Project S-812

[unique hill]

💀

I hope that some part of godot is made with gdscript bc that'd be funny

[unique hill]

2002 messages thats crazy

[muted dawn]

wow! that cityscape is awesome

[unique hill]

ty

[unique hill]

I know in 3.5, with .poll() of resource loaders, you could theoretically add a delay to smothen it out

but idk abt 4.1

I guess i could try Thread() but this will end up making me use mutexes and thats a pain in the ass supposedly

[wooden grail]

Sometimes you can use Thread() without a Mutex

Like when you don't have to access something from different threads

[icy anchor]

I did it, and, yea, still having glitches. Honestly? I'm fine with it, especially because it is not interrupting the loading screen music too

[icy anchor]

Potentially you won't even need mutexes i think. They are needed only if you need to synchronize 2 threads in certain cases, when you don't need them "stuck" and etc. In your case, you need to just launch the logic on other thread, and return the loaded scene node

Which should work, i think

[unique hill]

hmm

thats so inconvenient

would I be able to just make a loading wheel GIF and have that there instead

[icy anchor]

Animated textures are also handled by main thread

[unique hill]

Damn

[unique hill]

how exactly would I go about doing this

can threads run lines of code or do they HAVE to be bound to a function

when I added the thread system it just crashes upon startup

(it uses this func to load the menu)

(so its great for testing)

nevermind I think its because bind() only supports 1 argument

nope that wasnt it

ooh wtf?

[icy anchor]

One sec i'm going to write some code in Godot 4 to make sure

[unique hill]

good news

i got it not to crash

but now this happens

[unique hill]

Ok I know my issue now

i fixed everything except one thing

call_deferred("instantiate") doesnt return the instance

how do I make it return the instance

it seems call_deffered doesnt return anything at all

major issue

[icy anchor]

It shouldn't return anything really but one sec

[unique hill]

this means I can instantiate the loading screen, but I cant make changes to it so it basically makes no sense even having one

not make changes to it sorry

[icy anchor]

Wait a second, i can't see any code where you get result of call_deferred

[unique hill]

access it*

\

its in the loading code

the issue here is that since instantiate returns NOTHING, this code right here now just crashes the game

dw abt the full loading code its a mess honestly

[icy anchor]

I have a strange feeling that call_deferred won't ever call the function

[unique hill]

wdym?

ill check

wait I cant

[icy anchor]

Also wtf

[unique hill]

bc it never gets added to the scene

[unique hill]

wtf

ok

workable

Ill have the loading screen always in memory

one sec

wacky workaround

[icy anchor]

Hmm, i think in your case it is reasonable to load loading screen scene in main thread

Because loading screens are really small and easy to load

[unique hill]

IT WORKED

YOOO

NO MORE LOADING SCREEN LAG

[icy anchor]

No lags?

Man you make me want to do that too

[unique hill]

ill let u know how I did it if you need to

i cant show code bc there are glaringd differences between 3.x and 4.x with loading code

[icy anchor]

I love glitchy visuals, but audio getting bad artifacts sometimes too

I think i've got how principle of code works

Just gotta turn it to 3.x

[unique hill]

lemme just confirm that it doesnt lag on an extremely large scene rq

[unique hill]

ight

Damn godot lied to me

led me into a false sense of happiness just to strip it away

[icy anchor]

Still lags?

Then the cake Thread is a lie

That may not do the actual "thread" but something more like "co-routine"

[unique hill]

im 99% sure that its just my messed code not coded to work with thread

so im going to fix as much as I can

and tell u if it works

[icy anchor]

Sure thing

I honestly want it to work

[unique hill]

It would in theory work

but i have 3 loading functions

1 to load something into the memory and returns it

another to add it to the scene

and a third one which uses all three

to add the loading screen

THEN the actual level

[icy anchor]

I hope Thread actually uses more than 1 CPU core

I had that problem with Python, where threading used only one

[unique hill]

if it doesnt then thats going to be so unfortunate

[icy anchor]

I've a new addition like "Thread Groups", does it actually give possibility to launch logic on separate thread?

Like, on real, OG one

[unique hill]

im trying out a workaround where I split the waiting part of the loading screen

into another thread using call_deferred

call_deferred doesnt split it into another thread

so im lost

theres a call_deferred_thread_group???

and its not on the documentation?????????????????

[iron shore]

call deterred takes methods instead of strings

[unique hill]

its been working fine with strings so far

in other parts of the game

what does this mean???

you can run nodes on separate threads????????????????

oh my god what

[icy anchor]

I'm back, had to go

[icy anchor]

Yea about that thing, what's up with it

[unique hill]

assist me with translating these texts

Godot Engine v4.1.stable.official.970459615 - https://godotengine.org
Vulkan API 1.3.242 - Forward+ - Using Vulkan Device #0: NVIDIA - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650
 
No save file.
Discord working: true
<PackedScene#-9223371994207091282>
USER ERROR: Node not found: "HCS_Logo" (relative to "/root/MainMenu").
   at: get_node (scene/main/node.cpp:1620)
USER ERROR: On Animation: 'reveal', couldn't resolve track:  'HCS_Logo'.
   at: _ensure_node_caches (scene/animation/animation_player.cpp:294)
USER ERROR: Node not found: "GODOT" (relative to "/root/MainMenu").
   at: get_node (scene/main/node.cpp:1620)
USER ERROR: On Animation: 'reveal', couldn't resolve track:  'GODOT'.
   at: _ensure_node_caches (scene/animation/animation_player.cpp:294)
USER ERROR: Can't add child 'Spatial' to 'root', already has a parent 'root'.
   at: add_child (scene/main/node.cpp:1393)

bc this aint english

the first few nodes

*errors

are there

intentional

[icy anchor]

Oh, i guess it is trying to get nodes of Godot Editor itself

[unique hill]

