The above argument proves otherwise however.
#art-discussion
high ledge
not really
because the entirety of what I was saying is that the uniforms look cool and one is free to reenact/collect ww2 gear as long as they don't take it too far
bleak elk
I think mod will arrive in less than 10mins from now on.
lavish fox
What does "taking it too far" mean for you exactly lol.
What they join the military to fight Soviets or something?
Get it together, there's a difference between WW2 reenactors and neo-nazis.
high ledge
Reenacting as waffen SS is borderline being a nazi, it's well known that the SS, especially the Waffen SS, were responsible for numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity. Why someone would want to reenact as said branch of the SS is beyond me.
and before you hit me with the "well the allies commited war crimes too!!!!!!" or "not every german was bad!!!"
lavish fox
Because as you can the uniforms are cool looking as you can obviously see in the gif I posted above.
high ledge
so?
lavish fox
Exactly.
high ledge
"this uniform looks cool"
lavish fox
You and some other people are making it up to be a big deal and it's not.
You're just trying to get attention, that's all.
high ledge
"why collect it when I can pretend to be a crime against humanity"
"just trying to get attention" says the dude whose PFP is a warden butchered so badly that it resembles a german uniform
says the dude who posted an SS gif and said "Hol up let me trigger half of this place real quick."
collecting gear is fine.
pretending to be SS is not
lavish fox
You're so salty you're repeating yourself and trying to make up bullshit accusations against me, so the uniform of my pfp looks like a German one, so what? I thought the Waffen SS were bad, not the Wehrmacht, or are you going to include them as well now?
high ledge
Hmm, lets take a look at this chat
first, we have someone saying they like reenacting, that's fine.
then we have someone agreeing with them, that's fine
lavish fox
And then there's people like you seeking attention and looking for trouble.
high ledge
says the dude who posted a gif of a waffen SS unit marching specifically to trigger people
high ledge
at the end of the day, I can't change who you are
lavish fox
And you took the bait.
high ledge
I'm fine with being a jew, I'm fine with whatever you want to do
lavish fox
Wut
high ledge
but you gotta realize that this shit your doing isn't even close to being cool or funny
lavish fox
Wait where do I say you're a jew?
high ledge
You didn't
lavish fox
I don't see why you're bringing it up then.
high ledge
you posted waffen SS specifically to anger people
high ledge
why would a jew not get angry at someone glorifying Waffen SS
cosmic bough
Snowflakes... and you seem pretty triggered
lavish fox
Glorifying?
I'm not glorifying anything dude, you got me confused with somebody else.
high ledge
we get it, you like playing hoi4 alternate history
high ledge
you came into this chat with the sole purpose of starting an argument
high ledge
while the other guys are posting about their collections of gear
that I agree with, I own ww2 gear as well, and plan on buying a german winter ushanka
you on the other hand, literally came into this chat to trigger people
lavish fox
There was no need for you to start bashing on people for trying to reenact as the Waffen SS.
I have my personal reasons as to why I hate communists as well but you don't see me getting triggered over people trying to reenact as them.
high ledge
There comes a point where you have to realize, no one fucking cares about what you do until you start trying to shove it down our throats
lavish fox
Exactly what you're doing.
lavish fox
You're forcing your opinion about reenacting as the Waffen SS on other people.
high ledge
I have a fucking RPG in my closet, I have a goddamn suicide vest hanging up next to it, your saying that isn't offensive at all?
lavish fox
People are freely flying ISIS's flags in the US and people are trying to take down the American flag, this is the crazy world we're currently living in.
high ledge
you need to learn what is acceptable in today's culture and what isn't.
lavish fox
And nobody really cares.
cosmic bough
Waffen SS is part of history and its ok to reenact as them
lavish fox
There is a difference between reenacting and being a terrorist.
What you just described is being a terrorist.
high ledge
Not true my guy
lavish fox
We don't live in Germany however.
high ledge
I said what if I reenact as a terrorist.
cosmic bough
And germany is fucked
night bronze
I mean @cosmic bough
high ledge
yeah god forbid they try and attone for the numerous war crimes they committed
lavish fox
Not to mention that Germany and Australia have the most strictest laws in the free world.
high ledge
What does australia have to do with this conversation
lavish fox
I was talking to Dragonir.
high ledge
the fact of the matter is, the only reason your here is to start an argument
"no i'm here to trigger snowflakes" yeah ok bud
high ledge
really?
I was just posting pictures of part of my own ww2 collection
if you would actually look at the fucking chat before joining in
night bronze
arguments are important to provide different points of view and prevent people from being trapped in an information bubble :3
high ledge
Like last year I was a huge wehraboo
lavish fox
So you mean to tell me it's not ok to reenact as Redcoats of the British Empire or Confederate troops either then or something, or maybe even a Conquistador?
