game or something?

[fathom sentinel]

It’s a command interface

[quartz hazel]

for what

the player ? or just during dev

[fathom sentinel]

Both

Doesn’t currently have a way to exclude commands in non-debug builds, but I’m planning on figuring that out

[silk egret]

ooh ive been needing something like this

will check out later

[cinder wagon]

track name 🔥 🔥

[silk egret]

May or may not be helpful but apparently valve's entire SDK is just there

for free, in a public repo

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013

[steady maple]

Nearly ago i downloaded the SDK and was impressed like "Wait, they really let you download HL2 for free, but without content in it?"

[steady maple]

Glad to know you like the name! Making these names in kind of funny way to refer to certain events of the plot. Sometimes i'm going too far with it and name sponge-bob music as "Mall Nightmare" simply because it is playing in one of the halls during aftermath

Actually "Empty Halls" sounds more like sponge-bob... Anyway

[steady maple]

Alright, so... 2 days ago i was very, very negative about performance of this game mainly because i'm an owner of pretty potato PC and i wanted it to run well on it. I wanted to surrender in this potato war just yet, but i've got some new ideas for settings in this game. They are relatively easy to implement so i'm going to do that. What's the idea...

- Particle Quality
That is related to presence of such nodes like LocationDustMotes and LocationSmoke, that are usually pretty heavy on bumping up the overdraw. Besides that, it includes any locational meshes that use "volumetric light" material on them. Basically, when set on "high", that'll enable all that stuff. On "low" it is going to remove it all

- Character Quality
That will require some work on making LODs for HumanModel and, basically, the idea is about making low-detailed version display all the time if set on "low", and higher-detailed one with LOD on distance if set on "high"

- Material Quality
Basically, all materials in this game use UserSpatialUbershader and that may be relatively easy to just turn off normal maps, MRSAO (or any other specular stuff), etc

- Post-Processing Quality
That says it all, i'm going to switch over lower-detail versions of shaders for these and that should give some additional FPS

The only problem with this kind of settings is that can be applied only after going through a loading screen as these require to run logic during initialization of the mentioned classes. Additionally they may make the situation with shader compilation worse, so... It's better to do that during initialization to avoid problems.

Should be a nice 20-minute adventure

[steady maple]

Alright, i was wrong, i did one thing...

    if name in MOVE_ANIMS_LIST:
        var move_anim = HumanModelFileArchive.get_no_hands_animation(
            name, anim_set_name
        )

That is one of these new optimizations to make loading of HumanModel faster, i did a mistake by not setting "looped" option. Honestly surprised that animation system could handle that animation is not looped, however it was a bit misleading

The fix is...

    if name in MOVE_ANIMS_LIST:
        var move_anim = HumanModelFileArchive.get_no_hands_animation(
            name, anim_set_name
        )
        move_anim.set_loop(is_looped)

No more Michael Jackson bug :(

[steady maple]

Particle Quality: High
Material Quality: High

Particle Quality: Low
Material Quality: Low

[steady maple]

Low quality of "Post-Processing Quality" setting kind of reminds me of earlier days when NFS:W was online. People used to lower post-processing quality in there just to get rid of that effect when you hit something way too hard with your vehicle. I feel like players in this game may do that too because lower quality of post-processing gives...
- Better view with low HP
- Ability to use night-vision goggles at day due to lack of blind spots
- Suppresion doesn't hit that hard visually
But, hey, it's cheaper

[sudden nimbus]

if that's just a menu, couldn't you prerender that?

(i feel like the difference between the two images is just too large)

[steady maple]

It has a lot of things that i wouldn't like to spent time pre-rendering, like that one running guy and etc. Plus videos/screenshots don't really fit to certain things... ah wait, you didn't mean it

[steady maple]

That's the point of the settings, i used the main menu to show how it works, because in certain scenes, particles and materials can drop the performance down

When it is not really impactful on better PCs, i could feel it sometimes on my own, when disabling volumetrics and particles could result in additional 20 fps

In terms of m_day1_3_post0 - there are a lot of "light volumes" that also take up a little CPU for various calculations too

[sudden nimbus]

ah

[steady maple]

So if one needs performance boost with no need of keeping the good look of the game... here it is!

[steady maple]

Plus i'm totally not trying to recreate HL2-esque menu

[sudden nimbus]

so real

[steady maple]

I've been trying to work on videos before i found them to be generally disgusting in each way possible (development, possibilities, etc). test_montage0 is barely 20 seconds and it takes up 40 megabytes (100 MB is dead end for any file in this project). Generally speaking, it's much easier and faster to develop (and load it in game!) a whole 3D scene as main menu background. The only place where i use a video is the intro that you can see when you start up the game, but, even in this case, i'm thinking of just switching over Godot animation with AnimationPlayer and a bunch of shaders

[tardy shard]

While dadaskis is agonizing over optimization, code, etc.... I'm making a parody of the sr-2m veresk

I will definitely make it in time. I hope...

[steady maple]

The time has come for some GPU profiling, i was wondering how much does all of that new stuff with settings impact the game in terms of GPU events

9236 without all these fancy settings to ruin the game's graphics

8046 if you actually lower these new ones. Not much of performance boost either

So, what can i tell... The time has come for a new issue on Godot's repo, time to annoy the devs again!

That kind of warnings is actually looking suspicious but it may be a thing related to "Depth Prepass" of Godot 3.x

[steady maple]

First example of profiler being broken after switching over Windows 11

Second example, it is broken but in different way

In first example, the game completely froze as i opened profiler to check what's going on. Profiler stated that the game is running well and shown that some functions doing something

Second example - the profiler continues to work even if the whole game has been paused with F7 button (pause scene)

[sly stream]

We love windows 11!

[steady maple]

https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/87892

[steady maple]

We definitely love Windows 11!

[silk egret]

any updates on performance?

