One's from wwii
#general-discussion
karmic ether
my great grandfather was a company commander I believe
so they figured that no one would use shotguns postwar and just let him keep it
plain mountain
lol
maiden fern
Dont want to be a downer but seeing how good its condition is for such an old gun it probably just sat in a warehouse for ages until the government owning it decided to clean out its old army stockpiles
@plain mountain why does that box say those are piercing cartridges?
maiden fern
Then it probably got forgotten in a warehouse till some bloke found it lol
Still pretty good looking gun
karmic ether
it was probably a 1915 so theywere throwing everything that had at the entente
maiden fern
Though that rust on the barrel is a bit annoying
maiden fern
Oh and you prob already know this but remember to make sure it’s oiled
karmic ether
I'm planning on doing that tomorrow
maiden fern
Thing probably didnt get any new oil in half a century
karmic ether
Going to take the bolt out and make sure it's nice and oiled up
clean everything up
It's a little stiff but thats what you get when you buy a century old gun
maiden fern
Just out of curiosity, how far does the sight go to
karmic ether
I think it's like 2,000 yards?
they were definitely on something when they put them on
maiden fern
Lol yeah i love those old positive thinking gun makers
karmic ether
Granted it's a cut down long rifle so they probably just didn't replace the sight
"hey, let's make our sniper scope go out to 1000 yards for this rifle that goes to 2000 on the irons"
maiden fern
“Hey franz, what if the enemy attacks from the moon?”
plain mountain
tfw can't tell how far my rifle can go because the elevation is all in arabic
plain mountain
the vz24 I was talking about, but they were shipped out as surplus after they developed a more compact variant, ended up being shipped en masse to the middle east so they installed arabic numeral elevation sights
karmic ether
lol I'm stupid
plain mountain
karmic ether
there were some swedish mausers at the gun show too
I didn't dare read the tags because i didn't want to make the furniture start floating
vestal girder
Owo
near jewel
I need to be 21 to buy gun I want.
I am looking fo civilian variant of Beryl 762. Too bad FB cannot into civilian marketing.
blazing schooner
vestal girder
Kill me
vestal girder
:c
scenic thunder
about the 2k yards thing
maybe its because they were thinking of volley fire at the time?
like shooting 1000 rounds at 2k at least a few are bound to hit
terse flower
abstract furnace
dense basin
hey guys got this message failed to download profile
what should I do to get in game ?
heello
dense saffron
@dense basin #technical-chat
near jewel
raw birch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTrzUuWlHI
Replace Vectron with Callahan and you get Wardens in a nutshell
near jewel
"Are we the baddies?"
raw birch
By Callahan balls!
dusty orbit
There should be a discord suggestion channel ngl
cerulean spindle
Eh...
amber orchid
How do you check what war it is?
lapis harbor
What
fallow flame
I should really remove my moderator role... =_=
lapis harbor
Yes
slate latch
in my computer don´t work but in my cellphone is worked
fallow flame
@slate latch Pois é. Discord no telefone tem alguns problemas mesmo
slate latch
@fallow flame acabei de descobrir que era uma opção que estava desabilitada 😅
exotic field
@near jewel buy a clone
near jewel
I don't get it.
ebon walrus
Wtf
near jewel
I am the second clone.
@karmic ether Is original.
And @karmic ether is the first clone.
@exotic field
Original forgot his password and first clone demanded to be shut down.
vivid osprey
amber pilot
near jewel
@exotic field
It makes no sense for me since I live in Poland. Beryl will be cheapest here. 4600 pln. I forgot to add that.
Getting original Beryls is pain in the ass because manufacturer mainly makes weapons for the army.
They don't even show prices on their website.
But thanks for the info.
Might need it later.
exotic field
Ah
Atlantic firearms is an American company sorry
US gun companies love to clone weapons you can't get from the manufacturer
vital pike
Is the game worth getting back into?
near jewel
drowsy cipher
wise pier
sinful bridgeBOT
Blast\_Cat#2645
knotty lotus
gray stump
winged tundra
Initial C: Resistance Stage
plain mountain
@karmic ether I was wrong about the gewehr I have, it's not a vz.24, that came after, mine is a vz.98/22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vz._98/22
karmic ether
epic
terse flower
peak pumice
@terse flower i dont understand
sleek wolf
United States own the skies in every battle
we rely on bombing the shit out of everyone and sending in the Marines
good strategy
really is
karmic ether
The last time the US sent only one bomber to an enemy country, it was the Enola Gay carrying the most destructive bomb in human history up to that point
glossy zodiac
whats the CV tech unlock about?
terse flower
The joke is it's a nuke
winged tundra
Two nukes in one?
karmic ether
terse flower
hexed stag
Why?
You fear the squid sphere?
shakes the squid sphere to ilicit your fear
Sphere of Multiple Bees:
Uncommon
a spherical beehive with an inside that can't be seen using light, magical or mundane.
Attempting to open the hive, or look into it using light results in the hive breaking, a swarm of hostile wasps being released, and the magical item no longer working.
By shaking the beehive as a bonus action, a swarm of wasps is summoned.
1d4 charges per long rest.
The wasps obey the commands of the holder of the Sphere of Multiple Bees, and persist for 1d8 actions before the swarm dissipates.
hexed stag
Cuttlefish like you
hexed stag
They're probably behind you ATM, with their camoflage.
Also, they're just fancy squids.
cold dune
@verbal oyster
abstract furnace
hexed stag
Ok Nazi nobody cares about german propaganda.
proven bridge
@umbral raft it is day 6 and they still do not know yet
karmic ether
Yall all talkin about ww3 im more about that wexit, and of course
https://youtu.be/2S-C5FQYxrk
topaz hedge
@abstract furnace Is it me or does that look oddly satisfying given it's an old 1940s video?
