#Private servers when? You guys need to give the community proper tools.

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fringe grove
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Exactly this. Majority of the community host cash prized events and tournaments not just stack TO and crush randoms 😂 there’s a whole other side of this game that you have not experienced @tranquil heart

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randomers alone is enough reason for them to exist

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and next update, there will be duel servers with HORSES

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I don't know if you ever played duels, but this will be hell.

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The majority of players probably want Prox chat, with no regard for the consequences or server strain issues it would impose. You envision private servers just "working" yet professional server architects are still optimizing it to this day? The "wanters" never take into account viability at all.

inner vine
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Everyday in duels, there is going to be one person randomly attacking people. Plz private server 😦

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And again, ChivalryMW did it and that game was crowdfunded. (also it was on an earlier version of the same game engine)

fringe grove
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Great way of thinking

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There may be technical limitations to private servers but we wouldn't know because the developers haven't told us that

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But I will also say that Age of Chivalry (a mod made by Torn Banner devs) had proximity chat 😭

nimble perch
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It's not like we're asking for some crazy new feature here... Just basic support for hosting 3rd party servers; which has always been the standard for any game with a server browser.

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fringe grove
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So offering players a chance of great comp play with the chance to earn cash playing a video game is elitist

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I’m done

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Also I don't think there's any elitism in the competitive scene

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All the clans are very welcoming and always want new members to train

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besides my own

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# tranquil heart Ya, we wouldn't dream of forcing duelist elitism into a game made for casual and...

chiv1 literally had 1v1, 2v2 dedicated game modes. this is a game where they made a combat system entirely moldable to someones creativity and skill/experience. why do u mock it calling it elitism? there are players in this game i will never beat and thats fine, i dont give them shit or tell em to go touch grass cause im salty. You should encourage all game modes to bring all types of players in, duelers, gankers, archers, barrel throwers, chicken chokers. all should be free to play the game how they want in the modes they want which can be done with private server options

young badge
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yeah the game is made for Team Objective but that doesn't mean other gamemodes weren't in mind. Duel Servers been around since day 1 from Chivalry 1

hidden jasper
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I feel your last line here was overlooked but it could be a very good point.

If some of the wonky server performance/hitreg we all occasionally experience isn't actually a server issue but is a problem with some of the under the hood stuff (netcode, memory leak etc) having players rent a server from a provider and get the same weird performance hitches could be a big headache for everyone.

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Again if they came out tomorrow and said "we are delaying this feature due to server performance" then I would be fine

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What dev wants to come out and say "Our shit doesnt work"

vast wolf
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Why do you think this is the largest thread?

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They want answers

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They are not wrong for wanting confirmation, even if you do say it is obvious

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It isn't obvious to me

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Well I hope they confirm it soon

young badge
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I would like that as well

vast wolf
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as someone said earlier, they are way past the time when private servers should of been launched, this entire game, respectfully devs that may be looking. Has had a 1 year delay, covid, launched with major issues, false promises, and has slowly been getting back on track, but if they take forever to give a gaming community the same features that most games have, esp its prequal game of 2012, then it def isnt a good look

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# tranquil heart Well I hope they confirm it soon

The devs were asked about private servers recently and they said "we have nothing to say" after over a year of radio silence. You could see how we would want some acknowledgment, right? Even if you disagree with their implementation

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I don't think the community is wrong for wanting to be acknowledged and have an official statement put out on the status of one of the most highly requested features

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vast wolf
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some of my best memories are the fuckery moments on chiv1 private servers. why would i not want the future chiv2 players to not share that experience or to carry tradition?

young badge
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yeah and even though Chivalry 2 doesn't have private servers, it is still influenced from the private servers of Chivalry 1

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Duel servers are a community made thing, the impromptu nature of flourishing and everything was all made by the players, not Torn Banner

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They simply showed their support by implementing it officially in Chivalry 2

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Maybe Chivalry 2 will create new and unique community experiences and traditions. It would be lovely to see

tranquil heart
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Its probably being discussed. Non-coders are like "We really need this feature" Back-end coders are like "Youre literally insane, get out of my office"

young badge
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They did that with crossplay parties

vast wolf
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how many indie games are still alive cuz of freedom to players? how many games from the 2000s are still alive cuz mod support, we may never get a chivalry3 and we may never need one, they can just do new factions and cosmetics for their own lore reasons but if they let the community just do workshop mods, make new maps, weapon skins, modes, etc, and supported us in those ways then this game can become a long lasting loved game, Chiv1 broke indie sale records, but i died after a couple years cuz of the issues of TB not listening to the entire community

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There you go, they are working on it

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vast wolf
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we could sit here and be like,,flail, bostaff, smoke pot, new maps, more new weapons, 2v2 mode, new 1v1 unique maps, classes icon on kd screen, heavy kick, alt throw for shield users, jump stab fix.....but no we just want server browser freedom....something they have done as a studio 10 years ago already

tranquil heart
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thought thats what you wanted

young badge
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well what I want is to explain to you the many reasons why people desire them and why they wanted information on the progress of the update

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to at least convince you of why it is not wrong to want that

vast wolf
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june 2021...oof..exactly we want to know after a year, wtf is going on with them

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What progress have they given on crossplay that has been so insightful ... ?

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they just push it back every patch

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Would you prefer it was just on the patch agenda, and got pushed back? So its equal with crossplay? chivpepe

vast wolf
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other entire indie games have been made in the time since they moved it to "we're working on it"

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fringe grove
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They pushed it back one time

young badge
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that's why I provided the screenshot. That screenshot is an example of them showing "hey, here's how it will look"

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again, that trivial interaction is important to most people here

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tranquil heart
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this is why context clues are an important part of life

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vast wolf
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i want this game to last long enough for all those things they are working on, get accpeted in a thriving community,

tranquil heart
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Just won as last druid #MakingCommunityThrive 😎

vast wolf
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Bump

pine totem
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with lemon and rico

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# pine totem can someone TLDR this argument

Most people want private servers and formally request Torn Banner to acknowledge the addition of and implementation of the feature. One dude says that private servers would negatively divide the player base and create toxic environments by proxy of server owners abusing power in unfair ways.

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But at the end of the day, most of us want private servers

pine totem
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that would be ironic

young badge
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There's more to it than just what I said but I tried to sum it up. Could read the whole thread if you want the full story

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I tried to better understand the arguments but I can only understand so much through text

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hidden jasper
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Focus on discussion, not attacking each other 🙂

pine totem
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i would never attack anyone I was just explaining a hypothetical scenario which i thought might be funny

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stray mirage
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“when”

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worn trench
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Dying game, neglected playerbase. Chiv 2 will be in its final resting place by this time next year.

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No sdk, no private servers. On top of no in game ranked system leaves only in game level, class level, weapon level, and progression tab- wait my progression tab has been completely wiped over 12 times!

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So progression tab is a pointless feature.

fringe grove
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Yea i dont think they understand. Oct is filled with triple a games coming out and the game has dropped to 3000 average players on steam.

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But they sold 2.2 million copies so who cares about the diehard community

patent fern
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50% loss per month

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I’d be curious about the epic numbers

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Also the Number of epic players who switched to steam

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That are in that 1k players

waxen canopy
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Epic was dying before Steam, 1/2 Empty game without jumping lobbies and the hope was Steam would save it. I said it wouldn't and look where we are now.

patent fern
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Also do free weekends count as a sale?