[silk egret]

damn

an option for every setting available

[tardy shard]

I'm waiting for the settings to be made for the number of ragdolls

And the time of their disappearance

[silk egret]

lol

[steady maple]

I'm fucked

Like the lore of this game

[silk egret]

💀

[steady maple]

But i hope they answer the very next 12 hours. For now just checking out how 3.6 beta 4 is going to run it

[silk egret]

does run bad on @tardy shard 's computer as well

[steady maple]

Nope, 100 fps is minimum i've seen yet

It's like 120 fps with maximum settings

[silk egret]

did it use to run at a higher fps

[steady maple]

I'm scared to think how much fps he is going to have with my settings

[silk egret]

if it used to run better on their computer and suddenly droppde to 100

[silk egret]

but if not, then maybe its something else

[steady maple]

@tardy shard ^^^
I don't remember if you had better FPS since the moment you tested this game after build 4

In my case i definitely noticed how Windows 11 impacts everything, but i'm still curious about changes on his side

The only case when we had bad performance is because he had x16 anti-aliasing as you may remember

[silk egret]

hmm odd

[steady maple]

Ah yeah, also because of some physics bullshit when you walk on dense concave collisions, but that was fixed long ago too

Bender has a lot of servers, so response may take a while

For now 3.6 doesn't really like some scripts i've written

And some that i didn't write too like Zylann's terrain system

3.6. beta 4 didn't impact performance much, no changes to be more correct, gotta check the profiler too

Wait a second... 3.6. seems to fix the profiler issue!

Actually... not really

It is still running even if i pressed stop button

[steady maple]

Pausing and unpausing the scene works well though

[tardy shard]

"Ultra" settings (with post processing, 8x AA )```

In fact, it's case by case. On average, in battle I get 100-120 fps (sometimes it drops to ~70, but I don’t feel it, since I have a 60HZ monitor).
(oh those damn stun grenades)
 

