Buy it and once you got licences, you can create personal textures on Substance Designer which can be sold on the Substance marketplace 😃 and if your textures are correctly designed, you can get money by selling it and refund your buy after few months 😉
#art-discussion
loud walrus
remote lynx
For me, if I want to spend money on software to make stuff (videos, etc.) I have to make money from whatever I create with it.
loud walrus
Yeah, but it's a permanent licence
so once bought, it's for life 😃
you got one year of updates (with new contents and bugfixes)
but after that you can still use the licence with the actual version 😃
remote lynx
Too bad I'm not really cut out to be a designer or artist. Programming is where my shit lies
remote lynx
Sadly, I can't say if I'll ever need it or want it, so I'll pass
loud walrus
even if you make only one texture, if it's correctly made and clean you'll find peopels interested ot buy it for their projects :D.
remote lynx
Don't have the money, anyway
loud walrus
But yeah I understand for that ^^
I spent my Christmas allowance to afford it but it's worth for me ^^
remote lynx
I'm better off with Unity's stuff
Still haven't taken the time to have a crack at it
Though that's more for #code-talk
true sluice
I'm not arguing it's I know deals like that are amazing. Also I both love and despise blender
blenders controls and settings are one of the hardest I've ever used
olive cove
Finished that drawing from earlier
pallid tangle
If anyone is gonna publish a war story, I could make an artwork about it(to hook the reader) and you can post it alongside your story absolutely for free, only accepting two today. Also just accepting infantry war stories for now since i dont have any accurate models representing the vehicles in foxhole. Just DM me with all the details and the story. thank you
pallid tangle
trail quartz
benis
pallid tangle
when u see overdose's art
elder tulip
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 what software is that
stark meadow
Hahah
sharp bobcat
@stark meadow Lovely~
Also @high ledge I don't know why but that drawing of yours reminds me of a super hero.
high ledge
1
2 looks like an upgrade in koke snorting simulator XD (no offence both are grandiose)
also how many pencils do you have?
now thats just... sexy... i like the eyes
i see you too push down on the paper very hard, and then rage when it wont fully errase
i feel that bro
F
sharp bobcat
Do you have a set of drawing pencils?
stark meadow
Working on lines
tawny brook
What is this
sharp bobcat
A scout
icy bronze
or a tank commander,
tawny brook
Grate
high ledge
i like how the eyes is looking to the side. pure amazing cant wait for finnished version
analog pike
Flag of Mesea
high ledge
spartan helmet
its cool, just make the green less puke green and more dark green is my only though 😃
yeh
:3
somber steppe
high ledge
oi!
hes trying
this is art discussion, can we keep this to art talking and not this?
analog pike
coarse bluff
high ledge
Jesus simmer down
fast sapphire
The range of a bridge?
pallid tangle
had fun doin dis hue foxhole fps
pallid tangle
cheers
flint leaf
rancid carbon
cool
pallid tangle
ive created the most fabulous tank commander
blissful heath
this is a better warden tank waifu than anything anime could create
high ledge
Ja
viscid umbra
Would anyone happen to have a good scale reference to Gunboats and a normal soldier? It's hard to tell as is from the usual top down perspective
pallid tangle
high ledge
this pic features a soldier for scale but it's pretty old
actually that might be the current design
also this one
high ledge
looks like the gameplay model soup posted is a bit longer yeah
a few of the smaller bits are telling
high ledge
you guys will forgive me if i put sideskirts on my tankdestroyers to avoid drawing wheels right?
viscid umbra
Fuck wheels
pallid tangle
Aye
lack of accurate models smh
I dont
I merely grab props and put them in a composition and add lighting
and trust me, its harder than it sounds lmao
Nah, different engine
i dunno tbh
prolly gonna start my colleg projc
high ledge
hey guys so
would the colonial light tank destroyer
have a stug gun mantlet, a tiger 2 gun mantlet(the round one) or a tiger 1 tank gun mantlet?
ik but im asking for a gun mantlet
no shit dude i think everyone here knows waht a tiger is XD
high ledge
Is this considered art?
high ledge
For him maybe, for us all it is considered propobly narcissism
elder tulip
..why is the gun mounted like that
if its mounted in the side then its cone of fire will be so small that you may aswell just bolt the gun to the chassis instead
high ledge
@elder tulip finnaly something art related. Yes I thought about that, that's why I added a sponson to the side. I'm currently shading the tank, but I did enlarge the sponson to add more manuvering
elder tulip
thats good
high ledge
Thx for the thoughts man keep em coming : D
buoyant crest
@feral prairie >turns up screen from super dark to brightest
cerulean anvil
When a Colonial realizes who's the superior faction.
high ledge
@high ledge hmmmmmm, that there is a stug-m3 lee baby. I like it!
The cannon needs to be on a flat surface though, for maximum aim angle. And the snoot could be pulled back / gun.pushed forward.
Symmetry is not needed, because asymmetry = dynamic love
high ledge
@cerulean anvil How is the superior faction the one that nukes itself
cerulean anvil
We don't take actions of few to represent a whole faction.
Especially since 90% of Wardens were against that decision.
worldly moss
I would personally say that the aftermath of it is what caused me to leave for this war
split fox
@high ledge definitely not feeling the M3 Lee looking gun, it means you can't fire to the left almost at all and reduces the gun depression because of the tread covers. I'd recommend putting the gun in the middle [Much like most tank destroyers] and if you want to keep it one-sided then reduce the driver's position or move the gun further forward so it can aim both sides.
The SU85 and the SU100 had guns to one side, but their forward plate was still level and didn't come out at all, they had pretty good gun turning because it was all level
However Jagdpanthers, Jagdtigers, and mostly the StuG had the gun in the middle, which means you get an equal firing angle and you can have a bigger breach that won't be blocked by either side of the tank when you try to turn the gun.