Please.
high ledge
Yes, because none of those are so closely associated with war crimes as the waffen SS are
is one allowed to reenact as hitler? it's just history, what is the problem?
cosmic bough
Yeah thats true beacouse everyone says that slaves and colonialism is unacceptible in todays society
lavish fox
Not to mention that there are people who are also reenacting as the Soviet NKVD and KGB who have killed millions alone.
high ledge
They are also a problem
lavish fox
That I don't see you noting because they don't fit your agenda.
high ledge
'my agenda'
night bronze
Just because some people do it thats not a reason to do it too
thats childish argumentation
cosmic bough
it's just history, what is the problem? You said it yourself
high ledge
I was saying that in a sarcastic sense
just as it is not acceptable to pretend to be part of the secret police of a brutal regime
night bronze
Well what people often not really realize is when it happened
lavish fox
SS were secret police.
high ledge
ahahah good one
night bronze
Its a different if sth happened 200 or 70 years ago
lavish fox
Waffen SS were the fighting arm of the SS.
cosmic bough
They can reenact as Hitler. They REENACT that doesnt mean they are Hitler
high ledge
also known as brownshirts
lavish fox
Do you even know what SS means?
cosmic bough
SA
high ledge
the brownshirts are responsible for most of the violence against jews in the early to mid 1930's
lavish fox
Here we go about the jews again...
high ledge
no lmao
cosmic bough
Sturmabteilung are brownshirts
night bronze
(yep, not even name-wise)
cosmic bough
No
high ledge
Yes.
night bronze
Yes!
bleak elk
It depends.
cosmic bough
Brownshirts are SA but SS is something different
lavish fox
Alright dude you know what you're too biased to let go of something that happened almost a century ago and you're also too dense to realize that none of those people or establishments even exist right now so I'll just end it here.
I do not believe that you should be dictating what people should or shouldn't reenact as just because you're a jew or whatever, everybody did bad shit that somebody doesn't like, doesn't mean that you should shove your opinion in someone else's throat and force your views on them, as you yourself said it.
high ledge
The SA was the forerunner of the SS
bleak elk
SA got massacred.
high ledge
ohhh damn we have tghe kicker
They did
the SA were also fucked by the heer in the mid 1930s
the leader of the SA wanted to make the SA part of the military, if I remember correctly
and then himmler said no, which strained relations and caused the SS to be formed
bleak elk
And Night of the Long Knives ended it.
high ledge
yeah
night bronze
You are not completly right but also not completely wrong
bleak elk
Who are you reffering to?
night bronze
M-97
high ledge
I'm no expert
night bronze
You dont need to be
high ledge
nah but really though that other guys pfp hurt me inside
it was a warden soldier with a german field cap and an iron cross
bleak elk
Not being ignorant is enough.
high ledge
The Wardens have French Uniforms
bleak elk
Welp, I try my best to keep my historical biases on a short leash.
night bronze
I have to say thats a bad manner... one doesnt gossip, he can even read it afterwards
high ledge
I said it to his face too
wardens have french uniforms
its his freedom to make his pfp whatever he wants but
Its p a i n f u l
night bronze
y e s
bleak elk
I guess I have high treshold for things that hurt me.
high ledge
my pfp is going to be a guy in us UCP camo wearing a napoleonic french cap while holding a ross rifle
night bronze
Inbefore somebody finds your criptonyte
bleak elk
Sounds interesting.
I would go for something more... provocating.
bleak elk
Behold!
Superior engineering!
lavish fox
That reminds me of somebody saying "I wish we could move trenches" in the game lol.
brazen grove
muh war criminals aint that bad
round moth
Every flag is stained with blood, pointing out one is a waste of time lol
severe carbon
We all know what this feels like:
high ledge
Hangover?
willow rapids
They are already dead
desert forum
wet vigil
any big foxhole map i can see i wanna make a civilization 6 map for it
blissful heath
I should make a Civ V map for it
round moth
civ 5 > civ 6
remote lynx
If you're not using this mod, shame on you
Quotes From Civilization IV (Leonard Nimoy)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=121611292
rancid carbon
Just an update :3 Hope I finish before the next CH lol. So many little mistakes bogging me down haha.
high ledge
he looks like forcing her to dance from the way he's holding her hand, you might wanna practice draw like this one bellow
blissful heath
It's the Mesean Grip, a traditional dance move that represents the Colonial emblem
her hand is the sword and his hand is, well, the hand
rancid carbon
Well I mean if thats the first thing you noticed then Im glad the glaring mistakes are gone lmao
halcyon lantern
That's how pencil skirts do
I think they're more stretchy...? They have to, otherwise how the hell would female troops march on parades?
They only use pencil skirts there nowadays
peak oyster
They kinda stretch but they're pretty tight and uncomfortable
verbal flume
Pencil skirts usually have a cut on ether sides or back
peak oyster
The one in the picture clearly doesn't, otherwise it wouldn't be so close to her form
verbal flume
Well, can't blame the author, that's a quite fine detail
And, well, there is an option for it to be stretchy as hell, but I'm not sure if it is possible to manufacture with Foxhole level of technology
peak oyster
That skirt would make it harder for her to move around, either way.
verbal flume
Shouldn't be too much of a problem if it is a parade uniform, to be honest. It looks like another post-war truce meeting, so it would make sense
peak oyster
Okay.
civic rain
verbal flume
obviously Warden poster
slapped colonial symbolics
Get da hell out of here with that
high ledge
Uncle Samantha, you looking kinda blue there bud
bleak elk
This gun scares me. Good job!
