PSA - This game is dying at a record pace

[edgy ether]

i know

i know its not gaslighting

Actually if I wanted to I could insist that it is gaslighting until you start to doubt whether or not you ever knew what gaslighting was

and that would be gaslighting

I must away.

[mental quiver]

Their name is Steve Piggot

[edgy ether]

@wary umbra Hey whats up

[cursive elm]

But guys they are giving us a skin for the waraxe..... and a knife... don't worry that's all going to fix the game and all the problems... oh oh don't forget 1 new map.... there should be monthly skin drops and tri monthly map drops period on a schedule... they need to add flail and querter staff aka Brandistock. They need crossplay parties and proxy chat immediately...

[wary umbra]

Hi

[arctic dawn]

We need this -> https://discord.com/channels/209841695850889226/1023964327641874532

fixing bugs and that would be enough to bring again lot of people, later continue adding maps and customization

[livid harness]

Since he took over TB when the other co founder left, I seen nothing but inconsistencies and money grabs. He owes everything to the community that crowd funded after AOC and has been involved in a few ethical issues. Go ahead and Google his name and reddit .
For such a small community it's crazy to hear consistent concerns. Personally I think he's the biggest issue in leadership when it comes to TB. As he is owner he should automatically take 100% accountability but he won't. He never cared or engaged those who helped make the game a success. He spent more time looking for quick bucks then engaging chiv community for help even tho we were always the ones offering help. When a game develope company pisses off its own player base so much that they literally made mordhau cause he said "if you don't like it do it yourself" then mordhau ended chiv1 for good.

[silk vortex]

Has there been any response by TB to this thread?

[brisk onyx]

Mordhau turned out to be just as bad as Chiv 2, with some of the devs being addicts

[livid harness]

I'm not one to care about which is better. Personally I dislike torn banner yet still play chiv. It's just the idea that a studio would piss off a player base so much they motivated them to make a game that ended up being part of the reason why chiv1 died. And still to this day TBS acts like their players opinions don't matter.

[brisk onyx]

It's on more than just leadership's side

[gritty finch]

😭

[silk vortex]

People thought steam release was gonna save this game

I was one of them

[cursive jay]

WOW. So... Ziggy. I understand the sentiment in your post and all of the frustrations as I, like you, have also given this game my everything since 2020. I love this game and don't want it to go anywhere. The way you worded your post was honestly just not the best way to get your message across, I'm just speaking honestly to you, man to man. I had to skip over some of the cringe bits to really understand what you were trying to say, which was more inferenced than implied.

There is no real point of discussion that's listed though. This entire thread is exactly as it's tagged, a Rage Room. I can, without a doubt, guarantee you that this thread will not see a response outside of Connects for these reasons. Why would they respond to this?

And Ziggy, you know better than most people in the general public that TB does indeed hear feedback and is constantly iterating updates. In every game, everyone wishes that the pace and quality of the updates was faster and better, that's the nature of gamers. If they're not bitching about something, then the game is dead.

TB does hear these concerns, the ones legitimately listed in other posts, and does of course discuss them. They go to work every day to discuss, you guessed it, Chiv. It's not feasible to give updates to the community about every internal discussion for a multitude of different reasons. And Ziggy, as you can recall, that approach was attempted at launch, and was quickly realized to be a losing battle.

What you guys want is more transparency, that's achievable. But you're not going to get "a response from TB" on this thread by continuing to bitch about the game. You can try to prove me wrong though. @zenith kestrel

[brisk onyx]

@cursive jay

[cursive jay]

cool graph thanks for tagging me

[brisk onyx]

If that doesn't show that the game is dieing I don't know how to break it to you the steam playerbase is leaving

God knows of the epic Xbox or playstation playerbase

[cursive jay]

Carry on though. I don't know who you are nor do I really care and this response wasn't really designated for you anyway

[brisk onyx]

I apologize, I didnt mean to be rude in anyway

[cursive jay]

Also, last thing Zig, and I'm putting all of this out here for the community to see as opposed to DM'ing you all of this directly.

Encouraging the community to dislike a post from the community manager only furthers their distance from said community. Again, you know this.

[hollow herald]

what do you think of this suggestion? I believe it alleviates responsibility from the community manager by managing a QnA rather than a devstream (half the time)

the qnas will also make the community feel a lot better

because the dev streams have been less than satisfactory

[cursive jay]

This is the thing, the questions that everyone wants answered don't have answers yet. There are only so many ways that you can say, "we will give you more details about it when it's done being internally discussed, tested, and pushed into a testing build."

The community manager, she has a name, Jen, doesn't control when and what content she can bring you, something that is sorely missed

[hollow herald]

I understand this completely. But it has been over like 14 months

to say there is no answer yet is simply not enough. if it is technical limitations, people want specifics

don't you feel this is fair?

[cursive jay]

No because not every thing is created equally. Not everything (even within the same department) can be discussed. Saying "yes we can talk about the specifics of this" and "no we cannot talk about this similar thing yet" is a recipe for disaster.

[hollow herald]

respectfully, I disagree. If people were given more information as to why they cannot be implemented at this time, they would be (somewhat) satisfied compared to how they are now. I've seen so many competitive and casual players alike quit within the last few months just because of their unwillingness to respond to the criticism of their lack of communication in a timely manner

[cursive jay]

What you want is a highly-detailed Q&A to answer your every question infallibly, that's never happening. That's not how agile game design works and never will

[hollow herald]

player retention sucks, content is slow, and the one thing that we could argue Torn Banner actually has control over (the communication with the players) is terrible

[hollow herald]

unfortunately that is the only thing that will appease people at the moment, unless they feel they would like to offer that information without being asked

[cursive jay]

You being given a reason for something not making it into the game doesn't change the outcome, it only amplifies your voice about something that has already been decided for x,y, and z reasons

[hollow herald]

True, but the players want to feel acknowledged, so what's wrong with that?

They are leaving for not feeling acknowledged, at least a lot of them are

[prisma terrace]

Quite the pickle huh

[cursive jay]

No, that's gamers lol

Everyone wants the inside scoop, wouldn't it be nice

that's not how games work

[hollow herald]

One of the most reacted to threads on this discord forum is the best player in the game announcing his leaving of the game (and other players followed him)

[hollow herald]

it can work like that simply. not easily, but simply

[cursive jay]

this conversation is going nowhere, I promise you. I'm out, tag me in something constructive. It was mainly me talking to ziggy and the community writ large

[hollow herald]

even in this genre other developers have shown more transparency

[cursive jay]

The OP made is very clear that it is not that easy

🙂

You don't get the inside scoop if you don't work for Torn Banner.

Not how it works

Not how it works for any game

[hollow herald]

We don't need the inside scoop, but we need understandable reasons as to why things are going the way they are

if there are technical limitations, so be it. but we wanna know

[prisma terrace]

I think it's because there just isn't shit being said lop

[prisma terrace]

Yeah exactly

Its obv. never gonna be easy to get what we want with knowing every little detail why such and such aint happening

[hollow herald]

There's a reason this is one of the most liked threads. People are not happy

Common sense that you make people happy, or at least happy enough to where they don't leave

[prisma terrace]

But its more so the point that there just isn't anything being said atm

[hollow herald]

yep radio silence

[prisma terrace]

I mean rn if you scan the channel i think the only response I saw from tb about something (at least today) was moon moon explaining about the vo's sounding odd to someobody

[cursive jay]

I encourage you to ask the questions you want answered in a constructive manner so that people at TB read them

[prisma terrace]

I agree

[cursive jay]

This post only makes the radio silence more deafening, I promise you

[prisma terrace]

I think the community itself should round up questions and refine them to easier to answer/state questions

[cursive jay]

Ziggy doesn't need to reply because he knows what I said is true. You can't claim to be "fighting the good fight" while doing it dirty

[prisma terrace]

Although as most of whats been asked is eaiser said than done lol

I think the big few questions should be grabbed and then work it down to easier to ask versions.

Instead of just every little question/complaint being thrown at TB like a librarian would throw books at you when she has a mental breakdown.

👌

[hollow herald]

I never promote being rude or unconstructive because it accomplishes nothing but Torn Banner legitimately needs to acknowledge all these dudes' anger because if they don't they're going to lose the little player base they have left. I am aware that answering many of the questions people have won't technically change anything, but that reassurance is enough to keep them at bay. For example, they gave a progress update on Crossplay parties along with examples of how the feature would function when it eventually does release. This appeased the fans and doing something similar for private servers would most certainly earn them good faith. There does have to be some emotional intelligence in this because people are quitting right now because of the lack of communication.

Also, I'm not saying they have to spill their guts on every little technical endeavor, but I am saying that you can't go over a full year with zero progress updates or acknowledgement whatsoever. Especially in the gaming industry, where things move quickly and other options come and go all the time

Dark and Darker is nothing like Chivalry at all but simply by virtue of being a first person game with melee the entirety of the Chivalry clan community jumped ship for the whole weekend. Was actually kind of sad especially with how unfinished that game is

[cursive jay]

We're talking about a few different things now, the last of them being the natural lifecycle of any one given game, genre, or more generally, gamer.

I don't have the mental space right now to respond to everything you just wrote, albeit very constructively, but the tl;dr:

I hear you 100%

But some updates about updates aren't ready just yet

And when they are ready, hopefully those players come back.

