ARCHER MEGATHREAD: TALK ABOUT ARCHERS HERE!

[tiny vessel]

Would "anything" include a Vanguard guard crushing them and killing them with their own Longsword?

[surreal jacinth]

Anything means anything.

@tiny vessel vanilla knights are always butt hurt about everything. They 360 drag and run around duel servers with huge ego's.

[shell jetty]

I dont duel and hate archers. Argument nullified

[jolly python]

Lol true

[jolly python]

Shoes

[lone crystal]

Archers win again

[solemn thorn]

yet another footman W

[hybrid fjord]

Chivalry 2 player win

[solemn thorn]

shit he's right

[void mulch]

https://imgur.com/a/boSlVit when 2 archers go full lock in murder mode on each other

[surreal jacinth]

I'm absolutely based

Close the thread now

[steel osprey]

Cinematic

[simple vale]

wdym by vanilla? the only gaming context I know vanilla from is non-modded, and I don’t think you even can mod chiv 2

[muted terrace]

I can't believe how cool these archers think they are.

It really does blow my mind every time.

[hybrid fjord]

Thought I saw you using siege crossbow in the test.

[lone crystal]

Archers are the coolest. The only ones who surpass us are throwing axe mains

[hybrid fjord]

Whom are amongst the archers under TB's classification.

[jolly python]

We don’t think we’re cool, we are cool. Go back to manning feet, footman.

[steel osprey]

Hey, I'm cool!
Look:

https://tenor.com/view/yyongi-spongebob-gif-22463948

[surreal jacinth]

@simple vale vanilla as in plain Jane. As in every other player has a long sword or battle/Dane axe.

[vocal shell]

if we're on the test server we're testing. It'd be stupid not to.

I ended up spending most of the time on cav sword still though because it's my beloved

[void mulch]

lol that you have an averse emotional reaction to people in a thread about a thing enjoying that thing, and that you are addicted to a game that you think is bad enough to need "saving"

[vocal shell]

idk, when there's only one adequate game in a genre where every game ever to exist in that genre has been torpedoed by the repeat bad decisions made by their devs over and over it's not wrong to think it'd take a whole movement to properly get the attention of real decision-makers and not just moonmoon and connect

there isn't a real alternative to chiv 2, and there are segments of chiv 2 more than good enough to have a strong liking for it. You're basically arguing the equivalent of saying that we shouldn't have multiple decades of Super Smash Bros Melee as an engaging, interesting, and unique competitive game because that segment of the game doesn't like playing 4p ffa with items

there can be complete dealbreakers in "standard modes of play" and a game can still be good enough that you'd want to play it. It's really not a mutually exclusive setup.

[muted terrace]

Actually, its my job.

[vocal shell]

also that

[muted terrace]

I don't think anyone is addicted to working at a gas station.

[void mulch]

you get paid to be mystified at people having fun while playing a game you think needs to be "saved"?

[muted terrace]

I dont think you used the right word there.

[void mulch]

i dont really care

[muted terrace]

You cared enough to type it, haha.

[void mulch]

i dont care about the "right word"

to be more specific

[muted terrace]

Well then why even form sentences, just type any words in a random order.

[void mulch]

it still communicates what im saying effectively i think

[muted terrace]

Typical archer player behavior.

[void mulch]

you are genuinely one of the most broken people ive interacted with over a game ngl

[muted terrace]

Here, got you this.

Quite frankly, you've mystified me.

[void mulch]

yep, the fact that you predicated your original statement on "archers thinking theyre cool" shows that you were "perplexed" by the purpose of the discussion

since if i accept you as a genuine person making genuine statements- you clearly didnt understand the reason for what was being discussed here

ergo, your unintentional misframing of what you saw can only be ascribed to being "puzzled" (or bewildered)

thank you for providing me with some synonyms to describe what i saw

[muted terrace]

This truly is one of the archer moments of all time.

You creatures never fail to impress.

[void mulch]

why because theres no counter for what i said?

[muted terrace]

The idea that you activated ben shapiro mode is beyond hilarious to me, actually.

[void mulch]

no idea who he is really, but i accept taht you know enough about him to make the comparison

[muted terrace]

I could take the time to break that down, but it's much easier for me to laugh and leave before I argue with you for two hours.

[void mulch]

bye then 🙂

[muted terrace]

Have fun thinking you're the coolest ever with your archer slowmo footage. It's like watching a toddler think they're a super hero.

[void mulch]

not surprising you feel that way, since toddlers can have fun without thinking the playground is broken and needs saving

[muted terrace]

Got me there.

[lone crystal]

Archers win again

[plush forge]

I think we all lost that one

[void mulch]

nah- isolating a group of people enjoying themselves while harming nobody and taking the time to try adn shame them for it is always going to be lame and shouldnt be accepted

in particular when the context/group/room/etc is dedicated to that specific purpose or topic

[sharp patio]

whoa what the hell

this person's losing me

[harsh lake]

Honestly there aint gonna be any changes to archer besides adding weapons cause they are at the most balanced spot. The complaints that i seen have been mostly due to map balancing issues which they just need to work on them.

[tiny vessel]

Here's a crazy thought about a shortbow... What if it was given to a non-archer class as under the name "Hunting Bow"? I can't imagine a miniaturized recurve being an archer weapon since it'd fail to hit the breakpoint for one-hit-headshotting archers

[harsh lake]

Hunting bow from M&B lol. Honestly they have it already and they just call it the bow lol.

[tiny vessel]

Starting bow is still a longbow

[tiny vessel]

Bannerlord's hunting bow is better cuz it implies the carrying of a two-handed woodsplitter axe, which is M&B's equivalent to Chiv's Dane Axe

[harsh lake]

So give archers dane axe got it lol

https://tenor.com/view/stormtrooper-no-nope-stop-smh-gif-25657024

[lone crystal]

Archers don’t need dane axe when we have the almighty throwing axe

[void mulch]

aka the don't axe

[surreal jacinth]

@muted terrace aren't you banned from this thread better read the header again bad Boi.

[solemn thorn]

I'm gonna made a no archers allowed thread

[void mulch]

it would be ideal to sequester the archer whiners into their own safe space

they can reminisce about all the times they ignored cover and bandaged in the open and got arrowed for it

[solemn thorn]

no we're just gonna share videos with dramatic slow mo shots and jack each other off about how cool we are

[lone crystal]

Remember tho, no matter how cool you think you are, archers will always be cooler

[solemn thorn]

not possible

my arrow filled corpse is colder than any archer

[void mulch]

funny how we've come to a point where slow motion video game footage triggers certain ppl

[solemn thorn]

I just thought it ruined the flow pf the fight you were showing

Did you think I was legitimately angry about slow mo?

[void mulch]

the remark wasnt directed at you

but by the person that got upset over "archers thinking theyre cool" lmao

[solemn thorn]

good, because that would have been ridiculous

[void mulch]

oh well

thats a fair desctiption of how i felt when i saw you thought it was about you

[shell jetty]

Pity =/= triggered

[void mulch]

\

[shell jetty]

The dictionary version of triggered aint the same thing my guy 🤣

Try looking up "Nuance" while youre at it

[void mulch]

archers / people enjoying them are clearly triggering to some individuals tho. thats really inarguable.

[shell jetty]

Yet we can't even have a discussion about a limited time mode without Archers turning into rabid trolls

[void mulch]

a negative emotional response to a stimuli is in fact a trigger by any definition of the word, and some individuals have a history of said behavior

[void mulch]

and that doesnt nullify my remark at all

[shell jetty]

Is pity inherently negative?

[void mulch]

it simply provides a second example of the same mechanism happening to somebody else

it is, since it requires viewing a situation as bad

it inherently requires the perception of a negative situation or context

[shell jetty]

Yea your logic makes no sense. Argument disregarded.

[void mulch]

just because you cant figure something out doesnt make it wrong, elbow. but i appreciate that you disregard what you dont understand

[shell jetty]

Youre basically relating basic empathy to being triggered

[jolly python]

Wait a second

@muted terrace I banned you and Keeper from this thread

I’m afraid you’re going to jail now

[void mulch]

if somebody is "empathizing" with a situation and they land on "pity" as how they feel, when the situation in question is people having fun, any negativity perceived to even "pity" is being projected by the individual

[jolly python]

Also you smellies in my thread we stay on topic

[void mulch]

"oh wow those people enjoying that thing, this is so worthy of my pity" yet when those people are enjoying what theyre doing what is there to actually pity?

where is the negativity actually coming from in this example?

[shell jetty]

Yea.. that's not what he is pitying 🤣 but good try

Strawman

[void mulch]

what is he pitying

[shell jetty]

That you think your clips are awesome

[void mulch]

i think theyre pretty basic and never describe them as awesome

so again, all of this is predicated on the false framing of somebody else with the express purpose of putting somebody else down

[shell jetty]

🦸

[shell jetty]

Why are you assuming that instead of just genuine pity ? Theres no way you can know his inner monologue

[void mulch]

i never said that i think my videos are awesome

so you claim to either understand my inner monologue or.....what

[shell jetty]

Ok then

[void mulch]

pity inherently requires the perception of a negative situation to genuinely feel however, which was my point to begin with

[shell jetty]

No it doesn't

Negative is way to broad a word

[solemn thorn]

we getting deep now

[shell jetty]

Not seeing the word negative...

[void mulch]

suffering and misfortune are positive things to you?

[shell jetty]

Does being disappointed mean you are triggered ?