USER ERROR: Can't add child 'Spatial' to 'root', already has a parent 'root'.
``` its this mf

[icy anchor]

It reminds me of what i've seen when tried to get a hierarchy of Godot Editor

[unique hill]

see it works with the menu

but just doesnt with anything else

and it doesnt lag with the menu either

Hold on

[unique hill]

are singletons processed differently than scenes

because the scene is calling universal.add_scene() but with load_level() it's universal itself calling add_scenes

[icy anchor]

I think you mean "auto-loads" and basically they are parented to root node, they are not really different from other nodes

[unique hill]

are u sure

because this suggests that they are processed differently

[icy anchor]

My game-menu works without player or other things

[unique hill]

weirddddddddddddd

[icy anchor]

Basically it is a node that changes it's own parameters and etc

Adding children to itself to show up UI

But maybe it's one more thing that has been added to 4.x and i don't know about it

Because the closest analog to singletons i've used in 3.x is auto-load of classes

[unique hill]

this is so unnecessarily stupid

USER ERROR: Can't add child 'Light' to 'root', already has a parent 'Spatial'.
at: add_child (scene/main/node.cpp:1393)
bro where did it get LIGHT FROM??

ooh wait i might know

damn

damn

it said light mb

[iron shore]

i would love to see some actual gameplay lol

[unique hill]

Nah

[icy anchor]

I have a feeling you are iterating through each node of your loaded scene and parent it to "root"

[unique hill]

USER ERROR: Can't add child 'Spatial' to 'root', already has a parent 'root'.

It's attempting to add a node that already has a parent

[iron shore]

:(

[unique hill]

that seems a little bit inconvenient

and wouldnt make sense to do unless I needed to

[iron shore]

copy, delete, paste

[unique hill]

huh

Spatial is the root node

[iron shore]

you can copy and paste a node

[unique hill]

thats the thing

[iron shore]

right click something and click make root

maybe

[unique hill]

the issue is its throwing an error for a stupid reason

[icy anchor]

It is a problem with the code that is loading the scene

[unique hill]

do u reckon

[iron shore]

how

[icy anchor]

We are not having issues with editing the scene right now

[unique hill]

hold on let me recheck my loading code

[icy anchor]

Loading screen on separate thread

[iron shore]

ok

[unique hill]

like the actual resource loader

[unique hill]

abt that gameplay

expect it at some point

no but it wouldnt be the resource loader's fault

[iron shore]

nooo not the cliffhanger

[unique hill]

the resource loader is exactly what it is

it loads resources

be it .tscn, or materials or anything

so theres

ZERO

sense

to this error

[iron shore]

make a gh issue

[unique hill]

its not anengine issue

i know that for a fact

[icy anchor]

I'd wish to see entire thing. I won't criticize it because, man, you'd see my shit...

[unique hill]

honestly and truely

[iron shore]

in that case, you'd know the error

[unique hill]

the gameplay isnt even properly finished

its good enough to play but certainly not where i'd like it

[iron shore]

and whats causing it

[unique hill]

so im refraining from sharing it until ive gotten it all good

[unique hill]

fair point

[icy anchor]

Same reason i still didn't make a post for my game and still posting to progress dump only. In fact, i suggested mods to make progress dump lmao

[iron shore]

worst case scenario the problem would be user error and someone would tell you how to fix it

[unique hill]

func load_level(path) -> void:
    get_tree().get_root().call_deferred("add_child", loading_screen)
    animation_player.play("start")
    await animation_player.animation_finished
    remove_root()
    add_scene(path, false)

    
func _loading_screen_finish_loading():
    animation_player.play("finished")
    await get_tree().create_timer(0.1).timeout
    remove_collision_shapes()
    

# Adds a scene to the current scene
func add_scene(new_scene, silent = false) -> void: 
    var thread = Thread.new()
    thread.start(load_scene.bindv([new_scene, silent]))
    var packed_scene : PackedScene = await thread.wait_to_finish()
    await get_tree().create_timer(0.1).timeout
    var instantiated = false
    if packed_scene:
        instantiated = packed_scene.instantiate()
        get_tree().get_root().call_thread_safe("add_child", instantiated)
    print(packed_scene)
    
    if get_tree().get_root().has_node("Loading"):
        animation_player.play("finished")
    
    return

the variables you see undefined are defined are at the start of the script to be in memory at alltimes

[iron shore]

i'm questioning your usage of godot 4 for a reasonably big project

[unique hill]

unity's recent events

[icy anchor]

Where is load_scene

[unique hill]

unreal engine's massive file size & performance impact

[iron shore]

godot 3.5 is typically more stable

less engine bugs

[icy anchor]

Make your own engine, trust me, it is easy

[iron shore]

i wouldn't use it for a huge project

[unique hill]

# Asynchronous background loading using Resource Loader.
func load_scene(next_scene, silent = false):
    
    if silent:
        var loaded_scene = load(next_scene)
        return loaded_scene

    paused = true
        
    # Instantiate the loading scene and add it
    get_tree().get_root().call_deferred("add_child", ls_instance)
    await get_tree().create_timer(0.1).timeout
    paused = true
    
    # Resource loader
    var loader = ResourceLoader.load_threaded_request(next_scene, "", true)
    if loader == null:
        quit()
        return false
    
    var progress = []
    while true:
        
        await get_tree().create_timer(0.1).timeout
        var value = ResourceLoader.load_threaded_get_status(next_scene, progress)
        var tw := create_tween()
        tw.tween_property(percentage_node, "value", progress[0] * 100, 0.1)
    
        if value == ResourceLoader.THREAD_LOAD_LOADED:
            
            await get_tree().create_timer(0.2).timeout
            var loaded_scene = ResourceLoader.load_threaded_get(next_scene)
            await get_tree().create_timer(0.2).timeout
            paused = false
            ls_instance.queue_free()
            return loaded_scene

            
        elif value == ResourceLoader.THREAD_LOAD_FAILED:
            
            ls_instance.queue_free()
            OS.alert("RESOURCE LOAD FAILED.", "Error.")
            quit()
            
            return false

[unique hill]

but cool lighting

obviously not my only reasoning

[iron shore]

LMAO

[unique hill]

i chose 4.0 because at the time, it looked more promising than 3.x

it still is promising

and I enjoy the fancy new features

[iron shore]

porting is always an option

[unique hill]

infact, the fancy new features are in my game everywhere

[unique hill]

I aint going to downgrade

it was a pain to convert my first project from 3.x to 4.x

im not doing that again but reverse

[iron shore]

ok

[icy anchor]

    if loader == null:
        quit()

I love how it works

[unique hill]

💀

[unique hill]

its very different from 3.5 loading code

thats for sure

[icy anchor]

Yep!

get_tree().get_root().call_thread_safe("add_child", instantiated)
Hmm, as i understand, this thing is called from main thread, so you can use call_deferred?

Probably i missed something

OS.alert("RESOURCE LOAD FAILED.", "Error.")
Damn i wanna use it somewhere in my project

[unique hill]

the loading code iteslf I dont believe is the issue

[unique hill]

I recently fixed up the loading code abt a month ago

then came back and fixed it again yesterday

but i didnt change much so i had those still there

from when I applied a very hastily made fix

(it did nothing in the end 😭)

[unique hill]

ive got no clue where to go from here

just trying things to see what happens

if it works then alright

[icy anchor]

ResourceLoader.load_threaded_request(next_scene, "", true)

What if you won't use the third argument?

[unique hill]

I think Ive been looking at this wrong

[icy anchor]

I feel like it will act weirdly in a thread