left wind
"Foxhole in the world of South Park"
high ledge
brazen grove
so does life imitate art or art imitates life i dont get where this is going
severe carbon
Quick bayonet fighting sketch
left wind
friendly fire
severe carbon
Itβs just training... hopefully
verbal flume
Ever tried removing bayonets for training?
severe carbon
Of course not. Stab wounds build good soldiers
high ledge
The toothpaste fell in my milk ;-;
surreal narwhal
red spy in the base
willow rapids
- bang *
weary shard
See! Red! ...No wait thatβs blood....
grizzled tree
So we still have a problem
willow rapids
- Throw Jarate *
rancid carbon
@high ledge
The toothpaste fell in my milk ;-;
I just read that and it made me so depressed hahaha
left wind
Well, it does make for a good improvised grenade.
pulsar grail
None of these has crashed (yet)
high ledge
@pulsar grail you have pretty stronk PC 
pulsar grail
All hail the CPU overlords of AMD π
cosmic bough
Ah so you are a fan of AMD made radiators as well
buoyant crest
@pulsar grail What is the case you need all of thooooooose
pulsar grail
Things man, things
buoyant crest
is it.... stop-motion animation?
pulsar grail
If none of those crashes I might be able to show you in like 2/3 hrs
buoyant crest
Did you know you can make full blown animations in photoshop?
I made this in photoshop
pulsar grail
Yea, but vector art is love, vector art is life
high ledge
thats actually kinda lit
grizzled tree
left wind
Who needs a CPU in general. 
pulsar grail
What I'm saving on my gasbill (heating) is more than made up for in electricity expenses 
left wind
yes
cosmic bough
I legit dont have radiator turned on in my room. Its heated up by my PC
lavish fox
That AC better be as cold as Siberia during the summer tho cause your ass is gonna fry like an egg otherwise.
cosmic bough
Yeah summer is a bit of a problem.
rocky tiger
are you HIGH?
high ledge
cute rat 
vapid galleon
Abandoned Ward
round moth
based
bleak elk
It's small
I am totally 188cm Chad.
bleak elk
Whatever works for you.
I don't know how you should feel.
But asserting dominance while T-posing works.
left wind
rooooger that
bleak elk
severe carbon
I have no regrets
bleak elk
Delet this and give credit to author.
@severe carbon
severe carbon
The meme?
bleak elk
At least put name of a ma nthat drew this somwhere.
severe carbon
Isnβt it just box art from a model?
bleak elk
Down right.
bleak elk
Now I can laugh.
Thanks!
half spear
@bleak elk no happy for u
bleak elk
Ok. Listen here you little weaboo.
Don't waste you time on browsing anime shit. It's not worth your time.
@half spear
half spear
:)
bleak elk
Is this a rangefinder?
rancid carbon
Looks like it
Kinda an odd periscope setup
No commanders hatch
Unless its in the rear like the french turrets
high ledge
It that a fucking panzer 1 with a bunch of stuka zu fuss bomb-rockets on it a few pictures back?
high ledge
Whell, that bergetiger ya posted got me thinking on drawing something foxhole related, instead
I decided to make a german 50cal infantry gun
Based off of the mg131 (flexible) aircraft gun, mg42 and Browning m2. Unfortunately it's electric fuze and not firing pin, and I'm not that academic with guns so i just extended the firing part, added a handle to rack it, and slapped an mg42 cover ontop
Thoughts?
autumn leaf
@bleak elk what is that?
severe carbon
I looked at some concept art for Bioshock infinite and drew this from it
severe carbon
misty dune
high ledge
bleak elk
@high ledge
It looks rather interesting.
Especially the contrast between big and probably heavy barrel and rest of the gun.
I like idea of electric fuze.
Sturdy barrel would has probably higher treshold for heat.
Electric use simplifies work of the gun.
Something like this might work for nose mounted guns because water cooling needs too much space. @high ledge
Also @autumn leaf
That most likely is BDR G1 B from WoT.
round moth
is that world of tanks i smell
bleak elk
You smell right. @round moth
round moth
π
high ledge
is this what inspires you
willow rapids
Well, I want to drew for powerful Bigger Submarines. So that I kept looking for and I was picked up this
My object is Simple
desert forum
Sex with logi
worthy heron
United States of Warden
left wind
whatthefuck
cosmic bough
No please
severe carbon
Arenβt the wardens more of an imperialist/monarchy?
worthy heron
Am gonna coup
severe carbon
Good luck with that
worthy heron
Make Warden become Communist
ember oasis
Praise God Emperor Callahan
willow rapids
Bless Colonials!
left wind
willow rapids
βͺ O say can you see, by the dawn's early light βͺ
severe carbon
I drew myself from a picture of me thatβs become a meme
severe carbon
For the drawing of me?
bleak elk
Original picture.
severe carbon
Iβve DMed it to you
brazen grove
autocannons? YES PLEASE.
analog pike
It's a highway to the danger zone
tawny brook
@worthy heron that flag made my british soul shudder
candid citrus
nocturne void
i think its called a pauldron
severe carbon
Rain cape?