Also the fixed MG on the top might not be a good idea for a TD that can only fire forward, a rotating MG could definitely be good especially in Foxhole
high ledge
the MG is more for asthetics, but i will look into making it roateable, and about the gun, ive been seeing a lot of suggestions about it. expect an update tommorow. thanks for the comments, they always help.
split fox
no problem dude
high ledge
@high ledge the map looks too much like the balkan
but other than that its a fun spin of it
buoyant crest
Assuming the gun can go that way and will not interfere with whatever is on that side of tank @soft crow
I think the TD has a very small fire arc for gameplay-reasons
high ledge
Also it goes at least 8 degrees to the hull left, not 0
feral prairie
Oh soo thats why the colonial are incompetent
Their Tank destroyer doesnt have 90 Degre turning
limpid axle
@high ledge how are you supposed to load the gun let alone operate it?
trim flower
when I make art but its like shit, do you still criticise ? (my art is like shit and I want to post :P)
limpid axle
nah i will only burn it if it has historical errors
high ledge
the side mount does have benefits. for instance allowing a narrower profile
since the interior is no longer dominated by a massive gun
but I can see some problems entailed by the recoil
buoyant crest
Dudes, it isnt like the current tanks are 100% realistic, let it be! The hetzer also had a very skewed firing arc, but still was an OK tank destroyer
@limpid axle the gun doesnt have to extend long; the guy in the mg turrer can easily reload it (it are wwi~wwii area designs, look at any french tank from that era and you'll see how many tasks you can give 1 person). The gun is aimed for a large part by the driver, the accurate aim+shooting could be done by a lad between the commander and the driver. They are cramned in all the other foxhole designs as well
(Also, I have decided to pick up my pencils again, a few sketches before bed)
limpid axle
no not that kind of operating
its just too large to fit in
and it can only be fired at side
split fox
That driver won't be shooting anything when the gun's up his ass when turned more than a few degrees
Also the last thing you want in a TD is a driver as the gunner and loader
Suddenly he has to reach the drive levers to turn slightly to the left and get his target
cerulean anvil
And I finally finished it!
high ledge
he just received his N-word pass
high ledge
@buoyant crest thank, the hetzer was infact the most cost effective.
buoyant crest
@feral prairie the J word
high ledge
Here is the improved colonial tank destroyer
Now it has queue infomercial music 30 maybe even 50 degrees on turret traverse, loadable just like the hetz, an MG on top with 120 degrees of traverse AND a shovel
final forge
The shovel is clearly the most important feature here
sharp sail
as you can see the shovel is used for the machine gunner whenever he gets angry
he then slaps shells, bullets, or grenades out of mid air
acting as a forcefield
buoyant crest
looks sweet bru @high ledge
high ledge
This is beautiful.
high ledge
Make more of these bro, they're amazing
pallid tangle
Tank loverss, what could be a replacement for the Colonial light tank? Ya know, a real life counterpart
ancient crater
m10 gun motor carriage?
the cute looking m24 chaffes?
stuarts are just a snacc aslo
crusader tanks
the matilda series
muted marsh
T-70
ancient crater
bts are also a snacc
speedy bois
but soviet dosent really fit into the colllies aesthethic im o
high ledge
@pallid tangle m2
high ledge
hears trumpets in the distance
split fox
ok so @high ledge Your TD still has the same problem. The gun still can't move to the left at all, but now even less so as the breach would be blocked by it's casing, and there's little to no traverse to the right as that puts the gunner in the way of the driver or in a place where he's kicked in the back by the commander.
Yes a one-sided gun worked on the Hetzer but the front face was still flat and the driver's position didn't objectively block the gun. I've told you this before, one-sided guns only work if the front face is flat and the gun can effectively turn both ways without hinderance. I'll post some flat-faced TD's to show you what I mean.
Here's an SU-100. The gun is off to one side, but the driver's position isn't pulled out and blocking it like with your tank. Note how the casemate also attaches to the track covers instead of stopping at the track covers.
Here's a hetzer. The gun isn't as one-sided as your tank, but it's not centred, the driver's position doesn't interfere with the gunner,and the casemate attaches to the tread cover completely.
high ledge
Yo my front face, where the gun is is flat, the Gunner is meant to be kicked by commander (at least in Soviet turreted tanks),
split fox
The gunner doesn't need to be kicked by a commander though in a TD, usually it's a driver that needs to be kicked and the gunner is only usually kicked if there's a turret.
split fox
this is the art channel my g
high ledge
This isn't art
Ok
Anyway
@split fox you mean flat as in, the turret is at a 90 angle degree with the armor and not at like 50 like my previous design?
split fox
I mean flat-faced as in the gun is on the same angle and positioning as the driver. The gun mantlet is level with the front plate. When I say flat that's what I mean
high ledge
Yeah, my new design is made like that (I'm no professional artist so it may look not flat)
split fox
You made the gun look like it was in a box welded to the side of the casemate
There's pretty clearly a space between the bottom of the gun's housing and the tread cover
split fox
So the gun has no depression or the ability to turn
high ledge
So what it's called a sponsor, ww1 tanks like the mk1 had them. Wait why no depression
split fox
Sponson but yes WW1 tanks had them on the sides of a tank as part of the breakthrough doctrine they had at the time.
What you have is a gun in a box welded to the side of your tank above the treads.
And I say no depression because the gun has to go up and down, putting it in a box that small just significantly reduces it's ability to go up or down.
split fox
Pak 40's where in the centre or one side of a tank, yes but they weren't in boxes that gave them little to no depression.
high ledge
The rail for the recoil on whitch the gun slides back is way shorter, seeing how weak ingame guns are (rangewise) so it has a lot of space to move, plus that box may make the tanks weight lopsided, but I did the putting a ruler to the paper and moving it
A lot as in more than nothing
split fox
This gun cannot turn.
Depression with a shorter recoil rail, sure, that works, but it cannot turn and fire to the left almost at all.
high ledge
Yeah, the gun can go to the left a good 10 degrees and to the right 15 (20 for game purpose)
Actually
split fox
That driver's position won't allow 10 degrees of rotating even if the gun was a 5cm howitzer
split fox
See your Warden TD was good because the driver's position was off to the side as well as the gun
high ledge
@split fox sure it will
Look at the sketchfab model of the tank
My gun starts halfway from the existing tip to the curves
It has a lot when considering the drivers extension
split fox
but with your new design the driver's position is in the middle [which happens with no tank ever for a reason by the way] and suddenly your gun can't move almost at all.
what was your actual reference tank by the way?
high ledge
The existing collie tank
split fox
Light or Battle?
split fox
The Colonial light tank can have the driver's position in the middle because it's supposed to be a three person tank.
