Again you baffle me XD
#Dungeon Series by GameCoaster
amber mason
Electric 
amber mason
I feel like a lot of the other options are really bad though
as opposed to other equips where there are a few really good ones but then the others are at least mid
cold river
The mid options are for when RNG isn't in your favour 
Medusa on Genesis is pretty easy
Now to try Truth
proud apex
Sheild Sheild / Sheild Crystal are great when doing Chimera builds for the raw 25% boost to the elements they relate to
(golden = Fire Lightning Holy
Crystal = Dark Acid Cold)
Shield Ring is a 10 sec safety barrier which is amazing for bosses like Loki start damaging you at the very 1st second of the fight… also gives you a free hit from other sources practically because it soaks 200 damage
Sheild Sword which is one of the best items… is a 20% debuff to all resistances for each projectile hit (it’s a perfect Pegasus weapon)
The shield items that are legit trash is Shield Ruby and Shield Book
Shield Necklece is a situational one because it’s useful if you have a barrier… any kind of barrier, but otherwise pointless
cold river
I forgot to use Rebecca's advent but this wasn't too hard
First try for Medusa, actually so much easier than Titan/Cerb
And my Medusa didn't even have relevant skils at lvl 3 unlike Titan/Cerb
cold river
Bam, done with Diablo on Truth too, definitely got shaky near the end when I didn't get appropriate Dark God blessings
amber mason
Sheild Sword which is one of the best items… is a 20% debuff to all resistances ...
Oh yeah this one is good but basically all sword combos are good so it doesn't count
lol
clever slate
How does one tank Peace's AOE
Like somehow i have no problem with Diablo but D.Pegy gib me alot of problem
cold river
I don't, my strat has always been optimising for DPS so she dies before I do
clever slate
I don't, my strat has always been optimising for DPS so she dies before I do
Yea i dont have enough dps too
proud apex
you don't, just kill faster
proud apex
@cold river
example of Holy 1-1
mind you, my characters are BUFFED due to all the blood, and i STILL took a death... (it's worse if you try something like Jor and Diablo at the start)
amber mason
Rare drop 👀
proud apex
THE LEGENDARY PANTIES OF SPHINX!
Not many have witness this glories piece of fabric… manly because it was also bugged to never drop funny enough after they specifically said they made the drop rate higher
cold river
Lol, my issue with Holy right now is not with the first few battles
But the goddamn guide
Guide has way too much HP at the moment and I'll need to grind for some upgrades to kill her
proud apex
The best hero… the guide… she doesn’t need to attack you… just lightly tap your devil stone… and nuke it
cold river
Zzz... I got to 1-11 without dying and because I tried using separate battle, I didn't have enough lives to kill Abundance Acolyte
proud apex
pfft
SO... took that physical build i tried on truth into World 5 holy mode... here is the Brave fight before world 5
This is one of the funny stages of World 5 where the Villagers pull a CodeGeass Zero
Greed Fight
Joy Fight
aaaaand i failed to get the Peace fight due to forgetting to record XD
and Pride fight is to big for me to upload but... I accepted the lose since i've already beaten world 5 with Kraken before
amber mason
What passive upgrade do you guys usually pick for three heads
proud apex
if i have Chain Sword on Cerberus, i go for...
-Next time it activates it works for the next three (Just covers the screen in bullets almost constantly) basically it makes 3 Heads works almost 80% of the time
If I want Cerberus to live as a sort of Long lasting unit, the resurrection chances
sort of like a last ditch effort incase the team gets wiped kinda quicker than expected
almost no perk for Three Heads is really bad... cause the other one where power is increased by 100% is good because it means every bullet that activates via Three Heads is doing full damage and not the nerfed 66%
amber mason
Yeah, that's why I had a hard time picking, none of them are clearly better or worse than the others
proud apex
like i said though, if i give Chain Sword to Cerb, i do the activate chance
i like to make sure all her shots hit so might as well make sure she is firing a cone of bullets at all times
clever slate
Its uncomfortable of how easy myth is compare to genesis
clever slate
Game really said 1 Legendary Peace, 1 Normal Peace, 1 E.Enki and 1 Infinity Sphere on Myth
proud apex
The higher you get the easier it gets because you get buffer
clever slate
The higher you get the easier it gets because you get buffer
this is like the 2nd time i've done myth
proud apex
Meh, Sloth refuses to drop her panties for me... she is the last entry i need just a casual Holy world 5 run
amber mason
I managed to get another set of Brave's myself 👀
proud apex
I'm telling you the effort in these panty designs is commendable
proud apex
but still Sloth eludes me... I WILL HAVE HER THONG!
clever slate
Who tf have good st dmg in a dark comp
clever slate
<@390343580922675220> clarify
Dark Single target
proud apex
Do Steel Feather, Waterspout
Have Chimera change Physical to Dark Acid
Waterspout Mastery can be either or… BUT… if you do Physical Waterspout you can later on give her Assassin Temperment from W4 and give her damage a huge spike
clever slate
i see
amber mason
More progress
cold river
I've just been casually farming Myth with Jorm for now
Gonna wait for level 5 skills on any acolyte before trying Holy again
proud apex
How far you get?
cold river
I either die to Guide or at 1-11
Just not enough damage
Need that marginal skill improvement
amber mason
It's too bad you can't capture the guide
clever slate
Indeed
amber mason
so they're ready
proud apex
Guide
Abundance Priest
@amber mason
they both have them in the game files but i guess they just aren't in game cause.... kinda pointless
amber mason
Idk I feel like you should be able to capture her like everyone else
proud apex
they might do something with them who knows... but i mean knowing they are exclusively there to support the bosses they support, im not so sure
amber mason
I mean, you can capture the sphinx
and you can only get the sphinx from an event
I feel like that makes it way more exclusive
You're at least guaranteed to encounter guide/abundance priest every run
and you can capture the bosses
Unrelated, I hate when I have a shit temperament on a monster so I use the laboratory and then I get another shit temperament
Got Elite Warlord Cerberus into High Priest -_-
proud apex
I've had Labratory save my ass sometimes actually XD
There has been moments in world 4 where i only have one temp swap left, and Lab ends up giving me something like Heroic or Legendary High Priest when i really needed the HP boost
cold river
Kraken deleted Brave so fast I blinked and missed it, I didn't think this build and team set up would work so well
Tentacle River might be underrated
proud apex
pfft, im lost looking at this... three characters have rune slate, who had the highest atk?