[unique hill]

I've been looking at add_scene this entire time, but I never looked at load_scene in depth

and

im ashamed to admit it

ive just realized

the loading screen code

is mostly in load_scene

💀

[icy anchor]

That's why i asked for it :P

[unique hill]

im going to try out a thing and see what happens

[icy anchor]

I'm thinking about...

[icy anchor]

What if you will attempt to use "silent"?

Setting second argument as true

Come and think about it, it is not a main thread, so there is no need to use "threaded" thingy

[unique hill]

thats code I put in there on purpose

to just instantly load a resource

[icy anchor]

Yea yea, i think it can be useful too

[unique hill]

which means it skips the loading screen all together

[icy anchor]

We gotta check if it works

If it loads everything as it should without freezing the entire game, that means you can just change logic of loading screen to avoid that method

For now i have nothing but theories though

[unique hill]

load() does freeze the game

load() is a built-in godot method

[icy anchor]

But load_scene in this case doesn't run on main thread, right?

If other threads won't freeze the main thread, that means they are actually working asynchonously, like, on other CPU core

[icy anchor]

Btw, load is just simplified load method of ResourceLoader, as i understand

[unique hill]

Ive been running the load_scene in a separate thread all this time

now

im going to try to run the loading screen itself

in a separate thread

[icy anchor]

I think you should run only loading logic there

Because main thread (as i understand) is rendering stuff

[unique hill]

the entire game would be paused and stopped when loading id assume?

[icy anchor]

Mainly you wanna load things on other thread to make it not appear freezed because of the main thread occupied with this kind of operation

[unique hill]

thats only if you have seamless loading

i dont have a need for that yet

[icy anchor]

But you wanna make the loading screen not laggy

[unique hill]

k so what i was doing didnt work

I have the issue

this piece of shit

halts the main thread

but its also

such a painn

to make it not

so now ive gotta do some weird shit

[icy anchor]

What if you will just place some boolean variable and change it to make some logic run in _process? It sounds like a hack, but maybe it'll work

[unique hill]

thats what im about to try

[icy anchor]

I've got to go for now, see ya

[unique hill]

Cya

[unique hill]

this is such an unfortunate thing ive done to myself with this loading screen

[icy anchor]

Reminds me of Source-like foot IK i wanted to make

I had 3 attempts to make it, i still have code in my human model script, and... It is just broken

[unique hill]

at this point im postponing it and focusing on gameplay

[icy anchor]

Better done than perfect for sure

[unique hill]

at this point im just like

[icy anchor]

Going insane?

[unique hill]

more than what i already am yeah

[unique hill]

im 99% sure im overcomplicating this

and theres just a toggle option somewhere to do what I want

oh my god there is

what the actual f

@icy anchor

nevermind I was LIED to

AGAIN

[icy anchor]

I start to have a really, really strong feeling that they named Thread wrong and it should be Coroutine

[unique hill]

It does start a thread its just disgustingly complicated to run at the same time

[heady thorn]

Looks cool. Just wondering how you put those buildings together? Blender then an outline shader in Godot?

[unique hill]

you guessed it

Models are made in blender then imported into godot, which I then use Godot Shaders to apply onto the models

the outline is just a screen space outline shader

allows for more control than the regular fake outline shader thats built-into godot

[heady thorn]

For sure, looks good. I think this is where Godot will shine even more; using it to create more stylised games, especially in the FPS space

[unique hill]

true that, though I wouldnt call my game an FPS

its just first person

[heady thorn]

Of course

[unique hill]

Dadaski's game is a really good looking FPS game though

[heady thorn]

Will be interesting to see how performance is maintained

[unique hill]

I started to focus more on the stylization

so I made concrete look like an oil painting but just very very faintly

[unique hill]

hoping that it would maintain a decently high fps

[heady thorn]

Which one is that exactly?

[unique hill]

otherwise it'd be rather unfortunate

[heady thorn]

Yeah, that's my biggest worry tbh; once you start pushing for more vfx etc.

[unique hill]

don't know the name but he's sent some things in #1149772367682355330

[unique hill]

im sure its fine

probably

[heady thorn]

Switch on volumetric fog and global illumination 😉

[unique hill]

theyre already on

though volumetric fog is set to a very very low amount

[heady thorn]

Oh sweet

[unique hill]

volumetric fog is only used for like

Light rays of spotlights

well it's supposed to

I didnt add anything using it as yet

and SDFGI basically is the entire lighting

[heady thorn]

It's looking good for sure

[heady thorn]

Custom shaders?

[unique hill]

nope, Paint dot net and simple normal maps

paint dot net for it's oil filter

[heady thorn]

Ah, so texturing only

[unique hill]

it gets the job done imo so

[heady thorn]

For sure, what kinda game is it?

[unique hill]

I was inspired by a blender oil painting shader which did the exact same thing

but in blender

[unique hill]

trade secret

however

it is story-driven

and mildly open world

[heady thorn]

Sounds right up my alley 😎

[unique hill]

reposting a screenshot i already sent here so it would be at the end of the chat

insane 329 mb used

[heady thorn]

Would love to see a short video tbh

[unique hill]

honestly the gameplay is mid atm

I'm still trying to make it better

[heady thorn]

More interested to see the graphical style in movement atm tbh

[thorn dome]

using less than Discord

[unique hill]

TRUEEE

[thorn dome]

tbh using less memory than Discord isn't really that impressive though

I'm sorry I've started complaining about discord again, haven't I

[unique hill]

complain away

discord frequently uses 500-800mb on my machine

[unique hill]

ive never played a game that hasnt used 1GB of ram

so its quite astonishing

random fire in a trashcan on rooftops

dunno why I made that tbh

who puts a trashcan on fire on the roof of a building

[wooden grail]

cuz it uses Electron, which is huge

[plush turtle]

to set the building on fire for a cool fire level of course

[unborn vale]

✨ Electron ✨ /s

[unique hill]

ive been doing so much chem I read that and deadass thought about atoms 😭

[unborn vale]

You would think discord has enough money to make a proper desktop app

[unique hill]

what is Electron?

[unborn vale]

Javascript 🤮

[wooden grail]

its a framwork for making desktop apps

[unique hill]

fire

[unique hill]

how dare you

[wooden grail]

https://www.electronjs.org/

[unborn vale]

How dare you say how dare you

[unique hill]

I use javascript for discord bots

so

how dare you

[unique hill]

aint no way github desktop

wtf

[wooden grail]

Yep

[unique hill]

and github desktop runs better than discord

so does skype

and dropbox

[wooden grail]

Well then they probably were smarter about it XD

[unique hill]

well idk abt skype its been 10 years since ive last used it

[unique hill]

this is normal javascript things

true isnt === to 1 because === means absolutely equal

but == is because == just means equal

[wooden grail]

bruh

[unique hill]

but from an absolute standpoint, true is not an integer and therefore cant be 1

sorry I went nerdy

[unborn vale]

Rust is better 🔥

[unique hill]

how the actual

[wooden grail]

YESS

[unique hill]

how tf can true+true+true equal three

wtf

[unborn vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/797313593133236224.gif?size=48&name=ferrisBongoHyper&quality=lossless

[unique hill]

agreed

[wooden grail]

Rustaceans assemble 😄

[unborn vale]

1+1+1 :)

[unique hill]

weird

we got oil painting-like textures

ignore the obvious seams I need to fix that

[unborn vale]

