Project S-812

[unique hill]

OH THATS WHAT THEY DID

they added a separate menu for it

cant send full screenshot as it contains info abt the game

[icy anchor]

Basically, they started development of 4.0. really long ago. Maybe at 3.1., i think. I can be wrong. So... 4.0. was completely different branch of the engine and as it follows it was developed separately. That thing could've been added to >3.2 versions or something like that, when 4.0. still didn't have it backported. But... i guess i'm wrong!

[unique hill]

all dependencies appear to be fixed

[icy anchor]

That's for good because the menu i have is clunky, but does the thing

[unique hill]

none are broken so im not sure what to do

[icy anchor]

Secrets, right?

[unique hill]

max it contains is the game name

which is infact not "Project S-812"

thats just the name i have for it outside of development

there is an actual name

[icy anchor]

Each of these is so trash, but like a piece of history

[unique hill]

aint no way

ahh

[icy anchor]

It can go a long way!

[unique hill]

howd this happen?

[unique hill]

love that you sitll use the source way of naming things

its pretty efficient now that i think about it

[icy anchor]

That shit went out of control! Wait, i said that already

[unique hill]

omg i clicked 1 button and test course opens

dont tell me thats been there all this time

[icy anchor]

day5 was the last one where i made blockouts, all other ones are just placeholders that will get fucked soon

[unique hill]

ive not made 5 separate test scenes because of an error that was fixed with two clicks

this cannot be the case

[icy anchor]

Welcome to the end

[unique hill]

oh you leaking things now

agent_killed

poor_zone_purged

[icy anchor]

Damn that sounds painful bro

[unique hill]

hmmmm

[unique hill]

im shocked at the fact ive never seen this before

[icy anchor]

I had an idea of plot where "The Agent" will take a place as a villain that fooled around the main character, but after reworking the plot hundreds of times, i decided to make him a friend of the player with no malicious intentions, something like a guide from Terraria that will tell more about what is going on in dialog windows

[unique hill]

all dependencies are there

so im not sure what to do

[icy anchor]

This one ending is actually going to take a place in game. It's so damn funky

[icy anchor]

I can tell, if you wish!

[unique hill]

hmm maybe

[icy anchor]

ARE YOU SURE?

[unique hill]

you can if you'd like, but you should say in dms so you don't leak anything

[unique hill]

I checked with the dependencies window

nothing seems out of the ordinary

[icy anchor]

So, in this game, you play as a mercenary. And all your life is like a swing. You start as a citizen at train station, contacting some weird scientist whose teleport can get you to a restricted place... Moments later you get to an unexpected bloodshed in the mall... Moments later you are chilling in the "poor zone", one of many impoverished areas of the Index-0 where Index Control-Center does not provide any defence to citizens, the place where criminality is the norm, where everyone set up their own rules. Police never go into this place, but... there is one exception. If one (or many) start to kill too much, system monitors it, and police start assault this damn ghetto. There is a corner case - one kills all the police units (even heavy ones), then Control-Center launches missile attack to clean up the area. The end! You've killed everyone! You got yourself killed! Enjoy one of the endings

[unique hill]

Damn

you got this all planned out

[icy anchor]

In my case i still could get dependency error even if i redirected it simply because Godot ignored it for any reason. Now it is odd

[unique hill]

please create a forum channel for this game dude

it sounds so sick

[unique hill]

It says missing file right

[icy anchor]

Potentially you can open the scene file in text editor. It is .tscn, right?

[unique hill]

ITS ALL THERE

wym MISSING??

[icy anchor]

Yea, .tscn is a text format. You can check in text editor what kind of info it has

[icy anchor]

Look for ext_resource, they are on top, do you see anything wrong?

[unique hill]

theyre all good

[icy anchor]

Probably i'll do that when i'll get opportunity to actually record the game, because now i'm just limited to debug locations for the most part and... Can't tell it's bad, i still can work on the project, and i'm happy with it

[icy anchor]

Alright... Now we have nothing but dumb actions to do

We must to reload the editor

It must to do something

My grandfather said if you reload a thing it gets fixed

[unique hill]

same for pauseee

[unique hill]

I did that twiceeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[icy anchor]

Well i expected that but still had to be sure

[icy anchor]

Do you have any possibility to open the scene and ignoring the error?

[unique hill]

changing random shit until I get a different error

[unique hill]

If I do, I don't know how

since theres no immediately visible icon for that

[icy anchor]

Random bullshit go

https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/54603

Found this, they had an issue with dependency window in v4.x at 2021, but they added that thing

Damn why can't i find anything

I found the similar issue but it is for v2.0. and that's too ancient

[unique hill]

the game works but the 3 menus dont

[icy anchor]

Man i didn't want to say that

But i have a really, really strong feeling you will have to open-up a bug report on their repo

I can't find anything, but let me try again

[unique hill]

ahh

all three of those bug out

I need to find something those three have in common

and I beg its not the main theme or the button node

im going to see rn

[icy anchor]

Man, i read about this dependency thing, and a lot of people seem to miss it out. I don't like how they redesigned this kind of UX

[unique hill]

damn.

[icy anchor]

Ah, so, you've got to check dependencies in your dependencies?

[unique hill]

oh

that worked

[icy anchor]

This is some kind of NPM/PIP packages stuff i didn't really like but reminds it

[unique hill]

I fixed the dependency

wow that was simpler than I thought

[icy anchor]

Same!

[unique hill]

hell yeah

[icy anchor]

I can congratulate you, you fixed it without git reset --hard

[unique hill]

I dont gotta spend 3 hours remaking menus!!!

[icy anchor]

You are a strong men

[unique hill]

this is also concerning

what other scenes are broken like this

game dev is literally going back and forth trying random shit until you realize the obvious isnt it

i've got to go now

[unique hill]

t

*ty

cya!

[icy anchor]

You have rended the wires in your head. Your control over destiny is absolute. You can overpower Godot bugs. Life is meaningless

[icy anchor]

You literally described my day

[icy anchor]

That one last task took me so much damn time to do. And i did literally what you said, just random bullshit to fix it. BUT NOW... It works. For so much time i wanted to make this feature, and now it is in game. Such a little thing, but so damn happy

[gray spade]

those multi-thousand files usually just have whole lots of doc comments in them lol

"can i play daddy?"

(i'd like to join if possible)

[thin turret]

???

[unique hill]

whats that program? looks really cool

[unique hill]

ill deal with beta testing when that time comes

but will deffo have a list of u guys who are eager to play

is having 2000 objects normal?