My setup:

```i5 - 7400
32 GB (8x4) RAM   3200hz
GTX 1080 (8 GB)
Game on HHD (7200 RPM)

@silk egret

[silk egret]

huh, neat

[steady maple]

I'm definitely going to set his specs as minimum ones to avoid all issues

[silk egret]

thatll be worrying for me

my specs arent as good

[steady maple]

At least now i can see what the fuck is going on, yay, gonna fix it

[silk egret]

ejesus christ

why is locationprop calling physics process?

shouldnt it call just process

[steady maple]

Don't worry, mine aren't good as well! Alright, just joking, but, damn, i wish to fix it all up

[steady maple]

I needed a fixed time step, yeah

[silk egret]

odd

couldnt a timer be used instead

[dense oar]

timer breaks on low time values unfortunately

[silk egret]

oh damn

how low?

[steady maple]

_process delta value doesn't really provide an actual delta value as i want it to be so, yeah, _physics_process my beloved

[silk egret]

oof

[dense oar]

dont remember off top of my head, let me check

[steady maple]

So if it will be used for a time of 1.5 frames, it is going to be runned only on frame 2, that sucks

Luckily i don't need that kind of precision

[steady maple]

Looking at SpatialAddTransformManager... @tardy shard, i guess i'm going to make game settings soon! No, not because i want to make that ragdoll stuff, but because i see an opportunity to optimize CPU usage by disabling some CPU effects entirely like in-sight reloads, left-hand animations, low-HP tremor, list goes on

[tardy shard]

"Legal cheats"

[steady maple]

It's more like legal way to punish yourself for having bad PC

... Who cares anyway, right

I wanted to not turn the settings menu to a damn Excel

But i'm making more and more steps towards it

[dense oar]

can you please also add an option to turn off the game? pretty sure for players who don't need it this will be a massive performance boost

[steady maple]

There is one! Quit game

Alt + F4 also gives a major boost

[dense oar]

hmm i'll consider that option, thank you very much!

[steady maple]

It also works in all new AAA releases too! I've never seen that such a simple fix can be so universal

Some say that is also a secret cheat for a lot of loot in Tarkov

[dense oar]

wow cool

does it work IRL as well?

gonna try..

[steady maple]

DONT

[tardy shard]

late...

[steady maple]

Man i hope he got some super abilities, you know

[silk egret]

🍞

[steady maple]

I take my words back, it's broken again

I feel like i've got it working again in 3.5., all i had to do is just launching the game and launching the profiler during the game

Maybe Godot's profiler has some kind of issue with attaching to processes in win11

LODs are ruining performance for Bender on m_day1_3_post1, but, honestly, i'm surprised he managed to load a location that takes up to 2 GB of VRAM

The time has come to some changes in how LODs are applied, i guess

Each time i think this system is mental is just me being an idiot

[steady maple]

And i take these words back too because i just decided to try it out again and it is printing random bullshit in profiler tab

Ah yeah, it also froze the game

:(

Honestly at this point it is kind of hilarious

[tardy shard]

||task||

[steady maple]

You will find a way out, right?

[tardy shard]

I'm not sure.

[steady maple]

Lmao damn

That is actually the best HUD bug we've got yet

I'm actually surprised that entire m_day1_* didn't fill it up too much to the point when you cannot see any new tasks in that list

Gonna make presets today, definitely gonna get to them and... LODs again, they just won't leave me alone

[dense oar]

Yooo guys i had such a cool dream, like i was talking to y'all about performance things and then jokingly said that i was gonna try to alt-f4 IRL and then i died haha

Just woke up, apparently i daydreamed at my desk

Fun, right?

[tardy shard]

You just restarted irl

[wind ocean]

wait a minute

is this 3.x ?

[tardy shard]

Godot? Yes

[wind ocean]

why?

[dense oar]

because not 4.x

[wind ocean]

u started it recently ?

[steady maple]

Almost 2 years ago

[steady maple]

We are not going to Godot 4 anymore

[steady maple]

Graphics settings presets

[steady maple]

Implemented a setting called "Props Amount" that should generally untie my hands when it comes to detailing of the game levels. If player wants to lower amount of props (that means all location meshes really), this setting can do a trick

And as you can see, when set on low - it removes that pile of stuff. Of course that is kind of extreme example as this pile of things could affect gameplay quite much, but still - i think it is going to be very useful

[steady maple]

No legs?

[dense oar]

okay dadaskis at this point you should really add a "Game | Enabled/Disabled" option, at least as an easter egg

i don't know a single game that allows you to turn off legs

[steady maple]

No, we can't let the players to have fun that easily

[steady maple]

I'm going to keep it there forever. It is doing nothing, but that would be fun to close the game... actually nah, someone may misclick it

[dense oar]

perfect

[steady maple]

I found a perfect song to make settings in this game

[steady maple]

Alright, good news, i'm actually getting a performance boost at this point, but still quite much of work to do. I hope that damn profiler is going to work now

All i had to do is cut player's legs off

[tardy shard]

But sometimes...

[steady maple]

Nah, i had plenty of fun with settings, to the point when i can actually share that fun with others. But that song... broken HDD... LocationPhysics... LocationLOD... Yeah, it fits it

[steady maple]

I'll have two settings, a setting for reverberation, a setting for footsteps with extra dip, a weird setting, 2 more settings, one with cheese, and a large game-killer

[steady maple]

I've been thinking, like, what is going to happen if you will make Mauser as your first weapon. I guess everyone can see the result, that guy is learning everything fast

[tardy shard]

It remains to learn how to earn a lot
||(Maybe this project will be like this :D )||

[steady maple]

Progress for today was quite... productive, if we talk about numbers. From laggy 3-12 fps it is going up to more stable 25-30 fps, and there is still plenty of possibilities to try out

In more calm moments it's going up to 35-40 fps

All i had to do is just add that settings menu which can get even more options to tweak

[steady maple]

Enjoy your stay on MiseryFM!

[steady maple]

Little fancy debug game level for testing the props

[sly stream]

Where did the 180k triangles hide???

[steady maple]

So you tell me to make a setting to lower viewmodel hands polycount?

What a nice idea

[sly stream]

I mean in this scene its 545k triangles

[steady maple]

545k vertices*

[sly stream]

ooooh

lol

[steady maple]

And 212 fps

[sly stream]

nah its 545 triangles

[steady maple]

As you understand, mainly this game suffers not much from GPU usage but... CPU

[sly stream]

Yeah... gdscript and such

[steady maple]

Ah, this, yeah, m_day1_1 uses much

I'm going to go through this level and use "props amount" settings to lower it down

You don't have to render triangles if there is nothing to render

[sly stream]

Im just saying that if the viewmodel is taking up 180 and the entire scene 545 that's 1/3 that goes to the viewmodel

[steady maple]

"Viewmodel Hands Quality" inbound i guess

[tardy shard]

isn't it the other way around? the lack of a video card greatly impacts performance

[steady maple]

The lack of videocard may make it even impossible to launch any Godot game

What i'm saying is that GT1030 can render everything well, but AMD Athlon sucks ass when it comes to combat scenarios and etc