The only way you can put the driver in the middle is if you have a turret or it's an APC.
split fox
The driver can only be put in the middle of a tank if it's got a turret or it's an apc.
high ledge
This is a 3 ppl crew (4 for extra speed)
split fox
how does adding an extra person increase speed
high ledge
Loading speed
Loader
Helps Gunner by putting the ammo in instead of Gunner running around
split fox
the gunner can't run around though since your TD is based on a light tank that puts the driver in the middle.
tiny cypress
its quick its easy and its free
Typing some nonsense.
split fox
The Hatchet can put the driver in the middle because the gun is on top of the vehicle, but with a TD your gun has to either be at the back of the tank or on the front level with the driver's position.
If your driver's position interferes with the gun, there is something wrong with the gun's positioning
high ledge
Dude it doesn't
The walls are gonna be a problem before the driver
The box walls I mean
split fox
what
high ledge
You know the box where the gun is
split fox
yes
high ledge
With the guns rotation
split fox
or lackthereof, yes
split fox
yes lack thereof
split fox
An aiming to the right the breech starts to interfere with either the gunner's loading because he has to get past the commander's legs.
high ledge
No not really the commander is neatly seated in a corner (I think a crew member of the char 3 had a "no one needs you" corner)
Also @split fox this is a genuine question, the sponsons are riveted on. Isn't welding better?
split fox
If you rivet something to a tank, when they are hit they will shoot into the tank like tiny bullets. Never use rivets.
high ledge
Cuz remember this ain't a 7 inch naval gun, this is a pak 40 with barely enough gunpowder to move the shell 80 meters
Exactly rivots are bad
Why do you not like the welded box idea
split fox
I don't like the welded box idea not because it's welded but because it's a stupid idea
high ledge
Ouch
tiny cypress
🤔 have youthought of a Variation for the gun?
Instead of having a flat frame or rectangular fram in which the gun is fitted, how about a spherical shaped base for a gun? take a round object and stick a toothpick in it, thats how i mean "spherical base" and the toothpick becomes the gun
you then could place this in the middle of your front with a river seat to the left or to the right.
This type of gun would provide two different firemodes:
straight forward(arc of some good 50 degrees to the left and 50 to the right, mabe about 10-20 upwards as normal tank weapon.
BUT
if we also build the weapon into the tank so that it can be placed like a howitzers gun then we could use it as a Howiter as well. tadaa mobile mulitpurpose weapons platform
split fox
what
tiny cypress
yes
high ledge
How's it stupid? I thought it was good cuz putting gun on top is silly seeing how tall this fucker tank is
high ledge
And you can't really put it anywhere else without changing the tank
split fox
First of all it's a shell trap, if something fires into the tread it could bounce up into that box and wreck your gun or it's gun breach. Second of all I just noticed a periscope above the goddamn gun .
The reason you don't put a gun in a box on the side of a tank and why no real life tank has ever done this is because it's a stupid idea that means you can't turn the gun at all, you can barely load it when it's turned in any direction, and it's just poor gun placement.
Second of all the Commander is never sat in a corner, the Commander is sat in the main hatch and is supposed to see everything around and near the tank from his Cupola. The Commander is as the name says the Commander of the tank, he tells everyone what they have to do and how.
Also if you can't put the gun anywhere else without changing the tank then change the tank from a light tank chassis jesus christ
If you cannot effectively put a gun on a chassis don't just weld it in a box to the side.
However you can change out the body but keep the tracks
This is the Panzer 38(t)
This is the Jagdpanzer 38(t)
high ledge
The hetzer had a gun to the side now that you mention the 38, and it could turn to it's left for Jack shit
Also the periscope is drunk me
split fox
when you say 38 do you mean the light tank or the tank destroyer
because they're both 38's
high ledge
The pic in creative has it moved
38 is the tank, jagdpanzer 38 hetzer (hetzer wasn't used inwar as a term but ok)
Or when I say them
split fox
It's Jagdpanzer 38 or Panzer 38
high ledge
When I say 38 you expect tank
split fox
correct
split fox
ok so point is putting a gun in a box and welding it to the side of a light tank is a bad idea
high ledge
Also trapping shots? C'mon this is foxhole, I made it look blyatiful not good. If you wanted good I'd make an Archer (gun in driver, driver in engine, engine in middle)
split fox
The tanks in-game are based on real tanks and look at least somewhat like they could function in real life.
high ledge
@split fox it is, but foxhole is based in interest period not latewar
In interwar ppl knew jackshit about how to be effective
split fox
Your Warden tank was great, looked like it could function in real life and it looked neat. This one looks like someone took a gun and stuck it to the side of a light tank.
People in the interwar didn't stick guns in boxes on the sides of light tanks
high ledge
Look at the m3lee
split fox
If you intend on redesigning the Colonial TD, which I encourage you to do, please reference real Allied tanks.
high ledge
It's 75mm was above the tracks
split fox
THe m3 lee wasn't a TD gun in a box stuck to the side of a light tank.
And correct yes that's how covering the treads works
(((the m3 lee was a bad idea for other reasons)))
split fox
three technically
split fox
i dont think there was a third
tiny cypress
he boys why are ouy trying to improve a Colonial Tank? If the Warden one works its fine
split fox
Technically it's name is M3 Medium Tank but it's nicknamed the Lee
high ledge
@tiny cypress exactly
high ledge
@split fox dude, haven't had a talk like this in a while, am mclovin it. I'm a bit paranoid so I'mma ask/say all this is friendly debate bro, hope you point out my stupidity in future designs : D
split fox
i'd be happy to
split fox
the m2 medium has 4 mgs lol
high ledge
Theres one with 6 or 7 50clas in it
split fox
personally my favourite tank is the bob semple
high ledge
Mine is the jagdpanther
analog pike
Centurion was first real MBT, prove me wrong.