cold river
Should be Kraken in that run
I'm actually not even sure what Rune Slate does tbh
The wording is so whack on that item
proud apex
I thought i explained it
50% ATK of the HIGHEST ATK is added to whoever holds the item EXCEPT the HIGHEST ATK
So basically never give this to whoever has the highest ATK, give it to anyone with lower ATK than the Highest
So like... in this team, Cerberus had the highest ATK, 50% of her total ATK was added to Chimera
BUT if i had this on Cerberus, and she had the highest ATK, the item does nothing
cold river
LOL, the way I understood it was that it takes 50% of all allies' ATK (except the highest) and gives it to the holder
proud apex
Nope
cold river
That's how whack the wording was
proud apex
It's a real weird explaination
cold river
But well, now that I understand it, it means I'm gonna want 4 of it in the future
At least for that set up
proud apex
if Kraken was your highest ATK in the team, Cerberus and Jor had 50% of Kraken's ATK added to theirs
cold river
Yeah, I get it now
proud apex
Kraken gets absolutely nothing out of it though
cold river
Oh well, she probably did for most of the run anyway
proud apex
it's a really good item, but super situational because you need to basically have it ready once you know for sure who has the highest attack
cold river
She only got that Heroic Enki temp near the end
proud apex
it's like a endgame combined item
cold river
I always have it on Jorm
Way too good for her when she's the leader
Synergises with her entire kit
proud apex
oh right, i made the updated combined list
honestly all the items are getting better and better to where it's hard to immediately point out what's good and what's not, almost everything has a use now
@amber mason @clever slate
proud apex
apparently it's seeing some use, but not high enough to actually recommend it
cold river
Considering Jorm's Hunt will only scale off 12% of max HP, it's not worth it
clever slate
idk why they neveer updated the red shield and the Book+Shield crest
proud apex
but it's definitely not as bad as Shield Ruby
cold river
A proper offensive item would be significantly better
clever slate
it's awful
cold river
Tbh, for higher difficulties, anything to do with shield becomes awful
Just bring Pegasus for 24% evasion instead
proud apex
I don't deny that, they made it harder to use
cold river
They don't synergise well
cold river
Yeah, that's kinda the squad you need to use to make use of Greatsword well
clever slate
greatsword is pretty rewarding if can pull it off
proud apex
Chimera lost the DPS game to Pegasus in the end though cause she got Legendary Assassin and she had the RuneSlate
after Pegasus got Legendary Assassin, her ATK was 86
she got half of Chimera's ATK bumping that even higher
cold river
Like, honestly, Rune Slate is basically better Greatsword imo
cold river
No formations for me
proud apex
i think i had Megalith formation lvl 3 at that point so... nice extra chunk of damage
the only thing you're really missing out on when it comes to maximizing your damage in runs
After each MidBoss and MainBoss, you get a Formation option
Formations also unlock FULL COMMAND mode where you can have ALL monsters aim where you point
clever slate
Charge formation best formation
proud apex
God no it's one of the worse to me
you get more speed sure, but you just made the heroes even faster and in your face
that's a nightmare during the Brave fight where she is just already there and firing away at you
clever slate
the dmg buff i received from it save my ass 6/10 times
sometime it also came back and bite my ass
amber mason
oh right, i made the updated combined list
amber mason
oh right, i made the updated combined list
I actually like book stone
proud apex
Ouef
proud apex
Holy mode gonna make you learn my guy XD
amber mason
When you guys farm for mats, at what point do you stop looking for devil's origins and start selecting abyss materias, and on what difficulty?
amber mason
Jorm is way too op
amber mason
Also I just realized my preferred team of Jorm/Pegasus/Diablo/Chimera/Cerberus does not get lightning anywhere so it makes power of unity sort of useless
Also I swear to god I can never remember if the transfer count counts up or down every time lol
(it's up, btw)
amber mason
Also I just realized my preferred team of Jorm/Pegasus/Diablo/Chimera/Cerberus d...
Jk I can take lightning feather
But I think that's it
proud apex
@amber mason so I’m not even joking about this… but Navi, do Myth Solo/Only take two monsters your whole run until world 4
World 1, Focus on one monster, get all the dark origins they need for their kit (I say Pegasus and try to get Abyss Festhers asap)
You can choose to take two starters, but whoever it is, those are the two who will carry your run
World 1-2 build up both and get their items for their kits… by world 3 you should be able to safely grind for material
World 4, take ONE unit (preferably a High Priest prisoner for the HP buff) and don’t build them up at all, or at least at throw on them ring shield for safety, they will bait Brave’s unit disable
amber mason
Interesting, I think the main problem for me will be getting equipment
But I'll give it a shot
My usual route is to get monsters and dark origins in worlds 1 and 2, do world 3 sort of hybrid depending on how that's looking, and then in world 4 focus on materials, maybe transferring temperaments if I get a good prisoner though
proud apex
If you focus 2 monsters only, they should be buff enough to tackle anything afterwards, id recommend Pegasus Kraken
During my Genesis Solo runs, I only went in with one character, by the time I was halfway through world 2 they were done and ready
amber mason
Why pegasus and kraken?
proud apex
Kraken does a lot of damage as Range built, and Pegasus can handle a lot of AOE coverage with waterspout
If you go Freezing Wind with water spout and you have Kraken with Brincle, it boosts the damage up even more
Blessing wise, you want Rebecca’s Ressurection chances and Mari’s cold on ammo/non ammo and her pushback if possible
amber mason
Cold on ammo seems like one of the best blessings so far in my experience
proud apex
Pegasus is a lot a lot better at crowd control due to Abyss Feathers and Giant Steel Festhers ripping through crowds, same with Waterspout
Range Kraken (Water Bomb, Wave Song (Wet Chances) and Tentacle Strike, Foreflinger)) are great for coverage also, plus Kraken just hits really hard
Kraken should be
-Water Bomb (Ricochet, Damage on Wet, Projectile)
-Tentacle Strike (Power %45, Ammo, +1projectile
-WaveSong (Fire Rate, Wet Chances, 3rd attribute can be anything)
Passives should be
-Brincle: 65% bonus damage to Frozen
-Master of Seas: More damage per wet stack
-Empower Tentacle: 75% chance to spawn an extra tentacle
amber mason
At what point do you start putting blood into enhance body, btw
proud apex
If you can spare it, at any time really
It takes 15 blood total to max out one of those blood enchancements
Unless you’re referring to the blood enhancements to change them from faint to legendary,
Regardless asap is best
amber mason
If you can spare it, at any time really
Well, more like at what point do I have blood to spare. Is getting awakened faint on everyone good enough, for example?
proud apex
Hmm well you should have blood in surplus atm if I’m right, take 3 of your favorite monsters and buff them up
amber mason
Probably pegasus and jorm
proud apex
I don’t remember how much blood it takes to get them to legendary, I think it’s 30
amber mason
I like that there are monster specific events
proud apex
I actually hate it
It loves to show up when I DONT have the required character
Also it isn’t just monster specific it’s also skill specific
proud apex
I like that there are monster specific events
That event will only work if you have Jor WITH Hunt
The Dark Forest one only works if you have Diablo WITH Blaze
amber mason
Oh interesting
amber mason
To be clear if you capture the sphinx via Dark and don't just attack, you don't have a chance at her information, right?