[tardy shard]

although... on that laptop the performance is bad

[steady maple]

I'm talking about minimal system requirements of the Steam page, not about making it run on all laptops of the world

[sly stream]

Well I assume that the game uses forward+ to render, which means that no mather what it shouldn't be able to launch iwthout a dedicated gpu

[tardy shard]

I mean the integrated graphics in the processor*

[steady maple]

If you will literally remove GT1030 from my PC, i won't be able to run ANY Godot game, so i'm won't even try supporting iGPUs, i had enough of that during gm_post_ussr

[steady maple]

GLES3, that's Godot 3

[sly stream]

ah

[steady maple]

Funny enough, GLES2 does no shit to performance

[sly stream]

might wanna upgrade to godot 4 then?

[steady maple]

We are not going to Godot 4 anymore

[sly stream]

Has the project done a 'I no no wanna' on godot 4?

[steady maple]

Constant reimporting, crazy RAM usage, generally broken, and if i really want it to make it work, i need to transfer it module-by-module, which will take a lot of time because the code base of modules consists of >45000 lines of GDScript

[sly stream]

damn... thats rough

[steady maple]

So for now Godot 3 is kind of guarantee of stability for me, yeah

Of course it has it's own flaws and stuff, but mainly, it can pull this game off, especially if i won't act like a dumb bitch and actually try making it work on it

I still have a feeling i'll have to bump up the minimal specs of the Steam page to some Intel Core I5 and GTX1050

[sly stream]

I mean i5 1050 is pretty reasonable in 2024

[steady maple]

Wait WTF 40-50 fps during combat, shit starts to work well

[steady maple]

And much, much more reasonable than AMD Athlon that i have

[sly stream]

If you get 40-50 on an athlon that's really good

[steady maple]

I remember old days of development builds when everything was just a dev-texture, and, you know, i had like 70-80 back then, and it wasn't really optimized too. Maybe, just maybe i can pull it off and make it have that kind of framerate

[sly stream]

I mean according to steams hardware survey, the most common graphics card is a 3060

[steady maple]

WHAT

Alright

So, secret plan

We are going to make it not common graphics card if all owners of 3060 will just turn on fully-minimal settings of the game and fry their GPUs/CPUs

[sly stream]

And for cpu

[steady maple]

Hmm, my Athlon has 3.00 GHz and 2 cores

[sly stream]

I think most common is 6 cores right now

at least the average

[steady maple]

I'm going to be very happy if that game actually will run stable for me

I've not told it to anyone but...

[steady maple]

There were days when i tried playing Payday 2 with iGPU only, i had like 8 fps, i've tried to use pretty low-level configs to edit the game's graphics

It is my childhood trauma that probably somehow affects the fact this game is going to have a million of options to get better performance

Even if someone will leave a negative review like "my legs disappeared at second level of the game"

[sly stream]

If the legs disappear, but you get 8 fps more is it worth it? I would say so

[steady maple]

Especially when you can just enable/disable it as you wish! Plus, probably, even more authentic vibe of old shooters where you are nothing but floating hands for most of time

[sly stream]

Even in most AAA games you can't see your legs

So really you can just disable them from the start and nobody will notice

[steady maple]

AAA performance plan!

[sly stream]

Also, in most AAA games you don't get over 40 fps without some visual glitches, soooo....

(Turn down shadowmaps to 4 pixels * 4 pixels)

((That last one was a joke please don't))

[steady maple]

Hehe i won't, even if i have a wish to go the lowest of the low, i have some understanding when i'm actually going to cross a line. Mainly, i want to keep all of the main stuff, and just make barely noticable or not important stuff as an option if it is affecting performance

[sly stream]

I mean if you want, you can just map all the godot graphics settings directly to an ingame menu and let them fuck around

the just mark some of them with something like "This makes the game look like shit please don't but if you really want to..."

[steady maple]

75 fps, mmm... But that's a pretty silent moment when no combat happens

[steady maple]

I feel like i'll have to make tooltips

[sly stream]

what's taking 11 ms in that scene in physics process?

Also, can you see individual function performance in the profiler?

[steady maple]

I have some for achievements already but that also seems to be necessary for all settings

[steady maple]

Yep!

[steady maple]

It's not always 11 ms, but jumping from 5 ms to 12 ms from time to time. I think many things, like, NPCs themselves, viewmodel procedural animation, soundscape checks, etc. I have a list of things to check, just gotta get to them

[steady maple]

And, yeah, even if profiler is broken, it can show appropriate information if i just start profiler when the game runs, so, yeah, it can! Saves my potato life for now

[steady maple]

Psst

From 100k down to 5k. What's the problem with it? It has jagged edges during certain animations, but who cares, right? General smoothness is saved well

[sly stream]

That's really nice!

[sly stream]

What software is this?

[steady maple]

AbstractSpoon ToDoList, lightweight task management program. I've used it for a long time as it is just does what it needs, uses little to no RAM, no waiting times or etc. Not very fancy, but functional and fast

[steady maple]

Stress-testing

I'm not sure if there is a point in fixing up scripts or that thing is just not as performant on it's own

"Self" mode tells more

I'm not even sure why "update_rotation" takes that long no matter how hard i try

Because at this point it has only one line that may shouldn't take that long

Earlier it had spherical linear interpolation, i thought that slows it down, but it has same speed

[sly stream]

Are those 200 something errors printing every frame?

Or are they just startup?

[steady maple]

Start up. Most of them cannot be fixed as File.file_exists is not working properly in release exported builds

[sly stream]

Ah ok

Otherwise it would have been a good place to start since errors take up a lot of processing

[steady maple]

They do, there were a couple of moments when it used to flood logs and stuff

[steady maple]

Seems like walk check Area was more expensive than i thought

[sly stream]

did that 6x fps times...?

[steady maple]

Almost, i think, still gotta check in actual environment like m_day1_1

There are multiple things to fix still, like suffering of "Audio Server" due to lots of sounds played by the player script during suppression by 20 NPC

[silk egret]

honestly this isnt a bad idea

try to abuse normal maps and displacement maps for humans

[steady maple]

Especially when that is a fancy setting

[steady maple]

I'm using normal maps for everyone. I'm avoiding parallax occlusion because it is expensive for my hardware

[silk egret]

oh interesting

[steady maple]

These hands' normal map, i'm making high-poly first and bake them on low-poly

[silk egret]

Project S uses parallax occlusion and displacement maps quite often

interesting to see how good it ran on your hardware

[silk egret]

aahhh fancy

[steady maple]

All hands and human models utilize that kind of normal maps as they all baking from high-poly that is usually easier to make

[steady maple]

Man that was impressive for me too

[silk egret]

this occurs often specifically on windows and air conditioners

[steady maple]