true == 1 therfore true+true+true is the same as 1+1+1

[unborn vale]

reflecton pwetty

[unique hill]

ikr

I still cant get that thread bullshit I went into 2 days ago to work

so im procrastinating by doing graphics stuff

[thorn dome]

discord is one of the worst electron apps in existence. Electron is not very good in general, though. (Tauri is an alternative to Electron that runs much faster, uses less memory, and produces smaller apps [but you have to learn some Rust])

[thorn dome]

A framework for easily turning web apps into desktop apps. Except it runs an entire Chromium browser for every app leading to huge amounts of memory used, lots of cpu usage, and large cache directories + large installers

[unique hill]

horrific

[thorn dome]

Tauri just uses existing webview implementations on the system (Microsoft Edge on Windows, WebKit on MacOS and iOS, and webkit2gtk on Linux)

[unique hill]

testing out lensdirt

i think it looks good

and in that case I think im all done from a graphics standpoint

[wooden grail]

Yes but probably not for a player controllers first person view

For cutscenes or main menu, yes

It wouldn't make sense to have dirt on your fucking eyes

[gritty flicker]

Yooo this game looks beutiful
What's the gameplay gonna be like?

[icy anchor]

Jokes on you i used to love HL2 MMod for that!

[white current]

To be fair, lens flare in games like Titanfall 2 aren't realistic either but it sure looks great!

[unique hill]

ur right

it wouldnt make sense to have dirt on your eyes

[unique hill]

the gameplay gon be fun

story-driven

a few puzzles here and there

[unique hill]

the best hl mod right

or am i wrong

spent some time making an actual lens dirt texture rather than using godot's noise texture built-ins

[icy anchor]

HL1? Maybe. HL2? I don't know, but, damn, it was such a good addition to original game. It feels like something Valve would do

[unique hill]

I watched some videos on it and got the MMOD mod for gmod

weapons were really smooth

sad it didnt have the lens dirt you seem to be talking about

[unique hill]

have you ever had the error where you accidentally set an image to a normal map and now that image is permanently yellow

[icy anchor]

Not really because i rarely set it by hand, but you can fix it with changing import settings

[unique hill]

wdym rarely set it by hand?

[icy anchor]

I rarely work with materials directly because most of them are generated, but it is true only for location materials (there are like ~350 of them at this point)

[unique hill]

generated???

[icy anchor]

Yea, plugin makes these

[unique hill]

its not yellow anymore !

[icy anchor]

Yay!

[unique hill]

fun fact, those keys are a displacement map

only 8 faces here B)

[icy anchor]

That's nice

[unique hill]

I just remembered, gordon freeman has glasses

thats why there gets dirt

would also make sense why theres lens dirt in my game too yeah

[white current]

Is there a link for the game?

[unique hill]

heavy wip still

this is still the pre-alpha version

[unique hill]

hoping to get a demo out rather soon

[unique hill]

i feel i might go all out with those outlines

[unique hill]

the player character has been rotated on its z axis by 2 degrees

the last time I rotated it, was months ago

hes been rotated on the z axis for months

[open raven]

I'm a bit confuse about all this shapes and owner ids.

• I got an StaticBody3D
• I add a CollisionShape3D child
• I assigned a ConvexPolygonShape3D to the CollisionShape3D .shape
  Is it done? or do I have to add the CollisionShape3D to the StaticBody3D via an owner id (who is the owner?, is it self owned?)

[icy anchor]

Hmm, well, as i understand, you want to make default physics collision in Godot, which is just:

> StaticBody3D
>> CollisionShape3D

And you assign a "shape" to CollisionShape3D. You can use multiple collision shape nodes if you want to use multiple convex parts to form a concave collision, for example.

The optimization i suggested allows to reduce amount of nodes in node tree just by removing CollisionShape3D, since internally, it does some sort of this code with adding a physics shape to certain physics body owner through code. Basically, you can set the physics body as owner of that shape, and it will use it

[open raven]

Ok, yes I have like 1 StaticBody3d for 9 CollisionShape3D (Convex Bezier Curves), but as you recomend it's better to have just a few nodes and a lot of CollisionShape3D?

[icy anchor]

The code i've sent basically allows you to use only one StaticBody3D and get rid of other CollisionShape3D. If you wish, i can check the code you are using to reduce the amount of nodes and tell what exactly may go wrong, since it is not really well-documented feature

[open raven]

So the idea is to reduce the amount of nodes?, Is there a big hit in performance with a lot of nodes?

[icy anchor]

Sadly, yes, nodes impact the performance quite much

[icy anchor]

But i'm about cases when you have, like, 4000 and more nodes, it is recommended to think how to use less. I've got, like, ~40% performance boost when i lowered it to 2000 nodes, but, once again, i have really bad hardware. It is recommended to optimize your node-count only when your project really needs it

[open raven]

Damn, I got around 15K-20K nodes

[icy anchor]

Hmm, sounds like you have a reason to lower amount of nodes by removing collision shapes at least for sure

There is one downside of my method, though

You won't be able to do things like disabled property of CollisionShape3D and other stuff, on other hand, you can still do that with using those low-level methods

[open raven]

I could also reduce them on the rendering side, as I haven't found a way to combine meshes in order to reduce drawcalls (I mean combine meshes that share the same material and shader)

[icy anchor]

Hmm, yea, sadly, they removed merge_meshes from MeshInstance3D for some reason, it could do that thing. Potentially you may need to write your own code to add data in ArrayMesh or something like that. Or, also, someone could write it as Godot plugin, but i didn't check it yet. Still wondering why they didn't add merge_meshes for now

[open raven]

I will take another look at adding data to the ArrayMesh. As on FPS physics right now I'm dealing with CharacterBody3D and stairs

[open raven]

Wow, only SeparationRayShape3D pointing down was needed https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/classes/class_separationrayshape3d.html
Damn I'm amazed

[unique hill]

trying out fancy clouds using Displacement Maps

[open raven]

That was a very good tip, Indeed I use just 1 common MeshInstance3D and added all the other meshes as different surfaces on ArrayMesh and use that combine total as MeshInstance3D.Mesh however I encounter another Issue I was not aware, there is a limit MAX_MESH_SURFACES that is 256, so with a Linq.Chunk(MAX_MESH_SURFACES) it WORKED, now I have 3000 object less

[icy anchor]

Clouds looking interesting

[icy anchor]

Oh, i'm glad to know it worked well for you! I definitely need to try making a node to combine several meshes, too. For now i'm doing that in Blender (loosing control after that of course), but it is impossible to work like that when i use my LocationProp which is just unique mesh instance with it's own properties

And, gotta say, 3000 objects is significant decrease. I can imagine how much you have lowered the draw-call amount

[open raven]

Exactly, as I try to group everything for the render call (same shader, same lightmap, same type)

Now I need to do that on the collisions

[icy anchor]

Sounds great! I wonder what kind of physics FPS you have. Always curious to see people making such stuff in this engine

[open raven]

My Bunny Hop sucks but you get the idea

It's using Jolt physics

[icy anchor]

Damn, nice graphics you've got in there. I've seen quite a lot of times when people attempted to recreate Quake-like graphics in Godot, but that definitely seems to be the best attempt simply because i wouldn't tell that was even made in Godot

[open raven]

That's the idea. Still there is a lot of shaders to be done, but the basic textured/vertex color/lightmapped shader is done.