[void mulch]

i have no idea

but he didnt say disappointed

but im sure youre going to tell me what his inner monologue was

[sharp patio]

this has devolved

[shell jetty]

You linked the definition my guy

Literally read it

[solemn thorn]

gamers aren't oppressed enough

[void mulch]

in this case, then yes

[shell jetty]

Wow 🤣

Admitting you are wrong is an admirable trait, you should try it sometime

[void mulch]

what am i wrong about

[shell jetty]

That pitying people doesn't mean you are triggered

[void mulch]

ok, ill just be wrong then

[shell jetty]

😮

[solemn thorn]

I love English

[shell jetty]

I commend you

[void mulch]

unlike some other people ive seen you interact with, being correct simply isnt worth interacting with you

[solemn thorn]

damn he owned you

[void mulch]

so youre correct, and youll be correct over anything else that you disagree with that i say

[shell jetty]

Now whos triggered 😂

[void mulch]

i am, youre correct

[shell jetty]

Alrighty. Well good talk

[jolly python]

DO I NEED TO PING A MOD 🤓

[solemn thorn]

Well hopefully you can understand since you did send that message a mere 20 minutes after I made a sarcastic remark about creating a melee only thread where we use dramatic slow mo shots and jack ourselves off

[solemn thorn]

mayhaps this thread has outlived it's usefulness

[sharp patio]

server should just have class channels

[jolly python]

@halcyon steeple what do you think

[solemn thorn]

1: Stinky 2: stinky 3:the one that shoots arrows 4: the one that doesn't shoot arrows 5: stinky

I've finally decided to respond to the first message

[sharp patio]

wait a second this lied to us

[solemn thorn]

it used to be true

but like the game itself, basic features slowly erode and die

[lone crystal]

Archers win again

[jolly python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440328250112344064/1127697953713311904/caption.gif

[jolly python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAqTXkDG4Rs&ab_channel=BroodiestBoar54

[surreal jacinth]

Lol

[solemn thorn]

he's so right

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-wtf-darth-vader-high-the-fuck-is-this-gif-17291381

[jolly python]

0join my archer discord

[harsh lake]

Was that you that sent me the invite? lol

[jolly python]

who else?

[harsh lake]

Someone that wanted AHHHHHH thunder but didnt deserve it?

[jolly python]

shut up ho join the discord

[harsh lake]

cant

i ignored your message so its gone lol

I would need another invite

[jolly python]

https://discord.gg/h66hNkes

oh damn it let the invite through

[harsh lake]

how long will it last till someone pings mods to remove it lol

[jolly python]

we shall see

[jolly python]

Damn dude I just realized, this thread has been around for not so much time but it exploded anyway

[harsh lake]

Any archer thread will explode

[jolly python]

Perhaps I should close it

[steel osprey]

Archer thread: exists
People who never play archer: floods the chat until the mods arrive

[plush forge]

I blame the archers

[jolly python]

Badger my friend, please do not

[plush forge]

I'm sorry but you brought it on yourselves.

[jolly python]

I'm sorry, are you speaking to me, a non-archer?

Oh wait I am an archer

[plush forge]

You hide behind your throwing axes, but deep down, at your very core, you're still an archer

[jolly python]

Yes.

I'm an archer and I'm proud

Just try it, Badger. Maybe you're just afraid you'll like it.

The throwing axes are calling for you.

[plush forge]

I've seen what archery does to a man. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[jolly python]

One of these days, you will join us.

[plush forge]

no

[jolly python]

yes

[solemn thorn]

I uninstalled before the archers could claim me

[jolly python]

Oh really?

[vocal shell]

people who actually like archer: spams the same unhelpful tripe so that the threads go in circles with the people who dislike archer without addressing a single actual fundamental issue with how archer impacts gameplay

[solemn thorn]

no the game just sucked

[jolly python]

Oh

Then why are you here

[vocal shell]

that's also why the mods actually end up arriving, we go in circles for several hundred messages and then things get moderately heated and if keeper is there the insults start flying beyond just implications upon gameplay skill and such

[solemn thorn]

so I can do a little trolling

[jolly python]

Sunder you are welcome to join our discussion

[solemn thorn]

my technique isn't as refined as keeper, but I'll get there

[vocal shell]

also if the game didn't suck there's actually a really really good game if you rip past the layers of suck

unfortunately the technical state of the game is almost cyberpunk release levels of abysmal

[plush forge]

Just claim everything as moving goalposts and gaslighting.

[vocal shell]

played in stridah's event and then LTS tonight and man did it get frustrating that inputs would simply fail to buffer or buffer successfully yet input late

[jolly python]

It is you, sir, that moves goalposts

[vocal shell]

at least in stridah's event I could maincall and that made up for the poor gameplay

[solemn thorn]

I'm not ready for the mental backlash such actions would cause me

[plush forge]

He's beginning to believe

[vocal shell]

you just have to remember that if you're trolling you're allowed to hold contradictory positions without shame or issue and totally ignore any cognitive dissonance which occurs, as such is the intention of trolling

[plush forge]

Then you will never reach the true heights of an archer main

[jolly python]

Awesome, trolling fodder revitalized

[solemn thorn]

are you telling me to doublethink

[vocal shell]

yes

don't forget to cling onto the exact same points repeatedly and then move goalposts when it's clear a point like countering arrows doesn't actually have enough utility to meaningfully resolve an issue. Make sure that you exaggerate the effectiveness of insufficient solutions and to exaggerate largely irrelevant weaknesses.
If there's context, ignore it or use it as a weapon such as if you were to claim polehammer is the best weapon in the game because it has awesome on-paper potentials, and generally just take the least productive route for every interaction

you just have to be less on the nose about it than royal

royal has no subtlety

[solemn thorn]

is that guy my competition for the keeper mantle

[vocal shell]

I think random is also in on it depending on his mood

[solemn thorn]

we're about to enter an arms race to see who can claim keeper's title

the mods have no idea what they've set in motion

[hybrid fjord]

I've seen some shit too man, archers aren't anything to stress over.

[plush forge]

Then you are naive

[solemn thorn]

fight fight fight fight

[plush forge]

I bring only peace, and warnings of archery

[solemn thorn]

I'll never forget your minor spelling mistake

[plush forge]

Cake or death?

[solemn thorn]

in your most private moments, I'll be there

I'll whisper onto your ear "remember when you said 'I bring only peace, and warnings or archery'?"

[hybrid fjord]

I bring peace and pan fried chicken with sauce.

[plush forge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-no-darth-vader-gif-5023286

[solemn thorn]

you'll hear it in your dreams, your every waking moment will become haunted by this minor error

the real question is: can I claim keeper's title with my own brand of trolling

after all, the age of keeper is over

[jolly python]

@plush forge then come to our domain to present your argument

[vocal shell]

I just want people to have the options required to configure their environments and gameplay.
Server tickrate is a one line config change.
Archer limits and engineer limits are one line each and would make it trivial to play without archers, but in an optional environment which players would have to opt into by choice.
Cancel to parry still doesn't work consistently and I'm increasingly suspecting there's some server-level block lockout
It would be nice if people could exclude subclasses from shuffle.
I would like an environment where we can test different team damage percentage values with relevant degrees of hitstop on teammates(include heavies, lights only, lights only+heavy stab, no hitstop but 100% team damage, etc.) among other likely simple to test balance changes.
If we could just pay for our own hardware to toss at chivalry 2 servers suddenly our problems other than the shuffle one at least partially go away.

[lone crystal]

Archer: 69 Melee: 0

Archers win again

[muted terrace]

Freaks.

[steel osprey]

Dats alota words

[lone crystal]

“🤡”

[muted terrace]

Archers are in a constant state of thinking they're the best, coolest and always correct, and they're also the ones that will never see that they aren't.

You are the prime example.

[lone crystal]

Drink some water bro. It’s ain’t that deep. Most archers in these threads like poking fun at the anti archer gang. Ya’ll are too sensitive

[muted terrace]

I've been playing this game for three years, and the amount of "nice" archer players can be counted on a single hand. They're either dumb as a fucking rock, a malicious insect or both.

It's not even that they're an archer, it's that archer as a class naturally attracts people like you.

[lone crystal]

Lmao “people like me”

Bro, from what I’ve seen, theres only a handlful of ppl that act like clowns here and you’re one of them

[muted terrace]

I don't think anyone who plays archer has the ability to talk about others in a meaningful capacity.

A clown is calling me a fool.

[simple vale]

I mean to be fair one who has inside knowledge is more likely to identify others

just because one is a clown doesn’t mean they can’t notice a fool who dances in front of their eyes

[hybrid fjord]

We're all fools

[simple vale]

then again I only read the three most recent messages so I’ve no idea what the discussion is lol. all I know is you randomly interjected by calling this thread freaks

[muted terrace]

I peek in here and constantly see archers praising themselves like they're winners.

Freaks is the nicest word I can say.

They sit in here, shout "nuh uh" any any oposition, then say "another W" when the other party gives up.

[hybrid fjord]

When you act better than huffing your own shit, we'll be more likely have a discussion than meme your bandwagon.

[simple vale]

both sides do tend to get aggressive tbh

Anyways I also think that the whole archer discussion really just doesn’t lend itself to productive discourse either.
Someone’ll come in and say that arrows need to be able to be blocked without a shield, and then others will just say “that’s stupid,” because both sides just have a fundamental disagreement of what’s good for the game

[lone crystal]

My guy is taking archer shitposting way too seriously lmao.

And anyone who is blatantly toxic to others is a clown. Archers, melee players, Martians, God. Don’t matter. Be civil or don’t say anything.