I noticed that!

[silk egret]

!!

[steady maple]

Reminds me of good old days when i played Stalker

[silk egret]

theres a bit on solar panels as well

[steady maple]

They used displacement maps on everything, but it was especially cool-looking on bricks or broken metal rooftops

[sly stream]

This uv map looks like it also has the backside of the hand, is that ever visisble?

[silk egret]

ooh

that sounds like it would be using unreal engine

[steady maple]

Back side? I'm not sure how to define back side in this case as hand can rotate quite a variety of ways

[steady maple]

X-Ray Engine, their proprietary one

[sly stream]

Like the side of the hand that is hidden by the gun

[steady maple]

For a new part they are using UE5 though

[steady maple]

Oh, no, the other hand is simply mirrored one

[silk egret]

ooh interesting

[silk egret]

beautiful fps count right there

[sly stream]

No like... The hand holds the gun but the part of the hand that is ocluded by the gun is that ever visible?

[steady maple]

Yeah because sometimes FOV can go more crazy. I also tried checking if that matters and... Well, not much, really. That'd be nice to make viewmodels like in HL2, but that'd limit the possibilities quite much, so i'm keeping that hand for now, especially knowing that entire hands model (5k for both) is not using as much with an appropriate setting

[steady maple]

Gotta try keep it stable now!

[silk egret]

see if you can get around 100-120 on your hardware on lowest

[sly stream]

If it wasn't visible at all, you could just cut that side, like no polygons at all

[silk egret]

bc if you can get that, then you know for a fact that the game is fully optimized

[steady maple]

Minimal system requirement: GT1030
Recommended system requirement: RTX3070

[steady maple]

I'm not very sure if there is a simple way to implement that one, that'd be nice to have i think

[sly stream]

minimum gtx1030, recommended: 4090 ti

[sly stream]

Just go into blender and cut the quads out of the model?

[steady maple]

^^^
The system requirements we deserve

[silk egret]

horrific to know that the line of GPU i have is a line that stopped manufacturing

because its so old

[steady maple]

It's not that easy, viewmodel hand can be replaced depending on situation. You won't wear any kind of military gear when it comes to your bland citizen life, right?

[sly stream]

ah...

i see

[steady maple]

I have GT1030 GDDR5 that is... derelict too. They stopped making GDDR5 because it was too expensive for the cheap price of the GPU, so they switched over GDDR4 that is less performant by 20% or so

[silk egret]

Damn

[silk egret]

how big is this normal map

[steady maple]

2048x2048 as it is an object that is very close to camera

[silk egret]

interesting

[steady maple]

Imagine if modmakers decided to go and lower-res all the textures in this game

That'd be fun to witness

Because that is one of these things i'd never do as they have not much of an impact

[silk egret]

if only mipmaps were in 3.x

[steady maple]

There are mipmaps in 3.x (otherwise it would look much worse lol) but no way to control it as in 4.x

[silk egret]

oof

hoping they backport that

[steady maple]

42!

[silk egret]

is that good

[steady maple]

Honestly, i hope too, but i wouldn't be surprised if they'd drop it

[steady maple]

Well, including that is an answer to everything...
It was like 15 fps when they all were shooting me, so, yeah, much better, but still wondering what can be done to fix it up

Didn't survive for long

[silk egret]

ded

this is curious

Im now reading the 4.2.1 changelog

to see if anything changed for 3.x users

[steady maple]

"First contact" has got quite a performance boost, it's now 40-50

Silent moment 60-80

Battlefield section lags though (15-25), mainly suffering from shader compilation

[steady maple]

Not using SpatialMaterial, but 4.x convertion definitely screwed up all of my materials

[fathom sentinel]

btw if youre interested i have 3 systems available to me, (5 if you count computers that dont belong to me that i can access)

i7 4 core + 1060
i5 6 core + 1060
i7 6 core + 2070 (laptop)
i9 6 core + 3060 (not mine)
ancient i7 4 core + integrated graphics (also not mine)

[steady maple]

Damn that's a huge list .-.

[fathom sentinel]

im very fortunate

has also been built up over SEVERAL years

[sly stream]

I can prolly test too if you want; ryzen 7 5800H and rtx 3060 laptop

[steady maple]

I suppose you want to test this game on these?

Oh .-.

[fathom sentinel]

not really

i want to stress test IF youre interested

[sly stream]

I also have a pc somewhere in my closet i think 😭 i5 and a 1060 i think

[fathom sentinel]

but also the game looks interesting

so like i kinda dont want it spoiled

; )

but there seems to be a lot of question marks as to the bottleneck

gpu / cpu

[steady maple]

There are a lot of things to check, yeah, damn

Honestly i'm thinking about giving you access to that export repo we have

There are 2 repos, one for the project itself and one for the exported builds

[sly stream]

I think it is cpu bound when shooting happens because of all the npc logic but otherwise it is prolly gpu bound

[steady maple]

Yeah, somehow that 4 GB monster could get pushed in there

What are your GitHubs?

@silk egret what's your GitHub too?

[steady maple]

I can make debug location specifically for testing of common battle scenarios like in case of m_day1_1, it will have no plot or anything like that as it follows. I'm not very sure if it can be used as reliable subject for testing, but just saying it can be done

[fathom sentinel]

im just ExplodingImplosion on github

[steady maple]

Alright guys, like, @fathom sentinel, @sly stream and @silk egret, i will give you an access to that repo, but in exchange i'd ask to not leak any of that stuff for now. I mean, it is pointless, i'm literally nobody and all, but, yeah, i hope you'll have fun with it

[fathom sentinel]

yessir 🫡

[sly stream]

Understood 🫡

[steady maple]

Check invites

[fathom sentinel]

yerr

[sly stream]

I can’t remember mine, I will send it when I get home

[steady maple]

Also, this repo is kinda huge on it's own, because it is a literal mess of commits and etc, to speed things up a little:
git clone https://github.com/Dadaskis/IndexProjectExport --depth=1

[steady maple]

Sure thing

[steady maple]

I'm trying to update it on daily basis, but sometimes i had huge delays mainly caused by completely broken updates like in case of LocationPhysics and LocationLOD additions, they should be fine for now, even if it is a bit broken at certain parts

[silk egret]

alrighty

will test later today or tomorrow if I have the time

8gb of ram, gtx 1650 intel i5 9300H for me

a bit of a step up from your specs, dadaskis but not too high up

my github name is just TheNetherPug, same pfp as my discord account

[steady maple]

That still would be interesting to see how it will perform, maybe i'll use your specs (or something like that) as minimal ones

[silk egret]

alrighty

[steady maple]

Invited

[silk egret]

are we allowed to leak funny commit names

[steady maple]

Sure

[silk egret]

ty

bc this is gold

[steady maple]

That would be nice to get whole .txt file of git log of all time of the main repo

[silk egret]

the website cant handle it, its truncated some of the directories

[steady maple]

I remember exporting git logs using some of the git's commands, and it was kinda nicely formatted in one singular .txt

The only problem for me is that nearly ago my 1TB HDD got broken and i had to download the main repo again

[silk egret]

considering this isnt even the actual game source code, its only the files for the executable