No like the way the front pieces move looks satisfying
abstract furnace
and briefing that
@topaz hedge you're Right this is an operational map video
in 1940
@hexed stag Who talk to?
karmic ether
Okay i need a hand so i dont hurt someone
"I have been able to somewhat give myself some energy for a while but I thought it was from like energy reserves the body keeps or something, and so I tried it and this time I managed to hit a sweet spot and started bursting with energy, to the point where I was fully awake, really aware, and felt like I could run all the way home with ease)" <- this is describing a fucking adrenaline rush right? Not some fuckin ooo chakra qi chi thing
abstract furnace
@hexed stag hey
cold dune
whichever collie is searching our stash in great march
You suck 😦 haha, watching you on radio you bastid
cold dune
It was in a bush dayz style what more do you want from me? 😛
oh you mean the CV and sstuff in the corner the other day? Yeah we had to evacuate the fob in a hurry then just scarpered till the heat died down
dident get back in time to move it all.
plain mountain
lol
all good either way, was quite a little find on a whim of "hey what's in the corner"
"oh, all of that, okay"
vestal girder
Owo
twilit oak
lean turret
Birdman bad 😡
terse flower
The birds are innocent
They just don't know how bad it is
How would you feel if an emu came in and beat the fuck out of you just for eating
shadow glen
That would be terrifying but slightly interesting
It would be like "man this emu is kicking the crap out of me but why is it here and what does it want"
terse flower
shadow glen
Oh god
near jewel
pallid fjord
karmic ether
The Iranian guy looks like mr bean
karmic ether
Wack
terse flower
Pretty much a titan now
karmic ether
How tall compared to a Warhound?
terse flower
I would say 5 meters off
karmic ether
Yea that's basically a titan
dim lion
If I have all the raw mats, I can build the tanks right?
terse flower
here's the new boi to the knight family
When he was first shown everyone thought it was just a titan
near jewel
This one actually looks like it could walk.
Wait. I think I have Deja Vu.
karmic ether
Never likde that they made them look like they have an hunchback.
I guess protecting the head is ideal but they just feel immobile.
I guess that's the point.
liked*
Same with Terminators and Dreadnoughts, though those atleast have that variation.
I think the Castigator had a more normal anatomy.
near jewel
Why make a head you have to protect when you can just not?
Wait. It's the Imperium and they just HAVE to make things like this.
chrome flower
Devstream be like:
scenic thunder
If theyre not stubby enough to look like a dwarf whats the point <- imperium design school
pulsar osprey
We're waiting for the devblog
Also that is a very accurate representation of devstreams
vestal girder
Owo
clear elbow
terse flower
@karmic ether
That's how mechs would most likely look itl
Irl*
That's where all the ammo, the reactors, the pilot, the sensors and literally everything are stored
It's gotta be bulky circular wise like that to keep it balanced when walking
terse flower
winged tundra
Jade Cove irl
woven scarab
edgy siren
woven scarab
Going to bed now. Wondering what I'll wake up to.
raw birch
Fun times indeed.
winged tundra
sleek wolf
@woven scarab
kindred cloud
Why did Iran launch missiles at jade cove!?
swift compass
@kindred cloud seems like Ceberus became Iranian politican
native sable
karmic ether
tlme to do fox hole irl https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/us-iran-soleimani-tensions-intl-01-07-20/index.html
native sable
Iran is entirety justified to escalate the situation. It is most unfortunate. Most of this could be avoided from our actions.
terse flower
They won't
China already said they aren't getting involved anyway I believe
At least militaril5
Militarily*
native sable
China’s smart enough not to start a war in the graveyard of empires
karmic ether
oil not so bad 😋
winged tundra
It's been nice knowing ya lads.
kind birch
Friendly reminder regarding military current events: I'm frankly okay with talking about the current events in a non-political way. Just please keep in mind that it is a fine line, and if it gets too political, Discord Mods will steer or shut down the conversation.
winged tundra
roger roger
sleek wolf
We are safe for now
edgy siren
sleek wolf
Go away loxen 😠
edgy siren
native sable
All the cool military people I oogled at in middle school are on tv right now.
Mainly Kirby. Big fan of Kirby.
winged tundra
There's enough space for y'all in Tito's bunker. Any sign ups?
blazing apex
remember with the current military actions: both sides are aware of social media and its ability to brainwash influence you.
be VERY skeptical of any information you hear, and even reserve some for normally trusted news sources
karmic ether
bunker sounds like a good idea till we get passed A bombs
olive thicket
Christ
native sable
I will never forgive Anderson Cooper for saying “It’s Iran-ic”
silver urchin
olive thicket
- Iran has no attack helicopters
- Their best plane is the F-14A
- They make their own radar
- They have almost 0 military transport aircraft and the ones they do have are prop aircraft
- They use Boeing 707s which are 50 years old and civilian aircraft
- They use MiG-6s, fucking MiG-6s
@silver urchin the linked article doesn’t say anything about retaliatory strikes
Did you actually read the article
silver urchin
you mean the tweet?
olive thicket
No the article linked in the tweet
eager girder
But Vietnam has proven that numbers don't always mean a victory even technology
silver urchin
true but vietnam was in jungles
olive thicket
There are no other reports of retaliation
silver urchin
no trees for iranians to hide in
olive thicket
@silver urchin no malaria either
eager girder
your fighting on someones home territory so it can still go same way
eager girder
If Iran gets hit by USA Iran will hit Dubai lol
sleek wolf
@silver urchin that news is horrible
silver urchin
the wc post is being written as we speak
olive thicket
@sleek wolf it’s incorrect
silver urchin
sleek wolf
Thats what im saying
olive thicket
Google “US retaliation”. Nothing comes up
eager girder
UAE holds most american oil no?
olive thicket
UAE?
sleek wolf
America has like 10 billion oil in reserves
eager girder
United Arab Emirates?