[thin turret]

i think so

[unique hill]

hmmmm

[icy anchor]

"ToDoList" by AbstractSpoon. It's a free, light-weight task management program. I've been using it for a long time and mainly i do that because i had a mess in my head when i kept all ideas/tasks in my mind
https://www.abstractspoon.com

It has a damn ton of features, but i use "task tree" only

[unique hill]

beautiful thank u

[humble blaze]

Thank you so much for this

Also hoping you can make it over this hurdle Nether, had something similar happen to a previous project and had to restart

[unique hill]

ah thank you

we've gotten this far already and nothing except for github servers going down and my laptop suddenly stop working will stop us

thankfully those 2 things hasnt happened yet and hopefully never will

[unique hill]

its got that 2009 ui to it

love it

[unique hill]

exporting to see if it works on less capable hardware

also to see if my export settings work at all

that isnt a healthy framerate

4gb of ram and a very low power cpu i just tested this on

[iron shore]

download more ram smh

[unique hill]

no the point is i tested it on a low power pc purposefully

[iron shore]

https://downloadmoreram.com frfr

[unique hill]

frfr

[icy anchor]

Low framerate is the problem of those who can't get better hardware for shit!

||Meaning it might be my own problem, but i'm still in agreement with this statement||

[unique hill]

honestly worked better than I thought

I didnt expect it to even start

[icy anchor]

What kind of GPU does it have?

[unique hill]

none thats the thing

[icy anchor]

Integrated GPU? I wouldn't say that Godot works really good on such

For example, if you remove my GT1030 from my PC - i won't be able to even launch any Godot games

And even if i do, less likely it will work good because developers didn't work on making this engine to work nicely on older hardware

I've seen a couple of issues addressing this problem, and, answer is... "If you can contribute on your own - do that"

Not to mention your game is using certain high-end, expensive graphics such as VoxelGI

I'd rather prioritize the development of the game :P

[unique hill]

true

[unique hill]

I was just curious to be honest with you

[icy anchor]

That's nice!

[unique hill]

I don't know if ive ever said it before but

im working with a .1 second delay on my monitor

kinda hard to develop the game with that

my laptop monitor broke

so im using a second laptop as a makeshift monitor

[icy anchor]

When i developed gm_post_ussr with no GT1030, i had like 30-40 fps and it was killing me inside, because that meant cutting down the details i've already added, and, to be fair, i didn't even add much of them on the mentioned point

[icy anchor]

Damn dude ._.

[iron shore]

damn

[unique hill]

im not quite sure if all colours in the game look good

[unique hill]

its been broken for 6 months

ever since the start of development ive had this delay

[iron shore]

someone send this man a computer

[icy anchor]

That's painful

[unique hill]

because the second laptop has a lower colour range than the original one

[unique hill]

Im determined and im pushing through

thankfully for some unknown reason

the mouse doesnt have a delay

im so thankful that the mouse isnt delayed

but if I was to load the game right now

and move my mouse around

there will be a delay

whats happening is that any mouse input I would see .1 second after it was inputted

yet the projection app shows the mouse cursor at the correct location at all times

with no delay

kinda disorienting

[icy anchor]

Ah, that's great then. It still sucks when you can't experience your own game in the finest way possible, and, honestly, i've always had that issue ever since

[unique hill]

normal mouse but whenever its locked in a game it has a delay

[iron shore]

the mouse is hardcoded

[unique hill]

I genuinely have no idea if the game is playable or not bc theres a high chance I made most of the systems revolving around this delay

i probably made the game too biased to the player to correct for the fact i have a delay

idk though, from the playtests it seems we're good so far

[icy anchor]

Is it really possible to make the game to be too biased to the player?

[unique hill]

yes

if ur making a movement game for example

you could make everything too snappy and corrected

[icy anchor]

I mean i've seen some peeps that suck literally in all games and i don't think it can be bad

[unique hill]

like the original marvel spiderman ps4

i personally loved it

but some people found it too biased

[icy anchor]

So what i can say about these people...

Tear a hole in these people...

Anyway enough quoting the Cruelty Squad office mission

[unique hill]

lmao wait

[iron shore]

I think it's interesting how i'm the only one here with the programmer role

[unique hill]

wht

[unique hill]

no ive got it too

my artist role overrides it though

so im shown higher

if u click my name it shows programmer

[iron shore]

wow

[unique hill]

infact it shows all the roles

bc im a jack of all trades

i make good soundtracks too trust

[iron shore]

I can make okay soundtracks ig

[unique hill]

i have one I finished recently actually

[icy anchor]

You have to return the four sub-archons to null. You have to eliminate the CAD Elsa Holmes. Exterminate the pests. Tear a hole in CONTROL. Fuck CONTROL. You can do this, you have rended the wires in your head. Your control over destiny is absolute. You can overpower death. Life is meaningless.

[unique hill]

i didnt get around to uploading it on youtube

should I upload it and send it here for yall to have a listen

[icy anchor]

I'm literally nobody, just 12 year old kid with weird targets in life

[unique hill]

ur 12?

[iron shore]

i don't think you should be saying that in a server with >500 people

[unique hill]

or is that a quote

[icy anchor]

20, but still a kid deep in my soul, it's better to stay this way

[unique hill]

dam

[iron shore]

I feel like someone could report this out-of-context

[unique hill]

everyones a child deep inside

[icy anchor]

Go for it lmfao

[unique hill]

bros challenging

im creating some song art for that soundtrack give me a moment

ill have it sent here in 5 mins

[iron shore]

moment moment

i'm afraid to go further for fear it's one-click

[icy anchor]

Yeah, i want to get that message on my email

My email definitely needs something new

Plus that'd be fun to check how it works

[iron shore]

discord really asked me for feedback reporting

[unique hill]

💀

reporting doesnt do anything

[iron shore]

it does

[unique hill]

fr?

[iron shore]

ye

usually it only does crap when you report someone for being underage though

[unique hill]

.-.

[unique hill]

hows archipelago going

[iron shore]

i'm trying

[unique hill]

please correct me if I forgot the name

[iron shore]

archipelinaut

[unique hill]

omg

im sorry

[iron shore]

i'm trying ._.

