@dusky verge smh
#general-discussion
lean turret
karmic ether
just made this
still plaza
nice
silver urchin
near jewel
weak bison
ember cairn
just asking Airborne Updoot wen
olive thicket
Stfu he’s making music
still plaza
aww so c00te
blazing verge
polar osprey
blazing verge
Nice
molten root
@woven scarab that image about missing 10 seconds ago was exactly what i meant yes
silver urchin
still plaza
holy shiet
astral oak
Fuck me
cosmic cliff
and that ladies and gentlemen is why you don't let your stockpiles catch on fire
especailly when it's highly explosive
desert helm
oblique wave
Does anyone actually believe it was firework factory
still plaza
fun fact this cloud of smoke isn't actually smoke, it's air being pressurized as the shock wave travels
karmic ether
actually no
still plaza
ah i though i was wrong
still plaza
no but, the white stuff
karmic ether
ammonium nitrate was the white stuff
still plaza
wait we're talking about 2 difrent clouds
the cloud i was talking about was the one after the big explosion, traveling ahead of it
still plaza
¯_(ツ)_/¯
grizzled turret
woven scarab
@still plaza I believe that's the shockwave going supersonic
karmic ether
people from Cyprus near the coast heard the explosion
woven scarab
you can see it here too https://youtu.be/BUREX8aFbMs?t=10
still plaza
heh
gray stump
still plaza
they probably just don't kick inactive people
just like fod has 66k members and we're barerly above 600 pop on evenings
gray stump
3rd - crime organisation
still plaza
3rd - money washing machine
gray stump
Yeah
karmic ether
still plaza
but why
chrome flower
This is propably my favorite video on the internet
edgy siren
I both hate and love it
unkempt spoke
any hoi4 player here? 😱
karmic ether
yes
unkempt spoke
I am having some issues in my last games... I always end up in stalements because of supplies
even after max all infraestructures & even transport planes
even when I have stronger armies than my enemy I can't push because of supplies 
any ideas?
karmic ether
I would say just play defense for a while and let their resources diminish
unkempt spoke
but the AI doesnt attack me, maybe for the same reason or because my army is to strong so they don't even try It
they only thing that "fixes" the problem is to build tons of nukes and destroy their factories, but is so boring and time consuming
even more when I clearly have bigger and stronger armies
karmic ether
I can't really help
unkempt spoke
I hate the supply system in hoi4...
karmic ether
sometimes hoi4 is just like that
unkempt spoke
It needs a competition ha ha
cobalt sleet
Is there anyone using steam atm ? I keep failing trying to log in, it said can't connect to steam, is steam server down right now ?
plain mountain
hoi4 is dumb and sometimes I start a game because I forgot how bad it was and then immediately remember why I stopped playing it
karmic ether
molten root
yes
edgy siren
topaz hedge
makes.......sense
olive thicket
🛑! 🔨🕐
fierce swan
unkempt spoke
@plain mountain It could be so much better, but idk what devs have in their heads ha ha
karmic ether
karmic ether
damn i just lost my lego stahlhelm
native cloak
thats a yikes
plain mountain
F
ocean pewter
visual briar
fierce swan
Why power gotta be out in the middle of summer man?
In the winter I could curl up beside a fireplace, or hell, even warm up the whole house with the woodstove.
Bundle up in 3 layers of sheets. Cuddle with a lover if you have one.
Set a fire outside and roast some smores and maybe a kielbasa for food.
Freezer don’t got power? Easy, just put what needs to be frozen deep under the snow.
In the summer I swelter in the heat and humidity.
There is nothing to quell or even stave off the tyranny of the hot sun.
All perishables rot. There is nothing to cook your meals without adding to the problem of heat.
More reasons as to why summer is just the absolute worst season.
reef frigate
eternal valley
Should i buy rdr2 again?
if i dont
i have to wait 4 1/2 months till i can use my xbox again
if i do
i spend 71 dollars (on discount for 8 more days) for one of my favourite games
so
the question is
Do or Dont?
karmic ether
@eternal valley go outside
neat holly
but the rona! No no no. Stay inside. cuddle up to your warm computer and play a few games. forever.
cosmic cliff
Does anyone actually believe it was firework factory
@oblique wave It wasn't, Storage yard with High explosive chemicals. Probably some form of military storage
atomic meteor
oblique wave
@cosmic cliff according to the Lebanese government the fire started in a firework factory and then spread to a warehouse filled with several thousand tons of ammonium nitrate
cosmic cliff
oh right, yeah that's about right I thought you meant it was the factory that blew up
cold dune
Obviously not Israel, when shits been blowing up or been set on fire left right and center by Israel in Iran and Syria the past month, crippling Lebanon's main port during its worst recession to essentially knock it out of play in the chess gaming going on...nah deffo accidental firework explosion xD
olive thicket
@cosmic cliff according to the Lebanese government the fire started in a firework factory and then spread to a warehouse filled with several thousand tons of ammonium nitrate
@oblique wave it was a ship filled with ammonium nitrate
Unless I’m mistaken
Obviously not Israel, when shits been blowing up or been set on fire left right and center by Israel in Iran and Syria the past month, crippling Lebanon's main port during its worst recession to essentially knock it out of play in the chess gaming going on...nah deffo accidental firework explosion xD
@cold dune I highly doubt any nation would sabotage a factory with basically no military value for the sole purpose of causing casualties.
short berry
knotty lotus
220k people watching DrDisrespect on YouTube and it's just a CG still of his lambo at a garage lol
karmic ether
twitch effed up yeeting him
now all that viewership is gone straight to their competitor
get woke go broke
knotty lotus
You say woke like you know why he was banned though
karmic ether
twitch is woke af, even if they didn't ban him cos of anything woke it still applies at this point 😛
willow fjord
I never understood why he's popular but good thing his audience is still there, shows you can't really cancel em even if deplatformed
azure turret
you guys think the doom eternal is worth itr ?_
ebon walrus
Has nice flow and never felt too repetitive even though at its core it is
azure turret
is it worth the price
ebon walrus
Oh really
azure turret
its half the price,
ebon walrus
30 bucks?