[icy anchor]

I wonder how do you do lightmaps, they don't seem to be Godot ones, or maybe i'm wrong

If you bake them externally, how will you support dynamic objects?

[open raven]

Lightmap are generated dynamically from code (had the issue of reversed wraping) the dynamic objects will be done with a kind of shadow shader (actually it's a dark light and lot o stuff) but it simulate the world wonderfull as each map has the sun data, as such I could recreate the lightmap only for dynamic objects

[icy anchor]

Damn, that be really nice to see your implementation of light probes, as i understand, they were used back in Quake too

That's really impressive you made your own lightmapper that doesn't look bad as well, no seams or other stuff

Honestly always wanted to get my hands on it, but as result decided to not work on it for now

[open raven]

Thanks, I can't wait to go back to netcode, but as the damn Unity situation unfolded, I needed to migrate to Godot and started again. The idea is to be able to handle up to 8 player splitscreen.

[unique hill]

a decrease that oddly resulted in 12 orphan nodes at all times

[open raven]

Luckly no orphan nodes (yet)

[icy anchor]

So you also made all of this stuff in Godot in a such short span of time? That's impressive too

[icy anchor]

Unparented nodes to scene tree, my beloved! They can be useful for optimization too

[unique hill]

ty

its literally just a plane with a normal map on it

and some fancy displacement

its so cool how you can make such fancy effects

with so little effort

[unique hill]

I dont even know what they are

[icy anchor]

I highly recommend using Performance class to gather data of your resource-usage in real time when you playing the game. It may be really useful to get info about how much draw-calls you have, how much vertices being drawn, etc

[unique hill]

scrumptious

[icy anchor]

I love such stuff

[icy anchor]

Now you know!

[unique hill]

im liking that more and more people are trying typical AAA effects in godot

godot 4.2 dev6 brings a massive improvement

the new screenshots are on that build

drops ram usage from 500

to 100

on default settings

I however am not using default settings in my game

im using slightly above that

[unique hill]

its nicely done

[icy anchor]

It makes me afraid to think what kind of optimizations next minor update for 3.x branch can bring to me...
... actually if they will make it, yea

[open raven]

I was looking if there was something as Render Frame Debugger as Unity had

[unique hill]

theres an app similar to hammer editor that lets you make quake-inspired maps in godot

[icy anchor]

Yea, you gotta make it yourself. Honestly, render frame debugger was the reason i started to look into this thing because i missed it a lot in Godot. Now i have it as a part of debug HUD that can be turned on in game. Can't be sure if it will work well in exported game, though

[icy anchor]

Trenchbroom?

[unique hill]

unsure of the name

[icy anchor]

Heh, pretty sure you are talking about Qodot and Trenchbroom, these two are used for Quake-like things

[unique hill]

is there any 3d game in godot that has impeccable realistic graphics

[icy anchor]

I was amuzed by amount of projects that attempt to make Quake-like stuff, but after seeing how much tools for level design exist out there... Well, not that surprising now

[unique hill]

that runs normally

[unique hill]

I think it was Qodot

[icy anchor]

Qodot is just a Godot plugin that makes it possible to import .map format

[unique hill]

oh then its not

hmm

[icy anchor]

So you need to use third-party apps to make .map, such as Trenchbroom and many others

[unique hill]

whats a decent workflow for interiors

do you reckon blender everything or csg nodes

[icy anchor]

Blender everything

[unique hill]

hmm

graffiti

im starting to do extreme optimizations using textures, for example, this fence was previously a model

& this entire ac system

I dont know what a rooftop ac looks like so I just did something

it came out well right

[icy anchor]

But i gotta say the algorithm of my work:

1. I make a scene in Blender
2. Synchronize all Godot materials with Blender using my own plugin
3. Make things, assign materials, do booleans, etc
4. "Export collection as location blockout"
5. In Godot, i assign a blockout name in LocationBlockout node, updating it, and that is reading exported .glb file, assigning proper materials to it, doing various fixes, turning all meshes either to LocationBlockoutMesh or occluders.

I never do stuff regarding modelling in Godot. Godot only used for gameplay setup, or, maximum for placing LocationProp things which add a little bit more detail to scenes. So, yea, i never assign materials inside of Godot, never touch geometry, none of these things

[icy anchor]

Interesting stylized ones

[unique hill]

why not modelling in godot?

or materials

[icy anchor]

Because it is slowing the process down, regarding to my previous experience with Unity

[unique hill]

I added parralax

[unique hill]

I make all materials in godot so idk

besides images and uvs

which is done in blender

[icy anchor]

To each their own, you know

[unique hill]

https://hotcocoastudios.itch.io/

we have an itch io now :O

[open raven]

Finally manged to merges the grouped meshes into 1 surface, and now with oclussion culling via PVS and BSP nodes I reduced the draw calls!:

From 1400-1500 to 68!

[wooden grail]

thats very good!

[unique hill]

thats fancy

u should prob create ur own forum channel tho

id love to follow this games journey

[iron shore]

has the game commpletely changed???

i have no idea what's happening

[thorn dome]

TriggerCoder has their own game and they're kinda both doing progress updates in the same thread for some reason

[unique hill]

no

for an odd reason we've got two game progresses going onhere

theyre completely unrelated to my game

which ill dub as

uh

Project S

yeah that makes sense and definitely has no relation to the name of the game whatsoever

[icy anchor]

Amazing numbers dude! I'm glad to see that project not only replicates the graphics of Quake, but also such performance stats too. Btw, if you will make a new thread, don't forget to ping me

[unique hill]

same as well! ping me too

[open raven]

Yes sorry for hijacking the thread a bit. As I came to Godot following the Unysaster, and while doing some search on collision (shapes, owners ids, collision and CollisionObject3D), the only detail reply came from @icy anchor from an old message, that was the one that I quote to ask for help.

[unique hill]

its all good

please do make a thread because I really like where your game is going

and I want to follow it without being caught up in my thread at the same time with a weird mixture of the two

[unique hill]

trying out a flashlight feature to see maybe if it can be added and balanced

[iron shore]

nights with that many stars are brighter

[unique hill]

thats a fair point

but I wanted to make it like

you use the flashlight for vision but sacrifice blank

[iron shore]

that looks like a horror games lighting kinda lmfao

[unique hill]

yeah ur right

very far from the games genre

I do want to have atleast one horror section

like ur being hunted by something

kinda like half life alyx but then again hla itself is almost entirely horror

yk with the

whats his name

barry

or something

who can hear but not see

[unique hill]

trying out interiors and testing out how good i am at lighting

no fancy volumetric lighting is going on here lmao its just one long model

[thin turret]

LOL

you using them 1991 tricks

[unique hill]

really love this, and also noticed that the orphan node count is 0

[thin turret]

i think it looks p good tho

[unique hill]

im using them 1991 tricks

[unique hill]

everywhere I use those tricks

[unique hill]

ty ty

[thin turret]

ye ye

[unique hill]

honestly

the best thing ever in godot

has to be amd fsr 2.0

its so wild i can render a frame at 0.5x the resolution

and upscale it without any noticable loss of detail

heres another angle

fancy

[frail portal]

very convincing, that's a great strategy