split fox
doesn't need proving wrong when it's a fact belkan
high ledge
Like imagine a jagdpanther based off tiger2 hull with a 15cm howi in it @split fox
split fox
15cm howitzer
hmmm
split fox
I'd file that under the horrible tank ideas with the Sturmtiger and the Karl Gerat
but Panther definitely wasn't the first MBT
high ledge
Belkan if ppl think the panther is an mbt, I don't welcome them as one of us wehraboos (wehrmacht lovers not Nazi)
analog pike
But, you know, wehraboo would say something different... because they have boner on everything that's linked with German militarism
split fox
MBT implies they're easily producible and fit almost all tank roles while still being reliable and easy to crew
analog pike
...and Panther obviously wasn't
high ledge
It broke down every 200km was it
split fox
if Panther was reliable they wouldn't have broken down on the battlefield nearly as often as they did
analog pike
but, of course, some idiots would always say that everything with Balkenkreuz is better
high ledge
It had no turret Travis on begging
split fox
A lot of late-war german tanks follow the same "REALLY GOOD EXCEPT-" sort of idea
high ledge
Ok lads, this is no longer art
split fox
fix ur gun lole
high ledge
Why don't we make our own discord for tank talks
analog pike
🤔 That's good idea
high ledge
@split fox oh I will, way too many complaints about my collie TD
split fox
maybe it already exists
peak rover
@high ledge
split fox
when big mac can't properly do tank guns sometimes
high ledge
Wait out of curiosity, what is different between my tank box and the Lee's gun box (other than headspace whitch we ignored till now
split fox
The Lee's gun placement is massive lol
and isn't a box on the side of the ank
It extends across the entire thing, covers the treads, etc
sharp sail
bob semple pierces panther armor and can hold thousands or rounds
signal inlet
big mac and his tank drawings
we should petition big mac to be part of the lore
like name a tank after him
high ledge
Hehehe
cerulean anvil
Maccaroni Mk.69
high ledge
Hahahaha
signal inlet
BMG-32 (That stands for Big Mac Gaming-32) or Matej Mk. V
buoyant crest
@split fox bit late to the praty, but I want to mention: it is an interwarish design TD I suppose, look at the the Char B1; there the hull gun had a transverse was basically 0. Now for a TD, that is not ideal, but considering the thing wont have to fire more than 50meters and the gun may have some 5 degree rotation, I bet it'd be sufficient accurate enough in that. Secondly, shot traps are not a great issue as far as basic designing goes. The tank is based on a light tank, so a shot will knock shit out anyway realistic speaking (also, this is a non-issue in the foxhole world, so #yolo). On top of that, realworld WWII tanks had some good shot traps too. Take a look at early Panzer 5 Panther tanks, a very juice lower gun shield. Finally: in the original tank design, the crew (mainly the driver) is sitting crammed in anyway, so I dont feel like this is a true argument for this all... that is just how foxhole desings its tanks. I 'd rather see a slightly flawed design than a perfect deisgn, because tanks just used to be like that™ and it is prolly made v e r y quickly, just like the Bob Sample tanks you like 😉 All I had to set loose, cheers mate
split fox
the char b1 didn't have a gun in a box taped to the side above the tracks
high ledge
This all is great, but there is no competition between my collie and warden TD, also yes the collie one was rushed (let's say cuz Julian said the colonial tanks are brut force based off Soviets tanks and those bad boys were rushed af)
Also the sponsons on the mk1 were welded on to an existing hull. Sure they were the initial design, but they're boxes on the side of the tank
Also I can't imagine a lot of anles where that can trap shot
Angles*
buoyant crest
Actually, I think you cantrap shot the warden tanks quite easily
look at its gun mount 😂
buoyant crest
H m m m m m m m
@high ledge not sure on your Warden TD design, it is burried quite deep right now
high ledge
split fox
yeah see that looks good
high ledge
Ik, gotta improve some on the collie one
But my biggest problem with putting a gun on top is the fact they're so tall
Also
split fox
the only TD's with guns on a turret are the US TD's and the late-war UK British Turreted TD's
buoyant crest
I personally dont think the gun on the side for the coli tank is a problem on itself, buy perhaps give it more space; the Stug 3 has also a wider hull compartment compared to the panzer 3
high ledge
buoyant crest
make it hang over the tracks in full crew compartment length (and perhaps b...
oh god
high ledge
First your eyes on this uglines
feral prairie
Ah ok
split fox
That looks kinda neat actually
high ledge
@split fox gimmi (my spg) your loooove
split fox
It looks neat
high ledge
Oh
buoyant crest
((I think you made a mistake on the perspective of the top part of the gun breach, or is it not square/rectangle?))
buoyant crest
that is what this channel is all for buddy
high ledge
I thought kiwi would pound me into the ground with the spg but no
buoyant crest
I think Kiwi is just biased
split fox
toward what exactli
buoyant crest
split fox
I do like the in-game colonial designs
nice and angled
I just have a bias toward tanks and war tech in general really
high ledge
Aka kiwi gets triggered at bad tank design
limpid axle
@high ledge ey can i rip apart your design?
split fox
@limpid axle do it
limpid axle
first, it has only 5 shells
second, its too small for the crew
the shells are larger than the gun
not enough space for recoil
no aiming optics
chrome onyx
@high ledge
high ledge
men of callahan young or hoary, would you win a name in a story. Dude i love it
high ledge
Someone is passionate
high ledge
anyone have those pics of the warden anime girls
rancid carbon
arkan
high ledge
I thought that artillery tank looked familiar
viscid umbra
@high ledge I can make an album of my particular warden girls if you want
wary anchor
man SPGs would be great
high ledge
I made an SPG suggestion a while back.
high ledge
Who mentioned warden anime girls? I would love warden anime girsl
viscid umbra
Warden Navy. Specifically a gunboat crew
Still have to actually draw the gunboat but uh... one thing at a time!
high ledge
Woo, always need more anime girls.
viscid umbra
Clip Studio Paint
viscid umbra
nope, it's the pencil tool aliased. I do use a graphic drawing monitor instead of a tablet which gives me more control than my older pieces
viscid umbra
They're based off of French navy sailor hats actually, given how strong the French influence is with the Warden designs
instead of a red puff, it'd be blue of course
I must ask though to the individuals who are downvoting the piece which appears to be my most contentious yet, is there something off with the sketch anatomy wise/etc ... or is it because the girls are icky wardens? I'd like to know so I can improve if possible!
icy bronze
I think it's because:
A) They're Wardens (so like, 50% of community is going to dislike immediatedly :p)
B) They are women soldiers and are not overly-sexualized (so majority of male community is going to dislike it.)
C) No matter how good your drawings are, it'll never be good enough for some. (so few extra dislikes anyway)
you're better off posting Collie wifus.