proud apex
No if you get Sphinx through the dark option you don’t get the chance for Panties…
HOWEVER… if she curses you with the Dark Option you do get a chance since she then shows up to fight
proud apex
The dark option is there if you really want a Sphinx Temperment
proud apex
Yeah the chance for the really good event is rare and even then it’s not great
amber mason
The dark option is there if you really want a Sphinx Temperment
The desert temperaments are interesting but kind of not that good unless you've got a whole team and a few of the anchors (e.g., Joy Acolyte)
proud apex
The only two Temperments that you should ALWAYS grab
Legendary Desert Wanderer or Heroic or Higher Desert Assassin
amber mason
Why specifically those rarities
proud apex
Anything below Legendary desert wanderer isn’t really worth it
Legendary is a 25% chance for double damvage
But lower it’s just 10% 14% and 17%
Not much
amber mason
I typically don't bother transferring low rarity temperaments unless it's like a good boss temperament but like, I took desert assassin cerberus as a new monster just cause it's a decent effect and correct stats
proud apex
Heroic or higher DAssassin is good because the threshold needed for bonus damage is higher
With legendary obviously being the highest
amber mason
wait I meant desert wanderer
but same idea
There's an ok number of not-shit desert temperaments (mostly bosses, but the two you mentioned also are obviously good) but I don't tend to transfer the temperament, I will just take it as a new monster if it's at least compatible
It's just rough cause if I had like, idk, 5 transfers then I could make a whole desert temperament team and that would be interesting lol
proud apex
Well yeah I keep forgetting you aren’t at my point yet where I have 5 transfers to play with
You have… what… 2-3?
amber mason
3
proud apex
Yeah you gotta be picky with what you go for
If you ask me though there are some Temperment you don’t pass up when you see their legendary version
And for sure, Desert Wanderer is one of them… slap her on anyone ATK focus and MHN damage spikes
amber mason
I like getting a legendary assassin and transferring it to Jorm
proud apex
Definitely
amber mason
Also nice to capture enki with a spare transfer to give it to Jorn who is my companion monster starting with swordsman temperament lol
proud apex
Back when I had only 3 Temperments, I’d use only ONE in case I ran into Legendary DAssassin or Wanderer… and save the last two for anything worth while in World 4
amber mason
It's so hard when I capture a boss in like world 3 because then it's like "Do I want to take this or gamble that I'll get something in world 4"
At least when I capture thor I can usually ignore since I don't often use titan
Btw the 2.5x range boost on the master acid spore skill is nuts
amber mason
Dark Acid Spore
amber mason
I'll let you know after this run
amber mason
Surprisingly balanced
@proud apex Titan and Kraken are Stable. Medusa is Legendary. Chimera is still locked. Everyone else is Awakening Faint. I have 49 spare blood
proud apex
So what I’d suggest if you go through the Duo Myth farming idea… pour all your blood into the one character you’ll do each run in
amber mason
Then just use dimensional crystals to reset?
proud apex
, so like… If you do Kraken, push her to legendary, and the substats, to be 5 in power 5 in skill accel
IF you can… I’d even push her blood to where she holds her Temperment even after a transfer
(Aka she keeps her team wide ATK buff)
amber mason
I don't know if I could max it, I could probably get her up to awakening faint though
proud apex
Although I’m not 100% sure if you have that option open
If it’s just up to faint, then I wouldn’t worry about it
But for sure, push her to legendary as that can help kill a bit faster, it’s Myth difficulty but still, more damage the better
amber mason
I think maybe if I reset everyone and then only used blood on the two of them, I could get them to awakening legendary?
proud apex
MAYBE
amber mason
I could probably push everyone up to legendary though at least, or I'll be close to it
proud apex
It takes 15 blood after the first super awakening
amber mason
I don't even have everyone advanced up to myth
proud apex
The fact you made Medusa Legendary kinda surprises me XD
amber mason
I started using medusa more at some point but I tend not to prefer her tbh
but titan/kraken are my least favorites because they don't fit in with the dark/acid dynamic that seems to be the most meta
proud apex
Yeah definitely reset, out of all the monsters unfortunately Medusa fell back down to low tier
The exploit she had was GodTier but now that it’s gone, she is back where she initially belonged XD
proud apex
nice... i got the end build that ends when i blink! @amber mason @clever slate @cold river
amber mason
nice... i got the end build that ends when i blink! <@200987752794292224> <@3903...
tfw marielle
or whoever the fire lady is
proud apex
Mari is Water Dark God
Tania is Fire Dark God who i don't think you have access too
You might be actuslly referring to Lilith @amber mason
the Succubus Lady
proud apex
Yup Lilith
She is the Pleasure Dark God, the one everyone hardly uses outside of her advent
80% Movement speed on Heroes for 3 seconds
Which maximized Kraken's damage who had Scout Captain on
clever slate
nice... i got the end build that ends when i blink! <@200987752794292224> <@3903...
Sheesh
proud apex
this is the Fire Dark God Tania btw
clever slate
damn she's hot
amber mason
@proud apex last night I joined the rest of the civilized world and got 1.5x speed
The only one of those world seed upgrades left or whatever they're called is the one to increase the power of the acolyte when controlled by the guidance stone
Titan has epic Loki temperament which is pretty awesome with micro current
proud apex
No more slow villagers yaaaaay
proud apex
Titan has epic Loki temperament which is pretty awesome with micro current
How’s the strategy of only focusing on two monsters working for you?
Or haven’t tried it yet
amber mason
How’s the strategy of only focusing on two monsters working for you?
Oh I'm not really doing that right now, I went back to first time completions
proud apex
Ah
amber mason
Ez
Oh yeah are there recommended enhancements to take on each monster or are some stats just always better?
Like for upgrading with blood
amber mason
Making steady progress, this is all I have left in the architect (I don't have the season pass)
proud apex
I think you actually still have more to unlock with Vast Abyss
amber mason
I think you actually still have more to unlock with Vast Abyss
Oh buying vast abyss unlocks more items?
TIL
I tend to save that one for last until I can't buy the other stuff lmao
proud apex
Yes Vast Abyss is like your gate way to more things to unlock
You might have a few more options to unlock still… one for sure is increased abyss/soul material depending on the difficulty
this is about all the options
i think after maybe 1 - 2 more upgrades to Abyss will get you what you could possibly be missing
amber mason
Oh, bonus abyss materials, nice
proud apex
I’m not kidding you though I stopped with the smelt resources options because they apparently keep going past %50 and really the amount you start getting higher difficulty quickly maxes out even without the option @amber mason
So I’m only going up to %50
amber mason
Definitely sounds worth taking at least a few levels in though
proud apex
The higher you go with the shop, the better items… blessings show up regularly in shop, occasionally combined items… MidBosses with Heroic or higher rarity
Panties…
I remember a shop that had Heroic Enki, instant buy
amber mason
Gold cost is killer at higher difficulties though
tbh I always take the gold bonus for finding the oasis fairy if I have the chance
proud apex
For sure… the upgrade for more gold after each stage is really helpful to alleviate that
amber mason
I think my interest rate is like 25% right now
proud apex
Genesis and higher has double shop costs
cold river
Amazing how I managed despite not getting any legendary items or good temps
proud apex
Wait a sec… how did you build Diablo? XD
I see power of the desert, and Diablo with Abyssal Darkness
cold river
Well, obviously with half flame and ignore half dark resist
Chimera's the only one dealing flame damage
Makes sense to sacrifice her flame damage for the greater good
proud apex
Uhh…
cold river
Power of desert is just for the lightning boost
proud apex
Actually no nvm… I guess nerfing Jor hunt is negligible
cold river
Hunt doesn't deal flame?