[steady maple]

And i couldn't download a whole thing so i had to download only last commit

[steady maple]

That started to exist not very long ago i think

[silk egret]

oof

how big is it

I only have 1TB of space on my computer across two drives

[steady maple]

All the project files? Time to check, maybe i'll be surprised now

37.7 GB, 44618 files, 1671 folders

[silk egret]

for a comparison, Project S (Without the .godot folder) is around 2-3GB

Jesus christ

[steady maple]

Oh, i'm going to tell that number then, because i've taken into account all the stuff including the export

[silk egret]

thats some AAA type file size

I reckon half of that is the .godot folder

[steady maple]

Without .git, .import (that's 3.x .godot), and export - 16.6 GB

[silk egret]

I knew it

[steady maple]

.import is 3.40 GB

[silk egret]

.import files or is there a folder called .import?

[steady maple]

.git is 7.53 GB, so it's because of it

[steady maple]

Yep, folder

[silk egret]

interesting

[steady maple]

They renamed it in 4.x but functioning is kinda same

[silk egret]

In godot 4, imported files are saved as actual files

so there would be

[silk egret]

image.png
and
image.import

in the same dir

[steady maple]

Same here

.import file actually saves my ass when it comes to game exporting

As it has information that refers to an actual game file placed at .import folder

[silk egret]

.tga?

[silk egret]

ooh interesting

[steady maple]

Yep, i chose that format because it is the fastest to save. I decided so during gm_post_ussr and still keeping it

[steady maple]

path.s3tc="res://.import/asphalt1_N.tga-ac320a6c0c7029259331c82d02df2412.s3tc.stex"
God bless that one line

[silk egret]

ooh interesting

[silk egret]

dan

*dam

[steady maple]

Ah, wait, i chose the wrong one

God bless this one

dest_files=[ "res://.import/asphalt1_N.tga-ac320a6c0c7029259331c82d02df2412.s3tc.stex" ]

[silk egret]

im just scrolling through the commits

and im seeing the first I don't know what the fuck am I actually doing

and the part number just keeps increasing and increasing

from 8 to 10 to 11

[steady maple]

Probably that one failed to upload or something. GIC.py does it on it's own

I wonder what actually causes shader compilation at this point

[silk egret]

interesting

completely off topic: I think 3.X's resource loading system is much more customizable than 4.X's

you can call a function that specifically loads the next item in queue, which you cant do in 4.X's

[fathom sentinel]

which ones should i take a look at btw? i see 3 exe's

also is there a way to see the current FPS?

[steady maple]

IndexPurger.exe, this one is a release build that should do the trick

Current FPS: Open console and write value_set_bool display_debug_fps true (probably should be a setting?)

[fathom sentinel]

okie

[steady maple]

Wait, really? I wonder what else they changed in 4.x.. For now i've seen quite a bunch of stuff and they still seem to have quite a lot to get back or... Maybe they have reasons to do such changes?

[fathom sentinel]

alright cool

[steady maple]

I'm going to make it a setting right now and make a level like debug_day1_battlefield

[fathom sentinel]

im currently running IndexPurgerDebug.exe

[steady maple]

To get into it: change_location debug_day1_battlefield... once i'll make it of course, it's soon

[fathom sentinel]

okie

[steady maple]

Actually i think it's a good idea to also add "debug info" thing into settings too

I'm switching it quite often and that'd be simpler way

[steady maple]

Also, a side note for everyone. Debug builds are useful if it is needed to get more information in console logs (mp.console_log) regarding some crashes and errors, but besides that, debug builds are slower. If there is a need to test actual performance in the game, the release executable is the only way i guess

[fathom sentinel]

okie

on the i7 / 2070 btw, the debug can hit upwars of 500 FPS on low settings

[steady maple]

I just realized that going straight to debug_day1_battlefield may not work that well, maybe i need to make an armory loc for this one too

WHAT

[fathom sentinel]

and was anywhere between 50 and 200 on ultra

[steady maple]

I bet 50 when shader compilation happens

That shit is cursed

[fathom sentinel]

yeah

first time i shot, it stuttered, go figure

[steady maple]

Yeah and also flashbangs, some particles, humans, all that stuff

But sometimes i have zero clues why it happens, i'm trying to fix it all, like, maybe got the most annoying ones, but still not sure about others

[fathom sentinel]

yeah it can be really hard to find everything that loads a new shader

[silk egret]

Quite a bit of things were changed

most notably gdscript and gdshaders had large syntax changes

SCREEN_TEXTURE is no longer a constant, it's a hint now

so COLOR = texture(SCREEN_TEXTURE, SCREEN_UV); wouldn't work

instead you would need

uniform sampler2D SCREEN_TEXTURE: hint_screen_texture;

and then you can call the other one above

and alot of other things that cant fit into a message were changed in gdscript

[silk egret]

this is the same for depth textures as well

[steady maple]

debug_day1_armory and debug_day1_battlefield - both working now

[steady maple]

Damn if i had to go through all shaders twice to replace these. But, yeah, there are a lot of changes and they started 4.x probably somewhere at 3.1(?), no wonder there more differences even in basic things

[fathom sentinel]

any difference between these .exe files?

[sudden nimbus]

higher than project s

[steady maple]

_release is basically an export template with an appropriate icon on it

[fathom sentinel]

gotcha

[steady maple]

Damn, that's so unusual for me to not open console for that stuff

[dense oar]

did i miss alpha-test start

[fathom sentinel]

just helping check perf

[dense oar]

ah alright

haha

[steady maple]

You missed godknowswhatthatis-test i guess!

[sudden nimbus]

wha did this get open sourced

[steady maple]

Private repo elitism

[sudden nimbus]

ok

[steady maple]

But seriously there are 2 repos

One with the game export and one with the project files

[dense oar]

due to github size limits?

[steady maple]

I've given an access to game export to 3 devs over here

[sudden nimbus]

interesting

[steady maple]

Not really but because i wanted to separate that stuff and etc, mainly because of screwed internet that i have, plus easier control over giving permissions to someone from the side

[sudden nimbus]

i think github actions would be interesting for that

[silk egret]

what is your specs

i hit a consistent 80-90 FPS

[steady maple]

@dense oar @sudden nimbus wanna join for lulz?

[silk egret]

even on m_rooftops_0

[steady maple]

Just give me your GitHub

[sudden nimbus]

illogicalapple

[sudden nimbus]

interesting

[dense oar]

mine is "elenakrittik"

that's an unexpected gift

lmao

[steady maple]

So, there are rules of the exported repo

[silk egret]

so excited to play an updated build

but unfortunately i have a class in a few minutes

[sudden nimbus]

am i allowed to pirate it :)

[dense oar]

1. leak it everywhere
2. try decompiling
   ...

[steady maple]

1. You do not talk about the exported repo
2. You do not talk about the exported repo

[dense oar]

we do talk about it right now

[silk egret]

lord have mercy for anyone decompiling this game

[steady maple]

No leaks for now, please. But if you will decompile it, i'd probably need to hire you

[fathom sentinel]

ultra + 4x AA

no FXAA

[sudden nimbus]

beautiful

[steady maple]

Hey, i like how your gamma settings look

[sudden nimbus]

i wanna see index purger with project s's shaders

