but it was car manufacturer's money and they did what they wanted with it.
#general-discussion
willow fjord
cerulean orbit
and not one penny came from the US government?
willow fjord
What really grind my gears is people paying highest taxes in history and it's getting wasted in social programs smh
north aspen
Tea goes into the harbor part II
willow fjord
If USA government gave SpaceX money for this it was probably to develop the rockets and share the technology rather than the campaign itself
cerulean orbit
that's the attitude of why the US sends empty cars to space but can't afford a few weeks to save the populous from a pandemic and barely afford a few bucks to people who are affected, compared to canada that has always had a social safety net but never launched a car to space
willow fjord
And developing technology capable of interplanetary travel is money well spent in my book dude
north aspen
A simple inequality
cool > practicality
willow fjord
It gives me Radiohead era alt-rock vibes very cool @limber minnow
The pain of tax funded government is the fact that
bureaucracy takes the biggest share of that money
And tax funded social programs is just the worst idea we got as european/post-european society
cerulean orbit
well there is no government in the world that won't tax people
the difference is what their priorities are in spending it
limber minnow
cerulean orbit
is it fair to fund jumbo jets so the wealthy can go on expensive vacations, and then when there's a pandemic, have the government foot the bill for bringing them back from vacation?
limber minnow
Another new song by another band I like based outta Denmark
willow fjord
and their productivity and fraud tendencies, you could achieve just as much with a fraction of the people and equipment that currently barely works in most countries I am talking about
cerulean orbit
air canada is an example, always been heavily funded every time the left get power and cut funding every time they were voted out, but that money again could be spent on micron microscopes instead of jumbo jets for snowflakes
it's really tough to make a decision what things should be funded by taxpayers
but regardless of what country it is, every one will tax people
willow fjord
Good example is welfare: for every 100 dolls paid to the receiver you have to pay let's say 200 dollars in taxes to compensate all these institutions taking their share for work that is in fact obsolete
cerulean orbit
welfare is really cheap though, would you want to instead subsidize the cost to replace lots of store front windows? cause the poor will just smash their way to get what they need if they don't get welfare
willow fjord
And then you make the society poor with taxes, have to increase welfare for the unlucky and lazy ones then increase taxes to compensate etc.
lol maybe in america countries not here lmao
cerulean orbit
the problem is the right side, which is where I generally sit, our side of the spectrum doesn't want to research what will happen if we drastically cut all the programs at once
we want to save people money on tax but still have a stable country if you know what I mean
willow fjord
I want to have this money for myself even If I will be forced to give some away to ensure poor wellbeing
cerulean orbit
I wouldn't exactly say the neighbours south of us are stable, and to be honest, they aren't cutting tax they're just giving the wealth to big business instead of the poor
willow fjord
Because I can do better with 40% of my earnings than retarded british govt I'm sure of that
cerulean orbit
cutting means cutting, it's hard for anyone to accept a cut, and you have to be careful how you cut budgets so people don't go crazy
willow fjord
I have very radical views but in a sense of being radical to the european way of thinking.
There is surprising amount of things we do that are plain waste just because we do that this way for literal ages
cerulean orbit
our system seems to work together better than other countries
our guy in power basically didn't become a man until this pandemic started hitting us hard, then he realized you can't trust people to listen, you have to actually put up checkpoints and enforce the law
most people did listen though, but it only takes 1 person to spread the virus
willow fjord
To be exact you need at least 2 but yeah that's the problem
cerulean orbit
there are still people who don't even know there is a pandemic going on
willow fjord
Justin Trudeau is heavily into identity politics and in general far on toxic left spectrum. If he uses law as a mean the situation is really critical
cerulean orbit
it is interesting to note that many of our right side started out left first, so they've been on both sides of politics and understand why the other side thinks the way it does
and great to know they are going to work it out together and not throw chunks at each other
willow fjord
Most of the politicians are brainwashed zombies from humanities universities that only understand left good right bad and some just learn their way out of it
cerulean orbit
when this pandemic hit, he dropped many of his policies like a rock and started caring about canada
scenic thunder
did anyone post the astartes part 5 vid yet?
cerulean orbit
ours are mostly lawyers, I think one was an economist, but having lawyers helped because they actually listened to the experts
willow fjord
That's good for you but a bit late I'd say
cerulean orbit
in 2015 spaceX got a subsidy of 4.9 billion by government
at least that is what is written by The Times
sleek wolf
i dont trust new york times
i dont trust, fox, post, CNN, times and the mainstream shit
cerulean orbit
well you know it then comes down to beliefs
sleek wolf
post for washington post
cerulean orbit
I mean it's obvious they were subsidized even if there were no journalists or even if it were a closed system where people are never told where money goes
just calculate based on how many tesla cars were sold and see if the revenue matches the expenses
if there is a vast disconnection between expenses and revenue, there's the big clue
it's kind of like this virus, I mean, china can say anything, they could say unicorns came and saved their people - but the truth is in their actions and not their words - they built 2 massive hospitals in a week
sometimes you gotta think about whether something makes sense or not
karmic ether
SpaceX gets supsides from NASA for contracts, if you consider that govt money sure
however its payment for using there rockets
and SpaceX has payed off the federal loan it did get
Its getting payed for the work it is doing for the federal government, they aren't just going to tell a company to put up a satellite and not pay them anything
short berry
SpaceX is finy and dandy until you realize they are putting hundres of sattelites up in the air to get internet where no one really goes.
and by doing that create light and other communications pollution
short berry
no
they deserve our modern communication machinations
its our mission to civilize them!