proud apex
unless you DIDNT go for convert physical
cold river
Of course I don't convert
proud apex
okay nvm XD
cold river
Conversion is trash imo
proud apex
Hey now those are fighting words
cold river
It's just not worth it when it prevents you from giving +35% power to the whole team
proud apex
Wait… you mean power of Unity?
cold river
Yeah
proud apex
That still works even with the convert
cold river
Does it really
proud apex
Yes
cold river
I still think it's pretty trash though
amber mason
I still think it's pretty trash though
No, it's great because it gives every physical attacker 2/3 elements for triggering chaos orb
cold river
Yeah, but there's a 1.5s cooldown anyway
amber mason
You can do 3/3 depending on how you take blessings too
proud apex
I find it to be a life saver when it comes to synergy with characters like Cerberus who is physical… changes all her physical to Fire Lightning, meaning she gets big help from Diablo’s hell Fire, her own Fire buff from guardian, AND Kraken with wet damage
amber mason
Yeah it's like free wild card for physical attackers
cold river
I mean, it feels like only Cerb benefits from it
proud apex
Medusa too
cold river
Cos Cerb has pretty shitty skills otherwise
proud apex
Medusa is all physical also
cold river
Medusa is better off going for poison anyway
proud apex
And then there are certain moves that become physical after mastery, you basically change it up to whatever element you convert to
The only real trash strategy is a Rainbow build
Taking both physical converts
amber mason
Medusa is weird because she's like a hybrid of Stheno and Jorm but not as good as either of them
cold river
I actually find Medusa and Cerb the two worst acolytes
And I'm still not sold on conversion
proud apex
I’ll admit they are in need of help and lower tiered than the others but Cerberus has way more use than Medusa
cold river
I'm not looking forward to trying to clear Holy with Cerb
amber mason
Cerberus has pretty good push capabilities too if you take the corresponding explosive bullet mastery + shockwave, and covering the screen with projectiles in combination with three heads + chain sword is nice
cold river
Man was she absolutely awful in Truth
proud apex
Trust me on this… do Physical FireLightning convert with Cerberus and have her paired up with Kraken Diablo… it will go well
Cerberus was one of my easier holy runs
cold river
I don't know what your skill levels are when you attempted Holy with Cerb
Cos she has the most difficulty with stage 1 out of all the acolytes I've used
proud apex
When I did it it was 4 all around
Except for shock wave which was at 0
And this is before I got super awakenings on everyone
So no bonus buffs from Temperments
cold river
Well, I cleared Holy with Jorm without awakenings either
proud apex
Hell Bullet lvl 4, Flame Rounds lvl 4, Hell Spikes lvl 3
cold river
I feel like I'd need them for Cerb
Oh lol, I don't think I'll be seeing stage 5
Locked behind season pass
amber mason
Cerb is actually a character where I like all of her skills
cold river
Have you tried her on Truth yet?
She becomes really bad really quickly when enemies get to walk up to her face
amber mason
I haven't tried any truth runs yet, I've been meticulously keeping difficulties relatively even, especially if I start to encounter problems on a particular monster
cold river
Eh, I honestly find it significantly better than separate revives
amber mason
I know, we had this conversation, but at least that way it wouldn't matter if you have to revive early on lol
cold river
On harder difficulties, if one dies, it's more than likely that the run ends at that point
Like sure, in 1-1, separate revives might be better so I don't outright lose a revive from the get go
But from my experience, I only need the revives in stage 1 anyway
And lol, already died in 1-2
I'm finding it really hard to like Cerb
cold river
You aren't getting it
If I used that, I'm still dead in 1-2
Just sooner lol
It honestly just depends on spawn RNG whether Cerb lives in 1-1
If more mobs are in a line, she lives, if not, she dies
amber mason
Man I hate when I am trying to find like literally any iteration of a specific monster and they just do not show up
cold river
Now I'm having a good start where it doesn't matter whether I picked 3x revives or separate
Oh great, jinxed myself with that
I chose separate revives for this run
Immediately lose to Guide
proud apex
XD
Last bastion might be the safety for Guide since Last Bastion can survive guide hitting it
proud apex
Man I hate when I am trying to find like literally any iteration of a specific m...
That’s me when the last key to my builds needs someone
cold river
Died to 1-5 again
God I fucking hate Cerb being so useless with enemies right up her face
amber mason
I've found the main issue with world 1 is not getting enough dark origins and/or not rolling enough active skills when you get them
proud apex
Who are you pairing Cerberus with XD
cold river
Was Chimera
proud apex
That’s why
cold river
My go to for every acolyte typically
proud apex
Chimera at the start has no real power to deal with the crowds that show up
cold river
But with Cerb, I'm gonna go back to Pegasus
I mean, it really shows how bad Cerb is when she's the only one that can't handle early waves on her own
proud apex
That might be best, Chimera has too low ammo and slow reload speed to deal with Holy Difficulty at the start
I really got to nerf myself to see all this difficulty you guys deal with
Then again I was kinda there dealing with it before … but you guys make it sound like it’s even harder than it should be
amber mason
Died in world 3 with medusa on myth, but tbf I maybe shouldn't have done 3-11 on auto
amber mason
That might be best, Chimera has too low ammo and slow reload speed to deal with ...