olive thicket
We don’t need Iran’s oil
solid lintel
We woo we woo is this politics
kind birch
We actually get most of our oil from Texas
olive thicket
No this is me insulting someone for posting an uncorroborated rumor @solid lintel
Even the article doesn’t say it
kind birch
68% of US oil comes from five states
plain mountain
the fact of the matter is, essentially every country is scared shitless of a direct war with the U.S., it's not a contested fact that we have superior tactics, technology, and in general it can do what it wants with little to no resistance. this means, when a country picks a fight with the U.S., the best thing they can do is not to win, but to ensure that the U.S. doesn't win. maximize casualties, never fight toe-to-toe, play dirty, and eventually it will grow tired of the war and call off the invasion. nobody wins, but nobody lost either, it was just a series of battles that attritioned the U.S. badly enough to make it not care enough to carry on the fighting.
olive thicket
A-10 Warthog noises
kind birch
The thing is, the US will curb stomp right off the beginning. This creates this weird attachment to whatever country/region we stomp though. Like, it becomes a piece of gum we can't shake off for decades to come, mostly because it's easier to keep walking on it instead of bending down to actually remove it
solid lintel
The US military isn’t infallible, I hope you guys realize this.
kind birch
No, just overwhelming.
olive thicket
We have a massive advantage
left dust
So, the US are the Colonials and the Iranians are the Wardens?
solid lintel
More like Underwhelming
olive thicket
Literally Google “Iranian Air Force” and click the Wikipedia page
sleek wolf
You dont realize
kind birch
Let's do try to stay away from making meme war analogies to the game.
left dust
ok
plain mountain
no army is infallible, but we definitely have the advantage when it comes to air superiority and a military industrial complex that knocks every other country out of the water
eager girder
Iran does have a decent AA arsenal
olive thicket
How much do you wanna bet it’s poorly maintained
sleek wolf
We beat some middle eastern country in like 5 minutes due to just bombing them
olive thicket
A-10 Warthog noises get louder
solid lintel
They have SA10, SA11, and SA15 sites all across their borders with the Gulf
sleek wolf
How maintained is it
solid lintel
Decently well
winged tundra
"No army is inflatable"
I'm sorry what and just like that, I'm high on Smarty's
olive thicket
That’s not true before D-Day the British literally made an inflatable army
plain mountain
lol
olive thicket
At Calais
solid lintel
And an A10 will be ineffective against SAM sites
eager girder
an inflatable army that worked lol
kind birch
Iran is one of the more powerful countries in the region. BUT, in direct conflict of a declared war, they would be squished. The issue is, modern conflicts aren't played out like grandiose wars, especially if the US is involved. It's a super long game of what amounts to "police action" for decades.
sleek wolf
@olive thicket that was a chad move
olive thicket
7
sleek wolf
Iran is like the 5th largest military
solid lintel
Do not get me wrong, I know the Americans will win against Iran if we decide to directly invade, but I doubt we will.
native sable
Doesn’t matter how strong the army is, this is tactical. If we measure in relation to the ability to wage total war we forget that war isn’t always total.
solid lintel
I doubt we will invade that is
native sable
I hope neither are needed
solid lintel
Guerrilla ?
kind birch
The US wouldn't all out invade right away. It would be a matter of bombing the fuck out of them for weeks/months before any true ground actions would happen.
olive thicket
Naval bombardment
native sable
Both sides now have an opportunity to step back. I feel President Trumps decision to refrain from a national address was in respect to this.
plain mountain
aerial bombardment more like
solid lintel
SA15s
eager girder
US navy would have to enter the Gulf and that is a risk they dont want to take
olive thicket
They did enter the Gulf
We already have a carrier group tasked there unless I’m mistaken
karmic ether
iran probably has sleeper cells in the united states
sleek wolf
Our navy would crush them
plain mountain
we had a whole war or two entirely about the gulf
native sable
I Believe we sorta withdrew them this week following the strike @karmic ether
karmic ether
@karmic ether And here in the UK
solid lintel
The US Navy in the gulf is an extreme tactical risk, they will not pass the Straight of Hormuz unless they want to be zerged by Iranian patrol boats with ASMs on board
kind birch
There are 3 main concerns the US has to have (not counting any influence from Russia or China or other superpowers):
• Iran has some rather effective ballistic missiles at their disposal, and a lot of them. This poses a threat to airbases within the region.
• These missile threats also can cause harm to naval assets such as the closest carrier fleets (which would be not only on alert, but also fully activated and carrying out missions). A coordinated strike on one single carrier would do some incredible harm, and would lead to an extremely bloody war
• With Iran raining hell on US bases, countries will then start to reconsider if they want US to have a presence in their countries. This would have a more long-term effect
solid lintel
^
kind birch
Full armed conflict would ultimately result in the US wrecking Iran (provided no wildcard superpowers want to throw their dick in the mix). But it has the potential to be a bloody war, both in terms of lives, but also in terms of geopolitical influence.
native sable
An then we are back at square one: Yet another duty to maintain a new state in the Middle East....
We might as well just make it the 51st state
karmic ether
us wargames estimate they would lose 20k in 3 days fighting iran
kind birch
There would be no maintaining Iran though. That whole region would be too destabilized as a result of direct armed conflict. It would be an utter shitshow
karmic ether
how would it not be maintained
native sable
Yeah, that’s how it’s tended to go whenever we got involved...
ebon walrus
6 B52s vs 1 nation
solid lintel
I would also like to add that Iran has an exceptional SAM missile arsenal as well and one of the better Cyber-warfare units in the world, traditional Air superiority tactics seen in the other middle eastern wars would not be replicated here and conventional smart weapons would be spoofed
ebon walrus
just saying
native sable
We can’t just jazz hands and say “alright we are done”
sleek wolf
@ebon walrus B52s anyday
native sable
Gg no re
karmic ether
We'll just have to see how it all turns out 'If we go to war'
crossing into iran is like fighting over jade everywhere
solid lintel
An S-400 site vs a B52 who would win? My moneys on the S-400.