And I encourage you (and everyone/anyone else that actually cares about this game and wans to see it succeed) to do more of that, Dave, of what you just did

[prisma terrace]

Fr boutta recreate the breach of baudwyn irl because no update 😠

[hollow herald]

I would never riot to find the community manager because I know that they have no say in what they get to tell us

[zenith kestrel]

They'll respond to it because its the highest rated thing in their game feedback forum.

Or at least take notice.

[cursive jay]

They will not respond to it.

[zenith kestrel]

And this is in like, what, two days?

[hollow herald]

I'm sure they've noticed every single thread. They even look at the ones about voice acting

So I'm sure they see this one

[zenith kestrel]

You mean to tell me a thread thats been up for two days that now has more upvotes than anything else, isn't going to get their attention?

[cursive jay]

Get their attention?

[zenith kestrel]

They need a bucket of freezing cold water in the face.

They need to open their eyes.

[hollow herald]

They already see everything, ziggy

[cursive jay]

You're quite proud of your shitpost I see

[zenith kestrel]

And no, I don't think im distancing myself from the community and no this isnt a shitpost.

Infact youre, so far, the only person ive seen have any issue with this.

[hollow herald]

They're not dumb. They purposefully choose not to answer because they don't feel that they have an answer worth saying yet

[cursive jay]

It had just recently come to my attention

As I don't frequent this discord

[zenith kestrel]

Just like most of the veterans dont frequent the game anymore.

[cursive jay]

It's not an MMORPG sir

[hollow herald]

It's also worth noting that it's not just veterans or hardcore players that continue to leave, it's casual players too

I've seen it first hand because I play the game casually just as much as I do competitively

[zenith kestrel]

I'm not sure why you have your bias, but I really think you need to back up and really ask yourself. Are we really ALL shitposting and being overly critical and angry?

All of us?

Or are you coming in with a pro-TBS bias.

[cursive jay]

Ziggy. Re-read what I said. Before we continue off the wrong path here

I have never had any problem with you personally and have made sure to reach out to be as inclusive to you as possible on all accounts

I do not wish to find a problem with each other tonight nor in the future

What I am saying is that what you are saying, in this post, in the OP, is falling on deaf ears because of the tone.

[zenith kestrel]

You've called my post a shitpost, you've said that I'm distancing myself from the community and asking for basic communication is a fools errand.

[cursive jay]

Although I share your frustrations and thus understand you

[zenith kestrel]

We aren't asking for upmost transparency, but they literally don't say anything.

[cursive jay]

I'm confused about that. Distancing yourself from the community? What.

[zenith kestrel]

Ill go up and fetch it since you seem to have forgotten what youve typed.

[cursive jay]

Well you have been shitposting on this post, but your OP was not a shitpost which is why I responded to you

[cursive jay]

Please, and I mean that non-sarcastically

[hollow herald]

I do feel that the majority of people that are speaking out against torn banner are doing so in a very blunt, unprofessional manner but I still feel that they deserve to be acknowledged. Simply because this anger and disgruntled user base is the result of their own actions. That doesn't justify their behavior, but it's a good reason as to why they should just acknowledge them regardless

[zenith kestrel]

Also, last thing Zig, and I'm putting all of this out here for the community to see as opposed to DM'ing you all of this directly.

Encouraging the community to dislike a post from the community manager only furthers their distance from said community. Again, you know this.
Apologies, im dyslexic.

[cursive jay]

ah

[zenith kestrel]

My brain scrambled that last sentence a bit.

Apologies.

[cursive jay]

it's okay but yeah, never implied that either nor do I feel that so I just wanted to clarify that

[zenith kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/empty-brain-loading-gif-20731521

[cursive jay]

Yes exactly, this is what I mean by shitposting

Not the OP, this main post, specifically

[hollow herald]

I don't know what shitposting means in this context. Can you just explain what you mean?

[zenith kestrel]

Anyway, to go back to the communication thing, there is a difference between not giving more than standard communication and literally ignoring problems until they're so big that it cannot be ignored.

They will ignore anything that isnt "the game is literally not working at all"

on a mass scale

[cursive jay]

Okay but just reading between the lines here a bit

[hollow herald]

Yeah I can concur to a degree

[cursive jay]

Do you think that they do not see these things? or just aren't communicating about them properly/enough

[hollow herald]

Just not communicating about them enough, or at all

[zenith kestrel]

If they actually did something about the issues within a year, then I would be a bit more empathetic.

[hollow herald]

I've actually argued many times as to why Jen is perfectly capable of her job and how she does a perfectly good job at what they want her to do. Like the dev streams and everything

[zenith kestrel]

I understand the sentiment about not answering until you have a good answer.

This doesnt apply if your game has problems for over a year and they havent been addressed or fixed.

[cursive jay]

So, more specifically (rightly so), the problem here is the pace at which the answers are available is an issue

[tender basin]

A post like this I would certainly personally respond to but idk

[zenith kestrel]

If you dont have a solution for a problem, at least tell us you know about the problem and keep us up to date, especially with problems that continue to get more severe.

Server instability has been noticed since the galencourt update.

[hollow herald]

I completely agree. People just want reassurance

[cursive jay]

Server degradation, you're referring to? Okay for sure.

[zenith kestrel]

Not JUST that

thats just the best example I have on hand

[hollow herald]

Remember how you said that they shouldn't talk on some topics but then not say anything on others? Why did they give us progress updates and information on cross play parties, but completely neglected private servers?

[cursive jay]

Well the more specific things like that we can nail down the quicker and easier the answers will be

[zenith kestrel]

We nailed them down when they showed up.

And we got no answer.

then we asked again and got no answer and now we are here.

[tender basin]

It’s been over a year lmfao

[cursive jay]

I cannot give you the answer that you want on that other than the standard "because things in business aren't final until they're in writing and in the public release branch"

Well we are here now, aren't we

[zenith kestrel]

This game is a bit beyond standard practices in its current state.

[cursive jay]

So we have server degradation and crossplay

[zenith kestrel]

Not giving bad information is important, but when your game is held together with duct tape and the duct tape is currently peeling off and the game is falling apart and it has no signs of improving, then all of those "dont give an answer until we are sure" and "things are not finalized" starts to go out the window.

At the very least, fucking damage control.

Somethin.

[hollow herald]

Yeah. You know how long an apology would go? In regards to not giving any information on private servers.

It would probably bring back quite a few people

[tender basin]

They’re just hoping it’ll go away somehow, @hollow herald made a great comparison to homework you let stack up lol

[cursive jay]

Very unpopular opinion here and it is somewhat tangential but does apply to the larger picture here, please bear with me:

[zenith kestrel]

People are "shitposting" because the community grows more and more bitter about the current treatment of the community, the neglect and the lack of answers and involvement.

[cursive jay]

Not everyone cares about the same things (i.e, private servers). Something that will satisfy one group will not satisfy everyone

[zenith kestrel]

Sure.

[teal current]

Just gonna throw this out here...

Previously we did not have the means to properly discuss specific feedback topics and issues in detail like we do now. A month ago, this conversation right here? Never would have happened on this Discord. Not to this scale.

I think they added this Discord feature not only because it's a new feature, but because they wanted to encourage discussion from us. Including the negative feedback. And it filters it out from the #🪓︱chivalry2 and #🍻︱general chatrooms, because #833739699205046394 was not made for Discussion.

We got this brand new feature and are suddenly expecting them to open up a floodgate of answers to us. I am in complete agreement that there is a list of major issues they're not addressing. I even posted some feedback for some of them. I can at least appreciate they opened up this avenue for us to speak our minds more directly and with more detail. It doesn't fix the issue, but it helps conceptualize the issues outside of a single Feedback post that people thumbs up or down.

[hollow herald]

This is perfectly understandable, but we're talking about the players who are left. Majority of them care about private servers

[zenith kestrel]

Now this argument doesnt apply to the rest of the game falling apart.

[cursive jay]

So the "why did you answer their question, but not mine then comes into place

[tender basin]

I can tell you he was right when he said this isn’t gonna go anywhere lol, he’s just trolling and TBS will not change lmao

[zenith kestrel]

People are not going to praise and thank Jen when most people dont even feel that Jen does her job.

[hollow herald]

It already is in place. Why did they answer questions about cross play parties but not private servers?

[cursive jay]

Okay so that's the other thing

[hollow herald]

So do we just acknowledge that they're inconsistent in their treatment of different issues the game faces?

I rather not.

[cursive jay]

I don't know how to do this without sounding like a shill, because I do not even know Jen, I have never had a full conversation with her about anything, Chiv-related or anything

[hollow herald]

She does her job perfectly, it's just her job in no way means acknowledging the communities questions. I am not even being sarcastic.

[cursive jay]

Okay so that's context. But I do not think that the way she was treated at the inception of this server is an environment that she would be readily willing to jump back into

[zenith kestrel]

I guess literally every other community manager I've ever seen has been going above and beyond.

Since I usually see CMs actually managing the community and being involved.

[hollow herald]

Torn banner has a very tight leash on her

[zenith kestrel]

In which, she is still below the average.

[tender basin]

I’d be more passionate to jump back in and prove everyone wrong personally

[cursive jay]

I've never seen a CM get trashed like her

[tender basin]

Again I guess I just do stuff differently

[cursive jay]

This was before the game was even launched

So...

[tender basin]

That’s what most people who get paid do…

[zenith kestrel]

Other than a few things here and there, I only see her on livestreams and announcing things. Nothing else.

[cursive jay]

I can assure you she doesn't get paid enough lol

[tender basin]

Good luck with this one guys

[hollow herald]

When it comes to the other slasher games their community managers are much more involved in active discussion with the community. So they are seen as more favorable. Torn banner seems to have a weird situation where they basically just ask her with running live streams and the discord, but they don't let her say anything to us.