blissful heath
shoulder cape is pretty commonfrom what I hear
viscid adder
wip
final forge
All hail the shoulder cape
left wind
very yes
cobalt tinsel
looks good
cosmic bough
Is this thing very large or you upscaled it compared to your other Pixel arts?
left wind
Nothing can be too large, Buk.
dire plinth
@nocturne void @candid citrus it's a cape, cloth, like all colonials have it, I guess, never seen anything lore-wise about it, but it is a cape, for sure
left wind
in other words, it's a shoulder sponge
novel quest
Its something the Wardens dont have because they are unimaginative plebs with no good dress sense.
cosmic bough
And im pretty sure that you could fold it in a way that would keep your face warm
novel quest
perfect for colonising the savage wintery homelands of the barbaric wardens.
cosmic bough
Exactly! You might argue that the Warden coat has to be warm but just look at that outdated design, you will be lucky to not trip over that damn thing
novel quest
Must be a nightmare getting snagged on wire
cosmic bough
Exactly! Colonial uniform is the best uniform. Compact, warm in winter, cool in summer, ammo pouches are easily reachable, offer better camo and they are cheaper to make
novel quest
And our helmets arent so damn shiny
Meaning when we bushwookie they dont reflect the sun like a damn laser beam
cosmic bough
Exactly! And since they are made from one piece and they have only the necessary assets they offer better protecton then the Warden ones
severe carbon
UNSC marine
severe carbon
Paratrooper WIP
Intended to be a colonial commando
Off to go give Willie Warden a visit
worthy heron
Warden iron cross
severe carbon
But the wardens are French, not German
round moth
Balkenkreuz* not Iron cross
and they are neither, they are a mix of english, french and german
severe carbon
Technically, you are correct, though I have yet to see any German influence
surreal narwhal
I mean
Our stockpile is mostly green ash
So it seems pretty WW1 German to me lmao
flint leaf
it's less modern english/french/german and more celtic/gaelic, sort of a "what if the ancient culture made it to the modern day" kinda deal, at least that's what my impression from matt and the rest of the lore is
bleak elk
This is what They want us to think.
lavish fox
@severe carbon Look no further than the LUV which bares resemblance to the KΓΌbelwagen and BT which has a slightly rounded Tiger turret and King Tiger gun mantlet.
blissful heath
I heard this war compared to the Roman invasion of Gaul and that seems fairly accurate as far as I can tell
Celtic Wardens being invaded by Roman Colonials
brazen grove
cool
dire plinth
@flint leaf it's this scenario: Roman Empire became democratic, celts became an Empire, it is WW2 (in technology and such, not in the idea of a real alternative history scenario) and they been fighting for ages. Colonials are latin, wardens are celts/gaelic tribes united into an Empire kind of. So yeah, you are right.
round moth
@lavish fox
Whilel you're correct in pointing out the Battle tank, it's not a tiger that it resembles i'd like to inform you
But the Panther Schmallturm design:
As for the tracks of the Warden battle tank, that looks much more like a B1 bis
bleak elk
^ Proper name is "Baguette tracks"
round moth
terrifying french treads
bleak elk
Also, what are those little "eyes" on each side of the turret?
Rangefinder? Exhaust ports?
round moth
Those are ports for the rangefinder yeah
bleak elk
Intersting.
round moth
the schmalturm was basically just a better design for a panther turret in every regard
Hexagonal shape made it faster to make, conical mantlet (the characteristic i was going at when i mentioned it) that could bounce anything thrown at it, actual rangefinder ports, overall smaller size
bleak elk
I like how basic german tanks can be from the outside.
Simple shapes.
round moth
it has a certain charm doesnt it haha
round moth
what in gods name
bleak elk
Nothing is as cool as those old weird russian contraptions anymore.
It's all about those fancy electronics nowadays.
bleak elk
Yeah.
It sounds cool.
lavish fox
@round moth The turret is a more rounded out Tiger one, you can check for yourself and do a comparison between the in-game model and a top down shot of the real thing. I'd do it but I'm too lazy and don't really wanna spam this place with pictures too much because people go ape shit when I go into historical or tank discussions here.
But I agree on the gun mantlet that it's not exactly that of the King Tiger, it's just the closest thing that popped in my head.
Tracks are that of the French ARL44.
round moth
sure i just dont think a circular shape is what defines the design considering every nation had one
ARL does seem closer tho for the tracks
but whats the problem of pic spam in here, this channel is for discussion isnt it
lavish fox
art discussion.
left wind
ort
lavish fox
And some people have been quite pissy when it turned into historical/tank discussion.
left wind
it's for ort discussion y'see
willow remnant
@worthy heron I have my own cross π
lavish fox
The what
willow remnant
It's from a french association
lavish fox
No but I never posted an Iron Cross here lol.
left wind
Could you at least provide an epilepsy warning beforehand?
lavish fox
Why, it's static image not a gif lol.
left wind
It's tripping me out
lavish fox
God damn.
willow remnant
I confused you and Agent Frost...I'm tired
severe carbon
bleak elk
Nice hands on second one.
severe carbon
Thank you
severe carbon
Itβs quite nice
willow rapids
Thank you
severe carbon
What kind of armor is he wearing, lamellar? It looks great
severe carbon
Thatβs lamaller. It looks awsome. Iβm only able to draw plate mail, so something new is always cool
bleak elk
I prefer Cuman masks.
willow rapids
That's cool
verbal flume
The worst thing about the lamellar armor is trying to fix that bloody thing.