Definitely
I paid all 60 for it and thought it was worth
Sorry not familiar with tls lol
cursive solar
@plain mountain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRVQWfqjms our favorite african warlord with a lecture
cursive solar
my man encouraging viewers to get an education
karmic ether
Isn't that the guy who ripped half of his DF review footage?
cursive solar
perhaps
sounds like a sseth thing to do
I mean, he suggests "trying" games openly so
wouldn't be too suprised if he did
cursive solar
seems about right for mint
karmic ether
@wraith sundial
wraith sundial
feels engineered
karmic ether
Oh shit im in general
wraith sundial
in normal stats we woudl discard this one as a troll submission 
How are we to believe mint doesnt have any shitposter in him??
did see him push a FA all by himself tho
oblique wave
yo I’m pretty sure Netanyahu just admitted to having a hand in the Beirut explosion
neat holly
thats not real right?!?
neat holly
Yeah, like...
oblique wave
its about 2 days old
neat holly
OK, so i did a google search
oblique wave
whatd you find. i havent been able to find anything excpet that tweet for some reason
just a bunch of other crap about netanyahu
neat holly
the context was in regards to a syrian attack
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/israel-netanyahu-warns-hezbollah-syria-attack-200804134620711.html atleast what i see
this place could be totally covering shit up, but thats what a preliminary search got me
oblique wave
nah, thats probably correct.
the israeli air raids in syria happened on the 3rd
they made that statement on the 4th which just happened to be a few hours after the explosion
looks whack but its probably correct
neat holly
I was about to start freaking out that israel was going to start another war with lebanon over some dumb shit, like... bruh
oblique wave
honestly every country needs to just fuck off and focus on their own shit
israel included
im tired of all these countries trying to be the world police
neat holly
-looks in china's general direction-
oblique wave
yeah exactly. everyone wants to be the world police now
china, america, israel, germany, blah blah blah
just leave each other alone
isolationism needs to make a comeback
neat holly
China just want the Indian ocean... and probably the oil.
cursive solar
well, any cutthroat politician has to manage foreign policy to secure its borders, this means almost every state wanting a stable position will naturally try and come out on top
neat holly
and maybe to become the world trading power just like the good ol days before american cheap labor ruined everything
Well thats mostly hyperbole. Western industrialism in general muscled china's position of world superpower away from it far before america became a thing
cursive solar
well, that's what happens when you give a former superpower immune to any external threat about 100 years of regression and constant struggle
oblique wave
on another note, 36 US politicians were recently charged with pedophilia crimes after one of ghislaine maxwell's lists got exposed
elite pedo ring is real
shocker
cursive solar
politicians will always be crooks, can't really expect more from them
oblique wave
this goes beyond just being a crook, but yeah
topaz hedge
This is way beyond crook, it's devilry
neat holly
When was this?
topaz hedge
I think it's recent
plain mountain
im tired of all these countries trying to be the world police
everyone's so paranoid of wars after the clusterfuck of the early-mid 20th century that everyone started policing eachother, resulting in yet more conflict. ironic
atomic meteor
It's funny, I'm very cynical about geopolitics and nations/governments fucking each other over, but I never for a second thought the Beirut explosion was an attack of any kind.
The M.O. is so completely different to how actual attacks go, you could've told me there was an actual weapons depot there by mistake and I'd believe that in good faith.
neat holly
I didn't either until Serryll dropped that bomb. Knowing Israel's history with lebanon, i wasn't going to just discount the possibility without looking more into it.
cold dune
Ofc a desperate Netinyahu on his limited window of opportunity between his timebomb of corruption and protesters and trump potentially being boosted out, you've already seen them target sites all over Iran and Syria over the past two months, some real brazen attacks
you dont think they want to cripple Lebanon economically in one easy sabotage of a careless seized shipemnt of epic porportions.
Lebanon is already screwed economcially and was always going to be the physical battleground between Saudi/Israel and Iran.
saudi and israel already tried taking the president hostage some months ago and have him say it was hizbollas fault but that literally got talked down by Macron IIRC, of all people.
Netayinahu is increasingly desperate to spark his hotwar with Iran
errant sentinel
israel back at it again
olive thicket
I highly doubt that this is Israel's doing
errant sentinel
ik im making a meme
cold dune
Well I mean someone wanted to smash the port and seized a real simple opportunity, I doubt it was Hizbollah or any other governmental faction in Lebanon and wouldent have been Shia/Persia aligned actors
So really that leaves the Saudi/Likud/Murica camp.
neat holly
or... you know... someone was dumb and something in the store house caught fire, which made its way to the munitions stockpile, which eventually made its way to the ammonium nitrate
Its up in the air to be sure
cold dune
Sure sure, Id believe it in isolation
not when its the latest in a string of 'accidents'
across the region in security and infastructure
atomic meteor
Here's the thing: what does anyone actually gain from this? Who could have reasonably set this up to happen the way it did?
There are way too many moving parts for a massive nitrate explosion
and it wasn't close to anything anyone especially wanted gone
topaz hedge
I mean if it was some nefarious person, they coulda just blown it up without setting a fire
cold dune
What does anyone have to gain from beiruts port being essentiallyo ut of commision possibly tipping a spiralling country into the abyss to join all the other once flourishing small nations now consignmed to the dustheap in the middle east and north africa?
topaz hedge
Like, directly blown it up
cold dune
Nah noone wants that 😄
neat holly
Aside from putting a crucial port of the coat of cypres out of commission? Nothing really
atomic meteor
What i mean is, assume someone wanted
A. The warehouse blown up
B. Lots of lebenese citizens killed
There are easier, cheaper, more straightforward ways of doing both of those things.
cold dune
You all act like there isent a cold war between Israel/saudi and Iran atm
topaz hedge
I think it’s still a bit too coincidental that the explosion happened as Lebanon was hitting a financial low
cold dune
this shit isent happening in isolation.
That cold war is literally hotting up as we speak
and then this happens
thats too much coincidence.
atomic meteor
wierder shit has happened
topaz hedge
You know, America did bomb the heck out of an Iranian general
And surprisingly they aren’t at war with each other
atomic meteor
And again, there are way too many moving parts. Consider past "false flag" or whatever, attacks. Like the USS Maine. Way simpler to pull off, even though it was kinda a hoax.
cold dune
I feel like you guys dont observe middle eastern pollitics day to day no offence
atomic meteor
lol
topaz hedge
I’m just a kid who watches everything that happens on the news
cold dune
Theres been strafing runs on iranian planes by israeli and american ones, droned generals, a string of fires, explosions and failures. Christ, a hizbollah commander gotk illed the other day
neat holly
Yeah, im leaning on the side of fucked shit happens sometimes mostly because ive got 1 more year till this country cant draft my ass, and im beggin the middle east doesnt flair up again... cuz its gonna be hell getting russia out
cold dune
This shit has been hotting up day by day for mooonths on end.
eh eitherway ;
😛 im just bored and want to argue
topaz hedge
We all are
atomic meteor
Things are never not hot. It's the hottest "cold war"
topaz hedge
Politics is a mess
atomic meteor
Furthermore,
neat holly
we are literally in a discord about a war game, and we choose to spend time here. Of course we are bored
cold dune
True but this LOOKs like sabotage casually passed off as accident ,just like what is it 10 or so other cases that are the same in iran and syria the past month or two.
topaz hedge
There’s nothing I like about politics. Too many people bickering at each other to even care about the rest of the world around them
atomic meteor
There are simply way more straightforward ways of accomplishing these things. We know this, because nations have done attacks to do these things but they never use a nitrate explosion to do it.
cold dune
Occams razor blah blah blah
atomic meteor
That's the thing.