[cursive jay]

Same, but do you think she's salaried to do two things and two things only or do you think that after the backlash she received that maybe she transitioned a little

Connect is now very active on this discord is he not?

[hollow herald]

Yes, but just like Jen he's not allowed to give any information

None of them are

[cursive jay]

This is about the nature of security when it comes to game development

I applaud TBS for locking things down as leaks, public and private, were happening

[hollow herald]

That's fine. Again, I don't have a problem with it. Obviously I would prefer the alternative, but I don't think it is an objective flaw

I do think though they have an obligation to eventually give information

And eventually should have been months ago. If not half a year ago

I just wouldn't want my fans waiting more than 6 months on news for any given feature

[tender basin]

I just want my money back

[hollow herald]

No matter how small or large

Because I know that making them wait that long makes them angry and bitter

[cursive jay]

what's your CashApp, you have to take a screenshot of you deleting your discord account on this server though

[tender basin]

Refunds through epic are terrible

[tender basin]

Well now that you said that I might have to raise the price a little

[zenith kestrel]

Dare I say, as a bit of an expert on the subject, leaks likely would not have happened if Torn Banner was a lot better towards their community. I know not everyone ever can be satisfied with game design, but when you're clearly doing a bad job at fixing bugs, providing content, taking feedback, balancing the existing content and communicating anything...

[cursive jay]

Lol very funny, I chuckled actually

[zenith kestrel]

The person who gave me information to leak was equally as unhappy with TBS.

[cursive jay]

I hear you there, but conversely they also happen when the community is managed differently and everyone is happy

They happen because people want to know what's next

That's not going to change

[zenith kestrel]

Leaks can generate hype, in that case.

[hollow herald]

You did not generate hype with that leak LMAO

[cursive jay]

Yes they can be used as marketing we are seeing it all the time now

[zenith kestrel]

But every leak that comes from TBS left people going "oh god damnit what the fuck is this", you know?

[hollow herald]

Yeah I feel you

[zenith kestrel]

Its not that leaks cant generate hype

its that everything being leaked is BAD NEWS

[hollow herald]

Everyone asks for A every single update and then they get B or C or D

[zenith kestrel]

because if it wasnt leaked, itd just be bad news later

[hollow herald]

Yeah, but that's an entirely separate issue. The idea that they're so detached from their fan base that they have no idea what we want even when we yell at them constantly

[cursive jay]

not getting into this convo

but that is not the actual sequence of events

I know you were giving a hypothetical

[hollow herald]

Different discussion

[zenith kestrel]

We hear you, the messer is too good, archers tearing down public lobbies, team stacking at an all time high... That's why we are adding in another longsword skin.

We have also nerfed the maul stab by 5 damage.

[hollow herald]

We hear you! You want Flail? Here's the Heavy Crossbow, and the Heavy Greatsword, and now...the Heavy Fists...

[cursive jay]

There's a new longsword skin?

[tender basin]

Well what’s more work, fixing team stacking, or tweaking damage numbers

[zenith kestrel]

Just an example, but probably.

It's still one of the most used weapons

[tender basin]

Just like what’s more work, having private servers, or 1 map and 1 weapon… what a coincidence that is

[hollow herald]

Well, as we always say it's not the same people working on those things

[cursive jay]

this is the problem with a Q&A

[hollow herald]

The idea is that they would commit to actually giving an answer that satisfies people

It'd be difficult, but that would be the goal of the q&a

[cursive jay]

it would be a one-time thing

if anything

[tender basin]

That actually makes it worse, why only 1 map and 1 weapon in 6 months, if they’re not working on private servers anyway…

[hollow herald]

I don't see why. Other developers are able to maintain them quite often, but I suggested a bi-weekly or monthly thing

[tender basin]

I want like 10 maps and 5 weapons

[cursive jay]

They don't have a smaller team with confidentiality in every department

TBS enjoys being able to have an agile game development environment

[hollow herald]

What do you mean by that?

[zenith kestrel]

Dark and Darker in its entirety (if you've been paying attention and seen everyone playing it) was made in about 8 months.

[cursive jay]

Even cosmetics and things are still confidential and non-public info until public release

[zenith kestrel]

Torn Banner cant get out more than 1 map and 1 weapon with no fixes and none of what weve asked after 6+?

[cursive jay]

The concept is good but the combat is not something that will be fixed even with another 8 months of development

[zenith kestrel]

You should understand what im trying to say.

Its not meant to be taken literally.

[cursive jay]

I do but

[hollow herald]

That's fine. They don't have to answer brain dead questions like "when's the next map coming out" but I see it as an obligation for them to answer "what is the progress of private servers and what issues are you facing with their implementation?"

Obviously ideally they would answer both to the best of their ability

[cursive jay]

So we have private servers, server degradation, and there was one more thing

someone please remind me

[hollow herald]

The list is too long to list, but I don't know

[tender basin]

Crossplay

[cursive jay]

crossplay

[zenith kestrel]

The game itself is just falling apart, you could add anything to the list

[tender basin]

😉

[cursive jay]

Well the "list" is "things to appease those who are not appeased right now"

until the update drops

[hollow herald]

They have handled cosplay perfectly fine to me and I have no issues with their approach. Maybe I could argue that they should be a little bit more transparent on the exact technical issues they're facing, but I do not think it's necessary and I am fully supportive of how they are going with it so far

If private servers were handled in the exact same way I would not be complaining

[cursive jay]

You know in life, just generally speaking:

sometimes not hearing back isn't a no

[hollow herald]

When there's a delay, they let us know that there's a delay. They let us know how progress on it is going well also showing us how it will function once it's implemented, and they talk about how sorry they are that they can't get it done at the moment

[cursive jay]

just saying of course very generally

[tender basin]

Yeah I don’t know if it’s bad for others but it’s been literally breaking for me when I play lately

[hollow herald]

Yeah, I feel like you know that I know that. But I'm talking about emotionally assuring your audience. I'm still here because I want to be, but many people aren't because they couldn't handle that

And I don't blame them.

They feel like they're not being acknowledged and that they're being neglected

[cursive jay]

Yes yes but like

even IF jen wanted to

she cannot comment on these things whenever she wants

[hollow herald]

I'm not blaming her

Like I said, I know that it's not in her job to talk to us. She would have already

[cursive jay]

its a decision-making process that takes time, not just a few gamer days, to get all squared away

[hollow herald]

I can completely understand this, but respectfully it does not take 15 months

[cursive jay]

No, but again

[tender basin]

This reminds of when that dude was saying why does TBS act like a AAA company when they’re not

[cursive jay]

What if they had released something idk 10 months ago

and it has then changed

since then

and would have required 3 or 4 more updates

[hollow herald]

If they cannot make a decision on how to properly transmit the information to their player base in 15 months, they will simply just face the consequences of that inefficiency as they have been, now that numerous people are leaving

[cursive jay]

that aren't public-information

I'm not here to argue on behalf of TBS, I'm just simply saying that things take time, and that sometimes hearing nothing is a good thing

Not always, but sometimes

[tender basin]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[hollow herald]

This is exactly what happened with crossplay parties, and I had no issue with it. They said that it would be coming in the summer, and then they told us that the future was delayed

Obviously I was not happy to hear the information, and it was a little bit silly of them to tell us it was delayed after the due date already came up, but at least they were vocal

[tender basin]

I put a better wink, I can tell ziggy didn’t like the other one

[cursive jay]

exxxxxxactly

[hollow herald]

What's your not understanding is that I don't think they are obligated to do anything further than this, I'm saying that this is their best course of action

All I'm asking them to do is replicate this process with all of their content features that were promised

It isn't significantly more difficult and it definitely is totally manageable

[cursive jay]

What you are not understanding is that even despite their non-obligation to, they aren't even inclined to because of the way the community has reacted to past info drops in the past

and have since made the decision, which you can go back and look at Jen saying, that moving forward they're going to keep decisions closer to home until they actually happen

because things in VGD change every day

uninstall + cope

[bitter seal]

💀

[hollow herald]

It's fine. I'll settle for monthly updates

Even if we got a progress update every 3 months, to line up with the content updates that would be ideal too

But to get nothing since the release of the game is simply preposterous

[teal current]

I'm holding out for them to release a hit anime to bring people back to the game like Cyberpunk

[hollow herald]

The game will be dead by the time the promised feature makes its way to the game, let alone it being discussed

[tender basin]

Personally I think once a company, especially a game studio, starts to garner ill will and negative feelings they have to work exponentially harder to get back in players good graces, maybe I am wrong though

[hollow herald]

Of course. They cannot possibly think this is going to go away

[cursive jay]

better content and more features is the best way to do that

not talking to gamers on their lunch breaks lol

[hollow herald]

If everyone is gone it may be too late. You can't just make a game that's good and hope for it to succeed. Mirage was great, still failed miserably

They even gave the game away for free and it still failed

[tender basin]

But they won’t do that either, 1 map and 1 weapon ain’t gonna cut it I’ll be bored with it in like an hour or 2

[hollow herald]

But I do agree. If they kept on working on it then kept on implementing the features that they promised and kept on making the game better for years to come, then people would come back

But we don't have to leave in the first place if torn banner does a better job at keeping us here

[hollow herald]

It is incredibly sad that the content updates are so lacking when it is their main strategy for player retention

They base everything off of their content updates and they just simply arent cutting it anymore

[tender basin]

And yes this is subjective and some people may get more time or fun with the new additions, but what’s not subjective is that if there was more content, those same people would have more to do as well

[hollow herald]

The playercounts don't think it's that subjective

[tender basin]

Tru

[cursive jay]

I am who I am and I have played less than 2hrs of the tenosia update

[hollow herald]

That's unfortunate. It was one of the better updates even with all its flaws

[cursive jay]

content updates don't help everyone, I enjoy minor gameplay tweaks that change my game

[cursive jay]

it's coming to 64P, and without horses lol

[hollow herald]

The queue system is another issue but that's a whole other topic.

