Guns I would love to see in this game (part 3): ARs

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Battle rifles will be a separate post to keep things from getting too jumbled

1. DD M4A1 RIS2: kinda the same gun as the MK18 but with a 14.5” barrel

2. Kac SR-16: this could work as the more modern AR-15 variant instead of the URGI

3. Kac M4A1 RIS1: the classic M4, would be cool to have

4. Kac M16A4: the 20” musket

5. SIG spear lt: newest version of the mcx

6. SIG rattler: mcx but chambered in 300blk

7. Q honey badger: mission specific gun in 300blk

8. HK416A5: cool to have alongside AR-15s

9. HK433: the new shiny toy from HK

10. HK G36: any version would be cool

11. L85A3: it says British but it’s reassuringly German

12. SCAR L and SC

13. Vz.58: AK but better and made in Czech

14. CZ Bren 2: a new cool gun

15. B&T APC223

16. XCR L: I actually haven’t seen this gun in any game

17. Beretta ARX-160: the actually good fish gun

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I'm going to start calling these suggestions gun-slop, we do not need more ARs based on or virtually the same as the m4, or more aks

The new guns added fill a specific role and uniqueness, for example: the Stribog is the first primary you find and it's relatively weak compared to the others, you later get the MP9, which is just an automatic Stribog, still weak but better

The bloodhound was added because we needed a new special weapon for 914

This is just my opinions on ARs, the smg suggestions were mostly unique guns

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Also the stribog just got remodeled

It was one of the first guns they added

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either way

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When it comes to ARs, we rarely see anything new these days and everything is mostly an AR-15 or 18 or an AK derivative

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The shockwave was added for a tier 0 shotgun

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completely forgot about that as well

in my eyes i see virtually no difference between the first 4 guns apart from their barrels

i feel like a barrel customization would be better than a whole 'new gun'

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Most unique in use or good weapon I could find were the XCR L or the vz.58 which might look like an AK but internally it’s a completely different gun, it’s short stroke instead of long stroke gas piston gun and it’s even striker fire instead of hammer fired

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That is how it works in the code

They literally just replace specific parts of the models

But I'm pretty sure they restrict that customization for balance reasons

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i mean makes sense story wise as well

like why would the armory full of shotguns and pistols have m4 barrels

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oh wait you were talking about the original post

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it makes more sense if they had only sights, lasers and barrel attachments

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yea

then i replied to ur barrel code thing

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It wouldn't really be that hard to add most of these

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They do have long/short variants already for some guns

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if the guns have roughly the same sounds and button/trigger/switch placements then you could get away with reusing animations

and already existing ones

but then again

gunslop

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I personally want the RM277 because it looks cool but we don't need more high tier ARs

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thats a banger gun actually

look my gun knowledge is very surface level (australian)

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This is 914's output list I think it could be useful when thinking about possible new guns

although I do feel like some of these should not be where they are

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nah fr i feel like being able to craft a vss after the first round is crazy

but i feel that the story progression is a good way think as well

like it would feel weird having a million variants of what is essentially the same gun being shoved in your face in the armory rooms

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That can be changed and I feel like it will be considering that they added actual weapon tiers with this update

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compared to a selection of unique guns: aug vs mk18 vs mk17 vs ak vs vss vs a good smg

also i think a key thing that should be noted in gun additions is that the gun shouldn't be 'outdated' without a reason

like yes there are revolvers and snubnoses but those are mostly there as a deliberately bad gun if you were desperate for any kind of defense

same thing with the 1911

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This is gonna trigger Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armories museum in the uk, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history but personally, I believe given the larger caliber that weapon uses, it’s a battle rifle and not an assault rifle which is why I was gonna put it among the BRs alongside the G3 and sig spear

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you could just say jonathan ferguson

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But that’s not fun

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I mean the game doesn't differentiate

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Yes but also there’s a word limit on each post so I can’t group 30 guns together unfortunately

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maybe you should suggest less guns

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have you ever thought that maybe you dont have to suggest 30 guns

i mean the one time i wrote a huge list for a suggestion was because they were joke suggestions

cause remember each gun addition takes a lot of work

animations, modelling, texturing, accuracy checks, sound design, balancing (somewhat)

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But then again, that’s not fun
The thing is that while it might not look like it, some of these guns are unique and different and have their own use case
The honey badger and sig rattler are chambered in 300blk which is a heavier round or the sr-15 might look like another ar-15 but the ambidextrous controls means it can have unique animations