karmic ether
^
ebon walrus
Does Iran have S400s
karmic ether
yes
solid lintel
Pretty sure they do yes
eager girder
Asia territories took a hit too
karmic ether
mostly s-300s but they have some s-400s
ebon walrus
S-400s are damn good ngl
sleek wolf
@kind birch the united states has a good anti missile system
solid lintel
So are Most S-300s
ebon walrus
Wonder how a B2 would fair against them
wind pollen
Iran will be destroyed
eager girder
China relies on oil provided by Iran no?
wind pollen
Soon
karmic ether
yes
hasty thistle
@sleek wolf No they have a good and tested anti-rocket system. Missiles, which is what Iran is using, is an entirely different game
wind pollen
Shit is about to go down
solid lintel
Not well, most of the B52s stand off weapons would be defeated by S400s, 300s or, SA15s
kind birch
And any system can be overwhelmed
sleek wolf
Yes my bad rockets*
karmic ether
Oh god fucking dammit
ebon walrus
B52 has an insane arsenal of jamming equipment
hasty thistle
Right now we're waiting to see what the US does in response. There is a rumour circulating that if the US makes a response to these attacks, that Iran has threatened to attack Dubai
karmic ether
I wake up from the nap and i see this shit
solid lintel
JASSMs JSOWs and Cruise Missiles would be defeated.
kind birch
@hasty thistle Now that would be rough
karmic ether
ah
wind pollen
@hasty thistle i think they already threatened a attack on dubai if he responds
sleek wolf
If they manage to actually take our bases the world will consider fighting us
karmic ether
thats
eager girder
I have not heard good things about Dubai military
kind birch
Iran pulling in a 3rd party, especially a major economy within the region, would do some huge harm
solid lintel
@ebon walrus jamming is only effective to certain ranges, and modern day radar can easily over power jammers a multitude of ways
native sable
Iran’s got enough third party’s as is.
sleek wolf
This is making me mad
solid lintel
One way is Freq hopping
sleek wolf
I want to fight them
kind birch
Dubai is also a hop/skip/jump across the water and would be a super easy target.
solid lintel
There’s also a major airbase in Dubai
eager girder
Isn't UAE surrounded by Iran Proxies?
karmic ether
All i know, is that a war is not in the favor of either side, US has to send resources it could be using in other places, Iran looses in the longrun
ebon walrus
Ngl I dont know much about modern missile systems, how would an S-400 fair against F-35s
kind birch
UAE would probably immediately start throwing money around to create unrest in Iran.
karmic ether
Sure US wins a war, but already for example iraq is requesting removal of US forces or seems to be going that way
wind pollen
The occupation will be rough
karmic ether
Get ready for the draft?
wind pollen
Not really the invasion
solid lintel
@ebon walrus depends on the search radar, the F35 is pretty invisible out to about 10-15 Nautical miles
karmic ether
all i know is that i just woke up and im drinkin my chiccy noodle soup
kind birch
Now now, let's do remember that ultimately, this is war we would be talking about. Nobody comes out ahead in war.
ebon walrus
Except technology
eager girder
someone should build an AI with accurate information on Casualty rates and successes with certain attacks etc
silver urchin
look at the bright side of a third world war boys, we finally get a good fallout game after 76
wind pollen
Were US casualties confirmed?
karmic ether
Another thing that we have to realize is that either side currently tries to de escalate
native sable
Hard Revenge was a level response to us hitting a cultural figure. This is there flag in the sand, the “we retaliated”
karmic ether
They get fucked
eager girder
both sides Bismarck
solid lintel
I would also like to point out that the attack on the Saudi oil field about two months ago was conducted by Houthi Rebels supplied with Iranian cruise missiles. This oil field was defended by a Patriot Missile battery that the Saudis purchased from the US and they were ineffective in stoping the attack.
karmic ether
US casualties are unknown from the two bases
The peace we have right now is bloodstained by previous wars, eventaully a war will start because of that, war brings about peace then that peace brings about war, it's a continuous cycle.
solid lintel
So do not be deceived
sleek wolf
We should retaliate
native sable
@solid lintel Proxy conflict is nothing new for Iran.
ebon walrus
was this general dude really a cultural figure?
native sable
A huge one
ebon walrus
huh
sleek wolf
They fucked with us now we blow them to hell
solid lintel
I mean yes but earlier people were stating the war would be a huge stomp and Iran would fall over easy @native sable
ebon walrus
he wasnt a very nice person from what I hear
solid lintel
So I wanted to point that out
grave portal
Apparently everyone screamed death to America at his funeral in his hometown, the Iranian general
eager girder
his funeral saw 7 million people on the street chanting death to america
ebon walrus
it also saw 40 something people get trampled to death
native sable
He was also a really good tactician. He was the one who united the Shia paramilitary
karmic ether
I'll fight for family and friends, but not for the benefit of the nation.
kind birch
We effectively bombed the shit out of the second most powerful person in a government of an extremely prideful people. It's all cause and effect.
atomic crane
What happend at here
ebon walrus
talking about interesting international relations
eager girder
waiting for the starship troops announcement that they are going to war would you like to know more?
ebon walrus
Is this gonna be the space forces first war?
kind birch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUeBMwn_eYc
Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them — little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
sleek wolf
That general killed Americans im pretty sure so he had it coming
hasty thistle
Lets just forget for a moment who he was or what he allegedly did. History wont care.