./big fucking s
north aspen
But who will civilize them if we don’t?
short berry
I hope you missed your /s
north aspen
Of course, no one in their right minds would not be sarcastic about that
drifting heath
Huh? Whom are we civilizing now?
north aspen
The people not in the U.S.A or Europe
short berry
you know, the people that we historically already tried to civilize
north aspen
If we massacre them and steal their land long enough, they’ll learn to become civilized like us!
vapid ridge
Anyone have an Missile base non background map icon?
woven scarab
My men would like a word about your purse-sonal belongings.
outer trout
https://www.twitch.tv/dingusinc TOURNEY LATER
karmic ether
why dont you like starlink?
They are already fixing the light pollution problem?
its benefits are much greater than the few downsides it has
ebon walrus
I think starlink is sick
north aspen
Space is bad. It can kill people.
karmic ether
cool, so can most things
ebon walrus
@north aspen wait really
shit
screw spaceX i didnt know space was dangerous
they lied to me
karmic ether
bro its crazy
north aspen
I know right?
cerulean orbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z74OfpUbeac for those toilet paper hoarders
copper wing
chrome flower
Good qestion. But also, Why is dog?
charred vigil
I am dog
wise torrent
anyway im here
native sable
abstract furnace
karmic ether
is first contact worth watching?
polar osprey
ebon walrus
well played
native sable
I’ve never heard of someone using a charcoal grill that late at night in anything other than project zomboid.
plain mountain
how even
native sable
Holy fuck Fire hoses are loud
north aspen
Why?
native sable
My dog is barking at the hose
Probably because it’s a concentrated jet of pressurized water capable of Water-Hammering weakened wood an drywall to penetrate into a firescape? @north aspen
north aspen
I mean why grill this late?
native sable
I don’t have any idea why he was grilling at 1:00AM
sleek wolf
plain mountain
doggo :D
north aspen
The dog saves me from the other discussion
plain mountain
also did the dude literally whip out a charcoal grill inside his house because that's the only way I can imagine a housefire starting that way
native sable
No, it was outside,
Although according to the paramedics he burnt a segment of the interior as well.
sleek wolf
NOT YET
plain mountain
how in the hell
ebon walrus
lol
willow fjord
It's funny how there was life and death situation, fire to suppress etc and you are like "reee let me sleep"
native sable
Bill Nye: Lost episode
lusty yoke
maiden fern
@native sable thats weird
also wouldnt the entire population need to deal with the consequences with an EMP
wtf is that shit
native sable
neat lichen
native sable
The Firefighters ruined my flowers goddam it
neat lichen
oh no
native sable
Who cooks Salmon on a charcoal grill at midnight in a house they rented?
neat lichen
high people
native sable
It’s not even Salmon season!
If it was pork like I first thought maybe I’d have more sympathy.
valid wing
did your house burn down
native sable
No the house next door’s deck and exterior paneling.
Also was he grilling Salmon with a sausage-pike?
Because that’s a fucking sausage pike covered in Ash...
karmic ether
probably if he should drink that second six pack
distant violet
Lmao fire trucks are fun 🚒
cerulean orbit
probably the accelerant used to ignite the charcoal was what made the big fire, generally it's recommended to use a little candle under the bricks and let them start burning slowly
it's not made to make a fire in a few seconds, it takes quite a bit of time to get it burning properly, if you want something fast that's why gas barbecues were invented
karmic ether
karmic ether
sleek wolf
sleek wolf
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woven scarab
tbh while interesting to watch, every twitch chat plays I've seen is filled with at least 40% saboteurs and people "trying to be funny".
inland hornet
can someone teach me how to play? its my first day in game
rich hull
karmic ether
Kruppstahl best stahl.
desert helm
"We didn't penetrate their armor!"
woven scarab
he shleep
sleek wolf
let me say something
woven scarab
what if I say no?
sleek wolf
bannerlord has been in development for 8 years, why is it still early access. 8 years and it still has a ton of bugs and shit, missing textures and stuff like that.
woven scarab
and you think it should've been linear progression for all of those 8 years?
sleek wolf
i think it couldve been better
woven scarab
I mean, it's certainly no KCD
sleek wolf
no it shouldve been better
its probably still a good game
but im just saying 8 years
woven scarab
haven't played it?
woven scarab
lol
sleek wolf
bethesda is its own mess
woven scarab
I mean, if you're just reading bugreports that's all you'll ever see
woven scarab
Ah, so you do have warband
sleek wolf
what does that have to do with this
its also just the same game with better graphics and a different map and factions
not saying its bad but its like elder scrolls now
actually elder scrolls is getting dumbed down
woven scarab
looking through the top subreddit posts and this is great
Also release in a nutshell:
sleek wolf
just bought bannerlord
woven scarab
they already fixed a shitton of crashes over the past few days
inland hornet
Can someone teach me how to build tanks? (Dm me pls)
plain mountain
well when a mommy tank and a daddy tank love eachother very much..