Ususally I do like
Kraken/Titan
Jorm/Chimera
Anyone else + Jorm
proud apex
During my first few Holy Runs I actually did it manual since AI just loved targeting the not so important mobs
As for how I start my runs, while now I can pick whoever safely, I usually always did 1 rapid fire character (Titan, Pegasus, Cerberus Medusa) with one range user (Diablo Jor Kraken* )
amber mason
I just realized I can't take shockwave with cerberus because I need the lightning element for power of unity
amber mason
She does as a bombardment mastery
amber mason
I kind of wish there was an option to change out the starting skill, would make for some interesting builds
proud apex
Idk if that would be a good idea for some characters XD
But would be cool on someone like Chimera
Make her default gun Dark Axe
Could you imagine, let’s start a run with Pegasus WaterSpout
cold river
Forsaking Cerb and going all in on Pegasus at least made it past stage 1 lol
amber mason
Forsaking Cerb and going all in on Pegasus at least made it past stage 1 lol
I've been going this route with Medusa/jorm lol
proud apex
I have got to see the difficulty you are both dealing with, give me a team to focus on and I’m gonna nerf each of them to the point you guys are at XD
cold river
Man, I wish I had my usual 3 revives this run
Died at 3-7
Would have lived with just 1 revive spent otherwise
proud apex
At this point you probably just need to do some grinding/more blood investment
cold river
It gets insanely boring farming on Genesis over and over for little to no improvement
Upgrades are expensive and acolyte specific upgrades are tied to gacha rng
proud apex
Shrugs Idk what to tell ya my guy… I dealt with this stuff and got over it after some grinding
proud apex
For all the Cerberus bashing and yet she was the one that did this that one else could
cold river
It looks more like a clear in spite of Cerberus rather than because of her lol
proud apex
You can ignore diablo's damage, that's from Pride launching swords and Diablo getting the AOE damage
cold river
I mean, it still means that Diablo's the one dealing with the swords
proud apex
I should just stop and let you have your opinion
cold river
Fuck
I swear man
I should just stick to 3 revives
Just had a flawless run to 3-11 and died since separate revives doesn't push enemies back and they just die one by one
proud apex
meanwhile in my world
when a run goes perfectly and i wish i had the mod for World 5 on
cold river
I mean, there's also the fact that you have season pass and probably a ton more stuff unlocked from playing for much longer than anyone else here
cold river
Trust me, I wanna believe you
But I've done like 10 runs in a row now and Cerb just isn't doing as well as you're selling her to be
amber mason
I also have no season pass, so when I get to holy with cerb I'll let you know how it goes
cold river
And that's another run ending at 1-11 due to no damage
And it's not like I didn't get the right skills either 
amber mason
Why do you use titan as your partner
cold river
Cos I've tried with Pegasus carrying for a few runs and while it made the early stages easier
proud apex
You also bum rushed dark origins
amber mason
Have you tried Jorm?
cold river
It still hit a bit of a wall since Cerb doesn't synergised with her
I mean, there were dark origins but not enough fodder to train up skills
proud apex
You shouldn’t be always going for dark origins, cause then you get too many skills and not enough fodder
That’s exactly the problem
Too many skills leaves to many options to build it and nothing to maximize
You’ll get stuck with moments you pick up an attribute you don’t need
cold river
It's not my fault that every fight provided dark origins even when the reward selection before the battle didn't say so
amber mason
How many rewards refreshes do you have
cold river
None
proud apex
Ouef…
amber mason
I usually use them for farming but I've also used them to reroll like, double gold into something useful
amber mason
I also noticed that the "super rewards" (the ones with the red aura) only reroll into their own tier and same with the regular rewards
So if you get like 170 gold you can reroll it into like two dark origins, a treasure chest, a dimension crystal, etc.
proud apex
Yeah, the red aura stages (harder stages) will give better rewards
So re-rolling the rewards will still usually lead to high reward
amber mason
Sometimes I just take the gold anyway but I have like, more than 500-700 gold I might reroll it and just live on interest
Right now I rerolled 180 gold into 3x dark origins which is awesome because I just picked up diablo like 2 rounds ago (this is 3-10)
proud apex
I like to have 400 gold ready for any shop because of the chance for a Dark God blessing in store… 420 for Dark Origins x3
amber mason
I like having more because I want to have gold remaining after I shop so I can continue to accumulate interest until like mid world 4
proud apex
There is also a nice perk I’m not sure if you got it… gold for each dimension Crystal you get
proud apex
That helps a lot
amber mason
But sadly it's only like 40 gold, unless there's a way to buff it
proud apex
Nah, stuck at 40
But like… say you see 3 Dimension crystals in a shop for like… 300 gold (idk how much it is off the top of my head) you get 120 back
amber mason
Yeah, that's always nice
I guess it would be too OP if they let you buff it because of that
lol
proud apex
Imagine, get 100 gold each Crystal
Hey so can I buy these 3 dimension crystals…? “yeah I’ll give you 300 gold back for it” free charge
amber mason
NGL I kinda wish they were easier to get, it's such a pain trying to unlock chimera
and yes I know I can buy the season pass but I don't want to
lol
proud apex
Season pass doesn’t really do you much favors in terms of the crystals
But the souls and stones, for sure
amber mason
Doesn't it immediately unlock chimera though or something
proud apex
No that’s tied to the character pass
proud apex
Character pass is 100 gems of the characters you need to unlock and some gems for the others (so like a instant unlock for Chimera, Hellhound when she gets released Kraken, Stheno, Medusa)
so really you get 60 gems for the characters to make use out of and you really can’t until get exp for the skills
cold river
Tried Jorm, still lacking damage for 1-11
proud apex
Gotta grind then my guy
cold river
I've unlocked quite a fair amount of stuff already...
proud apex
@amber mason the formation stuff is neat but it’s definitely double edged…
cold river
Like sure, I can grind more, but man is it boring
proud apex
Each formation comes with a detriment, like Salvo formation gives you more ammo and damage for ammo skills and ammo can recover like it had Mari blessing BUT Enemy movement speed is increased by 10% and they have higher defense by 10%
cold river
And like, I feel like I should be able to clear Holy with other acolytes now that I have actually successfully done so with Jorm
Then again, Cerb is probably the weakest acolyte to use as leader
amber mason
I had a rough time with an elite knight captain bum rushing me but managed to do this
Grinding is very big in this sort of game
I feel like dungeon maker was even worse in this respect lol
Cause of successions and stuff
cold river
At least Dunma had substantial and perceivable improvements after each run
I feel like I'm running through Genesis 5 times for an upgrade that I can barely feel
amber mason
For me it depends on how many dimension crystals I pick up usually lol
cold river
And from the patch notes, farming these mats was slower before some of the recent updates
Like geez, I know you need to extend play time while developing new features but this is pretty awful
cold river
I know, the cap was smaller then
proud apex
And even then the game would hardly give you enough to max out the Genesis cap
cold river
Actually insane
proud apex
Mind you i for the longest time when with my max cap only 40 and I just farmed Myth over and over again
cold river
That's what I did but for Legend for a while
proud apex
I did like 1-2 runs a day basically
proud apex
Sometimes 3-4
cold river
I'm starting to feel that way with grinding Genesis now
proud apex
although first two weeks I was going ham doing a run every hour
amber mason
mfw I accidentally reset my guidance stone and then messed up my distribution so I need to go farm another dimension crystal
proud apex
Could do a run get 1 Crystal and retreat, you keep the resources you got on the way
proud apex
Soon I’ll have nothing more to tell you… no more tech
amber mason
@proud apex you don't see this very often
cold river
That's the best one
amber mason
I think I've only ever gotten it like two or three times
proud apex
Yeah that’s the good rare event that hardly shows up, I love it when it does though
cold river
So I tried giving Chimera conversions for a few runs
And I think it's not worth the risk
You can get unlucky and run into a battle where the enemy happens to have high resist to the elements you converted into
amber mason
Honestly I have no idea who resists what
I just try to beat the shit out of everything
cold river
Well, at higher difficulties, they get random bonus resist
amber mason
Can't they also resist physical though?