They've made some very good minor changes. Like when they increased the stamina damage of chop and blunt weapons. Great change

That was actually a suggestion where they listened to us and implemented it. And it made the game better

[tender basin]

The fact I get almost all my information about updates from other players, even though I actively look for info is just mind blowing.

[hollow herald]

Well the dev streams are quite informative

[cursive jay]

you could just read the patchnotes like the players you get the info from lol

Sus

lol

self-owned

lol jk

❤️

[tender basin]

Where tho

[hollow herald]

Even if I think that the dev streams have useless information sometimes, in regards to the updates they are very well done

[cursive jay]

oh my god please there's a channel called #📰︱patch-notes

[hollow herald]

That's why I say that Jen doesn't find job. With the stuff that they assign her to do, she does her job perfectly

But they just don't assign her to us

[zenith kestrel]

@cursive jay I've always wanted the best for this game, its a shame that not everyone feels the same.

[tender basin]

And I can’t get through them personally probably my attention span

[cursive jay]

I hope and wish for nothing but the best for this game, now and in the future

and I will continue to always try to make that a reality

[zenith kestrel]

My opinion of the game and wanting it to be good does not change, even if my opinion of Torn Banner degrades.

[hollow herald]

Fair

[tender basin]

I literally can’t even see this channel tf

[cursive jay]

.... i am too tired for memery

[tender basin]

You think I’m messing around is the sad part

[hollow herald]

What do you think of the quality of their content? I believe the weapon additions are a joke and I feel many agree with me

I've suggested that they focus on adding the unique weapons that are missing from the original game because of this

And obviously many many people just want the flail but alas, they refuse.

[cursive jay]

Just try to keep those two opinions both in mind when writing feedback, other posts you have written were not this way and were immensely more visible to TBS (I assume)

[cursive jay]

I am so excited for Katars you have no idea

[hollow herald]

I believe the only good weapon edition so far has been the rapier.

[cursive jay]

It took some love to get the stats up to a useable place

was doo doo at first

[hollow herald]

I will probably use the Katar extensively and then complain if they are weak

[cursive jay]

lol

[hollow herald]

But I just want the weapons from chivalry one back. Where did they go?

No

[tender basin]

I love the fact it’s dual wield, and really really hope they build off that personally

[hollow herald]

I want the sling, I want the flail, I want the quarterstaff

[cursive jay]

same bro

[cursive jay]

quarterstaff is just warclub

[hollow herald]

But after the Katar, we are likely to get the heavy crossbow

[cursive jay]

but could use a skin

[zenith kestrel]

I disagree.

[hollow herald]

No, it's different I promise

[cursive jay]

Please let me convince you otherwise

[zenith kestrel]

This post specifically is a wakeup call, its up to them to fix it. If they dont fix it, then nothing changes.

[cursive jay]

I don't think it was construed as such, though. But I get where you're coming from

[tender basin]

I have so many ideas on how to have dual wielding animations, and how to balance it, that I’d be happy to share with them

[hollow herald]

They already figured it out before in deadliest warrior

[cursive jay]

But the content that came from the post, wanting better communication and more clarity regarding certain features, is most definitely noted

[hollow herald]

The main purpose is to have two different damage types, with a secondary feature being that you can throw two different weapons

[tender basin]

Oh say less I love good reference materials

[hollow herald]

I truly hope that they actually take the criticism and improve communication with the player base. It's gotten to the point where there are so few of us, that we all know each other by name. It's totally realistic for them to communicate with us efficiently

[cursive jay]

Not everyone that plays chiv is on discord though

that's just another small issue

I am NOT discounting what you are saying

despite it coming across that way

[hollow herald]

Respectfully if you're not integrated enough into the online communities then your voice just wasn't meant to be heard

If you're not interacting with them in some way or another whether that be Reddit or discord or whatever you want to use then it is what it is

[cursive jay]

I feel that, but also what about the gamer that doesn't know about discord or doesnt use it or doesnt have time for it

We're all gamers, we're just all trying to have fun (or escape reality) at the end of the day

[tender basin]

They have a discord icon in game that takes you to the server actually, I know because I copied it

[hollow herald]

I mean they can communicate in otherwise. They can use the Facebook, they can use the reddit, or they can even send torn banner an email

[cursive jay]

Okay guys... I know this. Obvi we are all discord users here

I'm JUST SAYING

[hollow herald]

But if they just don't want to interact with the community in any way other than playing the game then yeah, their voice is not going to be heard

[cursive jay]

facebook? wtf

[cursive jay]

BUT this doesn't mean their voice isn't valuable

[tender basin]

Yup I had to make a Facebook page crazy right

[hollow herald]

Yes, the chivalry 2 Facebook group actually has its own community of very old gamers. A good portion of my customers are from the Facebook group

[hollow herald]

Their voice doesn't exist.

[cursive jay]

Please delete your facebook accounts

[cursive jay]

Not fair, not true!

[hollow herald]

Oh well. If they don't want to actually talk to the developers, then the developers can't talk to them

[cursive jay]

i am going to smoke something

play chiv

get mad about archers

and go to bed

[hollow herald]

I actually just won an archer tournament a couple days ago

I got a hundred bucks

[cursive jay]

IRL? That's sick

[hollow herald]

No, in chivalry

[cursive jay]

oh

lol nice

[tender basin]

TBS didn’t host did they? I was thinking of having events like these cuz why not

[hollow herald]

No, they did not host it. It was hosted by tournament grounds

They are a community which hosts tournaments for this game

[tender basin]

Do they do other slashers? Send me a link to them if you could!

[cursive jay]

https://discord.gg/g3WMVPgk

[tender basin]

Oh sick

[cursive jay]

Have a good night yall

[hollow herald]

Good night

[silk vortex]

Dave best archer in game

[silk vortex]

No just chivalry 2

[tender basin]

I just saw in the discord thank you tho, is it that they haven’t spread to other slashers yet or that they just prefer chivalry 2

[cursive jay]

just is a chiv server

[hollow herald]

I will only accept the title of second best at most

The best archer is Step Bow

He taught me everything I know

Master...

[cursive jay]

a true master yes

[silk vortex]

We’ll it was formed from duelists in the community and we just hosted duel tournaments then it turned into the community hub for both na and eu for chivalry 2.

Have you heard of trial by blood?

[cursive jay]

Yes I was in a qualifier and lost first round

[hollow herald]

😰

[cursive jay]

because I don't duel lol

[silk vortex]

I’m just asking 🤣

[cursive jay]

why are you all hanging out here go to main chiv chat

[hollow herald]

Whoever suggested that they contact TRIGGER to get an anime to bring all the players back, that would unironically work

[cursive jay]

anime 😨

[tender basin]

I have not, sorry stepped away for a smoke

[hollow herald]

If you want to get the internet to love something put anime on it

Especially anime with good animation

[cursive jay]

I don't like anime

[hollow herald]

That's fine. But don't you like high player counts?

[cursive jay]

I like watching documentaries about engineering lol

[cursive jay]

Yes but I don't like dweebs or anifus or whatever they're called lol

what is that word for anime fans

[hollow herald]

They take up the same amount of slots as HEMA Larpers

on the servers

[tender basin]

Lmao you don’t wanna know

[hollow herald]

Sword fighting IRL larpers

[cursive jay]

ohh

yes

those people lol

I mean, I'm always down for like an Old Country Fair for some applebutter and reenactments

but you can miss me with all of that bs

[hollow herald]

And they are always down for some good animation

[cursive jay]

what is the word for someone that likes anime

please i am dying trying to remember

[hollow herald]

Weeaboo

[cursive jay]

yes

that

[hollow herald]

It's gone out of style though

[cursive jay]

Oh?