[simple vale]

Definitely agree with you on that second point. Haven’t paid enough attention to chat to agree with that first one

Though also i honestly really don’t think it’ll ever be possible to come to a consensus either unless like, moddable servers came along where you can actually test out various ideas of how people think archers should be like. Until then it’ll always just be people on both sides arguing over things that they vehemently believe with all their heart that they’ll never actually know for sure will be a good fit for the game

anyways melee archer is still the best way to play chiv 2

[muted terrace]

I've attempted, and every time I do, "nuh uh" shows up.

It's fucking pointless to discuss things with a collective of people who never had the intent to discuss.

I've been here a lot longer than you have, I've tried being civil, I've tried being polite about it, reasonable, analytical, with both parties interests in mind. It doesn't matter.

Archers are fucking cretins and they always want to make it all about them.

[simple vale]

I mean hey. keeper’s gone so maybe you’ll have a bit more luck lol.

[muted terrace]

Certainly a start, but then you see people like in here.

[lone crystal]

Archers win again

[muted terrace]

It's insane.

It's impossible to have a discussion in an environment where someone can just say "you're wrong, I win, haha" over and over again until you leave.

[simple vale]

I’ll take your word for it on the people here being like that, because really the only person I remember when reading through this is random the throwing axer

[muted terrace]

Not like this guy above me is doing much else either.

(Not you)

[simple vale]

To be fair I’m fairly certain this is just a joke lol

Or do you mean bog

[lone crystal]

you’re wrong, I win, haha

[hybrid fjord]

First off, tenure means jack all to a company in overall balancing decisions. Second of all I have only seen you act like a jackass in general and in these topics.

[muted terrace]

Depending on how much aim assist gets nerfed, I cant wait for people like ash to make threads about how the aim assist nerf was too much because it won't do the work for them.

Enjoy your auto-aim while you can.

[lone crystal]

tHe AiM aSsIsT nErF wAs ToO mUcH, iT wOnT dO tHe WoRk FoR mE

[muted terrace]

Or maybe it won't be nerfed enough and it'll still do the work for you, it remains to be seen. No one during the test actually used controller.

[hybrid fjord]

It won't affect me as badly lol.

[hybrid fjord]

Mordhau archery is interesting.

[jolly python]

Fellas are angry again

[lone crystal]

😡

[tiny vessel]

||usually, i eat a sprint attack from behind after the second or third boot||

[lone crystal]

Ngl I respect him for bowing before feet. He’s a man of culture

[steel osprey]

It'll feel weird not getting shredded by console archers, they were frightening once you've been spotted

[jolly python]

Idk why Ziggy’s upset. We were all having a cordial discussion

[shell jetty]

This limp-wristed biasboy thinks hes random savior

Smh

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell u da Goat for that

[lone crystal]

Tf does that even mean

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-popcorn-eating-gif-18107571

[surreal jacinth]

But again as you said it will be very hard to balance anything when we all use different setups l. Controller players are at an obvious disadvantage. Any change to the game mechanics will hurt them.

@vocal shell

[jolly python]

Elbow can we be friends

Yay

[harsh lake]

With the game allowing cross platform then yes Controller players will have a significant disadvantage when it comes to any type of nerfs that happen to the game.

[vocal shell]

the main problem with controller imo is actually the inability to rebind and how much is hardcoded input

kbm actually has similar problems with horses where you have to edit horse inputs in input.ini

[surreal jacinth]

@harsh lake but when they're a majority of our players base it's not right or healthy to give them the shaft.

[vocal shell]

I can't stab on horseback because if I stab I do a forward trample or a back trample due to having my stabs on r and f

and I never bothered to fix it because horse modes are irrelevant

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell controller has a lot more limitations then just rebinds

[jolly python]

Good sirs what does this have to do with archers

[vocal shell]

controller's limitations are much less prominent with good binds to the point where its advantages probably put it about equal

it's just that you can't get good binds except for on pc with input.ini edits

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell the main disadvantage is aiming with sticks

[vocal shell]

and that's mostly relevant if you're an archer player. Aiming with sticks lets you maximize drags and perform smooth manips in a way which isn't possible on kbm

[shell jetty]

From a design perspective, console players are a much more casual audience on the whole and dedicating disproportionate dev time to give them advantages that PCs have inherently, is not a good play.

[vocal shell]

the smoothness helps make them harder to read and I've definitely noticed that out of console players

the good ones at least

[surreal jacinth]

That's why fps console games have aim assistant though

[vocal shell]

good thing chiv doesn't require that level of precision

[jolly python]

Good sirs what does this have to do with archers

[vocal shell]

the chiv problem is that we have a shitload of binds and a controller cannot fit all of them and menus

[shell jetty]

Assist is putting it mildly. They have GTA5 lock-on right now.

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell most games not require crazy aim precision anyway cod ex

[vocal shell]

you seen the titanfall 2 "aim assist" clips? they've got that

[shell jetty]

I haven't

[vocal shell]

I know. I used to play mw3 and blops 1 with aim assist disabled in menu

pretty sure bullet magnetism was still active though

there was no option to disable that

[surreal jacinth]

The common this between most fps console games is the fact that they have aim assist thought

[jolly python]

My arm is tingling

[surreal jacinth]

I would also disable it as an ex Xbox fan boy I speak from experience.

It's definitely do able to play without aim assist but most if not all still have it to keep the arcade like feel of the game

[vocal shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757761656741691513/1029795215671828521/magnets.webm found where I posted it

shit wrong link

there was like 5 in the one post lol

https://gfycat.com/newflatbedbug-pcmasterrace-overwatch-esports# discord apparently doesn't embed in the order links are posted in

weird af, but here's titanfall

[surreal jacinth]

But those game have wide open areas I could see why the aim bot is a little cranked

With my mouse I could hit that spray ez, with a controller I'm not to sure.

We need to find the silver lining where a new player could pick up archer of console and feel rewarded. But not discouraged by the fact the aim assist doesn't behave like other games.

[vocal shell]

new players shouldn't feel instantly rewarded for playing an fps game in what is primarily a "hit people with the bigger stick" game. There's a reason most long term players get extremely bored fast on archer, and it's because I'd expect on average it's just obviously more fun to hit people in melee.

[jolly python]

I hit people in melee as archer

[surreal jacinth]

If I read the game description it labels the game as an fps as well

[vocal shell]

sounds like they need to fix the labeling

or it's because they recommend first person in melee as well for immersion and a slasher tag doesn't exist

[harsh lake]

Well for one I agree that aim assist shouldnt be moving you courser onto players, so we should eliminate that issue. For medieval game you really shouldnt need something that crazy but something that allows for cursor to not move so quickly off of targets is something that they need. But another issue which i have been seeing is that for console its hard for people to do a lot of things cause of the mapping of the controls which you cant change for controller. They get way worse lag, stuttering issues then PC players do which honestly has been an issue all rounder for this game for awhile which TB seems to not give 2 shits about and wanting a cash grab before shutting the game down.

[vocal shell]

it's common for labeling to be subtly improper because of "one size fits all" tagging

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell but it's also an fps game. Archers are a part of medieval combat and a major advantage to anyone who had them in there army.

[solemn thorn]

oh boy wake up to the realism argument

[vocal shell]

series S can't handle 60 FPS consistently in 64p TO because it's a last gen console, and last gen consoles are even worse off because they don't have an SSD and I think they have somewhat less vram and the game doesn't seem to have good default texture streaming behavior when vram constrained combined with texture streaming while vram constrained makes performance disk-dependent, and again last gen consoles don't have SSDs

[surreal jacinth]

@harsh lake again I cleaved ppl for 2 years straight I have no remorse about something that shouldn't have been in the game to begin with.

[vocal shell]

spears realistically dominated warfare almost completely outside of archery and they balanced the game so that we're not 32 players using spears, poleaxes, and halberds because variety is the spice of life. It's about what makes a good game.

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell why clown emote the truth?

[solemn thorn]

I'm glad we're playing medieval simulator and not a funny game

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell putting cold steel into anyone and them dying is realistic regardless of the form,spear,mace,sword,arrow, and battle axes.

[vocal shell]

true. I think we should find a way to do a 3d implementation of exanima's systems so that we can start playing medieval arma

[harsh lake]

You realize Series S can handle way more complexed games then Chiv 2 right? It has nothing to do with the console, its just the game thats the issue.

[solemn thorn]

we should update the game to make it so bladed weapons like the knife and arrows all do 80% reduced damage to knight, it's only reasonable since plate armor was so effective at protecting people

this game is just poorly optimized, series S should be able to handle it

[shell jetty]

On what planet is that "reasonable" ? 🤣

[solemn thorn]

it's sarcastic

[surreal jacinth]

@solemn thorn use that mace you peasants

[harsh lake]

It can handle it technically, its the game thats the issue lol. Like PC players get issues playing 64 TO as well and there is a big difference on playing 64 compared to 40. Its goofy and shouldnt happen.

[harsh lake]

I want peasant class

[shell jetty]

Plenty of people be thinkin like that here. That was not obvious enough

*i have a collection of medieval weaponry on the wall so i know balance "

[vocal shell]

I mean agreed, but also there is a reason the performance on series S is clearly between last gen and real machines. In the "Graphic" thread I note that they've poorly optimized the shadows and lighting and that they haven't set up the game to handle lower configurations of that well, so they simply shit on performance basically

[solemn thorn]

I've demonstrated a very clear "stop trying to make changes based exclusively on realism" mentality

I think you just didn't have the context

[shell jetty]

True

[vocal shell]

we're also making fun of it because it's the only actual argument in favor of the place of archer in the game's systems other than the thematic argument, and no amount of theming is enough to justify not having at least an optional environment without them

I think players should have to actively click a button to knowingly play in a no archer queue while a with archer queue is available

just like they chose to play without horses

the community tends to sort that out fairly well by simply having options and making personal gameplay decisions if given the options in-game

it would have the side benefit of unfucking team balance in whatever the archer queue is somewhat because most of the comp players who like to play with friends and crush the lobby balance no matter what team they're on simply because there's 4 of them won't be doing that in that queue

there would be that as an incentive to play archer queue

[harsh lake]

Well for one i said why not to limited time no archer mode. The reason why they wouldnt do that in the first place is because it would diverse the player base and make them set up more servers then they should which would be more money coming out of their pocket to fund for. What ive been saying for the longest is them just allowing private servers to be setup and they charge for them, they make the money and players get what they want.