inland hornet
@plain mountain oooh....
plain mountain
desert helm
sleek wolf
@desert helm the fuck was that
desert helm
Wrong link.
ebon walrus
these lyrics are fantastic
sleek wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdGKy3nLMeo this is better though
desert helm
I was considering writing a ballad for #foxhole-creative to the tune of Will ye No Come Back again
I happened upon the song above. Really nice and has strong Warden vibes
Anything Celtic or Bagpipes has that feel though.
plain mountain
inland hornet
any colonial that can dm me one second? I have a question
tawdry current
@safe aspen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NVPe_gfZQ
rose lotus
@safe aspen
inland fox
me when i see a recruit grabbing an RPG
safe aspen
@true salmon Is that the reborn game thing?
true salmon
Yeah
safe aspen
Hows that going?
true salmon
Pretty good
safe aspen
Is Steve playing?
safe aspen
Well, its probably better that way
true salmon
Elven and I are though
true salmon
So we have a chance
safe aspen
But ya'll aren't as good as me and Steve
true salmon
The rest don't really
safe aspen
I always felt bad when we were playing
true salmon
Each of us is about as powerful as their entire alliance
safe aspen
Haha
true salmon
And they set the AI to ensign
true salmon
You know Elven's USSR build?
safe aspen
Did it get buffed with the Fed update?
true salmon
It's really good with the Galactic Community
tawdry current
@safe aspen valar dohaeris
true salmon
He gets so much power from the economy
safe aspen
I was playing with my Machines earlier and its still pretty OP
true salmon
Yeah machines are still good
For all the nice nerfs they piled on
I've been playing super tall tech rush
And it's super OP
safe aspen
@true salmon I still love how every game ended up being Me vs. Steve with everyone else playing nice to us
true salmon
Especially since the other guys decided to give me +60% political power from science
Yeah
safe aspen
Which is funny as hell since I was never ever aggressive in those games
I just sat and watched
true salmon
Ya you just outpace
safe aspen
and that terrified people
true salmon
That's what I'm going to be doing in the future
safe aspen
That game is a lot of fun when you just watch tbh
true salmon
Ringworld origin + Tech rush benevolent overseers
safe aspen
Its like playing God
safe aspen
Maybe. Any machines still alive?
true salmon
Uhm
Don't know
None of the AI have really died
Elven and I are abusing the ones in our corner
safe aspen
I actually tried to join the first game. But I had to pick up my brother so I missed the start
true salmon
The rest are abusing a single one because it was in the middle all of them
true salmon
They've gone to war like 4 times with the single AI
plain mountain
wut game is this
safe aspen
Haha
true salmon
Stellaris
plain mountain
o
safe aspen
They should walk over it
true salmon
That.. hasn't happened..
cerulean orbit
stellaris was great before the first patch came out
safe aspen
Why.
true salmon
Uhm
On the 4th war one of them decided to vassalize it
On another of the wars one of them had left and so their AI peaced as soon as it got what it wanted
The other ones they just kind of hit a wall of spaceports and went poof
safe aspen
Honestly we just need me and Steve to play with ya'll and act like Fallen empires
Gotta keep the kiddies in check
true salmon
Over the course of like 4 wars Sir has poured like 60-70K alloys into fleets
safe aspen
Has Sir gotten any better?
true salmon
hahahahahaha
safe aspen
I know he didn't really care to learn last time
true salmon
He actually wants to learn now I think
safe aspen
Gasp!
true salmon
He's been doing pretty well
safe aspen
Well, thats a step in a direction.
true salmon
Of course all the humans are now in 2 giant federations
Elven and I in one, the rest in another
(Lots is sitting on the side as a scion)
safe aspen
Poor lots.
safe aspen
My favorite group game was when I had that one exit out of my entire cluster
and it terrified that one dude beyond it
safe aspen
It was hilarious to just announce what tech I just unlocked
" Oh hey, I just got cruisers."
true salmon
CRZ also didn't realize what empire sprawl was
safe aspen
"I've unlocked Titans."
true salmon
So he did his normal thing of grab the further chokepoints he could
safe aspen
Eh. Empire sprawl is just a number
true salmon
He had like 300% tech penalty
true salmon
I started at the end of that strand in my SP game
true salmon
6 citadels between my capital and the first entrance
tawdry current
@true salmon heyy nice stellaris is great,what empire you are playing?
true salmon
Tech rushing ringworld
true salmon
Yah, I've been playing pop speed bio
Then synthetic ascension
The only reason Elven and I federated in the MP was because we thought we were about to get attacked by the other players
safe aspen
Shouldn't matter so long as you have Citadels
or even close to it.