What will matter is what happens next. The ball is in the court of the whitehouse
ebon walrus
Evidentally it did because it got him killed
grave portal
Was the embassy staffed by Iranians or Americans?
karmic ether
Pentagon has wanted him dead 8 times, no other presidents okayed it
eager girder
there are plenty more out there that have done worse yet they don't end up in an airstrike
sleek wolf
That guy killed like 500 Americans i heard
hasty thistle
lol
native sable
Lmao
ebon walrus
ok turk
kind birch
@pure ember Get a telescope, hook it up to a webcam, and just livestream it
eager girder
on news nuke launched at Iran lol
ebon walrus
Have fun with ur S-300s lmao
winged tundra
I'm taking it a step further, I'll be watching the conflict in Tito's bunker.
pure ember
Lmao I wish I could
grave portal
How the civil war going?
ebon walrus
we cant use nukes on iran lol
karmic ether
I'll be watching it in the trenches
Ynoo gib, i thougt you were funny n a funny joke
ebon walrus
that would be IlLeGall
karmic ether
Then i realized i dont have the news up
sleek wolf
Ill be in the conflict
karmic ether
So i slightly panicked
sleek wolf
If the conflict last a few months
eager girder
lol
sleek wolf
6 months
gloomy saffron
How long does it take for defenses to go inactive after dropping their fob? AT Guns in particular
karmic ether
Just looked at the news, they have stopped all flights in that region to avoid mis-identification
native sable
Well, Iran played the threat card.
ebon walrus
Im not sure I understand what Iran is doing at this point
native sable
They’ll go after the stability of the Middle East directly
pure ember
I mean, it definitely won't be like Iraq which took like what 40 days?
topaz pulsar
@gloomy saffron 10 minutes but #foxhole-discussion is the place to ask questions about the game
topaz pulsar
Electric boogaloo
native sable
Ballistics Boogaloo
pure ember
Problem with Iran is that they have a lot of mountains and stuff, insurgency will be much MUCH harder to deal with
ebon walrus
yeah but does the US care about insurgency? Breaking the command structure is all we need to do
native sable
We’ve done that 3 times. With consequence.
sleek wolf
Kill the leaders and bomb their army
ebon walrus
If they dont have proper communication, it makes their forces way less efficient
pure ember
It's going to be worse, the whole country will turn into a jihadist recruitment center
ebon walrus
yeah
karmic ether
@sleek wolf Man..... will you stop 😆
sleek wolf
Stop what
karmic ether
everything
sleek wolf
No
karmic ether
Oh.... ok
sleek wolf
They fucked with the wrong country
kind birch
Yeah let's do stay away with words of direct action like that
karmic ether
sleek wolf
Ok and?
kind birch
ebon walrus
Its a standard strategy in war, but I understand what Sir is saying
kind birch
Perhaps you should take a look at a different chat for a bit
karmic ether
Get back to the frontline America lol
kind birch
And this is not a free speech zone mate.
ebon walrus
You arent free when you owe ur life to the US millitary 😛
sleek wolf
My constitution rights
karmic ether
Oh here we go lol
grave portal
Sir has officially stated he’s revoking our freedom of speech. Boogaloo sir
ebon walrus
lol
grave portal
Sounds like every other time they attacked a foreign country. Empty promises of peace
native sable
What they are saying is: “We made our point, let’s not fuck this up any more”
ebon walrus
I doubt there will be
native sable
Neither side would benefit from another tussle in the graveyard of civilizations
ebon walrus
the US did what it wanted to
pure ember
No one makes the point as long as there are casualties on both side
topaz pulsar
I vainly hope the White House won't take this any further, the world has been through enough recently
pure ember
They will just keep going
grave portal
That’s Afghanistan. The graveyard of empires. We’re still dealing with insurgents
karmic ether
If we can't get Afghanistan, how do we expect to get Iran
grave portal
Different situation
native sable
TLDR: That description apples to all former Persian holdings
karmic ether
btw, nothing agianst the Iranian people, but the government
pure ember
Not really
ebon walrus
But it really depends on the casualty count from the missile strikes on the iraqi airbases
grave portal
If we can install a friendly regime like Iraq it’ll be fine. Are we dealing with Iraqi insurgents? Not as much as Afghanistan
ebon walrus
hopefully the patriots did their job
pure ember
There will be insurgents and a lot of them
grave portal
They need a familiar face that fits their culture to follow.
pure ember
There are more places they can hide, more allies they can get weapons from and a bigger area they can operate in
It's not a flat ground like Iraq
We've been dealing with Insurgents here in Turkey in mountainous terrain, it's not easy at all
karmic ether
imagine russia and china supporting iran with weapons
grave portal
At some point they have to leave the mountains for supplies. We can’t get to them but they have to come to us
grave portal
Then let’s go back
cerulean creek
War isn't like what we read in the history books
hasty thistle
Yup. Iran has been preparing for this for years. If the Americans retaliate, it wont be an open conflict. Bases will be destroyed. Equipment scattered, but the military is already prepared to go underground. They'll be in open conflict with the US for decades to come... and there won't be a valid military target to speak of
ebon walrus
But yeah the US actually more geared towards insurgency warfare than conventional warfare
currently
grave portal
History is written by the victor. And the victor only writes what they want to you know and blames the loser for what you already know
topaz pulsar
History is written by the victor
debatable
pure ember
Let's hope the losing side isn't everyone else on the planet this time
ebon walrus
grave portal
Don’t take it literally.
And @pure ember a quick google search of military comparison and you’ll learn we won’t lose. The most they’ll get is another Afghanistan with insurgents everywhere the worst is they end up being a new NATO friend
wind pollen
Anyone know if the US is retaliating yet?
solid lintel
I heard that we were
sleek wolf
We should
solid lintel
But hearsay
grave portal
No. Our government is still trying diplomacy
wind pollen
Can't find any news
west granite
Anyone else think will just be Desert Storm 2 Electric Bogaloo if it dose pop off?
sleek wolf
I want to retaliate
solid lintel
You mean desert storm 4
sleek wolf
Soldiers were attacked
native sable
@wind pollen The President recalled his claimed national address after an hour long meeting with top officials. Atm it’s looking as though we are waiting.
grave portal
They’ve been doing this for awhile now. It’s nothing new. If we don’t retaliate they’ll do it again after everything cools down
ebon walrus
I would love more footage of abrams flying across the desert tho
they are so damn pretty
shut dust
has anyone mentioned war sucks for everyone involved?
grave portal
Except the oil company’s
pure ember
Military composition isn't everything though, you need to take allies and nuclear weapons into account.
shut dust
no its sucks for them to way easier to do it peacfully
grave portal
That was a joke
native sable
Yes, but we have some rhetorics that still think wars a video game that you can win “honor points” in.
shut dust
i know
sleek wolf
@ebon walrus battle of 73 easting 158 tanks gone and we lost 4 abrahms due to friendly fire since we didnt want to lose our tanks as in we dont want them captured
cerulean creek
@sleek wolf Look what happened to Japan after they attacked Pearl Harbor.