amber mason
So how is taking the conversion any riskier?
cold river
And the alternative to conversion is just -15% resist
Which is a significant damage boost if they have high resist against your elements
amber mason
The main reason to take the convert is to combine it with stuff like Diablo's abyss darkness or whatever that boosts allies dark skills or things like that, IMO
cold river
Well yeah
But enemies can already reach 75% resist
So if you're unlucky, you would end up converting all your physical damage into an element that just tickles the enemy
Diablo is also the only one that's actually viable with conversion due to half darkness resist ignore
amber mason
I regret having used the skill on the previous one
proud apex
Brave strutting up to give Navi a hello
cold river
And lol, just when I was talking about being unlucky with resists
I just died to a Scout Captain
I had conversion to acid and dark
And it must have gotten bonus 30% resist to either of them cos I was tickling them even though their HP pool isn't that large
amber mason
I wish there was a more transparent way to know when your attacks were highly resisted or something
It's hard to tell what happens when things go wrong
cold river
Just looked through all the heroes
The two highest physical resist heroes are Sphinx and Knight Captain at 50%
Honestly not worth converting physical to other elements just to circumvent those two in particular
Most heroes either have low physical resist or none at all
amber mason
Well, but with random resists it could really be any hero at any time
cold river
So it's kinda shooting yourself in the foot to convert away
amber mason
I think it might be better if you've got a team that also has a lot of resistance reduction or element power boosting but otherwise the simple resist reduce is probably better
cold river
Well, for us with no season pass, our best bet is with Diablo's dark resist halving
I wonder if going Wave Song and Tentacle River with Kraken is a thing
amber mason
I hate when I reroll a monster 5 times and it's still not the one I want
amber mason
I wonder if going Wave Song and Tentacle River with Kraken is a thing
I think Knight was recommending that to me earlier actually for farming
cold river
65% damage from Brinicle and -30% all resist
amber mason
Holy fuck I wish Diablo would show up this was too close
clever slate
rng 
proud apex
Well, for us with no season pass, our best bet is with Diablo's dark resist halv...
You make it sound like Season Pass gives a 50% buff to damage XD
proud apex
I think Knight was recommending that to me earlier actually for farming
Also it was Tentacle STRIKE not River I recommended to you
cold river
Well, I'm referring to usage with conversion
No Tania means conversion to fire is meh
proud apex
mfw I hardly get Tiana
@amber mason i stand corrected on that comment on the season pass giving crystals... actually gives you a good chunk of them
amber mason
Oh, nice 👀
amber mason
Also it was Tentacle STRIKE not River I recommended to you
Oh yeah I remembered the effect but not the name
proud apex
World 5 is where the blood will rush in for sure
the only purchases besides season pass that i did btw
proud apex
Go team KrakenTitan
but another unsuccessful panty hunt for Awoken Peace's thong ....
LETS GOOOOOO FAN AAAAART!
amber mason
ayo fan art
proud apex
amber mason
Truth hurts
amber mason
proud apex
yup... your builds need to start being on point on truth and higher
proud apex
we got a challenge over in the DS squad server to get a single monster's ATK over 250
Yeaaaaaaah
amber mason
Nice
cold river
Isn't 250 just straight up mathematically impossible for anyone but Cerb
amber mason
Thank god I needed this
I'm not using kraken or anything but still struggling a bit
Alright, I can't use genesis for farming
amber mason
@proud apex wtf the build guide on the Dungeon Squad server doesn't recommend using waterspout with pegasus
bs
proud apex
Oh that’s a VERY outdated build @amber mason
If you’re referring to the one in “Guides”
amber mason
Yeah
proud apex
Yeah VERY outdated that was during the first build
amber mason
Is there an updated one anywhere
proud apex
Nope…
amber mason
rip
I feel like I'm pretty much at the point where I understand enough of the base mechanics to look at a guide and understand what I'm looking at now
proud apex
But maybe I could cook one up considering I’ve pretty much experimented with a lot
What are you trying to do with Peg?
amber mason
My main issue is that I cannot for the life of me keep all the abilities and attributes straight for every single monster
amber mason
What are you trying to do with Peg?
Nothing in particular, I just kind of wanted to compare what people established as "correct" with what I tend to do
proud apex
Well you need to get either “Skips” or Skip/Sacrifice mods
That can sometimes save builds from giving you something you don’t want
amber mason
It's not that bad unless you have a lot of unmastered skills tbh
proud apex
Well… when it comes to Pegasus I feel like this is how you build her
Abyss Feathers
-Projectile 2 -30power
-Ricochet dmg up 25%
-Free Space (But do NOT get additional Projectile -Ammo)
Temptation Feathers really isn’t as good as Abyss Feathers
Now depending on how you build Pegasus you can go either full ATK or full AP
Full ATK is
Steel Feathers / Giant Feathers
-Both +Projectile Modifiers
-and Penetration + 3
Waterspout / Either Mastery is fine
-Both Range Modifiers
-Any DMG period Modifier
I don’t have much of an idea for Full AP since Festher Shield really depends on the Mastery, and Feather Trap kinda sucks
The only move that scales off both ATK and AP is Dark Feathers (her main gun)
amber mason
Yeah you can build her either way but I've always thought that Feather Trap was underwhelming
proud apex
Feather Shield was neat honestly and was what I usually did (until you kinda reawakon the use of WaterSpout to me) but was always a weird one… if you went Dark Shield you needed at least one of the duration modifiers… if you went Regen Shield the cool down Moddifier … regardless of which one, you always wanted a projectile modifier with a turn speed modifier
amber mason
@proud apex you love to see it
proud apex
And just like that Kraken is gonna be your mvp almost every round
amber mason
Titan is still keeping good pace with her though
tbh sometimes it's like a fire rate/speed thing rather than actual damage potential
proud apex
What does Titan have?