Especially if plates are small (which is common for late-period lamellars)
willow rapids
Indeed fix with lamellar having a lot of time
verbal flume
Although, properly fixing the chainmail is arguably even harder.
But you can just sew it up if you don't have time to bother with it.
willow rapids
I see..
bleak elk
I like the setting. Not far from home.
halcyon lantern
How does one obtain the Foxhole models?
bleak elk
You need to prove yourself worthy.
@halcyon lantern
halcyon lantern
Right
bleak elk
State your reason.
halcyon lantern
Uh? I wanted to do a comparison of the size of the light tanks
and how its size is actually close to a medium tank of our world
I can do without models though
just gotta either find any tank in game and take a screenshot, or find a screenshot on google
bleak elk
IF you care about scale you need to check it on FOD. I heard it's kind of not realistic.
halcyon lantern
Yeah but I want to make some sort of visual reference
bleak elk
You might try to find some gameplay on youtube.
LowTechGaming or I SawABear
halcyon lantern
Good point
bleak elk
Knowledge on how to get models is exclusive to people who remake them.
halcyon lantern
but he usually plays the wardens, is the issue
oh nvm found one video
Alright, great
brave heart
halcyon lantern
I specifically mean in game
brave heart
if you want the 3d models all of them are on sketchfab
left wind
Oh yeah btw, models aren't up for download.
halcyon lantern
reposting the finished comparison pic here
comparing to the concept art
it seems that it got scaled up for some reason...
like 1.25-1.5 times the original size
cosmic bough
Yup Hatchet and Dewitt are Medium tanks
rotund laurel
the devitt looks like he can hold at least 2 more crew
cosmic bough
Yeah it has much bigger turret than Hatchet
rotund laurel
mostly the hull is bigger
hatchet's has only space for the driver it seems
where the devitt could take 2 crewmembers
on the other end both bts look similar in size
halcyon lantern
Yes
Though I assume the intended size of the warden tank would be like the S35
night bronze
Such a beauty :3
halcyon lantern
The devitt might have a more medium-like hull but it's still not enough space to keep someone in there, because of the turret basket, if it exists
They just need to be slightly scaled down
otherwise it looks like the intention was to have the driver stand up when he's driving
bleak elk
Here you can see prototype flying tank.
It was supposed to be placed in an ambush position and await incoming enemy.
Upon spotting one it was to be positioned with it's back to the enemy. When enemy forces were near one gunner fired 105mm howitzer mounted on the vehicle. Due to the immense power of the back blast vehicle was launched spinning into the air. If aimed correctly it had high chances of landing near enemy.
Crash most of the times was so hard, that the ammunition on board exploded.
Flying Tank- The Last Wonder Weapon of III Reich
grizzled robin
Iβve always seen Collie LIght tanks as getting their inspo from the Russian BT series
They have a lot in common with the BT-2 and the BT-5
cosmic bough
Actually the front is based on Harry Hopkins
halcyon lantern
Whoah, it really is
But there is a wreck model looking like a BT
(the Russian cavalry tank, not the battle tank)
I could have been wrong though
grizzled robin
(BT is the series name of those tanks)
halcyon lantern
(Yes I'm aware)
Although I think this wreck model uses two different tanks, yes, one warden one and one collie
blissful heath
They very well could be earlier variants of the ones we know now
The Hatchet is the 5th or so in its series and the Devitt Mk III is, well, self explanatory
halcyon lantern
Perhaps
It seems that they lack coupolas, and they're generally similiar shape-wise
blissful heath
although truth be told the only thing 'warden' about the one above is the turret
blissful heath
oh, and the driver's hatch
halcyon lantern
Yeah
blissful heath
but the rear and rest of the hull is very unlike the rest of Warden design
Perhaps it was a very close copy of Colonial tank design, using some elements from the outdated Storm tank when Warden tank design doctrine wasn't well established yet
blissful heath
perhaps made as a prototype only, before the main Dewitt series of tanks with clear Warden engineering were made
halcyon lantern
The warden tank is quite angular in the rear
blissful heath
If you look at both of their rears they're identical
aside from some grills on the Warden one
halcyon lantern
Good point
blissful heath
and the track guards
It very well could be a modified version of the Colonial one to act as a weapons bed for early Warden turret designs before a suitable chassis of their own could be used
captured and used for testing
perhaps pressed into service as shit started to go south
or, more fittingly, too far north
could also be an engines testing bed, since it has the characteristic grill and 'piping' of the Devitt
halcyon lantern
That's a nice over-analysis, but I guess that's to be expected here, it would seem weird as the relic tanks follow very different doctrines
analog pike
Cavalry Tank relic confirmed ?