Iran are fools to launch missiles at US troops.
karmic ether
the iraqis had poorly maintained old soviet tanks at 73 eastings
sleek wolf
Still outnumbered us
sleek wolf
Shermans still beat the tigers
native sable
Iran knew we knew
grave portal
@pure ember . We have good anti missile defense and Iran has no allies. Mabye external support but no direct support like joining in
native sable
This was choreographed
karmic ether
the abrams had air cover and engaged from over the horizon its a little different than a tiger
cerulean creek
So the US knew beforehand that Iran was going to launch missiles at those bases at that time @native sable ?
grave portal
They did say they’ll attack something we love
native sable
Yes, they’ve stated that about 7 times on the news now.
ebon walrus
Iran launches missiles everywhere
karmic ether
iran bombs the super bowl
shut dust
apparently NATO is withdrawing trainers for iraq
sleek wolf
Good
cerulean creek
If the US knew they would have stopped the missiles
native sable
Gotta say, he’s right.
grave portal
They knew it would happen just not a when and where
ebon walrus
Yeah wtf
cerulean creek
Self Defense would be attacking US troops if they were invading Iran
native sable
Yeah, an they are justified in doing so. That’s how diplomacy works!
grave portal
You could say it was self defense as the troops they hit were their to protect against Iran but I’m saying they retaliated
native sable
This is more symbolic than anything
cerulean creek
That's the opposite of diplomacy
grave portal
It’s modern day diplomacy
native sable
So what, they ask us to apologize for killing a top official.
sleek wolf
Yes
native sable
If it where they other way around, they killed Trump, would we be in the wrong to retaliate?
sleek wolf
Thats what they asked us to do
grave portal
Official American response:”sorry LMAO”
sleek wolf
They asked us to say sorry
shut dust
@kind birch are related news article links allowed?
sleek wolf
By launching missiles
terse flower
"fuck man sorry I clicked my mouse at the wrong time"
grave portal
It was written on the missiles they just can’t read English
kind birch
@shut dust sure
cerulean creek
@native sable Do you know what that Top Official was planning to do? You know there was a serious reason to kill him right. We didn't just wake up one morning and say" Well I feel like killing Irans highest General today".
shut dust
terse flower
bro
native sable
@cerulean creek Does it matter? Do we kill Putin for his actions?
shut dust
scary thought that people are being fast deployed to nearby countries
karmic ether
Yet Iran has put 80 million on trumps head
terse flower
Ay bro we goin sand running bro
ebon walrus
82nd all the way
sleek wolf
@cerulean creek didnt he kill like 500 Americans?
cerulean creek
@native sable It's called national security
pure ember
ebon walrus
Iran actively funds terrorist organizations
kind birch
So does the US
grave portal
80 million IRR which is 1k USD
kind birch
native sable
And it has a consequence, I’m not disagreeing with you.
ebon walrus
Not actively
topaz pulsar
more actively than you think
ebon walrus
We do it stealthily 😛
edgy siren
sleek wolf
@kind birch we thought they would help us but decided to attack us lmao
karmic ether
kind birch
The actual catalysts mean nothing. Eye for Eye just leaves everyone blind.
grave portal
Yes we fund organizations in the Middle East. No their not on the list
cerulean creek
@native sable Same reason why the FBI hunts down and tracks terrorist threats on US soil and eliminates them before they can execute the attack.
topaz pulsar
This whole situation is going to turn into a dick measuring contest between the US and Iran I feel
pure ember
^
grave portal
It already is and has been.
sleek wolf
Our dick is already 10 times bigger
ebon walrus
Lmao
edgy siren
karmic ether
@topaz pulsar "It's not the size but how you use it......... OH SHIT!"
grave portal
Picture my friend sent me. Thought it might interest you guys
cerulean creek
Iran is like a 4 year old child.
They do something to piss you off but they are to young and to weak to retaliate against so you just have to sit there and try to ground them while they kick and scream for 3 hours to get what they want.
topaz pulsar
Not to get too political but I can totally see our current administration retaliating just to keep their pride intact
sleek wolf
@grave portal i heard tbat our missile strikes came first
shut dust
meh, people are people nobody is ok with the perception of losing even if they are winning in the process
grave portal
We’d missile strike only when Iran did something wrong. Give me a date of when we striked “first”
edgy siren
sleek wolf
True
rustic ravine
Awesome morning, shit is happening
shut dust
personally i feel bad for the individual involved versus the governments themselves. i have friends in the military and them getting deployed terrifies me
cerulean creek
@sleek wolf Next month I ship out to basic training
sleek wolf
Ayy where at shnelly?
cerulean creek
Texas
grave portal
America be prepared for dealing with American ROEs and being given cheap equipment
karmic ether
I failed basic lol
cerulean creek
usaf
rustic ravine
Shnellya, shnellya!
sleek wolf
Ayyy
shut dust
@sleek wolf if your turning 18 in 6 months. wait, all my friends who have gotten out of the military regret not waiting as it really screwed them over because they didnt get the benefits they deserved
sleek wolf
Keep our boys safe shnelly
cerulean creek
Nothing important lol
cerulean creek
Tactical Aircraft Maintenance
shut dust
DEP?
cerulean creek
Delayed Entry Program
sleek wolf
Delayed entry program
shut dust
ah
sleek wolf
United states marine corps
shut dust
best of luck to both of you
karmic ether
indeed
cerulean creek
thanks
sleek wolf
Thanks
ebon walrus
Thanks
karmic ether
lol
grave portal
So if Afghanistan is currently friendly to America would that mean those stationed inAfghanistan would cross borders into Iran? And would the Afghani Army help?