[jolly python]

Guys I just tried playing Mordhau again

😦

[vocal shell]

my condolences

[solemn thorn]

sorry for your loss

[jolly python]

I died a lot

[vocal shell]

they clearly have significantly underutilized capacity given the shitload of low player to 0 player server browser servers and it seems like they overprovision their instances anyway because fuck you I guess

or at least that's the only explanation I have for how bad the servers perform so often

if they're not overprovisioned they've got some real shit to answer for

[harsh lake]

Well its goofy cause they trying to keep horse warfare around when no one wants it. They have south central littered with empty duel joust servers that no one plays.

[harsh lake]

The server browser option for 64 players or even 40 are horrendous experience. Honestly i only use server browser to play my FFA which has gotten way more popular lately since they dont get the major lag issues like the rest of the game modes in this game.

[vocal shell]

40p server browser is sometimes pretty ok. It wasn't too bad yesterday during stridah's event, but yeah unless you get a tournament server like the MFL does and sometimes even if you do 64p performs unconscionably bad

the server software doesn't seem to scale past 40p particularly well

[surreal jacinth]

@solemn thorn I'm not calling for that at all btw. Just calling sunder out for saying that this is just a slash/bash game

[vocal shell]

almost like 64p was a late in development thing and none of the first set of maps were even designed for 64p

and the game itself wasn't really intended for 64p

to the degree that most maps in 64p work the same way 32 player instant respawn dustbowl works, brute force

[harsh lake]

I actually even question about people trying to balance weapons in this game when the game doesnt function well enough to determine balancing lol. TO is just a damn mess when it comes to non stop hit registration issues, lag, stutter, etc. Sadly even Brawl mode has its occasional moments where things dont want to work correctly.

[solemn thorn]

you called sunder out for saying that most experienced players find it more fun to hit things in melee by saying that archers were valuable to a historical medieval army?

I don't think that can have sense forced into it

[vocal shell]

it's pretty tough honestly. You just have to have played enough to have an understanding of how the weapon performs when it's working and that's something you can only get by playing more than the healthy amount of chivalry 2.

One of the reasons, for example, I don't want 1h spear buffed or changed in any way is because it's one of those weapons which is just utter aids to play against with the netcode in its current state, and its special makes that even worse because while it's not the best special in the game(that's poleaxe or polehammer probably) it is easily the most grotesque special in the entire game(both melee behavior and special shared with jav. Javs are quite good weapons in melee.) meaning that even if there's room in the power budget we shouldn't use it.

Heavy cav sword could use some tracer/hitbox changes to prevent early hitting ground on overheads which is a real issue regardless of netcode state, and quarterstaff could use a little more meat on the range of its slashes and stabs just in general, but in the case of, for example, the katars it's hard to say how much is netcode and how much is the weapon simply not working.

[surreal jacinth]

@solemn thorn iam also a lvl600 player so calling me a player who lack experience is kinda dumb

[vocal shell]

I still lean toward the katars still need more meat on those hitboxes, but that's not an easy call

[harsh lake]

Its fun to hit people in melee for the sheer purpose of either slicing off limbs or bashing some ones skull in lol. Archery is fun to get sick headshots or even do trick shots.

[solemn thorn]

good for you I don't care

why the fuck are either of you responding to me for a claim I didn't make

Are you two okay? How long have you two been standing next to the brazier?

[surreal jacinth]

@solemn thorn I respect @vocal shell opinion even if I don't agree with it %100 of the time.

[solemn thorn]

impressive, why are you pinging me about it

[harsh lake]

Honestly i havent really seen much complains regarding Spear all that much besides 2 handed spear as pretty much you just continue charging people for a shit ton of damage. Only big complaints ive seen is the Messer which honestly I can see why.

[surreal jacinth]

@harsh lake as a 2h spear main the spear charge can be easily counted. For a weapon the relays on teammates charging away from them can be a death sentence.

[harsh lake]

Someone cranky? I just responded to what you typed about Sunders post thats all. Honestly if you dont want people responding to you then why you typing in the thread?

[solemn thorn]

I just woke up

[vocal shell]

yeah the messer is a problem because it's a flawless weapon with 0 bad matchups in the entire game. It is a weapon whose worst matchup is itself.

[harsh lake]

You drink some coffee?

[surreal jacinth]

@solemn thorn cranky bby was waaa

[solemn thorn]

Why are you responding to directly to me when I'm referencing someone else's claim. I'm not even responding to it, I'm just restating it

[vocal shell]

halberd is the undisputable king of teamfights, but the messer simply does everything and has ruled the duel scene since day uno

[solemn thorn]

not a coffee drinker

[harsh lake]

I usually just use Katars against them which honestly I just combo away unless they do Alt Heavy then yeah its hard to counter.

[vocal shell]

yeah most people just don't know how to fight katar

you just have to set up hit trades or feint to jab

[harsh lake]

Then hangry maybe? I know im actually starving myself lol

[surreal jacinth]

Most strong weapons are on knight class tbh daneaxe,polehammer,Messer

[solemn thorn]

I have no problem with people responding to me, but you're responding to sunder through me for some reason

[vocal shell]

feint to jab beats miss to special every time and such

[solemn thorn]

I haven't eaten anything yet, I should do that

[harsh lake]

I wasnt i was just responding to you which is why i replied to your message.

[surreal jacinth]

@solemn thorn stop shit posting please big boys arr talking

[solemn thorn]

fuck off royal you're not useful

[vocal shell]

polehammer is poleman. Knight has Longsword, Greatsword, Heavy Mace, Messer, Warhammer, and Executioner's Axe. 2hh exists but is a direct inferior to hmace.

Poleaxe is on Knight too but it's not a "traditionally strong" weapon so much as it has a reasonable niche

[harsh lake]

The Stam buff makes them worth while now as i can riposte more with them now which is great.

[solemn thorn]

see that's where it doesn't make sense, because you only talked about sunders statement

[vocal shell]

oh yeah they're absolutely quite reasonably good now in a dueling environment and almost "usable" in TO as well, although 64p is still too noisy for my preference if I were to use them which is why I got my 60 kill katar game in 40p, for example

[harsh lake]

That you were also talking about

[vocal shell]

I knew at some point they'd unfuck katars at least a bit and duelists would have to learn to play against them though and it's good they did so because katars should be fun

[solemn thorn]

I was responding to royal who said he was calling out sunder for claiming the game was just slash/bash

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell my bad poleaxe was the weapon is was trying to type. But I have 0 problem with knights being strong. I would like to see the time to kill be reduced in the game like in the first year of release.

[vocal shell]

that's also why I bullied clanmates with the worse version of katars a bunch until most of them learned the MU

[solemn thorn]

I said it doesn't make sense that you'd do that by saying archers are valuable to medieval armies

[harsh lake]

I got my FFA wins with Katars even pre buff which honestly i was proud of. Hard asf but so much fun to be able to fight multiple people with them, turning a meme weapon into a god weapon lol.

[solemn thorn]

and for some reason, both you and royal responded to what sunder had said, not what I had said

[vocal shell]

given their ability to kill extremely fast that's not unsurprising

katar is capable of closing out kills fast enough to get an ffa win. It might actually be harder to win with glaive than katar

[harsh lake]

You question him about his reasoning for using realism into what he was talking about. I just replied to it just stating the fun facts of melee and archery.

[solemn thorn]

so you just responded to me for shits and giggles then

[harsh lake]

Not really no glaive has been a lot easier then Katars. Mostly for the cleaving which allows for multi kills.

[surreal jacinth]

You seem to be easily upset brother. Chill this is a casual game.

[solemn thorn]

you didn't actually have anything to say about what I said, you just wanted to say some fun facts and responded to me for it

[solemn thorn]

don't call me brother

[harsh lake]

Responding to your comment to his comment about his comment. Idk why you focusing so hard about this lol

[solemn thorn]

because it doesn't make any fucking sense

[surreal jacinth]

OK ima be in the stab change thread come over there and roast me.

[solemn thorn]

bye

[harsh lake]

He responded to you cause you question his method on questioning his. I just replied with what you questioned on why i thought melee was fun. Its not hard to figure out.

[solemn thorn]

I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are so used to the asinine miscommunication on this server that you can't see it when it happens

[harsh lake]

Then why reply if you feel that way? Makes no sense.

[solemn thorn]

because I'd like it if the discussion forums weren't full of people who can't communicate

makes for really bad feedback

also resulted in the last 3 archer threads

[harsh lake]

Then report it if thats how you feel and should be rid of. In reality your questioning why people are responding to you when your responding to them and your getting upset about it. Doesnt that consider making a really bad feedback?

[solemn thorn]

more confused than upset

besides, I didn't even respond to you, I was responding to royal

[harsh lake]

" good for you I don't care
why the fuck are either of you responding to me for a claim I didn't make
Are you two okay? How long have you two been standing next to the brazier? "

[solemn thorn]

he didn't even respond to what I was actually saying either

[harsh lake]

That seems like bad feedback to me

[surreal jacinth]

@solemn thorn @harsh lake yall still going

[solemn thorn]

First one royal spouting his level, I don't care about that. Second, actual questioning why you were responding to me instead of sunder. Third, obvious joke.