Fortresses would work too
true salmon
Oh we would have been fine probably
We were only like 80 years in at that point though
true salmon
We're like 115 in right now, still haven't had mid-game
safe aspen
Gasp!
true salmon
I've got multiple 12K fleets sitting in their places
(Since that's fairly small that's about the size of some of the players' entire fleets)
safe aspen
That was another funny thing. I rarely ever had any fleets in those games
true salmon
Yeah, currently the only reason I have them is to get myself some tributaries, then I'll be becoming a hermit and the senate
safe aspen
Hah
safe aspen
Eh. Hiveminds are pretty boring tbh
true salmon
Oh there's some fanitical purifiers
true salmon
RIP the entire galaxy
true salmon
Only machines are Sir
safe aspen
Gasp!
true salmon
With his "COVIEFID-19"
safe aspen
Go figure
true salmon
I think he might have been
Elven did the lost colony origin
So he's got his friendly AI right next to everyone else
And managed to sneak a fleet into them through the other players while we were "helping" with a war
safe aspen
Nice
abstract furnace
safe musk
When do the next war starts?
north aspen
In a while
cerulean orbit
will deployable MG be in the next war?
oh my bad there was no update, I kept thinking there was one at the end of march
outer trout
https://www.twitch.tv/dingusinc
Twitch
DingusInc - Twitch
LIL PEEP CONCERT
LIL PEEP CONCERT 😮
elder socket
Hello
normal root
@true salmon well look at you, moderating all the Discords. Hi from Last Oasis :)
willow fjord
I want to play GTFO but I have no friends interested 
normal root
What’s GTFO? I heard of it but never looked into it @willow fjord
lusty yoke
raw birch
cerulean orbit
that reminds me of COD Zombies
charred vigil
but the best one I've had is still
Ok, Plat IV player
still plaza
hehe
the biggest insult of them all
i feel like looking for cringe on LoL discord server instead of doing my homework
steel pilot
I wonder when Red River will be open again
still plaza
I'm disapointed
LoL discord accualy serves some purpose and isn't just a place to shitpost like i expected
still plaza
although to be fair they have a lot of strict rules and they probably pay their moderators
like they have a #serious channel
but
north aspen
Unlike FOD, who has volunteers
still plaza
once you start going in debt, you stop noticing
lmao seeing clear water in Venice makes you wonder
will they try to keep the water clear after the end of lockdown?
inland hornet
hey
valid wing
still plaza
absolutly fucking cursed
north aspen
Too cursed, please no.
karmic ether
Wow.
Also @still plaza, I've been on servers that severely limit those kinds of discussions.
They are fucking boring and the people there are about as Left as can be.
north aspen
Again, FOD is fun at the cost of your brain cells
still plaza
yeah it's kinda random
you can do some things to make your comunity less toxic
but in the end you're at the mercy of comunity
north aspen
Also, why no conspiracy theories, I want to tell people about how the moon is flat.
karmic ether
I mean, one of the ways you can actually make a community be less toxic is encourage debate.
north aspen
The best way to make the community toxic is to introduce one toxic person
Bam, toxicity 100
karmic ether
Second best way is to also ban any and all debate and discussion.
And also ban ideas that do not align with yours.
still plaza
3rd best way is to give no moderation and make your comunity do witch trails on toxic ppl
aka foxhole aproach
karmic ether
Either way, it's usually best to encourage debate and keep a limited level of intervention from the staff.
north aspen
Until the nightcapping debate happens...
still plaza
tru @karmic ether
karmic ether
There are trolls out there who will try and just get a reaction, but there's also people who genuinely believe such ideas and can have their mind changed.
north aspen
But that is a nightmare not to be discussed.
karmic ether
And I don't mean brainwashing.
north aspen
Being able to Change your opinions is good
Also that is a great video
CGP grey is good.
karmic ether
Hey guys
How is that chick from Phinease and Ferb called? The one who snitches all the time
I need it ASAP
still plaza
freadbear
karmic ether
Unironically, please
still plaza
i dont believe that you're unironically asking
still plaza
its so fucking terribly unfunny that its accualy funny
plain mountain
olive thicket
valid wing
sleek wolf
we be taking over new vegas
ENB is a bit blurry but
the enclave is back and taking over new vegas
inland hornet
fallout 4 is better
sleek wolf
AND fo3 has liberty fucking prime
valid wing
who shot me in the head is obviously the better story
sleek wolf
Your village and a geck
Fallout 1 was the chip
Also fo3 has a much more interesting wasteland than a desert
sleek wolf
I cant kill mr house
But new vegas belongs to the enclave bow
All ncr and new vegas personel have been killed
Long live the enclave!
karmic ether
fallout 4 is better
@inland hornet
ebon walrus
@sleek wolf when did you start accepting wrong opinions
sleek wolf
Since your dumbass just realized i always have
sleek wolf
@karmic ether i keep my eye on you ncr dog
valid wing
ncr more like bad
karmic ether
What?
sleek wolf
Just killer ambassador crocket
valid wing
virgin ncr vs chad robot army
karmic ether
Oh.
sleek wolf
Brotherhood of steel is best
sleek wolf
The BOS or Enclave
ebon walrus
dont they not get along
sleek wolf
I am but i alo aam bos
karmic ether
What?
ebon walrus
sleek wolf
Im a quadruple agent for both sides
ebon walrus
🤨
karmic ether
I just had a 20:1 moment, can someone explain.