[hollow herald]

Because anime is mainstream now

[cursive jay]

yes but i thought that was like a mainstream thing

that they used to call themselves

[hollow herald]

No the word is more of an insult

[tender basin]

Otaku as well and that word has deeper connotations than it seems

[cursive jay]

oh then no not same word

i think

[hollow herald]

But people ironically call themselves weebs

[cursive jay]

WEEBS

weebs

yes

[hollow herald]

Just short for weeaboo

[cursive jay]

not dweeb weeb

ah

[tender basin]

Dweeb is a nerd I thought

[cursive jay]

Jet was trying to show me some anime shows but then I called them anime and not whatever they're actually called and he made fun of me

[hollow herald]

Basically

[cursive jay]

i guess all anime is not anime

there's like sub genres

[hollow herald]

Anime usually specifically means cartoon made in Japan

So you wouldn't call SpongeBob an anime

[cursive jay]

no but like

[hollow herald]

Even though the word is short for animation

[tender basin]

All anime is anime, at least most, anime is just very very diverse

[cursive jay]

there's other kinds of animation

like one specific one I can't think of but it's

idk

it's like not anime it's waifu?

lol idfk

[hollow herald]

Animation is just a medium. You could tell any kind of story you would like with animation. Anime itself is not a genre, no more than books or movies are a genre

[cursive jay]

Very good explanation

[hollow herald]

Just like live action, except animated

[tender basin]

There’s some good animes that were on adult swim tho, like inuyasha and kenichis mightiest disciple

[cursive jay]

all of the noises and stuff trigger something in me

[hollow herald]

You may have epilepsy lol

[cursive jay]

like the girls going "ooohh and aaahh'" even pokemon was too much for me lol

[hollow herald]

Then I wouldn't watch a kid's show

I would watch anime made for someone your age

Many people watch anime made for younger audiences because they're more popular

[cursive jay]

When I finish YouTube I may watch a video

[hollow herald]

But if you don't like watching kids shows then you're never going to like watching anime made for kids

[tender basin]

Just realized this is all stuff for general chat, but I feel like I’m liable to be bothered by a mod there, and also if TBS don’t care neither do I

[cursive jay]

Yeah the constant noises that sound like fake voice changers trigger me lol

should move to gen chat for sure

[hollow herald]

Some shows have very weird dialogue because they're dubbing over the original product so they have to match the lip flaps

And for obvious reasons Japanese is not like English

[tender basin]

Maybe it’ll finally pull them here don’t worry about it haha

[hollow herald]

If you only watch documentaries on engineering then you probably wouldn't like any animation because almost all animation is fiction

[tender basin]

Yeah Dave do be speaking truth like usual

I’m too tired to be trying to formulate thoughts I gotta call it here

[gritty finch]

Plot twist, hoeh is just playing devils advocate to boost the amount of posts in this thread significantly

[deep zinc]

And lolis, don't forget that God I hate the internet

[teal current]

At least the character wasn't weird about it like some anime.

[deep zinc]

She has DICK written on her thigh

It's like they want you to think about it

[teal current]

I watched the anime and didn't even notice that. Why you staring that much at loli thigh?

The character was portrayed pretty well. Surprisingly not cringe, so that was nice. TRIGGER made a bomb anime.

[deep zinc]

What if I told you that studio includes loli in all their anime

It's their sick, twisted audience

https://www.forevergeek.com/static/uploads/33/2022/09/David-and-Rebecca-Cyberpunk-Edgerunners.jpg ALSO HARD TO MISS

Since she dresses like a [censored word]

[teal current]

I wouldn't care? Fiction is fiction. And it's pretty easy to miss if you're focusing on the scene and not checking out loli thighs.

What, you gonna get bent out of shape about furries too?

[deep zinc]

YES

If there's furry bait in animation, absolutely

[teal current]

You're silly.

[deep zinc]

It is fiction, but the fiction is explicitly the appearance of extreme youth

Not the worst example, but they had to literally fight for that character to get added because it made Netflix staff uncomfortable

[teal current]

Netflix, the people behind Cuties. Nah, ProjectRed had an issue with it.

[deep zinc]

They didn't make that one!

It's not a netflix production

lol but yeah hypocritical

OH

[teal current]

I dunno how to tell you this, but this anime also has murder in it and I still do not wish to kill people irl yet. Fiction is fiction. The more you fixate on it, the weirder it is. The character had a nice fun personality and story, you wanna hone in on it being about loli, that's on you.

[deep zinc]

Well the difference is when you're appealing to that fetish, it's still fantasizing about something that is illegal

....except in some parts of Japan

[teal current]

A lot of things that happen in Cyberpunk is illegal. That's like the entire shtick of the show

[deep zinc]

I'd be weirded out if they included non-consensual sex too, it isn't fun

Even criminals think things involving shit with kids is bad

At least she's 20 and doesn't look 5

My issue usually comes when they''re like 3-4 feet tall

And that's weird

[teal current]

People with dwarfism need love too

[deep zinc]

Dwarfs don't look like kids usually

[teal current]

Depends, kinda. But now we're just getting into weird specifics

[deep zinc]

Out of curiosity, you don't get weirded out if someone starts telling you that their waifu looks 12?

And that's their ONLY preference?

Digibro creeped me out pre-transition

[teal current]

I think they helped demonstrate the normalization of general illegal activities in Night City, at the very least. It was meant to be a depraved, offensive, hostile world, and I think the mass violence, public indecency, and everything is pretty on point with the Cyberpunk genre of "this place is terrible"

[silk vortex]

Guys can you talk about that stuff else’s where this thread just tuned into general chat over night

[deep zinc]

LOL

[teal current]

Meet at #🍻︱general , nerd

[deep zinc]

YEH YEH

[inner drum]

I respect you for still trying @zenith kestrel , I've written so many essays myself but the last hope was a succesful steam launch and proper build upon the hype it created. They have failed again (unsurprisingly) and I'm just kind of done now. At this point I hope the game dies so I can just give TBS a proper "I told you so" before permanently fucking off from this and any future game created by TBS. I suggest you do the same , chivalry 2 has more chance of succeeding now if it gets bought out by some Chinese company and turned into microtransaction hell over TBS continuing to "develop" it.

[tender basin]

at least theyd have content to sell you

[silk vortex]

It’s really sad they probably view us as some whiney gamers when all we want is the proper tools To run our communities and for the game to work properly. We are investing All this money for tournaments and such on a broken Product.

[livid harness]

People who get mad at not just gamers...but leaders who built this community and are speaking out, you are honestly shameful. We all stood by this game knowing torn banners history cause we wanted it to succeed we wanted to be proven wrong.
1.5 years later we stood by waiting and now that we see our friends and things we work for fading away way to soon
..I'm sorry that we give more of a shit about our player base and community then torn banner seems to show for concern for their own damn game that they put years into.

They don't have to answer us you're right...but they will have to answer to the investors and employees that get let go as the game dies and company loses credibility among its player base to never buy TBS games again. Your names are known. There are so many indie games out there that get love and support. Look at no man's sky turning their disaster around.

The easiest thing to do is show respect to the community who's literally done nothing but try to help.

[warm current]

he's right and i have only really played duel servers this whole time, last night, monday night around 7-8 o click EST is usually PRIMETIME for the duel servers. For the first time every i found myself sitting in the server browser staring at all the NA East duels only servers with less than 10 people EACH....... every one i joined was FULL of RDMer's and when i tried votekicking one, it didnt pass and they votekicked me back and i got kicked. Didnt report it cuz why even bother

[wary umbra]

feels bad but they decided they were going to not release any content for duelers, FFA and LTS players. The only queue that is getting any attention is Casual TO it seems, which is sad but that means those players that use the other queues will lose interest

which is where we've headed

[bitter seal]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-floating-swimming-floating-in-pool-emotionless-gif-14334739

[livid harness]

the arena mode was lazy af. if you look at chiv1 1v1 or "arena mode" they had special maps made for duels, not just downsized version of game maps.
the dock map for example was great, esp with the old kick mechanic, sadly they made kick into a stun instead of mainly a push back.

they could of done so much but cause they only focused on quick match TO and not other avanues, scenes died faster, Duel was in server browser for PC only at launch only to cater to the audience they knew existed but didnt want to focus on.

Everything about how this game was launched, communicated, portrayed and executed is sloppy and poorly planned. Idc if im hurting someones feelings. The man who called out Piggot years ago even said the TBS was lazy and everything i have seen has only proven it. everyone forgets this game was already delayed back 1 year, and Devs got to work from home during covid. they didnt release any footage of the game until close to launch despite teasing it 2 years prior. Rumor was they didnt want to have Mordhau see what they were doing but lets be honest, they just didnt have enough to show. They ubisoft it with a trailer but not real game play. Everything they do is a mimic of other studios, the only thing they can take credit for is a combat system but even that has its influence from others.

At this rate, unless they pull the chivalrous stick out of their asses and make real changes and execute things quick then sadly i have no faith or hope left for this studio. The only thing that will save them then is if another studio buys them out, gets rid of Piggott, and start engaging the community, cause they forget, a community is more important in a INDIE game then they seem to want to acknowledge

[sudden loom]

@unique sequoia Piggott 🔌

Ohp

Sorry

[livid harness]

if only that was really him but im sure he can give a fuck what anyone has to say about the game aside himself. didnt he take like 60% of the profits from chiv1?

[mental quiver]

Yup. Piggot is a total ass hole. Devs probably all agree but can't say anything due to risking their jobs

[zenith kestrel]

I dont think you should assume things about people, not to agree or disagree.

Every interaction ive had with him has been positive, but im not an employee and I dont think anyone can draw conclusions since most of the information on him are rumors that have at least been partially disproven.

[wet flame]

Yeah I quit this game a long time ago, it just got boring because of the stupid issues y'know

[silk vortex]

I just miss seeing all my homies in duel servers, hell I even miss rival clans that I would banter with. In the last two weeks it seems that the camels back broke. Losing top players, seeing clans fade into subsistence levels of players, seeing less and less people in TO servers… it just seems like the ship isn’t bailing enough water and we’re all going down with it, starting with the players on the lower decks who helped make this game fun and engaging. I truly wish they would let @lone igloo take two or three devs and run a 12 hour community Q and A session where we could ask questions and get REAL answers, get REAL interaction with the people who create this game and manage this community.
The more I’ve thought about it, the more evident it becomes that Jen isn’t really to blame. I highly doubt she wants to be known as the community manager that doesn’t manage the community. It has to he a decision from the top down that is keeping her so limited in her role. I am at a loss as to what it is going to take to get the level of engagement that people want, and get real answers with hard deadlines regarding all the content we want. No one cares about a cute “SURPRISE!” update where we get things fixed, we all want a date to look forward to when we can breathe a collective sigh of relief that an issue has been fixed or an addition we have desperately wanted has been added.