[unique hill]

lmao wtf

[unique hill]

crab

[iron shore]

the crab will never be added

[unique hill]

why

explain

[iron shore]

uh

it looks weird

i oversimplified it and somehow it came out with two legs

i think the goose came out pretty well though

[unique hill]

youtube being a dumbass

1s

[iron shore]

i added reach mechanics though which was fun

[unique hill]

ooo

[unique hill]

https://youtu.be/33FAl7Ewi3A

there we go

thats the soundtarck I made recently

*track

[icy anchor]

Completed listening to "OFF - Soft Breeze", gonna play this one

[unique hill]

ight

[icy anchor]

It reminds me of level run one

[unique hill]

i think ive became a music youtuber

[icy anchor]

I'm a shitpost youtuber, glad to meet you

[unique hill]

with that one I decided to try out new instruments

[unique hill]

hello there

[icy anchor]

How did you make the drums btw

[unique hill]

i use a website that has instruments already with effects I can choose to add

the drums is an

unholy combination

of 5 different instruments

electric drumkit

2023drumkit

2013 drumkit

909 drumkit

another electric drunkit

*drumkit

and I believe one more 2013 drumkit

it sounds good even though its 5 different instruments

the reason why there are duplicates

is becase to add multiple effects to an instrument in online sequencer, u gotta clone the instrument and add the new effect on the cloned instrument

[icy anchor]

You make so much without DAW, it's impressive

[unique hill]

I love onlinesequencer tbh

[unique hill]

dont be fooled

online sequencer is very capable

it could make convincing dubstep with the right tweaks and changes

i just havent found the right settings to do so

[icy anchor]

I'm not saying that online sequencer is not capable of anything, btw

You kinda remind me of my friend that does all textures in Blender by using procedural workflow

[unique hill]

ik

[icy anchor]

When i started using Quixel Mixer (simply because it works faster), he was attempting to convince me that Blender can do the same

[unique hill]

hey guys

[icy anchor]

I mean, alright man, i know it already, why would you try to prove it to me?

[unique hill]

subscribe :) lmao

[unique hill]

i dont know tbh sorry

[icy anchor]

Nah, no worries, i just find it kinda fun because it's similar case, but, either way, to each their own

[unique hill]

thats an interesting workflow

id never think to attempt that

[icy anchor]

The only thing that really matters if you can have fun with it and make good results. You have both, as i understand!

[unique hill]

how would cosmetics fit good into a first person game

thats what im pondering rn

[unique hill]

true!

[unique hill]

there is a full character body decked out with animations n shit

but you only ever see the arms and legs most of the time

you never see the head

infact the head is invisible because it clips through the camera

[icy anchor]

Tarkov

[unique hill]

i need some elaboration on that

i dont know much abt escape from tarkov

[icy anchor]

Take a look. They have skins for their characters (top and bottom variations basically) and equipment. You can check how much it impacts the player from first-person view. In my opinion... Not really much, but it still does it and you should do the final judgement on your own

You can check some streamers or guys that make guides for this game. Knowing this is militaristic tetris, you'll notice how it works fast

[unique hill]

hmm ok

[icy anchor]

FOR THE FUCKING SAKE OF GOD HOW THIS HAPPENED

[unique hill]

LMAO

[icy anchor]

Killing the Godot process

Just putting it in fire

[unique hill]

attempted to change camera position

it made it look like bro was wearing a skirt

its a shirt hes wearing 😭

obvious reasons I cant send a screenshot

[icy anchor]

Still wondering how it looks!

[unique hill]

cartoony yet plausible looking character

[icy anchor]

Zelda

Or first Mirror's Edge cutscenes

Which are kinda anime

[unique hill]

zelda??

which game

u gotta be specific

[icy anchor]

The newest one with cel-shading and stuff, for Nintendo Switch

[unique hill]

theres a zelda thats just fully realistic

[unique hill]

ahh

yeah that about would do it

imagine that but more cartoony

(three fingers)

[icy anchor]

Illuminati confirmed

[unique hill]

fun fact

the rig is fucked

theres 5 fingers

in the rig

but 3 fingers in the model

i couldnt be bothered to change it so whenever im moving a finger im moving 2 different bones lmao

[icy anchor]

Fixed

[icy anchor]

Sounds legit!

[unique hill]

why it do that?

godot odd

[icy anchor]

If it works - it works!

[unique hill]

ironic because I just needed to fix an animation in regards to the finger placement

[icy anchor]

I wonder how you ended up with changing such a basic concept

That seems to be interesting

[unique hill]

the character model has gone through MANY iterations

infact when I made the first design of the model

I didnt even know how to make characters in blender

I just did random shit

let me show you the model because its so unrecognizable you cant even assume what it became

ok it appears I do not have the model file

[icy anchor]

Sad to see such a legacy thing to be lost in time!

[unique hill]

I found a still old but not as old model of the character originally

i didnt know how to make proper anything at that time

this was like 8 months ago

I learn very quickly

and now the current model

is very good

id show you it but

yk

the design is too good im afraid it will be stolen

omg i found it

this is the very very very first iteration

used in the prototype that was made using godot 3.2

i dont use rigify anymore because its broken for an unknown reason

it just set the limbs at a 45 degree angle for some reason

so I gotta animate all by hand

with almost no IK usage

except for blenders auto ik which itself doesnt work half the time

[icy anchor]

Blender is tricky to get working, but when it works, it's a really nice tool

Remake of COD:MW, as i know, used Blender for animations for viewmodels, which made the game popular i think

[unique hill]

to demonstrate my upgrade in 3d modelling, this is a random model I had made for fun a while back

don't think ill use it but its there if I chose to

i call it

"The Stalker"

[icy anchor]

Saw it earlier from you, that's a nice one

[unique hill]

yee

[icy anchor]

I don't use Rigify too btw. But i have IK, too nice to not have it

[unique hill]

no cause how did you color them??????????????

[icy anchor]

You just assign the bone group and set a color for it

[icy anchor]

Bone group is here

[unique hill]

huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh????????????

thats interesting

[gray spade]

is that a lot? from what i google it seems that the delay becomes noticeable only at .2 or .3; .1 seems like a good performance?

[@ to reply]
forgot about this, sorry @unique hill .-.