halcyon lantern
for them to suddenly just take one another's tanks
analog pike
halcyon lantern
Cavalry tanks would be like ACs with cannons
blissful heath
This could be a transitional phase, when both sides realised they needed more rounded tanks that can fulfill a lot of tasks
halcyon lantern
I'm not sure how to check if anyone has made some ideas for them in here
analog pike
maybe more akin to early tank warfare period
halcyon lantern
I think I started a doodle of an idea for a colonial infantry tank some time ago, but I kinda dropped it
analog pike
where there wasn't any standard of how tank should be like
blissful heath
Think of relic vehicles of WWI, tanks in Foxhole as WWII, and these tanks here as interwar
blissful heath
@analog pike yes, until the Renault FT-17 (I think that's what it was called) introduced the idea of a single turret on a hull, tanks were whatever you could imagine
severe carbon
Literally tracked boxes with guns stuck in the sides or fronts
grizzled robin
Bring back the radio car
halcyon lantern
They basically stuffed a pillbox on top of a tractor usually
analog pike
From the lore perspective, Crawlers and AFTs are the earliest tanks designs of Colonial origin
analog pike
then, most likely, Storm Tanks are later design that paved the path for future of the tank warfare
blissful heath
The Storm tank could very well be the equivalent of the FT17 in terms of its impact on tank design doctrine
analog pike
and made most likely by Caovians
blissful heath
they could very well have been overtaken in peace-time by Colonial engineers
they did beat the Wardens to the Lance
analog pike
then, the BT-like tank above, which has distinct octagonal boxy turret and crudely designed hull, can be more or less likely a Colonial design
working under assumption, that those two scrapped tanks are of the same model, but mangled to unrecognisable shapes
@blissful heath What do you think ?
blissful heath
Quite possibly, yes
analog pike
however, there are two turret models
blissful heath
We can't be sure of under what circumstances it was modified, but I think the Warden version is a heavily modified Colonial version
halcyon lantern
to put the turret in its normal place
blissful heath
Go for it
analog pike
more likely that this round turret was earlier variant of this tank
blissful heath
it doesn't make sense that way though
why would somebody make a very Warden-esque design, only to make a Colonial-inspired variant?
I think it being a modified captured variant for testing equipment needed for other tanks is the most plausible explanation so far
brave heart
lol, I thought I was the only one that thought the BT-series looked super colonial
i made a colonial "cavalry tank" based off of the BT
halcyon lantern
whoa
analog pike
@blissful heath What if we went down the line of thought based on the actual BT series development ?
blissful heath
i'm not familiar with the BT series
rancid carbon
Fast tanks
analog pike
BT-2, the original speedi boi
rancid carbon
Designed more as armored cars than as tanks
brave heart
that would actually be the christie tank
round moth
.....what
analog pike
And here comes my reasoning:
rancid carbon
@brave heart what are you modeling in?
brave heart
blender
analog pike
what if the one with round turret was actually earlier version of the BT-like tank with boxy turret ?
analog pike
that was later on exported to countries aligned with Mesea
severe carbon
One looks vaguely tetrach-ish
analog pike
that wheels...
rancid carbon
Looks like a T-50 to me
halcyon lantern
I can't tell where the sprocket would go on that wreck collie tank
rancid carbon
?
analog pike
it's not exactly BT, but could serve similiar function in Foxholeverse
halcyon lantern
Where does this even go
rancid carbon
Definately appears similar to a russian fast-tank
round moth
Function and aesthetic/design can and in this case are super different
fast moving tank so it must be russian haha
rancid carbon
rancid carbon
This looks PRETTY similar to me
round moth
what the wrecked tank or the LT
analog pike
Again, as all designs in Foxhole, it's not based solely on the one tank
rancid carbon
top wrecked tank
round moth
ill give you that
rancid carbon
the warden one
analog pike
but, yes,
round moth
the ass looks like a t-34/t-50
brave heart
if theres ANY vehicle that could go directly into the game and pass off as an implemented vehicle, i think it would be the rolls royce armored car
round moth
t-34 because of the exhausts
brazen grove
it would either be a relic vehicle
analog pike
tho that top tank's turret...
round moth
but literally everything else looks different
halcyon lantern
btw one thing to note
analog pike
and position
halcyon lantern
the mantlet on the collie tank looks very much like the warden light tank's
I dunno if someone pointed this out already
rancid carbon
Honestly I thought both the tanks were the same at first
but they are both def different
analog pike
but, one thing to note is that they have something in common
brave heart
wat is that
brave heart
π mystery solved bros
analog pike
light tanks yes, but trying to evade deeper looking into something
just doesn't make sense
...oh wait
we have #lore-chat for that
round moth
there is nothing deeper that you have stated
analog pike
I mean, T-50 is light tank, FT is a light tank, BT series are also light tanks, Pz 1 is also a light tank
but they all have differences
in what function they serve, what doctrine were based on
round moth
no way
brave heart
who needs a driver when you can have more GEARBOX
bleak elk
This is one man tank.