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The Game is being purchased

waxen canopy
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I doubt it, But who knows with how companies do accounting and PR these days

young badge
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It's been a few days now, and there is still no response to this thread. Simply disappointing, but not unexpected

worn trench
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I mean the standards are not just for us the standards for private servers and the sdk are necessary to maintain popularity

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In any game

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You can't succeed without giving the players a platform

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Thought that would be obvious but lol

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All games lose players over time

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The games without the ability to be creative and inspire new players become obsolete and obscure

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# worn trench I mean the standards are not just for us the standards for private servers and t...

Furthermore, we're only holding them to their own standards. We're not asking for anything that hasn't been done before by torn Banner with a smaller crew and a smaller budget. They're basically quadruple the size with millions of dollars in profit.

The saddest part is I genuinely believe that they have reinvested into the company and done their best to improve the state of the game, but alas we are still sitting here in radio silence

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How did torn Banner on a crowdfunded budget managed to have mod support, private servers in a previous version of the same engine we're working on now?

worn trench
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The mods have and the mods have been the only reason we can still have a comp scene but that isn't enough

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I'm sorry it just isn't

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worn trench
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Moon and connect have been kind enough to engage with us in the past but that has been a handful of times at best

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And Johnny

chilly quartz
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Right, I do think that the devs don’t communicate with the community enough especially when it’s such a niche market

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worn trench
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Chiv has the newest and most unique combat system in any slasher yet is falling short in almost every other aspect

hushed kayak
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Bruh

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hushed kayak
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@stray mirage the devs never responded before dont expect them to suddenly do it

worn trench
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Meanwhile I staff for a mod for the game squad called galactic contention which is a star wars mod. Basically a complete game overhaul.

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Like if all of the moderators just did the bare minimum of what is expected of them, then our competitive scene would crumble. Look at my most recent tournament that I hosted, it went terribly.

worn trench
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The devs do it for free out of their own time and are so engaged with the community

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Broken server, no moderator permissions so nothing could be done to make it go by faster, it was terrible

worn trench
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That's why it thrives

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Server health since steam release has been a joke

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Tournament servers are complete dogshit literally would rather have a mod kick randoms

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hushed kayak
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I used to be a cm on a good mod, but whenever i told the devs the community needs they ended up banning me

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I feel bad for those few developers

worn trench
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Gc has almost 30k people in the discord and a very active community that has many systems in place to help new players and share ideas

hushed kayak
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It thrived really well from me putting advertising layouts for old players to return and active times etc

worn trench
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And the only money they are legally allowed to take is for server upkeep since its official star wars names

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Then you have chiv 2 which sold over 2 million copies!

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And when I asked for specific game modes they can't even do that?

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Absolutely pathetic

worn trench
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The difference is massive it just all points to game sales over player retention

hushed kayak
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Im honestly disappointed on the servers dying so much

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worn trench
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Every time you join a tournament server ur progression gets wiped too

young badge
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I don't think that they only care about sales, but that is the only benefit to their strategies

hushed kayak
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They need to honestly pull the plug on the server hoster or get it resolved faster

young badge
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Like they're not going to increase player retention by releasing another free for all map. I'm sorry, but it won't work

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It's just a temporary Band-Aid, and a bad one at that

worn trench
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I heard through the grapevine they dropped server quality to make the money last longer (can't validate)

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But I mean it's not like there is that many players to begin with comparatively

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On top of the fact that the actual development of the game was supplemented by the producer and epic

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Overall it was a very lucrative game

worn trench
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2 million sales is an absolute massive chunk of change

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Any company would be ecstatic to sell that many copies

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worn trench
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The only companies that would be bad is like cod or ea but that is the .1%

young badge
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And again, that's combined with the fact that the initial budget of the game was supplemented by tripwire and epic

hushed kayak
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I dont like quantity over quality, quality makes a person love the game, and thats what people love. Unfortunely TB is more like uhh. Not even either one really.

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hushed kayak
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Add changes bugs appear

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Everything else is just buried under spaghetti

worn trench
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The only good thing about chiv at this point is the graphics and the new age combat system

hushed kayak
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And audio

worn trench
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The second a new slasher has the same and improves in any other category I cant say I'll play chiv anymore

worn trench
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They really cheaped out on tenosia in regards to audio

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I would agree before the tenosia update

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But the tenosia update seemed soooooo forced

young badge
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Like Mobius is launching with competitive 5v5 on day one

worn trench
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Is the combat like mord ans chiv 1 tho

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Mordhau combat

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but a little more unique

worn trench
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I love the chiv 2 combat system I think its genuinely a new evolution in the slasher genre

hushed kayak
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Mobius looks like a mord mod

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the only game to adopt Chivalry 2 combat is Expedition Agartha

worn trench
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It feels so real compared to mord and chiv 1

young badge
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and that game sucks rn

hushed kayak
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Can they at least change the name mobius

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Its so weird

worn trench
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But as a clan leader we have had to work so fucking hard to have competitive games that just isn't as feasible now as it was.

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I agree

worn trench
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We used to have multiple matches a week constantly

fringe grove
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On Bannerlords release. They have an option to create a clan in game because they understand their audience and the competitiveness of these type of games naturally

worn trench
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Now it's literally impossible

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worn trench
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I mean when you make a game that is centered around 20v20 combat or 32v32 that would mean that clans would be huge

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Bc thats what chiv 2 is yes there is dueling but the game is centered around TO

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they don't care about clans or competitive bro its a casual game 🤓

worn trench
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But the clan support is piss poor

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I agree with having the game easy to learn hard to master. It's how you get new players to stay

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remember in ChivalryMW where you could make your own unique heraldry? nah, just me?

worn trench
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But you have to have support for the committed players or the game will die

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fringe grove
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But they cater to a casual audience that drops a game after playing one time

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Look at the numbers they dropped from 27k players to 3 k since steam launch

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worn trench
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I personally hadn't opened chiv for 6 days when we played yesterday rico

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worn trench
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I have no desire to play when I have nothing to look forward to

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worn trench
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I still can't even party up woth my friends lol

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I still can't have my Xbox players in password servers

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There are core necessities guys

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Not an optional feature

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all of which are basic functionalities of any indie game

worn trench
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HOW CAN YOU LABEL YOUR GAME CROSSPLAY IF THE MOST YOU CAN DO IS LOOK AT EACH OTHER

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Like what lmfao

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worn trench
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That's pushing the boundaries for sure

fringe grove
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New content > Actually fixing and adding basic functionalities of the game.

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Makes no sense

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worn trench
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XD

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I mean the party system is still dogshit even for the people I play with on epic

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Has been since launch

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fringe grove
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Yea sorry that was sarcastic lol and I’m right there with ya

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vast wolf
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At the end of the day...chiv2 almost died once already. Now it's losing player base again. With 1k playing last night and the known fact PC clans alone have probably more then 1k of players total I think it's safe to say as bungee said the other day...we do hold a influence.
We love chiv but to blatantly disrespect your solid community player base that road out the tough times this entire year with you is not going to go well.
We are just trying to help the game remain strong and asking for the tools to do so.

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I still want to know where the hell our "community manager" is? The voice that doesn't represent us it seems.
I will be the first to say it....
We need someone who's involved in the game as a player who's respected and speaks to all players and offers help to new and OG ones

Torn banner should replace the current one with someone like Sotor Dave. I mean hell sotor dave is such a OG torn banner guy he still plays mirage.

sharp fiber
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Unless you're grabbing metrics from somewhere else.