[unique hill]

ty

[iron shore]

that's an incredibly dusty room lmfao

it's very good and fooled me though

[unique hill]

i didnt add the dust particles yet

[unique hill]

ty ty

im planning on making it

a massive interior

maybe a warehouse or something?

idk

[unique hill]

dust

[unborn vale]

dust indeed indeed

[icy anchor]

My beloved dust motes

[unique hill]

dust

[unique hill]

should I keep this sunset-like lighting

or go back with daytime

I feel I might stay with daytime just for some variety in lighting

[wooden grail]

I feel like for sunset it needs to be more orange

for day more white

[unborn vale]

I like that colour you have right now... Reminds me of a late summer afternoon with icecream

[unique hill]

i might make it more white

[iron shore]

holy crap that's good

[unique hill]

ty

[unique hill]

im making a fancier version of this

[unborn vale]

You know the around 1500 draw calls you had once doesn't seem that bad anymore...

[unique hill]

holy

what are you doing to cause that???

[unborn vale]

Well...

I am attempting to remake minecraft

And didn't really want to do mesh surfaces properly

So I just amde a new mesh per block lol

But I get 7 fps with just a couple thousand of blocks soooo

[unique hill]

thats very inefficient

[unborn vale]

I know...

[unique hill]

dont do that

[unborn vale]

I just wanted to confirm my meshes were working

[unique hill]

im more surprised at the 7 fps you have

[unborn vale]

and that the chunking system was working too

[unique hill]

if id done that my pc would simply perish

Im recoding a major system of my game rn

[unborn vale]

Well I have an rtx 3060 so I can run some of my bad code lol

[unique hill]

so dont expect screenshots for a bit

[unique hill]

gtx 1650 for me

its a good thing i have a mid laptop

bc now i can optimize my game

heavily

[unborn vale]

Wait

My dbd game is starting

will be back in like 10-15 mins

[unique hill]

gl

assuming thats dead by daylight

[unborn vale]

I won pog

[unique hill]

ggs

as killer or innocent

[unborn vale]

killer muhahaha

lol

[unique hill]

hehe

[unique hill]

heres an image to feed ur 3d environment addiction

[unborn vale]

And only 248 draw calls lol

[unique hill]

it was a pain to get the fps and drawcalls like that

and I still dont know how its at 200

its should be at 100 or something

[unborn vale]

I should be able to get my draw calls down to one (in edge cases 2 or 3(but very rare)) per chunk

[unique hill]

thats untextured tho

it'd get higher when you add textures to the mix

[unborn vale]

I don't believe so no

[unique hill]

ive really got to strategicly place the camera for these screenshots

[unborn vale]

If I bundle the texture along with the vertex, uv and normal it should just be one draw call

[unique hill]

to make sure i dont leak something important

[unique hill]

ooh that makes sense

[unborn vale]

Before calling add_surface you can add all the data in mesh_data

[unique hill]

thats interesting

is it gon be another generic minecraft clone

or something fancy to it

[unborn vale]

Idk

Just wanted to try

Maybe see if I can get better performance than minecraft

(Not going so well so far lol)

It oculd also be fun to add multiplayer with steam

[unique hill]

you can

minecraft is so

horribly unoptimized

the java version

bedrock edition is optimized but sacrifices features (and bugs)

[unborn vale]

yeah

But like, if I add the same things at java has it will probably begin to decline at a higher rate

since I write in gdscript

Idk tho

[unique hill]

probably but still would perform better than minecraft maybe

it takes one mod to change my frames from 58 to 367

one mod

[unborn vale]

Yeah sodium

what a savior

[unique hill]

three mods for 800

[unique hill]

ong

minecraft java mods to make

on fabric

nvm forgot where I was going with this 💀

[unborn vale]

Lol

I want to add easy mod support for my clone

making it so that everything is defined in json or smth

[unique hill]

i think godot has a .pck way of doing that

[unborn vale]

maybem I will have to look into it when I have the base game up and running

[unique hill]

alr

[unborn vale]

I have now eaten

And I have not gotten any wiser

So the main hurdle right now is getting top, side and bottom textures to work

It's easy if you can add an surface for each block but harder when you have to share the surface over several blocks...

[unique hill]

dont forget to add culling

u should make a forum channel for this

i wanna follow it

[unborn vale]

Sure!

[unique hill]

without mixing this game and that

ping me when u make it pls

[unborn vale]

Will do!

[frail portal]

ah, so I assume no culling?

[iron shore]

i love how much that happens

i'm gona post hamstory updates here

(/j)

[unique hill]

story abt a slice of ham?

[unique hill]

💀

[iron shore]

hamster

[unique hill]

ooh

[icy anchor]

Minecraft originally has had no culling, and i can't tell if that'll help much because chunks use a lot of geometrical space anyway. Problem in Phoenix case is that there is no meshes combined together, like it is done in original Minecraft where each chunk is a separate MeshInstance3D. Damn, it reminds me of nice times when i've attempted to create a minimalistic clone of this game... just right before i got into weird violent rabbit hole

[icy anchor]

Ping me too when you'll make it, quite interested to see development progress

[frail portal]

In all of the Minecraft recreations I see, they always mention culling as basically a requirement for performance

But I've obviously never done it

[unborn vale]

I think the mean culling as in hiding the faces not visible and not chunk culling

[unique hill]

I think vanilla mc has miniscule amounts of culling

but still culling

like Face culling

and block culling

makes no sense rendering faces & blocks you cant see yet

theres also frustrum chunk culling but no frustrum block culling

Sodium adds a significant more amt of culling

[unique hill]

Project S-819

renamed this post

[iron shore]

wow a name

that's not very memorable imo

[unique hill]

development name

there is an actual name but it reveals too much

[unique hill]

memorable enough

better than "working on a 3D first person game in godot"

[humble blaze]

I personally dig the new codename

[wooden grail]

D: So no open development? 😫

[icy anchor]

Nice one

[icy anchor]

Being open to people doesn't end up well at most of times really, so i'd personally wait for the time when dev will open it all up when it is actually worth it

[wooden grail]

Why?

[icy anchor]

For many reasons. I personally had a lot of bad experience in cases of community/communication overall, and that'll be hard to explain without providing personal examples, which i don't really want to because that'll involve describing other persons in a bad light. However, i can tell one example which is actually related to naming of my own game. When i started development of it, i kept it pretty low-key, not telling much to others, and, honestly, happy about it because earlier it used to have "Mall Purger" as naming, and only now i realize it wasn't a good idea at all. Even right now, i'd rather focus on development, rather than telling people about the project, to avoid confusion and disappointment from all sides. And, yea, this is pretty subjective, i know, just wanted to say i understand why @unique hill keeps it like that for now

[wooden grail]

So youre saying the open dev. helped you discover that that name was unsuitable? 👀 I dont see the negative thing about that

Road to Vostok dev is doing pretty open development. Works good for him

[icy anchor]

Nope, i didn't tell to anyone much about the name of the game, but if i'd do, that'd cause confusion

[wooden grail]

DRG devs want to go back to open dev

[icy anchor]

But he didn't tell anything about the project during 5 months of pre-production stage

I support open-dev, but that needs to be done carefully, and Road to Vostok is good example of that

[wooden grail]

No ofc not but I didnt view this project in PRE PRODUCTION

[icy anchor]