[icy anchor]

I feel like he said that number simply because that's how 0.1 seconds feels like for him

In reality it can be higher, but it's just my guess

[gray spade]

ah yeah that would be understandable

[wooden grail]

SUUURREEE 😉 😂

[unique hill]

i'm not quite sure what the actual delay is but it is VERY noticable

if I was to attempt to play hypixel bedwars

i am missing my sword swings at point-blank range

even if a mf moves 1 block I am going to miss

the only way I dont miss is if they dont move

[gray spade]

wow, that's bad

i guess it's somewhere around 0.5s

[unique hill]

i wouldnt go that high

.5 seconds is longer than people think

id say .2 or .25

when my internet gets bad it becomes .5 seconds

or 1

because its a screenshare from one laptop to another

oh well

im pushing through so i dont have an issue with the delay

I do have to sync the sound design to the visuals though...

idk if its synced right now

i think it is but maybe not

[gray spade]

well, if you can't aim onto a player that moves 1 block/s the lag must be pretty high
(at least same sources i mentioned above say that ~0.2s is only noticeable in FPS games like counter strike, which i'm not sure includes minecraft? 🤔 )

doesn't matter anyway though

[unique hill]

aim doesnt matter much for Project S specifically

but having no delay definitely matters

ud need to have a decent reaction time for some elements

especially one element which ive yet to master specifically because of that delay but that literally everyone else ive sent the game to instantly masters

im just like dying constantly at that part

[gray spade]

oh, sure, didn't meant that

i wanted to say that it's not worth arguing about the exact delay length

[unique hill]

ye

still got some gameplay to work out b4 i start working on levels

[prisma shard]

u could try getting one of those like 10$ old 4:3 office monitors, depending on if you have them in your area

It's actually surprisingly pleasant to work on them

When I was moving and my monitor was on a boat I spent like a few months developing games exclusively on an old Dell 4:3 beast, it was actually really great for testing multiple multiplayer instances (I had one game on the top half of the screen and the other one on the bottom half) so I got a "widescreen" experience when testing the games and the more comfy text rendering benefits of a 4:3 monitor when just coding

[unique hill]

id rather not do that because I need to be able to see what players with more modern hardware will play the game

old monitors like that may or may not display everything correctly

cause I'm not just the programmer but also the 3d artist and vfx artist

[prisma shard]

I mean you can verify the colors on the big screen

But at least you wouldn't be dealing with delay 24/7

[unique hill]

true

[unique hill]

the tv we have has its colours horribly messed up lmao

its a tv from 2010 or so

lots of restrictions and things I have to work around

it'd be easier when @sturdy void goes on christmas break so he will be available to develop

as he's the second programmer on the team

[prisma shard]

i mean is the monitor with input delay at least color accurate?

[unique hill]

id assume so, if you scroll up and check the images

is blue slightly more saturated than everything else

if so then its colour accurate

it should be as I purposefully made all black have a mild blue tint using colour correction

[prisma shard]

might be worth it to send it in to some good shop so they can do color calibration and fix your input lag

[sturdy void]

huh

[unique hill]

huh

[unique hill]

there are other reasons I have but i am not able to do that at the moment

it would be wise to instead spend money on a monitor & calibration fix, I should save up until I can get a predator laptop or something similar

why a laptop? bc yes

its fancy

[prisma shard]

huh

[unique hill]

huh

[unborn vale]

hmm

[sturdy void]

huh

[unique hill]

huh

[sturdy void]

huh

[iron shore]

huh

[unborn vale]

hah

[iron shore]

hurnh

[unborn vale]

Maybe we should stop now...

[iron shore]

(cue the villager)

[unborn vale]

I can imitate a villager to perfection

[unique hill]

do u wonder they sound like that bc of the nose

bc when u stop ur nose from nosing and try to talk u sound like that kinda

[timid flume]

Yikes man...absolutely fucking beautiful.

[unique hill]

thank u

its made of 2 particles with a smoke texture as the mist

godot 4 does wonders

[timid flume]

Yeah and I'm blown away by how incredibly polished it looks. Pretty sweet.

[unique hill]

ty! i'm working on the gameplay systems right now as there are quite a bit things to iron out

once thats done ill go back to making levels

im going to put a lot of effort in levels

a clipboard randomly thrown about would have readable text on it containing in-game lore

[timid flume]

I have looked at your stuff ever since I joined, definitely keeping an eye out on it since this project is probably one of the good looking ones I've seen on here.

[unique hill]

thanks! I've always wanted to make a game with AAA quality

its a mix and match of different shaders, the more complex ones however I wouldnt be able to code myself, such as the lens flare

so those are taken from godotshaders

but other shaders

like the water shader that was posted somewhere above, I made myself

https://imgur.com/a/WHB6yrr

this

gif has sound for some reason sorry abt that

[unique hill]

lmao

i dont even understand the math behind that shader

i just changed somethings abt it and it looks better

[icy anchor]

Something same happens in my case.

Like, in case of rim-lighting effect, i've seen 3 different shaders that did the thing, but they didn't really do what i needed, so i had to look into logic in there and try to convert to something usable for me, and, yea, here we are

I've stolen logic from 3 different persons to make my own

I'm a true scientist

[unique hill]

🥼 🧪

🔥

🧐 😱

💥

lil story there

im crouching in the game rn and the player is just floating??

[icy anchor]

Sounds clean, legit

[unique hill]

frfr

we levitating 👍

[icy anchor]

Nobody knows that player's legs are just floating to not clip through anything

And when player crouches, they just fly higher

Nobody must to know the truth

[unique hill]

I used a different technique for my game

the player's character is accurately scaled an everything

but is shaded in such a way that there are no shadows on the environment from him, but on the player

why is that?

because theyre rendered on another layer

to not clip on anything

saved my life messing around with animations

[icy anchor]

Ah, that camera technique, nice one, how do you work with lighting?

[unique hill]

VoxelGI's are used for environments

but the player mesh

is also using voxel gis for dynamic lighting

exclusively

due to the cell shading shader it has as well

it mimics the look of shadows

this also adds the extra thing where coloured lighting shows up properly

I could add another mesh dedicated for shadows but the top half of the player is always rotated to the camera

like a view model but I couldnt be bothered to model a view model

[icy anchor]

That was the reason i used to hate the tricks with additional camera to render the viewmodel, since i needed more accurate lighting on the model that is seen all the time, but in your case it sounds... weirdly fine?

[unique hill]

so its just 1 big model rotated about on the top half

[unique hill]

its perfect actually

[icy anchor]

Congratulations with making this technique to work well in your case

[unique hill]

Ill mimic how it looks on all other characters for consistency

[unique hill]

ty!

theres also a fresnel on the characters to make them POP as well

[icy anchor]

I see you've had same idea!