To clarify, this is what I mean by a "20:1 moment".
karmic ether
Holy shit, the lighting looks perfect.
ebon walrus
have you tried turning up AA
sleek wolf
also first people i killed in new vegas were the hookers.
ebon walrus
or turning down AA I should say
karmic ether
Good choice.
However, did you go into the Gomorrah and kill the hookers there, too?
sleek wolf
zero enclave losses
karmic ether
If you did not, you didn't finish the job.
native sable
@covert compass Its just a gunboat 😎
willow fjord
I forgot how bright this game is
karmic ether
karmic ether
Can you translate?
north aspen
No
olive thicket
karmic ether
outer trout
https://www.twitch.tv/dingusinc
Twitch
DingusInc - Twitch
LIL PEEP CONCERT
LIL PEEP CONCERT 😮
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ebon walrus
How about no
karmic ether
shrewd flume
Why does he say it like that
tawny wyvern
painters did nothing wrong
north aspen
Right, no painters did anything wrong
tawny wyvern
a very specific painter did nothing wrong
north aspen
Mmhm
cloud void
so i have only played this game for a few days and i have already fallen in love with it. I can tell there is a huge learning curve so if any vetrean players are willing to help me just send me a dm, thanks!
ebon walrus
uh oh
north aspen
Just go to world chat and ask if someone would help you learn logi
@cloud void
Logistics is the best way to learn about this game
charred vigil
best way to make someone quit
desert helm
Yes. Also ask in World chat. More than happy to help you.
cloud void
so what is logistics
charred vigil
world chat is currently not your fucking friend
grab popcorn and enjoy the spectacle
lethal plank
@cloud void every singke thing that you use is made by someone from mining to making to delivering
north aspen
Someone will answer his questions
cloud void
ohhh i get that
novel portal
north aspen
2nd reich is best reich change my mind (democratic germany is the best)
abstract furnace
still plaza
pogs
still plaza
my pc is trash, so i play warband with bannerlord soundtrack
nah i went back to warband to play some mp for like 4-5 hours
upbeat plover
ironically, I first played Warband because my old pc was awful, and now that bannerlord is out, my still rather bad pc can't play it
warband doesn't get old though
still plaza
warband always good
althought i rage at arena and tournametnts
when the enemies with two handed weapons hit you from behind of their friends
so you have 0 chance of fighting back
valid wing
I must say
after playing a bit of bannerlord I kinda prefer warband atm
but BL is still early access
woven scarab
below 350 size it runs pretty well. Above that it starts dipping below 70 fps.
sieges are a bit of a shitshow at 20 fps every time
willow fjord
It's warband 1.5
Not that it's bad, quite the opposite but it's basically the same game somewhat upgraded
woven scarab
@willow fjord to be fair, a lot of the features bannerlord's supposed to have are either currently only half implemented or not implemented at all.
They did say that the Early Access was going to last a year
sleek wolf
8 years in development
raw birch
What they did is Warband with some mods
Viking Conquest was bigger improvement upon franchise than Bannerlord
woven scarab
And who's to say those features aren't going to be in Bannerlord?
8 years in development
uh-huh
you think they should've done it in 2?
shrewd flume
Long development times are a sign of Management issues and might lead to issues as the project continues. As the game might've been reworked plenty of times during a long period like that its not necessarily clear they know where to take their project or how to reach goals they set for themselves. And even if they do the project might've simply been low on funds and might not reach the endpoint they wanted for it even with public support of pre-buying the product.
woven scarab
They did redo the game engine, but management issues?
shrewd flume
This statement is not based around the particular game but what can be observed in the industry.
woven scarab
I remember people claiming management issues and "they ran out of money" as well as "the lead guy got fired" on another game and yet none of them turned out to be true.
@shrewd flume I mean, this is why they usually never announce that they're working on a game earlier than 2 years before release
Because anything more than 2 years brings up things like "it's taking too long!" and "the game is in development hell and failing!"
Doomsday thinking usually starts when a game takes longer than 2 years
@sleek wolf https://i.redd.it/dub3cgc5v1r41.jpg
sleek wolf
just saying 8 years and they only have it half complete
come on guys this isnt bethesda
shrewd flume
If they are spending 8 years to make a game and there is no major internal fuckup i doubt they can't go 1 more year to finish it
sleek wolf
"a lot of the features bannerlord's supposed to have are either currently only half implemented or not implemented at all."
what did they do in those 8 years
shrewd flume
I'd guess make changes to the engine develop backend rework the engine atleast once and then figure out where they wanna go and see if that would even work they way they imagine it with various testing.