There's honestly not much suspicious about this
It doesn't really look like sabotage
Nitrate explosions happen every now and again, and they're incredibly devastating.
Every time
cold dune
Firecrackers going off that lead to huge amonium nitrate pile next door? I dunno sounds like the kind of crappy cover story you make when you dont REALLY care and just need flimsy denial, which is all anyone needs nowdays
ala everything Russia or Saudi or Israel do thats underhanded geopolitically.
neat holly
i think those were bullets, actually
atomic meteor
And it's always the fault of poor safety and handling practices
cold dune
Fairenough though it is a once decent country failing to massive corruption and protest
topaz hedge
Basically Australia gets invaded by some country
cold dune
could obviously have been an accident just seems deeply suspicious in its timing to me in multiple ways.
topaz hedge
And these kids who were out in the outback didn’t realise it until they came back
neat holly
thats why i jumped on that tweet
atomic meteor
Being the middle east, when would it have not been suspicious to happen?
Like be real
topaz hedge
And so they now start fighting a survival/gurreila warfare
neat holly
im begging to be proven wrong on my suspisions
atomic meteor
Any time in the past or future 10 years, it would've been surrounded by shady shit happening all over the region. Because that's the world we live in right now.
cold dune
Right but right now is a key moment where a lot is happening beacuse one side have chance
topaz hedge
I dunno, it did mention in one of the books that they used a truck full of ammonium nitrate to blow up the enemy’s major port
atomic meteor
Why is it a key moment?
cold dune
Whislt Netinyahu and Trump/Kushner stay in power neither groups having long potentially
they have their window and have clearly shown it beacuse they have made a lot of sweeping political moves as well as stepped up active attacks on Iranian infastructure and mllitary sites.
Cant say they ARENT making a play or atleast seriously thinking about it more and more.
atomic meteor
what
It's incredibly divergent from this pattern of attacks
That's why it fits the current pattern
?????? 
?????
cold dune
its all still just about plausible denability stuff, the sabotages and ooops dronestrikes. A way to slap down lebanon and make it more suspecitble to western aid packages and all that jazz to wean it off its Iranian leanings eeh im too high and drunk to properly unpack this
and im doing a terrible job
So ill concede defeat before i look stupid 😄
atomic meteor
That's the thing. That stuff happens all the time. But, nations do these things for relatively logical reasons, through relatively logical methods, to achieve relatively logical goals.
atomic meteor
Assuming this was an attack, it wasn't done through a logical method, and I can't think of a reasonable goal.
topaz hedge
Cripple their major port?
cold dune
Final point then ill try argue concisely, you dont think a cripplign economic blow to Lebanon is a rational strategic goal?
atomic meteor
The contention is that because it's the middle east, where sketchy shit happens, this major thing that happened is the result of sketchy shit
cold dune
Lebanon is as I say the battleground between them and it is of uncertain loyalties in where it would ultimetly come out. The more it fails the more it turns against Hizbollah(?).
I dunno.
atomic meteor
For whom? For whom does an unstable Lebanon benefit?
neat holly
probably anyone against israel
atomic meteor
^
topaz hedge
The invader?
atomic meteor
The Anti-Israel side for sure. Gives Hezbollah lots of ammo and unrest to work with.
But, this is such an inefficient way to do that.
Nations have tried to do this before, with much more rational methods.
This is super hard to pin on the Israelis, for one.
topaz hedge
So if they did want to do this, they woulda just done an air strike?
atomic meteor
Who wanted to do what exactly?
atomic meteor
again, The contention is that because it's the middle east, where sketchy shit happens, this major thing that happened is the result of sketchy shit
topaz hedge
That port that got blown makes up like 90% of Lebanon’s imports or something
atomic meteor
But the potential actors don't benefit directly from the predictable effects, and the method is as cumbersome as they come
How long will it take to fix?
Obviously the cratered area will take months
But the rest of the port? back online within a week, tops.
topaz hedge
So your saying that the method they employed doesn’t make sense/isn’t really conventional? If they did do this
atomic meteor
Plus, why would you detonate something so far away from the actual shipping intake area? Where the most imports are physically offloaded?
neat holly
uh... maybe? I haven seen any satellites images or anything, but from what i understand the whole port is out of commission. All the infrastructure is fucked.
atomic meteor
Yeah. It was literally an entire warehouse of nitrates. Think about how cumbersome it is to buy, move and store all that nitrate. When you could just use a conventional bomb or sabotoge, and get a hit directly on the actual target, supposedly the port.
topaz hedge
They didn’t buy that nitrate
atomic meteor
Right now, yes. Much of the port is leveled or otherwise destroyed.
topaz hedge
The Lebanese confiscates it from I believe Hezbollah
And then for some reason left it all in a warehouse
atomic meteor
And it just happened, then, to be stored at this warehouse?
topaz hedge
Waiting for something to tick
atomic meteor
Again, consider how many tons of this stuff there was. Well over 2k
neat holly
i mean... logically it seems like a good place to go
atomic meteor
Think about just the sheer number of trucks, and time it takes, to move all that.
neat holly
major port where military is porbably stations
topaz hedge
Like you said, in the Middle East there’s a lot of shady shit
atomic meteor
And this is the most backwards ass, airport-spy novel, convoluted scheme to accomplish anything.