For real tho; your art is lovely and you should not care about some arbitrary arrows.
I ain't no artist so I can't tell you about anatomy being wrong, but I can tell you that I enjoy seeing your art.
frail depot
I feel like this is just wrong lol
I think it's just cause people have the funny warden v collie thing going on outside the game
and think it needs to go beyond that
just appreciate the good art 😔
icy bronze
just in case it's not clear enough; the three points are clearly sarcasm about stereotypes. They are not to be taken seriously.
frail depot
🤔
I mean no offense but it's not clear considering they are somewhat decent points, I'd continue this but it's art discussion so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
icy bronze
@viscid umbra
Dat fine art, yo.
olive cove
high ledge
Back to kitchen Monika and fetch me a sandwich
ancient crater
honestly this looks amazing
and makes sense
its a converted normal lt
just like they did it in the early parts of the war
icy bronze
gun traverse seems to be a problem with this design tho
velvet prism
I love Stugs
buoyant crest
Its not a problem if its a feature 😉 @icy bronze
ancient crater
how is the gun traverse any problem?
looks to me like its able to move up and down
and left and right
decently
and foxhole dosent need to be fully realistic anyqways
also he can prolly extend the opening where the gun is mounted
to go closer to where its welded together with the bottom part
so it looks like it aim up higher/lower
but the concept of a converted LT into a TD or SPG is appeling to me
like for the colli variant they can prolly just mount a gun for a spg where the replacment part for the tracks are currently
and shave of a bit of the top
so it dosent look retarded
high ledge
yes, i made a change that i havent show, where i made the gun mantlet like a tiger 2 or panther F
plus mine can already realisticaly rotate 10 degrees in all angles (up, down, left, right) the new change just lets it have an extra 5 to 10 degrees everywhere
glad sphinx
it SHOULD have turret traverse problem
high ledge
There should be a limited fire arc, yes, but to a reasonable and equal extent.
It makes more sense for a gun to say, traverse 5 degrees to both side than 10 degrees to one side and 0 to the other.
glad sphinx
Tanks like these anyways used their full body(rotating) to speed up the turret traverse exceptionally
the gun was in coordination one with the driver
thats why it was so easy to flank it and they only deployed it AS tank destroyers
high ledge
The arc should be similar to that of an FMG, I think.
glad sphinx
didn't fill any other role other than maybe base destroying but even that,easily ambushed
hollow dune
Stugs were initially used as an assault gun.
high ledge
@frail depot I'll fight you in bed
elder tulip
u good bro??
buoyant crest
Since there are a lot of tanks going around, this is what I am working on rn
elder tulip
that looks amazin
a can see a f ew problems tho
the hull machine gun looks like its taking up too much space
where does the driver and machinegunner sit in this tank?
usually the MG is placed on the opposite side to the driver port to give the 2 crewmembers space inside the hull
the turret looks a bit small for a 3 man turret but with a bit of mental gymnastics you can fit 3 in there
buoyant crest
((it is supposed to be a slightly failed design lol))
The tank is (fictive) interbellum design of Dutch heavy tank btw
closed the program already, but this is a screencap from yesterday, not much has changed then @elder tulip https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/519443110690947098/531418938018496513/unknown.png
((second driver view port is missing here, just like the panels in the front and the shooting mechanism in the turret. Also, place holder tracks))
elder tulip
ohhhhhhhhh lol
youre going for the quirky interwar look ok
in that case it looks fine
i like the thin tracks aswell
really sells the 1920s look
buoyant crest
Well, the MG has a 20~30 degrees to both sides, and it is an old Schwarlose MG (from WWI, was still in service during WWII by the netherlands), which firemechanism is quite high and not that long
I measured it geometrically, and it should have enough space, although I admit it isn't the most comfortable when shooting at the outmost arcs
elder tulip
it fits well into the 1920s aesthetic
high ledge
yo sico sico, simmer down
that isnt art, thats porn-... well i guess thats an art form if you squint
buoyant crest
s q u i n t s
frail depot
👀 @high ledge
icy bronze
Hey, @high ledge remeber that drawing of yours with a warden holding a revolver-shogun?
It reminded me of certian concept I've been toying around with a while ago, and now I've decided to pour it on paper:
https://i.imgur.com/rBPhfoV.png
please excuse the image quality, I'm too lazy to use proper scanner
buoyant crest
the image you took is fine, you can see all the detail @icy bronze
A double barrel revolver is quite interestting
Is your idea to have them shoot at the same time or seperatly?
icy bronze
They are fired independently. That's why 2 triggers and 2 hammers (not shown clearly, but that's the idea)
soft crow
My tank chassis (WIP) look good?
dusky swan
she's a bit long
soft crow
Has 4.5m long
brave coral
@high ledge Cute art by the way
high ledge
covert sparrow
Don't worry, we hate Cookie too. 
high ledge
Welp, back to Foxhole Anime Club.
high ledge
@high ledge hey wait a minute...
2 nights-ish ago, Endless Shore, defending Vulpine Watch or something...didn't I see you there? :p
high ledge
Who wants a foxhole t35? Well too bad it's not finnished yet have some SPGs instead
buoyant crest
S-51 unicorn arty intensifies @high ledge
high ledge
@buoyant crest you are correct
icy bronze
and the Warden one looks sort of like Hummel
high ledge
correct!
buoyant crest
🦀🦀🦀🦀
@high ledge back during my WoT days, I played the KV-2 a lot (like, 1/3 of all ny games) and researched the S-51 after that, which the only tier3+ arty I played
Seen it quite a lot, is fun to use as a TD
peak rover
@buoyant crest would you approve of this in foxhole
Made by @remote lynx
Btw my favourite tank was a mix of firefly Cromwell and KV2
pliant spindle
since I have not posted any origami in a long time, here it is
1182 units and 100+ hours of work
remote lynx
buoyant crest
My fingers hurt from seeing that
sharp bobcat
Ooo, form and structure
@pliant spindle very nice 👌
Where are you planning on putting it?
high ledge
Reee the thing that was deleted yesterday because too hot for foxhole discord was prophetic.
sharp bobcat
Pfft
sharp bobcat
Wut
pliant spindle
@sharp bobcat haha. for now it's just staying in my house. Every once in a while I put my pieces in exhibits and such, but for the time being I have none scheduled.