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you literally just admitted that some of the gun suggestions are not unique and different

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Keep in mind that these are guns that I would like to see and not that they should absolutely be here

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Also some of these actually are just variants of the M4A1

We already have the MK-18

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we already had this conversation about the mk18 and the m4a1

still regenerating the lost braincells from that

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Not really, the difference between some of these guns is like the difference between an ak-103 and ak-104 which is already here

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Yes

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However

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Doesn't mean they need to do that again

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🤝

What this man said

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Yes but that’s a shortie AR-15, the DD M4 is a longer variant that can have lower recoil but the longer barrel means you can’t maneuver it as well as the mk-18

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Yes but this is scp 5k

I dont think anyone cares about cqb barrel length differences

Its more a focus on: can this put down the chicken if needed

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There’s still weapon awareness in game and if you’re not careful you’re gonna get caught with your gun down

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doesn't matter that much in a game which is as fast paced as 5k

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Its not that niche tho

I hate using anecdotal evidence but me and my mates choose our guns based on how we 'vibe' at the moment because weapon stat's and awareness matters that much to us

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I believe depending on what missions we’re gonna get in the future, it might make a difference

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I believe the opposite

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I don't believe we'll be getting anything other than Area-12 and Axiom before full release

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And thats not the main point of 5k

Its the horror, gun realism and tactical aspects are a feature, not necessarily a staple of the game

If you follow

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It's always listed as "tactical horror"

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I mean the niche of gun awareness type of tactical

Like ready or not level of planning

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It's tactical in the sense of tactical not in the sense of realism

Planning is one thing you should be carrying across to 5k from other tac shooters

gun mechanics aren't as much

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I find the 5k definition of tactical is player movement and controls and gunplay

Not so much 'i will bring this specific rifle to min Max my situational awareness and combat readiness for this situation'

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eh

that's not what they have literally talked about the idea of the game being

those are aspects that are supposed to incentivize that type of planning

it's just not based off of very fine minmaxing

they talk about different weapon types being stronger in certain situations but never about specific weapons being better in specific situations

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Look what mk is describing is incredibly niche side of tactical realism

A niche that 5k doesn't havr

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yes

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All i want is 300 blackout, a different gauge shotgun, g36, and machines pistols

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Yea

I ngl want guns tha look like this

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I believe there is a carbine kit for the beretta 93R that gives it a stock outside of the weird beretta brace and it can even be converted into full auto

Unfortunately there aren’t a lot of modern machine pistols, the only one I can think of is the micro uzi and that’s stretching the definition a little bit

But I really do agree on needing a 300blk gun

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There are already mechanics in scp 5k that can compliment having shorter or longer versions of a weapon like body and gun awareness where if you push too far into a wall the character lowers their gun and I believe with a little bit of balancing this can work in the favor of having a few versions of a similar ish gun like the MK18 and the block II and the M16a4

Also on a side note the devs already are doing this with the AKs where the 103 and 104 or even the 74n and the 105 are the same weapon with a different barrel and slightly different gas tubes but in terms of handling and how they behave when shooting, they feel completely different with the ones with a longer barrel having less recoil and more damage but if monsters get too close your gun will go down sooner cause you’re being pushed so it’s not all just the same gun cause there’s way too much here

Also please keep in mind that most if not all modern guns are essentially a derivative of the same main three weapon systems with only a few outliers that are few and far between

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This game does guns very well and I’m looking forward to seeing what they do even if it’s not a gun I personally like or it’s a new design like the gm6 bloodhound

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Too much AR looking guns

The VZ and LA are cool

i would add :

F2000 - very cool rifle ,its problem was that it was hard to repair on field compared to AR or AK platform

Groza - compact AK ... even more compact AK74U

QBZ-95 - epic chinesium

XM8 - was pretty futuristic looking for its time

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Theres very few looking ar guns tho

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theres like 4-5

if u mean in game - ye theres only MK18

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The XM8 is something that I actually forgot that it’s a thing but looks cool
QBZ also has the 192 which looks interesting
About the F2000… me and that gun haven’t gotten along since the original MW2 days and have a love hate relationship

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Why ? l really liked the F2K in MW2

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For in game ones yes which is kinda a shame for me since where I live, AR pattern guns are rare and far between which makes them interesting to me

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The QBZ95 is not very well-regarded within the Chinese military, which led to the rapid introduction of the QBZ191.

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Don't care I just want Chinese FAMAS