That also has incredible collateral damage BTW
neat holly
makes for good tv if anything
topaz hedge
Leaving hundreds if not thousands of tons of Amonium nitrate in a wharehouse is some shady shit
neat holly
though, maybe we are taking this the wrong way? Maybe israel is trying to... help? by swinging anti-syrian support and getting the civil unrest pointed in a productive direction?
topaz hedge
God all this stuff sounds like something out of a movie or a novel
atomic meteor
No, that sounds like regular human incompetence
Despite the fact that it's incredibly dangerous, this is far from the first or last time this has happened
Texas city 1947
neat holly
china 2015
topaz hedge
Anyways
topaz hedge
Let’s talk about China
atomic meteor
1 is where the explosion happened
neat holly
oooooh shit\
atomic meteor
2 is where the majority of misc goods are unloaded
topaz hedge
Nono I’m not having a hissy fit about Xi Jinping
atomic meteor
Why would they plot to destroy site 2 with an explosion from site 1?
atomic meteor
Also: "Port of Beirut temporarily closed" yeah I bet lol
neat holly
hes a brilliant bastard whose dangerously well equiped to re-establish china as the dominent world power.
yeah, that makes more sense seeing the unloading area
atomic meteor
Assuming the world keeps going just right for him.
neat holly
slight damage at a max
yeah, if the world just keeps turning a blind eye, then sure
hes got that down
topaz hedge
Anyways I heard one or more of Xi’s general doesn’t like his actions
atomic meteor
China has benefited from decades of favorable treatment by the US, World Bank, EU, ect. That have helped him transform the country. But I don't think his economy is resilient as he would like it to be.
Here's a fun paradigm: in an economic security sense, it is usually better to be an importing country, rather than an exporting country, in a total GDP sense
neat holly
if we start... you know... punishing the country for literally stealing sovereignty from under the noses of other nations, we gots ourselves a war, frens.
atomic meteor
It'll literally never happen, unless China balkanizes itself
errant sentinel
i think a ground war in china would be absolute hell for any invading countries
atomic meteor
Yes
neat holly
i dont know maaaan... Chinas got a mightly long history of breaking itself up
topaz hedge
China says that the south China seas was like rightfully theirs as it had been for millennium
atomic meteor
I don't see them breaking up any time soon.
topaz hedge
Like as if anyone cares about maritime rights from two thousand years ago
errant sentinel
china is high functioning autistic
atomic meteor
Also, something to keep in mind guys
neat holly
i wish
atomic meteor
Where is everyone from here? Generally? I'm from Texas.
topaz hedge
Australia
errant sentinel
tennessee
atomic meteor
Is it safe to assume everyone else lives in the West?
neat holly
chicago public library
topaz hedge
Yeah
errant sentinel
we can all talk shit about china
atomic meteor
That, generally, "The West" and China, don't understand each other on a cultural level.
topaz hedge
Well.......
atomic meteor
Much of our fundamental assumptions about people, communities, cultural touchstones, ect, simply don't apply.
topaz hedge
Your right about one thing
errant sentinel
im gonna be honest, most people from the west think china is full commie when its starting to de-communism a bit
the economy is more capitalist than it was
atomic meteor
That works both ways. They think we're mostly crazy assholes I'm sure.
topaz hedge
Except I have some friends I know who are actually Chinese/Asian
Heck I’m Asian myself I’m born in Indonesia
atomic meteor
It's deeper than "China's commie hur dur." Even though we have lots of chinese media to consume, even if we all read it, it would be difficult to really understand what China "thinks" or "wants"
We can make assumptions, but they're likely to be wrong on at least some level
neat holly
the economy of china is not "capitalistic". It is controlled extemely by the government on maters of principle, and is rewarded for its ability to privately compete for the benefit of everyone
errant sentinel
the chineese government has control over the media
topaz hedge
So you can’t really determine their goals
neat holly
It is privately owned, but controlled by the party in many ways
atomic meteor
I don't mean to find out the truth, I just mean to understand what the people and the state think and want. That's not impossible to do under state media at all.
neat holly
Its just harder to get here in the states, because a lot of out thinking leaves out the last 30 years of development
atomic meteor
China doesn't, and doesn't need to, operate within the confines of what western countries would or should do in their position.
neat holly
like... people still think that market liberalization will lead to the fall of communism
atomic meteor
That's hard to get your head around.
Exactly. We all thought that.
And then it didn't
errant sentinel
it wont
atomic meteor
Although, that one thing happened at the place with the tanks. That started from something, even if it was suppressed.
neat holly
it lead to the event that china insists didnt happen
yeah
that was the moment the cards were left on the table
topaz hedge
I don’t think China would be able to last this long
neat holly
it technically worked... but they said no, this isnt happening. not here
topaz hedge
Maybe for the next few decades yeah
atomic meteor
Anyway, China's economy currently relies on incredibly massive government spending, guidance, and exports. The rest of the world buying their stuff basically.
neat holly
and they have no alternatives
atomic meteor
When China's govt stops doing massive spending and guidance/direction, it stops being China as we know it, so let's not touch that for now.
neat holly
this is a huge reason china has such a vested interest in slowing india down
atomic meteor
China has two ways to get out of needing the rest of the world to buy their shit. Currently we buy their shit because it's economical, but that won't last forever and they know that.
neat holly
this is why china has opened up
atomic meteor
- Generate a large enough consumer (middle) class, that domestic consumption of goods can meet domestic production of goods. Currently, China's people are not rich enough, on the whole, to totally satisfy their economy.
- Grab the balls of the world supply chain in some way, making them an irreplaceable part of the world economy.
Basically, they either lean into their domestic economy, or they lean into the world economy hard and fast enough that nobody can cut them out.
Currently, they're def leaning into the domestic side.
Or, at least, I'm pretty sure they are. They're certainly burning all the poorly made, amateur bridges they built with nations all over Asia and Africa.
(Minor effects of always being a hegemon, and your only foreign policy being based on tributaries rather than trade or rivalries)
I'm not sure how much they've tried to adapt to the western way of diplomacy, and how much they're making it their own recently by being aggressively nationalistic to other nations through their diplomats.
neat holly
Have you ever watched Kraut?
atomic meteor
Nope, never heard of that
neat holly
really?