sleek wolf
Sometimes i let myself go
karmic ether
mmmmm
shut dust
@cerulean creek @sleek wolf ask a shitton of questions constantly. you never know whats gonna be useful in the future
native sable
It doesn’t really work like world conquest in reality. @sleek wolf You don’t cross a border, make a frontier base, and start sending logi.
ebon walrus
Actually thats kinda what you can do
grave portal
Did u mean to @ me?
cerulean creek
America, did you sign the contract yet for a job or are you still waiting?
grave portal
Yes but my main question is would we use Afghanistan as a staging post and would the Afghani’s help?
sleek wolf
I signed for field artillery but no word has came up yet on if i got it lr not
cerulean creek
If Afghanistan lets us attack Iran through their country they might as well also be at war with Iran
native sable
Well.... It’s kinda on the other side of a mountain range...
topaz pulsar
The ANA already has their hands full with, well, afghanistan
sleek wolf
Thanks!
shut dust
@grave portal they would "help" in the sense that money would probably be paid and they would put in the minimal effort to fufil it
sleek wolf
What did you sign for shnelly
grave portal
So we have Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan and I believe turkey(their in NATO right?) to invade from. so am I clear to make memes about NATO mujahideen invading Iran
cerulean creek
Tactical Aircraft Maintenance @sleek wolf
topaz pulsar
we're on shaky ground with Turkey right now
summer glacier
This guy be playing hoi4
sleek wolf
Aye good to hear, good luck in basic
karmic ether
@sleek wolf what's your plan? Is amarica going to war or no?
cerulean creek
Imagine being at war with Maybars country pie
karmic ether
Turku kinda vibin tho?
grave portal
Turkeys in a civil war. It’s got better thing to do
ebon walrus
Iran is playing HoI5 world takeover run
grave portal
Didn’t we leave and Russia take them?
karmic ether
what
pure ember
No
topaz pulsar
We're not going to war with Turkey any time soon but I don't expect any favors from them
karmic ether
are you confusing turkey for syria?
grave portal
Oh the civil war is over?
karmic ether
kommisar your thinking of syria
cerulean creek
@pure ember Are you in western or eastern Turkey?
pure ember
We just bought S-400 because USA refused to sell us Patriots and then wanted us to buy patriots when we were buying S-400s
topaz pulsar
Turkey had a failed coup a couple years back if that's what you're thinking of
pure ember
grave portal
No turkey it borders Iran and is in NATO
shut dust
turkey would help, they dont like the US but they definatly dont wanna be annexed
pure ember
@cerulean creek Southern
karmic ether
maybar is turkey get it right
pure ember
Actually southwest
cerulean creek
That's good
native sable
What’s turkeys stance In Iran/Iraq by the way maybar,
ebon walrus
Turkey-US relations are hella sketch
native sable
“Don’t get us involved” I’d assume
ebon walrus
The whole thing with the Kurds didnt help
karmic ether
No its Canadian
grave portal
Poor Kurds. When we invade Iran can we them atleast the small portion they want?
ebon walrus
But USexit sounds better
cerulean creek
What would happen on the internet if we went to war with say Turkey? Would the governments ban communication?
karmic ether
Bubba look it up broskif
ebon walrus
No
native sable
Yes. Make another Israel. What can go wrong.
pure ember
@native sable Our PM was wanting the tension to go down
native sable
Put it on the Suni and Shia backdoor.
pure ember
But he's somewhat neutral
grave portal
Let’s add more gasoline to the already bonfire known as the Middle East. It’ll be fun guys!
topaz pulsar
Iran is a hard country to invade conventionally
ebon walrus
I mean the Middle East fire feeds itself
grave portal
So let’s do our contribution
summer glacier
Iran is also a fully funcional and working country
native sable
I like that me and the Iranian dictator are on the same page about things.
karmic ether
Basically Wexit is this:
https://youtu.be/UMd7sjKMmsQ
If y'all interested, you seem focused on iran n shid
ebon walrus
Shooting missiles at oil tankers is kinda dumb
grave portal
It’s NATO tankers.
pure ember
North Korea junior
native sable
It was squad locked!
ebon walrus
Lol
grave portal
Did the tankers come from Iran? Or another country?
karmic ether
I didn't mean to nuke our own town, some fucker squad locked my truck so i nuked it
ebon walrus
Someone squad locked Jade
ebon walrus
Ok bomber
shut dust
@karmic ether probably just weighing options
in a "how do we not go to war" kinda mentality
karmic ether
Yeah
grave portal
We won’t invade. To many people in government still believe in diplomacy. Plus the missile strike isn’t new. We’ve been back and forth striking each other for awhile now
native sable
An it’s a very easy war to dodge. As i said, this was anticipatable
shut dust
meh, one thing i have learn in life is if you dont have all the info available your probably gonna make the wrong assumptions
native sable
If you killed a top official, you get a consequence.
ebon walrus
Irans just gonna keep being aggressive no matter what happens
kind birch
watcha doooin
shut dust
@edgy siren download more RAM and it will do it for u
ebon walrus
When has Iran not been aggressive af
pure ember
@edgy siren Whatcha need
native sable
When we had a nuclear deal that restricted them from having fissile material they where fairly chill...
edgy siren
I need an alarm for my phone, and these alarms are annoying. So I want a more annoying alarm
ebon walrus
Imagine Iran following the nuclear deal lol
edgy siren
pure ember
@edgy siren 1 minute is okay?
edgy siren
Ye
karmic ether
does anyone know the tech timer website ?