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worn heart
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Ima just link this don't mind me

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Just another case of "player numbers are falling and I have all the answers"

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Honestly it makes more logical sense to appeal to casual players. The "Diehard" players are hopelessly addicted and will play anyway 😂

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More maps, more skins, more content. They are doin the right thing.

waxen canopy
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Aren't the casuals the 85% that left the game on Steam?

worn heart
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I can make a map in 2 hours lmfao like just youtube how to make maps in unreal engine... the only tutorial you'd need is itself only 3 hours long.... like I cant even make this shit up tbh

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sharp fiber
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Then you've got it already, show pics

worn heart
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Ok where

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sharp fiber
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Creative corner

worn heart
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Spent all of 10 minutes on it too xD

sharp fiber
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Wow, so you made all the textures and everything in 10 minutes too?

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That's very impressive

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No but TBS doesn't do that either and they got 80 employees lmfao

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sso pretty weird question imo

waxen canopy
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Where is the map at?

sharp fiber
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Yeah, I'm waiting for the map too

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I question TBS's priorities, but I'm far more interested in the prodigy child that is Jr showing all game devs that they're lazy, lmao

worn heart
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Its loading, my project file is way too big

worn heart
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keep in mind I only started working with unreal a month ago too its pretty sad

patent fern
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And also she is the CM for ark (supposedly) but I played ark for 3k hours over a long amount of years and I have never seen or heard about her once and the pvp side of game is completely dead and broken

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So must been a brand new thing I guess.

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Or she doesn’t interact much with community

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I still agree with your point that we should vote for a CM

sharp fiber
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We do get a lot of feedback from MoonMoon and Connect

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Yeah but it’s not connects job to do so, like we have a specific person to do that job

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If connect is doing more than her then well…..

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I talked to connect for like a hour last night it’s super appreciated but it’s not his responsibility

sharp fiber
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What is Connect's job? Both Connect and Moon seem pretty community-driven

waxen canopy
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I feel like Connect is just being a nice guy and trying to help. But inadvertently became the best CM

patent fern
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Connect said he was helping animations and hes a play tester

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Like he’s not community related in that sense he just does it on his own

vast wolf
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I don't mind being the guy who yall can throw under the bus for being rude I just want this game to last enough time to get the appreciation it deserves so if I'm here calling out people it's meant for the better of all.

Chiv1 had a community manager who I remember she would add people back she would always engage with em she also played every night she could to get feed back.

I never seen Jen once. And rumor was she played archer....which basically is her not being in the trenches with the boys seeing what goes on.

Idc if it cost someone their job. If she doesn't do it and the game has communication issue with the players and creativeness/devs the game will die and guess what. We are out of updates and torn banner is over.

I'll legit run a entire campaign for anyone who wants to be a community manager. I know many of you who have full time jobs, families and still dedicate time for FREE to the community.
Ffs BE better. We deserve better. This game was a step up combat wise but it's missing components that made chiv1 enjoyable

sharp fiber
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And MoonMoon? He was the one behind the recent community event?

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He’s involved in community relations somehow but idk his official title but yeah he’s on the dev stream with her

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I wish the Dev streams were good

patent fern
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I really don’t see why they don’t drop content separate from patches

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Like making a new skin a week or something can’t be that difficult while still dropping your October patch

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But if the war axe skin is coming sometime early 2023 I guess they don’t have the logistics to do so lol

worn heart
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I posted it, if y'all could point out any flaws for me to fix would be solid!

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vast wolf
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I don't see the logic behind their cosmetics
I'm pretty sure no one goes broke buying them. So they aren't making money off of them I got 500000 gold I'll probably never use

It would be better to just have the workshop open OR just let the community build em and submit em for torn banner to use. Hell offer them and do a split on Comission with the designer between them and torn banner.
Everyone wins and takes the stress off to focus in other things that drastically need development

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Hell tenosia is basically cosmetics. They have nothing unique about themselves. They could of taken the Viking skins and made a entire Viking faction too...they just aren't consistent in their ideas.

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# worn heart No but TBS doesn't do that either and they got 80 employees lmfao

they shouldnt be using assets like that at all though and instead stick with creating their own, 2nd although they got a lot of employees they arent all related to the same work. i think bad management is the issue on speed honestly or getting things passed around. the server issue for example is just lack of staff entirely seeing all the open spots

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The official servers are honestly unplayable right now. I could only connect to US east on my Epic account, and my steam account has massive stutters / latency issues.

Asking for private servers within any reasonable amount of time is completely insane. They have had over a year to stabilize the OFFICIAL servers, and its either been in a state of barely playable or completely unusable.

I can sympathize with them, because melee slashers inherently will have among the highest server strain of any genre out there, but then they add things like Horses in a barely stable environment. They clearly redesigned something with collision and hitboxes when horses released and the servers can't handle it. Every issue this game has EVER HAD has been a server issue. (Hit reg, projectiles ghosting, stuttering/teleporting, lag, incorrect region queues) Which is understandable. Not everyone can afford to hire the 500k google devs, but they honestly need highly skilled people to write code for a fledgling genre, or they need a **lot **of time to figure it out with junior developers.

Just make the game STABLE. People want smooth gameplay above ANYTHING else I can promise you that.

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Melee slashers are among the highest in server strain?

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# tranquil heart The official servers are honestly unplayable right now. I could only connect to ...

even if they made the quick play option stable, that falls back int othe issue of playing with friends. which if i am right and feel free to correct me, we were supposed to expand the 4 members per squad many months ago. but we still are stuck at 4, and it isnt cross play as promised.

server browser was the best way for them to fix that problem of joining friends taking stress away from the quick play and squad issue.......but here we are, and if we complain, we are ignored and we are told to be grateful. But its been 1.5 years, and we still are waiting for basic concepts done over a decade ago by the same company that was done AT launch with a much smaller budget...this is why we want answers

patent fern
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asking for private servers within any reasonable time is insane?

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I guess expecting an answer is insanity

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patent fern
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You don’t think waiting over a year for stuff like cross play isn’t insane when it was promised

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Thats why there are 80K devs, and 500K devs. The level of efficieny in the code written

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patent fern
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So we Just Never do anything for the rest of the games existence?

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You go back through every single line and increase efficiency of memory or calculation speed

patent fern
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It’s not like they didn’t make huge profit dude

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Yeah huge

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For their size of a company

vast wolf
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2.5 million sold right. lets do the math....

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Not in terms of computer engineering

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chump change

patent fern
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More than a enough to upgrade infrastructure

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Chump change

vast wolf
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the millions epic gave them for exclusive.....2.5 million times average cost of 30 per game

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vast wolf
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where did 75,000,000 go in 1.5 years to a indie game with a dev team of 20?

patent fern
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^

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75m is not chump change considering the budget they probably started with

worn heart
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TBS has a third party company handle their servers what are you even talking about my guy..