Well you might like one of the video essays he did a little while ago
Its a really long watch, but goes into some good detail.
atomic meteor
Jesus tittyfucking christ that's a 1 hour video
neat holly
It is pretty comprehensive
id say listen to it, follow the footnote trail, and then form a conclusion, cuz this video along with the supplementary research is where i got a lot of my understanding about what china has been up to.
and, more damningly, how we have been exacerbating the problem.
atomic meteor
That's kinda an understatement eh?
real swift
China relies a lot on the Bretton woods system that was founded after world war two
atomic meteor
More-or-less enabling them to grow so fast
More precisely, an exploitation of that system @real swift
real swift
but so does most of the world besides the US, who created bretton woods to win the cold war
atomic meteor
Yeah, it's literally the foundation of modern U.S. Hegemony.
real swift
but with the US becoming disenfranchised with the idea of being a global power we could very well see an end of the bretton woods system, its outgrown its use, no point using a tool to fight an enemy who is decades gone
atomic meteor
honestly, I don't think it's going anywhere.
atomic meteor
Partially because (sue me) I think Trump is too surface level to actually change it in a meaningful way
lime junco
Twitter
real swift
And theres no real power that could replace it
If that happens
that will be a show to be sure
atomic meteor
That's the thing: The American People have always loathed the idea, ambivalent at best, of being a world power
real swift
Mhm
atomic meteor
Economically, Politically, Structurally, we're set up to be the world power for the forseeable future
So, public opinion can be whatever it wants
real swift
Yeah exactly
neat holly
well, world power in the sense that anything we do or say reflects on the rest of the world
real swift
The US is a world power that has no major global interest
neat holly
and that we hate that dichotomy as a people in general
atomic meteor
But the dollar will remain the world's foundational currency, freedom of the seas will remain the de-facto law, and so on. Because it's the foundation of American supremacy and I honestly don't think a grassroots movement could dismantle it if they wanted to.
real swift
there is nothing that can truely harm the US with the fact that the major thing was oil imports, which the US is now a net exporter of
neat holly
The US has ties everywhere, but no real desire to be anywhere other than on an island
real swift
thats fair
atomic meteor
And all non-grassroots movements benefit from it
real swift
I personally have been following the geopolitical analyst peter zeihan
atomic meteor
/orgs /entities
real swift
Guy speaks facts and he has a pretty good track record of calling shit out before it happens
Yeah lobbying groups are a big power in the US
atomic meteor
It's why I like geopolitics, generally. It feels much more objective than regular politics.
real swift
Yeah
I also like looking at the demographics of china
Because when you have a one china policy 25 years ago you tend to run out of 25 year olds
Ynno?
atomic meteor
Dude the actual insanity of the current demographigal collapse is fucking insane and I can't believe nobody is talking about it
real swift
I KNOW
neat holly
i feel like that feeling of objectivity has a lot to do with the American education system in general being piss poor as preparing you for a world that doesn't consist of America on a sea of migrant workers.
real swift
The only major nation that is immune to its effects for at least one or two more decades
Is the united states
And france,
oh also New Zealand
atomic meteor
nobody teaches geopolitics outside of college. It's too depressing and niche for the average person anyway.
real swift
But thats it
neat holly
I only just recently got interested and discovered... like... things exist outside of the country
holy shit
atomic meteor
I still credit EU4 to this day for my impeccable geography skills 
real swift
The 3 main nations with stable demographics is the US, France, and New zealand
Thats why i look more to france than germany
atomic meteor
NZ getting lots of asian migrants or something? Why not Australia?
atomic meteor
Also, I'd expect Germany to at least try to change that. They literally invited fucktons of turks right after the second world war for demographic reasons, so.
neat holly
As i recall, china has a really big interest in australia
atomic meteor
BUT LIKE, AT THE SAME TIME
HOW THE FUCK IS THE WORLD EVEN GOING TO WORK IN 50 YEARS?
neat holly
Lucky bastard getting to use caps all you want
atomic meteor
How the fuck is the world going to work with a population that's stagnant? Literally unprecedented in recorded history.
hehe mod perks 
neat holly
uh... not really?
real swift
Also most likely an entirely new economic ism, @atomic meteor
atomic meteor
DUDE
real swift
so taxes are a thing right? That gap between the Big and small bar? Means less tax money
atomic meteor
The world's population is going to fucking shrink pretty soon
real swift
Less tax money means holy shit economy go AAAAA
atomic meteor
and THE MAJORITY OF IT WILL BE OLD, RETIRED, GETTING PENSIONS AND NOT WORKING
like
real swift
Yes
atomic meteor
HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK
real swift
Demographic collapse is terrifying
I love talking about it because people dont realize the world and the global economy will most likely collapse in a decade
karmic ether
i'd hope our technology levels will be at something that we can't comprehend in our era
real swift
Maybe less because COVID honestly speeds it up
karmic ether
cmon, singularity 2050
atomic meteor
It's even nearer than the climate crisis
real swift
honestly with covid
atomic meteor
The correct answer is tax rich and corporations more as automation increases to cover temporary relative rise in pensions. Because it's the correct answer, we won't do it and will try at all costs to do anything else.
real swift
I could see it happening around 2030
neat holly
Im still waiting on transhumanist tech to come out
karmic ether
so basically the entire world collapses not because a disaster or anything but because everyone becomes and old fart and dies/retires?
real swift
@atomic meteor can we talk about the US having no foreign policy for 3 presidents?
Sure anti terrorism
But thats a single issue
After the cold war the US just sat there like “ok time to not change anything for 24 years”
atomic meteor
Ahh, imagine being the most powerful country on the planet, having no foreign policy for 24 years and 3 full presidential terms, and still being the most powerful country on the planet
fuck yeah
neat holly
Weve all forgotten what a foreign policy is.
neat holly
i think that sort of ties back to everyone just flocking around the us for the bast 100 years
atomic meteor
I have zero faith in our current political leadership, on either side, to competently solve our current near or long term problems
neat holly
lol
atomic meteor
I don't wanna get into how the American political system is currently paralyzed and I don't see a way out of it . . . we were talking about demographics, right?
neat holly
I wish we had an advanced enough political system to be able to have more that 2 sides without ruining everything for everyone
atomic meteor
Yeah fuck the NFA
real swift
Also it doesn’t help that the Coalitions we call political parties are currently in flux
thats why they are paralyzed rn
They are grasping for new large voting blocs to support their parties
atomic meteor
that's the thing. Not accounting for parties in the constitution guarantees a two party system
atomic meteor
idk, sure does suck rn
but you're riht
*right
neither side has a bedrock base right now
neat holly
Its more that we never considered the alternatives until it was too late
real swift
yeah it sucks while its happening
but it’ll pass
what sucks is congress not having term limites
neat holly
probably because the electoral college was supposed to be the clincher
atomic meteor
so much of the us is absolutely sick of the current parties, neither party can do anything but cater to their extremes
real swift
But the cool thing is,
atomic meteor
Nobody has a blue collar voting bloc anymore
real swift
34 states agree and they can call a constitutional convention to make an ammendment
neat holly
Yeah, they do. They are the farmers
atomic meteor
I honestly hope one or more of the parties collapses sooner rather than later so someone can remake them from the ground up
atomic meteor
That's the thing: at least one of the parties (preferably the democrats) needs to be completely rebranded/rebuilt. But I don't see anyone in a position to do it. Might change soon though.