sleek wolf
if bethesda had 8 years to make a game it would just be very buggy
and probably turn into fallout 76
shrewd flume
Bethesda should probably stop skipping the "Rework engine" or "Remake engine" step
sleek wolf
bethesda said they would do it
yet the next 2 games are on the same engine as fallout3-76
and oblivion-skyrim
i think eso used the same engine as well
shrewd flume
Probably relying on re-useable assets and the knowledge the staff has on the engine to save on training costs/time
sleek wolf
mainly cost
thing with bethesda is
they wait to make a new game
give it 5 years before they announce a new game and work on it for 2-3 years
now i hear that bannerlord has been in the works for 8 years
and is only half complete
kinda wack not gonna lie
plain mountain
I imagine bannerlord is mostly complete but just very rough around the edges, and instead of going for an internal/closed beta, they just hopped into early access for a revenue boost and far more cohesive playtesting (thousands of players playing the same game will catch far more bugs than a few dozen or a hundred)
plain mountain
bethesda softworks also has double or even triple the amount of employees taleworlds has
paper timber
do keep in mind that Taleworlds is no AAA publisher
yet Bannerlord has almost reached the popularity of a AAA game already
sleek wolf
@plain mountain Bethesda has quadruple* 400-102
sleek wolf
you didnt say a lot im calling the caps
damn
cd project red has 887 employees
ubisoft has 15 thousand
sony has 114,400
mojang has 70
abstract wave
Hello all
drifting heath
short berry
Bamnerlord has the benefit of how bloody popular its previous game was
Thats why its nearly has an AAA following
woven scarab
I mean
About 2 years in they decided it wasn't going to work and they went and went and built a new engine
"But why not just license Unreal or Unity or something?"
Well, as someone else told me, doing so could very well hurt the modding community whereas with their own engine they hold all the cards.
I imagine bannerlord is mostly complete but just very rough around the edges,
Pretty much all of the base features are in, hence people calling it Warband 1.5
It's the features unique to Bannerlord that aren't in yet
native sable
Whoah man
drifting heath
ebon walrus
ah yes
big brain arguments with 0 evidence
trump created space force to combat this weaponized technology
I knew It we live on reach
the space force is fighting a global pandemic
sleek wolf
keen parcel
sleek wolf
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ebon walrus
I did not derive joy from this
karmic ether
Anyone know if GROM or 1ARC recruiting?
ebon walrus
Grom
chrome flower
F for 1ARC
lethal plank
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native sable
lime junco
vale fjord
i feel like latest war are so one-sided (and the current one) that i feel they could end in just one day sometimes. maybe 24 hour battles in smaller maps isnt a bad idea?
edgy falcon
Nah, the devs want protracted battles and they refuse to listen to any alternative.
charred vigil
24h battles were essentially skirmishes
and they got removed in favor of an incomplete feature
that got removed
karmic ether
Is there /any/ situation where a Trench is good? I’ll fortify a small small trench correctly and within minutes we get pushed hella back. It’s hardly worth the effort
north aspen
Trenches are unhelpful
desert helm
If it's in front of hard to pass terrain with AI
north aspen
Foxholes and pillboxes > trenches
desert helm
The prime example from memory is Saltcaps
karmic ether
Like I don’t see the point of even having Trenches at this point
desert helm
There's a huge stretch of water you're forced to walk through
Put AI and a Trench behind it and it's just a turkey shoot
north aspen
Only use trenches as a last resort
karmic ether
I LOVE trench warfare but currently its just bleh
desert helm
It's because elevation is a fuck
north aspen
That's because Foxhole isnt made for defense
desert helm
Sometimes you didn't know your trench is angled to uphill rendering your shooting range invalid
north aspen
And also elevation
desert helm
Trenches are also good traps
karmic ether
Today there was -one- foxhole that was well placed on a hill
ebon walrus
wrong chat
desert helm
You can put them on the downhill when your tam controls Uphill
ebon walrus
nerds
desert helm
To slow down attackers
ebon walrus
desert helm
Pople discussing Foxhole in General? WHat an odd turn of events
north aspen
Basically, the best way to win the game, is to give the enemy Ocdts shovels
north aspen
Really?
desert helm
Yes
north aspen
I'm not surprised
karmic ether
I spent a lot of time making nice trench defences at elevated points and not extended
Then some guys build a trench facing the ridge
we’re ontop.
So Colonials just flank and jump inside and kill us
desert helm
Alwaysput Trenches near AI
karmic ether
I build T2 only when its in a very good spot
karmic ether
yea
desert helm
Always save them for Foxholes
plain mountain
trenches are kinda sucky for 2 main reasons:
aiming is sucky, can't aim into opposing trenches
defending is boring and most people don't/won't do it
for these two reasons, most people advocate against trenches. personally, I love fighting in them, but I can see why people don't like them, and how they're unhelpful. they stall friendly pushes quite often with friendly trench diggers either making the terrain unfavorable or even allow enemies to take hold in your own positions. the only way I can see using trenches seriously is as connections for bunkers supplied with bunker fobs/ai, that's basically their use right now.
north aspen
No one defends
karmic ether
The concrete trenches I see are usually just big blobs of crap
karmic ether
Howitzer turrets and all but 0 of it goes to real use
plain mountain
you kinda have to differentiate between trenches and bunkers
trenches, not good, bunkers, very good if used right
they're tanky backline defenses
karmic ether
Yeah these Collies at Whine are holding us back with a LMG and tier 1 bunker
Thats it.
plain mountain
yep
north aspen
What abou bunker bases?