[silk vortex]

couldn't have said it better

[flint chasm]

I agree, but a 12 hour Q&A session 🤣🤣

[tender basin]

While this could very well be true, at a certain point, you have to be able to see that your reputation is affected by the decisions of others and do something, anything to try to remedy that, so that to your point, they wont "be known as the community manager that doesn’t manage the community". People try to make this same argument about actors playing bad roles, and that its directors and producers fault, and while they definitely aren't blame free, that doesn't change that sometimes actors, and in this case the community manager might not be doing anything to change the situation, which I would think they would if they truly thought this was an issue, like the player base clearly does. How do you stay at a company that has your reputation be tarnished, because of its policies, unless of course you agree with those same policies. I'm not gonna be mean like other people have been, but in my personal opinion, the general consensus at TBS is that we're asking for too much, and if they give in, they'll have to give in again. I had mentioned some weeks backs, that TBS was training us like you would a dog, and what I meant by that is, if you have us accept minimal content, and interaction with the community for that matter, than if we EVER got more than that it would be like "Oh my, TBS is awesome". The problem is the average Chivalry 2 player is an adult, and we're not quite as gullible as that.

[regal owl]

Hey, I’m a dissatisfied customer, too. And nothing’s going to change, no matter how much we protest, because…Guess what? They. 👏 Already. 👏 Have. 👏 Our. 👏 Money.

If we could all get refunds, things would be different, right? I’m down to help pay for a lawyer if anybody wants to explore possibilities for taking legal action, because at this point it’s starting to become personal.

There’s no other way to say it…They completely ripped us off!

[flint chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-hide-hiding-laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-not-laugh-gif-15085489

[regal owl]

Fuck Piggot

Fire the CM

I’m out, might be back if they ever decide to actually finish the product that they sold us

[tender basin]

To give a more personal example on why I think this, I absolutely love Chivalry and Chivalry 2, and video games in general. I love them so much so that some months ago I had applied to TBS as an unpaid intern, despite having a 3 years old daughter I take care of, and working remotely. I could not have been more passionate to work on a host of things, from game development to helping with community management ironically enough, as these are both fields I’ve worked in, especially extensively in community and event management. Not to my surprise, they couldn’t even find time to reply, not even to say no. At the time I had thought it was because they were busy, and maybe even that it simply wasn’t worth their time to answer and thought “whatever”. Obviously I didn’t just expect to get in just like that, as amazing as that “would” have been. I started to realize, that no matter the reason they didn’t answer, I was glad that they didn’t. I’ve quickly come to realize that even if I was brought aboard, then what, I’m one of how many devs that only managed to release one map and one weapon in how many months? And also knowing I by myself can make more content, using the exact same engine that Chivalry 2 is built on no less. Maybe part of the reason I was overlooked was that if I’m actually trying to push for more content, and communication, while clearly TBS is doing the exact opposite, that wouldn’t work out. It makes sense, but I try not to dwell on uncertainties. I can say, I certainly wouldn’t want that associated with me personally, and I can tell you I wouldn’t be hiring them and that’s the main reason I bring this up. Everyone at TBS is smart enough to realize how this looks, and how it is and they willingly go along with it anyway, because at the end of the day… it’s money that does the talking, not us. I can tell you though, I’ve since started my own indie studio, and we are learning greatly from TBS’ mistakes and successes, so I do truly hope they don’t give up!

[tender basin]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-cash-money-counting-money-gif-17544086

[livid harness]

I'm listening. I'd be more then happy to help. They already got in trouble for false advertising the cross platform party system. Hence why they took it down on all the marketing.

They just canceled their q&a they have every 2 weeks...shocker. they are losing players and support while we all have questions. They are taking away this week's QnA cause they know we would be there waiting. So they changed it to Tuesday with out the Q&A. At this point they are cowards

[vagrant widget]

Not surprising honestly

[silk vortex]

The irony of almost all the announcements being Jen, except the most recent one being from "Playerhater" saying no Q&A isn't lost on me.

[livid harness]

sadly nothing i have seen shows any form of consistency to want to change the game. COD releases soon and thats going to take a big chunk of players away from console.
Those who are real fans of chiv are already bailing cause of the disrespect of silence. Its sad cause i know many guys like Superman, Sotordave, Hansolocups, who put alot of effort into community events to create excitement. And they arent going to get the crowds they deserve cause the player base has developed a exhausted distain for chivalry. And all of this stemmed from the fact we just wanted private servers so we can do more things to create excitement. Fuck us for wanting to help, right?

[gritty finch]

Simultaneously dreading the release of mw2 and impatient for it. I'm leaving chiv for it of course, but not happily.

Pretty scummy to cancel the q and a when its never been more necessary. Abysmal decision making at TB

[livid harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-boFgLeiJO0 took a second to find this....

theres another one 4 months ago made basically saying the same shit...

[prisma terrace]

When seeing c2 slowly dying

[slow pebble]

[mental quiver]

Call me 🤙

[silk vortex]

[deft sonnet]

so im assuming there still isnt cross platform parties?

[gritty finch]

Dont hold your breath

[deft sonnet]

yeah im uninstalling and wont be coming back

[gritty finch]

Boys... we lost ChuckIt...

[deft sonnet]

have fun with your horses

[zenith kestrel]

We have reached 200 upvotes on this thread.

I really hope this sends a message to Torn Banner.

I don't care if they reply or not, but I sure hope they get the picture.

[hollow herald]

if you could reevaluate the main strategy for improving player retention, what would you do?

assuming the main strategy as of now is content production

cuz that's what I believe it currently is

[zenith kestrel]

Make the core game good, functional and fun.

Give mod support so people can supply their own content while you also make content.

[hollow herald]

so to be exact, mod support and improving the overall state of the game like bugs and stuff?

[zenith kestrel]

Yeah.

[hollow herald]

because there's a checklist of things we can list that would make the core good.

• mod support
• private servers
• zero bugs
• solid balancing (they do a decent job at this already)
• ranked duels/3v3 with rewards for different ranks (in my opinion)

[zenith kestrel]

Some of Chivalry 1s most played content were community made maps

even ones added officially

[hollow herald]

belmez wya?

duelyard wya?

black knight wya?

giantslayer wya?

[zenith kestrel]

Belmez, kings garden, theres a lot of maps.

[hollow herald]

I had an idea, do you think it'd be realistic to add black knight or giant slayer as limited time events? like Midsommar and Brawl

[zenith kestrel]

If it takes torn banner 6+ months to make one map while working full time, then fine.

Let people make their own maps.

[hollow herald]

I think it'd be easy enough, right?

[hollow herald]

I concur

[zenith kestrel]

If mod support was added, chiv 1s maps would be added within a week.

[hollow herald]

so to you mod support > private servers

wait what am I saying you can't have it without private servers

[zenith kestrel]

I mean

yeah

lmao

[hollow herald]

do you think fixing the core game bugs wise and quality wise is unrealistic?

because of the mountain of spaghetti?

feels like all the devs are consistently on damage control

from the content updates which bring new bugs always

[zenith kestrel]

It shouldnt be

[hollow herald]

don't know how to word this in a way that's politically correct, but what's the hold up?

why so many bugs that have lasted for 15 months?

I'm fine if they never get fixed, like I won't mind. But it's just perplexing

[marsh harness]

I went in the middle of the day (just now) into Tenosia mode. Thrown to Asia, but I'm from EU. The online of this game is dying.

[wet flame]

It’s so ironic that people thought chiv2 will straight out kill mord

And here we are now, seeing the downfall of this game

[marsh harness]

As reality shows, the "killer" of games most often dies himself. I bought this game only because there are very few games in this genre. They want too much for such a product. For some reason, the "killer" is more expensive than the original. Another game that decided to collect money from the anti-fans of the original and merge into the shadows.

F

[wet flame]

I Would Unironically prefer The Old Chivalry instead of this one

[wet flame]

this looks worse than the mordhau alpha

[marsh harness]

Really

[wet flame]

Yeah, The game functioned better than what we have right now in chiv2

[marsh harness]

A lot of people here complain about hitboxes. And I have a more fun problem - I'm far from Europe. But she is the closest. And what do you think? I often see my damage after I die. 👌

[marsh harness]

I played 1 against 3. They killed me. I resurrected and saw that all three of my enemies took my damage.

Developers, cure your eyesight and hands please

[wet flame]

I have both of a fun problem and a hitbox problem

This game is hands down the most clunkiest medieval slasher I've played

its worse than renown itself

[marsh harness]

Unfortunately, many games ask a lot of money for their raw product. Remember the latest EA shooter.

[lilac pagoda]

DICE momento

[silk vortex]

The combat is great they just need to fix the servers performance or pay for better servers.

[silk vortex]

Jesus Christ still no response and they canceled the Q n A

horrible look for a game that is slowy dying

[vagrant widget]

They could atleast acknowledge this

[livid harness]

Because they are either cowards or truly don't give a shit anymore. They know we want answers and their first decision is to cancel a Q&A. Bravo torn banner.