real swift
Mhm
neat holly
it would be whatever. It would make the house of representative the body it was always meant to be. the voice of the people.
real swift
Someone with charisma (like god emperor Teddy Roosevelt) could probably do it
atomic meteor
Kinda why I'm so dissapointed in Biden as a pick . . . like, Hillary was a turd, but this guy is a wet blanket. Just as "Status McQuo"
neat holly
hes also a political time bomb
atomic meteor
yeah that kind of strong, uniting leader with a broad well supported platform
atomic meteor
God, 2016 was such a roller coaster
neat holly
I dont think its happening. If my gut is telling me anything. weve got 4 more years of this schmuk
atomic meteor
Fucking Hillary called the campaign for Trump before CNN. I felt like I was watching a parody.
real swift
Lmao
neat holly
god please dont let it happen again
real swift
Mhm
neat holly
that is true
atomic meteor
there's some serious heat rn. He is, so, so, so not doing himself any favors
neat holly
honestly, its gonna come down to voter apathy
real swift
ive actually been to a rally of his, and he commanded that place man
neat holly
frankly, if theres any bloc to not vote, its the people who think masks are the tits and work
real swift
Mhm
atomic meteor
If he could just stop saying like every month "Don't worry about the virus, it'll go away," that might help
real swift
A lot of blunders recently
neat holly
the crazies who didnt care will be at the polls like usual
atomic meteor
Yeah trump has catering to his base down to a damn science
Cringe as hell but I totally get why so many people diefy him
real swift
Covid response was fucked because it was legit this
Federal Govt: so u gonna handle this right
State Govt: i thought u were gonna do it?
insert 3 months of no action
real swift
Yeah
atomic meteor
Just so many fuckups after fuckups
real swift
US is very good at dealing with shit on the local level
neat holly
this is why i want my state to grow a pair of fucking balls and succeed
real swift
Federal level it takes time to get shit done
atomic meteor
It's retarded because we have these, like, federal organizations? Called , FEMA? And, like, the CDC?
And yet the federally organized response has been shit
real swift
But when it happens? It happens with the force of the american economy
atomic meteor
That's the thing: locally controlled emergency management is great for stuff like flooding, hurricanes, so on.
It doesn't fucking work for a pandemic.
atomic meteor
It just doesn't
real swift
Lmao
atomic meteor
I just can't believe that he's basically said "your on your own states have fun"
neat holly
See.. ive always been a grass roots sort of dude. Im lucky to live in a pretty big city with lots of money. I look to my governer and my mayor WAY more than i do to the feds
real swift
He deals with his critics in such a childish way i find it funny as hell
neat holly
because those guys actually might care about what we little folks think needs doing
feds couldnt give two licks about what me, or even my state needs or wants
atomic meteor
It's great here in Texas too, the governor is literally flip-flopping between "let the local government agencies handle it" and "we can't let local agencies mandate masks or close businesses because that would upset a Karen"
real swift
no way
atomic meteor
It feels like he goes back and forth every damn day
real swift
Tbf the CDC was fucked out of being prepared by the medical industry
neat holly
so fuck it. Imma just hang out in my little town here and pray to god i dont gotta get the gun
atomic meteor
Also, no actual leadership from his ass. Just pushed it all on the local agencies, but stepped in to fuck them over when he gets a chance to cater to karens.
real swift
legit couldn’t get supplies because companies didn’t want to allow them to get a really good product that was cheap and useful
So they bought the company making it
Then took the CDC contract
atomic meteor
In Texas, emergency management has to start and end with the local agency
And again, this works great for hurricanes, shootings, flooding, whatever. Geographically constrained emergencies, relatively.
But pandemic response HAS to happen at a high level, because people constantly move between local authorities and there aren't enough cops in all the world to enforce a county by county quarantine
all your messages are coming in like ever 3 minutes all at once @real swift
Anyway: long story short
The game was rigged from the start
real swift
Yeah
But the issue with that
US is really good with dealing with crisis on the state level
Not the federal level
US federal government just isn’t fast enough to deal with it
lmao
Yes
im sorry dyno my phone is dying
neat holly
I knew it! You mods were rigging it
real swift
@atomic meteor really cool thing doe. This is random, but uhhh, Mexico is now a much better trade parter with the US than canada has been, and Canada is now more of an industrial competitor than a partner
This will be interesting to see the consequences of
atomic meteor
Generally. But even if 47 continental states do it perfectly, if one state fucks it up the pandemic spreads. That's how it works. You have to have top-down control to stop the spread, or all you can do is state level mitigation and response.
real swift
With canada also not having a very stable time with them having to funnel money to quebec to keep them in canada, and now the provinces who are having money taken from them for this (Alberta) are now wantin to leave
atomic meteor
Huh. I somehow doubt that Canada is a competitor in any way, simply based on demographics. Maybe in a niche way. But Mexico getting better is always a good thing.
I'm still just like
wow
can't believe I'm going to live through like 2-3 major global societal uphevals
pretty neat man
I feel like a member of the greatest generation
but with less racism
topaz hedge
You know, one day we'll tell this story to our kids when we grow old
maybe our grandkids if we are lucky
atomic meteor
Well
real swift
Id say demographic collapse is an upheaval lmao
real swift
But demographic collapse is very much lessened in the US
Interesting tidbit about USMCA or NAFTA2 is that
topaz hedge
(o_O)?
real swift
Canada didn’t get much say in it
neat holly
Maybe im misunderstanding the idea of Demographic collapse. Is this the theory that the less homogeneous a group becomes, the more unstable it becomes?
real swift
Mexico and America did most of the negotiations
topaz hedge
you never know you never know
topaz hedge
you cant go a century without at least seeing some shit
atomic meteor
There's no telling how resource paradigms are going to change soon, either with the further proliferation of renewables or the possible discovery of h3 on the moon or possible asteroid mining.