[surreal jacinth]

Sunder left after dropping bombs in this thread

May his sanity come back

[harsh lake]

Even as a joke thats considered bad feedback since you dont know if people are joking or not over the internet lol. There isnt an indicator to say hey this is a joke. Especially now and days people are crazy enough to say things that really dont make sense. So in reality you acting like a hypocrite adding onto the really bad feedback.

[vocal shell]

I was in another thread telling a player how to set up a config/letting them know what impact it'd actually have on their game because I wouldn't want them to make significant visual changes to their game without knowing what they're getting into

[harsh lake]

Unless that was a joke too lol

[vocal shell]

I think I'm about to go back to doing some for-fun reading though

maybe go play a couple random singleplayer games

[solemn thorn]

And it absolutely isn't good feedback. The point of me starting this wasn't to give TB feedback. Otherwise I'd be talking about archer in the archer thread. The point is to learn why the hell you two ignored my actual message and responded to someone else through me

If we can communicate better, maybe TB will actually use these forums for feedback

[harsh lake]

We responded to your response? How hard is that to understand lol? So nice you just basically told everyone your a hypocrite.

[harsh lake]

No Chiv 2 only for you

Test game more and fix it!

[solemn thorn]

you never responded to the original statement I made, only to the restating of sunders statement

[vocal shell]

I think TB just ignores the archer threads. They've definitely used a lot of the other ones. Engineers pull barricades out upon resupply because of a misinterpretation of some engineer player feedback that we should be able to continue holding out barricades while out of barricades so that we can resupply more efficiently

a worse than nothing kind of change but it's also obvious they were trying to listen

[solemn thorn]

so it's just archer threads that are shitholes

[harsh lake]

They honestly have at this point. Too many archer threads as an honest joke and are talking about the same things over and over again in every thread. They just took the 1st archer feed back and said okay.

Thats why you dont see any changes to archer cause they seen the actual good one before they got turned to shit lol

[vocal shell]

no, it's the stab thread too but that's because they had a couple usable stab feedback threads before the dev-made thread. It's usually that archer threads and dev-made threads are shitholes.

[solemn thorn]

simply incredible

[vocal shell]

I think the stab feedback threads were "wait why can we stab through teammates when we can't slash or overhead this is stupid" and then I made a more detailed thread which specifically noted heavy stabs as a likely problem and the poor general incentive structure related to that and I think I pinged moonmoon in there

and then the stab change thread happened

so I know for a fact that was a player feedback change, and knowing they have heavy stabs in particular on their radar shows they took useful notes

heavy stabs being on the chopping block for team hitstop was something connect noted specifically iirc

[solemn thorn]

I'm still waiting for them to fix the "can't see mace skins" thing I brought up last year

[harsh lake]

I honestly thought they were arguing about how to solve the issue lol

[hybrid fjord]

I'm gonna be honest engineer cade distance needed to be curbed.

[solemn thorn]

You can always make a new feedback thread. Be more likely to be noticed than if you leave your idea here to die

[static finch]

Devs don’t read feedback

[solemn thorn]

see that's what I'm saying

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-hand-shake-arnold-arnold-swarzeneger-gif-9494194

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell along as all slashes hit stop its a good change for pc players.

[tiny vessel]

The feet he's bowing to was originally gonna be covered in his brains :v

[jolly python]

Wonder what’s gonna happen next

[lone crystal]

Mmm flavoured feet

[halcyon steeple]

Hi guys and gals

[solemn thorn]

omg Ayla back

do you have any wisdom for us?

[lone crystal]

Oh god, it’s a katar player

[void mulch]

*katar hero

devastators be like: i prefer rock band

lol ayla had like 3 minutes of freedom?

[solemn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/593006079223529475/798922980452728832/image0.gif

Ayla gone

[void mulch]

did they get banned lol

[hybrid fjord]

Mod just looking for excuses to suspend her smh my head

[lone crystal]

Lmao that’s hilarious

[void mulch]

https://imgur.com/a/xGNfKv4

[solemn thorn]

biggest arrow I've ever seen

[void mulch]

b a l l i s t a

siege bow preview

[lone crystal]

Would actually be pretty cool if you could skewer things like that and carry them around in game

[jolly python]

6985411*

[void mulch]

archer nest

2xbows, longbow and warbow lol

[surreal jacinth]

@void mulch see that's what I'm talking about

That looks sick

[void mulch]

https://imgur.com/fdHjXQq these were the same archers /map, look at that knight 💀

[sharp patio]

you stand still on battlements long enough you become a pin cushion

[lone crystal]

Damn, ya random queued a firing squad

[latent moth]

I dunno much numbers but those seem big. I’m scared now

Malric please make the big scary numbers go away

[lone crystal]

If you know their true meaning, it’s already too late for you

[sharp patio]

What if I only know one of them?

I think you know which number

[lone crystal]

Then there is still hope. Cleanse yourself with vanilla and you may bask in light, if not, you will only fall into darkness

[sharp patio]

Unfortunately I already frequent said darkness

[lone crystal]

I see, you’ve made a most cultured choice. Welcome friend

[latent moth]

Do hugs count as darkness? I frequent those

[lone crystal]

No, hugs are a thing of the light. If you get many hugs, you shall be safe

[latent moth]

I get and give many hugs

Someday I’m gonna hug everyone in the whole world

[hybrid fjord]

Never

[lone crystal]

Your purity is adorable. I support your endeavours

[hybrid fjord]

Current arbalist fashion. I should take a screen of my recurve archer.

[steel osprey]

wrong server lol

[hybrid fjord]

I'll show everyone

[jolly python]

Archers win again

[steel osprey]

we always do
cries irl

[tiny vessel]

Something about me using the messer's standing special on an unsuspecting archer spine

[sharp patio]

It's the same as a greatsword, right?

[tiny vessel]

Yep, though I usually go Messer/Glaive raider cuz that seems like a solid jack-of-all-trades loadout

[sharp patio]

Literally any two weapons on raider is a jack of all trades loadout

[tiny vessel]

Glaive is a dedicated 2v1 weapon, I find. It's the absolute worst pick for general fighting, but it still has its niche if one of your teammates is attacking your target with shorter reach weapons

2H hammer i feel is a bit overtuned for a weapon where you have a dane axe or glaive secondary. If i really wanted to go full tryhard, i'd pick that but i generally don't

[jolly python]

Imagine playing Raider...gross...

[sharp patio]

I just do it whenever I want to use the best throwable weapon in the game

[jolly python]

EXCUSE ME???

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY

[tiny vessel]

I like having both dueling and 2v1 utility, even if i'm worse at both than people using specialized loadouts.

[hybrid fjord]

I like to play Raider

[lone crystal]

God, how do people play glaive. It feels so bad to me that I usually swap back to messer

[hybrid fjord]

I just swing it at people until they die

[sharp patio]

takes a while, doesn't it

[lone crystal]

It’s fast but seeing the 35-45 dmg is depressing. I prefer chonky dmg numbers

[sharp patio]

it's just a long knife

[hybrid fjord]

It's a shortsword on a stick

It has its uses though

[jolly python]

Holy fucks

Just use the weapon you have fun with you buffoons.

[solemn thorn]

kill him

[muted terrace]

Not surprising for an archer player

[hybrid fjord]

I can't determine if this vid with the catapult should go in gameplay or memes

[jolly python]

Here

[lone crystal]

“🤡”

[muted terrace]

"I don't know how to use weapons that don't carry me"

like bro you play archer and messer, lmao

maybe you'll use longsword if you're feeling brave

[lone crystal]

Imagine joining a discussion only to act like a clown

[muted terrace]

Discussion?

Where?

All I've seen is archer players patting themselves on the back.

[jolly python]

We are always having a refined discussion until you appear to muck it all up!

[muted terrace]

Okay then allow me to chat about the glaive. It's pretty good, but pretty bad against good players in a 1v1 environment.

[hybrid fjord]

Speaking of messers, Skall pointed out a really nice one from a company that makes affordable ones.

[jolly python]

Skirmisher should get the glaive

[lone crystal]

Skall? Skallgrim?

[muted terrace]

There's very few weapons I feel aren't good at something.

[hybrid fjord]

Yes

Skallagrim

He recommended in live chat where to get my dane axe

[muted terrace]

I made this some time ago to cover what's good or bad in a teamfighting environment, whether TO or Last Team Standing. Pretty much anything B tier or higher on this list is "good enough to be used consistently".

[jolly python]

Throwing axes should be in S tier

[hybrid fjord]

Throwing axes need a gold skin

[lone crystal]

Do you collect medieval weaponry?

[jolly python]

Agreed

[muted terrace]

I would if I had money. Medieval weapons are pretty rad.

[hybrid fjord]

I buy the affordable repros

[muted terrace]

Level 100 throwing axe skin.

[hybrid fjord]

I'm too poor to buy a crossbow from Todd but the one I want is from a German bloke who doesn't make to order.

Composite prod repro crossbow would cost more than an Albion Principe

[jolly python]

Leaked Level 100 Throwing Axe Skin

[void mulch]

i ordered the gavrilo principe and havent looked back

[hybrid fjord]

That sounds familiar, is that the cutter that costs a fraction of the price?

[void mulch]

yea its just above the Archduke

[harsh lake]

Does it have a screaming effect after every kill? Like it goes AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH?

[jolly python]

It's not a Warsong axe

[harsh lake]

Im curious i actually agree with almost all of this besides Dane Axe. What made it hit A tier instead of S tier?

Assuming reach?

[jolly python]

It's a flawed list. Throwing axes need to be in A tier.