amber mason
Nothing special but she's more fully built
Man, I hate the mummy temperament
it just seems so useless
proud apex
Damn not even double ring and she is out damaging Kraken, nice
One strategy you might want to incoprate next time, try to see if you can get CRIT Sword (Sword Necklace) on Kraken with the Desert W Temperment
I think the crit chances stack so %35 + %25 means you’ll get crits very often, it’s usually how Kraken does stupid damage with that Temperment
proud apex
Basically
proud apex
CRIT is basically double damage so I think they both fall under the same category
To be fair Necklace Sword is the only instance Critical is even mentioned
amber mason
Yeah that's why it's confusing
what does it even mean
I didn't even know I could deal critical damage until I saw that weapon
lmao
proud apex
But yeah, if they are the same (which I’m sure they are) then you basically have 60% critical of you have both
Which is really good when you got physical Kraken
I happen to opt to using Water Bomb / Tentacle River / and Tentacle Strike now
amber mason
Yeah I've been doing the same thing
proud apex
Crit Sword / Grav Star / 3rd can either be Book Sword, Crystal Sword (Greatsword only if I know I’m gonna have a lot of other Physical users)
amber mason
TBH you kind of need physical if you do kraken/titan because you eventually want thunder/fire chimera and there's no lightning themed monster besides titan lol
proud apex
The gimmick behind Greatsword is just the weird work around
You want as much ATK as possible yes, but you need to keep in mind just who can get physical
Like Pegasus can techically get a full physical set, you just need to keep in mind of the masteries
amber mason
I usually do something like Titan/Kraken/Chimera/Diablo/Cerberus or Jorm/Pegasus/Diablo/Chimera/Cerberus
proud apex
The funny thing is the recent event in the DS server of getting the highest ATK made me want to come up with a run where everyone has a Mana Stone
And they are all just feeding off Chimera’s massive Udders ATK stat
But that run is VERY rng specific on items
Even for me who has plenty of chances to get the equipments I need has trouble
amber mason
Equipment is still too big brain for me to optimize well, I typically give the attack items to attack people, the AP items to AP people, and then make whatever combo items make sense
proud apex
Full Team
Chimera/Cerberus/Medusa/Kraken/Pegasus
I need at least 5x Crystals, 4xRubies and 3x Swords minimum
amber mason
You know what? Fine
proud apex
Ooooooh that’s a tough one…
It’s tempting to throw in Diablo as a transfer cause that’s just a raw boost to her Fire power…
amber mason
Ooooooh that’s a tough one…
Of course I had her drink the red water and she lost 8% power
amber mason
It’s tempting to throw in Diablo as a transfer cause that’s just a raw boost to ...
Diablo already has sphinx
I felt like it wasn't enough of an improvement
If her temperament was total garbage maybe
I also only have one transfer left
proud apex
Sphinx isn’t actually too good as it is rare
Sphinx is great if you can kill fast enough…
Stheno probably prefers it more
But yeah… Cerberus getting that legendary flame priest is good I bet because of the change physical to Fire/Lightning and the lack of ATK (since that temp is all AP) is negligible
amber mason
amber mason
proud apex
Ooooh good Distortion Blade
amber mason
ITS GOOD! ~~I’m lying~~
NGL I don't even think I really understand what it does lol
proud apex
Determent isn’t bad
amber mason
I feel like their terminology of "level" and "attribute" is not consistent and so I have trouble understanding what it means
proud apex
So okay… Every time you get a “attribute” a modifier on a monster there’s a chance they will get a completely random modifier also
And on any skill they currently have
So like you pick Cold Richochet on Water Arrow for Kraken, she might randomly get Fire Rate on Orb
amber mason
Finally got convert physical to flame/lightning in like 4-7 lol
proud apex
Oh god DX
cold river
Speaking of conversion, I'm now pretty sold on conversion to acid/dark
amber mason
So like you pick Cold Richochet on Water Arrow for Kraken, she might randomly ge...
Ah, gotcha. TBH it'd be way better if you just got a skill level (like when you sacrifice a prisoner)
cold river
It's too easy with Diablo/Jorm
proud apex
Finally! We converted the non believer!
proud apex
cold river
Still not sold for flame/lightning though
Or at the very least, not sold on it because no season pass
cold river
Also, I realise with conversion, taking 6% hunt activation on physical damage becomes useless
amber mason
Also, I realise with conversion, taking 6% hunt activation on physical damage be...
I feel like thunder/fire conversion is better since titan has call of thunder + it means you can take advantage of wet much more
proud apex
Also, I realise with conversion, taking 6% hunt activation on physical damage be...
No it doesn’t
Your physical damage even after convert still counts as physical so it still procs
proud apex
As vise versa, if you get the Acid 9% chance for acid damage converting physical to acid dark will trigger the 9% now
amber mason
amber mason
Game's on some spaghetti code or they really need to phrase things better
Spaghetti english
proud apex
DO IT! Let the RNG guide her build
amber mason
Tbh their english isn't terrible but games like this require a level of precision that they don't have as non-native speakers (or whoever they use for translation)
amber mason
DO IT! Let the RNG guide her build
I'm gonna try it and let you know what I end up getting
I'm only in like 1-7 so I have plenty of time
lol
proud apex
Let’s see if she makes or breaks your build with random attributes
cold river
Tbh, I really feel like physical conversion should actually remove the physical tag on abilities
So it becomes a proper decision
proud apex
Don’t say that… then it legit becomes pointless
amber mason
I think it should do something like "half of all physical damage becomes X and Y damage"
amber mason
Yeah
proud apex
Might as well do a rainbow build then
amber mason
I'm gonna use this message to track what my Diablo gets. Attributes marked with an asterisk are the random ones
Ember
- Power +20% / Ember Arrival -.6s
- Ammo + 4 / Range +30%
- Reload SPD -30% / Additional Projectile +2
Blaze -> Roaring Blaze
- Power +15% / Duration +1.5s
* Flame Damage + 2 / Dmg period -30%
- Cooldown -.5s / Flame Damage +6
Apocalypse
- Flame Damage + 10 / Range + 20%
* Duration +3s / Fire Rate +1
- Cooldown +1.5s / Power +45%
Fear Spread
* Gains 1 power of fear etc.
Hell Flame
- All Allies Dark damage is halved etc.
Soul Barrier
* Grants a barrier for 8 seconds to you and all allies each time a soul explodes
proud apex
Bold / asterisk * * what gets added from villager
amber mason
Wow I don't think I've ever seen this before
cold river
I first got it like 3 days ago
amber mason
The sphinx did a number on me
proud apex
Wow I don't think I've ever seen this before
Nice you got a legendary item from the Dark God
Each God can give 1 of 2 legendary specific to them
amber mason
Ah, that's probably why I haven't seen it
proud apex
The legendary items can be good… Rebecca has really nice items but they come with harsh stat detriments
amber mason
That was almost a skill issue
proud apex
Like one gives everyone a Ressurection when you die/adds more damage when your Allies die… BUT it comes with a -40% to max life and -20% to Skill Accel I think
amber mason
Man it's too bad I'm not building dark lol
proud apex
Oh hey, there’s Rebecca’s Legendary Item XD
I’d Give it to Diablo regardless, she still does dark damage
amber mason
I don't have to give it to diablo, technically
"When all allies inflict dark damage"
But she probably would benefit most from the range buff
amber mason
I'm gonna use this message to track what my Diablo gets. Attributes marked with ...