[dense oar]

as for the leaks, no worries, not going to ruin anything

[fathom sentinel]

default gamma, i think i used max brightness

[dense oar]

purely joking

[sudden nimbus]

it would probably look very interesting

[dense oar]

although not very funny i guess

[fathom sentinel]

im in a sunny spot rn

[steady maple]

You can say thanks to @tardy shard because previously the game looked like a black quad for him

[steady maple]

It is lol
I know you are joking and honestly that's what i'd do on my own

By the way...

Maybe, just maybe...

That's a good idea...

To leak...

@silk egret game

[sudden nimbus]

ooh good idea

[steady maple]

Hmm, i know there is outline, but anything else besides that? It can be one of the "mystery" modes

[sudden nimbus]

i haven't touched the shaders

i have no idea

the cringe based anime wind effect exists

[dense oar]

an accurate description

[fathom sentinel]

the high FPS is 100% because the resolution is low

[steady maple]

Anyone can tell me why some of the Godot options are frying GPU?

[sudden nimbus]

have you played

[fathom sentinel]

i dont think its because GPU is being fried, i think it's because the CPU just isn't being used at all

[dense oar]

project s? no

[sudden nimbus]

godot fries gpu

[dense oar]

how do i lmao

[fathom sentinel]

basically the CPU simulation is suuuuper fast

[steady maple]

.-.

[sudden nimbus]

i think you should be fine as you usually probably won't have other things running on the gpu alongside purger while playing

[fathom sentinel]

like rn theres just 4 dudes

[sudden nimbus]

convince dadiskis to leak the files so he gets the blame and not me

[steady maple]

*paste a joke about cryptominer built into game's code*

[sudden nimbus]

cryptominer running on the gpu:

[steady maple]

Imagine being so powerful so you add support of computational shaders or OpenCL into Godot 3.x

For cryptominer

[sudden nimbus]

my gpu is wonky

[dense oar]

idea: make a graphics preset "Cryptominer" that'll deploy miners on your pc

IP has a setting to turn off the game anyway, players won't be surprised

[sudden nimbus]

can someone tell me how to graphics 1

[fathom sentinel]

theres a couple ways

[steady maple]

And when you choose it, you'll be asked to sign license agreement that has a little text in it gives permission to do anything with user's PC

[sudden nimbus]

real

[steady maple]

Going to try uploading an update

I love warnings

[sudden nimbus]

windows user using git:

(/j)

[dense oar]

this /j saved you

🔫

[sudden nimbus]

put down the watergun

[tardy shard]

⬛

[sudden nimbus]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as 🔫, is in fact, GNU/🔫, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus 🔫. 🔫 is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called 🔫, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a 🔫, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. 🔫 is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. 🔫 is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with 🔫 added, or GNU/🔫. All the so-called 🔫 distributions are really distributions of GNU/🔫!

[dense oar]

stallman is not my president

[silk egret]

dont be leaking project S

dammit! I knew I should've injected the exe with a virus to prevent this situation!

I dont know if I should specify that this is a joke

[silk egret]

there are quite a few! The main one is an outline shader

[dense oar]

if i remember correctly github should've politely asked you to reduce repo's size at 1gb

and this is 2.5x bigger

[silk egret]

theres also two lens flare shaders which are combined together, a vignette shader and another vignette shader that's red for the damage

[sudden nimbus]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as stallman is not my president, is in fact, GNU/stallman is not my president, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus stallman is not my president. stallman is not my president is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called stallman is not my president, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a stallman is not my president, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. stallman is not my president is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. stallman is not my president is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with stallman is not my president added, or GNU/stallman is not my president. All the so-called stallman is not my president distributions are really distributions of GNU/stallman is not my president!

[dense oar]

tell me your secret

[silk egret]

and then the glitch distortion shaders

all of those shaders I just named were from godotshaders.com and were made for 4.X

[sudden nimbus]

i will now stop spamming

[silk egret]

I cant do all that fancy shit myself, I only made the leaves shader

and the water shader

[sudden nimbus]

i still think CRT shaders would be better

[silk egret]

that makes no sense unless the game POV is someone watching on a monitor screen

[steady maple]

Really? I never got any kind of that warnings. More than that, i know that some people actually managed to store 1 TB at private repo, so my pity ~20 GB is nothing for Microsoft

[sudden nimbus]

they look yummy though

[silk egret]

they may look yummy but take into consideration the distortion it would have

it would make the player feel ill

(i tested a crt shader and I felt ill)

[sudden nimbus]

and glitch shaders don't!?

[dense oar]

Hyprland is a highly customizable dynamic tiling Wayland compositor that doesn't sacrifice on its looks.

[steady maple]

That template is highly universal and open-source

[dense oar]

daaaaaaaamn

[silk egret]

the outline shader works by using the depth pass I believe, just so you know because I know you have a depth prepass toggle option

the outline shader also takes normals into account (which is why I have to severely reduce the intensity of the normal maps in my game)

[dense oar]

i always felt guilty for using one of my repos as a little file storage (it takes up around 40mb lol)

[silk egret]

it takes some tweaking but eventually the outline works perfectly

project S in particular has two outline passes

[steady maple]

"There is no god in there" it says
Your screwed translator

[silk egret]

one thats tweaked for close up objects and edges, and another meant for far away objects

I tweaked them in such a way so that there is no visible transition between the close and far outlines

[fathom sentinel]

lmaoooo

[silk egret]

you could mistake it for one complete outline pass

[steady maple]

40 MB? What a maniac!
I've got to upload 200 MB of commits though

[silk egret]

when its infact two

[dense oar]

god's no more, god accepted islam

or was that joke about santa claus

i dont remember

[silk egret]

ty for the translation

I was quite concerned as to why there was a menacing frog

im now more concerned as to why it speaks russian

[steady maple]

So, i have a problem with this one. Godot 3 provides no info about it normals as far as i know. But i've seen that in that post-processing there is an option to turn on "mobile" version that uses only depth one... Damn, that'd be nice to see if there is ready outlines for Godot 3.x, that'd be nice to make mystery mode for it lol

[silk egret]

It's the same concept I believe

the way the outline shader works

is very simple

on paper

It takes a pixel from the depth map, checks the pixels around it and if theres a significant colour change, then we know its an edge and it makes it outlined

it does this in combination with the normal view so that it can be more accurate