[vagrant widget]

Probably both

[livid harness]

#firepiggott

[silk vortex]

lets chill on the insults

[vagrant widget]

idk who he is but I agree

Main dev I think

#firepiggott

[livid harness]

He took over the original team chivalry and made it torn banner for chivalry 1. He's the boss. Google Steve Piggott and reddit. Enjoy the read. He's been the decision maker since chivalry 1 launch and does only what is best for him

[vagrant widget]

So kinda like Crush from mordhau

In terms of competence

[livid harness]

Mordhau exists because torn banner basically said to its fans who donated to make chiv "if u don't like it make your own game" thus mordhau was born

[silk vortex]

i dont even want to touch chiv anymore i hop on and get bored after like 3o mins of dealing with desycs and the casual TO is just not the same its always half empty or just noobs

casual play is boring/ Game is getting progressively worse with the desyncs and server performance/ Comp scene is just completely dead and was the only thing that made the game viable fun.

[livid harness]

Not only that but of high ranks go into public matches with friends we automatically are given shit for stacking even if its just 2 of us

[silk vortex]

Like they made a slasher game of course people are gonna make it competitive soo why do they keep catering to the casual TO mode only

[vagrant widget]

Or just get harrased by randoms

[livid harness]

Comp scene dwindled from disgust from torn banner

Open play doesn't want us

We have no where to go lol

[silk vortex]

they are purposely killing the comp scene

[vagrant widget]

Sad but true

[livid harness]

It's even sadder cuz comp players are the ones that stuck around and want to see the game grow. Casual players just game hop

[silk vortex]

really the only thing that made players come back and made new players want to play more and get good enough to actually be apart of the comp scene.

lol TBS alt is typing

[cursive jay]

A solid, great, majority of players only play 64p

a fraction of players play duels

[silk vortex]

yea that drop the game after like a week

lol

[cursive jay]

don't be so full of yourselves

[silk vortex]

that means nothing

[silk vortex]

when did i refer to duels?

[gritty finch]

Don't worry guys... bannerlord console release will save the genre right!!! 🤡

[cursive jay]

.

[silk vortex]

you dont even know what we are talking about

you just talk to talk

[vagrant widget]

Mordhau console will save it totally

[cursive jay]

you can read everything that everyone wrote in discord

[silk vortex]

not even talking about duels lol

[cursive jay]

it's a feature™

[silk vortex]

look at you putting words in my mouth

[cursive jay]

I read, all the way from ziggy bragging about upvotes on this thread (again) lol

[gritty finch]

[silk vortex]

yea never mentions duels yet again

[cursive jay]

You guys need to kill this thread

[silk vortex]

you need to hop off lol

The TBS alt is lil salty

heres a boot you can lick

[livid harness]

You are going out of ur way to continue to be apart of a thread you dislike. Be better

[silk vortex]

🥾

[cursive jay]

Not salty. I'm sick of you guys thinking that your need is the most important thing. Just because you want private servers doesn't make that need "the utmost greatest need in Chiv's history"

[silk vortex]

honestly he is just antagonizing

[cursive jay]

and trying to justify it by saying "well the comp scene is the only reason players play this game" is bullshit

[silk vortex]

not bringing anything of value to the discussion

[cursive jay]

it's actual bullshit, you're talking out of your asses

[gritty finch]

Lmaooo

[lilac pagoda]

I'm sorry, we're the consumers, whose needs are more important than ours then?

[cursive jay]

Karen ASF

[silk vortex]

no youre the karen lmao read the room

[cursive jay]

Look at the bigger picture, not just the room

[livid harness]

Been here since Age of chivalry.
Seen torn banners bullshit continously never changed
Know many players who have predicted the same shit that's occured..
We speak from experience and concern. You speak from a perspective of arrogance

[cursive jay]

Ya'll bitching to eachother thinking your priorities are shared with TBS and continuing to shitpost

Say that the "comp" scene is the main reason players play this game is bullshit, sorry to trigger you.

the numbers say otherwise

[livid harness]

Cause priorities of cosmetics that torn banner focuses on is more important ? The games gotten worst over time. We know cuz we are playing it alot. Only 2 devs play the game

[cursive jay]

Again talking out of your ass

Based on opinions you formed from these bozos

[gritty finch]

Imagine thinking private servers don't contribute to casual player numbers. The more choices people have the more likely they are to find a niche. Picks sweats out of queue and duel so they play with each other instead. Casual community servers. Promotion of casual clans and events. Mods.

[livid harness]

Based on experience of my own

[silk vortex]

who cares that's what the forum threads were created for so hop off and do something productive with your life instead of getting mad at consumers for being dissatisfied with their product.

[cursive jay]

I've heard all the arguments

[cursive jay]

Maybe you should just take a break from "your product"

[silk vortex]

@cursive jay

[silk vortex]

no i can do whatever i want as a customer stop being weird and telling people what to do with their product

doing to much

[cursive jay]

yall realize how Karen you sound jfc

[livid harness]

Guys hes literally here shit posting about how we need to stop posting. In a post he wants to die cause he can't ignore it. But he's mad at us for not ignoring issues in a game we put alot of time and invested in originally

[silk vortex]

again thats you

[cursive jay]

lol okay pal

[gritty finch]

Like I said before dude is boosting engagement with this thread. More posts the better

[cursive jay]

"engagements" with this thread this isn't twitter bud

[silk vortex]

true just let him talk to h9imself

[livid harness]

The irony

[silk vortex]

no one is taking his opinions seriously

[cursive jay]

Interesting take

since.... idk. 1765 comments seems to not have been taken seriously

?

[livid harness]

Imagine not liking something or people but continuing to chose to interact with them for some need to feel validated

[cursive jay]

By all means. carry on continue to bitch and spew bullshit

[livid harness]

We will

[cursive jay]

Doesn't affect me personally, just affects the game as a whole (your product lmfao) that "you've invested in"

[livid harness]

Obviously we have been. You aren't important enough to any of us to change our mind

You're so salty about people having opinions man. This doesnt effect you. Doesnt concern you. Grab a snickers and ask Piggott to remove his hand from your ass

[cursive jay]

Will do

[livid harness]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-simon-cowell-americas-got-talent-clapping-round-of-applause-gif-22700807

[cursive jay]

lmao

You tell 'em buddy

👍

[gritty finch]

scrolling up that far for material bro?

[silk vortex]

He salty for sure

[cursive jay]

nah I use my imagination for material bro

I've read every comment on this thread, have you?

[livid harness]

Clearly he needs this win lol.

[cursive jay]

"win"

[silk vortex]

He needs the last word lol

[cursive jay]

Zeek you are 12 years old confirmed

[silk vortex]

Let’s give it to him so he can sleep well tonight

[livid harness]

Damn got me

To think I said I been here since age of chivalry lol. He obviously can't math

[gritty finch]

I've read a lot but no, I don't need 2000 comments to tell me why the game is dying. I just play it.

[cursive jay]

Thinking about someone other than yourself, not very Karen

[silk vortex]

Horrible comeback

[cursive jay]

cope + uninstall

[gritty finch]

dude is obsessed with karens

[cursive jay]

You are all karens

[silk vortex]

He’s is pressed

It’s kinda funny

[cursive jay]

"MY problem is IMPORTANT because I INVESTED in this PRODUCT"

yall are a meme

[livid harness]

His haircut could almost pass for a karen cut

[cursive jay]

🙏 👋

[livid harness]

Man's doubling down lol

[gritty finch]

fix your game TB alt

[silk vortex]

This is not a my problem its a game and community problem way to twist it around In your head tho

[cursive jay]

you tell em

[silk vortex]

Didn’t mean to call lol

[cursive jay]

triggered

[silk vortex]

No clicked on your profile and accidentally pressed call

?

[livid harness]

Checking out his karen influenced hairstyle.

[cursive jay]

kinda sus you can see through a hat

tell me your ways

[silk vortex]

Damn he’s from Pittsburgh too

I’m from Pittsburgh

[cursive jay]

are you like that gypsy game on miniclip

[silk vortex]

We could’ve been homies

[livid harness]

I mean seems like the man is reflecting his personal desire and frustrations on a bunch of random people online about something that doesn't effect him

[cursive jay]

Yinz nuts

[gritty finch]

??????

[livid harness]

If we don't matter. Why waste time here

[cursive jay]

not homies

[silk vortex]

Nah we homies now

Get it right

[cursive jay]

also Fat Heads > Primanti's

don't get it twisted

[livid harness]

Glad to see you got away. Obviously they went down hill

[silk vortex]

Meet me at south side 10 pm tonight be there or be square

It’s on

[cursive jay]

more talking out of your ass

[cursive jay]

I used to live in SS, it's a big place lol. we just gonna meet

[livid harness]

Let's road trip it rico.

[gritty finch]

id say FT10 to settle your differences but you'd get disconnected from the server before you Riko 10-0s you

[livid harness]

Ft10 irl?

[silk vortex]

Lmao

I got 9 lives

[cursive jay]

yeah if someone has a mod menu irl to remove our wanted level after

[livid harness]

We could go to Seattle. They have a fight law there so long a cop is present

[cursive jay]

talking out of your ass or is this true?

I lived in Portland for two years, hadn't head anything about that

[livid harness]

Mutual combat law...Washington and Texas have it

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/mutual-combat-states

I guess you truly don't know shit

[cursive jay]

I don't plan out where I can commit crimes, you have me there

but this is really great knowledge, I appreciate it

[livid harness]

It isn't a crime. Clearly

The world was better when fisticuffs were a option

[silk vortex]

This is actually insane

It would be fun to be a cop in Texas and oversee a brawl under mutual combat laws

[livid harness]

New career goals?