edgy siren
@pure ember love you
pure ember
Heres all of it
❤️
Tbh I would suggest more comfortable alarm though @edgy siren
It makes you wake up nicer
pure ember
Blaring alarm just keeps making you angry especially in the mornings lmao
safe prawn
You ready to hear something serious but ironic
The missile strike on Al Assad Base only hit the Iraqi sections, they literally missed their entire target of killing US Forces
topaz pulsar
^ this was possibly deliberate on Iran's part to not escalate the situation
It's possible they wanted to hit the base, not the personnel
sleek wolf
Either way they attacked a us base
topaz pulsar
And we do know Iran has decent precision-strike abilities
topaz pulsar
they didn't cause any casualties at all, Iraqi or American, so it's pretty likely they did that deliberately
silver urchin
i think its pretty interesting that more people die in stampedes for the iranian commanders funeral than this supposed retaliation
edgy siren
sleek wolf
I think they missed
silver urchin
tfw cant even organize national events without causing 50+ deaths of civilians but still wanna fight a world power
sleek wolf
topaz pulsar
My interpretation of this is that they launched the missiles at the base used to kill Soleimani to satisfy their population's desire for revenge but purposefully didn't cause any casualties to avoid further complications with the US
shut dust
i think its both, they missed and just went with it
sleek wolf
Prob most reasonable
topaz pulsar
the thing is they had the ability to target specifically troops stationed on the base
sleek wolf
Our doctrin in the middle east is dont shoot unless shot at
Our troops could theoretically shoot back
shut dust
yea but they are a lot smarter than just shooting back without informing the chain of command they are apart of
karmic ether
night dune
Missiles are the least of the worries here. It's the proxies that Iran apparently controls.
karmic ether
I didn’t even know Iran existed tbh
Like when someone said Iran what came to mind was maybe a small Middle Eastern holiday destination or something
amber pilot
plain mountain
lol
amber pilot
slate barn
junior mortar
is this self advertising
karmic ether
abstract furnace
maiden fern
terse flower
deft ridge
good image
terse flower
I honestly miss some of the groups I was in
Back when the groups part of rocucks was good and not horse shit
deft ridge
the tragic state of war groups
terse flower
I fucking remember that one time I forced the IOM to raid raider dawn for six hours
In my most autistic moment we gained victory
deft ridge
glorious
terse flower
What was your favourite group before the big oof
Mine was easily IOM, those bois pulled me out of suicidal depression
deft ridge
idk man out of all war groups GAR felt most at home
terse flower
Do you remember when GAR had that wooden stick house looking over the whole map
And the SF fucks took it over and called it the Kool kids klub?
deft ridge
Mustve missed that
terse flower
That was in 2013
deft ridge
yeah i wasnt all that active early on
stone stump
I used to be in TGE
terse flower
TGE first cycle was ok
Everything Sonagod has done past that is dumb
He literally closes groups to start new groups
And before that new group can even start, he'll close it to start a new one
Say he quits the platform again then comes back like a month later and repeats the process
The only difference now is he's gone from making 10K part morphs to 10K poly morphs
abstract furnace
.....
rare crypt
near jewel
No worries. I am sure it will be fun.
edgy siren
winged tundra
Shhh, they need time to make all the draft letters, pal.
edgy siren
near jewel
"Good" thing I won't get "A" category.
edgy siren
🅱️
near jewel
MayB.
winged tundra
Stop.
near jewel
K.
pseudo spire
Inb4 Iran has developed a metal gear
winged tundra
Inb4 America has a weapon to surpass the metal gear. Or some other nation iunno
near jewel
Inb4 people wondering why war won't start in Sarajevo?
winged tundra
oh shut up igor
edgy siren
Inb4 mods watch the channel
near jewel
I am sorry @winged tundra.
I have low empathy level and I don't think too much before jokes that might be hurtful.
winged tundra
That didn't hurt me, there's already a war in Sarajevo lol
edgy siren
winged tundra
We call it Ali-Pašino Polje.
near jewel
Can you translate?
edgy siren
You just making an inside joke or something?
near jewel
Yes we are.
winged tundra
Perhaps.
edgy siren
winged tundra
shut
near jewel
Wanna get inside, Loxen?
edgy siren
Nah
winged tundra
the fuck
deft ridge
🤡
prime crest
lol
near jewel
Inside the inside joke.
winged tundra
dude we're not going to Detroit of Sarajevo alright
near jewel
How do you call boomers in you country?
We call them "Dziady" which is derogatory term meaning old grandpa.
edgy siren
Ok boomer
winged tundra
Not sure, I just call my boomer "starac", which means old man, or old gramps.
So basically the same as in Poland.
edgy siren
Gramps could be considered rude in America
winged tundra
Gramps, y'got cramps?
edgy siren
It depends
winged tundra
wait
near jewel
Boomer are good laugh sometimes.
But then I cry when I realize my grandparents are boomers and don't want to realize what really is happening.
edgy siren
Is that you in your Pfp?
near jewel
No. That's Polish half meme politician.
Grzegorz Braun. Ultra Catholic that hijacks right wing electorate from main socialist party.
I am a Zoomer/Doomer.
edgy siren
Alright
raw birch
This war is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legend?
edgy siren
winged tundra
Yes.
near jewel
Everything is.
raw birch
I`m not sponsored by Raid Shadow Legend.
near jewel
They even sponsored last two big wars.
raw birch
sob
winged tundra
Yer doormat's sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legend!
near jewel
Can you rate aesthetics of this vehicle in scale from 1 to 10?
raw birch
6
chrome flower
Solid 8
winged tundra
7.5
near jewel
I just adore hungarian tank design.
winged tundra
Interwar sprinkle needed?
near jewel
Why not?
raw birch
It looks like retarded cousin of Tetrarch
near jewel
Inb4 implying Tetrach wasn't retarded.
Jk.
raw birch
Tetrach can be dropped with glider
This thing... Eh
Tetrach get points for Death from Above
pseudo spire
Is also fast
near jewel
deft ridge
im more of a 38(t) person
chrome flower
You mean LT vz.38
near jewel
raw birch
This is jap tank, so -10
deft ridge
meh, the germans used the tank more than the czech did lol
raw birch
Germans used czech more than czech used themselves
near jewel
@raw birch
Wack. It's British.
And it's from alternathistory.com
chrome flower
@deft ridge Shut up... i know but i would like to imply that its a Czech design