this is much better than just rendering the model twice with the front faces culled (which is what I used to do in the pre-alpha versions)

[tardy shard]

Stirlitz has never been so close to failure

||Although, I probably shouldn't have taken Stirlitz because it's from the Soviet cinema||

[steady maple]

Man, you are the most unique person here for now as i've got to not-using-of-soviet-refs too much

To the point i started to lose that ability, god-pls-help

[dense oar]

sent help

[steady maple]

HMMM

[dense oar]

you're welcome

[steady maple]

Islam?

[dense oar]

including but not limited to

[steady maple]

Just gotta take a look

[steady maple]

Maybe that guy made it in 3.x, that'd be fun to use

Yeah it's 3.x

[tardy shard]

You're a damn "ИНОАГЕНТ"🔫

[steady maple]

Please i had enough FSB agents at my commieblock

[silk egret]

bit offtopic but ive been wondering for some time now, what does "Dadaskis" mean?

[steady maple]

I was 9 when i made this one nickname

Just overmodified "Daniil", my real name

Not even sure how did i make this one, but i kept this one all the time because... Because apparently i had no better choices and probably that is the one and only legacy i'd love to keep up

[silk egret]

oh wow, thats really cool

[steady maple]

Even if it makes it harder to use in certain cases like it might be weird to write "Dadaskis's thing" or whatever

[silk egret]

Daniil is a really nice name

[steady maple]

It means something like "God is the one who will judge me" and... Well if there is no god...

[silk egret]

oh interesting

[steady maple]

Maybe making Index Project in real life isn't that bad of an idea...

@tardy shard yeah?

[silk egret]

airsoft with extra rules innit

if you're doing it in real life

would be hard to rent out a mall to fight in though

[steady maple]

Yeah yeah no full auto in buildings
*switching to full auto*

[silk egret]

vvvvvvvvvvvvrrrrrrrrrrrttt

[steady maple]

But either way "Index Project" is something bigger than that, but i'd like to keep it as some kind of secret lore

All i can say that is my interpretation of Deus-Ex Machina, very weird and violent one

[tardy shard]

If I'm not going to be an ordinary resident who dies tomorrow from a random shootout, then I don't mind :D

[silk egret]

would there be cutscenes?

[tardy shard]

But now I'll tell you everything...

||Okay, I'm not going to tell you anything, just buy the game first||

[steady maple]

Been thinking of one possible implementation, but gotta check how it may work and if it needs that much of a work

[silk egret]

ooh interesting

[steady maple]

Todd's approved way to tell any secret

[silk egret]

I need to make a cutscene system for project S

so the player doesnt fool around inside of an elevator when you're supposed to see a view of the city

[steady maple]

The only thing that i understand (thanks @tardy shard even if you had no intention to do so) that you can basically do animation of multiple objects/skeletons in Blender and GLTF should somehow keep track of it, and Godot will keep all of these actions as a single animation if they are sharing naming somehow

I'd love to experiment with it because that FPS doesn't really feel like FPS without animated cutscenes in certain cases

[silk egret]

oh what?

[steady maple]

I appreciate Valve's approach but i'd try other way around

[silk egret]

ohh that makes sense actually

[steady maple]

Yeah, it seems to work that way, but i'm not very sure how exactly it works and how to embed it into locations. So that's why that is just an experiment

[silk egret]

how would you go about animating the camera? I don't know of a way to animate a camera in blender and transfer that data into godot

[steady maple]

I think you can definitely attempt to animate a bone and attach a camera to it with scripts and stuff

OR even export GLTF that has the camera and it should parent it automatically in Godot i think, but not sure

There are lots of things that i'm not very sure about because i didn't try it, but that'd be fun to make it work

[silk egret]

oh thats true, interesting

[steady maple]

Gonna change preview

[sly stream]

@steady maple Just changed the name to match my signature 'Pnoenix' so I don't know whether or not you can add it now or not but you can try

[steady maple]

I have a problem with finding you, there are multiple Phoenix nicknames

What's your avatar on GitHub?

[sly stream]

A phoenix...

[steady maple]

Sorry, misreaded that nickname a little

Invited!

[sly stream]

❤️

[steady maple]

Gonna use this one as preview for now

It looks like some nice shopping have been done in there

Time to go into other store

[sly stream]

...

[steady maple]

Have you tried git clone https://github.com/Dadaskis/IndexProjectExport --depth=1?

Downloading whole repo doesn't really make that much sense unless you are an internet historian

[silk egret]

whats a good place to start when creating interiors

[steady maple]

Hmm honestly i'm not even sure what to answer. For me, sometimes, it's solidify modifier, but it's not always like that. Like, you know, you can place 6 boxes, and here you are, you have a room with no doors and windows. Maybe you have a problem with adding things like doors, windows and etc?

[sly stream]

I just let it download while eating, dw

[steady maple]

That is exactly how open-source works, right?

[steady maple]

Sounds good then!

[silk egret]

yee definitely

[dense oar]

yes*

(*terms and conditions apply)

[sly stream]

I played for a little while, I will edit the clips together and add some notes maybe Ill send tomorrow or the day after

[steady maple]

Clips? Yay, we've got videos!

[sly stream]

On ultra I got like 120 fps and high i got around 200 btw

[steady maple]

Damn SSAO takes up 80 FPS

Guys, what about...

Bombarding Godot's repo with complaints about SSAO?

Alright, jokes aside, that was done before and we still have what we have at 3.x

[sly stream]

Rendering vid now

Will upload to youtube after

I think it ended up at 15 minutes or smth

no voice over tho cuz of family sleeping

so just some text noting things

Also the vid is unlisted dw

[silk egret]

I may do the same as well (without voice ofc)

so that its good for seeing how players play

when im by my pc I'll get that done and send it

[sly stream]

I think dadaskis will suffer while watching me play lol

[silk egret]

I gotta play weirdasf because I have to use a vr headset as a makeshift monitor

[sly stream]

OK... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFpfMXkW1r8

It's not processed yet but might as well throw it in here

@steady maple It's up now (in 360p, will be 1080 in like 30-40 min)

General resume:
I feel like there is a lack of feedback when you hit the enemies, maybe like a white cross and a small 'hit' sound when it's a body shot, but when it's a headshot maybe a red cross?

It's har to tell where enemies are gonna spawn? Maybe add some markers or make it so that they come running from one end of the mall?

Dialogue is a little quiet

That's pretty much all, It's really cool what you've made!

Also you can hear some discord notifications, and my youtube vid in the start (ThePrimagen pog)

[silk egret]

damn how big is this

[silk egret]

its been 30 minutes and its still cloning

[silk egret]

just putting into perspective how big this is, its still cloning

[wind ocean]

if u want some performance u should move to godot4...

[sudden nimbus]

whoa

[silk egret]

he did originally but the project was already far in development, and porting to godot 4 wasnt a good choice at the time

[sudden nimbus]

took me 5 seconds lmao

[silk egret]

bro wtf

[silk egret]

I want you to know