100 degrees of gun rotation. Steered by two pedals.
rancid carbon
lol
peak oyster
It's actually a remote controlled tank that's what this concept art is for
round moth
pretty cool
peak oyster
God yeah I need to actually rebuild that thing at some point
halcyon lantern
Hatch fixed
dunno how the hell the driver position works
it's just a huge transmission compartment
brave heart
that turret is starting to remind me of the bishop
halcyon lantern
sorta yeah
severe carbon
@bleak elk Were you referring to my vehicle design?
nocturne void
reminds me alot of the kv tanks
verbal flume
You're thinking of KV-2
It had weird tall sqare-ish turret. KV-1 has rather slim silhouette and a notable barrel-like "faceshield"
severe carbon
I think it resembles the Archer. Despite knowing full well their guns donβt even face the same way on the tank
nocturne void
yeah thats why i said KV tanks cause its got the body of the kvs and the turret similar to the 2nd
verbal flume
I'm not sure, but I think kv2 has the same base as kv1
I might be wrong though, kv2 was kinda experimental thing so I don't remember much about it
Just confirmed the info. They indeed used the same body, just the turret was different.
severe carbon
bleak elk
@severe carbon
No. The in-game one.
bleak elk
buoyant crest
@verbal flume I wouldn't consider a vehicle experimental if there were a few hundred made based on a proved concept
verbal flume
@buoyant crest and production immediately stopped after the beginning of war. Plus, most of KV2s were left behind or destroyed by retreating soviet forces.
buoyant crest
because it was an outdated concept and suffered from some design flaws, like almost all tanks do of pre-wwii design π
verbal flume
KV1 was still produced, mind you
buoyant crest
The reason production stopped for the KV2 is because (besides costing many resourches) it is a tank designed for offensive wars were it can destroy bunkers; if you get your face pushed in, it wont help much
verbal flume
Fair enough
buoyant crest
The KV1 was better designed as it was how the tank was initially optimized; the KV2 turret was heavier and could due to recoil only fire under certain angles
lavish fox
has flashbacks from Girls und Panzer
buoyant crest
stop it, I am trying to forget that exists
bleak elk
This makes me sad.
verbal flume
@high ledge A product of late WWII german desperation.
high ledge
Well... You ain't lieing xD
verbal flume
Besides, Germans had a lot of fucked up concepts. Such as "Ratte".
high ledge
I was more taken aback by the looks of that. Atleast the ju88/110 plane bombs look kinda ok. But a cockpitless me262 and the plywood Honda Civic 2001 (because of meme) white of jets just doesn't add up
verbal flume
Germany didn't have much in terms of materials in '45
So yeah, plywood.
And jets were all the rage, since it was a new and exciting technology.
high ledge
Too bad there weren't enough rare metals with high heat tolerance so the engines had to be replaced after what was it, 20hours?
The true wunderwaffle was the storch with panzerfausts on it mann
NVM it was American, but still, a storch with panzerfausts would be the wunderwaffle the Germans needed to fend off the horde
left wind
maggotlauncher
analog pike
@high ledge Well, the thing is prpbly most of the late war designs were made thanks to cocaine, meth, mix of those two, or morphine (Goering particulary liked this one).
left wind
Also prime time to shitpost.
analog pike
Example of designing an aircraft when you are high and just so happens that you have magical tablettes around known by the name of 'Pervitin'.
left wind
Idk why but I like that design
grizzled tree
Idk but that gives me the feeling to re-think my life choices
left wind
ig
analog pike
good luck
left wind
but it can also be utilized as such
only if you're out of ammunition and y'only have one bomb left
analog pike
good luck for the pilot who would tried to drop the bomb on American conovy
left wind
wait, did that make any sense
analog pike
convoy*
also, when they discovered that propellers were damaged during landing
they decided to just put explosive bolts
that when activated, blowed out this propellor
analog pike
yes, I am pretty tired
left wind
understandable
analog pike
thanks to that oddity
my sanity just slipped away when reading history of this... thing
bleak elk
Some interesting planes for You.
@analog pike
severe carbon
Isnβt the British bomber effectively a Halifax with wings reversed, and two extra engines
brave heart
It was designed for the britβs overkill Tallboy bomb, and then they made the Lancaster which meant that the bomber design was useless
round moth
whats up with the weird lookin stuka
peak oyster
Increase the tail gun arc
bleak elk
JU-187
peak oyster
The casualties taken in its construxtion
high ledge
Are the Bell plane designs the blohm und voss of the Americans in terms of weirdness?
cosmic bough
The latter one doesnt look that wierd
high ledge
Granted, I just added it in cuz it looks like it has a lawnmower engine
Also, an aircobra in one of my old books looks like it stole all the weed and than gravity bonged it
Time to draw foxhole bomber
analog pike
@bleak elk This K-12 wouldn't look out of place in Crimson Skies
bleak elk
And I would like to keep it that way.
severe carbon
Crimson skies has some fun planes
brave heart
cursed_wellington
bleak elk
I won't sleep tonight.
severe carbon
That hurts my soul
tight folio
analog pike
another sexy crimson skie-ish plane
left wind
that swastika though
bleak elk
Alternative universe.
blissful heath
i prefer when they do the 'X' form of non-swastika instead of the disjointed 'arms' of it
looks more 'full' that way
cosmic bough
There was a swastika on it somebody just painted it over in ms paint
severe carbon
Me and a friend had a Putin drawing competition
severe carbon
We had a drawing competition and this was what I drew
severe carbon
Dieselpunk patrol plane
severe carbon
An accompanying pilot
bleak elk
rancid carbon
see this is the type of stupid shit I wish they added to foxhole haha
would certainly make it feel more unique
willow rapids
Duble gun
blissful heath
imagine balancing this
peak oyster
It's two pistols, it'd be too weak
peak oyster
We need another pistol to make it viable
patent jetty
They're already implementing a 30mm tho
analog pike
a smol gun
patent jetty
Did you forget?