Though that last bit is super out there
neat holly
Climate change is on, but i feel like that will be less of a society ender as much as it will be a great unifier
atomic meteor
I mean, it's not like the apocalypse is gonna happen
but it's going to be crazy drastic change, and relatively fast
neat holly
tragedy tends to do that to humans
atomic meteor
nope, that's not it @neat holly
real swift
Damn i hate my phone rn, i wanna vibe with the boys with an epic discussion about demographic collapse and geopolitics but its not lettin me😢
atomic meteor
Demographic collapse is simply . . . . well, ya know how we used to think the world population would reach like 100 billion by 2050? @neat holly
neat holly
population dynamics?
topaz hedge
rip
atomic meteor
How population has absolutely skyrocketed since the industrial revolution
Well, we realized that's stopped happening.
neat holly
and the idea that we are over correcting or something?
atomic meteor
It happened first in Japan and Europe, and at first we thought it was cultural
neat holly
probably not intentionally, but still
atomic meteor
But now we see that it's a universal trend. It's happening to all nations over the world, some sooner or faster than others.
The rate at which our population is growing is slowing drastically, and it might even shrink eventually. Currently, we think it'll peak around 2050 at 10 billion.
plain mountain
well there's not much of anywhere to really spread to now
atomic meteor
While that contraction happens, the world population will for the first time ever be majority old rather than majority young
neat holly
I dont think that will result in a collapse assuming technology continues on the path its on
atomic meteor
Consider for a moment what that means
Fewer people entering the workforce, doing entry level jobs, working at my taco bell
many, many, many more old people, retired, not contributing to the economy, but taking pensions every month
All the while, for the first time our economies can't rely on a growing population for guaranteed consumption.
It's completely unprecedented in recorded history. Populations, economies, barring some exceptions have always slowly grown over time.
It's especially unthinkable in a post-industrial world, where economies constantly grow exponentially
wow chill out dyno
neat holly
yeah, see... this chat room aint big enough for our big brains
atomic meteor
It won't be a collapse of civilization, but it is a complete collapse of all demographic assumptions we've ever made as a species
Additionally, our modern economies are fundamentally based on year-on-year growth.
neat holly
Also, one thing i think we all forget is that the economy of a nation, atleast today, is free floating and basically a measure of... well faith really
atomic meteor
Is that even possible with a stagnant population?
jovial carbon
shs aleksander
atomic meteor
You're thinking of GDP/stocks. The economy, on a granular level, is "are people able to find jobs, get paid, and buy things"
that's very concrete
jovial carbon
im tryna read a real conv
errant sentinel
jeeze ok
atomic meteor
the prevailing theory currently for why the demographic collapse is happening is because of greater education, contreception, and generally better opportunities for Women worldwide.
Sure. I don't think money will collapse as an idea.
lime junco
Get clap by Uber drive ex army sgt and a furry
neat holly
no no, you misunderstand. the economy is a religion, in the broadest sense. and money is sort of the measure of that faith. Value is only dictated by the faith one has in that idea
economies dont exclusivally grow due to any productivity
atleast not anymore
they grow because we say it does
cursive solar
Yes, borrow and spend, you plebs
cursive solar
productivity does need initial capital to kick it off
neat holly
In a more real way, sure, but on a practical level, it might as well be a dart board
atomic meteor
Industrial innovations increase productivity, but what happens when demand doesn't rise because there simply aren't enough people to consume it all?
cursive solar
uh, price tanking
atomic meteor
We're talking about the impending demographic collapse @cursive solar
neat holly
Nothing really. Consumer markets only make up a fraction of the wealth of a nation
Though, it is something to tackle
the real problem is the confrontation we will inevitably have to face with that faith based money system. That being that when the needs of the people outweight the value of the dollar, it tanks
atomic meteor
It all comes back to consumers and consumption. Everything. All capital improvements are to increase production, assuming that it will then be consumed. We don't have parts of the economy based on things not being consumed
neat holly
I mean... the money market is literally that
also anything involving data is a non consumable consumable
atomic meteor
What is it tied to?
neat holly
nothing
atomic meteor
Stonks
atomic meteor
Oh, do you mean like buying and selling different currencies?
neat holly
yes, but one level up
buying and selliung currency IS a good, but money is not a good
neat holly
it is not, and it happens every day
atomic meteor
Yeah it's wierd but it's worked this far and I don;t see why it would change
There's literally entire markets built around buying money
cursive solar
that sounds very productive
atomic meteor
it's because you're buying different currencies for other different currencies @errant sentinel
errant sentinel
right im retarded
neat holly
Which is why i dont think we are going to face any economic collapse
atomic meteor
it's ok we're all 2 braincells away from retard here
errant sentinel
lool
cursive solar
don't worry, ya'll 2 braincells ahead of most people
atomic meteor
So anyway
jovial carbon
me no understand me want smash rock and invade sealand
atomic meteor
gonna go buy some MREs and clean my guns I think
cursive solar
MREs are alright
jovial carbon
depend on wich country
cursive solar
american MRE crackers tho
jovial carbon
i heard US one aren't that good
cursive solar
US one's have very DRY crackers my dude
errant sentinel
i have a friend in the military who says the MRE's arent too bad
atomic meteor
used to throw in little mini bottles the size of yer thumb
no more tho
yeah they're just fine
errant sentinel
online friend
jovial carbon
miss me with that moderne shit gib me my 1860 civil war qpoiled beef can
jovial carbon
i do wonder wich country MRE are the tastiest?
cursive solar
I'd rather gamble with the american crackers rather than the chinese bricks the great wall is made of though
atomic meteor
they have a maple syrup steak MRE
jovial carbon
WAT
atomic meteor
yeah
cursive solar
they have nice packaging and everything
jovial carbon
me look at tartiflette MRE
atomic meteor
but forreal, you MREphiles:
If you eat an MRE, make sure you eat ALL of it. They're meant to be eaten as a complete meal, so if you don't eat all the sides and even the dessert you're missing out on stuff and you might've well as bought a better tasting civvie dry meal.
jovial carbon
dont say shit about sugar and meat fool
atomic meteor
Candy bars don't count I mean like when they include muffin tops
cursive solar
even the tootsie rolls?
jovial carbon
candy are supposed to be eaten on the walk right?
errant sentinel
Dude
atomic meteor
they're for whenever you want. It's candy. You see any "no candy zone" signs around?