TBH this was fine
proud apex
It IS only a 15% chance but still, not something I’d be okay risking
And then forced to transfer later cause I would want something better
amber mason
It IS only a 15% chance but still, not something I’d be okay risking
35% chance at legendary
lol
amber mason
Op villager
amber mason
Oh this is very good for my run since I'm using kraken
cold river
Btw, is 50 pantsu the final upgrade for temps?
proud apex
Yes
proud apex
After 50 it’s maxed out
amber mason
almost two months of underwear
cold river
I'll go get the final pantsu upgrade for Enki before I try to do the event again
I just paid 10 pantsu
So 75 more Enki pantsu to go
proud apex
1 - 5 - 15 - 25 - 50 - (100 if you want to unlock the animations)
amber mason
And I just got the song of ice and fire event too
I think it's time for Diablo to stop being a villager
cold river
I always slap Loki on Stheno if I'm using her
proud apex
Even though she has no DoT
ACTUALLY
proud apex
It’s not Fire build Diablo?
amber mason
It is but I didn't take the DoT blaze
I took the extra fire damage blaze
This was disgusting lol
proud apex
This is basically your farming point, just run Myth until you feel like you got a good ground to go higher
Seems like you already are slowly making work if you are getting good clears on Myth like this
amber mason
I got titan's base skill to level 4 and the other two main actives to level 3 which is nice
ok real talk
should I use my seeds or whatever to upgrade legendary weapons
proud apex
Well you don’t have formations yet so I would… also upgrading legendary weapons just cost 1 seed each lvl
It’s not expensive at all
amber mason
I mean do you have to do it multiple times though
proud apex
Formations however are definitely seed expensive
Yes you do… but literally it’s one world seed each lvl upgrade
Funny enough it doesn’t go up in price
Goes up to lvl 6 for max
cold river
If I somehow max out every available upgrade and get the 100 pantsu unlock on every hero before season 0 officially releases, I'll buy the season pass
proud apex
And it has the same RNG like Temperments, you can get something extremely good, or basic
proud apex
If I somehow max out every available upgrade and get the 100 pantsu unlock on ev...
You won’t, I still haven’t even maxed out everyone yet
And I’ve been playing more than you most likely
cold river
Definitely
amber mason
It would be cool if there was an upgrade for like "you can choose from world 2/3/4 non-boss temperaments for your companion monster"
proud apex
I AM however about to get Villager’s Prisoner Animatiosn though (she is like the first you’ll max out guerenteed)
That would be neat… I’d personally like that
amber mason
Or even an upgrade for "you can set world 1/2/3/4 temperaments for your acolyte"
This would actually make a pleasure team viable
proud apex
Pleasure team is definitely a fun team but trying to take that to world 5 is suicide due to Awoken Joy
And the Desert team between stages 5-4 to 5-6
cold river
Lolol, I wasn't looking and Jorm died
proud apex
Chimera MVP
cold river
Chimera carrying after she died
proud apex
Carrying with her huge milkers
amber mason
Hot take, I actually think villager could be good on some monsters. Some monsters do require very specific builds to be good but others have a bit more freedom where the speed of acquiring attributes could be useful.
Especially if you're strategic about how you acquire skills so that you can prioritize upgrading ones that need a specific attribute
proud apex
Idk, I wanna agree with you that it speeds up the process but the risk of getting something dumb is still there
And the villager temperment’s extra points for each random skill vanish once you transfer Temperments
amber mason
Yeah but sometimes even if it's sub-optimal, it's not terrible. I think the main issue really is that it picks a bad passive
You know what, this is fine
proud apex
I’d take it
amber mason
Actually you know what
I feel like villager is good when you start out
and your prisoner capture chance is lower
amber mason
TFW summon monster actually gave me a compatible monster
amber mason
Rebecca’s other legendary item
I feel like immortality is kind of underwhelming.
proud apex
Oh how wrong you are in how much of a life saver it can be
amber mason
It seems like you need a lot of stacks for it to be noticeable
proud apex
I say after 2 upgrades is where it really helps you
amber mason
tfw I got both pyramid and mirage events
too bad I didn't have enough devil stone to do both
proud apex
So like… 4 Dark Blessing encounters is all you need
You need to ensure you get both immortality when you first get killed, and immortality after you get up
So 2 for both is enough
Sometimes those 4 seconds is all you need to ensure you get the kill before you die
amber mason
You think it's better than bubble then?
proud apex
Yes
Bubble just stops ONE hit
Immortality gives you complete invincibility while you’re dying in whatever timer you have
You’ve seen my clips, sometimes I’m getting blasted but because they are in immortality state they aren’t dying immediately, where as a bubble, it just blocks one hit from the bombardment and once that bubble is gone… DEAD
amber mason
Makes sense
Man I wish world 2 temperaments weren't so useless
TBH I feel like temperaments need another rework
there's too many that are just... never useful
I get that not all temperaments will be useful in all situations but a lot of them are like, I don't see any reason to ever take this
proud apex
Yeaaaaah you only really want Assassin or Wanderer… maybe Sphinx
Joy really doesn’t do anything
The Mid Boss Temperments are nice, but they get outclassed hard by others
amber mason
the sand priest one actually seems like a detriment too
amber mason
The Mid Boss Temperments are nice, but they get outclassed hard by others
Their stats are so bad
lol
amber mason
I like Luna's temperament, I just wish her stats were better
NGL I feel like the first two acolytes are pretty bad
lol
amber mason
And then world 3 has the "spread % of damage as fixed damage across 5 seconds"
which I feel like is pretty useless
NGL I feel like even Archer is better than some of the mid game temperaments
e.g. on chimera it's basically a free 25% increase in power
lol
proud apex
Preferably I’d give Chimera starting out with Priest
30% holy damage and Chiemra’s main gun is holy, you really don’t lose
amber mason
Oh yeah I forget that priest gives holy damage
ngl I kinda wish there was more holy damage
Just so those temperaments would be more interesting
cold river
Wouldn't Chimera be better off with Archer
proud apex
See now that’s a good rework cause Priest was TRASH
cold river
25% bonus to all projectile based skills
amber mason
Yeah but I see the point of early game you'd want the extra HP and the bonus holy damage is almost just as good since you start with holy attack
proud apex
Keep in mind I’m referring to STARTING Temperments, Aka starting companion, all those temps are normal
So Archer I think is really just a 10% boost
Not really that great
proud apex
Okay nvm I might be thinking of someone else
cold river
Even has ATK and AP stat to start with
amber mason
I feel like chimera's orbs show up the least
cold river
Sure feels like it
proud apex
Just Zasz @amber mason
proud apex
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I feel like we need a bot with a reaction to when someone asks you to whale XD
clever slate
amber mason
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Good ol dungeon maker
proud apex
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Look at this … playing the OTHER Dungeon game… traitor!
amber mason
Holy fuck it took me until 4-6 to get Chimera to show up
clever slate
amber mason
Oh what if you battle the nomad group you have a chance at 200 gold sometimes
I think this is the first time I've ever gotten that
proud apex
This was so stupid i loved it XD
I've never actually tried the cursed rainbow build
amber mason
I gotta remember not to auto acolyte battles on Genesis
cold river
Starts off slow then boom, Brave dead
Was a pretty damn good run, would have been perfect if I had one more sword drop or a blue Enki temp so I could clinch 250 ATK for the event at the same time
amber mason
How did that end up working