Because the dev didn't want it to be that way, it is a really good example of being more careful with spreading information about the game, to keep it clean

[wooden grail]

already having an internal secret name which is so "telling" that you dont even want to share it, sounds like the whole thing is already planned out.

[wooden grail]

also this sounds like its in active development

So if OP would want to follow the RtV footsteps, he could do open dev about now

But i get that some people dont want to be open

Open development also involves less risk for the game dev

Because you already get feedback soon in the dev phase

So you can slightly adapt or consider the feedback

But you need to know your vision well so that you dont change the whole game based on a single feedback giver

[icy anchor]

I'd rather recommend him to take his own time and focus on development, as he does right now, i fully support the current state of the project in these terms. As i said, open-dev is not bad. It is only bad (and harmful) when done too early

[wooden grail]

Yep true

[unique hill]

i appreciate dadaskis explaining all that

im not going to share much until the game is in a playable state that is fun

ive got a playable state but it isnt fun

i dont know when i would be satisfied with it but im not going to put something out into the world without knowing beforehand that it is the best I did

[heady thorn]

He's communicating and logging his development, but I don't think he's really open to the community. Best to keep your head down and focus on your vision before others fuck up your game.

"Oh, can you add springy-dick jump-pads?" Errr, no... 😂

[icy anchor]

"Can you add nicer visuals? I really love reflections in this environment *shows a game with PBR and AAA-assets that was developed by army of artists*"

[heady thorn]

"Yeah, like Apex Legends crossed with Titanfall." 😂

[unique hill]

"I don't like this feature. You should remove it and replace it with [other feature that doesn't fit in the game at all"

[heady thorn]

"You should totally add a 2.5d camera and make your FPS switch to a Command & Conquer mode..."

[unique hill]

not neccessarily a stupid/bad idea but more of a "good idea but wont really mix well" and that is a third person camera to see the full body of the protagonist

I should add mirrors

hold on

I did add mirrors

[heady thorn]

More that you already clearly have a direction for your game and making such a drastic change based on some internet comment isn't a good development strategy

[unique hill]

true true

though that specific comment I mentioned came from my mom

and does make sense

cant tell you why but know it does

though i'd be able to add it in like properly third person

I could do something so that the full body is seen

impeccable programmer art

its so high quality

[heady thorn]

Yeah, we were more referring to how fickle internet commenters can be, and how they'll derail your game's direction

[unique hill]

"What if you add laser puzzles"

I shouldnt say that bc I might very well add that

yk the lil things from portal

[unique hill]

"Don't use Godot, use ___"

actual comment ive received from showing someone the game before I made the form

glad I didnt go to unity 💀

[heady thorn]

Why?

[unique hill]

the whole price change thing thats occurred recently

Im not sure if it got reverted or not, I don't follow game engine news closely besides Godot

[heady thorn]

Ah that doesn't affect the majority of us tbf

[unique hill]

yeah ur right

very off topic question but do you reckon there is a possibility for real-time collaboration in Godot

I know attempts have been made already but is there a chance for it to actually be successful, like as a core engine modification rather than an addon?

[heady thorn]

Can you elaborate please?

[wooden grail]

Not an expert but I don't think that collaboration will be added into the core any time soon. Its a feature thats kind of a niche and how I perceive the devs, they would much rather have it as an addon/ plugin

[unique hill]

damn

[unique hill]

as in like what VSCode has, where you can see others' cursors and see changes they make update in realtime

[unique hill]

I'd much rather it be a core feature, as it is the reason why i'm the only person using the engine on my team

github works as well but it would be much easier to say, connect to a server and just make changes whilst another person does as well

I believe unreal engine has it somewhat

the feature would work wonders for small and big teams alike

attempts have been made using addons/plugins but none were successful I should add

[frail portal]

Agreed, it can be very finicky as a plugin, much better in core where it can properly interface with everything and be maintained as part of the engine.

[unique hill]

exactly

[frail portal]

Besides, it'd be best if features were implemented with it in mind

[unique hill]

if the plugins/addons can do it kinda decent but not good but it still kinda works then the engine definitely can do it

[frail portal]

Having it in core would essentially guarantee that it stays maintained

[unique hill]

I know for my team specifically, we work best when we are all online doing something together

[frail portal]

If people saw that it works then they'd use it

[unique hill]

exactly

[heady thorn]

Seriously low hanging fruit imo

[unique hill]

how so

[frail portal]

I don't think many people use the blender plugins for this sort of stuff because it's too finnicky and buggy

I tried it once in Blender and it messed up our model lol

[unique hill]

I didn't know there were blender plugins for that but I'd assume it would be finnicky

[frail portal]

It did work but it broke after an hour or two

[unique hill]

Visual Studio Code has a realtime collaboration addon built-in into the software

[frail portal]

This was a while ago though

[unique hill]

and works wonders

[frail portal]

Yes VS code live share is amazing

[unique hill]

love it

[frail portal]

flawless and allows you to share the port too

[unique hill]

damn

[frail portal]

This was ages ago so I don't know if it's still maintained, is still working, isn't working...

[unique hill]

I dare not touch that because im afraid i'll leak my ip (irrational fear)

[unique hill]

which, vscode or the blender

[frail portal]

I did it with an irl friend, it just shares it to the corresponding ports from memory

[unique hill]

oh interesting

[frail portal]

like if 8000 was shared, i'd go to localhost:8000

... I think

[frail portal]

The blender addon

[unique hill]

this reminds me

[frail portal]

But I suppose vs code live share is an extension

[unique hill]

is there a reasonable way to have DLC in godot

using steam

I haven't set up anything in steam so I don't know how it works but would I upload the pck in steam or sum

this is purely hypotethical

[frail portal]

hmm

and you'd have to handle encryption

[unborn vale]

I think godotsteam has a way to handle that

[frail portal]

Apparently ETS2 does not do that and the dlc files lay unencrypted in the base game folder

[unique hill]

what if the dlc is just a different game completely

[frail portal]

that would be funny

[unique hill]

godot has a steam addon???

[frail portal]

probably possible

[unique hill]

lmaow hat

[unborn vale]

No like a way to handle dlc's

[unique hill]

on the topic of encryption

[frail portal]

https://godotsteam.com/

[unborn vale]

You beat me to it :(

[unique hill]

i know you can encrypt .pck files so random people cant just dig into it and rip the entire game but like

how?

I dont get too much results when I search it up on google

[frail portal]

[unique hill]

and the result I did get didn't work

[frail portal]

https://godotsteam.com/classes/apps/#dlc_installed

[unique hill]

ooh interesting

what would be funny is if a full length video game with hours of content just releases for free on steam/itch

but the dlc is like 100 dollars each

[frail portal]

so possibly if you could encrypt and unencrypt, you could check which dlcs are owned and then unencrypt those and use them in the game