Sometimes I donating them to the Origami Society. Right now, I'm just making sure they are away from the cats, XD
sharp bobcat
I see!
I ask because I'm curious to know what you do with these and I recently took a 3D design class about sculptures and one thing we covered was placement.
pliant spindle
Ah I see. In my case, in regards to placement for an exhibit, a lot of them I hang from the ceiling, since having them turn and show the inner complexity is part of the appeal for the viewer
but I guess that wouldn't be feasible for sculptures that are not made of paper, hahahah
sharp bobcat
Aahhh yeah, I was wondering about things like where you would sit it, height, etc etc.
Cool! Thanks for the insight.
viscid umbra
aw darn it, I missed the devstream and submitting some of my art! Oh well, more time to get better art ready for the next go around!
olive cove
olive cove
high ledge
one of us
gritty glen
@viscid umbra do colly plsss
signal inlet
where can I see the concept arts of the games?
high ledge
Holy shit that is awesome
agile reef
Thanks I've been working for the entire Christmas break
plucky iris
Very cool
high ledge
grand
stray mulch
tracks gun and extra wheel move!!! Wow
odd berry
That is absolutely amazing craft right there
agile reef
Work on the food is ongoing
odd berry
Big kudos
high ledge
whens the flood comming hanz?
agile reef
Thank guys
clever jay
Is the gun can shoot @agile reef
agile reef
Probably some time with in the year
clever jay
?
high ledge
put some powder in it and sure
agile reef
I can't
clever jay
Awh
agile reef
Yea big sad
clever jay
If that gun can shoot it will be so cool
primal flicker
What is it made out of?
agile reef
Paper and index card
primal flicker
That's really cool man
agile reef
My shit hole work space
Also I have done ships
As you can see
There's an aircraft carrier
minor elk
10/10 this is the kind of autism i signed up for when i started playing this game
agile reef
Exactly
sweet coral
@agile reef absolutely beautiful. Have my upvote you warden.
agile reef
Thanks
leaden granite
agile reef
Yes thanks man
high ledge
thats it, im getting me paper and glue
buoyant crest
Nice shit hanz
agile reef
No I mean will they notice me if I posted it here or do I need to put it somewhere els
Also thanks
buoyant crest
Never figured how y'all paper wizards do that stuff
buoyant crest
well, uh, yeah, I asumed that
pliant spindle
@agile reef We see you, mate. WE SEE ALL!
Looks awesome, btw! 😄
buoyant crest
praise HB
agile reef
Our god
buoyant crest
wait, did that bot stop doing that
glad vale
We’d better be in there next highlights, dont make me get my paddle.
pliant spindle
KFC deals with the Highlights blog. I just pick some of the upcoming art and showcase them in the dev-stream to make people excited for the post. =]
#blameKFC
high ledge
The Lord has spoken
glad vale
Gonna paddle him too then.
opal sapphire
Medium effort poster.
Should be right up your alley, right? @swift knoll
opal sapphire
Alt version with easier to read font.
high ledge
are those fish in the water?
opal sapphire
Just the cheapest bubble effect I could find.
limpid axle
@opal sapphire great, have you tried adding a transparent image of a spy listening around a corner on background? they were common in this kind of posters
opal sapphire
Don't have a lot of those lying around. Got any samples?
obtuse mountain
hitler please get out of my car it's been 3 days
obtuse mountain
i think paper @muted hamlet
covert sparrow
Rmats
atomic latch
@pliant spindle I see new origami
pliant spindle
Yeeees. Took me so long to finish it
I'm planning my next big one now
Then....
THE WORLD!
atomic latch
@pliant spindle so I’m expecting a huge origami shaped as the world
pliant spindle
@atomic latchbelive it or not, I had that plan once
I was going to do a globe patter on this one
But i ended up going with the Canada flag on one side and the Japanese flag on the other
agile reef
That's cool would love to see the globe tho
minor elk
Make the globe as big as the globe
pliant spindle
that might take me some time. But the problem is the budget for the paper 😬
frail depot
I'll fax you some
high ledge
HB make an origami as big as you that looks like you
high ledge
Horrored warden soldier watching Jade Cove incident 2018 colored
agile reef
Lol
buoyant crest
Skin coloured hair :hbeyes:
agile reef
First glimpse of flood mk 1. I have big plans for this one, and I plan to post more updates soon!
atomic latch
@pallid tangle thanks for making me relive my final moments before it dropped on me
high ledge
That's a smoll tonk. When we gettin the 1:36 scale @agile reef
agile reef
I honestly believe that the smaller the model the more effort it takes to put details I just want to see what I can do
One of my goals is to make all hatches on this tank openable
Ya know got to get them levels! Become a Lvl 100 paper boss
high ledge
you need atleast crafting lvl 100 to do this
soft crow
@agile reef do things on 1:72 is very hard (except for planes or big things)
Its better do that details on 1:45, 1:48 or more.
PD: On 1:48 or 1:45 you can see much better the details, but you can see the errors too.
high ledge
By @spare hull
silk widget
Yeet
high ledge
i see that vodka! I want it!
high ledge
Nay
spare hull
😂 i was not planning to put it in the Art discussion but there you go
high ledge
you should have made the flask bigger my dude. that wont last a real slav 2 minutes : D
spare hull
true true
high ledge
great art btw
spare hull
in the waist pockets 😂
pliant spindle
That boat seems op.
silk widget
the smile on the sun tho
buoyant crest
If you draw the sun without sunglasses, is it really the sun tho?
peak rover
☀
buoyant crest
Sunglasses are cool and because the sun is in the sky it is always outsidez therefore cannoy be that douche that wears sunglasses inside! He is a super chill dude! @opal sapphire
Stop your assumption people with glasses are nerds!
opal sapphire
If he is such a cool dude, how come nobody ever invites him inside their home?
tardy slate
cuz he's too hot
opal sapphire
Just open a window or turn on the AC. If he really was such a chill dude, you'd find a way to make it work.
olive cove
What do you guys think?
opal sapphire
Incandescent. Blinding, like staring at snow for your whole life.