errant sentinel
Maple syrup on steak sound shit
Listen
If you're gonna eat stake its with steak sauce or hot sauce
atomic meteor
You uncultured swine
jovial carbon
yeah in any school
errant sentinel
You commie scum
jovial carbon
1v1
atomic meteor
errant sentinel
bet
cursive solar
no, the spinach omlette is apparently one of the worse canadian MREs
plain mountain
MREs are good
had a couple in idaho once
I think I got like sloppy joes and a burger
jovial carbon
bruh you havent eaten raw shit until you have tasted the "joue de porc" or pig cheek
atomic meteor
People say they clog yer asshole, but that's only partially true
one, or two, or three MREs are fine
atomic meteor
If you eat nothing but MREs for like a week though? Hope your colon has calluses 
plain mountain
MREs are like, only meant to be stand-ins for out in the field until you get to a field kitchen (in theory anyways)
jovial carbon
all of them EXECPT joue de porc
plain mountain
in practice it probably varies if you get nothing but MREs for a week or more
atomic meteor
yeah that's a capital "I" "T" in theory there
neat holly
You guys talking about MREs?!?
atomic meteor
no we're talking about uhhh
jovial carbon
bruh do like snake eat some MRE and a few dead spetnaz and maybe one bat
plain mountain
MaRinE
MREs are just edible marines
jovial carbon
TASTY
atomic meteor
not true
plain mountain
they only come in crayon flavor though
atomic meteor
I've never seen an MRE include crayons so
jovial carbon
"so paramedic.... how does it taste"
atomic meteor
you little fuck you beat me to the crayon joke 
plain mountain
neat holly
nice hiss
errant sentinel
marine mre is crayons
cursive solar
well, they probably have some combat enhancing chemicals in them
like a american shoca kola
jovial carbon
i do like the crayons tho
neat holly
so says Chesty, out lord and savior
errant sentinel
yes
atomic meteor
no, they had to make special govt brand "Colored Wax Drawing Implements" for 30x as much from a contractor
The regular crayola crayons melted too much 😦
cursive solar
30x as much
good use of tax money
jovial carbon
atomic meteor
nahh they don't do the 'ole "crack to the pilots to stay awake" deal anymore
jovial carbon
snake and the colonel spitting fact and noledge
atomic meteor
most you'll see is caffine pills
Although, I did hear about methanphetamine pills for some ultra long range pilots before, but that was back in the 80s
cursive solar
I can believe that
atomic meteor
yeah the US never went full "Let's just literally meth the fuck out of our entire battlegroup" like the Germans
jovial carbon
meth for warden when
cursive solar
I'd like to believe that somewhere out there in a parallel universe there's a alternate version of girl's last tour with the two encountering a cache of anphetamines
atomic meteor
and immediately OD'ing
and the rest of the episode is just 3 minutes of spasms, frothing, and then silence for 10 minutes on a fixed camera shot
jovial carbon
no plz n
atomic meteor
then straight to credits
jovial carbon
that could be a weird episode
cursive solar
well, it's as good as the canon ending
jovial carbon
or the start of a really weird doujins
plain mountain
all countries experimented with meth pills to some degree for combat weariness, but as far as I can tell it was mostly the axis powers who really went through with it
cursive solar
@jovial carbon No.
jovial carbon
shit
atomic meteor
they kinda needed every advantage they could get, I guess
jovial carbon
i guess it stop the hunger
errant sentinel
next up: heroin
plain mountain
though some finnish guy downed like his entire squad's allowance of meth and then lived on literally nothing but treesap and a single bird he shot, after living through a landmine and evading escape several times
errant sentinel
wait shit we already did that
cursive solar
well, when you don't have enough night flying training due to a lack of fuel, I guess you've got to mitigate somehow
plain mountain
finns are scary
jovial carbon
crackhead soldier are the most fearsome
cursive solar
Finns don't count as canon, half their shit consists of captured or repurposed equipment
errant sentinel
morphine is just super heroin
errant sentinel
wait no heroin is super morphine
atomic meteor
Suddenly, all those "Florida Man" stories make much more sense
plain mountain
lol
cursive solar
if finns were in cadia, they would've killed chaos space marines and stolen their bolters, taken their power armor apart for spare parts and captured a destroyer to evacuate the collapsing planet
atomic meteor
If you just think of Meth as, like, ghetto super soldier pills
jovial carbon
bruh no idiot would try to use chaos equipement cuz that's hella not epic
super getho pills?
atomic meteor
*ghetto super pills
jovial carbon
that's how CJ infiltrated area 51
atomic meteor
cuz they don't work that good, wear off quick, and make you lose your teeth
jovial carbon
make more sense
cursive solar
crazy drug stories consists of things like "man keeps running after deep wounds in the thigh near a critical blood vessel, keeps running until passing out over a 30 minute chase"
jovial carbon
cheese
cursive solar
it worked, until you realize it's 1944 at ostfront and you're in battlegroup center
fun times.
jovial carbon
fun times
errant sentinel
funt times
cursive solar
arguably as good as it gets as the axis powers
jovial carbon
its more efficient than vibe crystal whatever that bullshit is
cursive solar
hey, at least you don't get 'mystery meat' like your ww1 PTSD stricken father to have as a potential last meal
jovial carbon
M E A T
errant sentinel
every meal is a potential last meal if u think about it
cursive solar
mmmyes rally to the artillery calibration tree and suffer 97% casualty rate
errant sentinel
you can choke and die easily
haha look at the monkey who typed too many caps ahahhahaha
atomic meteor
get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuckd
jovial carbon
97% ? total victory!
cursive solar
entente moment
errant sentinel
space marines be like
jovial carbon
stfu 1v1 uno
atomic meteor
jovial carbon
fuk
atomic meteor
jovial carbon
cringe
errant sentinel
alr
atomic meteor
?
jovial carbon
bruh
errant sentinel
atomic meteor
errant sentinel
was gonna be a funny meme but bot says no fun allowed
neat holly
I leave for 10 minutes to watch a lecture, and i come back to this?!?
jovial carbon
yes
neat holly
BRuh
errant sentinel
nobody expects the spanish inquisition
unkempt spoke
@errant sentinel one day you enter Home after playing with your Friends for the last time
atomic meteor
jovial carbon
this is bruhole after all
unkempt spoke
Imaginary friends count
neat holly
So today is a new day fens. What did you learn yesterday
errant sentinel
suicide is painless
neat holly
I learned that Nicotine is not a cancer causing agent
topaz hedge
Wait today is a new day?
jovial carbon
nic- what
neat holly
yeah, Nicotine, as a chemical, is not a cancer causing agent
neat holly
Mostly the other chemicals that float around in tobacco including NNN
more specifically NNN
jovial carbon
No nut november?
errant sentinel
no nicotine november
neat holly
Naw, its... uuuu
jovial carbon
United ultramarine unicorn union?