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Care to look up the average rent cost of an office building ?

vast wolf
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not to mention this all started after age of chivalry which was crowd funded chiv1 at 85,000

sharp fiber
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Note: Epic takes 12% of costs of sales, as do taxes. Then you have the dev team who have been spending X amount of years to create the game.

worn heart
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Everyone type in Chivalry 2 Server Provider on google real quick before you entertain this conversation

sharp fiber
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Then there's manufacturing and distribution costs

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Distruster costs also take a massive chunk. Steam takes 45% i believe

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off of the pre-tax income

patent fern
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45%

vast wolf
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steam didnt get involved until 1 year after, AFTER majority sales already happened

patent fern
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16k ppl bought the game on steam

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Well that was the peak

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Maybe slightly more

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Lets just admit that you see a big number, and want results, without actually accounting for how all those funds are spent

patent fern
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Like even if it was 30k

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75 mil? Chump change. Probably wasnt even 75 mil with sales , free copies ect

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I’m not saying they had liquid 75m or something they still profited and have obviously been paying their dues

vast wolf
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also if a company doesnt know how to do write offs for business expenses, i put that under a catagory of poor CFO

tranquil heart
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Computer developers cost a lot of money for a reason

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because its a supply and demand issue

patent fern
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I’m aware

vast wolf
patent fern
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So what do you suggest though

tranquil heart
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there are literally a handful of people on the planet that are actually masters at it

vast wolf
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pause for a moment

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@worn heart so whats this about, they finally making a effort?

tranquil heart
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If you had 60 people developing just another shitty ass FPS game there would be much different results, but you are asking for brand new solutions to brand new problems on a daily basis

vast wolf
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not brand new, mordhau and chiv1 have had this shit going for awhle plus other medevil games, for honor, war of roses, total war....

worn heart
tranquil heart
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Doom came out in 1993 dog

vast wolf
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hold on....

tranquil heart
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that genre has 30 years on this one

patent fern
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So then they have no money to build better coding and software and so I guess there’s no point in expecting anything?

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Is that your point

tranquil heart
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its brand new

vast wolf
tranquil heart
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It takes forever

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# vast wolf

That’s for private servers, they already use the service for official

vast wolf
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but then go back to the idea i mentioned before which was done inchiv1 before, open the game up to workshop and let us handle cosmetics, focus ALL devs into hardcore game issues

sharp fiber
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Coding takes time. Especially when handled between multiple people. One thing breaks another if handled wrong early on into development

vast wolf
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people built amazing maps in chiv1

patent fern
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I’m not saying it’s easy by any stretch but it’s been over a year to show nothing of which much was promised.

tranquil heart
patent fern
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Like stuff was promised and dated to come and then never came so we just say ok no problem?

tranquil heart
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Modders cant fix stability issues, they dont have access to source code. SDK's expose source code to modders to manipulate, which is why its the final step usually

patent fern
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You don’t think ppl have any merit to ask questions

worn heart
vast wolf
tranquil heart
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1.5 years is nothing on a project of this scale

patent fern
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We aren’t asking them to rush coding or something we just want a answer

vast wolf
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you know what bugged me the most after launch, after all the shit that wasnt working and problems they had, they couldnt even just say :we apologize for the issues:

patent fern
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This forum is asking for a timeline not that it’s not here

worn heart
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I thought I was being unfair, so I got into game development, in the same engine as them… and it’s worse than I thought tbh

sharp fiber
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Juggling crossplay I imagine has been a heck for versioning in general too.

vast wolf
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this is a small community of commited players, we would understand if they just explain the situation, hell we would even lend help if they needed it, dont forget, mordhau was made by chiv1 players who got tired of TB and saw a oppertunity

sharp fiber
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Especially since consoles have strict rules on applying updates

patent fern
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The issue is that let’s say it takes another year with the same stagnant game and many few updates , the game is gonna be a lot smaller than now

worn heart
patent fern
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So that’s why ppl ask when will stuff arrive (that was promised)

tranquil heart
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In an FPS game you don't need exact player position. In this game you do. You need to manage exchanges back and forth, which is honestly insane when multiplied by 64 times in a server.

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FPS games are just you hit or you don't, with simple ass tracers

patent fern
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I don’t even care if they say it’s not coming in 2023 like that’s atleast something, even if it’s bad “pr” ppl gonna quit from no communication regardless

sharp fiber
vast wolf
tranquil heart
patent fern
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What PR people

tranquil heart
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honestly, silence is probably the play

patent fern
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?

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That’s the issue , who are we talking about

tranquil heart
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TB is a company, not all of them are coders. People manage the social media, the decision making, they manage the overall goals of the different teams of coders. Its a decision makers job to tell you or not

vast wolf
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PR? ffs our own community manager took a entire clan and commited players to make a reddit post go viral to get her to let console players in duels for server browser...why do we need to unite for a simple message in a community this small....if she cant hear us its cause shes making zero effort to

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#sotordaveforCM

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# tranquil heart honestly, silence is probably the play

they cant stay silent in a small community cause reviews and referals from friends will speak for themselves. they have a very small social media following, all they are doing is avoiding confrontation and making people think the game is dying....

worn heart
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This games just been stressful lately idk

patent fern
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Like this entire forum of rico, bungee, and zeek is literally talking about the reality that the people who should be interacting and filling us in are not (community manager) this forum is days old and there’s been no response. And if you say someone is making the decision to stay silent then that’s just a terrible idea. How many people probably play this game in total? 30k? 20k? Silence and waiting for literally the next 6 months is gonna make ppl leave obviously

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October update we get a new map and 2 weapon changes

vast wolf
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rainbow six siege this shit with operation health

patent fern
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And there’s no roadmap so I guess we wait again till February for no news again

tranquil heart
sharp fiber
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I'll tell you one thing. When private servers exist, I'm gonna make a nice one for you lot.

patent fern
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The community manager set this up so we could have feedback

tranquil heart
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People just want the game to WORK first and foremost

patent fern
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It was her idea

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Allegedly

vast wolf
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open private servers, Let the lovers of this game, help keep the player base entertained with leagues, tounreys, constant fights, new game modes...while we do that, focus all energy on the game issues and bugs thath ave been postponed for a year

sharp fiber
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I'm pretty sure they just wanted to leverage the new forum capabilities of Discord

vast wolf
worn heart
vast wolf
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as someone said before, they ttold us "she is off sundays"

patent fern
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Idgaf how many people see this if the few that do are the developers and are interested in actually helping

tranquil heart
patent fern
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Yeah the discord mods told me that

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What image do they have elbow?

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Of already not delivering

tranquil heart
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they definitely have the reputation of not having a stable server

patent fern
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So we wait for over a year to fix nothing?

worn heart
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They could literally change providers

tranquil heart
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its been an issue since launch

patent fern
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Ok let’s say they fix it in 2023

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Then what? There’s still no communication

vast wolf
patent fern
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People won’t stay

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If they cared about their reputation the community manager would be on damage control duty all day

vast wolf
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TB has a rep thats already shaky among its player base, i was happy they got other studios involved but yet here i am just seeing the same TB problems from chiv1

patent fern
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When was the last Q&A? The dev stream? People got timed out for asking about private servers

tranquil heart
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Adding maps , skins, and weapons is an entirely different team than the people who work on the servers. Adding private servers would absorb the time of people who should be optimizing the stability of the game, which can take years, and depends highly on the skill of the people doing it

vast wolf
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vast wolf
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you cant silent someone who has that much respect among your player base

patent fern
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If clan leaders left the game I mean idk that’s a huge portion of the community

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vast wolf
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it wasnt even like he was asking a inappropriate question or something disrespectful

patent fern
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Yeah ^

vast wolf
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KO abandoned the game basically 2 months into launch cause it was a shit show, they averaged 20-30 ppl on a night.....