olive cove
That's the point lol
unkempt thistle
@olive cove Lightborn? Also that's fucking sick
olive cove
He's a race I made up called Primordials, they're made up of different materials, in his case he's made of magma/lava
And thanks
minor sigil
reminds me of the novakid from Starbound
olive cove
Yeah I couldn't really find any good art of what I was going for so I made at least his kind of people look like them sort of
@minor sigil
Since the primordials have different races like ones made of different stones, or things like ice
minor sigil
cool
frail depot
You ok there chief?
olive cove
@high ledge No need to be rude
At least I tried to make them different and unique, and there's plenty of other things about that I didn't mention
olive cove
Never said I didn't, just seemed more like a spit in the face rather than actual criticism
high ledge
Well, weird that you see it that way
@olive cove hands were always covered with with padded leather gloves to have a better grip strength on the weapon, he has it only on one hand, second needs to have one too, or even a gauntlet to keep his fingers safe, there's no pauldron on the right shoulder which will affect his performance throughout a long battle because of the weight imbalance (left one has it) the plate armour should be just slightly more longer since a sharp weapon could bypass the chainmail and hit his waist and allow the foe to even guide the said weapon upwards, thus piercing through even further into the vital organs and make the plate futile. Esthetic design 10/10, effectiveness 4/10
If he doesn't have any armour on the arms, then it's just purely for the looks, he'll have his limbs cut off in a battle. Also I like the 2h sword 🙃
olive cove
Yeah while I was drawing it a few others mentioned the fact that him having another glove would make sense, but I wanted to show off more than just his glowing head, I was going to have the glove appear somewhere else like in his other hand or kind of him holding it or wrapping it around the handle. The plate is also something where I disregarded the effectiveness in favor of having him look more fancy/royal
Looking at it now I guess it'd be more of an pose and outfit he'd wear for a painter to make a portrait rather than actually wearing the get up in combat if I had to find a way to explain why
high ledge
Hmmm, fair enough
high ledge
With less matching armor (not too much though) he kinda looks more worn and torn and tattered. Or I could be wrong
ebon pelican
i have been making a bit of an art collection with preference for the weeb-ish styles such as burning grey and OverDose
i have suffered some lost art pieces due to errors
around 4-3
when would be a good time to unveil my collection?
and how?
loud walrus
@olive cove the glowing incandescence is very cool but what if you made it as "rear light" more than "direct light" ?
I mean like a "Halo" or "light Nimb" as it's made for some holy saints pictures
cool drawing btw
pallid tangle
i just turned off the lighting and oh boi this is epic
buoyant crest
@olive cove very cool! Altough, shouldnt the smouldering/hair be slightly darker? Lava rearly smokes, but when it does, it is a large part a gasflame or pure ash.
(its cause lava itself is not a burning material, but a liquid which very hot. To my knowlegde, it consists almost purely of minerals, which tend to vaporate/burn terribly, if at all. If you look up photos, you will see only smoke when it is in contact with other burning materials)
nova root
Recruitment poster for my group, the Colonial Space Force. Be gentle.
pallid tangle
work in prgreuss
nova root
Alternate poster. We haven't settled on a name yet.
That looks wonderful btw, Souperior.
pallid tangle
@nova root damn u and ur magnificent propaganda
high ledge
If there's anyone here who could draw up unique concepts for warden/colonial foxholes, pillboxes, etc. that would be fantastic.
lilac scarab
I’d probably follow tradition and keep most current models for Colonials besides perhaps the Sunken PB
high ledge
The sunken pillbox definitely has a Warden look, so that can stay.
But otherwise, the Wardens are in dire need of appropriately designed structures.
lilac scarab
I wonder how a foxhole with a circular rent overhead would look for the Wardens
Warden design has to keep its aesthetic of boatlike qualities in their defences
maybe resemblance to shore defences while being more rounded
high ledge
I've thought maybe the Warden Foxhole can have sticks holding up their tarp in each corner instead of pegs, and they can have a blue tarp as well.
Probably some other misc. details too.
high ledge
Interesting proposal.
And then maybe wood planks or logs instead of sandbags or something?
Or just stick bundles.
lilac scarab
it may make it more difficult to visually identify damaged structures, but perhaps just a redesign of the damaged structure in general to include bullet holes or something
And eh
Don’t really think that’d work out
in terms of looks
high ledge
It's something that would definitely require a lot of thought.
lilac scarab
Actually
You know what
If they designed it right it might work
basing it something off of the ref I just posted
high ledge
Yeah, exactly.
lilac scarab
Circular PBs maybe?
And maybe for the Sunken, keep current model for Wardens while a more Octagonal model for Colonials
high ledge
Ohh. I had a nice idea for a possible design for a Colonial light pillbox.
lilac scarab
Another thing, the general size of every defence needs to be preserved and be equal as to not make one side’s model better than the other
high ledge
It'd mostly consist of sandbags and perhaps some slight wooden reinforcement, but with a canvas tarp thrown over to cover it.
lilac scarab
Eh, the only problem then is that you couldn’t walk over it realistically
high ledge
Ahh. Yeah, bugger. Didn't think of that.
Wooden planks as a roof, then? With the canvas thrown over that?
lilac scarab
I was actually thinking perhaps a dirt top
high ledge
Ehh.
lilac scarab
ofc I’m looking at irl refs lol
high ledge
I think that's overgrowth due to age.
lilac scarab
Yeah, but the idea still kinda sticks to me. A plank top with dirt cake over it.
agile reef
Progress on flood mk 1 model
high ledge
I'm gonna see if I can scribble up some rough concepts of my own.
agile reef
Thanks
I hope to finish by next month at most
But knowing myself don't think I'd make it
high ledge
Yeah, I think a round pillbox would be appropriate for Wardens.
agile reef
Same for at guns
lilac scarab
Rounded front
while the back still preserves its square quality
will keep Warden and Colonial models adjacent (they can fit in the same spot, there’s no chance of one fitting somewhere and another can’t)
granted a full round PB would only have that advantage in extremely specific circumstances but it’s still an advantage
agile reef
Or give them different shapes and sizes to make warden and colonial defence layout and planning sort of feel different
As if working under drifrent doctrines
lilac scarab
I want to avoid there being an objective difference between the two IMO
and god forbid objective advantage or disadvantage
like when Warden HTs used to be objectively inferior to Collie HTs because the gunner of the Warden HT could be killed in a head on duel with a Collie HT by the collies gunner while the Collie HT didn’t have to worry about that
lilac scarab
Worry that a factions defence could be more effective than another in terms of space efficiency or something
D is very Warden tbh lol
peak rover
@agile reef Panzerthums
peak rover
we need somthing like this
player controled
light tank ammo
agile reef
Ohhhh
lilac scarab
well, et minimum there needs to be color differences. Warden tarps and sandbags use the Warden Truck Brown Tarp color, Warden metal has the classic Warden Blue (although perhaps not throughout completely), Warden concrete (for PBs) needs to be a separate color (perhaps darker?)