[unique hill]

it works very well in dark enviroments and even better in vibrant and colourful ones

[icy anchor]

My lighting effect acts kinda weird in section with fire at m_day1_3_post0, where player will fight scavengers. Their clothes are kinda bright on their own, but when they lit by fire, they become weirdly bright. So i guess i'm still not done with it and gonna either work on fixing the lighting in this area or fixing it in shader somehow

[unique hill]

interesting

i assume you use baked lightmaps rather than voxelgis

?

[icy anchor]

Yea, this is one of the levels that used BakedLightmap, but, you may not know, but one way or another, Godot 3 uses only dynamic lights to lit dynamic objects. So even "baked" lights have their "dynamic" counterpart for dynamic objects. In case of my project, i "duped" baked lights to turn them to dynamic for layer of dynamic objects in order to get more control over it, since Godot 3 lightmaps may appear way more desaturated (while dynamic counterpart appears to be more saturated). So, basically, i have control over dynamic counterpart and i may change it to make it look less weird for these dudes, but that doesn't seem to be a good fix either

[unique hill]

hmm interesting

[icy anchor]

Probably i will have to try to check the brightness of ALBEDO channel and make tweaks if it is bright or something like that

[unique hill]

kinda what I did in an old screenshot

lemme find it

ok I cant find it

somewhere here has a screenshot of a warehouse

in that warehouse there are a few lights

but duplicated lights specifically for reflection and dynamic shadows

[icy anchor]

I did some fake lights for specular lights (BakedLightmap disabled support of normal map and specular lighting) but never for fake shadows, that's interesting

[unique hill]

hmm

[icy anchor]

Disabled supports only for baked lights, that's fine, not an issue, especially when albedo (or i'd say diffuse) map is made properly

I love fingers

[unique hill]

beautiful

[icy anchor]

vec3 rim_light_effect = rim_light * (ATTENUATION * 5.0) * 2.0;

Well, i guess that was the cause of all issues, i decided to crank up the radius of lights which works bad for already huge lights. So the fix is...

vec3 rim_light_effect = rim_light * (ATTENUATION * 1.0) * 2.0;

Now dude is just vibing

[unique hill]

he vibin

[icy anchor]

Vibin robbin lootin

[unique hill]

rim light doesnt work in the cell shader I coded for some unknown reason so I settled for a resnel effect

*fresnel

its basically the same thing tbh

i dont know if theres anya ctual difference

[icy anchor]

Probably i'd have to agree, the only difference might be related probably to use-case or something like that

When fresnel is for shiny surfaces, rim-lighting is more about the light scenario itself

Alright, the question is... Who cares?

If it looks nice, if it works, just don't touch it

[unique hill]

truer words never spoken

[unique hill]

found a very well said comment on a youtube shorts video

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S9xrkjUXuUM

[icy anchor]

They are even worse when it comes to saying anything good. It's usually:

• A: IT'S A MASTERPIECE OMG (Subjective overrating)
• B: Good. (Not a single word after)
• C: It's good, but ... (Writes a paragraph of text that is just making the whole thing die in my eyes)
• D: Shit. (Not a single word after)

They are even more worse in accepting anything as-is. Everyone see some flaw they think needs to be fixed

[unique hill]

ive so far gotten A and B

with some actually good responses

such as changing the crouch button from CTRL

to C

it was ctrl because I played minecraft and valorant heavily at that time, and so had it set to control as default

minecraft has ctrl as sprint but I switched it around for the game to be more in line with other games

[icy anchor]

Sometimes i get C in certain Reddit posts and i just want to quote "Apartment Atrocity" mission from Cruelty Squad:

Now you've done it you freak shit. You've fucked up. You're being tracked by the grid. The eye in the sky is watching. We're coming for you. Prepare to die.

[unique hill]

._.

[icy anchor]

A lot of times i got D in certain of my Garry's Mod maps. For which reason? Nobody knows

[unique hill]

I'd love to have beta testers that provide good constructive responses

i do have that already but would need more

[icy anchor]

Next mission btw:

Hey sorry about the last one... Someone fat fingered the social security number of the target and it ended up being you by accident.

[unique hill]

im doing a valve

but delayed

so im fixing up everything

then anything else I change

is rapid fire

change thing -> test -> change thing -> test and repeat

[unique hill]

bruh

[icy anchor]

The only way to get actually constructive response is just having a ton of playtesters. If any of them share at least one idea - it is a constructive one

Like, in example of the Reddit post where i posted the player's legs, the top comment with 30 upvotes was like "But can you shoot your own legs"

You can definitely see that people show the interest so... Yea, i made it this way afterwards, it's easy anyway

[unique hill]

id love to share more things but im a bit overprotective due to past experiences

however

there is fall damage

and when you experience fall damage

you collapse on your ass

and its such a hilarious animation

but i cant send it

[icy anchor]

I'm not overprotective, i'm just quoting the Apartment Atrocity and coming for the authors of feedback i subjectively hate

[unique hill]

💀

[icy anchor]

Alright just kidding, but yeah

I get what do you mean

At first you can be really open for any feedback and etc. Overtime you just notice annoying patterns and getting some sort of burnout, after which you just want to make the thing YOU WANT

[unique hill]

i take feedback very cautiously

[unique hill]

usually when playtesting, and with reference to this comment

people are good at knowing it feels off

but not why

a shotgun could feel weird

[icy anchor]

One sec, i need to screenshot credits in my game

[unique hill]

someone may suggest lowering enemy health

but that makes all other guns seem less powerful

so you may up the damage instead

[unique hill]

ive got a decently large credits

[icy anchor]

Feedback that flipped my mind and opened my eyes

I can't even tell how much times that guy given me feedback that just literally broken my mind

Of course with not much clues how to fix certain things

A lot of things that felt off just were fixed over time and i didn't notice it, but still knowing such things existed kinda just cursed me over time

Sometimes he suggested ways to fix the issue and sometimes it didn't help much

[icy anchor]

It's painful so i'm not really into doing playtests like each day/week, so it happens rarely

[unique hill]

I experience that too

spend so long creating a system

for it to be instantly shattered within 10 seconds

not even joking

that happened to me with this game when someone just defied gravity

id like to add a development console and you seem to have one

any suggestions?

[icy anchor]

Sometimes it is funny, like, in earlier versions of game, my playtester frequently got killed by gas grenades. It was fun because of him yelling "FUCKING NAZIS"

Other than that? Deep inside asking a question "Maybe gamedev was a mistake?"