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patent fern
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Like if Lk Just gave up ( no intention on doing so) I’d be pretty bored

worn heart
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So don’t say anything lol

young badge
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they didn't. they said they have no comment

patent fern
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Which goes back to what bungee said that the discord mods didn’t understand

worn heart
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Why’d they mute him tho

patent fern
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Idk

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in the twitch chat

vast wolf
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vast wolf
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its not hard giving a answer without a answer

patent fern
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Voting on a community manager would be a step in right direction

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patent fern
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Someone who is atleast in touch with what’s going on

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vast wolf
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cody, sotor dave, even quesi, hell bungee is basically living on here...and all do care about the games growth and community

young badge
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HOWEVER they should be involved with Jen and Jen SHOULD be speaking to them regularly

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It's common sense

vast wolf
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what has she done....

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patent fern
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Like ark?

young badge
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Yes

worn heart
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Community Representatives facts ima do that on my server right now thank you Dave! 🙏

patent fern
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The most dog shit ran game Ive played

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patent fern
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With 0 help from devs

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patent fern
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Same issues since years ago

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I have 3k hours in it

vast wolf
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yea thats great, i can put spaghetti sauce and a slice of cheese on a bagel, it doesnt mean i can make pizzas for a living

patent fern
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Never heard of her in my life

young badge
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They never told her to interact with us

patent fern
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It’s not all on her either like yeah we tend to badmouth the role but seriously 0 communication?

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Even if her hands are tied can just say that

worn heart
vast wolf
worn heart
vast wolf
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i still dont understand her actual job, does she just hop on once a month and read filtred comments during one feed then fuck off for the next 29 days?

young badge
# worn heart What do they want her to do?

She does a great job with the dev streams and she makes them very professional and presentable. She brings the community relatively decent information on a regualr, consistent schedule and keeps us updated on important things happening.

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What she does TERRIBLY is not interact with us in any meaningful way

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But Torn Banner might not want her to

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That isn't her fault.

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I hope

vast wolf
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honestly

patent fern
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Talking about map atmosphere and also avoiding communication questions to me is not cohesive

worn heart
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Fair enough, I still feel more people in similar roles might help tbh

vast wolf
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actually ill DM u this

young badge
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Jen seemingly can't do it on her own or the studio isn't interested in having her interact with us

patent fern
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If the comp scene died who would push for answers though

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Just in general

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I believe yeah maybe there should be more than 1 community manager

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She’s the scapegoat currently but she isn’t helping herself

worn heart
young badge
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through public events and overall interaction with the community

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patent fern
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Maybe also managing multiple games is strenuous

young badge
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very easy to handle

patent fern
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Like ark has more players probably

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And it’s just as if not worse than chiv 2

vast wolf
worn heart
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Don’t like reposting but feel it’s appropriate here: If you ask me it shouldn't be one person doing it all, like there should be a discord community manager, TBS has more than enough money, and doing so would make them even more in the long run

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patent fern
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If this thread doesn’t get any feedback or anything then there’s seriously no point in asking anything anymore

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Wait for the bimonthly dev stream to hopefully get 3 questions answered

worn heart
young badge
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I was joking

worn heart
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Oh I get it lmfao

vast wolf
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eh ill remove those to avoid victim bs

patent fern
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Thought someone did a sweep lol

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Packed zeek up

vast wolf
patent fern
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Yeah seriously

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I’ve seen moonmoon in lk discord quite a few times

worn heart
patent fern
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And streaming with brwn

vast wolf
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its out of line but its the truth

worn heart
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hidden jasper
young badge
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he actually plays. unfortunately, it seems like his word has very little influence on the development of the game

patent fern
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But yeah if this forum which was put in place by the community manager doesn’t get any recognition then idk

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Wrap it up

young badge
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it does, supposedly. they say that they read them and I believe them

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but they don't seem interested in formulating a response to any of the feedback

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even the most popular

vast wolf
patent fern
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At a certain point though zeek there’s better things to do sadly

vast wolf
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honestly, i gave dave a simple example of a bullshit answer, its been 4-5 days.......they cant even give us a basic "we heard u and we will respond soon"

patent fern
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Like I’m newer to everything and I’m sure you’ve already been doing this side of things for over a year

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And realistically what is there to show for it

vast wolf
patent fern
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They can spend the rest of the day ignoring it too though lol

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I give it like 6 months and if there’s no communication still then idk

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We will see

vast wolf
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and then in 5 months we will see another youtuber with a new video "why chiv2 failed"

patent fern
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I’m sure the comp scene can organize something together

vast wolf
# patent fern We will see

summers over, now is the best time to launch private servers no more hot girl summer to distract us all

vast wolf
patent fern
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Yeah but can do the opposite and not host anything for a while

vast wolf
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even duel servers are getting groups of guys going in and just ganking people and they cant get enough votes to kick em out then after the vote fails they cant be voted again...

patent fern
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Oh ik

vast wolf
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then the comp scene dies and u lose alot of players cause they get bored and find another game

patent fern
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Already happening

vast wolf
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remember chiv2 when elden ring came out....🦗

patent fern
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Like fifa and cod coming out very soon

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More games to spend my free time on personally

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Although I love chiv but it’s dry

vast wolf
# patent fern Although I love chiv but it’s dry

i dont need to be a cracked player, but the fact that i can look at my discord screen, read someones message and fight someone in game with just the blur from the corner of my eye and be automatic and still win......yes the games getting dry

patent fern
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I just think our criticality is warranted and isn’t anything extreme

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Our fault for caring I suppose

vast wolf
patent fern
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Quite a few

vast wolf
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how do u think players will react over time with all those issues never been answered or resolves over time and knowing that the company who, remind u, this isnt COD, they see whats being said about them, and chose to ignore their player base

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again, this is how mordhau came to exist....they ignored a player base and players said fuck it, we can do it ourselves

hushed kayak
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really hurts man

worn heart
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I’m on my 2nd warning already

vast wolf
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then after mordhau, ubi launched for honor, and that game pushed slasher games to a new popularity despite its issues, chiv2 could of piggy backed off that and really blown up...but imo their marketing team have to be first year community college grads...

young badge
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For Honor isn't like Chivalry at all. It's more of a fighting game

hushed kayak
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Ok found out hm, its 30%

vast wolf
young badge
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ok

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I'm just at the point where I just suggest what I believe would take 0 development time and would improve the game because I know they have no time or labor to spend on actually making the game better

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I'm like "buff quiver" or "change this to work like this"

hushed kayak
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Steam takes a 30% cut of the profits, which we see as unreasonably high, and leaving us developers with not much after the 5% transaction costs, 20% VAT and ~25% income tax deductions.

young badge
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and they still can't do that, typically

patent fern
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I think if this game did do better and had like 50k monthly players it would be very different

worn heart
patent fern
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I think they’d care

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But the fact it’s not that many seems maybe like a waste of time

vast wolf
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sotor dave does more for this game marketing and community wise then the entire team at tb....

patent fern
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Which is counter productive

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yeah

vast wolf
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he makes training videos, offers training, every clan pushes clips on social media of them fighting

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TB releases one trailer with a entire team, once a quarter...