karmic ether
LMG is so great i love
north aspen
Because Bunker bades exist as well
plain mountain
LMG is okay in trenches/bunkers, outside of them they're less useful in my experience
north aspen
10 lmgs can make great progress early game when no one is defending the area.
plain mountain
so can any weapon in that scenario tbqh
if nobody is defending it's free real estate
karmic ether
Storm Rifle> LMG?
north aspen
Storm rifle has the other configuration though
karmic ether
LMG does more dmg too im p sure
desert helm
I love the Storm rifle semi
plain mountain
I'd use LMG over SR inside a defensive structure like a foxhole/gunnest but that's just me
plain mountain
fire in bursts dumdum
north aspen
Storm rifles I feel like are for special ops infantry
karmic ether
I rarely hit with storms on semi
desert helm
Too heavy, rather slow to turn compared to Tier 1 Weapons
plain mountain
stormrifle in cover loses very little stability when going full auto tho
karmic ether
idk why
desert helm
Also SR ammo is wasteful killing Towers
north aspen
It definitely doesnt fit regular infantry, and they're slightly better
desert helm
It's better at the hands of Regular infantry tbh
desert helm
They're in more predicaments where they're useful
north aspen
I mean, they're expensive
desert helm
Speed is life for Spec ops and Partisans
plain mountain
expensive yes, but if you can supply a front with them hoo boy that line is going places
north aspen
Or more expensive
desert helm
An SR and 2 Clips is already 30%
You can get nearly half that with a Carbine and 3 ammo
shrewd flume
Wow someone is using General discussion
north aspen
Smg?
desert helm
SMG is an RNG gun
plain mountain
if you get even a handful of people experienced with storm rifles in a frontline scenario it's a good time
north aspen
It's good for general purpose
karmic ether
So is the rifle in my experience
desert helm
I rmember in Linn three of us got wiped by a single clip of SMG
The next time I met him he sprayed all of his clip and I closed in and bayonet him
That thing either hits 1 out of 25, or it goes in a killing spree
I prefer the Rifle or even Carbine for reliability.
north aspen
I like the carbine because it feels like it could be used for many different scenarios
desert helm
Carbine is very light
north aspen
It's a faster firing rifle
desert helm
Carbine + 4 ammo is the weight of a Rifle and 2 Ammo
karmic ether
Carbine is great
plain mountain
@shrewd flume it is W12 now, eh I'm still waiting to return in full when they implement some larger stuff, right now it's all still mostly the same as last world
karmic ether
Or really bad
desert helm
I dont like the SMG as much. Too unreliable
Good as a weapon if you value weight though
plain mountain
progression doesn't feel too rewarding in H&H anymore, it's just a stat grind
north aspen
SR maximises the all scenario thing, which is why I thought it was good for spec ops
desert helm
That assumes all you do is shoot
north aspen
Yeah
desert helm
Spec ops needs to move
If you're Spec ops and you don't move you're not Spec ops at all
shrewd flume
Hm im jut really looking for something to bore myself with so im gonna take the chance of a new world
plain mountain
game's fun still, just not exactly what I'm looking for. plus there's still murder hobos about so don't feel particularly inclined to do anything where my progress can get reset in an hour
desert helm
The make and break especially is one thing.
north aspen
I mean, if you've got a vehicle, then a sr might work
desert helm
Logistics footprint.
Why would I spend the Rmats on SRs
When I could make Tubes, RPGs or H/L MGs
That and Speed is why I hesitate to make it
You'll really feel the pain when you have no Anti tank weapons but all you have are SRs
north aspen
Speed isnt an issue with a vehicle, but yeah
plain mountain
yeah honestly lategame foxhole is all about the heavier hitting stuff, SRs are relevant for a bit but then explosives and stuff you can tear down buildings with becomes more important
desert helm
Like in Latch yesterday
north aspen
Latch we needed things and we had nothing
desert helm
It had alot of supplies yesterday
Then it got capped, back capped, capped and back capped again
north aspen
Yesterday was a long time ago
desert helm
It does feel that way
However an SR in the hands of someone who knows how to use it is better, but you can say that about any weapon
north aspen
Especially in Foxhole, you know 500 ss isnt going to last an hour
I might try getting sr delivered.
Just to see how well the front does
karmic ether
What really grinds my gears is getting killed 20 times by flanking Collies then everyone ignores that and charges forward
north aspen
Then you shouldn't play this game
karmic ether
good answer?
north aspen
Unles you're in a clan offensive, that's the only thing that's going to happen
What rank are you?