[harsh lake]

Devs need to buff them

[jolly python]

Nah

[harsh lake]

Why say nah to your axes?

[jolly python]

They're too OP, you just need to use them right

[harsh lake]

I do use them right but they still need that buff 😭

[jolly python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-25423213

[muted terrace]

Streaming so I cant go too indepth but to tldr, it lacks a lot of valuable high level tools and reach.

It's just completely overtuned for what it does.

And also raider.

[harsh lake]

Yeah was pretty sure it was reach

[jolly python]

Man I miss Keeper

[harsh lake]

I do miss the entertainment lol

[jolly python]

Yeah this stuff just aint funny without him

[static finch]

Warhammer not in S is criminal

[harsh lake]

actually why is Maul B tier?

[static finch]

Maul is shit

[harsh lake]

Maul only weapon that can 1 hit almost all classes lol

[static finch]

Doesn’t mean it’s good, more often than not if they are paying attention your gonna get bullied + over health is common and the anti gank is horrible

[harsh lake]

Have you ever used the Maul cause its funny everything you typed is wrong lol

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-maul-light-saber-gif-14034779

[static finch]

It’s a great ganking weapon, horrible anti gank. You will get jabbed or stabbed lol

Almost every weapon is good at ganks so there’s no real point

Maul is Warhammer little brother

[harsh lake]

So you never played it lol

[static finch]

You never brought up a counter argument therefore you’re wrong

[jolly python]

ARCHER MEGATHREAD: TALK ABOUT ARCHERS HERE!

There we go

[harsh lake]

You never even answered my question if you ever played it thats why i havent gotten to that point lol

[static finch]

I have, how else would I talk about how it is bad without pervious experience? Do you want me to screenshot my xp level with the weapon 😂

[harsh lake]

and you let yourself get stabbed to death with it? You cant handle 1 v X situations with it? A weapon that can 2 shot everything?

Im curious lol

[static finch]

You what other weapon 2 shots every class? Warhammer, and guess what it’s way faster & the shield reduces stamina cost

I have a 5.3kd with 160k kills level 661 with only 34d of playtime. I know how to 1vX and maul is a horrible choice for that

You get disarmed with maul bye bye

Warhammer you keep it because of shield not being forced to use a knife, you can use ur mace if you get double disarmed

Maul is horrible weapon

Any overhealth also makes it so maul can’t one shot, overhealth is very common

[harsh lake]

Only class that it could 1 shot that wouldnt be able too after over heal is Knight other then that footmen and archer are still fucked lol

[hybrid fjord]

Cudgel

[static finch]

Only when you use the special which consumes half of your stamina

Warhammer special is faster and the follow up overhead is extremely quick to secure the kill

Maul is Warhammer’s little bro

[harsh lake]

Im curious cause i just used war hammer and it didnt 2 shot lol

with overhead

[static finch]

For knights 1 heavy overhead then either a overhead or a normal slash

[harsh lake]

You said everyclass and i used it against vanguard but Maul can do it

[static finch]

Vanguards require 2 heavy overheads to die at full health

[harsh lake]

Oh so you using all overheads which okay ez to counter lol.

[static finch]

You’re talking out your ass 🤣

[harsh lake]

Pretty sure you are as i am in FFA playing and actually testing it lol

[static finch]

Slash feint into overhead crouch accel

[harsh lake]

How ez it is for people to stay out of range of Warhammer is insane lol

[static finch]

Simple as that, kills 90% of players easily

[static finch]

Just feint

[harsh lake]

Which what everyone does lol

[static finch]

Nope

Ppl are dumb, I don’t play this game on a regular basis and shit on everyone in TO by just doing that

[harsh lake]

Every warhammer user either just overheads, slash feint into overhead or overhead feint into overhead. Nothing new

overhead feint into overhead is usually higher players usuage

[static finch]

Still doesn’t explain how maul is better 🤷‍♂️

You just use one shots because you can’t 1v1

[static finch]

Yes but too much effort for average TO player, slash feint works on 90% of ppl

[harsh lake]

Maul has better range and damage. You can easily mix up since you can do fast attacks but also do complete drags. War hammer doesnt have that range like Maul does to actually 1 v X.

Warhammer speeds also are more consistent when Maul isnt

[static finch]

Range doesn’t matter when you can slash feint for distance, I’d just jab you if you tried dragging

[harsh lake]

By the time you reach me with that feint i already hit you for over half your health

[static finch]

Maybe in your dreams

[hybrid fjord]

I've already flung poop at both of you

[harsh lake]

Cause you need to rely on that feint to reach me lol

[quasi sundial]

poop does 30 damage

[static finch]

Not really that’s if your backstepping like a coward but again I could just wait to counter you, then face hug and you can’t do anything

[hybrid fjord]

The horse had a large bowel movement

[static finch]

Please get good at high level duels before you talk

[hybrid fjord]

I also assume theres a lot of horses from the piles all over the maps

[harsh lake]

Thats all you need to do to stay out of range is back step and you cant reach me lol

[static finch]

Not true, once I’m in your face you can’t escape

[harsh lake]

Goofy man playing duels and thinks he knows how to 1 v X lol

[static finch]

I would love to see your stat profile. What’s your kd 1.5?

[harsh lake]

its in the discord

[static finch]

Link

[harsh lake]

give me sec

just taking another screen shot

[hybrid fjord]

That's one big ahhhh

[harsh lake]

who ahhhh?

[static finch]

Not at home this is mine screenshot , level 661 now

[hybrid fjord]

You obviously

[harsh lake]

Disgusting person playing Guardian lol

no Battle Cries? You aint no true warrior!

[static finch]

I use righteous knight, I’m usually spamming “prayer” instead

[harsh lake]

Chiv 2 is best Taunt game out there and nothing is better then war crying or taunting your oponents mid fight lol.

[solemn thorn]

Look in archer megathread. See warhammer.

[static finch]

Glorious isn’t it

If Warhammer was a girl I’d kiss her

[hybrid fjord]

She's smack you for trying

[solemn thorn]

I kiss my warhammer regardless

[harsh lake]

That warhammer would knock you out

[static finch]

Try not to say some sexist, level : hard

[harsh lake]

I say good luck on trying to get number 1 with War Hammer

[static finch]

I’m not trying, I just really only like using this weapon. Don’t have enough time for vidoes games anymore

If I have free time I’d rather play Minecraft

[harsh lake]

I mean you have more time then me and ive used every weapon.

[static finch]

I’ve been playing since release and games been out for 2 years so yes

[harsh lake]

Ive played it on a buddies console right after Tenosian Invasion and i got it on my PC like somewhere around July or August of last year.

[jolly python]

https://tenor.com/view/project-sekai-tsukasa-tenma-touya-aoyagi-saki-tenma-gif-24391385

Tenosia apparently ^

https://tenor.com/view/agatha-knights-chivalry-chivalry2-archer-gif-26199623

[harsh lake]

Let e guess your the girl in the middle

[harsh lake]

Bruh why they keep putting Ayla in timeout?

[jolly python]

Ayla wants to be banned prolly

[lone crystal]

Tenosians are idols?

[hybrid fjord]

Doubtful

[tiny vessel]

By using stabs and overheads on people my teammates are already fighting

[thorny summit]

It's slash is also extremely fast on release so people try to gamble it and fail

[lone crystal]

I could never really get it to work. Is it better for ganking?

[thorny summit]

Not really, it's fast so you can get some quick interrupts but it just doesn't do enough damage to reliably 1vX

[lone crystal]

Hm, I guess it’ll just take some time to get used to. I could just be a rat and focus on running around and ganking enemies myself

[halcyon steeple]

Hi guys and gals

[jolly python]

hey girl

[harsh lake]

stop getting timed out lol

[halcyon steeple]

I'll try

[jolly python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440328250112344064/1127684792805240922/caption.gif

[void mulch]

i honestly cant wait for auto aim nerf

[halcyon steeple]

Same I imagine it's probably not as impactful as it sounds though

[lone crystal]

Was the nerf not part of the playtest for the new update?

[halcyon steeple]

Pretty sure it was but it was only players on epic and I doubt any of them used a controller

In fact I don't even know if console aim assist is at all different from pc with a gamepad aim assist

[jolly python]

The playtest was only up for like a few hours and it was at a bad time imo

Like it should have been up in the evening when people would be home from work

[lone crystal]

Damn, guess we have to wait and see until…August?

[void mulch]

its going to be impactful

since it was noticeably different when it was implemented in its current iteration

[harsh lake]

Honestly i think the only thing thats happening is preventing auto aim from moving onto targets. The rest of the notes were talking about something that moved the arrow in the beginning but doesnt really do too much to impact anything regardless.

[lone crystal]

Y’all think the anti-archer gang is gonna tone down their “anti-archerness” after this update?

[harsh lake]

No cause the trail will still exist and they will say it still homes

when it doesnt

Until archers dont exist is when people will stop talking about them lol

[void mulch]

IE: my body is at present a literal arrow magnet

this change will absolutely be felt, in particular by archers that are getting smoked by other archers

i saw u delete that message btw

l o l

[jolly python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440328250112344064/1127686454991134871/caption.gif

[void mulch]

you should not have said the n word as u did

[jolly python]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

Now that's a blatant lie

[void mulch]

if it was blatant u would prove me wrong

mods, please arrest this racist

[jolly python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514267055441051649/1131670921925644328/mirror-right.gif?width=901&height=676

[static finch]

Anything that oppresses archers I am down for

[solemn thorn]

I can't believe the guy who invented archery would intentionally ruin all of our lives

[steel osprey]

A golf swing

[vocal shell]

it won't. That's the main component of auto aim which is being kept, the aimbot.
Bullet magnetism, the movement of projectiles and shots from off target onto a target is what is being addressed based on the wording.