analog pike
Oh
patent jetty
The new infantry gun uses 30mm ammo
final forge
I feel like the 30mm ammo will be way to cheap to be able to be used in an armored vehicle
patent jetty
Does the cost matter
patent jetty
B
analog pike
into this
peak oyster
Nah
analog pike
sexier, isn't it ?
peak oyster
I think the ATR would fit better
patent jetty
@peak oyster idk fam, all the ACs I've seen irl use actual tank guns
peak oyster
@patent jetty where the fuck have you been looking then?
patent jetty
The British have got some ACs that used 47s
Or something around there
Have you forgot about that Mk. 3 thing that used a 75mm?
peak oyster
Armoured cars don't exclusively use tank dannons dude
patent jetty
peak oyster
Also criticize ideas not peopke
patent jetty
Here
patent jetty
Shit, i meant to say some
buoyant crest
also, talk about arts, not military vehicles in here π
analog pike
volta repeater for life
patent jetty
I know they don't use tank guns exclusively
peak oyster
Something something Military vehicles are works of art
peak oyster
No
peak oyster
Preety gun
patent jetty
Gib ac 30mm gun
peak oyster
Gib AC ATR
peak oyster
That's
That's what the SC is for
lavish fox
@buoyant crest Shhhh, this tank channel now.
buoyant crest
No
patent jetty
Gib π AC π 30mm π gun
lavish fox
Just give it a 75mm gun already.
left wind
1mm or its nothing
bleak elk
You still got that AC halftrack with ATR and SR coax? @peak oyster
willow rapids
90mm gun please
peak oyster
Somewhere, yeah, when I get home I'll post it again if I can find it
shrewd oriole
@lavish fox yeah, the soldier of tf2 is literally you in every aspect ππ€£
lavish fox
Well my persona is based on him so no wonder.
rocky tiger
shrewd oriole
@rocky tiger holy damn
Thats an actual good sketch for once
rocky tiger
thanks
shrewd oriole
You really nailed the perspective of it @rocky tiger
severe carbon
Beautiful drawing, though the tank is fighting for those imperialists, not the brave heroes
bleak elk
Take 2 pervitin pills and you will get great ideas. @willow rapids
bleak elk
Any ideas yet?
willow rapids
Um..
- thiking with black hole *
- thiking with aircraft carrier *
- Rest of thinking is 4D *
bleak elk
- Lasers from head *
peak oyster
A perfect suggestion then
bleak elk
Noooo
analog pike
NO NO NO
bleak elk
bleak elk
high ledge
half spear
Anime planes?
peak oyster
Ah a very good plane yes
severe carbon
The two most recent are real aircraft
analog pike
@peak oyster Panzer, try to make this plane a motorjet or turbojet
left wind
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/449284108527468578/666648401818943498/0eccff534c53bfcbd612b568a5e10ac0.jpg too much gmod
willow rapids
rocky tiger
so many nut
lavish fox
Rather bolts and nuts than rivets.
daring ferry
Both are weak, best way to resist bullets is welding I think
peak oyster
Nah it's PVA glue
lavish fox
@daring ferry There is a difference between soldering and welding btw.
You might wanna look that up.
peak oyster
Strongest is vibration welding though, for clarification
daring ferry
Sorry, English is not my main lanuageπ
odd berry
Lazy art, I forgot I was posting in discussion so its there now as well, whoops
glad vale
@rocky tiger Is that the tank that I think it is? π
rocky tiger
Uh no
bleak elk
Looks mighty fine.
glad vale
Aw
blissful heath
this meme doesn't work for light mode users who deserve to be shot the most
half spear
Lol
rocky tiger
π
left wind
brave heart
weirdest AC ive seen to date
left wind
le chonk
lavish fox
@bleak elk
bleak elk
Don't tread on me german edition.
tardy coral
FUUUUUUUUCK that's cool
peak oyster
@willow remnant yo dude this is your shit
glossy crescent
To bad the rest of my French arenβt painted blue
Maybe Iβll pick some up and paint then like warden
lavish fox
Having the B1 and C2 next to each other looks like the mommy tank with her teenage kid tank lol.
analog pike
let's remake Foxhole tanks into, y know, walkers
analog pike
for lulz
analog pike
make a mech versions of current tanks
This no Devitt boy. No Devitt !
The first encounter of the Flood walker
novel quest
keks
analog pike
my poor try
verbal flume
Chickenmech!
blissful heath
AT-MechT
verbal flume
It should have back legs even further back
Or rather even another pair of them
Otherwise the recoil will smack it into the ground, and the back part will be dragging on the ground on uneven terrains
verbal flume
It will still drag on on uneven terrain
left wind
mech posting? count me in
lavish fox
glossy crescent
Ok bob semple
pulsar pecan
tonk
left wind
tronk
iron belfry
wet vigil
W.I.P