[silk vortex]

Just Reffing a fight in the middle of the street

[livid harness]

I actually found out about the law when someone challenged the "superhero" To a fight

For the lols
https://youtu.be/lVLvAOsX95M

Starts around 6:30

[tender basin]

@cursive jay how much does TBS pay you? I'll double it

[bitter seal]

I’ve heard of guys doing trial by combat to get out of child support payments but of course the judge never ruled for that lol

[cursive jay]

https://www.google.com/search?q=zero+squared&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS934US934&oq=zero+squared&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512j46i175i199i512j0i512l7.2346j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Better be ready money bags @tender basin

[tender basin]

Yeah I think I can afford that

[cursive jay]

lol

[zenith kestrel]

@cursive jay I know you are a nice guy, but you really seem super biased right now based on the things you've said today. You seem bitter that we aren't happy with Chivalry 2 and Torn Banner, despite them failing to provide basic communication, features that have been present in most non-AAA games, bug fixes, content, upkeep.... I'm not sure where your headspace is at but really, you should maybe just refrain from continuing if your intent is to be antagonistic and argumentative, devolving to calling people "Karen" and telling people to uninstall. It's like you haven't looked at your own actions.

I'll put it simply, having standards this low actually harms the game industry as a whole as companies (and TBS is a company) will use any leeway to get away with putting in as low effort as possible. Most game companies do not have integrity and will take the path of least resistance to make a game and this one is no exception. The more you allow them to get away with under-delivering free from criticism, the more they will under-deliver.

[bitter seal]

0 squared is 1

So u are being paid

[cursive jay]

wait but it's not tho

?

[bitter seal]

It is

[cursive jay]

google lied

[bitter seal]

💀

[cursive jay]

you're thinking like 2 to the 0 power is 1

or like 0 to the 0 power is 1

but 0 squared is 0

[bitter seal]

Nah man

[cursive jay]

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+zero+squared+1&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS934US934&sxsrf=ALiCzsaPBg0TjG5XtgCZI6jorKJFWw90_w%3A1664469347053&ei=Ysk1Y5qDPNSYptQPiNyu2AM&oq=is+zero+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMYADIECAAQQzIECAAQQzIECAAQQzIKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzIECAAQQzIECAAQQzIECAAQQzIECAAQQzIFCAAQgAQyBAgAEEM6BAgjECc6CAgAELEDEIMBOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToECAAQAzoECC4QQ0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFAAWIEKYNMQaABwAXgAgAFviAG6BpIBAzQuNJgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

[bitter seal]

Exactly

[cursive jay]

0 ^ 2 = 0
O ^ 0 = 1

[bitter seal]

I have a masters man i think I know what I’m talking about

[cursive jay]

lol very funny

[bitter seal]

What’s funny

I’m serious

[livid harness]

To double is to multiply
Any number multiplied by 0 is 0

[cursive jay]

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Y%3DO^0

I thought you were trolling me with the masters degree from last time

You're wrong then lol

[bitter seal]

Huh

That was silver case not me

[cursive jay]

Ik

[bitter seal]

I’m not wrong

[cursive jay]

bb

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=O^2

[bitter seal]

Wolfram is known in the industry as unintelligible

[cursive jay]

omg

[bitter seal]

It’s okay if you don’t know

[cursive jay]

google and wolfram alpha are both wrong?

[bitter seal]

Anyone can post stuff online dude

[silk vortex]

@cursive jay you gonna acknowledge this?

[cursive jay]

I am thoroughly confused right now not sure if trolling me successfully or

[bitter seal]

I don’t troll

[cursive jay]

Idk I think I got trolled lmao

[bitter seal]

I’m telling you you are wrong

I wrote my thesis on the ambiguity of squared numbers

I think I’d know dude

[cursive jay]

send it to me

[bitter seal]

Bro just dropped his email 💀💀

[zenith kestrel]

He seems a bit tilted, if im honest.

[cursive jay]

just for you

[bitter seal]

Ok I copied it

[livid harness]

In short, the multiplicative identity is the number 1, because for any other number x, 1*x = x. So, the reason that any number to the zero power is one is because any number to the zero power is just the product of no numbers at all, which is the multiplicative identity, 1.

[bitter seal]

I’ll send rn

[cursive jay]

I was I guess (not) getting trolled?

[zenith kestrel]

I guess, doesn't matter to me.

Antagonizing you is not my intent.

[livid harness]

He knows not to mess with zaddyziggy

[cursive jay]

You weren't I'll respond to right now I didn't expect that to take five mins

[bitter seal]

You obviously just like to argue

Cant let anything go

[cursive jay]

you're right

i was going to respond

I'll just let it go

[bitter seal]

Right After i send my thesis

[cursive jay]

lowkey waiting

[bitter seal]

You didn’t get it?

Check your spam

[cursive jay]

negatory

just did

[bitter seal]

Sometimes gets filtered

Okay I’ll resend hold on

Ok check

[hollow herald]

We don't have to be at each other's throats

[cursive jay]

still no, you must have the wrong email lol

[hollow herald]

at the end of the day im just sad that we discuss things with an us vs. them mentality for everything

[livid harness]

Didn't u come into our discord yesterday for my throat for not getting you questions 😝

[hollow herald]

because you're lazy

but that's besides the point

[livid harness]

Can be*

[hollow herald]

every issue is always us approaching, attacking, or brown nosing the devs

we should be integrated into the processes that form the game and make it the way it is

[bitter seal]

As if we aren’t ready for that

[hollow herald]

The decisions made at Torn Banner show me we are just as if not more organized in our ideas

[livid harness]

We are here. It's torn banner who has refused the call

[hollow herald]

t. Maul nerf

I've said this before, but we know stuff that Torn Banner doesn't know.

And Torn Banner knows stuff that we don't know

that's why we need to talk

we just need to talk

[bitter seal]

We have obviously been trying , yourself included

Is what it is at this point

[hollow herald]

I don't mind them taking their time to create a sophisticated, formal response to things. But radio silence sucks hot ass

The most time needed to respond to any topic or inquiry should be a month, at most

any longer than that is a telltale sign of inefficiency

[livid harness]

Could be pride sadly

[regal owl]

Lol

[cursive jay]

or it could be the snowballing riot mentality that a lot of people have

in this thread

[silk vortex]

Wouldn’t have gotten to this point if they would just listen to the community and even then your over reaching referencing this to a riot.

Like come on

[dry cove]

it was certainly capable of doing so, but they blew it

[silk vortex]

Look at the name of the TB employee that cancelled it

[silk vortex]

https://youtu.be/A_-o1CEe9uU

[silk vortex]

i wonder if his name was always that

[silk vortex]

It’s just so ironic and tone deaf

Watch this clip too

Perfect example of the game being broken

Yet people still claim we are just complaining to complain

FIX YOUR GAME

How is this even enjoyable on a casual level

[brisk onyx]

It's a brainless game at a casual level

[silk vortex]

Watched that video, I knew I wasn’t crazy. This has been my experience for months. It takes away the joy of winning fights too when you know you won off a bullshit desync swing that should never have hit

[wary umbra]

His last name is Hayter

his name has always been PlayerHayter

[gritty finch]

Oh yeah I love it for that though. Turn my brain off and crank some music, big kill streaks with big sword.

It should be a perfect 10 for me but the servers suck

[silk vortex]

Still man, if my name was Richard Carcrash I would avoid being the news anchor to report a 13 fatality pile up on the highway

[mint needle]

That’s namist

[silver dove]

Bro got a bad computer

[deep zinc]

I actually have no idea what's going on there. At 2:00, he says "boom, hit, after the fact". I've NEVER experienced that

I have been playing this for over a year and haven't experienced something like that once

Is Spartakos on wifi?

(I experienced it maybe on east coast)

(I am west coast)

[silk vortex]

I can tell you mostly everyone has dealt with this in central servers since the update literally ask anybody. Most comp events have to be hosted in central to Appel to both west and east players.

I have a dozen of clips like this my self

[deep zinc]

If it's just central, then why is this guy****** labelling it as if its a global issue

Also, how are you certain this video is central, he doesn't show

[silk vortex]

Because it has been an issue since steam release Bruh I remember you now. Good talk

Because he was fighting us

We experienced it during the Match as well

[deep zinc]

🙄

[deep zinc]

I know the central servers are fucked, I'm questioning the video title

"HEY IF WE PLAY COMP ON SERVER BROWSER THINGS ARE BAD"

If the video was "the chiv 2 central servers suck" I'd get it

[silk vortex]

Because it’s not just central go into a TO off match making and you experience these a couple times though out the match

[deep zinc]

I don't experience delayed strikes, that's so weird

I'm on a fiber ethernet connection

[silk vortex]

Just because you don’t doesn’t mean others don’t

[deep zinc]

That's the one thing I'm questioning. Typically that's a delay issue

Yeah and are they on wifi lol

Not everyone has the same setup

[silk vortex]

I am not

I have 1000 mbps

Wired

[deep zinc]

Well I had a guy complaining today on the TO servers and I asked him if he had wifi and he said "YES"

So that's SOME of it

[silk vortex]

Regardless not everyone that plays this game has access to their router so this doesn’t excuse anything

So your telling me if I play on wireless it’s my fault and not the devs fault

I already told you I have experienced it on wired connection a lot of times.

[deep zinc]

Melee games have bigger issues with wifi than most online games because you have games like World of Warcraft, or mmos, which have delayed actions that are synced in a way that's very different from realtime combat, then you have fps games where you have 30 actions happen at once (a gun firing 30 rounds)

And these games are a lot less obvious on hit reg/sync issues

Because of how they play

But a melee game like street fighter, mortal kombat, for honor, street fighter, chivalry 2, mordhau, those delays become way more obvious

Because you put out very few actions per second