[hybrid fjord]

The main complaint from aim assist isn't the tracking, it's the projectiles redirecting after being loosed that home in on people like it's the Shrine of Armana.

It's compensating for the controllers and the fact the projectiles in game fly like utter dogshit.

[harsh lake]

Yeah it doesnt home, its just minor influence in the beginning and even then it doesnt do much. In the end wait till patch comes out, everyone is still going to complain cause they will think it was a big homing issue when it wasnt and see there really isnt any change.

Trail glitch will still exist so people will think its homing still too

[hybrid fjord]

Indeed

[void mulch]

youre underestimating the value of the release direction changing imo

in particular over distance

[wheat jetty]

It won't make a difference up close, the initial tracking aim assist is more important close range

Further away magnetism becomes more important than initial direction

Arrows are basically hitscan up close

[harsh lake]

How so cause again it doesnt consider distance and speed. Your missing your shots a lot cause of it. In the other archer thread it was even explained this hinders your long range engagments

[void mulch]

how is it hindering long range engagements

[harsh lake]

" Doesnt Consider Distance and Speed " It shoots at target, not where target will be when arrow arrives.

[void mulch]

yeah i hear you

thats not an answer

[harsh lake]

How is that not an answer? lol thats what happens

I explained how it hinders long range engagements. Take your long bow shoot 50 meters out at target that is moving and you will see you need to account for his movement along with distance cause your arrow is going behind the person.

[void mulch]

*that is moving

thats an important distinction

[harsh lake]

So your saying people are not moving in the game and are constantly still?

[void mulch]

the only movement it has to account for is really lateral movement

so if youre shooting at somebody thats coming towards you or away from you

theres no real impact

[harsh lake]

There wouldnt be an impact regardless of having aim assist if they moving towards you and not moving lateral lol.

[void mulch]

how

it means you dont even have to be nearly as accurate with trying to aim

idk about yall but i try to shoot for the easier targets more often than not

so if somebody is moving laterally to me or serpentine they automatically get a low priority unless theyre carrying a petard et al

actualy nevermind

[harsh lake]

wym how? If someone is moving in a straight line towards you and not moving lateral then its sad for even the lowest skill player to miss that shot. Most your time as archer in game if your shooting from distance they are moving lateral as you want to shoot freely without hitting teammates meaning your on the sides. Even when someone decides to go straight then move left to right to throw off your aim even aim assist doesnt account for that and will make you miss 90% of the time.

[void mulch]

that its sad is irrelevant it means you can just effectively blindfire while having your bow be more degrees away from target than it should

but forget i said anything- you are correct and i am wrong and you win

i was mistaken to even put my minimal brain capacity into this 😦

[harsh lake]

So your telling me you would miss shots without aim assist when someone is going straight line towards you?

[void mulch]

im telling you id spend a lot less time and effort aiming them if i knew theyd move a few degrees to the side on their own, thats a fact

but youre correct and im wrong dont worry about it

[wheat jetty]

Rather than it being a hiderance, magnetism assist just has no effect at this range

Idk the exact range maybe 20 meters and closer? It has an effect

The way the maps are set up most of the fights are happening within that radius unless an archer wants to be really far away which is a choice

[harsh lake]

20 meters is close and thats not really where an Archer should be at all. There are some points on maps where they have no choice on it making them ez targets.

[wheat jetty]

It's significantly further than any other class can have a meaningful impact at

[harsh lake]

Dont underestimate the mighty Raider, Skirmisher and Ambusher lol

[wheat jetty]

Fair

[vocal shell]

the two other archer subclasses and the class with a javelin which throws faster

[harsh lake]

Well i will say TO probably doesnt have to deal with that so much as people tend to hold on to their weapons in TO then in FFA. FFA you get weapons flying everywhere. I can probably even do a montage of me dying over a 5000 times too thrown shields, Dane Axes, Exe Axe, Swords, Knives etc lol

[vocal shell]

dane axe still has its projectile flinch too

[harsh lake]

And hurts so badly

[vocal shell]

projectile flinch should just not exist in the game

would be better that way

[wheat jetty]

Ffa is because people are dieing and respawning close to fights, with no friendlies to worry about hitting. Every respawn brings you in front of two people fighting who are both targets and you have fresh kit to toss

The design of the ffa maps basically incentivises spamming throw

[harsh lake]

I actually been talking about that and people do agree on this to get rid of it unless thrown objects like a Barrel.

[harsh lake]

FFA perfect mode for perfect Chaos. Absolutely beautiful and fun

[wheat jetty]

If there was more stuff in the way there is less throwing. Think wardenglade vs Courtyard

I bet Courtyard is much less throwing chaos

Did u do the ffa rat tourney

[harsh lake]

Kind of. I would say the big reason for the difference is you get the spawn timer glitch more on Courtyard then Warden Glade.

[wheat jetty]

I played one round after I got out of my other event. It was fun but the throwing was REALLY bad

[harsh lake]

The first one i did but i was not available for the second sadly.

[wheat jetty]

I think that's becuase the only map was wardenglade

[harsh lake]

Yeah Raider is a big thing in FFA. Having 2 dane axes, 1 to throw and the other to do melee. Which honestly i am shocked people dont do it too much in TO either.

[wheat jetty]

I guess also people just really wanted to win so they were trying to be cheeky but as usual GS vanguard and poleman took most of the top spots

[vocal shell]

unblockables put you into a stagger state and not just a flinch state which is important because stagger lasts longer than flinch by a substantial amount

so they're also just different classifications entirely

[wheat jetty]

I was doing 1 dane 1 Messer for a bit but honestly the sprintcharge gs feels so good I went right back

[harsh lake]

I used Maul and i came in top 10 for first Tournament but that became really a mental exhaustion since it was 7 rounds of Fighting Pit lol.

[wheat jetty]

Damn

Yeah I was like 5th spot the one round I played and I was like nope that's enough for me

Didn't matter anyway I missed the first two maps

[vocal shell]

I just don't enjoy ffa because the spawns are so bad they make mge spawns in tf2 look good and there's more projectiles around than I have brain cells left to count them

[harsh lake]

Forgot about them being different

[vocal shell]

I like the chaotic fights themselves though

[wheat jetty]

It depends which lobby you get. Most people are on javelin if they do play archer so it's reactable and blockable

[harsh lake]

The issue is, there isnt much they can do about spawns. As people honestly do complain about taking a bit to get into fights. Especially for Warden Glade and Courtyard.

[wheat jetty]

Ffa is a lot of fun and the projectiles aren't so bad if you position in a way so back isn't to spawns

[harsh lake]

Honestly i camp spawns to get those big waves of people doing 1 v X the whole time. I get bored just doing 1 v 1 fights lol.

Like times i actually dont win in FFA and im either 2nd or 3rd. I have a bigger score then 1st place winner cause of my multikill streaks

[wheat jetty]

I usually travel between fights or drag my 1v1 partner over to another fight if they aren't a noob who melts instantly

[wheat jetty]

2nd or third??? Couldn't relate 😤😤😤

😏 😏 😏

I was in playing FFA the other day and someone was saying "katars don't suck, AHHHHH won a FFA lobby the other day with them" btw

[harsh lake]

FFA Tournament you cant do that. Times i had the 1 v 1 i ended up leaving it cause i was falling behind. It happened against Randy, Dave, and someone else id have too look at the scoreboard that we spent over a minute 1 v 1 to where i just took off in the middle of it lol.

[wheat jetty]

NOT proof that katars don't suck at 1vX haha. They do enough damage to get by but not having flinch is terrible for teamfighting

[harsh lake]

I have proof of winning with Katars even before Stam buff in FFA

[wheat jetty]

Yeah me and Dave ignored eachother because we knew the duel wasn't worth it. I mean straight up no words said walked past and went elsewhere. Randy and I have a little rivalry thing though so of course we had to fight

[harsh lake]

i even went 27 and 0 in 1 match in FFA with them

[wheat jetty]

Well you're just good at the game was what I was trying to argue to the dude

It's not proof that katars aren't a terrible weapon

[harsh lake]

Honestly I laughed cause i got on after the Tournament was over and i showed up Cav saying he was lucky i wasnt there or he wouldnt of won lol

[wheat jetty]

I think Caz won purely out of proper mindset

Everyone else was running at their friends trying to fuck with them and Caz kept his eyes on being a rat

[vocal shell]

the katars have amazing time to kill if you actually get to hit someone. It's just a matter of everything else wrong with them, so if someone isn't good enough for you to have to deal with the bad parts of katar you can absolutely smash

if a whole lobby isn't... heh

[harsh lake]

They arent and are at the sametime. They are honestly really bad in a 1 v X fight but 1 v 1 they can shine as long as you aint missing

[vocal shell]

but that's why katars are a bad weapon, their ceiling hits hard

also wish their hitboxes/tracers would be more consistent, but perhaps they're actually fine on lan servers and the problem is the horrendous state of the game itself

I look forward to seeing how they change when we try 60 tick on a good quality server

self-hostable servers are going to unlock so much of interest

[harsh lake]

Its the game itself as there is so much proof in the Katar thread that if the game wasnt so garbage then they would hit constantly. Its a real big Sync issue and its just incredibly bad that its at the point where people are preferring to play Mordhau

[vocal shell]

that's honestly what I was thinking because there were times where I was hitting with them like crazy and it genuinely felt so good. The 60 kill game I got with katars in 40p was like that.

of course, that same game had a lot of situations which weren't like that, but the frequency was higher because of the lower playercount causing less server strain

[harsh lake]

I was talking to Rabbit and Caz about it. I have a clip that shows Rabbits swings were going through me not registering but on his clip it shows his swings arent even close to me.