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the 'dev diaries' lmao

hushed kayak
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I release vids daily chivsip

vast wolf
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and im not trying to just blow smoke up daves ass, but everyone knows its true

patent fern
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I don’t understand why the CM manages multiple games

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Why not just 1

young badge
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who knows

hushed kayak
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Why not multiple managers

vast wolf
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i will never forgive torn banner for ignoring the community on chiv1 and having it die out then deciding to launch workshop maps when it was too late... all i ever wanted was one epic battle at helms deep in chiv and growing up was realizing i never will

worn heart
vast wolf
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i would of rather paid for 20 maps, then deadliest warrior, but instead they focused their main attention on a arcadic game

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that was dope

hushed kayak
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Before when I was removed as CM on a mod group we had 2 more

patent fern
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But they realize their failures right?… right?

vast wolf
patent fern
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Can avoid what happened to chiv 1

hushed kayak
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Kept shit more organized

vast wolf
worn heart
patent fern
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You really just need 1 committed person

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Multiple would help but 1 is manageable

hushed kayak
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You could also get community cms, ones that arent paid but pass more information to important devs as game regulars

patent fern
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If they actually do what’s required

worn heart
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For all the platforms and people? I feel like it could be overwhelming tbh

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patent fern
worn heart
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Yeah that’ll be my voted community representatives! People like how Dave is here

patent fern
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And they relay it

young badge
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they could do thousands of things, but what is extremely disappointing is they instead do nothing

patent fern
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With the October update we are getting a new map and like 3 skins

young badge
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2 new skins

patent fern
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And 2 weapon changes

young badge
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not three

hushed kayak
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Nonsense they do a lot, you guys expect a lot from a new small indie company that is clearly independent chivclown

worn heart
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Just know all this feedbacks going somewhere atleast!

patent fern
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I thought it was like 2 knights and a vanguard

hushed kayak
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has publisher >has 80 members

vast wolf
hushed kayak
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<small update after summer... delaying crossplay

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patent fern
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Cross play has not date either so expect it like mid 2024 because not even the war axe is coming till early 2023

hushed kayak
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I already seen two unshown armour sets

vast wolf
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go look at the steam workshop one day...look at the amazing things player made that never will get appreciated....
https://steamcommunity.com/app/219640/workshop/

Steam Community :: Chivalry: Medieval Warfare

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare - CHECK OUT CHIVALRY 2https://store.steampowered.com/app/1824220/Chivalry_2/About the GameBesiege castles and raid villages in Chivalry: Medieval Warfare, a fast-paced medieval first person slasher with a focus on multiplayer battles. Featuring competitive online combat that seeks to capture the experience of truly bei...

worn heart
hushed kayak
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The sets wont release till like

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Map wise updates

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Like the upcoming snow one

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Has a really cool set

worn heart
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Tripwire and Deep Silver!

hushed kayak
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I dont get why they rely on players reporting the connection issues often

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Do they not have dev testers?

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I assume everyone wouldve grabbed those jobs already

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Since all you do is q&a and test

young badge
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good mods

patent fern
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So they are capable of delivering on content

vast wolf
hushed kayak
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Imagine a warhammer mod

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Fighting off chaos+orc hordes

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Private servers would increase modding support suggestions

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a much more successful game

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that was mean, but oh well

vast wolf
# young badge that was mean, but oh well

glad for him, maybe he can use that money and buy out tor nbanner at this rate cause i dont see them selling more copys if they cant even make a simple response....

young badge
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they have exhausted most of their sales options. sponsored pretty much every single youtuber on earth (besides the ones who play their game regularly) and released on every platform

hushed kayak
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I still think its more of a bad management problem

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who knows

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they don't seem to want to talk to us

vast wolf
patent fern
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Both

hushed kayak
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I think realistically they just dont wanna admit wrongs and also cause team conflicts as well not looking bad.

patent fern
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Talking in discord to them obviously doesn’t work though so we gotta switch it up somehow

hushed kayak
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Last week it was pretty critical that devs did respond more in general over negatives

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but again we couldn't know. they won't tell us

vast wolf
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nah let conflicts ensue, fuck the kumbaya bullshit, call eachothers issues out, let em fight the fustration out with LARP foam weapons and let us all put bets on who wins, then when they are done fighting, losers work double shift until their issues are solved

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or maybe they just always drinking during work cause u know, their for hire ad talked about the close by liquor store...and thats why they keep fucking up the coding

patent fern
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lol

hushed kayak
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I think people should criticize wrongs and disappointments, but we shouldnt overdo it as in harassment or straight insultive

patent fern
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No one has been insulting as of yet

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But yeah it’s definitely foreseeable

vast wolf
hushed kayak
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Someone insulted the music devs in the stream over it before.

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Like audio devs are audio. No need to get aggressive on em over other issues. They wont have answers

patent fern
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I do believe everything is somewhat too soft but yeah I also think being insulting isn’t beneficial for us

hushed kayak
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We need to continue criticizing issues and getting disappointed on actual remaining issues just as major bugs. So tbs actually is made to improve. Insultive wont get far besides causing issues on both sides

vast wolf
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i mean sure but it will carry over among the community and future tor nbanner projects about how little fucks they give about their player base and chivalry is the only blood line they have since deadliest warrior and mirage failed

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one trick ponies shouldnt bite the hands that feed em

patent fern
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I’m of the opinion that we owe the devs nothing - not that they owe us nothing

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People that think they owe us nothing to me are lost

hushed kayak
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Thats why people shouldnt be too protective of tbs either on small things or avoid it. Like cool reunforced has no helm bug fixed but it has disappointments on lack of any real progress. Delaying the crossplay

patent fern
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Why try to sell a product and not appeal to the customer

hushed kayak
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Like i criticized them often, but was told. Dont worry they have 70 staff

patent fern
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In total yeah

hushed kayak
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Months later we get reinforced progress

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Probably 30 devs

hushed kayak
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It was bad in total

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I welcome the fixes but it was dreadful the low amount

patent fern
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Anyways I’m over this stuff

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Hopefully this thread gets a response but it’s beating a dead horse atm

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patent fern
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Just a further tab away than where it was originally

hushed kayak
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I told the mods, if the devs stick with zero response wise. Itll get worse

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Months later it did

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Its not like tlthe comm wants a response daily just a actual regular response on the thoughts of it

young badge
young badge
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Easier to do, and appeases the fans much better. Also frees up time for Jen to work on other things

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And trust me there is LOTS to do

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So if she has more time to work on other aspects of community management, in theory things could get better

hushed kayak
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I think qnas would help. But it could stress the devs a fair bit early on. I think the main focus is convincing some devs to influence the team more and more from increased criticism and awareness

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I think last week is went to a tipping point that was needed

young badge
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If you procrastinate and don't do any of your homework, you have to make it all up

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it doesn't just go away

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so once they start answering questions consistently, the flow will be more manageable

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simple

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imagine finally accepting questions after a YEAR. no duh it'll be a lot of questions

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but if you take questions every week, probably won't be that bad at all after a month or two

hushed kayak
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If you put a dev straight up on stream with a critical community. Quite a few issues could occur and backfire on the community. QnA streams should be done but more after they do it here. Its like putting moonmoon in a spotlight and having insane pressure

young badge
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just do it as a reddit post or discord forum

hushed kayak
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It cant be reddit in my opinion

young badge
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fine, then do it on a discord forum

patent fern
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Simply use the Q&A section on discord called ask a dev

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Like it already exists rn

hushed kayak
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Too much negative avoiders in reddit

patent fern
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They are aware of the big questions anyway

young badge
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have you ever been on the Renown Discord?