[unique hill]

💀 lmao

thats such a quote

game dev is never a mistake unless it is

top tier advice there

[icy anchor]

I've used one from Quentincaffeino, that is developer console for Godot 3.x, but i'm not sure if it was updated ever since. People made some new ones so... You can check the asset library for these, i can't give any advice regarding 4.x in here

[unique hill]

ooh ok

[unique hill]

can you quickly let me know if godot discord activity is working

it should say Project S blah blah

[icy anchor]

You are offline so it says nothing

[unique hill]

oh right

1s

whjat about now

i ask this because I received an error with the addon saying something was missing

and didnt get time to confirm anything with it

[icy anchor]

Everything is fine

[unique hill]

beautiful

thank u

[icy anchor]

;)

[sturdy void]

oh i get the code name now

[unique hill]

how have u only now realized this

[sturdy void]

because i didnt know what the reference was until i ran the game yesterday lol

[unique hill]

ah ye because school is taking up most of your time

[unique hill]

speaking of which I fixed a few things you should test out and see if it works better

[sturdy void]

ok cool

[unique hill]

however there are a few visual glitches

still

[iron shore]

https://rel.net/shop/powered-subwoofers/serie-s/s-812/ powered subwoofer reference ⁉️

[unique hill]

is that why its called subwoofer lullaby?????

in minecraft??

[iron shore]

⁉️ moment

[white current]

I still don't know the reference lmao

[unique hill]

dw abt it

[sturdy void]

its related to the game itself lol

[unique hill]

less frequent updates here as we work more on gameplay & levels

[icy anchor]

One of the moments when i start to commit less

[unique hill]

sick new pfp

[icy anchor]

Thanks!

[unique hill]

thinking about adding collectibles that are made of gold, this is the material ive came up with

[iron shore]

isn't gold a bit shinier?

[unique hill]

dunno

[iron shore]

idk...

[unique hill]

oh

beautiful

[thin turret]

how do

it pleases my eye balls

[unique hill]

4.2 dev6 beta has this

4.2 RC as well

however I havent updated that far yet

[thin turret]

ouuuuuuuuuuuuurghhhhhh

[unique hill]

updating from 4.1.1 to 4.2 dev6 didnt break anything for me

incase ur wondering

[thin turret]

hmmm okay

perhaps i will

[icy anchor]

Knowing this is going to be a collectible in cityscape and certain desolated areas, i won't be surprised if it is a bit dirty and has more rough surface than the shiny new gold bricks

[iron shore]

fair

i feel like changing the shininess wouldn't be the way to go about that though; adding texture would probably be a better idea

[unique hill]

yeah, its just a rough thing I came up with

will actually implement it better and make it look better

gameplay is almost finished so soon there will be more screenshots of environments popping up

"finished"

i say that in quotes because theres like

20 different bugs I cannot reproduce and they just happen randomly

shouldnt take long to iron out though

here you guys go

do give me feedback on this as well, i like to involve the community in whatever Hot Cocoa Studios does, even when its minecraft servers

[humble blaze]

Absolutely stunning

[unique hill]

ty ty

I do think its maybe a tad bit close to mirrors edge, which is not what im aiming for

since too many things are similar to mirrors edge out of pure coincidence

heres a clear night sky with some sick lens flare

made it more defined

but now the clouds disappeared

[mellow zealot]

this is an absurdly impressive screenshot

the vibes are immaculate

[unique hill]

ty ty

its come a far way from what it was originally

[unique hill]

I will be remaking that screenshot

with all the new updated graphics its gotten since then

but not now, another time

[mellow zealot]

as i was saying, the background should probably have its tri count lowered significantly if its not a playable area

the city seems to already have a polygonal aesthetic

[unique hill]

its 101k tris

topology very bad but as I said its just a prototype model for now

[mellow zealot]

quite a bit

you could have the buildings in the distance be stylistically simpler too

eventually becoming flat textures

or just flat colors

one of my favorite kinds of optimizations is adding a new detail to the artstyle that increases contrast and optimizes the game

[unique hill]

that is what it originally did in an earlier screenshot

until I deleted that map as i felt the gameplay wasnt right

still trying to define it

[mellow zealot]

do you keep the map and background as the same scene

[unique hill]

the background is a separate instance

[mellow zealot]

gotcha

[unique hill]

in here I have a voxelgi for the background which is set to a very low voxel size

just for a lil bit of gi

cause lightmapping crashes my godot

or flat out doesnt work

I tried it on @sturdy void 's machine as well

and his one just didnt even do any lightmapping

think this is better

ill fix the outline 1s

[icy anchor]

Reminds me of days when my friends managed to use 3 different weapons at the same time and i had to rewrite weapon switching entirely

[mellow zealot]

whats the gameplay

[unique hill]

bro one of my friends broke gravity

i had to recode 3 separate scripts

astounding

[unique hill]

very good

more on the chill side

i dont wanna say much abt gameplay as im afraid of copycats basically

[icy anchor]

I think you've seen it already, but mine managed to break the game with setting time scale value to absurd amount. You should try it too, it is so funky to see

[unique hill]

ive had bad experiences in the past but I dont want to be weird abt it so thats why im still releasing some screenshots

[unique hill]

any movement relating to gravity breaks if the time scale isnt 1 for me

you either ascend at a rapid rate

or stop moving flat out when urin the air

[icy anchor]

I wonder what happened to you in the past. Usually when i do stuff, people kinda ignorant about it until it gets some kind of popularity

[unique hill]

ive been screenshotting on max settings btw, solid 46 fps

heres a more defined version i'ds say

[unique hill]

id rather not say in public

theres no base btw its just a void

beautiful

@obsidian lodge ?

[obsidian lodge]

yeah this looks even better, it's pretty good now

[unique hill]

amazing

I think what ill do now is update those building models

[obsidian lodge]

yeah, that black thing is a bit repetitive on the buildings, maybe find some different building patterns so they look more unique

[mellow zealot]

visual tweaking is for me the hardest part of game development

simply for how long it takes

[unique hill]

its meant to be atennae on the top of buildings

the visual design of the game consists of many antennae

antennas

idk whats the appropriate plural form tbh

[obsidian lodge]

no, i mean the big black spots with lines on the buildings

[unique hill]

these?

[obsidian lodge]

no

[unique hill]

these?