you would probably have to check for a set file path (aka './dlc1.pck'?)

[unique hill]

ahhh ok

[unique hill]

what about a different technique

Instead of relying on encrypted pck files

cant the DLC instead download the encrypted pck files once purchased?

whats stopping the dlc from being just an entirely different game using the first game as a base but with almost none of the assets of the first game

[unborn vale]

Nothing?

Mayeb steam approval?

[unique hill]

fr?

yoo alright

[frail portal]

What I'm assuming is that steam downloads the dlc files you set (in this case 'dlc1.pck') and then you check to see what's installed and load that

assuming

Looks like they have a discord so it's probable they have this figured out lol

[unique hill]

ooh okay

ill check that out

[unborn vale]

Maybe the almighty steam load has some answers idk

bruh

I can't send servers

2 sec

[frail portal]

https://godotsteam.com/#:~:text=Chat With Us On Discord
ooh cool

[wooden grail]

@unique hill technically, someone knowledgeable could fork the engine, implement this into core and (if the PR doesnt get merged) simply maintain that fork (merging stuff from upstream) until the project is done

[iron shore]

that's not really an answer, and did it need the ping?

[icy anchor]

If you wish, you can make a ton of PCKs with Python script, obfuscate it in some way, you know...

Alright just kidding. And yea this is how i export my game (without obfuscation though), because that's kinda the only way to do that

Anyway, i'd rather have these .PCK as-is because that'd be fun to see these guys to dig in these files

No, seriously, that might become a fate worse than death for them

... at least in my case, i suppose

[unique hill]

wtf

i have no words besides wtf to that

thats such a punishment for the people at the cutting edge floor

cutting room*

[icy anchor]

He-he yea

[unique hill]

why you do that

[icy anchor]

Honestly i had no intention to harm modders or others because i have respect for them

[unique hill]

how you do that

when the game starts you just loop through everything

and load the files??

but make sure to check that it isnt running in debug mode?

[icy anchor]

I've been trying to export this game, and, sadly, i started to notice several things:

1. It has 4 GB size in one .PCK, so, if i will try to update this game, all people will have to download 4 GB update (i think it works that way), i don't like it
2. For weird reason, it is clamping on 4 GB and i couldn't load all the levels in this game, some assets were missing from .PCK too, that started to messing me up

So i decided to write a Python script to change export config and launch Godot executable to export .PCK of the files, and, as result... turns out that game is 12 GB ._.
But if i will remove the debug locations that'll make it a bit more light though

[icy anchor]

Yep! I thought that can cause RAM issues but none, virtual filesystem just getting new files

[unique hill]

wait its clamped?

Is that the same for 4.X?

[icy anchor]

Oh, that's tricky hacks, so, firstly have to show Python script which is messy asf

[unique hill]

my game aint fitting in that restriction

[icy anchor]

I don't know

[unique hill]

once I have a demo out

Ill try to reduce the storage but it is not fitting

[icy anchor]

So, what it does is...

[unique hill]

christ

you're just willing to put that out into the world

its so fancy

what ill do right is finish a demo, then try to export it and see if it works as intended

if not then ill do what you did

honestly I dont like python much, i prefer javascript

[icy anchor]

Firstly, it is changing export_presets.cfg file. You may say, like, why don't i do that using Godot plugins and... 3.X definitely has absolutely no tools to work with exports. I suppose that'd speed up the export times, but, yea... However, Godot executable supports various command line arguments that can be used to export the Godot project. So it is just changing the preset, exporting that preset, and repeating. It is tricky because sometimes things have to be included in main package one way or another (all scripts of the game are included with it), etc

[icy anchor]

I did Python just because more familiar with it, but if you are interested in some techy things i did in there, it can be useful to examine, even if it is really messy

[unique hill]

i think it might be my bad experiences making discord bots using it

I tried to make an OC of mine as a bot

failed

[icy anchor]

For most of times it should work fine, just remember to keep track on issues related to editor virtual filesystem and exported virtual filesystem. They have weird differences in 3.X, i expect same in 4.X

[unique hill]

so I used javascript and ive made an AI thats pure australian energy

i could show u it later

[icy anchor]

Lol that sounds fun

[unique hill]

very

[icy anchor]

I suppose anything that can be running command line can be used

Time to rewrite it in ANSI C >:)

Lmfao nah i'm not going to sign on this one

[unique hill]

huh?

[icy anchor]

Forgot to say!
My project started to take 20 minutes to export. Should i say that is painful asf when i get bugs reproducible only in exported version?

[unique hill]

bro I feel you

My game doesn't autoload any scripts on MacOS

but works on literally everything else

I did however test it with a dude who frequently does weird shit on his mac

so I would need to re-test it

but going from then, it just didn't work

[icy anchor]

This script helped to lower it from this time to time dependent on type of changes i did in this project. Some changes in scripts? 1 minute and it is ready. A bunch of modules were changed? Maybe 5 minutes. You changed entire project? þ̴̋̒r̸̾͘ê̶̑̚þ̷̋́å̵̒̓r̴̛͒ê̷̌̆ ̸̏̈£̶̆͠ð̴̈r hðµr§ ð£ ̸͝͠†̴̽͛ð̷r†µrïñ̶̈́̃g̶̾͂ ̷̋̒ê̷͑̏x̵þðr†

[icy anchor]

Damn, i'd really wish to fix these bugs in this case (still having that internal perfectionist that i'm trying to suppress to survive), but probably i'd rather ask him if he can send me his mac to me to replicate the bug because it is impossible to work other way

[unique hill]

I purposefully leave in things from old versions for people digging in to find

player_old.gd

with a less efficient version

infact

ill let you in

that script

player.gd

is the main system im actually rewriting

[icy anchor]

The reason i still didn't remove all debug locations, they are funky. I'm planning to make a separate free DLC with these, that'd be fun to see such a weird stuff as a separate DLC. That might confuse those who hates DLCs probably lol

[icy anchor]

How's it going though? In my opinion player controller is a tricky thing that seems to be impossible to just complete, always seeing some cases that could be covered better

[unique hill]

I had a lot of weird shit but now that im remaking it, I managed to complete systems that took me weeks to make, within just a few hours

Im also making the VFX of it better

so its really fancy

[icy anchor]

Sounds great

[unique hill]

still need to work on that hud

[icy anchor]

How do you work with stairs?

[unique hill]

that you guys wont see in screenshots

[unique hill]

aint about to mess with that

[icy anchor]

Sad
But alright :P

[unique hill]

just a simple slope for now

slope collision

[icy anchor]

Ha-ha that shit is cursed

[unique hill]

with a stair model

[icy anchor]

I made stair checks, and, you know what?

I said "fuck that shit" and using player clip slopes like earlier in Source

Still useful for corner cases when player needs to get up on something

[unique hill]

I'd do something similar with IK bones

but for some

ungodly reason

the player body model

has its knees

inVERTED?

when using IK???

????

and so I just didnt

[icy anchor]

Damn it even sounds painful

[unique hill]

infact the rig for the player is fucked up too

with Rigify

so Im just using

no ik

at all

[icy anchor]

I think i had something like that in my earlier IK rigs for Blender and damn i wouldn't wish this to anyone

[unique hill]

in blender

well im using auto ik

which is still messed up but not to the extent as rigify

[unique hill]

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