agile reef
I now know why the warden empire burnt out to tech in the boreal wars... We spent it all on steel curving technology
lilac scarab
thisbutblue.png
agile reef
But yeah I think at gun and gun nest need to look at least a bit different
For factions
lilac scarab
AT gun could just even be a different kind of turret lol
Gun nest honest to god I don’t know
both the gunnest and foxhole idk how to make it very visually different
Ofc Moo suggested, wood walls for the gunnest
agile reef
Yes
lilac scarab
Wood and dirt maybe idk
agile reef
I think foxholes should stay the same
high ledge
I've started drawing a concept for a Colonial light pillbox
Tarp will be added later so don't worry
lilac scarab
this
agile reef
But the 2 defence I really want to become faction specific are the at gan a sunken pillbox
agile reef
Ya and u keep current at
lilac scarab
Something less round.....
lilac scarab
Current ; Gunnest - C / AT - C / t1PB - W / t2PB - C / Sunken PB - W / Fort Wall - C
Foxhole same for both but different colors as described before with different tarp colors
Also, I get the appeal of the D turret but the only problem is, it isn’t immediately obvious what it is at first glance from new player perspective.
Current gun turret : Tank turret but defence. Obvious it shoot big boom round.
D Turret : Round thing, it’s above the ground, looks like pillbox? Has big barrel sticking out but eh??? Not sure what it does at an instant
Is it big machine gun or big boom? Not immediately obvious to a complete 0 hour noob
need to keep those sort of things in mind
high ledge
OK, I've drawn up the first concept for a Colonial light pillbox
The machine gun is just there to show you that's where they would view out from
The design would not actually incorporate said machinegun.
lilac scarab
The only problem I have with it is currently sandbags are associated with things difficult to take out with small arms
Sandbags (and sandbag walls), and Gunnests are associated with those things which you need a lot of small arms fire to destroy.
It is implicated by design then that a T1 PB would be difficult to take out with Rifles, SMGs, HMGs, etc. because of the sandbags then when in reality it wouldn’t be
but... besides that... yeah the design does look cool lol
lilac scarab
Sorry, I’m just worried that we need to keep those sort of design ideas in mind, how past designs and the messages those designs implicate give implication to future designs, like with the D Gun Turret and this PB, the D turret being a problem as it’s too similar to a Pillbox and can be confusing and this PB having design elements that suggest it has more health than it truly does
Also, I can definitely tell you, it takes a lot less to take out a T1 PB than it does to take down a Sandbag
maybe 3 SMG clips for the T1 PB point blank
high ledge
The more you know I suppose.
lilac scarab
Meanwhile small arms do naught to Sandbags in the grand scheme of things
high ledge
Hmm. Trying to think of what else could be used.
Dirt maybe, but that wouldn't look too great imho.
Logs, perhaps.
lilac scarab
In general it’s important that we give design ideas that still fit in with the current design implications that every other defense gives in the game
Logs might work
high ledge
I'll do a quick redesign.
lilac scarab
But in saying that, there may be a problem with a Warden gunnest being made of Wood defences instead of Sandbags
high ledge
Hmm. What about metal plates or something?
That is, plates reinforcing the wood. Or something else.
lilac scarab
Unless there is a new design implication with wood now being switched to be associated with Wardens, by making the gunnest wooden it gives an implication of it being associated with the current Lt PB, which is weak, when the gunnest is strong
that’s an interesting idea, actually
high ledge
Alright, I tried the design with wooden logs.
high ledge
I think it's pretty cool too. Fits contextually with Colonials style.
I might try splashing on some colour when I get home.
high ledge
Hmm. So, could try a Warden heavy pillbox next.
lilac scarab
I think just a rounded front would be good enough lol
Or a full round
Not a very thrilling design
high ledge
I'm thinking of what other changes could be made though.
I'll look up some references and decide from there.
lilac scarab
but the current Heavy PB isn’t that groundbreaking either
high ledge
A rounded through is definitely something I'll want though, yes.
lilac scarab
Maybe make it stony
I like this ref
I know this is delapitated but a stony look may work well
like cut stone kinda
but still concrete
idk how to exactly describe it
You know what we havnt considered at all
Bricks!!
It’d be a new aesthetic to add, we don’t really have a brick aesthetic anywhere besides towns
but it may work
high ledge
I think it would be cool to incorporate grooves like this.
lilac scarab
Maybe a few within the actual slot of the Pillbox (like this one but much smaller, as ofc this is a big gun PB)
high ledge
Yeah.
lilac scarab
Also
It’s really faded but
This pillbox actually has the “concrete brick” thing I was talking about
high ledge
Huh. So it does.
high ledge
I'll have to put some more thought in before I start drawing a pillbox design.
lilac scarab
But whenever devs updated models (from general to faction specific) they always updated the old model slightly, Truck is a great example, old general truck became Collie Truck but with some more detail, maybe new Collie PB will be old PB but with bricklike design
I mean
That’s just an idea I’m throwing out there lol
high ledge
Only time will tell.
One thing that definitely needs an overhaul is the AT guns. I think they've been in use since pre-alpha.
And they just look... out of place.
lilac scarab
I really hope they bring new defense design sooner than later though, because I know a number of players in the community have colorblindedness and such a redesign would be immensely helpful to those members
Of course not to mention helping identification for those even without any visual hindrances by a large factor, just a good uptick
(Don’t even get me started on the flags though...)
loud walrus
Fuck Back to brawl with those filthy Maya UVs 3 hours I'm on it, still having UV mapping issues : https://gyazo.com/93bfb4447e4c8587af07a0ece300c1f9 If Anyone more experimented than me regarding UVs is still there, I would like to beg for his help ^^
I need flat UV mapping but if I do that, the square become cut off along edges of my object