[obsidian lodge]

yes the black parts with lines

[unique hill]

those are windows 😭

Ik what u mean tho

give me a sec

i know how to fix those

[obsidian lodge]

so only 10% of a building has windows? 😄

[unique hill]

all of them do somewhere

the models are rotated and turned and stuff

should look more window-y (is that a word) now

[obsidian lodge]

i see it now, still looks strange to me how just one small part of a building has windows and the rest is just a blank block lol

but ignoring that, all buildings look the same

same block with a patch that's the same looking windows

[unique hill]

I agree, I will 100% be remodelling all these

but I cant model each building individually

so i model around 1-5 models and scatter them about

this time ill model around 10

[obsidian lodge]

yeah, that should be enough some variation in patterns and just vary the height and style a bit

[unique hill]

yep!

beautiful isnt it

[obsidian lodge]

idk, let's see when it's done lol

[unique hill]

knowing me im probably going to spend 3 hours on some random shit like rain puddles before I make those models

sunset

rough visualization

dunno what i did to the clouds

they just disappeared

fixed clouds + daytime

now this looks so much like mirrors edge

whyyy

[icy anchor]

This time i don't think so

Mirror's Edge has more clearly defined cityscape when this can be defined as pretty beautiful urban hell

[unique hill]

hmm maybe

[icy anchor]

So i guess you got the unique style you've been seeking for

[unique hill]

im trying to avoid mirrors-edge style graphics

as i keep noticing similarities

it could just be that its the standard for video games of that time

but im not convinced

[icy anchor]

Not to say it does have more colorful lights all over the place like it's cyberpunk

[unique hill]

to be fair

[icy anchor]

Which wasn't a part of OG Mirror's Edge and Catalyst didn't use it much as well

[unique hill]

the finished city scape

will have a lot of holograms about it

i dunno if that was in ME

[icy anchor]

Mirror's Edge has never had holograms

In OG one, the cityscape was much, much closer to our current timeline in terms of feelings. Huge billboards and all that stuff

Catalyst started to go for more futuristic style, flying machines and etc. There are huge displays with ads and stuff, and, again, not holograms again

If you want to avoid ME style, i highly recommend to play the OG one (it has pretty low specs requirement) or at least watch videos of speedruns or something like that

[unique hill]

ive always wanted to play mirrors edge

but sadly was never actually able to

[icy anchor]

Knowing that Mirror's Edge series are literally dying these days, i'd rather recommend you to embrace the Mirror's Edge vibe to get more fans from that community

[unique hill]

i got dying light a year ago

which made me remember about mirrors edge

[unique hill]

?? whats happened to mirrors edge?

I know catalyst was bad but was it that bad?

[icy anchor]

Publisher thinks it doesn't worth money! Less likely we will ever get successor, knowing that Catalyst wasn't appealing enough for EA

Does it mean the game is bad? Of course fucking no

I can definitely say that lack of money killed any hope for Mirror's Edge successor

So don't avoid that style, you may show love and respect for Mirror's Edge community and may get more fans as result

Look at comments under various Mirror's Edge videos, you will see that people need more of that stuff, they ask for it

[unique hill]

ohh ok

I just didnt want this game, a passion project of mine which i have some of us at HCS helping out with to be labeled as a cheap copy

as at a first glance that may be what some persons determine it to be

we do have other projects in the works but this is one that I really enjoy working on the most

[icy anchor]

So my project is cheap copy of the games of earlier age? Sounds legit, but i'm making that stuff because i will never get similar stuff simply because of technological progress and expectations of modern gamers. I'm making this out of my principles, basically

Plus there were a lot of cases when i've seen people preferring Half-Life 2 more than other games in these series, like Half-Life 1 or Half-Life: Alyx. Or same can be said even for the Half-Life 1, i've seen quite a bunch of dedicated mappers that still make stuff for GoldSrc because they love that era of games

[unique hill]

I think I may be an overthinker

[unique hill]

true

[unique hill]

what do you think would be the response if this was a movement-based game

note the if

[icy anchor]

I'd be happy to get something similar to Mirror's Edge vibe, especially if it's all about movement

[unique hill]

interesting

[icy anchor]

Honestly i started to watch this project because i've seen something i used to love

And seeing how easily you pull it out, i have high hopes about that aspect of the game

[unique hill]

thank you very much

[icy anchor]

And potentially this subjective preference is the reason i defend it

[unique hill]

im dedicated to making sure I put the maximum effort I can into this game

and whenever I can, I get help from the other team members

[icy anchor]

Loud people may tell it's a "cheap copy of Mirror's Edge", but i can only imagine the amount of quite people that won't say a thing and still be happy with the project just because of that

[unique hill]

its coming down to exam season though, so we have less and less time

hoping that summer break would be a giant leap for the game

[icy anchor]

Damn, that sucks, good luck for you all

[unique hill]

or even christmas break

[unique hill]

oh also

didnt mean to reply to a message sorry

I was going to send this

https://github.com/godotengine/godot-proposals/issues/8478

the #3 pain in the behind

for me

the lack of a play_flipped function or similar

[icy anchor]

Knowing them, they won't add it fast and you may need to do that in Blender

[unique hill]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[icy anchor]

... Actually i just remember that i tried to do something similar in Blender and failed, so you may still need that

[unique hill]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

this is a major inconvenience

[icy anchor]

You can still try doing "paste flipped" in Blender, for each keyframe so... Maybe you need to make some sort of plugin, because doing that by hand is overkill

I couldn't find anything helpful for this, but i still could miss something

[sturdy void]

sorry im busy fuckin with music and audio engineering still

[wooden grail]

Alr my honest feedback: I feel like its too much. Too much random colors, too much glow and too much visual clutter. In the middle parts you can barely make out a single building (not the top of the skyscrapers but the lower parts). All of the glow and bloom just makes it look weird to me.

[icy anchor]

I don't know about you, but i kinda like this chaotic look because this is what i imagine whenever i hear words like "urban hell."

If chaos was the point, i support that, especially knowing that TNP wanted to get more unique look (in order to get less comparisons to Mirror's Edge). In this case it is chaotic, kinda alien, and, of course, the cityscape uses no words to tell you to get fucked with your own personal life since you are stuck in metallic/concrete maze

But, if TNP wants to create less alien and more realistic experience, then he should listen to your feedback since real cityscapes don't have such a structure, but i can't tell if realism was ever a target in this project, it was looking surreal from the start

[wooden grail]

Well I think kinda alien/ surreal is fine, but my personal preference is keeping it a bit more closer to the real cities. Thats why I loved the first posts on here with the sorta solar panels and stuff. Those last pics just didnt hit that same vibe for me...