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They have a qna channel and somehow devs just answer EVERY SINGLE QUESTION

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they get hundreds of questions a day and yet they answer every single one

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Now Torn Banner doesn't have to do that, but I'm just saying it's totally feasible to do something like a weekly qna

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and have the Helpers/Moderators filter the questions

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so that way the devs get a streamlined list of high quality questions

hushed kayak
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I know a great development team and game that has the owner with iver 88k disc messages from answering in suggestions

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Community is extremely positive for it and great

young badge
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this goes back to again they can do this and that and those but the unfortunate reality is they don't do anything at all

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literally anything, any option would be an improvement

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because currently we have zero interaction with the people who make decision on the game we play

hushed kayak
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Thats why we just keep trying honestly. No more "i just play the game to cut heads bro its worth the money stop complaining on bugs"

young badge
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lmao

hushed kayak
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If you love the game fine thats ok, but literally accept criticism of improvements

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Want updates

young badge
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I think that's all we have to say on the matter. Is there much else to discuss?

hushed kayak
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vast wolf
# worn heart Yeah they just keep saying no to moats tho

I built a giant deep ass trench /moat around my base in 7daystodie many years ago. It worked amazing until a hacker came in flying around with a fully automatic rocket launcher and ruined it.
Just a random story about we can't ever have anything nice because people are trash

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My friends won’t buy the game until private servers and or horde mode is added, and I’m not surprised if there are more people like that who have been reluctant about purchasing in chiv2’s current state.

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lol

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west depot
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Not sure why there seems to be a hatred for console players as a pc player, especially for a game like chivalry. In actuality, console players are the ones whom usually are demolished and insulted by those on pc.

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# west depot Not sure why there seems to be a hatred for console players as a pc player, espe...

Chiv1 and TBS were focused on PC only. if i remember right, basically once TB started losing grip of the PC comp community and its player base, they went to console for new players just before making mirage. which lead to alot more issues.
Games are for everyone (except mobile games you ad whored out data giving sad excuse for gamers, if i ever hear the clashof clans song on your phone, trust everything you say to me about gaming is as important to me then the schedule of a shrimp in the pacific ocean)
PC players tend to be more long time players in certain games, and console players are just, ADHD bandwagon game junkees.
there are many pc games from 10-20 years ago are still enjoyed today and chiv had the ability to do that but lacked the commitment and vision for it
also its like a parent who has a child who is independent useful and has value, yet instead puts all its attention on the 1 year old who eats drive way chalk while the parents take photos of it cause how cute lil tommy looks with blue teeth. then the parents will wonder why the older child suddenly starts protesting. the older child will realize what really matters to the parents so they start acting dumb too. in the end, we are all just a bunch of dumbasses eating chalk looking for attention

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but then again this is torn banner and chivalry 2....console and PC are all getting screwed from the posts ive been reading, i just wish someone could call child protective services

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All games want the widest possible market

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It’s just not always feasible from a development point of view

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It’s nothing to do with attention or any form of loyalty to a platform

vast wolf
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Spiderman.
God of War
Halo
Metal gear
Gears of war

glacial verge
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Yeah that’s Microsoft and Sony throwing money to get games on their platforms

vast wolf
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Dota
Half life
League of legends
Warcraft

glacial verge
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Again you don’t understand the hassle to get games on multiple platforms

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If you’re making games for just consoles that’s great

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Makes shit super easy

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You got 1 set of hardware to make it work

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No technical issues

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No performance issues

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1 set of controls

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You can make the game fit the console

vast wolf
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My point is they could of just focused on pc. They went to console cuz they shit their player base and needed more profits

glacial verge
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They went to console because cross platform is far far easier to do now

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Chivalry 1 was on consoles if you remember

vast wolf
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Once console got involved there became more issues

vast wolf
glacial verge
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Calm down

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There’s no reason to get heated

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And no that’s not when it went to console

vast wolf
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With that note u lost my Interest cuz u haven't made a strong argument. Nah I'm not mad.dont try to make this into what it isn't. U just got exposed for being a half wit. Begone peasent 🤣

glacial verge
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What?

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What are you even arguing lol

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You made a claim based off of information you weren’t clear on

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I wanted to make it clear

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Hell saying that they only put CMW on console because of the player numbers dropping is just straight up wrong

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It was in 2014-2015

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That was peak chivalry right there

vast wolf
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You're a mod who's replying to a comment without reading the comment in full. Then making allegations like your doing something. For real how are you a mod. Nothing you done in this chat has been consistent or positive for a damn near week 🤣

glacial verge
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Look at steam charts

vast wolf
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I lived those days. When it went to console the community on chiv1 was basically dead

glacial verge
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Well the size had grown since 2013

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So it went from extra dead to just dead?

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But still technically dead?

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We have to define dead here

vast wolf
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Barely anyone played anymore. It's why they shifted focus to mirage shortly after

glacial verge
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I mean at that point it’d been 3 years

vast wolf
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Extra dead to just dead...ok we are done here. Your reaching to make points that are as senial as you. Good day sir

glacial verge
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And 5 years between cmw and mirage coming out

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Sounds reasonable to me

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It’s also spelt senile

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If you’re going to insult me spell it right dammit

vast wolf
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So games just pop out? Doesn't take 1 to 2 years to make em?

glacial verge
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Yeah it’s why I said 3 years

vast wolf
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Using spelling to win a argument us just distracting that your actual argument is weak

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Were u here for that shit show console launch in chiv1?

glacial verge
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I don’t know why this needs to be heated

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I preordered the game in 2012

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I wonder when lemon is going to get in a conversation instead of an argument

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vast wolf
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Well I apologise for missing that bit of information

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glacial verge
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I didn’t expect this

vast wolf
glacial verge
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You came up with a theory

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I criticised the theory

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I don’t see the problem here

vast wolf
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As you apologized for already. You criticized a theory without educating yourself with my entire post

glacial verge
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Even with that information fully understood now i still stand by what I said

vast wolf
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If you're going to make a argument on a recipe, get all your ingredients first

glacial verge
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That I don’t think TBS made the console versions because PC for CMW was dying

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It remained consistent for 2 years

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Actually I’m wrong

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It grew very slightly over that 2 years

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Then dropped off hard in 2016

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Way after the console releases

vast wolf
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I remember when they did it. Cause everyone was pissed

glacial verge
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Yes that’s what birthed mordhau

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Lot of people were pissed with the direction of cmw balance

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They went off to make their own game

vast wolf
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It was one of the final straws that made us realize Steve Piggott didn't give a shit about his active players

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People love chiv but hate torn banner cause torn banner has repeatedly shown its negligence for its own community while it brags about being a gofundme start up

glacial verge
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Nobodies perfect

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And believe me I have my grievances

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Especially about how servers are handled

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The way matchmaking works

vast wolf
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No. But maybe work on the game we paid you to build and paid to play

glacial verge
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Why we still don’t have private servers

vast wolf
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He literally is the meme for "you had one job"

patent fern
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Lemon how’d you become a mod

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What’s the requirements

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@glacial verge

glacial verge
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Right now there's a form to fill in

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Contact chivmail for it

patent fern
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So anyone can become mod

glacial verge
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More or less

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Clan members aren't automatically excluded

hushed kayak
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Im pretty sure its low or no warnings, active, and trust worthy to it

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But ye pretty much like that anywhere

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Also can we stop with the dumb talk over lemon representing tornbanner. Bro just represents them through stopping rule breakers. Not anything else.