plain mountain
your average grunt doesn't really do anything but charge forward and never exploits any flanks
gather a few around w/ chat and get them to follow you, do some flanks or even get around and sabotage their logi line, tons more damage dealt to the enemy then
karmic ether
SGT
Yeah I try to. Of course most of the time they ignore it until they themselves get shot
north aspen
80% of people won't follow
shrewd flume
You can always get people to flank by asking them. Might not wanna use the word flank but make it sound like....better "Attacking"
"The different front attack"
plain mountain
"attack from the side"
north aspen
Its attacking, but smart
shrewd flume
"No you guys are flanking! I am attacking"
plain mountain
hmm
just talk coherently, lay out a plan, act confident
9 times outta 10 you'll get at least one or two people to follow you
plain mountain
I personally wouldn't follow someone playing music unless I personally knew them but ehh, best thing to do is not muddy the local voip too much, gets annoying
plain mountain
I'm smart when I feel like being smart
sometimes just fighting head on is fun to me
depends on how I'm feeling
usually getting a following goes something like:
talk with clarity, lay out a plan with a clear objective
get a few people with you, go out, do it, probably get killed, respawn
now people notice there's a few people with a clear objective, picking at the enemy's weak points, so either you yourself or someone else in your makeshift team starts recruiting people up, and now you've got a good little platoon going
organization skills definitely come into play in foxhole
north aspen
I do not have a clear confident voice, so I tried to get a breakout through spitrocks. Then everyone died the first time and didnt try again.
plain mountain
lol
yeah it's weird, voices definitely change how well recieved your plans are
foxhole has kinda helped me get over my voice comms shyness and expanded on vocal communication skills
north aspen
I feel like I'm more of a second command person if I ever get into a command place at all. I'm ok at coming up with plans, but I cant get people to really follow
north aspen
Part of it might be the low ranks of us both as well
ebon walrus
yeah thats probably a solid half of the issue
north aspen
Yeah
ebon walrus
but ive seen sergeants leading 8 people around
a lot of it depends on attitude
its unexplainable really
just some innate primal logic that says follow this guy
north aspen
Well, I've seen a ssgt lead 10 or so people on a big flank
With rps and everything
I was second in command kind of
I think half is voice and half is rank
plain mountain
loud != confident
if you're a screamy person who has no idea what you're doing, you'll still have no idea what you're doing
they may come in tandem but one does not mean the other
karmic ether
Deep voice + slightly higher mic volume = success
north aspen
All caps probably doesnt help people realize the slight importance of that house. However, I really want that house.
karmic ether
So one last thing about Trenches. What would you think could make them not suck?
drifting heath
better aiming?
plain mountain
make them immune to being run over, better barbed wire modifications (make it available for connector pieces!), variable lengths, ability to shoot into them from opposing trenches, etc etc etc
drifting heath
less trenches?
plain mountain
frankly - they mostly suck because we just can't hold them very well at all without AI backing it up
without AI, it's too in-flux, and can be used by anyone
unlike actual trenches from ww1 and beyond, we can't staff them with men 24/7, they're going to get abandoned or get very little population in them and then as soon as someone with an SMG or bayonet gets in it's all over
so, theoretically, in concept, they are exceptional, basically free cover and the ability to cater the battlefield to your needs
but with the way foxhole works at large, they're kinda useless
north aspen
I am not going to sit in a trench in a video game for years of my life.
plain mountain
and that's just the issue
people don't sit still in static positions, they want to fight
and if you don't get to fight, then it's boring, and the game fails at its objective
north aspen
The constant attack ruins my vision for the game, but no one wants my vision for the game
Not even me
karmic ether
If they were immune to being run over that would make them not as useless for sure idk why thats even a feature
-i mean i understand why it is
but its not rly good
plain mountain
well primarily it's to prevent people from just going to the backlines and digging trenches all over the roads
but yeah for general play it suffers because of that
because either the enemy will suicide trucks into your lines to clap trenches en masse
or a know-it-all ocdt will panic at the sight of an earthen ditch and immediately reeee himself into it with a truck/flatbed
neither are good honestly
plain mountain
ehh
karmic ether
its more of a bandaid
plain mountain
I'd rather it be that tracked vehicles can roll over them easily, but not destroy
plain mountain
hm
I think instead of having super specific stuff, we can make do with just building a bunker w/ firing ports as needed for something like that
karmic ether
what I was thinking instead of building a bunker
Issue still remains tho with them just being easy roll over with infantry/vehicles
Do we not have AI trenches? Non concrete ones
plain mountain
we do not
plain mountain
which.. ehhhhh, I'm a little reluctant to fall back onto "let's just add more AI!"
karmic ether
bro
plain mountain
it's always been a crutch for the game, a necessary one, but one anyways
karmic ether
no more Ai
AI isnt as big as an issue as it was in the beginning of the game (when i mostly played)
God that was grindy
I’m sure early war Trenches will always be better than in late
charred vigil
people complaining about AI need to stop being lazy fucks
plain mountain
thank you for your input
charred vigil
yw
because of frontliners, gun nests have gotten gutted
and now you can't keep partisans out of anywhere
karmic ether
AI doesnt see like much of an issue anymore, at least in my experience
karmic ether
i just started playing again 2 days ago idk what that is. but stop talkin to me like im a child
I’d appreciate it bro
charred vigil
you started acting like one
so you will be treated as such.
karmic ether
You’re a pleasant guy
charred vigil
For you
charred vigil
coming in january 2021
karmic ether
ooh my profile is looking sharp
plain mountain
karmic ether
Wait it´s better now
plain mountain
lol
karmic ether
should I stick with this one or the other one
plain mountain
dunnoh, I'm not an anime pfp judge