[gray spade]

For me personally there's just so much glow that i can't even judge whether the buildings' structure is good or bad /shrug

Gotta have hard time playing this at nights lmao

[unique hill]

no worries

[unique hill]

I agree with ARez and you about the glow

there is a bit much during the day and I will need to tone it done

*down

[unique hill]

I like it as well, ill be going for a chaotic look rather than the clean separated buildings of mirrors edge

I wouldnt say the game is realistic as you can frequently defy the laws of physics as intended game play

[unborn vale]

I think the main problem is that the glow overwrites the outlines

[unique hill]

I feel this is the best version of the city skyline

[unique hill]

maybe

[unborn vale]

If the outlines were drawn after you would have the same glow but with more ✨ shape ✨ (I think?)

[unique hill]

dont think thats possible, plus it may not look as intended

the outline is a post processing shader

[unborn vale]

And so is the glow...?

[unique hill]

the glow is in the world environment node, i don't know if any way shaders and environments can interact

*of

either way I dont think it'll be a good look

fun fact there are actually 2 outline shaders

[unborn vale]

Yeah they probably can't interact...

How come?

[unique hill]

one for close up objects and another for far away things

because if I use one, the outline would be good on close objects but wouldnt feel right for far away buildings

so theres a separate one with a thicker and less defined outline

[unborn vale]

What if the outline weight was determined by the depth buffer, if possible?

[unique hill]

that is the case but it still doesnt feel right

as close up objects have very defined outlines

using normals & depth buffer

but having the defined outlines on far away buildings didnt look right

so there is a second pass

with a less defined and thicker outline

[unborn vale]

interesting

[unique hill]

indeed!

[unique hill]

just discovered gridmaps

[icy anchor]

What plans on using them? Interiors?

[unique hill]

exteriors

[icy anchor]

Actually i remember iter maps and you can potentially even do cityscapes

[unborn vale]

They are indeed very usefull

[unique hill]

I work in a manner in which its easier for me to properly visualize everything first

[unborn vale]

also does multimeshes for you instead of you having to do it

[unique hill]

I cant make a city map in blender

well i could

but it wouldnt be good

I would be unable to properly do it

but here using tiles, its easier

the buildings themselves wont be tiles I dont think

rather than making individual building models I can just plop some tiles down with em

[unique hill]

road

[unborn vale]

Road indeed indeed

[wooden grail]

I can see the pixels 👀

[unique hill]

the only way youd see this specific road texture is if you fell off a building somehow

[icy anchor]

Are you challenging us?

[unique hill]

aint no way u gon glitch out like that

[icy anchor]

You underestimate our possibilities to break the game

[unique hill]

I disagree

[icy anchor]

You really underestimate it

Because i did it too

And these guys, they broken it dude

In the most unexpected places

AI behavior? Making them magically disappear, causing a crash? Doing that only once without any steps to replicate? Here they are

[unique hill]

id be surprised

if someone manages to glitch out of bounds

tbh

[unique hill]

i havent given out a test build of this version yet

so I dunno what works and what doesnt

im hoping everything works 100% as intended

and that i am an amazing programmer and there is no gravity defying bugs

[unique hill]

this is what efficiency looks like

[iron shore]

add the backrooms

also: you're a legend

[unique hill]

thanks i know B)

[sturdy void]

you saw Coffee playtesting, right? you saw the amount of bugs he single-handedly found, right? you saw how many i found, right? and im doggie doodoo at playtesting

good playtesters are the dumb ones who will do something unpredictable

same reason coffee cups say caution hot

people are stupid and will find a way to break something

[icy anchor]

This guy knows! That's exactly what i meant!

[sturdy void]

yeah bc i am the idiot who will breakanyting hea touchs lol

[icy anchor]

Like i don't do that, especially in games whose mechanics i'm not familiar with just yet

Damn i kinda envy my playtesters for being able to disclose my own damn game in ways i wouldn't be able to even think of

[spark sparrow]

this is the reason a lot of speedruns exist

[unique hill]

hi alpha

[spark sparrow]

hi nether

[unique hill]

🍞

[spark sparrow]

🍞

pan li pona

[unique hill]

i dont understand what that means

check gc

[spark sparrow]

k

[unique hill]

less updates here as we work more on things other than visuals

will send something every so often so the forum channel doesnt disappear to the abyss

[iron shore]

BUMP

i just saved your forum channel 😎

[unique hill]

ay thanks

🔥

[spark sparrow]

🍞

[unique hill]

bigass tower

[unborn vale]

TheNetherPug’s Evil Incorporated

[unique hill]

maybe

[brisk pelican]

beeg tower

[gray spade]

i wonder what's your GPU? 64 seems like really low for a relatively simple scene like this

and it's also made in godot which automagically adds FPS boost

[unique hill]

ive been messing around with some rendering things which boosted it to 70-80 now

but it always has a low fps

[unique hill]

GTX 1650

give me one moment let me pull up my full specs

[gray spade]

hm, should be more than enough for godot

[unique hill]

decent hardware

It might be lack of optimization on my part

though if it is I truely cannot find what to optimize

[unique hill]

maybe for simpler games but I am putting an unneccessary amount of effort into the graphics

so that may be a cause

[gray spade]

may be

i just hope it won't require an rtx 5090

😂

[unique hill]

atleast a GTX 1650 for default settings

max settings maybe a 1080

for 60 fps

new default settings & enhancements give 70 fps

max settings give 40-50

[gray spade]

hm

might be discord compression but i don't see any difference

except for the fps 🤣

[unique hill]

its slightly more clearer in game and has sharper shadows

with SDFGI turned on this time

[gray spade]

nice

[unique hill]

it makes a minor visual difference on purpose

so that default settings or even low settings players wont lose too much of the intended look

[gray spade]

that's good

[unborn vale]

Memory usage always works!

That's a gigabyte of vram

can probably improved

[unique hill]

true

I cant begin to fathom what are the "textures" I am using to cause that

oh wait

[unborn vale]

Textures maybe also includes uv's and normals?

[unique hill]

does triplanar multiply the texture usage by 3 because of the x y and z coordinates

[unborn vale]

idk what is triplanar?

[unique hill]

cheating uvs

when u cant be bothered to unwrap uvs you use triplanar

imma test it without triplanar

[unborn vale]

Well when something is 'because I can't be bothered' it's prolly slower...

[unique hill]

Damn that was a major contributor

[unborn vale]

How much did it improve it?

[unique hill]

from 1K to 600mb

I need to use trinpalar for some materials though

like the untextured material

[unborn vale]

Can it not just be turned on per texture/material?

[unique hill]

it can, though I think there may be a way to make a custom triplanar shader

[unborn vale]

Who knows