If your in the Fighting Pit Discord i can link you the video in the clip section

[vocal shell]

just in tg, some of the clan discords, and ziggy and stridah's discords

[surreal jacinth]

Kinda a garbage argument homi

[wheat jetty]

I can agree there they are really good in 1v1s

[wheat jetty]

What is your point, besides to show up and troll

I'm sure you didn't actually read anything we talked about, so you have no idea what you're responding to

[surreal jacinth]

@wheat jetty gotta give them max range homi. I have no problem with aim assistant as is

[harsh lake]

Even forgetting Raider, Skirmisher and Ambusher his argument was still technically valid

But i probably say Ambusher is the most threatening out of the 3

[surreal jacinth]

Archers are perfect as is imo. It's an easy class for console fps player to hop in on a free weekend.

[harsh lake]

Thats not what he was talking about what you responded too. We were discussing the Aim Assist.

[surreal jacinth]

Make the game feel more realistic when I see some giga Chad get sniped by some lowly lvl 10 archer.

Aim assistant is only on controller correct? @harsh lake

[wheat jetty]

That's likely becuase you're not good enough at the game yet to notice how the aim assist impacts gameplay

You will get there at some point, but it won't matter because aim assist is nerfed as of this patch

[surreal jacinth]

@wheat jetty how much play time do I need to understand?

[wheat jetty]

I didn't say play time

[surreal jacinth]

@wheat jetty play time isn't reflected in a player abilities? This is basically a rhythm game.

[wheat jetty]

It is a animation matching / rhythm game

Playtime does impact player skill with a positive correlation

[surreal jacinth]

Ty homi

[wheat jetty]

Playtime correlates with but doesn't indicate player skill

Just like any game

[surreal jacinth]

@wheat jetty play any game for long enough you will be decent bro.

Calling my opinion trash because you think I lack skill is kinda garbage.

But funny

[harsh lake]

Not really as you can fool the system on PC that your using controller and give you aim assist. So technically yes it is but you can manipulate it on PC for keyboard and mouse.

[surreal jacinth]

You can trick a console to have aim assistant while using a mouse and keyboard

As well

[harsh lake]

Depending on the game cause i know you can do this but you cant on all games.

Idk if you can do it on Chiv 2

[surreal jacinth]

With some external hardware it's not hard

It wouldn't surprise me

[harsh lake]

Well you wouldnt really need to for Xbox as they integrated a system that allows you to do it.

But like i said it depends on the game too

[harsh lake]

Idk about that. I seen lvl 1000's that cant counter.

[surreal jacinth]

@harsh lake who?

That seem sus brother

[harsh lake]

I dont have exact names besides 1 person but i know that 1 person that only does 1 thing and really never took time to learn the game too much but only to mess around.

[halcyon steeple]

He's not wrong, if you're not actually trying to improve and thinking about what you did wrong you won't improve much

[vocal shell]

that absolutely isn't true. In TF2 we had some real freaks of nature. Minion, for example, managed sub-100 DPM on pyro in a highlander lobby and several years later is not really better now in spite of having fairly wide connections in the comp scene and every opportunity to get better in a challenging environment.

[surreal jacinth]

@vocal shell he must be challenged brother. Still playing tf2

[vocal shell]

plenty of level 500+ players in TO who are less challenging to fight than ps5 noobs. I don't remember their names because they weren't relevant to me that they're in the lobby

[wheat jetty]

I didn't call your opinion trash. I said you're not that good at the game.

[wheat jetty]

I was really just responding in kind to you coming out of nowhere and saying my argument was garbage without knowing what I was even talking about

[surreal jacinth]

@wheat jetty this might be true

I read what you said

[wheat jetty]

Every opinion is valuable imo

Even that of noobs

[surreal jacinth]

@wheat jetty 😘

[wheat jetty]

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[surreal jacinth]

Thanks dad

Kiss on the lips Tom Brady style?

[wheat jetty]

Most of the playerbase is noobs so honestly noobs opinions are more important

[harsh lake]

I mean idk about that. I ran into people in this discord that said takedown gives more points then kills even though takedowns are 50 points and kills are 100 points. Also no they were really dead serious on this.

[surreal jacinth]

I feel as if this game is becoming less attractive to new players

[wheat jetty]

That lack of understanding shows that the game doesn't provide enough information for new players. The tutorial doesn't tell you how score values work

Therefor it's a valuable opinion if not misguided. Torn Banner should put in more work in onboarding for new players

[vocal shell]

kills are 50 points, takedowns are 50 points. First knockdown on a life is 50 points and counts as a "kill", and you can't get a kill without a takedown(participation credit upon enemy player death) unless the game bugs, a specific probably way too long time threshold is crossed(if it exists it's way too long or shouldn't exist) and the takedown credit expires, or the player you killed but didn't take down leaves the game.

[harsh lake]

I mean it gives information when you kill someone compared to getting an assist which in this game its called takedown

[wheat jetty]

Takedown and kill is confusing. Kills should be when someone dies not gets knocked down

But it's backwards, oh well

[vocal shell]

yeah, all the instances where someone was previously picked up and you get a takedown credit but not kill credit are weird

[harsh lake]

What i mean by kill i mean they dont get downed and you get the 100 points.

[vocal shell]

that's just you getting simultaneous kill and takedown credit and reflects as such on the board

[harsh lake]

i know wym on that cause if they are downed you get 50 points for kill

[harsh lake]

It is goofy scoring

[vocal shell]

agreed

the fact that I had to type that much to explain it is proof that it's too much

should be:
takedowns are knockdowns and assist credits, you can only knock down a player once per life for credit
kills are final blows

fuck it I'll make a thread rq

[harsh lake]

Honestly i feel like the more threads are opened for devs to read, the more crazy they become with updates breaking the game more

[wheat jetty]

Try to uh work on spacing out your wording and argument structure. Sometimes you can be a bit wordy and it's hard to digest your point when you make posts 🤣

[hybrid fjord]

I find it weird when damaging people the most and landing the final hit only to get a takedown and not a kill.

[void mulch]

tbf if i beat the shit out of somebody within an inch of their life and then you come finish them off

i didnt kill them, you did

you disgusting murderer

[hybrid fjord]

[solemn thorn]

archer more like smellcher (???) gottem

[halcyon steeple]

😭

[steel osprey]

hehe

[void mulch]

thats cool that she plays archer just like i do

jumping around pew pewing

[neat rover]

Archers are ok I guess

[jolly python]

Oh god!

[jolly python]

Nemnalilumi beni uelona incorobouido nelnmanbe gnilou apeni
Temeuelle lexsete si

[harsh lake]

thats hot

[tiny vessel]

archers are even better when they've got their backs turned away from a Vanguard with a stolen falchion on one hand and a spicy chicken in another.

[jolly python]

Archers win

[halcyon steeple]

No

We all lose

[void mulch]

https://imgur.com/a/EgmVvtO https://imgur.com/a/Hoo8UD3

[hybrid fjord]

All chiv players lose*

[torn sentinel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/902017291309416478/1124907356841578576/caption.gif

[static finch]

Skirmishers only archer class that has my respect because that class is dogshit 😂

[steel osprey]

Pfft

[tight kelp]

nah jav is just a worse 1h spear

[steel osprey]

Skirmishers is a scam, it tricks you into thinking that you can do the objective by getting closer so the enemy team can kill you easier

[tight kelp]

skirmisher gets falchion too no?

[hybrid fjord]

Yes

[tiny vessel]

I still think they need a boost to enable one-hit-headshotting archers.

[lone crystal]

Skirmisher is hilarious. You’re an “archer” forced to play close, then get 1 tapped by an actual archer

[hybrid fjord]

Or two from the rest of the normal archers

[sharp patio]

you out of all people should know crossbowmen one tap skirmishers

[hybrid fjord]

Only on headshots

Although they're not hard to pick off unless they know you're shooting them.

[halcyon steeple]

That tiny shield is actually quite the effective forcefield when raised

[hybrid fjord]

Shields cover a stupid amount of radius

[halcyon steeple]

I don't really have a problem with it it's just very gamey

And lacking clarity at times

[hybrid fjord]

That's a lot of chivalry lol

[lone crystal]

Skirmisher shield is pretty trash tho. They can hold block but actual archers will either hold, target switch, or wait for the frontline to engage for clear shots.

Skirm should just be moved to be a vanguard subclass with readjusted numbers

[hybrid fjord]

That's what I said

[halcyon steeple]

The class doesn't need moved it should just not count towards archer limit

[hybrid fjord]

Vanguard should get the spear/axe throwing class and its own sword n board class

[lone crystal]

I don’t think changes with archer limit will change how trash skirm is. More ppl might play it, but it’ll still be questionable pick

[halcyon steeple]

Just needs health/stam tweaks and throwing axe buff

[hybrid fjord]

Yeah but so do all archers

[lone crystal]

I don’t know about all archers, but the regular bow needs some love too

[hybrid fjord]

Oh, to clarify I meant archer needed a buff to health/stamina, not the weapons per se.

[hybrid fjord]

Woot I hit #96 crossbow

[lone crystal]

Nice, archers stay winning

[jolly python]

Dude could be blocking and I hit his clearly exposed side with a throwing axe yet it just bounces off

[hybrid fjord]

The block angle is wide

[void mulch]

very nice, ill probably never hit that high on a ranged weapon lmao. i am top 20 for knifing mother fuckers tho

[hybrid fjord]

God damn

[void mulch]

yeah i think it has a lot to do with few people using knife