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Lemon is not a spokes person hired by them on development or history

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hushed kayak
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I wonder when they acknowledge this thread. If they do

hushed kayak
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I have seen 2 devs join in so far the thread

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But not commented

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As they said in the dev stream, they have nothing to say

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No comment

hushed kayak
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Maybe when they comment next time in general we could bring it up there

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Or suggest a qna forum

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Like, they totally see this thread. They know it exists. They just refuse to acknowledge it

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That's the problem

hushed kayak
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They are probably waiting for a main devs response for it

young badge
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It's extremely unfortunate that it takes them over a year to formulate a response

hushed kayak
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Its been like a week since this thread was posted and even got major criticism on the topic. They never responded to feedback in the first place

young badge
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They haven't responded to any of the feedback

hushed kayak
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I just said that

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They've logged it, and they know it exists

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They're not oblivious

hushed kayak
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Theres a comment of mine in here somewhere, i said that private servers are probably not in their current interest so they never really made a response for devs like moonmoon to respond to the community

young badge
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One can only hope that things improve.

hushed kayak
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Maybe in a week they'll have something to respond. If not then they are going to just hurt themselves from community targeting devs awfully.

young badge
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But before they do, more members of the community will quit and the player count will consistently decline

young badge
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That lack of awareness disturbs me

hushed kayak
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I care for the lower devs the most as they are completely innocent and wait for the main team to approve on things

young badge
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I concur

sharp fiber
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Lower devs?

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They don’t help themselves by arguing with the player base though.

hushed kayak
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Like audio devs

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Texturers etc

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Like Moon Moon and Connect just trying to enjoy themselves playing a video game and then they get harassed (by me as well) on the state of the game

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It's just the unfortunate reality of there literally being no one else to talk to

patent fern
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If only there was a job title of someone who represents the community

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So essentially they don't get to enjoy the game that they helped develop in any meaningful way. They can't be a part of the community without being harassed

hushed kayak
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And if it gets ignored too long. Certain people can get more aggressive and cause those certain devs to stress

patent fern
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They should stress

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And even quit

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It's been beaten into the ground

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Oh ik

hushed kayak
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Its like halo infinites cycle rn

patent fern
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Terrible communication

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Lack of content

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Yeah.

hushed kayak
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Yeah community then gets more mad the more they are ignored, then devs that arent doing issues get blamed, they stress, some quit, then the main body gets blamed etc

patent fern
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Well if the devs stress and quit are the players to blame

hushed kayak
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How bad does it have to get for players to warrant that response

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I'll suggest some feedback to hopefully assist them in community engagement

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Its the company to blame for ignoring it

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And their fault for hurting those developers who werent involved in the issues

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🤷

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Nearly 2k comments should speak to the commitment of the people

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And 99.9% are constructive and not insults

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hushed kayak
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Kinda long

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Also was gonna do that but not streams, just a straight up QnA nonstream forum

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Hell maybe make a suggestion over just asking more dev responses in here xD

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Straight to the point

young badge
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That would be too blunt for them

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Would probably get removed

hushed kayak
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Why would it

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Its a straight up suggestion, like saying add byzantine styled armour please with a picture

patent fern
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Post as is is fine

hushed kayak
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It looks really long on mobile

young badge
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I wrote a lot

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I needed to get the message across. Why there's a problem, what the solution is, and a final call to action

patent fern
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Long Is Good

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Pause

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⏸️

patent fern
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Ok resume

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▶️

patent fern
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The post covers every aspect of the issue so

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Good to me

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!!!

young badge
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I can honestly write more but I kept it short

hushed kayak
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no like

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the message on mobile

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stretches like 50 scrolls for me

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because it goes like this

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H
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L
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I could go in detail on a multi-faceted structured system that would allow them to properly maintain a q&a on a bi-weekly basis

hushed kayak
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i dont know why

young badge
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That's odd. It's not that long

hushed kayak
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LMAO

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Restart app

hidden jasper
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Doesn’t look like that to me lol

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# hidden jasper oh

What do you think, Yurik? Are you and the other helpers willing to maintain a bi-weekly q&A by streamlining the question process for the development team?

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Yeah mine looks normal, that looks way funnier

hushed kayak
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still does it on my end xD

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must be a phone type to software issue

hidden jasper
hushed kayak
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Yurik represents tornbanner

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Hell, I'm pretty sure every single Clan member would help if they could

hushed kayak
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modding aint easy, you gotta like

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right click

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and click mute role or ban

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tough work

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# hushed kayak modding aint easy, you gotta like

Well what I'm presenting would take quite a bit of work. You would have an open q&A and then you would have a team of individuals who eliminate all of the copy questions or low quality questions

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That could take a few hours

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kinda wonder if mods are allowed to heavily criticize tornbanner ngl

young badge
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You can also have a system that just simply only accepts 100 questions or so and then has people voting on the most important questions that they want answered

hushed kayak
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i havent seen mods really go extra far on it

young badge
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That would be easier. But then you would have the possibility of having questions not get answered that are important

hushed kayak
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some disagreements but not in a major way

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hushed kayak
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Idk if its a mod rule or they just perfer to avoid it personally

patent fern
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If they’re modding for the discord then I doubt they’d be too critical

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Kinda seems counter productive

hushed kayak
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yeah but i feel like a mods opinion should always be heard though without the fear of maybe losing the role or what not. after all doing that helps suggestions get across

hidden jasper
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I encourage people to be critical, as long as they're constructive 🙏

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Damn straight

vast wolf
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if a actual discord mod here in chiv2 takes their time to reply to me, they are still a mod in this discord thus represent THIS discord, so yea i have no problem going at them for that reason

idk connect, i played with moonmoon a couple times, and im aware they hate being bombarded, i think once i questions moon in LKs discord, that was it, he ignored my DM one day and i am 100% okay with that cause i understand their stress.

those 2 guys dont make up TB. Most of this chat has been aimed at the false title of jen being a community manager when she hasnt really done shit as a mouth piece for us to TB or for TB to us. there are ways to answer questions without answering them and being professional, and they dont even have the respect to give us a politician answer, so i have 0 respect for her currently. They said she was enjoying her weekend off, guess what, its now entering wednesday, this has been up for 5 days? its constantly active, highest thumbs up, highest comments, yet she hasnt even looked in here. this is her literal idea to create this feedback thread. accountability matters.

Devs got alot going on and im happy connect and moon play the game and are active enough to understand our fustration. im not here cracking the whip telling them to get back to work when i see em in VC. We all want to enjoy the game and in the end, everyone here wants the game to do well. we just want answers.

glacial verge
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They’ve definitely looked

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If they haven’t got a response they don’t give one

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They have to realise that that’s a bad idea

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A simple acknowledgement goes a long way

hushed kayak
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They need to respond still. Leaving it how it is will make it worse

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I told you guys months earlier, if the community isnt given at least basic responses + actual ones later on they will get more fustrated

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You cant keep it on a dev stream only thing

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Take ur time to come up with a response but still feedback at a snails pace is bad. And its not like this is a new thing

waxen canopy
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I don't think they want to say something they can't do and create another Cross Party situation

real mica
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As a community leader I can say for certain that we’re desperate for communication from torn banner

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Ive been watching more and more long time loyal players lose interest. Content updates only give so much things to do, and giving the community these tools would greatly improve retention of these players

young badge
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Just imagine I'm Jen, it'll make you feel better

waxen canopy
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Have they touched on those on any Update? I really don't get the hold up since any event they do they have to provide resources for and mods/refs.

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vast wolf
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:o

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Then we’ll realize that discord cm was a figment of our imagination the entire time

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pine totem
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@bleak shadow

fringe grove
thorny kite
proper dawn
pine totem
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near thicket
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patent fern
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Do you have to message to be seen in the user list

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Or can you just open it and you’re added

hidden jasper
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You are able to read it without showing up on the memberlist which is preferred for me in some cases because Notifications EYES

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